The results of the referendums were not officially recognised by any government, including those
of
Ukraine, the
United States, the countries of the
European Union,
and Russia.[3]Germany and the United
States stated that the referendums had "no democratic legitimacy",[4][5]
while the Russian government expressed "respect" for the results and urged a "civilised"
implementation.[6][7]
That was the second serious political setback of junta and it essentially pre-determined start of
civil war in Ukraine. I suspect that initial organizers of the process were Donetsk oligarchs. They
wanted better cards to play with junta for political influence in "after-Yanukovich" card game, were
their positions were substantially undermined. But enterprises still paid taxes in Kiev. The public
order was watched by Kiev-controlled police. Management decisions were taken by Kyiv administration.
Donbass certainly was not similar to the Crimea. Here are much stronger dominated "my house is
the last in the raw" mentality, political passivity and desire to go with the flow. At the same time
the level of discontent with the economic and political situation was no less high than in Kiev or
any other region of Ukraine. It's like salt solution which is too saturated and then cooled. Or like
in opening soda bottle. The majority of the population were not ready to go anywhere, and definitely
not for any independence from Ukraine. they have very modest demands that were extremely easy to
satisfy.
The second problem was slipping of Kiev in the direction of Banderastan instead of the
direction toward the EU with its strong anti-nationalism stance. With resulting suppression of
Russian language, and relegating of people of South-East to second class citizens, deprived of fair
political representation were the straw that broke the camel back. In February - March
of 2014 it was enough for junta to promise the Donbass same autonomy along the lines of what Crimea
was granted before and the whole revolt in Donbass would never happen. But junta categorically
refused. Ukrainian far right look at events in Donbass as an insult to their total and indisputable
victory in Kiev, the view that have determined the political consequences of this situation. As a
result riots at the Donbass from minor discontent with the suppression of Russian language, level of
corruption and domination of Western Ukraine in junta became "us against them" struggle. We against
fascists in Kiev. In other words Kiev junta became synonym with fascists... As such Donbass has no
other option then to become anti-fascist. This was enough to start a civil war, somewhat similar to
Spanish civil was with the same geopolitical players (Us and GB this time changed sides and Poland
played the role of Italy under Mussolini), especially taking into account severe incompetence of
Turchinov-Yatsenyuk duo and their complete subservience to Washington Obcom. Which was even
more incompetent and jingoistic then they were. Or may this was the plan because Ukraine in
any case is just a pawn in complex geopolitical games of Washington. And they do not care
about total destruction of a region or a country as a result of civil war. Not one bit.
This "us vs they" mentality created a situation in which Kiev wanted only an unconditional
victory. From this point there were just two scenarios for the ivents; either the junta will
suppress the rebellion in the South-East, even at the cost of enormous blood and destruction of
infrastructure, or separatists finally separates from the Ukraine, and go their own way.
It is important to note, at the time of the national referendum, the overwhelming majority of the
DND and LNR did not vote for one or the other form complete independence from Kiev. They voted
primarily against Kiev and fascism. And, let's be honest, the lion's share of the population
in no way wanted to join the Russian Federation. Which was quite different from Crimea. But
they did want to be under iron hill of storm troopers from Kiev, iether.
That create demand for armed resistance. As a result warlords started to appear. Volunteers from
Russia started to flow. Among them Igor Strelkov. Warlords were both outsiders, and local. With a
variety of ideas about political future of the Donbass and Lygansk. In the majority of cases, with
no clear views but clear rejection of Kiev junta. They were all united only by a common goal
of stopping the Ukrainian fascism. The task was to fight back, to resist and to prove Donbass right
to decide how to live. It has become many times more important than determining the political future
of the region. Because Kiev threw troops to the South-East conveniently naming it
"counter-terrorist" operation. With warplanes, Grad multiple launchers and indiscriminate
destruction of infrastructure. As a result civil war has began. Initial encounters in Mariupol was
such the local did not even has weapons. Angry residents purely on emotions "expelled" junta troops
from the city (see Mariupol killings). Real bloody war
started a little later.
The regime has repeatedly carried out artillery and air attacks on city centers, creating
a humanitarian catastrophe—which is all but ignored by the US political-media establishment.
For weeks, the US-backed regime in Kiev has been committing atrocities against its own citizens
in southeastern Ukraine, regions heavily populated by Russian-speaking Ukrainians and ethnic
Russians. While victimizing a growing number of innocent people, including children, and degrading
America’s reputation, these military assaults on cities, captured on video, are generating pressure
in Russia on President Vladimir Putin to “save our compatriots.”
The reaction of the Obama administration—as well as the new cold-war hawks in Congress and
in the establishment media—has been twofold: silence interrupted only by occasional statements
excusing and thus encouraging more atrocities by Kiev. Very few Americans (notably, the independent
scholar Gordon Hahn) have protested this shameful complicity. We may honorably disagree about
the causes and resolution of the Ukrainian crisis, the worst US-Russian confrontation in decades,
but not about deeds that are rising to the level of war crimes, if they have not already done
so.
* * *
In mid-April, the new Kiev government, predominantly western Ukrainian in composition and
outlook, declared an “anti-terrorist operation” against a growing political rebellion in the
Southeast. At that time, the rebels were mostly mimicking the initial Maidan protests in Kiev
in 2013—demonstrating, issuing defiant proclamations, occupying public buildings and erecting
defensive barricades—before Maidan turned ragingly violent and, in February, overthrew Ukraine’s
corrupt but legitimately elected president, Viktor Yanukovych. (The entire Maidan episode, it
will be recalled, had Washington’s enthusiastic political, and perhaps more tangible, support.)
Indeed, the precedent for seizing official buildings and demanding the allegiance of local authorities
had been set even earlier, in January, in western Ukraine—by pro-Maidan, anti-Yanukovych protesters,
some declaring “independence” from his government.
Considering those preceding events, but above all the country’s profound historical divisions,
particularly between its western and eastern regions—ethnic, linguistic, religious, cultural,
economic and political—the rebellion in the southeast, centered in the industrial Donbass, was
not surprising. Nor were its protests against the unconstitutional way (in effect, a coup) the
new government had come to power, the southeast’s sudden loss of effective political representation
in the capital and the real prospect of official discrimination. But by declaring an “anti-terrorist
operation” against the new protesters, Kiev signaled its intention to “destroy” them, not negotiate
with them.
On May 2, in this incendiary atmosphere, a horrific event occurred in the southern city of
Odessa, awakening memories of Nazi German extermination squads in Ukraine and other Soviet republics
during World War II. An organized pro-Kiev mob chased protesters into a building, set it on
fire and tried to block the exits. Some forty people, perhaps many more, perished in the flames
or were murdered as they fled the inferno. A still unknown number of other victims were seriously
injured.
Members of the infamous Right Sector, a far-right paramilitary organization ideologically
aligned with the ultranationalist Svoboda party, itself a constituent part of Kiev’s coalition
government, led the mob. Both are frequently characterized by knowledgeable observers as “neo-fascist”
movements. (Hateful ethnic chants by the mob were audible, and swastika-like symbols were found
on the scorched building.) Kiev alleged that the victims had themselves accidentally started
the fire, but eyewitnesses, television footage and social media videos told the true story,
as they have about subsequent atrocities.
Instead of interpreting the Odessa massacre as an imperative for restraint, Kiev intensified
its “anti-terrorist operation.” Since May, the regime has sent a growing number of armored personnel
carriers, tanks, artillery, helicopter gunships and warplanes to southeastern cities, among
them, Slovyansk (Slavyansk in Russian), Mariupol, Krasnoarmeisk, Kramatorsk, Donetsk and Luhansk
(Lugansk in Russian). When its regular military units and local police forces turned out to
be less than effective, willing or loyal, Kiev hastily mobilized Right Sector and other radical
nationalist militias responsible for much of the violence at Maidan into a National Guard to
accompany regular detachments—partly to reinforce them, partly, it seems, to enforce Kiev’s
commands. Zealous, barely trained and drawn mostly from central and western regions, Kiev’s
new recruits have reportedly escalated the ethnic warfare and killing of innocent civilians.
(Episodes described as “massacres” soon also occurred in Mariupol and Kramatorsk.)
Americans have grown understandably weary of foreign entanglements over the last 12 years
of open-ended warfare, and they are now more receptive to a noninterventionist message than
they have been in decades. According to a recent Pew survey, 52 percent of Americans now prefer
that the U.S. “mind its own business in international affairs,” which represents the most support
for a restrained and modest foreign policy in the last 50 years. That presents a challenge and
an opportunity for noninterventionists to articulate a coherent and positive case for what a
foreign policy of peace and prudence would mean in practice. As useful and necessary as critiquing
dangerous ideas may be, noninterventionism will remain a marginal, dissenting position in policymaking
unless its advocates explain in detail how their alternative foreign policy would be conducted.
A noninterventionist foreign policy would first of all require a moratorium on new foreign
entanglements and commitments for the foreseeable future. A careful reevaluation of where the
U.S. has vital interests at stake would follow. There are relatively few places where the U.S.
has truly vital concerns that directly affect our security and prosperity, and the ambition
and scale of our foreign policy should reflect that. A noninterventionist U.S. would conduct
itself like a normal country without pretensions to global “leadership” or the temptation of
a proselytizing mission. This is a foreign policy more in line with what the American people
will accept and less likely to provoke violent resentment from overseas, and it is therefore
more sustainable and affordable over the long term.
When a conflict or dispute erupts somewhere, unless it directly threatens the security of
America or our treaty allies, the assumption should be that it is not the business of the U.S.
government to take a leading role in resolving it. If a government requests aid in the event
of a natural disaster or humanitarian crisis (e.g., famine, disease), as Haiti did following
its devastating earthquake in 2010, the U.S. can and should lend assistance—but as a general
rule the U.S. should not seek to interfere in other nations’ domestic circumstances.
... ... ...
The U.S. would also refuse to take sides in the internal quarrels of other countries. The sovereignty
of other states would be respected much more consistently than in past decades. The U.S. would
refrain from destabilizing foreign governments or aiding in their overthrow, and it would not
make a habit of siding with whichever protest movement happened to be in the streets of a foreign
capital. Likewise, it would refrain from propping up and subsidizing abusive and dictatorial
regimes and would condition U.S. aid on how a government treats its people. While there may
be a need to cooperate with authoritarian states on certain issues, governments that torture
or violently suppress peaceful protests, including the current Egyptian government, shouldn’t
be supported in any way by American taxpayers.
War might be necessary at some point, but if
so it would be waged only in self-defense or the defense of a treaty ally. A noninterventionist
U.S. would never wage a preventive war— which is contrary both to international law and morality—and
would generally be wary of using force even when it could be justified. The U.S. should always
avoid giving allies and clients the impression that they have a blank check from Washington,
since that will tend to make them more combative and unreasonable in disputes with their neighbors.
Allies and clients that wanted to pursue reckless and provocative courses of action would be
actively discouraged, and it would be the responsibility of the U.S. to pull these states back
from avoidable conflicts. A noninterventionist U.S. would manage relations with other major
powers by seeking to cooperate on matters of common interest and by avoiding unnecessary disagreements
on those issues where the U.S. has relatively little at stake. The U.S. and other major powers
are bound to have conflicting interests from time to time, but these unavoidable disagreements
shouldn’t be compounded by picking fights over every issue where we differ. As long as the U.S.
has allies on the borders of other major powers, there will always be a certain degree of mistrust
and tension in our relations. However, the U.S. shouldn’t make this worse by seeking to enlarge
our alliances or increase our influence in countries that have historically been in the orbit
of another major power. The goal here should be to keep tensions with other major powers at
a tolerable minimum and to reduce the possibility of renewed great power conflict in the new
century.
As George Washington also said: “In the execution of such a plan, nothing is more essential
than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments
for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards
all should be cultivated.” For that reason, a noninterventionist U.S. would be one that doesn’t
seek to demagogue or exaggerate foreign threats, nor would it cultivate either hostility towards
or adoration of any other country. Above all, it won’t seek to make the U.S. the champion of
any other country’s interests at our expense.
Noninterventionism is a rather clunky and unappealing label for a set of very appealing ideas:
that the U.S. should mind its own business, act with restraint, respect other nations, refrain
from unnecessary violence, and pursue peace. If future administrations took just a few of these
as guiding principles for the conduct of foreign policy, America and the world would both be
better off.
Senior editor Daniel Larison blogs at TheAmericanConservative.com/Larison.
First, I have to explain the title: "A scorecard for US war on Russia": what we are witnessing
today is beyond any doubt a US war on Russia, except that it that is is neither quite "cold"
nor "hot": it's tepid, lukewarm. Not for the people dying of course, but by it's choice
of methods. It is not a Cold War because people are dying, because tanks, artillery and
airpower is being used on a daily basis now, but it is not a Hot War either, because while people
in the Ukraine are being killed, the real target of this war is, of course, Russia. In
other words, this is not a Russian-Ukrainian war, nor is it a US-Ukrainian war, it is a US-Russian
war, fought in the Ukraine with "Hot War" methods, but whose real target are not the murdered
people in the Ukraine but Russia as a country and a civilizational project. I think that
it is crucial to state that to make a correct analysis of what is going on.
“I am convinced that the most essential partner for the American national security in
all of these areas from Iran to Syria, Afghanistan and beyond is the Kremlin, currently occupied
by Putin. And the way the United States has treated Putin – I would call it a betrayal of American
national interest.”
As a contributing author to the pre-nomination book by Webster Tarpley, “Obama: The Postmodern
Coup — The Making of a Manchurian Candidate,” I am uniquely disappointed to watch that book’s
warning — that the election of Barack Obama would lead the world to war against Russia and China
— unfolding in our present time.
The fact of the matter is that President Putin, Russia and China are not threats to the United
States, but that we have become a threat to ourselves. In a betrayal of our own national mission,
we have adopted the economic program of our enemy, British “free trade,” monetarism and militarism,
and rejected the American system of political economy (to use Henry Clay’s term) of internal
improvements, and protection of agriculture and industry.
The threat Russia and China pose is not to the people of the United States, but to our bankrupt
financial system, typified by Wall Street, which has hijacked our national economic policy,
our political parties and our major media organs. In writing “Obama: The Postmodern Coup,” we
knew that a financial crisis triggered by the collapse of a quadrillion dollar derivatives bubble
was looming, and that Wall Street would push a candidate to serve its desperate interests, and
not a true national leader in the mold of FDR or JFK we sorely need.
Poroshenko proved to be an average, clueless, jingoistic politician, more akin to US marionette
that to a person who managed to amass huge fortune. Quote "Rich middle-aged people who will never
have to do any actual fighting themselves are always the most belligerent." "All the war-propaganda,
all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting." -George
Orwell. "Yes here's an example of US and EU Doublethink: Assad bombs his own people. He is a very
bad man; Poroshenko bombs his own people. He is a very good man.
Rich middle-aged people who will never have to do any actual fighting themselves are
always the most belligerent.
ocixem2 dawkinsbulldog
"All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from
people who are not fighting." -George Orwell
wellbeingb4dolla ocixem2
Yes here's an example of US and EU Doublethink
Assad bombs his own people. He is a very bad man
Poroshenko bombs his own people. He is a very good man.
Babeouf,07 June 2014 11:17am
The Chocolate Soldier speech is just a restatement of the previous regimes reasons for
their war on the East. It offers 'Peace' if the rebels in the East surrender. Now perhaps
this is just a negotiating position. But if the attacks by the Ukrainian military on
the rebels continue then this is evidence that a negotiated peace is not the aim but victory
is . And perhaps a Chocolate Soldier is likely to find this illusory idea of victory initially
attractive.
adognow -> Babeouf,07 June 2014 12:05pm
Naturally, Poroshenko and his coup lackeys find it difficult to defeat the eastern Ukrainian
militia on the field of battle, so he's resorting to demands of surrender.
Which is patently stupid. Why would the eastern Ukrainians surrender and be at the
mercy of the Ukrainian junta's rightwing paramilitaries?
"Plunderers of the world, when nothing remains on the lands to which they have laid waste
by wanton thievery, they search out across the seas. The wealth of another region excites their
greed; and if it is weak, their lust for power.
Nothing from the rising to the setting of the sun is enough for them. Among all others only
they are compelled to attack the poor as well as the rich. Robbery, rape, and slaughter they
falsely call empire; and where they create a desolate wasteland, they call it peace."
The regime has repeatedly carried out artillery and air attacks on city centers, creating
a humanitarian catastrophe-which is all but ignored by the US political-media establishment.
For weeks, the US-backed regime in Kiev has been committing atrocities against its own citizens
in southeastern Ukraine, regions heavily populated by Russian-speaking Ukrainians and ethnic Russians.
While victimizing a growing number of innocent people, including children, and degrading America's
reputation, these military assaults on cities, captured on video, are generating pressure in Russia
on President Vladimir Putin to "save our compatriots."
The reaction of the Obama administration-as well as the new cold-war hawks in Congress and in
the establishment media-has been twofold: silence interrupted only by occasional statements excusing
and thus encouraging more atrocities by Kiev. Very few Americans (notably, the independent scholar
Gordon Hahn) have protested this shameful complicity. We may honorably disagree about the causes
and resolution of the Ukrainian crisis, the worst US-Russian confrontation in decades, but not about
deeds that are rising to the level of war crimes, if they have not already done so.
* * *
In mid-April, the new Kiev government, predominantly western Ukrainian in composition and outlook,
declared an "anti-terrorist operation" against a growing political rebellion in the Southeast. At
that time, the rebels were mostly mimicking the initial Maidan protests in Kiev in 2013-demonstrating,
issuing defiant proclamations, occupying public buildings and erecting defensive barricades-before
Maidan turned ragingly violent and, in February, overthrew Ukraine's corrupt but legitimately elected
president, Viktor Yanukovych. (The entire Maidan episode, it will be recalled, had Washington's
enthusiastic political, and perhaps more tangible, support.) Indeed, the precedent for seizing official
buildings and demanding the allegiance of local authorities had been set even earlier, in January,
in western Ukraine-by pro-Maidan, anti-Yanukovych protesters, some declaring "independence" from
his government.
Considering those preceding events, but above all the country's profound historical divisions,
particularly between its western and eastern regions-ethnic, linguistic, religious, cultural, economic
and political-the rebellion in the southeast, centered in the industrial Donbass, was not surprising.
Nor were its protests against the unconstitutional way (in effect, a coup) the new government had
come to power, the southeast's sudden loss of effective political representation in the capital
and the real prospect of official discrimination. But by declaring an "anti-terrorist operation"
against the new protesters, Kiev signaled its intention to "destroy" them, not negotiate with them.
On May 2, in this incendiary atmosphere, a horrific event occurred in the southern city of Odessa,
awakening memories of Nazi German extermination squads in Ukraine and other Soviet republics during
World War II. An organized pro-Kiev mob chased protesters into a building, set it on fire and tried
to block the exits. Some forty people, perhaps many more, perished in the flames or were murdered
as they fled the inferno. A still unknown number of other victims were seriously injured.
Members of the infamous Right Sector, a far-right paramilitary organization ideologically aligned
with the ultranationalist Svoboda party, itself a constituent part of Kiev's coalition government,
led the mob. Both are frequently characterized by knowledgeable observers as "neo-fascist" movements.
(Hateful ethnic chants by the mob were audible, and swastika-like symbols were found on the scorched
building.) Kiev alleged that the victims had themselves accidentally started the fire, but eyewitnesses,
television footage and social media videos told the true story, as they have about subsequent atrocities.
Instead of interpreting the Odessa massacre as an imperative for restraint, Kiev intensified
its "anti-terrorist operation." Since May, the regime has sent a growing number of armored personnel
carriers, tanks, artillery, helicopter gunships and warplanes to southeastern cities, among them,
Slovyansk (Slavyansk in Russian), Mariupol, Krasnoarmeisk, Kramatorsk, Donetsk and Luhansk (Lugansk
in Russian). When its regular military units and local police forces turned out to be less than
effective, willing or loyal, Kiev hastily mobilized Right Sector and other radical nationalist militias
responsible for much of the violence at Maidan into a National Guard to accompany regular detachments-partly
to reinforce them, partly, it seems, to enforce Kiev's commands. Zealous, barely trained and drawn
mostly from central and western regions, Kiev's new recruits have reportedly escalated the ethnic
warfare and killing of innocent civilians. (Episodes described as "massacres" soon also occurred
in Mariupol and Kramatorsk.)
Initially, the "anti-terrorist" campaign was limited primarily, though not only, to rebel checkpoints
on the outskirts of cities. Since May, however, Kiev has repeatedly carried out artillery and air
attacks on city centers that have struck residential buildings, shopping malls, parks, schools,
kindergartens and hospitals, particularly in Slovyansk and Luhansk. More and more urban areas, neighboring
towns and even villages now look and sound like war zones, with telltale rubble, destroyed and pockmarked
buildings, mangled vehicles, the dead and wounded in streets, wailing mourners and crying children.
Conflicting information from Kiev, local resistance leaders and Moscow make it impossible to estimate
the number of dead and wounded noncombatants-certainly hundreds. The number continues to grow due
also to Kiev's blockade of cities where essential medicines, food, water, fuel and electricity are
scarce, and where wages and pensions are often no longer being paid. The result is an emerging humanitarian
catastrophe.
Another effect is clear. Kiev's "anti-terrorist" tactics have created a reign of terror in the
targeted cities. Panicked by shells and mortars exploding on the ground, menacing helicopters and
planes flying above and fear of what may come next, families are seeking sanctuary in basements
and other darkened shelters. Even The New York Times, which like the mainstream American
media generally has deleted the atrocities from its coverage, described survivors in Slovyansk "as
if living in the Middle Ages." Meanwhile, an ever-growing number of refugees, disproportionately
women and traumatized children, have been fleeing across the border into Russia. In late June, the
UN estimated that as many as 110,000 Ukrainians had already fled to Russia and about half that many
to other Ukrainian sanctuaries.
It is true, of course, that anti-Kiev rebels in these regions are increasingly well-armed (though
lacking the government's arsenal of heavy and airborne weapons), organized and aggressive, no doubt
with some Russian assistance, whether officially sanctioned or not. But calling themselves "self-defense"
fighters is not wrong. They did not begin the combat; their land is being invaded and assaulted
by a government whose political legitimacy is arguably no greater than their own, two of their large
regions having voted overwhelmingly for autonomy referenda; and, unlike actual terrorists, they
have not committed acts of war outside their own communities. The French adage suggested by an American
observer seems applicable: "This animal is very dangerous. If attacked, it defends itself."
* * *
Among the crucial questions rarely discussed in the US political-media establishment: What is
the role of the "neo-fascist" factor in Kiev's "anti-terrorist" ideology and military operations?
Putin's position, at least until recently-that the entire Ukrainian government is a "neo-fascist
junta"-is incorrect. Many members of the ruling coalition and its parliamentary majority are aspiring
European-style democrats or moderate nationalists. This may also be true of Ukraine's newly elected
president, the oligarch Petro Poroshenko. Equally untrue, however, are claims by Kiev's American
apologists, including even some academics and liberal intellectuals, that Ukraine's neo-fascists-or
perhaps quasi-fascists-are merely agitated nationalists, "garden-variety Euro-populists," a "distraction"
or lack enough popular support to be significant.
Independent Western scholars have documented the fascist origins, contemporary ideology and declarative
symbols of Svoboda and its fellow-traveling Right Sector. Both movements glorify Ukraine's murderous
Nazi collaborators in World War II as inspirational ancestors. Both, to quote Svoboda's leader Oleh
Tyahnybok, call for an ethnically pure nation purged of the "Moscow-Jewish mafia" and "other scum,"
including homosexuals, feminists and political leftists. And both hailed the Odessa massacre. According
to the website of Right Sector leader Dmytro Yarosh, it was "another bright day in our national
history." A Svoboda parliamentary deputy added, "Bravo, Odessa…. Let the Devils burn in hell." If
more evidence is needed, in December 2012, the European Parliament decried Svoboda's "racist, anti-Semitic
and xenophobic views [that] go against the EU's fundamental values and principles." In 2013, the
World Jewish Congress denounced Svoboda as "neo-Nazi." Still worse, observers agree that Right Sector
is even more extremist.
Nor do electoral results tell the story. Tyahnybok and Yarosh together received less than 2 percent
of the June presidential vote, but historians know that in traumatic times, when, to recall Yeats,
"the center cannot hold," small, determined movements can seize the moment, as did Lenin's Bolsheviks
and Hitler's Nazis. Indeed, Svoboda and Right Sector already command power and influence far exceeding
their popular vote. "Moderates" in the US-backed Kiev government, obliged to both movements for
their violence-driven ascent to power, and perhaps for their personal safety, rewarded Svoboda and
Right Sector with some five to eight (depending on shifting affiliations) top ministry positions,
including ones overseeing national security, military, prosecutorial and educational affairs. Still
more, according to the research of
Pietro Shakarian,
a remarkable young graduate student at the University of Michigan, Svoboda was given five governorships,
covering about 20 percent of the country. And this does not take into account the role of Right
Sector in the "anti-terrorist operation."
Nor does it consider the political mainstreaming of fascism's dehumanizing ethos. In December
2012, a Svoboda parliamentary leader anathematized the Ukrainian-born American actress Mila Kunis
as "a dirty kike." Since 2013, pro-Kiev mobs and militias have routinely denigrated ethnic Russians
as insects ("Colorado beetles," whose colors resemble a sacred Russia ornament). More recently,
the US-picked prime minister, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, referred to resisters in the Southeast as "subhumans."
His defense minister proposed putting them in "filtration camps," pending deportation, and raising
fears of ethnic cleansing. Yulia Tymoshenko-a former prime minister, titular head of Yatsenyuk's
party and runner-up in the May presidential election-was overheard wishing she could "exterminate
them all [Ukrainian Russians] with atomic weapons." "Sterilization" is among the less apocalyptic
official musings on the pursuit of a purified Ukraine.
Confronted with such facts, Kiev's American apologists have conjured up another rationalization.
Any neo-fascists in Ukraine, they assure us, are far less dangerous than Putinism's "clear aspects
of fascism." The allegation is unworthy of serious analysis: however authoritarian Putin may be,
there is nothing authentically fascist in his rulership, policies, state ideology or personal conduct.
Indeed, equating Putin with Hitler, as eminent Americans from Hillary Clinton and Zbigniew Brzezinski
to George Will have done, is another example of how our new cold warriors are recklessly damaging
US national security in vital areas where Putin's cooperation is essential. Looking ahead, would-be
presidents who make such remarks can hardly expect to be greeted by an open-minded Putin, whose
brother died and father was wounded in the Soviet-Nazi war. Moreover, tens of millions of today's
Russians whose family members were killed by actual fascists in that war will regard this defamation
of their popular president as sacrilege, as they do the atrocities committed by Kiev.
* * *
And yet, the Obama administration reacts with silence, and worse. Historians will decide what
the US government and the "democracy promotion" organizations it funds were doing in Ukraine during
the preceding twenty years, but much of Washington's role in the current crisis has been clear and
direct. As the Maidan mass protest against President Yanukovych developed last November-December,
Senator John McCain, the high-level State Department policymaker Victoria Nuland and a crew of other
US politicians and officials arrived to stand with its leaders, Tyahnybok in the forefront, and
declare, "America is with you!" Nuland was then caught on tape plotting with the American ambassador,
Geoffrey Pyatt, to oust Yanukovych's government and replace him with Yatsenyuk, who soon became,
and remains, prime minister.
Meanwhile, President Obama personally warned Yanukovych "not to resort to violence," as did,
repeatedly, Secretary of State John Kerry. But when violent street riots deposed Yanukovych-only
hours after a European-brokered, White House–backed compromise that would have left him as president
of a reconciliation government until new elections this December, possibly averting the subsequent
bloodshed-the administration made a fateful decision. It eagerly embraced the outcome. Obama personally
legitimized the coup as a "constitutional process" and invited Yatsenyuk to the White House. The
United States has been at least tacitly complicit in what followed, from Putin's hesitant decision
in March to annex Crimea and the rebellion in southeastern Ukraine to the ongoing civil war.
How intimately involved US officials have been in Kiev's "anti-terrorist operation" is not known,
but certainly the administration has not been discreet. Before and after the military campaign began
in earnest, CIA director John Brennan and Vice President Joseph Biden (twice) visited Kiev, followed,
it is reported, by a continuing flow of "senior US defense officials," military equipment and financial
assistance to the bankrupt Kiev government. Despite this crucial support, the White House has not
compelled Kiev to investigate either the Odessa massacre or the fateful sniper killings of scores
of Maidan protesters and policemen on February 18–20, which precipitated Yanukovych's ouster. (The
snipers were initially said to be Yanukovych's, but evidence later appeared pointing to opposition
extremists, possibly Right Sector. Unlike Washington, the Council of Europe has been pressuring
Kiev to investigate both events.)
As atrocities and humanitarian disaster grow in Ukraine, both Obama and Kerry have all but vanished
as statesmen. Except for periodic banalities asserting the virtuous intentions of Washington and
Kiev and alleging Putin's responsibility for the violence, they have left specific responses to
lesser US officials. Not surprisingly, all have told the same Manichean story, from the White House
to Foggy Bottom. The State Department's neocon missionary Nuland, who spent several days at Maidan,
for example, assured a congressional committee that she had no evidence of fascist-like elements
playing any role there. Ambassador Pyatt, who earlier voiced the same opinion about the Odessa massacre,
was even more dismissive, telling obliging New Republic editors that the entire question
was "laughable."
Still more shameful, no American official at any level appears to have issued a meaningful statement
of sympathy for civilian victims of the Kiev government, not even those in Odessa. Instead, the
administration has been unswervingly indifferent. When asked if her superiors had "any concerns"
about the casualties of Kiev's military campaign, State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki has repeatedly
answered "no." Indeed, at the UN Security Council on May 2, US Ambassador Samantha Power, referring
explicitly to the "counterterrorism initiative" and suspending her revered "Responsibility to Protect"
doctrine, gave Kiev's leaders a US license to kill. Lauding their "remarkable, almost unimaginable,
restraint," as Obama himself did after Odessa, she continued, "Their response is reasonable, it
is proportional, and frankly it is what any one of our countries would have done." (Since then,
the administration has blocked Moscow's appeal for a UN humanitarian corridor between southeastern
Ukraine and Russia.)
Contrary to the incessant administration and media demonizing of Putin and his "agents" in Ukraine,
the "anti-terrorist operation" can be ended only where it began-in Washington and Kiev. Leaving
aside how much power the new president actually has in Kiev (or over Right Sector militias in the
field), Poroshenko's "peace plan" and June 21 cease-fire may have seemed such an opportunity, except
for its two core conditions: fighters in the southeast first had to "lay down their arms," and he
alone would decide with whom to negotiate peace. The terms seemed more akin to conditions of surrender,
and the real reason Poroshenko unilaterally ended the cease-fire on July 1 and intensified Kiev's
assault on eastern cities.
The Obama administration continues to make the situation worse. Despite opposition by several
NATO allies and even American corporate heads, the president and his secretary of state, who has
spoken throughout this crisis more like a secretary of war than the nation's top diplomat, have
constantly threatened Russia with harsher economic sanctions unless Putin meets one condition or
another, most of them improbable. On June 26, Kerry even demanded ("literally") that the Russian
president "in the next few hours…help disarm" resisters in the Southeast, as though they are not
motivated by any of Ukraine's indigenous conflicts but are merely Putin's private militias.
In fact, from the onset of the crisis, the administration's actual goal has been unclear, and
not only to Moscow. Is it a negotiated compromise, which would have to include a Ukraine with a
significantly federalized or decentralized state free to maintain longstanding economic relations
with Russia and banned from NATO membership? Is it to bring the entire country exclusively into
the West, including into NATO? Is it a vendetta against Putin for all the things he purportedly
has and has not done over the years? (Some behavior of Obama and Kerry, seemingly intended to demean
and humiliate Putin, suggest an element of this.) Or is it to provoke Russia into a war with the
United States and NATO in Ukraine?
Inadvertent or not, the latter outcome remains all too possible. After Russia annexed-or "reunified"
with-Crimea in March, Putin, not Kiev or Washington, has demonstrated "remarkable restraint." But
events are making it increasingly difficult for him to do so. Almost daily, Russian state media,
particularly television, have featured vivid accounts of Kiev's military assaults on Ukraine's eastern
cities. The result has been, both in elite and public opinion, widespread indignation and mounting
perplexity, even anger, over Putin's failure to intervene militarily.
We may discount the following indictment by an influential ideologist of Russia's own ultra-nationalists,
who have close ties with Ukraine's "self-defense" commanders: "Putin betrays not just the People's
Republic of Donetsk and the People's Republic of Lugansk but himself, Russia and all of us." Do
not, however, underestimate the significance of an article in the mainstream pro-Kremlin newspaper
Izvestia, which asks, while charging the leadership with "ignoring the cries for help,"
"Is Russia abandoning the Donbass?" If so, the author warns, the result will be "Russia's worst
nightmare" and relegate it to "the position of a vanquished country."
Just as significant are similar exhortations by Gennady Zyuganov, leader of Russia's Communist
Party, the second-largest in the country and in parliament. The party also has substantial influence
in the military-security elite and even in the Kremlin. Thus, one of Putin's own aides has publicly
urged him to send fighter planes to impose a "no-fly zone"-an American-led UN action in Qaddafi's
Libya that has not been forgotten or forgiven by the Kremlin-and destroy Kiev's approaching aircraft
and land forces. If that happens, US and NATO forces, now being built up in Eastern Europe, might
well also intervene, creating a Cuban missile crisis–like confrontation. As a former Russian foreign
minister admired in the West reminds us, there are "hawks on both sides."
Little of this is even noted in the United States. In a democratic political system, the establishment
media are expected to pierce the official fog of war. In the Ukrainian crisis, however, mainstream
American newspapers and television have been almost as slanted and elliptical as White House and
State Department statements, obscuring the atrocities, if reporting them at all, and generally relying
on information from Washington and Kiev. Most Americans are thereby unknowingly being shamed by
the Obama administration's role. Those who do know but remain silent-in government, think tanks,
universities and media-share its complicity.
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has decided to not prolong the ceasefire with Donetsk and
Lugansk People's Republics, announcing an end to a fragile deal to deescalate tensions in the eastern
regions of the country
... ... ...
Since then, heavy shelling and intense shooting was reported in the city of Kramatorsk in the
Donetsk region.
"The shelling started at 22:25 local time," American photographer Patrick Lancaster told RT
by phone from Kramatorsk. "We are in the basement of the Kramatorsk Hotel. About two hours ago,
mortaring started on the center of the city. Each wave lasted anywhere between five to 20 minutes,
and there were three different waves of mortars. I don't have any direct information about wounded
or killed, but there were so many explosions that I really think there is large number of casualties."
... ... ...
The newly-elected president said that the decision to unilaterally end the ceasefire was taken
after his meeting with Ukraine's National Security and Defense Council.
The national Bank of Ukraine reported a growth of losses of Ukrainian enterprises 5.5 times in
the first quarter of 2014. Ukrainian banks also fall apart, and freight transportation by rail drop
sharply. In the end, the negative balance (profit a minus the loss) reached almost $ 11 billion
(128,5 billion UAH).
... ... ...
Ukrainian industry is falling apart on our eyes . The real sector of the Ukrainian economy experienced
hard times in the past year. But his condition brought to fainting. Industrial production is reduced
for 20 consecutive months. Four months 2014 decline accelerated to 5.3%. In March the production
growth was observed only in two sectors - pharmaceuticals and computer industries that play a meager
role in Ukrainian industry (1,7% of the total output.)
The situation in the two main branches
- metallurgy and the chemical industry is only getting worse. In spring the news about a shut down
of the metallurgical, chemical plants and coal mines began to spead. Moreover, production in these
sectors fell even at relatively low gas prices in the first three months of this year (when Gazprom
provided gas at very low price in 268,5 dollars per thousand cubic meters). "Even with the
low price of energy the key enterprises can not reach positive profitability, and after the government
announced the increase of gas prices the led to further deterioration of the situation", state
the experts of the Institute for energy and Finance.
The banking system of Ukraine also is collapsing before our eyes. For the five months from the
beginning of year Ukrainian banks suffered too big losses even given the poor situation in the economy.
Their losses amounted to $900 million (10.4 billion UAH) against a profit of $90 million the last
year as reported last week by the national Bank of Ukraine. For comparison: the total size of the
assets of the Ukrainian banking sector is estimated to be around $70 billion.
From the beginning of year 11 Ukrainian banks are on the verge of bankruptcy and have already
temporary administration in place. Additional capitalization is needed for virtually every bank
in the country, says the Chairman of the Ukrainian interbank currency exchange Anatoly Guley. And
financial assistance from the government and international financial organizations will come not
earlier than September, he adds.
Because of the situation in the economy, income of the population fell sharply. the
same happened with businesses net profits, which led to a decline in demand for loans to zero. In
addition, the share of overdue loans increased, and some banks have suffered due to the forced abandonment
of the Crimean market. Moreover Ukrainian banks have moving abroad since the beginning of the year
about $20 billion ($240 billion UAH).
According to analyst of FC AForex Narek Avagyan problems in Ukrainian enterprises and banks are
not surprising taking into account the situation in the Ukrainian economy, which was on the verge
of collapse from the beginning of the year. The civil war only added fuel to the fire. The reasons
are obvious - the devaluation of the hryvna (more than 50% from October 2013), inflation of more
than 30% since the beginning of the year (annualized), the drop in the living standards of the population
by about 25%, falling of avarage real incomes by almost 20% to $250
Smart people warned even before the November Vilnius summit of the EU with the participation
of Yanukovych about fatal for Ukrainian economics effects of the Association with EU. At least in
the form prescribed by agreement that Poroshenko just signed. We offer a clip in a visual
form shows all sectors of the Ukrainian economy, subject to the violent death of "our European friends".
Let's talk about purely economic consequences, not about spiritual (which is eternal) and
cultural aspects of Ukrainian EuroAnschluss.
Since 2013 several branches of Ukrainian economics already became "less Ukrainian". Judging
by dynamics of development of this "counterterrorist operation" against Ukrainian economics (not
to be confused with the so-called "ATO" performed against Lugansk and Donbass by the militant neo-Nazis
and criminals paid by oligarchs from 90s and social outcasts) for Tyazhmash, metallurgy, coal industry,
shipbuilding, aircraft and rocket construction, concentrated in the Novarossia soon to be destroyed.
So the main troubles can be expected for traditional agricultural Ukrainian agricultural products.
Of course, if Ukraine as a state will still exist after the "victory" over Novorossia.
So let's start with Agroprom, which is often used as a "trump card" of Ukraine Euroingrator lobby.
If in the case of heavy industry even junta specialist babble that it will take "some time that
our manufacturing switch to European standards" So can we assume Europe " is already
looking forward" for Ukrainian agricultural products?
To answer this question the simples way is to refer to the primary source, i.e. to the text of
the agreement on free trade Zone between Ukraine and the EU, which was for the first time translated
into Russian and analyzed by Alexander Gorokhov, an expert specializing in the economic dimension
of cooperation of Ukraine with the EU.
And it looks that Ukraine is royally f*cked. If today a part of agricultural products export
to the EU, is subsidized by the state, Article 32 of this Agreement prohibits any subsidy, including
category named "other" (technical, material, organizational assistance) that can be someone
interpreted as a hidden subsidy. For example, preferential prices for fuel and lubricating
materials. While Article 40 reserves only to EU member States (and there is no even question about
Ukraine's membership in the Agreement) their right to a special regime for their own agricultural
producers.
Article 202 Agreements on geographical indications of products, will make it impossible for many
manufacturers to produce products under the usual names (cheese, alcoholic drinks, some meat products),
forcing them to look for new names, implying costly advertising campaign and lower sales volumes:
the buyer reluctantly takes unknown brands and varieties.
Article 221 requires from individual producers of agricultural production compulsory purchase
of the permit for the sale of finished products and reproduction of any sort of agricultural plants
and breeds of livestock if they are intended for sale. So, without buying consent, neither tomatoes
grown by private producers can get to the market. So neither tomatoes not chicks grown by the e
neighbor can be sold to compete with foreign "certified" production from EU. and we do not even
speak about deliveries to the European Union, promised Eurointergation.
However, with the varieties and breeds permitted for cultivation for sale and cooking is a separate
song. Their list is strictly regulated by EU Directives which now took the force of law for
Ukraine. For products made of meat of "wrong" breeds of cattle and "wrong" varieties
of plants, the path will be closed not only in the European but also on the domestic market. This
means that some farmers and agricultural enterprises have to completely destroy current livestock
and poultry, and to purchase "right" breeds together with permission for commercial use. Another
is to eliminate the existing sorts of trees, vineyards and make new ones without any guarantee that
these sorts of plants take root in this area. How much time and money they will need to restore
the previous level of production that is anybody's guess.
However, the presence of approved breeds and varieties not guarantee that their products will
have access to EU markets. The directives specified in the Application XXXVII and IV-B to the Agreement
(their lists more than three dozen) and EU standards (several hundred) regulate, for example, the
terms of the cattle, the list and composition of feed and additives in them, procedure of vaccination
and medication list, rules of transportation of cattle, the procedure of slaughter and storage of
the meat. there is even the list that specify the qualification of specialists, engaged in cultivation
of cattle. The same applies to production plants, where the role of those restrictions is even the
sheer size of products and variations in its form. For example, thankfully European farmers, in
2013 was lifted a ban on the sale slightly curved cucumbers.
Regulated as obligatory types of labeling and packaging, which may be marketed agricultural products.
Moreover, all of it must undergo mandatory certification. And not in the district SES or the village
veterinarian. They call for specialized independent certification centers, equipped for every kind
of agricultural products strictly defined set of test instruments and equipment. Currently in Ukraine
there are no such certification centers. So until they will not appear, none of rural enterprise,
no farmer can to penetrate the European markets. And after three-four years they will not be able
to sell their products even in the domestic market without proper certification.
Dreams of unimpeded access to the European market are shattered to pieces about one obstacle
laid down in European regulations that Ukraine is obliged to implement as laws. This is about guaranteed
minimum volumes of products with which the producer may attempt to conquer Europe. Such volumes
can provide not even a single very large enterprise, not to mention ordinary farmer. So, if someone
will try to trade with the EU, it is only via dealers. And do not have illusions, to whom producers
or dealers will belong the lion's share of the gains from trade with the EU.
Finally, "the last trump card" of Eurointergation - possibility of the unlimited export
of grain from Ukraine to the EU, which currently is about 3 million tons per year. But now the supply
of wheat to the EU will be limited to one million tons. Also from 300 thousand tons of sugar that
Ukraine is able to sell to the EU, she will be allowed to sell only 10 times less! Such restrictions
are provided for all types of agricultural products. No wonder the war for agricultural quotas do
not subside even among full members of the EU. In addition, on 24 groups of agricultural production
of Ukraine is obliged to annually reduce export tax by one percent, up to zero. By the way, for
other raw materials, including products of primary processing of metals, Ukraine is obliged immediately
to establish export duties twice below the current level (of WTO negotiated duties) immediately
after the entry into force of the Agreement. And make them zero in 7-10 years.
And, since you mentioned the WTO after accession, Ukraine was obliged to 2010 to introduce a
ban on sale of meat, bacon, butter and milk produced in households (entry into force of the corresponding
law has already twice postponed so as not to disturb the electorate before the elections). Now,
the Agreement with EU sweep with Ukrainian markets sauerkraut, pickles, pickled apples, natural
oil, veal and even honey, because "Directive on the common catalogue of varieties of agricultural
plant species" strictly specifies that sorts out of growing on our black soils, may be sold. Notice,
we do not count, how many grandmothers will lose their only source of subsistence. We talk only
about what you will not find on the market soon.
And in the supermarket may not look for products with the habitual stamp "Without GMO". Recommendations
the Commission ensure the coexistence of genetically modified crops with conventional and organic
agriculture".
A surprise awaits and owners of nuclear power station, hydro and coal-powers electrical stations
located in Ukraine. Today surplus electricity and gas of own production are exported to Europe at
world prices. After the entry into force of the Agreement with the EU, Ukraine will be prohibited
to export gas and electricity at prices higher than the internal. Therefore, in order to export
energy commodities, will have to raise their prices for Ukrainian consumers.
But the real "joy" is reserved for those just rising to their feet clothing producers like "Kiyanka",
Zhitomir socks factories, and other similar enterprises: Agreement specify that "For worn
clothing and other used items within the Ukrainian customs code 6309 00 00, Ukraine will eliminate
all customs duties on imports". This allow EU to sell second-hand stuff in Ukraine, killing Ukrainian
clothing industry. After all, in conditions of mass impoverishment, most will prefer second hand
to new clothing.
Now I think few doubts that Ukrainian manufacturing will soon goes south. And that can lead to
a social explosion is caused by the destruction of entire sectors of economics and to the deprivation
of means of subsistence of considerable number of people. And this on the background IFM dictat
as for prices might finally finish Ukraine.
Transitional variant is also possible slow painful death most of strategic and, most importantly,
paying to the budget Ukrainian enterprises of Novorossia, which for now belong to militarized Principality
on Igor Kolomoisky. That will only slow down the process of the destruction and postpone timing
for a social explosion. Which in this case might be more powerful. And instqntly propagate to the
agricultural regions of Ukraine.
But such a social catastrophe would not touch Poroshenko and similar owners of personal aircraft
that can fly without refueling to Europe. They will be just fine. So much for the benefits of the
Association agreement with the EU signed by Poroshenko. Which in reality might be equal to
sighting of agreement about self-liquidation of the country.
Let's blow up the gas pipeline. We have war, an on the war such things happens. Europe will
get gas withdrawal symptoms and instantly will be highly motivated to solve all the problems
in Ukraine. You would day that's mean. But I will say that in the war all means are good. The interests
of the country is the main priority. And tools, sorry, we have what we have.
... ... ...
And here's a simple recipe, how to dry wet powder and return to him the "explosive condition".
1. The introduction of martial law in "difficult" regions. Before we have no martial law,
for the world public opinion we've have some kind of a local war, which can disperse water cannons.
Untie the hands of the military, make it clear to the world that we have a problem.
2. The change of the military leadership. There is "No fuel, no resources, no strategy,
no motivation" is heard from the armchair generals. If so, then you are fired. There are plenty
of people who have balls and are ready to do his duty, please give the a chance. It is better to
5 years of errors than 5 years of sabotage.
3. Get off the gas needle. Whatever fuel we can get via the reverse, with wood, oil, straw
and wood furniture of Yanukovich Mezhigorye palace - use it and provide Ukraine's with necessary
energy resources until we finish the terminal to receive liquefied gas!
It's time once and for all to cut short all the energy manipulation of our "Slavic brothers".
In Qatar gas is much cheaper, and they put no additional conditions. It's "only business".
We can sell it to Europe, if we properly do everything to accomplish this. This would be also bring
us neat profit.
This is simply a great day: June 27 Poroshenko in the city of Brussels signed something about
the economic of Ukraine's membership in the EU, and June 28 - day one of the Ukrainian Constitution.
Can you guess what I am hinting at? That will be two holidays in a row. Given the propensity of
the current leadership to the value EU integration I would bet my tooth that soon there will be
a new holiday in Ukraine -- Europe day on June 27. Bright and incredibly joyful holiday. Perhaps
even more so than the Independence Day, which now lost its luster and slightly contradicts the essence
of this epochal event. Although, as they say, your mileage may vary.
Soon on the shelves of Ukrainian stores will appear cheaper European goods and products of Ukrainian
"Ryaba" cooperative will fill the entire Brussels. We are joining something that remind me the Swedish
family with a proudly raised the prospect of full membership in 20 or 30 years from now. Of course,
the heart of the true patriots are overwhelmed with a feeling of profound satisfaction. Already
visible is the day when on biometric passport, which will contain all your personal data, up to
the porn sites visited during working hours, every Ukrainian will be able to travel to Vienna. Or
not to travel, if he does not have money. It's the real freedom of choice. I think it's necessary
to gather in Kyiv national Assembly to hear reports of the President on the implementation of economic
integration of the country in a friendly embrace of the EU integration wave, which is so high that
covered us with our head. However, there are some minor problems, slightly disturbing cloudless
Eurointergation horizon.
If earlier the main problem of Ukraine was considered to be corruption, but now, thank God, we
solved this problem. It's not a good time for corruption, when the civil war began. Bribes are much
smaller for quite objective reasons. First, there is little money around in any case, second, businesses
and production plants are mostly closed, and third, in the South-East it is easier to get a bullet
in the forehead than a bribe.
Well, after the proclamation of the course for a Unitary, United and Indivisible Country (UUIC)
at the place of Ukraine emerged quasi-Association of oligarch controlled provinces, practically
not governable from the center. Therefore, it is not easy to determine which part of the country
began a successful integration in the EU. Exactly at the time of signing of the economic part of
the agreement that promises us all sorts of bonuses in the form of free vending machines for condoms
for anal sex, all of Ukrainian social media discusses the attack of eight tanks by militia. The
roadblock was blown up. Arsen Avakov in Facebook white usual nonsense about victory and destroyed
tanks. "Well-lit Russian tanks!" - this post as Minister of the Interior may enter into history
as the exhibit number two of the state of his mental health. The first is the post about "establishing
control over Central Slavyansk", dated April 14.
Apparently, Lugansk and Donetsk region, which announced the creation of a Confederation of the
two republics, was unaware about the incredible benefits of integration into the EU. Again another
coincidence: June 27 is also "as if" the date of expiration of the ceasefire, as was declared
by "as if" President, together with the implementation of his "as if" the peace plan. I understand
that it is very difficult to decipher through complicated sentences of Presidential plan,
but in reality it means something quite different from ceasefire and especially has nothing to do
with peace. According to the reports, the whole "peace week" was actually a week of
quite fierce fighting. Particularly intense clashes occurred exactly on June 27. The President promised
to take in the next few hours to make some "important decision". It is very easy to guess what it
will be. A failure of the "peace plan" will be announced and the beginning of the ultimate
(comprehensive, decisive, final) (antiterrorist) operations for the liberation of the
territories occupied by the terrorists". Arsen Avakov has already managed to declare that his patience
already exhausted and the separatists have just a few hours for disarmament."
You know, a couple of months ago a statement about "the adoption of important decisions" would
be someone be shocking. Now it (the decision) does not matter much as also does not matter much
the government in Kiev. The resistance forces in the two breakaway republics demonstrated a willingness
to fight to the bitter end and to break the blockade. And if their declaration of confederation
actually sounds like an ultimatum from them to Kiev government, it is. Its essence is simple: the
subject of negotiations from now on can only be the details of relatively peaceful secession
DND and LNR from Ukraine. The saturation of militia forces, improved weapons, training, flow of
volunteers from within and different countries and influx of military equipment has reached such
a level that imposing "peace plan", composed in Kyiv at the bidding of the European instructors,
became a very difficult and bloody undertaking. They will literally fight to death. The conflict
reached a new qualitative level, and there is nothing Kiev, or Moscow can do in order to stop them
from becoming yet another Kosovo.
But the problem is that this "as if" President has nowhere to retreat. Behind him is well armed
"Right Sector" and Washington. So retreat for him is even more personally dangerous then launching
a military offence of newly declared confederation. And we increasingly hear threats "to turn
the National Guard to the capital". The irony is that "the long-awaited UE Association agreement"
was signed in the moment when another part of Ukraine disappeared from the geographical map of This
country, vanished completely. And instead of unitary state we now have more like Somali-style semi-independent
provinces that don't care much or obey the government in Kiev.
South-East is might even be able to counter-attack central government forces. And instead of
former Dnepropetrovsk oblast government, now we have Kolomoyski Khaganat, with the oligarchic ruler
on top (in a very direct sense of the word). Crimea, which is still formally considered a part of
Ukraine by Kiev government, in fact has no idea of what "benefits" will bring the accession to the
Euro zone. Galicia is starting to boil, as it became a natural donor for the anti-terrorist operation.
In Odessa there is a fierce clan war between Kyiv and Dnepropetrovsk oligarchic for the control
of the city.
In a number of other regions of Ukraine the situation is reminiscent of an oil painting - "we
are patriots, for unity, but we'd better wait and see what will happen". Spoiled Kievites now eat
promised "improvement" in the standard of living in the form of increased by 50% utility tariffs
.
I would say that Ukraine achieved perfect timing for the start of the process of EU Association.
Moreover it accidentally created all the necessary prerequisites for continuous inflow of
euro capital, goods and services. Particularly body armor, which symbolize the realities of today
Ukraine and goods it needs most.
A Verkhovna Rada deputy who is also an ex-defense minister of Ukraine, said during a prime time
talk-show that the country's "patriots" would be justified "to kill" Russian President Vladimir
Putin if he came to Kiev.
Anatoly Gritsenko made his shocking statement speaking on the popular national talk show 'Shuster
Live'.
"Putin won't stop. He wants not only Ukraine, he wants the Baltic States and other countries,"
claimed Gritsenko, who was a presidential candidate twice, in the 2010 and 2014 Ukrainian elections.
Gritsenko did not elaborate on what had driven him to such a conclusion.
Calling the Russian president "a fascist," Gritsenko went on to say that he cannot imagine Vladimir
Putin coming to Ukraine to sign some kind of a deal.
"I believe there are patriots who would volunteer to kill him – and that would be the right thing
to do," Gritsenko remarked.
The leader of the Civil Position party, Gritsenko is a vocal advocate of Ukraine joining both
the EU and NATO.
Speaking in the same edition of the 'Shuster Live' talk-show, Gritsenko accused the current
Ukrainian president, Petro Poroshenko, of not fulfilling financial obligations towards the Ukrainian
military units taking part in the punitive operation in the Lugansk and Donetsk regions. Gritsenko
insisted that Poroshenko must allocate the money he promised during his election campaign, even
if it is to come out of his own pocket.
The politician also proposed to send the sons of top Ukrainian officials to fight against the
self-defense forces in the east of the country – including the son of the President Poroshenko himself.
The last several months of political crisis in Ukraine have been marked with scandals caused
by the shocking statements of local politicians, so this latest gaffe by the former defense minister
looks like normal business.
Two weeks ago, the now ex-Foreign Minister Andrey Deshchitsa publicly 'effed' the head of Russia.
In an incident that may be a first in diplomatic history, Kiev's top diplomat chanted "Putin's a
f**ker" surrounded by a crowd vandalizing the Russian embassy in the Ukrainian capital.
Although Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko fired the uncouth diplomat several days ago, some
MPs in the Ukrainian parliament considered it only natural that Deshchitsa should become Ukraine's
new ambassador to Russia.
Since the unrest began in Ukraine in November last year, other Ukrainian politicians have also
distinguished themselves with unprecedented deeds and sayings.
In March, the leader of Ukraine's far-right Radical Party, ultra-radical MP Oleg Lyashko his
supporters abducted a regional MP in eastern Ukraine and posted video of his interrogation in which
Lyashko says that he will "hang him by the balls and have him f**ked."
Also in March, Ukrainian MP Igor Miroshnynchenko (from Svoboda party) assisted by a group of
helpers stormed the office of Ukraine's National Television Company, physically abused the TV channel's
head, calling him an "animal" and "Moskal" (a derogatory term for Russians) and bullied him into
signing a resignation.
In April, Irina Farion, an MP of the nationalist Fatherland Party, went as far as to call for
the deaths of citizens in Donetsk, Kharkov and Lugansk who demand the federalization of Ukraine.
"I'd act much tougher. I'd just shoot them dead. Look, the enemy is ruling our land. What are
we talking about? They should've been expelled from here back in 1654 (the year Ukraine aligned
with the Russian Empire). That's why today's reaction is unacceptable. The measures should be much
tougher. Our people laid down their lives. That's why those creatures that arrive here deserve only
death," Farion proclaimed.
Selected Comments
Vanmeter 29.06.2014 13:18
These Ukrainian hot-heads had better learn to shut up before it's too late. They should also
be careful what they wish for, because they may soon get it, and in a way they are not exactly
expecting.
Wil 29.06.2014 13:17
Emmett 29.06.2014 11:47
I know US and EU/NATO are a global crime syndicate but they've dropped all pretenses
of trying to act like statesmen and diplomats and are showing themselves to be the lowlife
thugs they are.
i agree 100% they have completely dropped all pretenses of diplomacy. I think they are getting
increasingly desperate and their true colours are showing. I just wish we had fact reporting
in my country so we could open our eyes to these murderous elite
Peter Jennings 29.06.2014 13:22
That's very unprofessional of an ex minister and makes you wonder just what we Europeans
are letting into the EU. Fascists such as Irina Farion are only in it for their own self aggrandizement
and the power. They typically use the lowest common denominator to impress because it is very
easy to convince a dummy into harming their neighbor.
Just as the SA found out that they also became expendable, after carrying out murders for
Hitler, those who incite this type of hatred may find themselves in the same holes as their
victims. Curtesy of a once friendly nato.
Mark 29.06.2014 13:10
@Murmet
for your information, Turkey's potential to aide terrorists against Iraq and Syria is becoming
weaker because Syria is winning epic battles and the Turkey cannot deliver weapons to the terrorists
any longer.
Already Turkey's role in the ISIS/ISIL spread to Iraq has been exposed and now some Iraqi
provinces such as Babil have banned Turkey made products. Russians should in fact end their
holiday visits to Turkey.
Turkey wanted to use the Crimea Tartars against Russia but that is no longer possible. As
for the Ukrainian demagogues, they will achieve nothing important against Russia.
Murmet 29.06.2014 13:10
shars 29.06.2014 13:00
Her e ya go folks - their ready made excuse for slaughtering citizens. Not hardly. It's
the U.S./EU/NATO familiar script: kill citizens so the rest will turn against their leader.
Then U.S. moves in to place puppet.
Ok, in Ukraine they already have their puppet installed, but using same strategy to destroy
the East by genocide.
W e see through your agenda, Murmet!
I see, its always the evil EU/US/NATO... Are you even able to reflect the policy of your
country?
Hansel 29.06.2014 13:09
Robert 29.06.2014 12:01
The question is: where did they get their upbringing? Must be a ukie school for the elites.
And they still think they are getting a deal from the EU and the IMF that will give them
a great standard of living.
It 's exactly these Elites that will benefit from the EU/IMF..and not the population.....that'
s all they are worried about.....they will soon be out of office...then they can retire rich
and probably in some nice country like Switzerland...
Mark 29.06.2014 13:00
@Murmet
a massive geopolitical scheme that included Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar Israel and the U.S.
only helped returning the Crimea and Sevastopol returning to Russia and E, Ukraine is resisting,
Syria is winning epic victories, Iraq joining the fight. Ukrainians are freely switching to
the pro Russian side. Now Russophobes fall back to dirty tactics such as killing women and children
and threatening the life of President Putin- war crime. Tartars are no longer so foolish. Majority
of the Crimean Tartars took up Russian passports and any aggression by tiny minority will be
addressed by the firm hand of the law.
N.G. 29.06.2014 12:19
"A Verkhovna Rada deputy who is also an ex-defense minister of Ukraine, said during a prime
time talk-show that the country's "patriots" would be justified "to kill" Russian President
Vladimir Putin if he came to Kiev."
Nothing has changed in the Bandera nazi Kiev.
They have justified Maidan, Korsun, Odessa--
murdere rs walk free in Kiev these days.
Welcome to EU Kiev! And once again - thank you USA!
Wayne Mickel 29.06.2014 12:17
These are supposed to be adults,but they act like little spoiled children who cannot get
their own way. It is a shame that they are in power and will lose everything align itself with
a failed coalition such as the EU and America, the State Department must be giving them scripts
to read before they speak because the State Department sounds just as childish in denying reality
and truth
Quote: "I think its time to lower the curtain for this exiting play. Looks like the end of EuroMaidan.
Curtain, please -- ". The same is true for this page...
In the morning skinheads from of the Right sector, who after February stagnated without the target
for application their considerable talents got in action again.
Karabas Barabas, which pulls the ropes for those marionette, gave those psychopathic soils whose
hands are used to baseball bats and metal chains possibility to get rid of bad energy that they
accumulated for so many days without real action. This energy was skillfully dissipated on a chosen
target it in a safe way, so that skinheads would not accidentally turn their baseball bats and chains
themselves against puppeteers.
So today the young radicals, who do not remove the masks from the faces for half a year or more,
as well as selected misfits, for whom in principle, there is no difference that to destroy, were
given a green light to target the hotel "Tourist". In this hotel trade union have a conference
on which they planned to elect new trade Union leaders. Allegedly, the organizers planned
to usurp delicious positions at the top in the interests of the representatives of evil Yanukovich
regime, which was amputated by Right Sector the last winter, but it looks like phantom pain from
this amputation have not gone away.
Producer of the assault announced to skinheads that officials are representatives of Party of
Region there can be no fair game, only arbitrary allocation of seats ion the interests of functionaries
of the evil regime. This news so exited socially active skinheads that they, despite being chronically
unemployed, decided to use their muscles, bats and chains to restore the fairness of Trade Union
elections and to bring quick justice to those who plan to usurp the governing seats.
In short, the puppeteer gave skinheads the command "GO", and they enthusiastically began to break
windows, doors, throw firecrackers - commit all those acts about which legendary "titushki" (aka
supporters of previous "evil" regime) can only dream to commit without going to jail. The leader
of those unfortunates went on trial just for a couple of deceptive movements towards so-called
journalists. It's much nicer to be in right camp at the right time. In this case justice is not
applicable to your, you are the justice. With a baseball bat and a chain in hands, instead of old-fashioned
scales. And this is new justice in not blind -- just in mask.
With their considerable accumulated energy that begged for release, the skinheads did not disappointed
their handlers - the entire first floor of the building was smashed, including window frames,
dividing conference room rolling glass dividers, furniture, you name it. Witnesses of this "noble"
destruction are saying that the militants in balaclavas were led a Kiev City Council member, and
he has taken them away when he found that the participants of the Congress as terrified enough,
the damage is impressive and emotional stress the fighters for democracy accumulated since February,
has been properly canalized and discharged.
Actually, such performances are held in Ukrainian cities, including the capital, almost daily.
Now you can casually read them in police reports, which overtaken by modern trend toward virtualization
of everything also became virtue, and just calmly reports about attacks, robberies, beatings, and
all other nice staff of revolutionary times.
And well-known Dentist, turned in ultra-nationalist, changed his former specialty of extracting
bad (and accidentally good) teeth into more profitable racket of small merchants who operate kiosks
on the streets and within city markets, Recently he managed to upscale his new business by using
the same noble tactic for complete plants: yesterday, the division of notorious Right Sector skinheads
called "Sich", took control of Dolinsky refinery in Kirovograd region. Motivation is
simple and extremely convincing: the owner sponsored the separatists. No evidence, of course, was
brought, and the press service of Right Sector humbly justified their actions by the data they received
directly from the employees. The words "taken control" of course, a euphemism, in fact it is a standard
raider seizure of the plant made for nice sum of money from the sponsor, but presstitutes from Ukrainian
media are afraid to disobey talking points that are distributed to them. And those talking points
precisely explain how to depict such events in the current revolutionary situation The fact that
such a description has nothing to do with the reality does not matter. Sorry guys, who used to owned
the property.
Now everything is dramatically simplified. No court decisions are no longer required, the idea
of evidence and investigation are compressed into simple and powerful narrative "support of separatism"
and any remnants of the rule of law are cancelled as vestiges of the reactionary regime of Yanukovich.
Now it is enough to point fingers at sweet, but poorly protected piece of property, to blame
the owner in support of separatism, and voila, you can get it. You just need to lay Right Sector
skinheads or other radicals. They are like the rest of nation are striving for self-sufficiency
and, judging the pace of their progress, no doubt, they will soon achieve this.
Within this existing and cheerful splash of criminal activity when many things are happening
simultaneously, Vitali Klitschko, decided not to be swiped aside by this racket tide and reported
to public that the restoration of the the Kiev municipal building on Khreschatik. previously ramcacked
by Right Sector skinheads, now started. He showed to journalists a couple of few refurbished offices
and announced that full repair the building will cost just 30 million Ukrainian hrivna. Some unemployed,
but curious kievites, pointed out that for this amount of money you can build from scratch
multi-family high-rise house, but Klitschko is a big man with large plans and smaller sums
would be just plain waiste of his talents. Possibly after repair in the building will have a really
nice gum, and/or bathrooms will be splashed with real gold ornaments. Who knows.
But, it seems that the victorious boxer and novice head of Kiev City Council will not be allowed
to work (aka steal allocated money) safely, and not only due to terrible state of the municipal
council building.
Just before he could begin to fulfill his dreams of personal enrichment in a new position, he
was hit with appercout that then strong swing from the left. Politics is pretty far from boxing
and both blows Vitally clearly missed: the mayor has already been accused of corrupt deals with
the Kiev land, in collusion with former major Bondarenko, who was acting mayor of Kiev since EuroMaidan
victory, and put special emphasis on reusing talents of capable team of Chernovetskiy for
capitalizing on old, solid, proven corruption schemes with municipal land.
Former opposition activist Igor Lutsenko, who became the Deputy of the city Council of Kyiv after
the victory of the Maidan, already accused his former ally in the struggle against evil Yanukovich
regime in indulging of the criminal carve-up of municipal land. "Just found out that tonight, at
seven o'clock in the morning (!), Vitali Klitschko has signed a Memorandum with the village Kotsubynske
and Kyiv regional administration. As reported by activists, Klitschko has actually approved the
alienation of the vast territory of Kiev municipal land. It is a famous Belichanskaya forest, which
Kotsyubinsky real estate mafia badlky wants for new constructions. The fight lasts for years," wrote
Lutsenko in his Facebook account, not touched even by the fact that the new mayor spends days and
night trying to adapt to his new, unfamiliar to him role, so different from boxing on the ring,
and might even stop sleeping to care for the welfare of the capital and kievites.
He was echoed by another accusation about breach of trust, by, as they say, the city Council
jackals (who got, who are these people?), carving up the other huge piece of expensive Kiev
land for the benefit of few, close to the major, people.
Kievites now can fear that more has to come for all their EuroMaidan support. They are
yet to receive raised payment for municipal services, which from 1 July becoming much more expensive.
Yet, irrational love of Kievite to open-minded and beautiful former boxer is not exhausted. It's
too early. Just one month ago they trusted him to lead a huge and complex city and they still believe
in a miracle.
but if such misdeeds were committed by former Kyiv mayor, this old guy Popov, appointed by Yanukovich.
his pieces have already hanging from one of the city lampposts. There is no hot water from central
heating any longer and all tariffs have broken loose, Kievites now are forced gently wash
themselves using kettles with warm water boiled on this now more expensive gas.
So we can admin that despite all this temporary difficulties metropolitan residents are so far
deafly silent. After all, they did not forgot that the main achievement of the Maidan was
that Yanukovych and his cronies like Popov were overthrown, and replaced with guys like Klichko.
And after that change of decorations everything should be just fine. To admit that they were
incredibly naive, is just to much for most of them.
Still it is a pity that the excitement and the feeling of deep satisfaction from this great victory
that kievites felt after the coup of February 22, was somewhat spoiled. Today, in addition to discoveries
about the beginning of those big corruption ventures by Vitaly Klitchko, we learned more about the
activities of another EutoMaidan hero Mr. Bulanov. He got the post of the Minister of
Sport and Physical Culture. And while he looks like far, cluless rural Rahul, he never missed his
own benefits. In this sport he proved to be a real champion.
People already complain that he has imposed a tribute on athletes, makes reports about fake competitions,
which he managed to write off stealing budget funds and putting them between trusted collegues.
In general, he proved to be another clever Maidan posterboy, who successfully continued his career
of stealing public funds collected for Maidan in his new position. And it looks like he really enjoys
being unaccountable in this new revolutionary envoironment. What are the importance of small
sums landed in wrong pockets in competition with the removal of the evil corrupt regime of Yanukovich.
Wait, but Yanukovich did exactly the same, so what;s the differnece?. Looks like the only difference
is new faces, the glory of EuroMaidan, and the great splash of patriotism.
And Bulanov showed promice really early on. He seems, was not satisfied with stealing of Maidan
public trust money. People remember also the "successful" delivery of firewood to the Maidan
square and muddy scandals about diverting drugs that were given to Maidan as charity to private
pharmacies with their subsequent sale and appropriation of profits. There are rumors that he is
already fired form the office, though he claims that no petition about this was yet filed. If he
is fired, then, of course, it's not for e developing and testing of new criminal schemes. but because
his old schemes are now needed for other people those who also have greedy hands and large empty
pockets that beg to be filled with public money.
But God will save us from being impoverished by the evil machinations of the enemies. Everything
is fine, and as classics wrote, life goes on.
And what to worry ? The association agreement with the EU will be signed tomorrow and,
consequently, Kyiv will automatically turn into the capital of the country associated with the EU.
So what? -you can immaturely ask. Here is what!
Seven months ago led by the priest Gapon protesters on the Maidan pressed Yanukovich government
that Ukraine would immediately sign the Association with the EU. He decided to postpone it for half-a-year.
Some 7 months later, after fights fires, killings, skirmishes, usage of heavy weapon against citizens,
shootouts, seizures and storms, the loss of the Crimea, the uprising in the South-East, the deaths
of hundreds and hundreds of fellow citizens, the 50% devaluation of hrivna, growth of tariffs, huge
unemployment rate, decline of GDP decline we're one step from a new wonderful world.
Tomorrow the association Agreement will be signed, and cheering crowds of citizens will come
to the Maidan square to welcome this miracle signing "Ave, Caesar..." (aka President Pooroshenko).
Promoters and animators from the same NGO and community organizations who for all these 7 months,
not counting the previous 20 years, guided citizens with total lies about a bright European future
of Ukraine, now will be calling kievites to sing an Ode to joy to mark this landmark event. They
know that as a result of epochal events Europeans will get our markets, will finish off remaining
heavy equipment and machinery producers. With all the ensuing pleasant consequences. This
trouble-free operation in application of Western grand politics to yet another country will soon
produce the situation similar to Bulgaria, and please ask Bulgarians what Ode and to whom they now
like to sing. Still you can probably dance on the central square under the bad signing of the Ruslana,
who might conveniently bypass her underwear for the event.
It's a little bit disconcerting that just the right before this bright holiday of obtaining the
status of an associate member, Deputy Minister of foreign Affairs of announced that Ukrainians have
nothing to count on visa-free entry into the EU from 1 January 2015. Huh, looks like we were already
got a pretty slow start.
For the vast majority of Ukrainians to 1 January 2015 visits to the EU
will become the ultimate dream of safe and plush jobs somewhere in nice EU country. But worry not.
There will be that they will be absolutely no difference for majority whether visa will be
available or not, because they can't now afford to travel to Europe. The standard of living is decreasing
exponentially, so a trip to Europe is unlikely to become part of the consumer basket. So the message
that and hope should not prejudice exclusively self-esteem because the song on visa-free regime
as brought Yushchenko in 2005 - they say, that's it, and sings the whole country. Well, in reality
it is our hymn or pretty close to it
Although the ideological consequences of this, of course, very nasty. As so many patriots dreamt
of finally leaving the beloved Motherland to work for some other nation. This is simply a bummer.
Take comfort in the knowledge that chances to get a job and decent earnings in the EU are, even
if at the border will be eliminated, are pretty slime. Unemployment in the EU is growing by a daring
pace, and, in this sense the EU is not that different from other lands. Where it does not growing
fast ? OK. It's in russia. But that might change too.
But we are commanded to rejoice in connection with the signing of the Association and who does
not want to rejoices, is,of course, Moskal. There is also a legitimate cause for rejoicing. Petro
Poroshenko at the PACE session said that until the end of the year conflict in Ukraine will be over.
This approach is much more pragmatic and realistic than the promise to end the war before the end
of the next week. Should we rejoice? Probably not.
Because that means another 6 months of bloody fighting till the end of the year,and just to
think that the war will last for another six months, is scary, very scary. We hope that the negotiations
will lead the situation out of deadlock much faster. I hope and believe, despite sham participants
of the negotiations, no, actually, no authority something to promise and guarantee.
Completely incomprehensible role in those negotiations was the role of Medvedchuk, which from
political obscurity suddenly become representative of Donetsk. Kuchma, with who most junta leaders
would lot live in the same community, suddenly became government representative...
And now - until the end of the year. Peter Poroshenko well explain, at least, what the authorities
are going to do all those long 6 months. Continue cleaning the Donetsk steppe from living there
not nationally consciously population? The ultimatum to the Donesk militia expires tomorrow, but
it is clear that the militia did received his ideas too well: "nobody among them wanted to die in
shame and disgrace" after turning arms to the Poroshekno troups
Constructive negotiations and no, they didn't even begun. Who benefits from this?
In General, I want to be optimistic, but learn while nowhere. Perhaps that's where. Traditionally,
a little about the beautiful.
In Ukraine from June 30 to July 6, to be held the International forum-festival LGBT "KievPride2014".
They will unite around the ideas of unity, freedom, equality and security not only of lesbian, gay,
bisexual and transgender people, but all people of good will who share these values:
"Among the activities planned "educational lectures and workshops, the school for human rights,
stimulating the film program, musical performances friendly LGBT artists and performers, exhibition
of artifacts from the history of LGBT movement, the pride of the party in the capital's nightlife,
the debate about how LGBT asset now able to offer new Ukrainian government".
I think its time to lower the curtain for this exiting play. Looks like the end of EuroMaidan.
Curtain, please --
Made Primakov with explanations of the current rate of the Russian Federation. Rather amusing
to hear from him about the role of sanctions, and about the spontaneity of the Crimea and about
dualism of the Russian policy in Donbass.
Apparently he warns the Russian media inflating the Patriotic frenzy and those that smoke all
this "patriotic propaganda". They say not understood the taking points. And who to blame if independent
DND and LNR will go under.
Russia has said it views the expansion of E.U. ties to its border as Western encroachment on
a region that has long been within the Kremlin's sphere of influence, particularly Ukraine, which
Russians see as the cradle of their civilization. Russia has sought to enlist those countries in
the Eurasian Union, its competing vision of an alliance based on values dominated by Moscow and
free of Western influence.
"The anti-constitutional coup in Kiev and attempts to artificially impose a choice between Europe
and Russia on the Ukrainian people have pushed society toward a split and painful confrontation,"
Russian President Vladimir Putin said in Moscow on Friday, calling for a swift return to peace.
Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Grigory Karasin said the deal would "no doubt . . . have serious
consequences," Russia's Interfax news agency reported.
E.U. leaders - along with those of Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova - have said that the deal does
not constitute a challenge to Russia.
Ukrainian journalist tells the whole truth about the war in the South-East
"I never thought that in the twenty-third year of Ukraine independence there would be
seen a fratricidal war such as this. To the South-East of Kiev the authorities have been
practically firing artillery blindly into Lugansk and Donetsk."
The TV interview took place in deepest Western Ukraine, in the city of Ivano-Frankivsk:
"If we in Ivano-Frankivsk on the square in front of the regional administration had cluster
bombs fall from a plane, we would have such a people's Republic as there is in Lugansk", he
said.
Again, I should have loved to have posted my last above comment to the Grauniad so as to get
those shites there on the comments pages shouting "Putinbot!"
I don't really know why I should
be pissed off so at my banishment, though: I believe that less than 2% of the British population
reads that rag. However, judging by the standard of English of some of the commentators (and
I'm not talking about semi-literate British native speakers that write such ungrammatical expressions
as "I would of thought…"), very many Russophobic Yukies, Poles and Balts infest the comment
sections of that paper.
Strangely enough, irate Britons don't scream at them: "This is a BRITISH newspaper!" instructing
certain commentators, myself included, to take their perverse, paid for Kremlinbot opinions
elsewhere: never do they instruct Estonians Latvians etc. to clear off, nor criticize their
sometimes incomprehensible English. However, let them have the slightest suspicion that a commentator
is an Orc from Mordor, then the shit hits the fan.
One rabid Russophobe once commented to me that for a Russian my English was "quite good".
Per the Saker blog, Ustache-grade psychopathy is alive and well in Ukraine in the form of mutilation,
torture and murder. It speaks to the reservoir of insanity that the West loves to keep on tap
to unleash as needed. As said before the West is run by high function psychopaths and Russia
is run by sane people. That my friends is the essence of the struggle.
Namely,
insurgents claim
that dead or wounded Ukrainian soldiers are having their bellies cut open and their
organs removed.
(Not by insurgents, but by their own mercenary allies.)
Most often, the organs are removed from those who died in battle. But in some cases,
the wounded are also "Burked" and "Hared" and their organs removed, after the victims are
prematurely sped along to their final destination.
Working in collusion with American/European Surgeons, who are showing up more and more
in Ukrainian field hospitals and regular hospitals in the area, they treat the junta wounded;
and also in collusion with the Red Cross, who drives up in their vans, packs the organs
on ice, and take them back to Europe for re-sale. Somebody is making a huge fortune out
of these stolen organs.
This accusation was first made when some rag-tag insurgents made a raid against National
Guard soldiers on Karachun Mountain, near Slav'ansk. This area has been under control of
Kiev regime for many weeks now. Insurgents briefly took control of a patch, and discovered
the bodies of 180 National Guard, with their stomachs cut open, and hollow insides.
Later, it was said, another 300 such bodies were discovered in the area of the Troitsky
Monastery.
Очень велика вероятность, что некоторые сторонники евроинтеграции окажутся в Европе
раньше, но по частям.
"There is a very great probability that certain proponents of Euro-integration will turn
up in Europe sooner (than expected), but only parts of them…"
Bad joke, and all this is quite dubious, but I am inclined to believe it.
Based on real-life stories from Great Patriotic War, in which Nazis drained blood of Soviet
children, in occupied villages, in order to transfuse to their soldiers.
This is a proved fact, and not speculation. (I mean the Nazi thing, not necessarily the
recent allegation against Kiev junta.)
In other words, Europeans have proved in the past, that they are capable of such things.
so I am inclined to believe that this story is true, unless the Kiev regime can prove otherwise.
For starters, they need to compile a complete audit of the dead, next cough up the bodies
for autopsies, and I think it will come as a surprise to many families, who weren't even
aware their boys were dead, let alone missing their livers and kidneys.
The KLA in Kosovo was guilty of organ trafficking. Carla Del Ponte, the grand Inquisitor
of the ICTY herself made the revelation. I am not surprised that this is going on in Ukraine.
Just as with drugs, the market is there and so are its enablers if *official* western positions.
This is like the resumption of the Heroin trade from Afghanistan after the US removed the
Taliban.
While it certainly
wouldn't
be
the first time,
not even
for Europe, proving it would require stubborn and dedicated pursuit of the issue – because
western governments would do everything they could to stall or derail it, including threatening
investigators with lawsuits and ruin. The kind of dedicated pursuit well-connected professional
organizations such as Human Rights Watch or Amnesty International could deliver, were they
not such shameless whores to western foreign policy.
U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry called on Russia on Thursday to disarm separatists in Ukraine
within "the next hours" as the European Union prepared to discuss deeper sanctions against Moscow.
Washington and other Western powers have stepped up pressure on Russia to take concrete action
to defuse the conflict in eastern Ukraine, where a ceasefire between Russian-speaking rebels and
government forces has appeared to be crumbling.
"We are in full agreement that it is critical for Russia to show in the next hours, literally,
that they're moving to help disarm the separatists, to encourage them to disarm, to call on them
to lay down their weapons and to begin to become part of a legitimate process," Kerry told reporters
in Paris.
He added that EU leaders would discuss possible sanctions on Russia at their summit in Belgium
on Friday.
Washington has said it also has new sanctions ready to go, but Kerry said the United States would
prefer not to be in "sanctions mode" and wanted Russia to take action without pressure.
"We would like to see a cooperative effort between the United States, Europe and Russia and the
Ukrainians," Kerry added.
Separatist rebellions erupted in eastern Ukraine in early April after street protests in Kiev
toppled Moscow-backed leader Viktor Yanukovich, and Russia in turn annexed the Crimean peninsula.
Eastern rebels have called for union with Russia. Moscow denies Western accusations that it has
allowed fighters to cross into Ukraine along with heavy weapons to confront Ukrainian government
forces.
The proposed next round of U.S. and EU sanctions would target Russia's financial, defense and
high-tech industries, said U.S. officials.
MIDDLE EAST CONFLICTS
Kerry is on a tour of capitals in the Middle East and Europe to discuss Ukraine, as well as the
threat to stability in the Middle East from conflicts in Iraq and Syria.
He will meet foreign ministers from the UAE, Jordan and Saudi Arabia in Paris on Thursday. Earlier
he met Lebanon's former Prime Minister Saad al-Hariri and Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman.
The rapid advance of Sunni militants across Iraq threatens to split the country and bring more
turmoil into a region already hit by the civil war in Syria.
Kerry travels to Saudi Arabia on Friday for talks with King Abdullah in Jeddah. The United States
and Saudi Arabia have both been alarmed by the success of the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant,
or ISIL, in Iraq.
U.S. officials have said Kerry will also discuss the possibility of disruptions to global oil
supplies from the Iraq crisis during his meetings in Paris and Jeddah.
Brent crude held steady near $114 a barrel on Thursday as traders watched for possible oil supply
disruptions. Iraq's southern oilfields, which produce most of the nation's 3.3 million barrels a
day, remain safe although the conflict has hit the Baiji refinery in the north.
Check this out,if you're fond of BBC comedies. Now it is not enough that Putin has taken the
use of force officially off the table; no, he must "publicly call on separatists in Ukraine
to lay down their arms". If he won't do it, he is "not respecting Russia's commitments",
and should know that American sanctions can be whistled up "in 10 minutes".
This from warmongering
assclown John Kerry, who announced with pleasure that the Arab nations had agreed to bankroll
an American strike on Syria. Yes, we want it done, Mr.
Gofer Kerry, but you have a lot of missiles
and we only have a lot of money. Do you think we could come to some arrangement?
Having failed to turn the shooting down of the transport aircraft with its invisible 49 servicemen
(plus crew, now, according to slobbering Russophobe Halya Coynash) into the hook on which they
could hang stage 3 sanctions, the Kiev-Washington Axis of Assclownery is giving the shot-down
chopper a try in the same starring role. The federalists, the story goes, broke the ceasefire
and shot down this peaceful helicopter just as it was inbound for Slavyansk with a load of ice
cream for the rebels; it was
even playing the Good Humor
theme, when they callously blew it out of the sky with a dastardly weapon that could
only have come from Russia!!!
How many of Ukraine's MANPADS came from somewhere else? I mean except for the ones the Poles
are giving to Right Sektor, in case Russia invades? That's right; none – their entire stock
came from Russia. The ones stolen by the Maidanuts from Lviv have still never been recovered,
but nobody is worried about those, because they're fairly certain the good guys have got 'em.
Oh, some buildings in Slavyansk have been damaged. Look at those buildings, imagine they're
what's left of your house, and see if you think you would refer to the building as "damaged".
And what was a military chopper full of servicemen doing flying around Slavyansk during a ceasefire?
I'll give you a hint; I was being sarcastic about the ice cream.
Bring on the sanctions, boobs – you know you want to, and are just rooting for an excuse.
Let's see if you can break Russia with western money. I'm betting not. I'm betting your own
business communities will revolt first. This is no more than a frustrated cry, "Putin is winning!!!"
and a scramble to negate that effect somehow, some way, without any thinking on the subject
at all. Obama can press ahead with it because he does not have to worry about re-election. How
many of the rest of you are in the same situation?
Oh, that was yesterday, when he was patient and calm and all diplomatic-like. Today Kerry is
angry and impatient, and
demands that Putin respond "within hours" to American demands. Or face the new round of
sanctions, I presume, which the USA is in such a sweat to impose that if an excuse did not appear
it would simply invent one.
I don't really see myself in the role of prophet, but I predict
he's going to be sorry he said that.
IZVARYNE, Ukraine (AP) - As a shaky cease-fire in the east entered its final hours Thursday, thousands
of Ukrainians in cars stuffed with belongings lined up at the border to cross into Russia, some
vowing never to return.
Many said they were most frightened for their children and desperate to
take them to safety.
Also on Thursday, four of eight observers from the Organization for Security and Co-operation
in Europe who were held hostage in eastern Ukraine were released, the organization said in a news
release.
A commander at the rebel-controlled border post outside the city of Luhansk said 5,000 people
had left by evening, joining a stream that he said has continued unabated during the weeklong truce
that has failed to end the gunfire and shelling.
Russia says tens of thousands of Ukrainians have come in the 2 1/2 months since Ukraine's government
began fighting separatists in the east, a heavily industrial region with a large population of ethnic
Russians, many of whom feel strong ties to Moscow.
Air strikes and artillery attacks by the Ukrainian military have infuriated many residents, and
many crossing the border on Thursday said they were fleeing the fighting, which has killed more
than 400 people since mid-April by the United Nations' estimate.
Those who talked to Associated Press journalists, however, said nothing to indicate that they
supported the armed separatists, who have seized government buildings, declared independence and
asked Russia to annex the region.
With the cease-fire set to expire on Friday, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko called on Russia
to support his peace plan "with deeds, not words." He urged Moscow to stop the flow of fighters
from Russia.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel and U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said they, too, were looking
for more action from Moscow ahead of a summit on Friday of European Union leaders, who will be considering
a new round of sanctions against Russia.
"It is critical for Russia to show in the next hours, literally, that they're moving to help
disarm the separatists, to encourage them to disarm," Kerry said in Paris.
The summit also will see Ukraine sign a sweeping trade agreement with the EU that will bind it
more closely to the West.
Russian President Vladimir Putin has urged Poroshenko to extend the truce and hold talks with
the separatists in the eastern Donetsk and Luhansk regions.
Poroshenko announced Thursday that representatives of the mutinous regions have agreed to talks
with Russian, Ukrainian and European envoys. It will be the second round of talks since Monday in
which the rebel leaders have participated.
Russian news agencies quoted Andrei Purgin, a leader of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's
Republic, as saying the next round would be held Friday in Donetsk.
Poroshenko has shown no willingness to extend the cease-fire, and his next step may hinge on
the outcome of the talks.
It was unclear how many Ukrainians will end up settling in Russia. Russia's migration service
said last week that it had registered the arrival of 90,000 Ukrainians, but few asked for refugee
status, which would oblige them to stay in Russia at least six months.
Many of those at the Izvaryne crossing on Thursday were taking household items, including refrigerators.
One family from a village near Slovyansk, a separatist stronghold that has come under frequent shelling
from the military, said they "hated Ukraine" and would not return.
The rebel commander, who would give only his first name, Alexander, said the flow of refugees
increased whenever there was a spike in hostilities. The day before the cease-fire was announced,
the line to cross the border stretched for 5 kilometers (3 miles).
Even though some rebel groups agreed to observe the cease-fire, Poroshenko said 18 government
troops have been killed this week. Separatist leaders also have reported deaths among rebel fighters.
Meanwhile, Germany announced that it is easing its immigration restrictions for Jews from Ukraine
because of reports of an increase in anti-Semitic incidents since the crisis broke out.
OSCE said in its news release that four of eight of its observers who were kidnapped by pro-Russian
separatists in eastern Ukraine a month ago were released in Donetsk.
In late May, the OSCE lost contact with four monitors from its Donetsk team and four monitors
from its Luhansk team, the organization said. The Luhansk-based team has not yet been released.
The leaders of Russia, Ukraine, Germany and France had agreed on Wednesday in a telephone call
that the hostages should be freed without delay, Chancellor Angela Merkel's spokesman, Steffen Seibert
said.
___
Nataliya Vasilyeva and Lynn Berry in Moscow, Angela Charlton and Lara Jakes in Paris, Juergen
Baetz in Berlin and John-Thor Dahlburg in Brussels contributed to this report.
Ukraine is pretty much on a self destruct path, killing its own people, forcing the industrial
base out of the country, accepting austere conditions from the IMF and EU pushing Russia away.
It is going to be very difficult for these people for at least ten years even if they stopped
fighting today. Prices have doubled with no sight of going down, many have not worked or paid
for months. Winter is coming with no gas for heat, even if they had gas the families can't pay
for it. It will be soon and in some places now a humanitarian disaster. I just do not see how
this all was worth an early election.
j.d. 2 hours ago
If I lived in South-East Ukraine there would be probable cause for me leaving the area. One.
Is possible war, Lack of family and personal safety. Two. Difficulty in obtaining goods and
services ie., utilities, food, gas, medical attention; and Police protection. Third. I am not
really where I belong ie., 'I am not a citizen of the Country where I live'. Fourth. If am allowed
to leave and I am welcomed in another country where I can enjoy more freedom than the one I
am living in.
Denis 3 hours ago
Hi from Russia -- Kolomoiysky, the Ukrainean oligarkh openly says that he is not going to
listen to the Poroshenko's orders about a peace and he is directing new and new paid riff-raffs
to kill the citizens in the eastern regions of Ukraine. He has already his own army of the criminals
and people who are without the work. If you are fighting in his army you can forget about your
credits in the banks. What do you want from the people who are defending their land in the East
? Russia has accepted already more than 500,000 of the refugees from Ukraine. Luckily the rebels
with our help keep the border open. Why people flow to Russia, county-"agressor", but not to
the central and southern regions of Ukraine (only several dozens of thousands of the refugees,
who are now without the food, wather and electricity, and who are biting the elbows now).
I live in Kazan city in the european part of Russia and has accepted already four families
from Ukraine in my countryside house. All of them are Ukraineans, not Russians. My city has
accepted more than six thousands of the refugees. The fact is that the more they tell about
the atrocities of the Ukrainean army in the East of Ukraine, the more guys from our city and
all Russia fly to Ukraine to fight against the Ukrainean fascists. Only from my street i live
on, twelve families accepted people from Ukraine and four guys are fighting in Ukraine. Tons
of any kind of help go to these regions every day only from my city. Can you suppose how many
people from our country are fighting now with the Ukrainean fascist government ?
Poroshenko has no chances, and please tell to the Biden's son that he can put his gas contract
into his father's bum, because all the gas is in the eastern part of Ukraine which is already
Novorossya. I am not writing here how many weapons and thousands of rebelions are already in
the another eastern and southern regions of Ukraine are waiting for an order. But as the leaders
of the Novorossya tell, they will leave a small piece of the land for the Poroshenko's Ukraine
near Poland.
oldgeekMA
I correspond with friends and business partner's in 35 countries, here are some of their
observations, about our present "Foreign Agenda" and the reason the United States has become,
the Most Hated/Distrusted/Disrespected or all 3, country in the world?
--- US Operations under Comrade "Nikita the Liar" Obama's Regime
1. The covert/overt overthrow or attempted overthrow of 17 Sovereign Governments by the USA.
2. The waste of nearly a Trillion dollars, paying, arming, and supplying Islamic Terrorists,
Al Qaeda, ISIS, and the Muslim Brotherhood, to fight wars for us, as mercenaries.
3. The US Government sanctioned assassination of Chris Stevens our Libyan Ambassador, to keep
him from disclosing illegal weapons transfers to Islamic Terrorists by the CIA, in Benghazi.
4. The highly illegal US backed and funded "Coup d'état" in Ukraine which removed a President
that had been elected with 48% of the popular vote in a 4 party election, in favor of Hitler's
Nationalist Socialist Worker's Party that received less than 15%, just to stop a $18 Billion
Russian loan package.
5. The distribution of Billions in US$50 and US$100 fresh new treasury bills, to NGO's, from
US Agency for International Development funds, to promote anti-government actions against Sovereign
Countries around the world. With latest places to see these US bills being Venezuela and Ecuador.
In the past, these bills have been seen in India, Ukraine, Syria, Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Jordan,
Thailand, Kenya, Nigeria, many more, even Russia, during the Sodomite and Lesbian riots.
oldgeekMA 1 hour ago
If EU/NATO/US think, that this ends the resistance movement by "Ukraine's Freedom Fighters",
they are sadly mistaken(as Usual). This is just the beginning of "Unlimited Guerilla War" across
the whole country. Ukraine's People will not, allow this Nationalist Socialist Worker's Party(N.A.Z.I.)
Government exist in their country. These Fascist's are supported by less than 15% of Ukraine's
population, which why they lost the last 3 elections.
Core 3 hours ago
Why Russians should disarm separatists? So that Poroshenko can execute them all? This is
not a conflict where Russia takes part, it is internal conflict that west supported
it was okay when pro-american forces were killing unarmed police, seized buildings, and then
wanted to go and execute people on East, but East stood-up and resisted, it is solely their
power
Russians don't take any part in that conflict, even when recently Urkainian soliders on APC
crossed Russian border and their APC broke on Russian territory, or when recently Ukrainian
Army destroyed Russian Border Control Station, or when almost 99 Ukrainian Border Control ran
into Russia because separatists sqeezed them out towards Russia, by the way - one Russian Customs
Control Officer was wounded, should that kind of behavior happen on Israel/Syrian border - Israel
would already in retaliation kill 100 syrians and bomb most of their infrastructure.
Pray, that official Kremlin doesn't take any sides or participate, because Russian Army will
take full control over Urkaine in less than 48 hours.
pete 5 hours ago
Risky tactic; make things so miserable in the Donbass that the public will pressure the "rebels"
to give it up. If Russia really means it when they say they have no interest in absorbing the
region, then it leaves only the choice of an independent "republic" or back to Ukraine.
I don't think they have the resources to go independent since they receive so much infrastructure
(water, power, etc.) from Ukrainian sources. I can't imagine how Russia will absorb a hundred
thousand refugees long term; in the old days they would just "resettle" them in Siberia.
Sergei Glazyev, an adviser to Putin, told the BBC before the signing that "Europe is trying to
push Ukraine to sign this agreement by force" and said Petro Poroshenko, the president, lacked the
legitimacy to make the deal.
"They organised [a] military coup in Ukraine; they helped Nazis to come to power. This Nazi government
is bombing the largest region in Ukraine." He said he "of course" believed the Ukrainian president
was a Nazi.
The association deal – which Poroshenko signed in Brussels on Friday – does not guarantee eventual
EU membership, but is seen both in the countries themselves and in Moscow as a major step westwards.
It contains measures to synchronise economies with EU nations, as well as improve rule of law and
human rights.
Poroshenko said as he arrived for the signing ceremony that the deal offered Ukraine a fresh
start after years of political instability. "It is a historic day," he said, describing it as the
most important day since independence from Moscow in 1991.
Zoltán Koskovics, 27 June 2014 9:08am
Going.. Going... Sold! ... The new owners are the taxpayers of Europe. Lucky us.
Jeremn -> Zoltán Koskovics, 27 June 2014 10:25am
Yes, the risk will be carried by taxpayers. But at least Igor Kolomoisky is going to profit
big time. It is all about rule of law and anti-corruption right? Well the Ukrainian oligarch
living in Switzerland is about to make a killing (again). His Privatbank stands to benefit enormously
from the IMF loans. As do other banks in Ukraine (most of which are owned by Western banks):
Public reporting by the NBU for the January-May period indicates that a total of UAH 104.8 billion
(about $8 billion) in public funds, including part of the May payment from the IMF, has been
given to the Ukrainian banks under ELA to support their liquidity.
It is all about capitalism.
christopher22 -> RhysGethin, 27 June 2014 9:18am
No - what is scary is that the EU and US are legitimising a neo-Nazi government in Ukraine
Don't get carried away by the be-suited Chokoshenko, the real evil bastards are still in
the top jobs in Kiev and the Right Sector thugs are now wearing Ukrainian Army uniforms and
calling theselves the National Guard (for National Guard read SS) .
This situation can only ever get much worse
stuperman -> christopher22, 27 June 2014 9:25am
''legitimising a neo-Nazi government in Ukraine''. Nonsense. What is it that makes it ''neo-Nazi''?
This label has been placed on it and reposted but none of you explain why?
Zoltán Koskovics -> stuperman, 27 June 2014 9:30am
A) svaboda and parubiy are neo nazis
B) they have seats in the government
C) the other ministers work in tandem with them Conclusion: yatz's govt is a coalition of neo nazis and neo nazi collaborators.
Pls argue with either points or the conclusion.
Матвей Тарасов -> stuperman, 27 June 2014 10:58am
What is it that makes it ''neo-Nazi''? This label has been placed on it and reposted
but none of you explain why?
chry5anth -> Zoltán Koskovics, 27 June 2014 11:51am
Coalition politics means extreme and antipolitics parties don't shape policy, but merely
at best are able to be 'veto players'. The necessity of governing means you form coalitions
with parties with whose policies you disagree and which will never be implemented, in order
to block the policies of those in an opposing coalition which stand a real chance of being implemented
but for your coalition. This doesn't make all members of each coalition identical or even slightly
similar to one another.
This is of course something Russians would realise, if Russia was a country in which politics
took place.
MJMaguire, 27 June 2014 9:15am
I agree with him. So did most of the world until the West began airbrushing these people
into the "acceptable" face of fascism. Even earlier this year, before the crisis blew up, BBC
was alerting the public to the hard-right core driving the political agenda in Ukraine. Glazyev
is also correct in suggesting that Europe has accepted a Frankenstein - the idea of Ukraine
becoming a part of the EU proper is a nightmare in prospect.
MJMaguire KyivBear, 27 June 2014 9:24am
There are indeed plenty of fascists in the EU - but nothing to match the overt Nazism of
Kiev. In spite of the Guardian and media spin this, many people throughout Western Europe
are horrified by the legitimisation of a Nazi regime. BBC copies and pastes nothing from the
Kremlin - it is purely in the control of the British political establishment, which is run by
the US.
MJMaguire -> stuperman, 27 June 2014 9:30am
It is a lot more endemic than you appear to think - the media has dropped the furore surrounding
the World Cup in Ukraine 4 years ago, when the extremist nature of Ukrainian nationalism
was a real concern: no-one in the media mentions this now: it is the elephant in the room no-one
will look at. The head of the Interior Ministry - even the title of that is redolent with Nazi
connotations - is a self-professed Nazi. The "norms" of the EU are becoming ever more ragged
at the edges: make no mistake about it: a Nazi state has just gained legitimacy in Western Europe.
It is a grave day for the West.
Zoltán Koskovics -> stuperman, 27 June 2014 9:32am
No no, one was replaced. Three svaboda members and one count of Parubiy are in the current
govt.
meleze, 27 June 2014 9:25am
The point is that Russia itself never hesitated to ally with the same Nazi. The most famous
episode of its alliance is of course the Hitler/Stalin's pact. But after the war, occupiing
the most extended aera of Germany Russia was stealing the militaries secrets of the Nazis. Then
Putin met Schroder and behind him a huge part of the German economic leaders, such as WW located
in Wolfsburg the former Soviet area that allow the renewal of the present WW might though it
has been cooperating with Hitler. It seams that the deal with Ukrain is inside the deal previously
made with Germany. Russia can't forbidden to Ukrain the deal it has being made before.
Robert Sandlin -> meleze, 27 June 2014 9:34am
The US snagged most of the nazi's to work for them after the war.The USSR,Britain,and France
picked up a few.But by far the lion's share set up housekeeping in the USA.
wombatman -> meleze, 27 June 2014 9:41am
And which 2 countries handed over Sudetenland to Hitler? Britain and France wasn't it? And
what about a certain piece of paper a certain PM brought back - Chamberlain/Hitler pact you
would call it.
Charliedaz -> meleze, 27 June 2014 9:44am
Stalin signed a non-aggression pact with Hitler in order to buy time. This did not make him
an ally of Nazi Germany any more than the Munich Agreement made Chamberlain an ally of Hitler.
Regarding the " stealing" of German military secrets, who was responsible for America's post
war rocket programme? Oh yes, it was a bunch of Nazis, conveniently forgiven for their involvement
in the V1 and V2 programmes, both of which used slave labour.
Isotropisch, 27 June 2014 9:48am
This whole "nazi" "fascist" narrative is completely tired. Russia needs a new angle. The
far right presidential candidates received next to no share of the vote but the Russians still
keep going.
The aim is to convince the ethnic russians that the ukrainian govt has their extermination
as a goal, thereby making those in the east think their options are Russia or death.
Robert Sandlin -> Isotropisch, 27 June 2014 9:56am
Gosh, why would anybody believe that. You think its maybe the bombs dropping on their
heads making people think that. Or maybe scenes like these in Kiev. That make people think they
are nazis on the loose:
Yeah - the others are just nice guys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc5bOGgWgTM
Both sides have beaten people, and both sides have killed people. It doesn't mean anyone
is a Nazi.
Manolo Torres -> Isotropisch, 27 June 2014 11:38am
A video from Euromaidan PR...probably not biased, and probably there was not a fight between
two groups but the vicious Russians started beating the others without any apparent reason.
Be careful where you get your videos, those guys are still spreading the idea that the people
in Odessa burnt themselves.
Vitali Sklifus, 27 June 2014 9:52am
Who wants a country that is already up to their neck in debt? EU is not doing that great.
If UK will go out sooner or later it will cripple. People should not have to pay or suffer for
that. There should be referendum for people of EU countries to vote for this kind of deals to
be signed.
Scipio1 -> Vitali Sklifus, 27 June 2014 10:05am
The USA, provided it can get its vassals in the EU to foot the bill.
Scipio1, 27 June 2014 10:00am
as well as improve rule of law and human rights.
And do/will these 'human rights' extend to the people of the Eastern Ukraine. The rhetoric
doesn't sit well with the bombing and shelling of civilians in the Don Bass. But, oh, I am forgetting,
according to the ineffable Mr Yatsenyuk these people are sub-humans and therefore don't qualify
for human rights or anything human at all.
Carry on bombing, shelling, collective punishment and ethnic cleansing - Washington approved.
mary8stewart, 27 June 2014 10:10am
Look at the way the Kiev regime does nothing to stop the illegal 'army' from west Ukraine
killing civilians in east Ukraine. Is that fascist!!???
MrSvejk, 27 June 2014 10:15am
the Right Sector helped the Coup d'etat overthrow the elected Ukraine government so its true
to say the US and their EU gimps are in bed with Nazi's, the long term plan is to provoke war
with Russia, and keep Europe weak like the Middle East, America is bankrupt, and it only has
its war machine to hold onto world power
DomesticExtremist, 27 June 2014 10:16am
Russia has expended huge energy in its attempts to coerce Ukraine into joining its rival
Eurasian Union
Really? Not nearly as much energy as the US and EU
they actually organised a fascist coup against the
democratically elected president.
PeterSchmidt, 27 June 2014 10:18am
I think in this year the US has completely lost the plot. It has become a law unto itself.
Now Obama is sending another 500 billion to 'moderate' rebels in Syria to keep the blood flowing.
The BBC 'agrees' with him. There is no independent media left. The only place left we can share
ideas is the Guardian.
I really wonder what the other half of the year bring. War in the middle east, war in Europe?
One thing is for certain. The US never brings 'democracy' for any country for free. It enslaves
with its banking institutions for life. There won't be a way out for the Ukrainians.
richard1 -> PeterSchmidt, 27 June 2014 10:23am
Think you're on the wrong thread here.
Article about Russia/Ukraine !
CarrotsRus -> richard1, 27 June 2014 10:35am
I think PeterSchmidt is making a general comment on USA Foreign policy - so Ukraine would
come under that umbrella. However, he does have his numbers wrong, it should read 500 million.
I take it he´s German - a translation error - I think we nevertheless understand his reference.
annette83, 27 June 2014 10:21am
But considering that Poroshenko did not stop bombings of towns and villages with civilians
in them, I would say Glazyev is right. The facts that Russian speaking people are being harassed
tight now in Ukraine, and that Poroshenko's philosophy is characterized by hatred towards Russians
as an ethnical group, are distinctive features of nazists, whether you like it or not.
putin_the_fabulous -> annette83, 27 June 2014 10:24am
He's responding as any leader would to a separatist insurgency in his country, ethnicity
has nothing to do with it!
annette83 -> putin_the_fabulous, 27 June 2014 10:29am
No. He promised ceasefire, and he did not keep his promise. No leader would bomb houses or
schools. Not a human one. No leader would allow "private" military mini-armies rule the country
and do and kill whoever they want to. Have you any idea how many children or women died over
the past months in the East of Ukraine??
And how about Syria? Now US are supporting the rebels in Syria. So how are Syrian rebels
different from East Ukrainian ones?
drobin, 27 June 2014 10:27am
Anyone using the term Nazi in anything but a historical context should be made to define
their meaning of the word. These days it often seems to read as "a person I disagree with".
Robert Sandlin drobin, 27 June 2014 10:40am
How about guys that work with these guys. Is that good enough for you:
Allow me to help you: Roger Griffin describes fascism as "a genus of political ideology whose
mythic core in its various permutations is a palingenetic form of populist ultranationalism".
There are many variations of fascism (aka Nazism) but the main identifying feature is ultranationalism,
with a ruthless determination to remove or subdue ethnic opposition.
In the present case, Glazyev's description seems completely apt. Many of the other familiar
hallmarks of fascism - symbolism, reliance of strong right-wing ultranationalist mititia-groups
are plentiful in evidence. The epithet does seem to fit the Ukrainian Kiev regime like a glove.
Olga Makarova(Note: this is a typical bot; Female Joined:
27 Jun 2014, two comments) June 27, 2014 10:30am
Their talent to lie in front of public and to foreign journalists is outstanding. And
to change their mind: once they admit Poroshenko as a President, now they are back to disagree
with that. I understand why Baltics are so strict about Russia and Russians.
Arapas -> Olga Makarova, 27 June 2014 10:39am
I understand why Baltics are so strict about Russia and Russians.
STRICT?
you mean oppressed no doubt.
But for how long are they going to be "strict" with 30% of their population.
When the pressure rises inside the cooker, the lid will fly off.
Anette Mor -> Olga Makarova, 27 June 2014 10:51am
How is your statement is not racist? You think marginilised ethnic russian kids have
to pay for "crimes" of thier nation?
EbbTide64, 27 June 2014 11:15am
A senior adviser to Vladimir Putin has called the Ukranian president a "Nazi"
As Poroshenko is still funding and arming the neo-Nazis who incinerated 40 innocent people
in Odessa, instead of bringing them to justice, the Russian adviser's description looks pretty
accurate. If Poroshenko doesn't want to be called a Nazi, then stop supporting neo-Nazis.
Ciarán Here, 27 June 2014 11:30am
700 bases in 130 countries Hitler could not have imagined such hegemonic power
along the control of the media to stay on message.
PeterSchmidt, 27 June 2014 11:36am
One last comment before going to bed (it's 8.30 pm in Australia).
Ukraine has changed its mind several times over. I would not be surprised it Ukraine in 6 months
time would dance back.
The reason Yanukovich changes his mind (and he was not a Russian stooge, he was
a US protege) is that the conditions were so unfavourable to Ukrainians he hadn't got the guts
to carry through with the task.
Trudi Goater -> PeterSchmidt, 27 June 2014 11:42am
You could be right, once it becomes clear how this agreement will hurt the wages
of ordinary people there and the winter arrives with energy problems, prices through the roof
etc the maiden will gather again and they will kick him out
UralMan, 27 June 2014 11:38am
Glazyev is an idiot. This is the only conclusion I can come to as given his position
one cannot assume that he simply is ignorant. There was a strong nationalistic undercurrent
in Maidan, no doubt about it. One can even say that the most viable parts of the protestors
were those nationalistic paramilitaries and they were on the forefront. If not for their ruthlessness
and readiness to shed blood, Maidan would still be peacefully protesting against Yanukovich
with no avail. Indirectly, Glazyev is right, but only partially – the revolution became a success
in Kiev because of actions of violent youth a good chunk of which could be described as having
the ideology close to Nazism.
Some of them are still in the government (the most odious one is Yarosh, the head
of Security Council). But Glazyev is definitely wrong in smearing the vast majority of the Maidan
participants with the same brush. Poroshenko, Yatsenyuk, etc (with all my personal disagreement
with them) are not Nazi.
BangTheDrums , 27 June 2014 11:40am
Petro 'Milosevic' Poroshenko doing what he does best:
Ethnic cleansing in action. It is disgusting that the EU is even talking to him at this point
in time, they should have hauled him into the Hague to answer to these war crimes.
PeterSchmidt -> BangTheDrums, 27 June 2014 11:44am
EU can hardly wait to steal what's left of Ukraine. All those soon to be retired
public servants in the west soon need their superannuation/retirement money and the coffers
are empty.
Robert Sandlin -> BangTheDrums, 27 June 2014 12:36pm
As I mentioned before it is up to East Ukrainians to exact retribution on him for
his crimes.Not the Hague.That is a new concept.The old methods are tried and true.
PeterSchmidt, 27 June 2014 11:43am
Poroshenko's only interest lies with the EU and the US. He doesn't care one
iota about ordinary Ukrainians. If he would've he hadn't signed that agreement.
CrumpsallLass, 27 June 2014 11:47am
Ukraine doesn't have a mandate for this. Their president was against it so a coup
was organised. So a referendum should be held over all of Ukraine first as to whether they should
have closer ties with the EU dictatorship. They wont because they know they are unlikely to
have a majority in favour in a democratic ballot. The neo-nazi western Ukraine has shown that
it ignores democratic will of the people in the East by sending in the right sector thugs in
the east.
BangTheDrums -> ChaoLe, 27 June 2014 12:07pm
Who is going to bring to justice the mass-murder members of the Kiev government
that allowed the Odessa massacre to go ahead? Even the UN is describing a 'lack of co-operation'
from Ukrainian SBU and Police in getting to the bottom of this - ie its a cover up as we all
know.
Or the killing of innocent people in Donbas?
You are right - Civilized people DO want a world where murderers like Yats and Poroshenko
are bought to justice...
EbbTide64 -> martyjar, 27 June 2014 12:24pm
The neo-Nazi Svoboda party still have ministers in the Ukrainian government.
The neo-Nazi Right Sector nutters, who committed the Odessa mass murder, are being paid and
armed by the Ukrainian government.
The whole Ukrainian regime is extreme. And the EU and US helped to put these extremists into
power.
martyjar, 27 June 2014 12:15pm
It's remarkable news though – clearly the invasions, annexation, and blackmail
would make other countries even keener to pull away from Russian influence towards the West,
but I didn't expect both Georgia and Moldova to make such a public show of all three going together.
The Guardian has some coverage yesterday of the other states closely aligned with Russia - Belarus
and Kazakhstan – having some concerns, but I don't think there's anything in that. It does however
look like even more countries formerly under Russian influence are never likely to come back.
PeterSchmidt -> martyjar, 27 June 2014 12:19pm
Never say never and don't bite off more than you can chew.
martyjar -> PeterSchmidt, 27 June 2014 12:27pm
Great knowledge of English idiom there.
However other countries formerly under Russian influence have got further and further away from
them – the likes of Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Poland, Bulgaria, East Germany etc. etc. Generally
modernizing rapidly, and prospering as a result.
I very much hope that within a couple of centuries Russia has developed to the
extent that these countries move back towards them, as that would mean Russia has got rid of
it's autocracy.
Fulfilling a promise he made during his campaign for the Ukrainian presidency, Petro Poroshenko
today
signed a landmark association agreement with the European Union. This was the exact same document
that Viktor Yanukovych was supposed to sign back in November before his last-minute reversal
of course set off a string of mass protests that eventually culminated in his overthrow. Starting
in the very near future, Ukraine-EU trade is going to undergo a sweeping liberalization, and the
Ukrainian economy, which earlier enjoyed fairly robust tariff and non-tariff barriers, will become
much more open to foreign goods and services.
Surprising precisely no one, the Russian government reacted to the Ukrainian move with barely-disguised
fury. The foreign ministry promised unspecified "serious
consequences," and also warned the Ukrainians
that "as before, we think that the conclusion of such an agreement will harm the Russian economy"
and will lead to a "halt in economic and trade cooperation." Given Russian actions over the
past several months, it would be exceedingly unwise to assume that these sorts of warnings are merely
empty rhetoric. The Russians have repeatedly threatened to change Ukraine's trade status if
and when it signs the agreement (Ukraine currently enjoys preferential access to the Russian market),
and it seems likely that new limitations on Ukrainian exports to Russia will soon be introduced.
Aping a Winston Churchill quote, it is now possible to say that we have seen the "end of the
beginning" of Ukraine's march towards Europe. The fight that has completely consumed Ukrainian politics
for much of the past year, the disagreement that got dozens of innocent people killed and a president
overthrown, is now over. The EU association agreement has been signed.
The real question is what happens next, and that is where the real fight lies. Unfortunately,
all of the negotiations that have happened so far are actually comparatively easy compared to the
difficulty of actually implementing the details of the association agreement. The agreement,
after all, is just a piece of paper.
Signing it doesn't magically solve all of Ukraine's serious economic, social, and political
problems, doesn't make any trade barriers disappear, and doesn't put European products on the shelves
of Ukrainian supermarkets. As just one example among many, the association agreement says that
Ukraine needs to end natural gas subsidies. That sounds easy enough in theory. There is a reason,
however, that these subsidies have endured throughout the first two decades of Ukraine's post-Soviet
independence despite repeated promises to bring them to a halt: they're enormously popular not only
among consumers but, even more importantly, among the politically powerful oligarchs who control
Ukraine's heavy industry. Perhaps it's possible that Poroshenko can find a way to do something that
no other post-Soviet Ukrainian president has been able to, but such a struggle will carry enormous
political risks and could very easily end up bringing his poll numbers crashing down to earth.
The association agreement has always been seen in highly politicized and symbolic terms as a
"civilizational choice" in which Ukraine would be able to leave behind its dark, eastern past and
march forward into the safety and comfort of the European Union. This was a huge mistake. In reality
the association agreement has nothing to do with culture or history and is much more basic: a highly
technocratic bit of economic liberalization. There is no "European" way to end gas subsidies,
and no "civilized" way to cut pensions. These steps are either taken or they are avoided. Since
economic liberalization is not very popular in Ukraine, since Ukrainians continues to express extremely
left-wing economic views, the struggle to implement free trade is likely to be long and nasty. And
the Russians, of course, will continue to do their best to convince Ukraine that it has made the
wrong choice.
In other words the fight to make Ukraine a part of Europe isn't over, it's barely started.
I shudder to even think how bad things will get if the minimum Russian wage is at the
level of the former average wage in Crimea. Ladies and gentlemen, lets start our bets.
When will the association agreement drop the Ukranian living standards enough to cause another
coup? Do I hear August? Perhaps December when the heating season begins……
Ukraine Army is laying minefields in civilian and uncontested areas. These fields are unmarked.
Confirmed loses of civilians and livestock in the minefields.
Does the frantic, over-the-top action of the US in Ukraine suggest that the Anglo empire has
largely abandoned the longer term and much more invasive war against Russia using NGO's, oligarchs,
and militant Islamic jihadists?
If so, this is a major victory by Russia. And the battles are now being fought outside of
Russia which is definitely progress. So, my admitted optimistic take is that Russia is driving
back the empire rather than the empire advancing to the Russian border.
Oligarchs are either under Putin's control, playing by Putin's rules or staying neutral. Islamic
Jihadism was on the decline after those idiots harassed the Chechen Elders, who turned against
them, Putin wisely supported that turn, and that was that. And the NGOs were mostly declawed
in the wake of their Ossetian War coverage. Then again, if they cannot realize that August 7th
comes before August 8th… anyways, they've been largely ineffective since 2008-2010; it's not
really news. The West has no real levers against Russia or China, and I doubt that they have
any big ones against any SCO members, which is why there's a rush of countries that want into
SCO, including Iran. On top of that, the Russians and Chinese are perfectly positioned for the
ASEAN shift, while the West is still playing with Ukraine. In Ukraine Obama lost initiative
on the ASEAN shift. With the Iraq War, the West lost the Middle East.
It's a new World that we live in. If the Russo-Chinese Alliance became the World's Playmaker
within a decade, I wouldn't be surprised one bit. And that's what the private companies are
trying to tell the governments; that's why they're against sanctions.
You are right, all the old cold war propaganda tropes are useless. The western media still tries
to use them but ends up looking like a collection of clowns. For example, "state run media", "repression
of dissidents", "lack of political and economic freedom". Anyone with a clue can turn these claims
back on the barking dogs that spread them.
I wonder what sort of credibility "Human Rights Watch"
and "Amnesty International" have in Russia (and elsewhere) after their brazen disregard fro the
atrocities perpetrated by the NATO backed Kiev regime? If they lost credibility back in 2008, then
they have totally lost it now.
Funny how one hears a lot about the Molotov-Ribbentrop non-aggression pact in comments in
the Western press concerning the Evil Empire and its tyrannical leader, but seldom, if ever,
anything about the German-Polish Non-Aggression Pact of 1934.
One smart-arse in today's Grauniad comments section at the foot of an agency report on the
"peace" proposals made by Choco-Wasserman (where's Tin Tin, I wonder?) asks whether Russia will
commemorate the outbreak of WWII on September 1st this year or September 17th, the latter date
being when the USSR "invaded" Poland.
Actually, starting on September 17th 1939, the USSR annexed Belorussian and Ukrainian territories
that had been taken as a result of Pilsudski's invasion that launched the Polish-Soviet War,
1919 -1921.
In fact, yesterday, 22nd June, Russia commemorated the outbreak of the Great Patriotic War
1941-1945, which war is usually labelled in the West as "The Eastern Front" of WWII, that bloody
conflict having started in the summer of 1941 at 4 a.m on June 22nd, that day in each year in
the northern hemisphere which has the longest hours of daylight and is, therefore, most suitable
for implementing a well organized surprise attack leading to mass slaughter. It was also the
conflict that led to the downfall of fascism in Europe; all the rest of hostilities in the European
theatre of WWII were sideshows: the Soviet Union decided who the victors would be; the Western
allies' participation in European theatre of WWII only decided when that victory would come
about.
In 1938 Ribbentrop proposed that this German-Polish non-aggression pact be renewed but Poland
refused to accept its new terms, which refusal led to its unilateral abrogation by Hitler on
April 28, 1939, during an address before the Reichstag, wherein Germany renewed its territorial
claims in Poland.
Four months later, Germany invaded Poland on September 1, 1939, initiating World War II,
a conflict during which an estimated 5.6 to 5.8 million Poles fell victim to Nazi aggression.
Here's another pact with the beastly Hun that also seems to have vanished down the Western
selective memory hole:
The German-Polish Non-Aggression Pact is conveniently forgotten, if not down right
suppressed because it is contrary to the official sanction narrative of evil villainous Russians/Moskalis
and innocent victim Poland.
Regarding Sikorksi's coarse comments about the worthless US-Polish relationships, I am amazed
that he of all people said this. Because Sikorski is the archetypal Atlanticist and doyen of
the Polish Pro-Americanism. I wonder how is wife the rabid anti-Russian biggot and propagandists
for US hegemony Anne Applebaum will view her husband's derisive comments?
It will be interesting to know how Edward Lucas, who always raves about Poland will react
to Sikorski revealing the true value of US friendship?
Edward Lucas predictably is already concocted a conspiracy theory blaming Russia to explain
Sikorski's lapse of truth.
yalensis: June 23, 2014 at 3:47 am
I guess every man, even a whore like Sikorski, has his limit at a certain point. He will give
just so many blow jobs, before he gets tired of giving unrequited blow jobs.
"The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself,
without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the
conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, and intolerable" – H.L.
Mencken
Poles are notorious martyrs who milk their misfortunes for all their worth. (Does anyone remember
that they invaded and annexed Lithuania, Czechoslovakia, Ukraine, and Belarus?) Sikorski's "woe-is-me"
act could net him the foreign affairs job, so I wouldn't be surprised if he leaked it himself.
"Does anyone remember that they invaded and annexed Lithuania, Czechoslovakia, Ukraine, and Belarus?"
I've just had an altercation in the Grauniad comments over that issue after having received a rejoinder
to a comment I made about the German-Polish Non-Aggression Pact of 1934.
I was accused of being a Stalinist revisionist.
My original comment was as follows:
Funny how one hears a lot about the Molotov-Ribbentrop Non-Aggression Pact in these comments
concerning the Evil Empire and its tyrannical leader, but seldom, if ever, anything about the the
German-Polish Non-Aggression Pact of 1934.
In 1938 Ribbentrop proposed that this non-aggression pact be renewed but Poland refused to accept
its new terms, which refusal led to its unilateral abrogation by Hitler on April 28, 1939, during
an address before the Reichstag, wherein Germany renewed its territorial claims in Poland.
Four months later, Germany invaded Poland on September 1, 1939, initiating World War II, a
conflict during which an estimated 5.6 to 5.8 million Poles fell victim to Nazi aggression.
Amongst the conditions that Poland refused was the handing over of Danzig to Germany.
The response was:
Difference is that German-Polish Non-Aggresion pact was real -non-aggresion pact, when Molotov-Ribbentrop
pact included secret protocol (not so non-aggresive) about dividing Finland,Romania, Poland and
Baltic States between German and Russians.
Indeed subtle difference.
(The absence of articles and other grammatical errors lead me to believe that the above comment
was written by a Pole or a Ukrainian.)
Not so non-aggressive indeed, but the non-aggression concerned the two parties to the pact, not
other states.
My rejoinder:
The relevance is this: endlessly the USSR is accused of being an ally of the Nazis in that
it had a non-aggression pact with Germany from 23 August 1939 until June 22 1941.
Nobody, however, accuses Poland of having been an ally of Nazi Germany, albeit that the German
Polish Non-Aggression Pact was in force from 26 January 1934 until April 28 1939.
So the counter-accusations came flying at me: the USSR was in cahoots with Hitler in divvying
up Europe etc. whereas Poland had not been of this mind etc.
Dear, nice, kind suffering Poland – which was, to all intents and purposes at the time, a military
dictatorship, was quasi-fascistic for want of a better term, perhaps, as were the Baltic States
and Finland.
Poland swiftly annexed part of Czechoslovakia after Hitler had seized the Sudetenland: that was
when Poland and Germany had a non-aggression pact. In fact, Poland between the wars had become quite
the dab-hand at seizing territory. In 1919 it seized Vilnius and its surroundings, which city was
the capital of newly created at Versailles state of Lithuania, claiming that Vilnius (Wilno) was
a Polish city and had always been so. (Shades of Danzig, not to mention the Crimea and Sevastopol
– but the beastly Russians seized those last two places so: Boo! Fie!)
Furthermore, in the Polish-Soviet War of 1919-1921, Poland attacked former territories of Imperial
Russia, which were then in the throes of a post-revolution civil war, reaching as far as and occupying
Kiev. (Rzeczpospolita Polska shall live again! Isn't that what Blow-Job and others of like mind
want now?)
In the end, Sikorski's Poland ended up with Belorussian and Ukrainian territories, which territories
were those that the USSR occupied when it invaded "Poland" on 17 September 1939 – a fortnight and
more after Hitler's Blitzkrieg had been launched against Poland and the fighting was all but over
bar the shouting.
The secret protocols of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Non-Aggression Pact also included the annexation
of Bessarabia by the USSR.
When the West throws the shit at Russia as regards these protocols, the talk is always about
the Baltic States: few mention the fate of Bessarabia, let alone know where it was.
Bessarabia was seized in the 19th century by the Russian Empire from the Ottomans as a result
of Holy Russia's repeated wars against the Turks in its role as protector of Orthodoxy. Bessarabia
then became part of Romania in 1919 as a result of the treaty of Versailles. (Bessarabia had already
been invaded by the Romanians in 1918. Russia was punished by the allies at Versailles for throwing
in the towel in 1917.)
According to the secret protocols of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, Bessarabia went back to the
inheritor of the Russian Empire, namely the USSR. Bessarabia then became part of the Ukrainian and
Moldavian Soviet Socialist Republics.
In 1991, both these SSRs became independent states: The Ukraine (or "Ukraine" as Ukrainian English
grammarians would have it) and Moldova. Then there was a break-away from Moldova of those Molovan
territories east of the Dniester, which territories now style themselves as Transnistria.
Moldova does not recognize Transnistria and wants it back.
And Romania wants Bessarabia back.
And guess what? Dear, nice, kind democratic "Ukraine" won't give Bessarabia back, even though
the Ukraine in its earlier existence as the UkSSR last got hold of it thanks to the infamous secret
protocols of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Non-Aggression Pact.
So that pillar of freedom and democracy in Eastern Europe much lauded and supported by the USA
ad the EU claims its right of possession to disputed territories seized as a result of the Soviet
Union having made a "pact with the devil", namely when the UkSSR together with the USSR was part
of an "ally of the Nazis"
They translated as "suckers" what I incorrectly
translated above (Polish to English via Russian) as "gigolos".
"Suckers" is better and also kind of apropos.
"Patsies" would also be a good choice, I think.
marknesop: June 23, 2014 at 8:25 pm
That's a terrible look for Sikorski; I did not realize his forehead had become a fivehead, and I
recommend he both grow his forelock a little and ease up on the goose grease, or salo or whatever
he is using to hold his rebellious hair captive. I sincerely hope Mrs. Lucas did not see that photo,
or she'll be looking for a new name for her vibrator.
Ever notice that whenever the Russians – or whoever is behind this torrent of juicy recorded
peccadilloes – release another clip of embarrassment, that government immediately circles the wagons
and complains that it is a Russian plot to destabilize the government? That way, the electorate
is supposed to love and treasure its government even more for its boorish profanity and graceless
Sopranos-style speech? Let's show the Russians they can't win, by being even more loyal to the government!!!
Meanwhile there is no discussion of what was said, because politicians are "entitled to their privacy".
Only imagine the glee with which the western press would dissect and promote and gobble about a
recorded conversation between Putin and Medvedev which was full of vulgarities and dissing of, say,
Lukashenko. Or Putin referring to the Chinese as "Chinks" or some other slur. It would be the stuff
of late-night talk show TV for weeks. Further imagine how far the same networks would let Putin
go with a defense that it was just provocateurs attempting to destabilize the Russian government.
They still go into foamy nutcase convulsions over that "Soviet Union collapse biggest tragedy" thing,
and they don't even repeat what he actually said in that instance.
In the end on Friday, June 27, should take place solemn the signing of an economic part of the
Association agreement between Brussels and Kyiv.
Immediately thereafter, in early July, Brussels will become a place of holding a conference
of donor countries for Ukraine.
And that's not all: EU for several weeks is preparing a special expert of the mission in Ukraine.
The police, the judiciary, security forces and the whole security sector of the country will be
thoroughly checked by experts from the EU, and then reformed.
The authors of this video consider alliance of Oligarch Poroshenko with far right forces was connected
with his Presidential ambitions. He decided that only West can make him President and serving as cash
cow for the USA will be rewarded. By some estimate he spend hundred million on propelling Maidan violence
making him second most important sponsor of EuroMaidan after the West embassies.
The President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko (on photo) excludes the assignment of the Russian language
state status, emphasizing that the only constitutional state language in Ukraine was, is and will
be Ukrainian. He said this in the framework of "days of dialogue of representatives of bodies of
local self-government and bodies of state power" in Kyiv, the correspondent of RBC-Ukraine.
"I
want to concentrate on the most sensitive issues. Decentralization implies the empowerment of regions,
including in matters of historical memory, cultural traditions and language policy. I don't want
that language and cultural issues are divided the country and are raised by politicians to annoy
people. It is your authority and you must determine which songs to sing, monuments to which to lay
the flowers and what language to speak. But the only constitutional state language was, is and will
be Ukrainian," said Poroshenko.
Let's remind, Poroshenko has promised to submit the new draft Constitution to the Verkhovna Rada
on June 26,
Almost four months have passed since the day that Ukraine had the coup. During this time, the
new authorities failed to do anything unless the election, and that with the help of questionable
legitimacy of the procedure, a new President. The new President has made a few statements, but has
not taken no meaningful action.
The economy continues to be ruined, no gas, now also in the pipeline exploded. Military-technical
exports to Russia are closed, and this was the only stable article monetary incomes of the Ukrainian
budget. And in the South-East of the country there is a real war, in which Ukraine looks of it spends
the few resources that she still remained. Including, of course, and reputational resource - never
before the authorities of any country in the modern world not kill and detained many foreign journalists.
And here in this situation happened national disaster, in an atmosphere paralysed and incapable,
ogrisauga the last effort of the state and the collapsing of the country, the self-proclaimed Prime
Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk finally found the root of evil. Found those who blame. And if you think
that Russia and Russians - you are wrong.
No, all was at fault... the citizens of Ukraine! Because, believe it or not, spend too much energy.
And energy-that flew into the dead end of its historical development, Ukraine is just not enough.
What is the irrational waste of energy? - you will ask. Perhaps that Ukrainians burned tires
on the street instead of burning them in their apartments and, thus, to warm them? Or that they
spend so much precious petrol to pour it in bottles and burn with these bottles are so lacking now
policemen or those who are against the Maidan?
No. The thing is that Ukrainians are open in the winter window. And this in Ukraine.
"We will never get off the energy of the needle, " said Arseniy Yatsenyuk, speaking in Parliament,
- If we are to open in the winter window to the apartments was cooler."
Well, I'm glad it was finally clear. And the main thing - it is clear what to do. One has to
give the militants "Right sector" nails and hammers, and may they go on apartments and boarded up
in them open. Until the winter there is still time, and, you see, no one in Ukraine will not be
able to open the Windows. Even if they want to. And then she could try to get off the energy of
the needle.
But it is only in the case, of course, if Ukraine will manage to live till winter.
It seems that expectations of even inferior peace in Donbass, which appeared in connection with
the start of the negotiations between the representatives of the DND and LNR on the one hand and
representatives of Kiev, on the other, collapsed, unable to become anything but a hope. However,
if you think about it, this is a natural result, and it can't be otherwise.
In fact, who represented Kiev? Kiev sent to Donetsk as a negotiator Leonid Kuchma, who has a
some historical importance as former President, rather than real political weight. He is zero in
the changed line of Ukrainian politicians. What are his real powers? Listen and pass the information?
Next - the OSCE representative, which is also unlikely to have any serious impact on a mix bag
of Ukrainian authorities, which are only declaring the after-elections unity under the shadow of
the new President, and actually fighting and eating each-other with persistence that is almost superhuman.
It seems that for Kiev authorities the war in Donbass is the best outcome - and fiercer is this
war, the better, because all blunders and stealing can be written off on it. And they can safely
tear each other in a mortal fight for the control of dwindling financial flows and territory. Fight
in Somali into which is rapidly converting Ukraine.
The role of Medvedchuk and Shufrych also not very clear in this story. Their role has been presented
as a role of intermediaries that persuaded both sides to meet and start the negotiations But why
they got the role? Well, the Medvedchuk - is somehow connected to Putin. And Shufrych is a longtime
ally of Medvedchuk. But this is not enough to solve something. Most likely, their real goal was
akin to the task Kuchma, to hear, to see, to pass information. Only to the President of another
country.
Zurabov... He probably attended only to give at least some weight to the event. The event, which
in advance was doomed to be failure.
And the problem, by the way, is not even in full discrepancy between the initial positions of
negotiators from Kyiv and from rebel Donbass, and that Kiev... really does not exit.
Yes, there is no official Kyiv in the sense of something common, some level of political unity.
And when you ask with whom you can negotiate in the Donbass, referring to the absence of a clear
central authority among "Republicans", people somehow forget to ask the same question in relation
to Kiev.
Did Tymoshenko and her team of extremists died after Poroshenko election victory? Or may be Kolomoisky
agreed on the role of a Peter Poroshenko puppet? And, what would be the most funny, far right forces
lost interests in what is happening with the so-called national revolution, where the adjective
"national" should probably be replaced with the adjective "neo-Nazi"? Such questions are many. And
certainly Poroshenko, in fact, received not Mace, but a whole bunch of difficult to solve problems,
begins to realize events develop not as who he expected. It is even possible that he begins to think
over where his place in the rapid stream of events and personalities of this constantly changing
reality show...
And another thing is that Kiev missed the time for negotiations Kiev. And not once. Odessa "Khatyn",
which quickly morphed (or maybe was designed this way) into brutal "pacification" operation of South
East with strikes against unarmed people using tanks artillery and aviation. This so called anti-terrorist
operation quickly turned into fascist punitive operation with the attacks on the unarmed people
and infrastructure of Donbass... And every death of the child and the old man in Slavyansk, each
destroyed residential building or a kindergarten in the cities rebel region - is a step from any
possibility of conduct the negotiation process. If, metaphorically speaking, the day before yesterday,
Kiev could, spitting, offer decentralization, and yesterday - federalization, today even Confederation
might be a problematic offer. Just because you cannot about peace by killing civilians.
You can blame "terrorists", who use human shield from the peaceful population, but as soon as
you call the militias, terrorists, you must show the example of sound state approach, trying to
preserve every innocent human being because you are the representatives of the state! But no, you
allow to one suddenly turned into a great statesman criminal oligarch to form some battalions with
unclear status, which the Donbas has aptly dubbed the illegal armed groups, the Nazis, because they
do not fight as an army, but rather as marauders. You drive to the slaughter hastily mobilized,
badly equipped, hungry and virtually untrained soldiers. You deceive even their your national guar
stooges that are beginning to rebel, regardless of the fact that their brains are often replaces
suspicious ideological cereal, not an informed patriotism. And, generally, it is because you started
a riot, hoping, that as in 2004 quickly to get power,but in the end, overplayed your hand and
believing in your own omnipotence, gave a country a "present" in a form of civil war. Well you try
to blade the mirror in your misadventures.
In General, few believed in consultations, which started in Donetsk, on Monday. And as it turned
out, that unbelief was justified.
Representatives of militia immediately began to speak, what really is no cease-fire and truce
happen. And already in the evening on Tuesday, Prime Minister DND Alexander Borodai directly stated
that "the agreement are not respected."
"Agreements are not respected, in Donetsk, in the airport area goes the battle with the use of
armored vehicles and artillery, " he said in the briefing. - There are dead and wounded on both
sides". Kiev was bluffing: Tuesday Ukrainian troops again bombed Slavyansk, Saur-Grave.
"I officially announce - no truce. Nothing's left for us to do but to continue to fight, " said
the Prime Minister. - In the near future we wait for the storm Donetsk and Lugansk", - he added.
Alexander Borodai made an official appeal to the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir
Putin. "We understand that Russia does not want to be embroiled in the war. And please help us to
enter at least the peacekeeping forces," said Boroday, noting that the bases for a ceasefire yet
- Kyiv authorities have not led troops, and therefore the world, unfortunately, not yet in sight.
However, spokesman for Kiev "chocolate junta" anti terrorist operation Dmitry Tymchuk hastened
to declare, that the militia violated the truce by beginning to shelling of roadblocks.
... ... ...
The President himself Poroshenko decided to play a game "they were the first".
Referring to the fact that on June 24, according to the press service of the President, "the
militants, contrary to its own promises to respect the ceasefire, negotiated in Donetsk at the meeting
with the representatives of the Tripartite liaison group, shot down the helicopter of Armed Forces
of Ukraine which resulted in the death of nine people, Since the announcement of the peace plan
of President terrorists 35 times opened fire on Ukrainian military". During the meeting with heads
of power structures Poroshenko gave the order not hesitate to open return fire.
My God. Not all smart people wiped out in Ukraine.
He really destroyed his opponents.
Thanks Eugene. Bravo !
Евгений Гапченко
Oh the truth hurts your eyes to those cluless farts, Oh how he cut them.
Well Done Eugene! Only such a policy will be able to raise the Ukraine with knees!
DirectorLDS
There is no Ukraine anymore; What remains is the agony of the dying body!
Deputies of the South Ossetia Parliament at a special session, unanimously adopted an appeal
to President Tibilov with a request to recognize the independence LNR, - RIA Novosti reports.
The decree says that the decision was made, "taking into account the will of the people and the
appeal of the Supreme Council LNR to the President of the Republic of South Ossetia on recognition
of the sovereignty LNR, supported by the Parliament of the Republic".
Looks like mood in State Department changed from triumphal "f*ck EU" after the February 22 coup,
to more realistic assessment that crashing rebellion on South East is difficult and might lead to variant
reminding Libya.
It came after a rough deal was worked out on Monday involving all sides for a temporary cease-fire
lasting through June 27. Russia had been pressuring Ukraine to talk directly to the rebels, and
Mr. Putin's public move of taking the Russian armed forces out of the equation was evidently a means
to endorse the first results from the talks.
The decision will put added pressure on President Petro O. Poroshenko of Ukraine to negotiate
directly with the separatists who have been waging an armed campaign for increased autonomy for
the southeastern regions of Donetsk and Luhansk.
In announcing a 15-point peace plan last Friday, and again in a speech to the nation on Saturday,
Mr. Poroshenko ruled out talks with those who had taken up arms against the Ukrainian government.
The pro-Russian separatists in turn rejected the idea of talking directly with Kiev.
As the violence mounted and any talks appeared distant, there were fears that the situation would
deteriorate out of anyone's control and that Russia might intervene militarily. With the cease-fire,
even temporary, announced on Monday and Russia's latest move, it appeared that the negotiations
had gained some momentum.
In Kiev, Mr. Poroshenko issued a statement calling the move by Mr. Putin "the first practical
step" by Moscow to resolve the crisis in the east since the Russian leader endorsed the peace plan
over the weekend.
Maintaining a truce could prove tough. There is minimal trust between the government in Kiev
and the patchwork of militias and rebellious political organizations that have laid siege to eastern
Ukraine. There have been accusations and counteraccusations about violations of the cease-fire even
after both sides said that they had accepted it, although the region has seemed far more peaceful.
... ... ...
Mr. Putin cautiously endorsed the plan over the weekend, but demanded direct talks. President
Obama spoke by telephone on Monday with Mr. Putin, and the White House said that Mr. Obama had pressed
Mr. Putin to aid Mr. Poroshenko's efforts to defuse the crisis.
The West had been threatening a third round of far more serious sanctions against Russia in sectors
like finance and high technology if the fighting in southeastern Ukraine did not stop. The West
has accused Moscow of supporting, if not directing, the separatist movement by dispatching Russian
mercenaries. Moscow has denied any direct role and has said it has no control over volunteer fighters.
Putin asked the upper house of the Russian parliament on Tuesday to revoke its ruling in March
that Russia could use troops on Ukrainian territory. Cancelling the ruling, passed prior to the
annexation of Crimea, is another sign that the Kremlin is attempting to de-escalate the situation,
after weeks when Kiev had feared Russian troops massed close to the border could invade at any minute.
Putin's spokesman told Interfax that the decision to cancel the order was given "in order to
normalise and regulate the situation in the eastern regions of Ukraine, and due to the start of
the three-way talks on the issue".
Ukraine's new president, Petro Poroshenko, announced a unilateral ceasefire on Friday he said
would last a week and give separatists a chance to flee or lay down their arms and receive amnesty,
as long as they had not committed serious crimes.
Despite promising negotiations, few thought that Poroshenko would speak to the leaders of the
self-proclaimed "people's republics" in the east, whom Kiev has branded "terrorists", but on Monday
surprise talks took place in Donetsk, one of the centres of the rebel movement, between Poroshenko's
representative, former president Leonid Kuchma, and separatist leaders. Also in attendance were
an OSCE representative, the Russian ambassador to Ukraine and a pro-Russia Ukrainian politician,
Viktor Medvedchuk, who is on the US sanctions list for his role in the annexation of Crimea, but
who Putin has said should play a key role in any negotiations.
After the meeting, Alexander Borodai, the self-styled prime minister of the Donetsk people's
republic, said the rebels would also agree to the ceasefire. Previously, the insurgents had said
there could be no talk of ceasefire until Ukrainian troops were withdrawn from east Ukraine, suggesting
that the rebels, or those who control them, have decided to soften their stance. Borodai is a Russian
citizen and was in Moscow for consultations in the days preceding the negotiations.
manOnTheInside, 24 June 2014 1:08pm
Damn it...
This lack of aggression is going to cause a lot of problems for US European strategy...
Jeremn manOnTheInside, 24 June 2014 1:31pm
Don't worry, there'll still be war. Yesterday these guys vowed an oath to protect Ukraine
and prepared to be shipped to the east. According to Radio Liberty those guys are
"volunteers of the Azov battalion, which includes members of the radical Social-National
Assembly, took an oath of allegiance in St. Sophia's Square in Kyiv"
The picture in that link shows their flag, and it bears the symbol of the Ukrainian SS divisions.
The ceasefire will last long enough for them to take up positions. We can sit tight whilst
they do their dirty work in the east knowing that Putin can't intervene. Our side will triumph,
democracy will win and Putin will be frustrated.
Oh, and thousands will have died to prove it.
umut gezer Jeremn, 24 June 2014 2:03pm
The easiest way to clean up Nazis from Europe is to send to Donbass. The rebels will hack
them anyway.
Rolex44 Jeremn, 24 June 2014 2:14pm
They didn't manage to find that many new killers. Are they running out of fascists?
Jeremn Rolex44, 24 June 2014 2:39pm
Not sure. On 10 June Interfax reported that Bondarenko's Kyiv Defence Battalion was going
east. On 20 June it reported that Semenchenko's Crimea Battalion was going too. There was talk
of some Regiment of National Protection being deployed as well.
So there are plenty around. And plenty of skinheads still available if embassies or Trade
Union buildings need to be attacked.
Neil Robinson, 24 June 2014 1:16pm
Well that's well and truly chucked a spanner in the works. Sad for Obama and Kerry that they
didn't get to destroy yet another sovereign country and kill a lot of inhabitants... don't worry
boys I'm sure there will be another weak country you can demonize and then invade via proxy.
manOnTheInside, 24 June 2014 1:21pm
"Former U.S. Ambassador: Behind Crimea Crisis, Russia Responding to Years of "Hostile" U.S.
Policy"
Putin has no desire and never has of invading Ukraine. What for? The only reason for it would
be to prevent wide spread slaughter. Ukraine would be an economic liability to Russia just as
it was to the USSR, a money pit. If intervention can at all be averted it will be.
Crimea, was a matter if national security for Russia and it was annexed with the full consent
of it population who have ALWAYS felt themselves to be part of Russia.
Now lets see if Poroshenko will go on killing civilians and shelling Eastern Ukrainian cities
in order to provoke a Russian response. The ceasefire has already been broken by the Ukrainian
forces. Either Poroshenko is a liar or he has absolutely no control over the forces in the East.
SHappens Gil Matos-Sequí, 24 June 2014 2:40pm
Worryingly enough I think he has no control over the neo nazis. The US has, and now it will
be very interesting to see their response. Can't wait to hear Kerry's next statement.
There is a topic we forgot everything that happened in Ukraine, and in the end we took the Crimea.
And sobbing Ukrainian politicians and commentators: " Why they came to us, we did not do them any
harm" etc. Probably it make sense to remind how we reached the point of no return in our relations.
Like in chess all moves were diligently recorded.
In itself original Maidan was not a point of no return. Well someone protesting against the agreement
with the Custom Union in favor of the EU. Each side has his reasons. Well in the end is your internal
business (I'm speaking now as an observer and not as a Russian politician). As hers how the cards
should be played in civilized society! - press Yanukovich, so that he put you in bond to EU. Which
he initially intended to sign. Or depose him in the next elections. And accusations about corruption
of Yanukovich regime is no business for Russia. Deal with it themselves.
But now you made the first step toward the point of no return
It was preparation of the National-socialist storm troopers for the coup. Would any "European"
state or any independent state which allow such things? neo-nzy troopers freely roming the streets
of the capital? Next - Russophobic campaign in the media. Animators with action, "who does not jump,
the Moskal!". What Evegeny Markovna "Moskal" you want to fight? How this is connected with you desire
to join the EU and the fight against corruption? And what Moskal has do with your miserable corrupt
government?
That was already "you came to us." A huge step toward a point of no return.
You come to us as a thousands acrobatic robots in the Internet which spread tons of shit. Russians
are almost not interested in Ukrainian Internet and generally has nothing to post on it and do not
track it. But your robots come to us. It is during the time of the Sochi Olympics. And such a rush
of evil robots was unusual. Who was getting paid for it, who ignite this campaign, and to whom is
it profitable?
This was another step toward the point of no return. The creation of new ukr-nazy media, 80%
of the content which is Russophobia.
What is the goal of the attack was clear already then. Another step toward a point of no return.
The next step was actually a violent revolution called EuroMaidan. You kill and maim their own
police. Capture the authorities. military and police forces. Capture their weapon. Do not perform
any formally signed by your leaders agreements. And kill your own protesters and police in false
flag operation and then refuse to investigate. And none of citizens rise against this brown menace,
nobody cry out about fascism that came to your streets. And those people were killed by you or by
your silence, which in the circumstances was equal to the support of neo-nazy coup.
This was another step to the point of no return.
Formally weak, dependent, but still a legitimate president, who represented the South Russian
falls under the assault of Galicia storm troopers. And BTW you already had Yushchenko, and got so
sick and ties with his rule that you deposed him at first opportunity. And like under Yushchenko
you got again the country which is in-fact an American protectorate governed by warlords, prepared
and put in power by the same Americans.
The next step to the point of no return.. Then the Americans insolently appoint Russophobic puppets
as procurators.
Then "trains of friendship" with drunk or smoked "Svidomyti", armed hokhlo-piteki go to the Crimea,
in Mariupol, Odessa, Kharkov, Donetsk. In the Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine. To show who's
boss. What were your motives?
And only THEN comes the Crimea. That was already the point of no return.
Later you burnt alive people in Odessa, bomb Donbass. Launch a total bacchanalia of lies, hypocrisy,
hatred and supernatural meanness, inhuman crimes. What you've become?
It was already past the point of no return. We now will fight you.
We already understood that we need to deal with the bastards, idiots, with zombies, with the
psychopaths who have no shadow of coincidence. With NLP, the war was declared on Russia. And now
you say "Why you are after us? Why all those fighter from Russia came?"
And what are we had to do? You spoiled for the fight and now we came and we will not go away.
Like it or not. And you should not say that it all started with the Crimea. It started much much
earlier.
On may 25 in Ukraine hosted an extraordinary political "Yuriev day". The citizens got an opportunity
to legalize the expulsion from the state Paradise some bandits and thieves and elect other. As always,
the event was held in a warm democratic atmosphere, but in the soul remained vague doubt if the
change of the guiding families can change the rules of life in our state.
"New power" slowly sends the active Maidan fighters to war with separatists. There they voluntarily
give their lives for democracy, while the government will master "within its inner cycle" remains
of the budget and international loans. Politicians quickly caught the moment, together ceased to
entertain the population with the struggle for cancellation of their benefits and privileges, the
fight against corruption, economic reform programs, etc. For the population, a new fake was invented:
fighting separatism or an "anti-terrorist operation".
"New power" in essence, is a slightly forgotten project "Lyubi Druzi" ("Dear friends version
2") by Yushchenko. Why is the population of Ukraine with such persistence is constantly mistaken
in their choice of leaders. Maybe the answer lies in our inability to choose and be responsible
for their choices. Can you just stop shitting in the hallways on multistoried houses, in the street
and learn to ask politicians strictly and in detail, while they still did not overeat from government
property?
In previous articles have repeatedly called the attention of the reader pathological love of
the population of Ukraine to deception on the part of its leaders. Suffice it to recall the dramatization
of the death of Gongadze or fake poisoning of Yushchenko, to understand how Ukrainian politicians
can easily and for many years to lie to their own people. Many of them have built on such scandals
the whole career and many times multiplied their financial worth. And has not suffered any responsibility
for the deception of people.
Recent elections put in doubt the ability of the population of Ukraine to elect their rulers.
This is evident, for example, in the attitude of the authorities and population for its own army.
As is known, the General condition of the army of any country is concentrated reflection of actual
norms and values of society and the state, on the protection of the army. In the world there are
in principle three categories of armies: good army, poor army and the Ukrainian army.
The Ukrainian army, different from all other armies in the world by the fact that in essence,
it is an organizational form of employment for generals and their joint business with politicians
on the sale of arms, land and material values. After the sale of the Crimea, the Ukrainian army
was the only army in the world, which for the voluntary surrender and transfer their own weapons
of the enemy, were rewarding with medals and promotions. In the army and in the Navy there was not
a single officer or soldier who at least tried to destroy their own weapons, materiel, sink the
ships, to burn planes, etc. as required by the statutes of any army in the world. As punishment,
the Minister of defense of Ukraine "heroically" went into well-paid retirement.
The episode with fry over to the mainland of a few of our own aircraft and helicopters are more
result of misunderstanding than an act of resistance to the enemy. After all, being able to raise
in the air combat vehicles, with arms and ammunition, the officers did not even try, let even the
time to recapture its own base, to destroy the material part of it, so that she did not get to the
enemy.
The Ukrainian army for the last six months, finally became a "worker-peasant" people's army.
Privates and Junior officers of the army and there is fighting more for their own funds and donations
of the population than the state. While the population donates 5 hryvnia on the army, Ukrainian
politicians and oligarchs at this time does not spare money for your own advertising on television,
Newspapers and billboards. Their families pursue defiantly luxury and Bohemian way of life in the
country and abroad amid robbed citizens. No need to be a financial expert to see how this money
can be used to re-army arm, clothe and equipped up to the modern standards. But the lives of ordinary
soldiers and the population does not cost anything for the opportunity to take a seat on the political
Olympus for subsequent sharing of the budget between themselves.
Particularly touched by the commitment of our generals and politicians to lead a modern high-tech
war with poor budget and donations. This approach allows us to continue to steal budget money and
material means, though very soon, this could lead to economic disaster for the country and the formal
loss of independence. In General, who some this is a war, but for some a source of enrichment.
By and large, we should erect a statue of President Putin because he provided us with the uaniqquiw
opportunity to see the whole inability of our politicians to do anything senseble for the country
and the rottenness of the existing political system. Now each voter may, at its skin to assess the
results of their voting. The antiterrorist operation very clear and firmly put before the people
of Ukraine the key question: why they need such an Independent State? What unites the population
of the areas to live peacefully in one state? Currently in the society are discussed only two "political
theory": under whom to fall? under Russia or Europe? Option is chosen by politicians, depending
where they store their money. Option "to live by their own mind in the home country" is not considered
in principle.
... ... ...
The country actually restored the feudal system. Just look at the family list of employees top
management to see a stable family and crony ties on the basis of which is formed by the highest
state authorities. "Election" to the Verkhovna Rada, appointment to the highest state posts, just
"bread" designated occur not only by way of sale, but also increasingly on the principle of blood
relation and already inherited wealth. When there are not enough relatives, one can push into power
mistresses, drivers and security guards, of which formed the "parliamentary and bureaucratic gang".
Formed on these principles, the Verkhovna Rada has long turned into "a meeting, where representatives
of several major thieves families share the common Fund ("budget").
Especially fun to see the "round table" of officials and oligarchs, in his circle discuss the
issues of remedy the situation in the country, which they brought to civil war. In General, the
new boyars divide land and slaves.
No wonder that Ukrainian oligarchs returned to the well established practice of medieval Lords
creation of own squads, militia and vessels in their estates.
As a result, the level of trust of the population to the existing state institutions, especially
to the native oligarchs and deputies, came back to the times of appearance in Kiev the first foreign
organized criminal group the monument to founder of which used to grace the city centre. People
are so dissatisfied with their situation that most people, "good MP is dead MP" This desire also
applies to the vast majority of officials, starting from the district level.
Under the circumstances, the possibility of violent seizure of political power in Ukraine became
a purely technical question. The EuroMaidan had showed that for the seizure of power in Ukraine
is quite enough one-or-two disciplined battalions with smart and decisive leader.
To regain the trust of the population can be done in just three steps.
First, after the capture of the main administrative premises immediately and revealing to
shoot half of all deputies, officials, judges, prosecutors, etc. for bringing the country to
a state of civil war.
The second half of officials to transfer to the minimum social security with settlement
in labor camps, that his work would return the loot.
Third. Quick and decisive implementation of the first two actions will allow to refuse from
third of action for ethical reasons in this article is not worth while to say.
Analysis of the election campaign shows that the population of Ukraine is not ready to live according
to democratic norms in Western European and unwilling to adapt these standards to yourself. Especially
it scares the need to take responsibility for their choices. In Europe they are not stupid, and
see well that the population of Ukraine is ready to vote for any adventurer if only he promised
that he will share stolen loot. Moreover, it is doubtful that they will want to assist the population,
which itself is not particularly seek to revive and to fight for your country, and hopes that "the
West will help us" and will do it for them.
Accusations against the SBU about the "protection racket" in customs and publishing of scandalous
details of orgies by former Prosecutor General Oleg Magnitski and former head of the NBU Stepan
Kubiv in the night after their dismissal, may be just one of the episodes of the growing confrontation
between the two major oligarchs of Ukraine.
Last week two information "bombs" exploded in the
domestic media space,at first glance, completely unrelated.
First, in several online publications published an article about how the head of the GPU
Oleg Magnitskiy and Chairman of the national Bank Stepan Kubiv "celebrated" their simultaneous
resignation. Party this, according to journalists, ended with the booze in one of the country's
hotels and fight with visiting prostitutes, stop which could only come on call outfit law enforcement
officers....
The second "inform-bomb" worked on Sunday in one of the scenes of the final program "TSN.
The week", which very detail and in color told about the "Criminal Association of custom officials
and security forces". This criminal Association makes entrepreneurs to pay "kickbacks" for the
safe passage of imported goods of any category. As evidence was demoed even "price list of services",
anonymously sent to potential clients".
In addition, a significant part of the plot was devoted to a certain George Yaroshenko, who declared
himself the "controller" acting on behalf of the security service of Ukraine in Kharkov, Odessa
and Dnepropetrovsk regions. As in the previous scandal, it also appeared country hotel and restaurant
complex of extra-class (this time - "Bartolomeo"), where Yaroshenko, who arrived in Dnipropetrovsk,
was allegedly used for private conversations of businessmen. The aim of these "talks" was to establish
the size of "compensation" for each container, customs cleared in the region.
It should be noted that Yaroshenko has become a real "hero of the month" for the last week when
his modest person have repeatedly got in focus of Ukrainian media . The main opponent of the new
"controller" from security services invariably was Dnipropetrovsk regional state administration
in the person of Governor Igor Kolomoiskiy and his inner circle.
Initially, "Obozrevatel" site published the news that the Deputy Governor Gennady Korban, June
14, has had a telephone conversation with Deputy Valery Ishchenko (friend and partner Yaroshenko).
"At the end of their conversation Ishchenko handed the receiver to another Deputy Arthur Palatniy.
At the same time the phone picked up the Governor of Dnepropetrovsk region Igor Kolomoisky. After
that Kolomoisky and Palatniy has had an "informative talk". Its essence can only guess, but, according
to our source, the tone and content of it was very close to the phone conversation that took place
not so long ago between Igor Kolomoiskiy and Oleg Tsarev," - says the online publication.
More detailed response to the actual owner of Dnipropetrovsk region to the brazen "Varyag" (or
rather, those who are standing behind him) also was not long in coming. Already on next day the
Deputy Kolomoisky Stanislav Oleinik on his page on Facebook wrote:
"I Responsibly declare that as of today in fact there is direct evidence of extortion of
money from Yaroshenko on behalf of the security service of Ukraine for the lack of problems
with this Agency... Yaroshenko was not a swindler, who acted at its own risk. He really was
based and relies on the total support of the corruption chain."
Another Deputy Boris Filatov, commenting on the appeal colleagues, added:
"we will not allow any "controllers". And the same should be in the whole country. such people
should be burn out with a hot iron".
And under "purifying fire" from the owners of the region at the same time got Vitali Klitschko.
Rather, his political force, because participating in a telephone conversation with Kolomoisky the
people's Deputy Ishchenko is a member of the "UDAR", and Gennady Yaroshenko heads in the capital,
it Darnitsky rayon cell.
After less than a week after media noise around Yaroshenko, was followed by the dismissal of
Kubiv and Magnitski were dismissed - both according to analysts, long belonging to close cicle of
Kolomoisky. It suffice it to recall that from 101,279 billion UAH., dedicated to the NBU for refinancing,
20,188 billion UAH. received Kilomiyski's "PrivatBank", losing in volumes of obtained funds only
state Oschadbank (21.6 billion UAH).
But the Prosecutor General was not interested in any such blatant lobbying by Stepan Kubiev interests
of the Bank belonging to Mr. Kolomoisky, nor that in a privileged position were also banks "Financial
initiative" and "VAB Bank" owned by Oleh Bakhmatiuk, close to the ex-head of the NBU.
They were also not very interested in the sharp devaluation of the hryvnia, which lost almost
50% since February killed the purchasing power of the majority of ordinary Ukrainians. Although
you don't need to be an economist to understand volumes of enrichment of persons who previously
knew about this devaluation.
Instead, after only a month, newly appointed Prosecutor General Oleg Magnitskiy was seen in sales
Department of prestigious property Novopecherskie Lipki on the street Dragomirova 14.
"He arrived at a brand new Mercedes S-class, accompanied by 3 guards. The Manager showed house
layouts, explaining the value of the properly. Magnitskiy was with a woman. The visit was carried
out at 10 am in working time", wrote on his Facebook page known journalist Serhiy Leshchenko.
"Neither Magnitski not his wife has in the Declaration to 2013 a penny of savings. I will not
comment - I offer to do it for you," added many years the author of "the Ukrainian Pravda".
In short, this key dismissal in one day Kubiv with Magnitski can be seen not only as a logical
intention of the new President to release strategic positions for people from your own team. Especially,
if to take into account the "trail" of the coverage of the events that followed directly after the
dismissal. Two retired officials were carefully followed from the first drink in Kiev, the VIP-restaurant
brawl with visiting call girls on the balcony of the cottage, documenting each step. And information
about the incident the next day was actively spread on the Internet.
It is easy to assume that the implementation of such operation is natural for security services
taking in the account opportunities, and experience that they have. And in this particular case
there was probably a more serious motivation caused information "leaks" about the SBU activaties
from people Kolomoisky on so-called "Yaroshenko case".
Indirectly confirmed this version and one of the players in the scandal, Oleg Magnitskiy believes
that this provocation ordered his and Oleg Kubiv political rivals . "For the time I was in my former
position we have pinched tail to many people, said the former attorney General. - I think, it was
easy pay a couple thousand dollars to black sites for writing what was written about us," reports
"ANTICOR".
Such an "exchange of head blows" in the Ukrainian business circles are usually followed by negotiations
to settle the situation. As an invitation to such negotiations through the press was thrown warning
information that unknown enemies of Kubiv and Magnitkiy have photo and video evidence of their "adventures",
which, if necessary, can be made public.
But Kolomoisky, obviously furious with the intention of SBU take away his tasty customs piece,
does not look like a ready to agree to something person. Moreover, Magnitskiy, and Kubiv in their
current status are absolutely useless to him (they do not have even Deputy mandates anymore). As
a result, in the air of his TV channel "1+1" appeared mentioned above "killing" information about
extortion "Of custom officials and security forces".
It is hardly accidental that the oligarch draws in their confrontation with the SBU first person
of the state. And this is done using the attacks not only on controlled Poroshenko secret service
(which promptly denied being represented by Yaroshenko, calling him a scamster), but his younger
political partner Vitali Klitschko, who now is forced to publicly disassociate himself from his
fellow party member Yaroshenko.
It is possible that undisguised desire Kolomoisky to make Poroshenko either "sacrifise" those
in security servers who were involved or take dirt of the associated corruption scandal is dictated
by reasonable fear of losing everything he made with so much blood in recent months.
After the accession of Peter Poroshenko to his position, the Prime Minister Yatsenyuk, according
to the procedure, made a submission on the dismissal of the governors of all the Ukrainian regions.
And, according to the information source from the presidential administration, their posts can lose
Sergey Taruta (Donetsk region), Igor Kolomoisky (the Dnepropetrovsk region) and Igor Palitsa (Odesa
region).
Oleg Palitsa as a protégé Kolomoisky, for appointment of which Odessa has paid with fire nightmare
on may 2 in the House of Trade Unions, provided its owner control of the best business-resources
of the region: the Odessa port plant, oil refinery and, of course, the port itself. Weshould not
now even talk about native to the owner of group "Privat" Dnipropetrovsk - economic locomotive of
Ukraine, the absolute owner of everything it it he now became.
By the way, the glove has already thrown in the face of Petro Poroshenko: Kolomoisky actually
wrecked declared the week-long truce. "During the working visit Poroshenko in Donetsk region Kolomoisky
openly said to the President that he will never obey the truce and his army will fight these separatists,"
a source in the security Council told jounalists.
The "army Kolomoisky continued to shoot at separatists and separatists predictable returned fire.
the only thing that remained to Poroshenko is complain in a telephone conversation with German Chancellor
Merkel about 20 cases of violation of ceasefire regime for the day.
For the sake of justice it is worth noting that Peter Poroshenko is also not a man who is ready
obediently to sign it on his own powerlessness. Not to mention the fact that for him at stake is
much much more than the acquisition or loss of business assets. So the further battle for a place
on the back of wildly Bouncing Bolivar called "Ukraine" is going to be much more interesting then
details of country "massage" by former Prosecutor General Magnitkiy.
The second president of Ukraine Leonid Kuchma, who is involved in negotiations to resolve the
situation of Donetsk in the east, said that the parties agreed on a cease-fire until the morning
on June 27. He said this at a briefing after the talks, says Russian "Interfax".
"We agreed on a bilateral cease-fire to 10 am on 27 June" - said Kuchma.
In turn, present at the meeting, representatives of the OSCE said they would conduct joint work
to find the group disappeared in the Donetsk region. "The OSCE promotes peaceful resolution of conflict,
but we must be sure that our mission will be safe," - said the representative of the OSCE.
On Monday, in the building of the Donetsk Regional State Administration multilateral negotiations
took place between the representatives of Ukraine, terrorist organizations "DNR" and "FSC" and the
Russian Federation.
The talks were attended by Russian Ambassador to Ukraine Mikhail Zurabov, representative of the
OSCE Chairman Heidi Tagliavini, the second President of Ukraine Leonid Kuchma, head of the NGO "Ukrainian
choice" Medvedchuk, representative "NPT" Alexander Boroday, leader of the pro-Russian movement "South-East"
Oleg Tsarev representatives "FSC."
Boroday earlier said that the militants are ready to cease fire in response to similar actions
of the Ukrainian side.
This guy, Sergey Glazyev, thinks the US is using Ukraine and the neo-nazi elements to provoke
war between Russia and Ukraine, and ultimately throughout Europe, for their own economic and
geo-political advantage.
To commemmorate "Day of Mourning" (=the day when Nazi Germany invaded Soviet
Union), a procession of anti-fascists formed in Kharkiv. Organizers themselves said three hundred
people, but from the vid it looks like at least a couple of thousand.
Procession was organized
mainly by supporters of Ukrainian Communist Party plus various other "Peace" groups and people
expressing opposition to Kiev junta's "punitive" operations in the East. People carried various
anti-fascist banners and sang the song
Священная война ("Holy War")
which has become the anthem of the anti-fascist resistance in Ukraine, and also became the
signature tune of Crimean Russians, when they re-merged with Russia.
You can also see from the vid that the Kharkiv police are protecting the demonstrators and
even appear to be marching with them amicably on the sidelines.
So, next thing you know, a group of Right Sektor hooligans, having planned their usual provocation,
decide to attack the anti-fascist procession. And why wouldn't they, since Right Sektor honours
the OTHER side of that "Holy War", i.e., the Nazi invaders.
This had the makings of the usual Odessa-type tragedy, Right Sektor planned start some provocation,then
beat up and disperse the peaceful anti-fascist protesters.
But then things didn't go their way: The Kharkiv police blocked off the Right Sektor and drove
them back. The video shows furious Right Sektor hooligans taunting the police, saying things
like, "But those are separatists! Why are you protecting them?" The police are not impressed
and curtly order the hooligans to stay back. A few police batons are swung.
At one point, Right Sektor try to whip up their supporters, screaming about how some woman
got beat over the head by a cop. As if on cue, a woman wanders into the camera angle, showing
off a patch of (fake) blood on her scalp. This is the usual Right Sektor bullshit, but it doesn't
work this time. They didn't have their way, the anti-fascists were not beaten up, the Kharkiv
police didn't budge, and were not intimidated by the Nazi thugs.
From comments: "I just read that Kerry is telling the Iraqi government that it needs to be inclusive
and needs to represent all three ethnic groups: Sunni, Shia and Kurd. I wonder whether he has noticed
the "slight" inconsistency in the way he talks about Iraq and Ukraine?" "Oh, he is plenty consistent.
Consistently doesn't give a rats ass about principle."
"We need to ensure that all fighting is stopped," he said. "Ultimately the political process
is the most important. It is important that this ceasefire lead to dialogue between all
opposing sides in order to find compromises acceptable for all."
Poroshenko told US vice president Joe Biden during a phone call on Sunday that Russian separatists
continue to attack Ukrainian forces, including with artillery, despite the ceasefire, the White
House said.
"The vice president reiterated that the United States was working closely with its G7 partners
to prepare further economic sanctions against Russia if Moscow did not take actions ... to stop
the flow of arms and militants across the border and use its influence to publicly call on the
separatists to lay down their arms," the White House added.
The insurgency in the largely Russian-speaking east erupted in April after street protests in
the capital Kiev toppled the Moscow-backed leader Viktor Yanukovich.
Russia subsequently annexed Ukraine's Crimean peninsula and the West has accused Russia of supporting
the insurgency.
French president Francois Hollande and German chancellor Angela Merkel urged Putin by telephone
on Sunday to work for the resumption of talks to end the conflict, Hollande's office said.
The two leaders "reiterated the importance of ensuring full control of the Russia-Ukraine border
to prevent the infiltration of gunmen and military equipment", the statement said.
Radicals have attacked Russia's Sberbank
office in Kiev. Masked extremists shattered windows with stones and hurled placards. They did
not enter the office. Local media reports that security forces were deployed. The attack came
after hundreds of masked extremists rallied outside Kiev's Pechersk Lavra monastery, chanting
Nazi slogans.
And more on the monastery, one of the most Holy shrines in Ukraine and the Orthodox World.
Extreme nationalists have clashed with police officers outside Kiev's Pechersk Lavra monastery.
A group of about 200 radicals gathered outside the monastery, from where religious activists
planned a procession against Ukraine signing the EU Association Agreement and the "anti-terrorist
operation" in the southeast of the country. Police blocked access to the Lavra to avoid clashes
between the two groups.
lifeintheusa -> Robert Sandlin, 23 June 2014 4:57am
Again, a tiny minority of absolute cretins attempting to create chaos.
Robert Sandlin -> lifeintheusa, 23 June 2014 5:23am
But backed by the biggest players in the Ukraine.
Czechlander, 23 June 2014 4:11am
Yeah, how the heck can this tiny minority of 15,000,000 dare to want federalization?
Besides, Kiev is being lent billions to teach this tiny minority (only a third of greater
Ukraine) some manners by the force of arms. These Russians are expected to pay for the bullets
used on them, once they have been compelled to capitulate; their lands are going to be fracked.
The situation is going to be an even greater farce when Kiev declares a unilateral capitulation
:)
Robert Sandlin, 23 June 2014 4:13am
Here is a poll on Ukrainian thinking on Bandera and the difference by region.And a statement
from a man in Donetsk on the subject:
Geographical divide a poll
In a 2009 survey from the Kiev International Institute of Sociology (KIIS), in Galicia (the
part of Western Ukraine with Lviv, Ternopil and Ivan–Frankivsk), 63% of Ukrainians had a positive
attitude towards Bandera (of which 37% very positive), 12% had a negative attitude (of which
6% very negative).
In the Centre of Ukraine, 13% had a positive attitude towards Bandera (of which 3% was very
positive),and 38% a negative attitude (of which 21% was very negative). In Eastern Ukraine
(Donetsk, Lugansk but also Kharkov, Dniepropetrovsk and Zaporizhia), 2% had a positive attitude
towards Bandera (of which 1% was very positive),and 59% a negative attitude (of which 46%
was very negative).
In the South of Ukraine, 1% had a positive attitude towards Bandera, and 45% a negative attitude
(of which 30% was very negative).
The view of a Donbass resident
The following 11 April 2014 interview (in Le Courrier de Russie ) of a Donetsk (Donbass,
Eastern Ukraine) policeman summarizes it all: "Here in the Donbass, we have nothing in common
with Lviv -the only thing that still unites us, is the country. It was Vatunin [Soviet general
in WW2] who liberated my city.
And six months later, he was assassinated by the soldiers of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army.
Over there, in Lviv, their heroes are the people from the Ukrainian Insurgent Army; but for
me, it is Vatunin the hero. That man who led the Red Army and who freed my city from the fascists.
What do we have in common with Lviv people? We have a different History and a different culture."
Alexander Andreev -> peacefulmilitant, 23 June 2014 7:29am
Actually the best possible solution for both sides (federalization) allows Ukraine to keep
their territorial integrity. Initially East Ukraine, including Donetsk, only wanted change in
their regional government and certain other things. Like putting stop to gas fracking prospects
in the area.
However when you wake up with a mortar shell landing in your yard you want less territorial
integrity and more safety from the bastards who fired it because they found it easier than just
to talk.
UnelectedMonarchyUK, 23 June 2014 4:29am
Looks like a Northen Ireland situation. So Britain and its USA boss should keep their noses
out.
"He appeared to attach no blame to separatist forces" ...
... and of course the NATO
controlled media and puppet government in Kiev are the very beacons of balanced reporting.
Maybe a real reporter should ask their heroes in Kiev why the Ukrainian junta is positioning
around the cities of the Donbass massive artillery pieces designed to level entire neighbourhoods
as part of their "peace process"?
Yes, agreed. And the Kyiv government is being encouraged by its Western partners. Its Western
partners laud the government's restraint as it shells and bombs civilians.
Today, in Cairo,
Kerry said (about Iraq):
This is a critical moment where together we must urge Iraq's leaders to rise above sectarian
motivations and form a government that is united in its determination to meet the needs
and speak to the demands of all of their people.
When did they insist the eastern Ukrainians were represented in Kyiv? Not one minister is
an easterner, not one person of any influence. The party that represented the east, the Party
of Regions, has been swept away, its MPs stay away from the Rada or murmur in the backbenches.
Half the country unrepresented, insulted, abused and then shelled and called terrorists.
And not a murmur from Hague, Kerry or Hollande. They shouldn't have been talking about restraint,
they should have been enforcing restraint and insisting on a collective solution to Ukraine's
problems.
Instead we have war.
ID075732, 23 June 2014 4:30am
As many people have commented, this cease fire was never agreed by both sides, so is just
being imposed by Poroshenko and the West. Unfortunately Poroshenko is just a puppet of the
US. The Putschists, who are unelected by the population, still have massive influence over
what fighting is happening in Ukraine.
All of this goes generally unreported, as does the continued chaos and insecurity in Kiev,
as reported by other posters here. Blaming Putin for the de-stabilisation of Ukraine, is and
always has been, just a red herring.
Robert Sandlin, 23 June 2014 4:51am
One of the two parties making up the Ukrainian government is Svoboda a neo-nazi party.They
hold several Ministry Posts and are important in the Military terror effort in East Ukraine.Lets
get to know them a bit:
In 2013 too, thirty MPs of the Israeli Knesset (there are 120 MPs in total) sent the following
letter to the president of the EU parliament:"Dear Mr. President! First of all, let us thank
you for your activities to strengthen the values of justice and democracy in Europe and the
whole world. We want to note that Europe is a more welcoming and tolerant place now, thanks
to your initiatives and to the spirit you bring to the continent.However, it has been more than
half a year we receive alarming reports on the new nationalistic trend in Ukraine stirred up
by the Neo-Nazi Svoboda Party, which won more than ten percent of votes in the last parliamentary
elections. We are aware of the threats and slander hurled by members of that party against the
Jews, the Russians, and others. These are the people who draw their inspiration from the Nazis
and openly glorify the mass murderers of the SS Ukrainian Divisions. We were also shocked by
the fact, that this party is not isolated at all but enjoys full cooperation of the two main
opposition parties in Ukraine. Unfortunately, these parties did not protest at all against the
actions and statements of their extreme partner, but even have compromised themselves by their
own public glorification of Ukrainian Nazi war criminals.We can not stand idly by the phenomenon
of neo Nazism in any part of the world. Our duty is to speak out and to contact our colleagues
around the world to join the efforts and to eliminate the symptoms which take us to the darkest
times of humanity. We appreciate the strong position which the European Parliament expressed
on this issue in December last year. We also want to thank you for the refusal of the EP to
have any working relations with the Svoboda party and for the clarification to all forces operating
in Ukraine, that no attempt of Nazism glorification will be tolerated by Europe. We hope to work
together for the better and safer future of Europe and the whole world."
On 13 December 2012 the Euro-pean Parliament adopted a text in which one paragraph read "Parliament
goes on to express concern about the rising nationalistic sentiment in Ukraine, expressed in
support for the Svoboda Party, which, as a result, is one of the two new parties to enter the
Verkhovna Rada [The Ukrainian parliament]. It recalls that racist, anti-Semitic and xenophobic
views go against the EU's fundamental values and principles and therefore
appeals to pro-democratic parties in the Verkhovna Rada not to associate with, endorse or form
coalitions with this party
U-turn
Just over a year later, the EU associated with Svoboda in the toppling of the democratically
elected government, and then backed the new coalition, of which Svoboda was the second most
important political party. When the EU signed the trade agreement with Ukraine, Svoboda was
part of the Ukrainian government
Now that we've seen a bit about Svoboda how about its leaders and their views that are helping
to lead Ukraine.Just who are these luminaries that so make up Ukrainians new government:
Tyahnibok (who was born in Lviv, West Ukraine) became member of the Social-National Party
in 1991 and became an MP in 1998. In 2002 he was reelected as part of the coalition led by Yushchenko
(Yushchenko became president in 2005). He was expelled from that coalition after a speech in
the summer of 2004 in which he talked of: "the Moscow-Jewish mafia ruling our Ukraine" and celebrated
the Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists for having fought " Moscovites, Germans, Jews and
other scum who wanted to take away our Ukrainian state".
Svaboda MP Igor Miroshnichenko is Deputy Head of the Parliamentary Committee on Freedom of Speech
and Information. He had made news in the West in 2012 by calling Ukrainian actress Mila Kunis
a"dirty jewess".On 19 March 2014 he made news again by storming with four others the office
of the head of National TV, Oleksandr Panteleymonov
. They assaulted Panteleymonov, forced him to sign a resignation letter, and abducted him
for several hours. Astonishingly, Miroshenko then posted online the video of the assault. The
message he wanted to send was clear. We do not know what happened after this assault. On Panteleymonov
wikipedia page, it says "Acting CEO of National Television Company of Ukraine from 20 February
2013 to 25March 2014)."
Olha Ostriitchouk reported Tyanhibok's reaction: "If yesterday such methods were justified
(for example the take over of regional administrations and people's pressure on high officials
to sign resignation letters), today we don't need them (other methods, legal, can be used)."
From the Nation and Foreign Policy in Focus: "Svoboda has always had a soft spot for the
[Waffen SS] Galicia Division, and one of its parliament members, Oleg Pankevich, took part in
a ceremony last April honoring the unit. Pankevich joined with a priest of the Ukrainian Orthodox
Church near Lviv to celebrate the units seventieth anniversary and rebury some of the divisions
dead."
Yuriy Mykhalchyshyn,He was number one of the Svaboda list for the 2010 Lviv's municipal elections.
In 2005 he established a "Joseph Goebbels Political Research Centre" (he changed the name in
2008). The url was
he number 88 refers to "Heil Hitler" in neo-nazi terminology (H is the 8th letter in the
alphabet), and the Nachtigal battalion was the name of one of the two Ukrainian SS divisions
that sided with Nazi Germany prior and during the June 1941 attack on the Soviet Union.Mykhalchyshyn
has referred to the Holocaust as a "period of Light in history".
Iryna Farion,After the 2 May 2014 Odessa massacre in which about 40 people died after a
building was set on fire, she wrote on her website "Bravo, Odessa.Pearl of Ukrainian spirit.
City of the great nationalists Ivan and Youri Lipa.Let the demons burn in hell. Football fans
are the best. Bravo."
it is extraordinary when the are openly antisemitic Neo-Nazis in power within the regime in
Ukraine there isn't a word about it in the western media.
The ADL conducted a survey about the rise in antisemitism in Europe and they somehow missed
all those EU and US diplomats and politicians
meeting the Neo-Nazi Tyahnibok in Kiev before the coup. What's going on?
Now that we've seen a bit about Svoboda how about its leaders and their views that are helping
to lead Ukraine. Just who are these luminaries that so make up Ukrainians new government.
See further academic commentaries:
The Creeping Resurgence of the Ukrainian Right. The Case of the Freedom Party (Svoboda).
Anton Shekhovtsov
Organized Anti-Semitism in contemporary Ukraine. Influence and Ideology.
The Return of the Ukrainian Far Right: The Case of VO Svoboda.
at least three conditions should be met to make this ceasefire work:
there have to be peace talks involving not just Kiev, the EU & Russia, but also Novorrosiya's
authorities... Putin doesn't speak for us but Kiev keeps acting as if everything depended
on him
a plebiscite with international supervision should be held in all the oblasts in the
East & South to decide if people wants a federal system, a unitary system or joining Russia
as Crimea did
it has to be formed a Truth & Reconciliation Committee with full powers & members of
the Churches, Humans Rights Groups, intellectuals, lawyers, politicians representing all
sides involved to investigate the Maidan & Odessa massacres & the abuses committed by both
sides during the war & also those committed when Yanukovich was overthrown
These are the minimal conditions that have to be met to make this unilateral ceasefire credible
& useful to achieve peace.
Antidyatel -> tanyushka, 23 June 2014 5:34am
I always wondered what does the category "intellectuals" mean and why everyone else on the
list are excluded from this category. Is it similar to another rubbish word as "intelligentsia"?
Just interesting.
Nice point about Putin though. The reason why West is addressing him all the time is
because they don't want to give any recognition to representatives from Eastern Ukraine. Even
if Putin lock himself in a cave, they will still insist on negotiating with him. Quite a dirty
trick.
In Syria they were insisting on negotiations with opposition. After members of opposition
were caught on camera eating hearts of the Syrian soldiers, a term of "moderate opposition"
appears. Somehow in Ukraine they don't even try to look for "moderate opposition". Condemning
the expulsion of the only Eastern Ukrainian candidate from a sham presidential elections could
be the first step. But that will imply that US/EU are interested in a discussion, which they
are not.
betelguese, 23 June 2014 5:21am
Since Hunter Biden, son of US VP Joe Biden joined the board of directors of Burisma Holdings,
Ukraine's largest private gas producer, the group has prospects in eastern Ukraine where civil
war is threatened following the coup
in Kiev.
Biden will advise on "transparency, corporate governance and responsibility, international
expansion and other priorities to contribute to the economy and benefit the people of Ukraine."
If anyone wants to tell me that it is not US big business and military that has vested interest
in orchestrating what is now going on in Ukraine, demonizing Putin, but at the same destabilizing
situation over there, lying and covering up
mini-genocide of civilian population in Eastern part of a country, where women and the kids
are killed and tens of thousands being moved on the Russian side, then all I have to say – wake
up --
Typical CIA operation, American aggression, not Russian one -- Except this time it is Kiev
that does the killing for them !
Poroshenko wants Putin's unqualified backing for a 15-point peace plan
There is a bug))
Poroshenko wants only what Obama wants))
Actually, federalization of Ukraine is contrary to the interests of only one country - the
United States. USA paid a lot of money and want to get full control of the whole territory of
Ukraine - federalization it will not allow.
USA play "all or nothing" - if they don't have full control, they are ready to destroy Ukraine.
Eugene Grinchenko, 23 June 2014 7:02am
In fact it was the seizure of power in Kiev by Galician fascists, who subjugate and Russian-speking
and Jewish activists, also football ultras. Now they are pursuing a comprehensive military operation
involving intelligence services and fascist illegal armed groups against the population of the
South-East of Ukraine. Essentially, it is a conflict - civilizational choice and some ind rematch
of 1941-1945: For Europe under Nazi domination or Eurasia relatively democratic.
madeiranlotuseater, 23 June 2014 7:07am
It is always interesting reading these comments. You have those readers who believe that Putin
is totally evil. A sort of bigoted position where there is no grey. Only black. Then there are
those who see this whole saga as a western plot to prevent the rise of the BRICS. (have to count
myself as one of those) But then we have to read the comments of the fight on the ground in
the east. It is difficult to imagine there can be a successful peace plan when the leaders of
the people being bombed, shot and burned are only being asked to put down their arms and not
be invited to the table for talks. How much is Russia involved in supporting the east? Does
Russia wish to annex Ukraine? Foghy Rasmussen as head of NATO seems rather keen on conflict.
There is scant proof that Russia is providing much military hardware or troops. About the same
amount of proof that the CIA are up to their alleged trick of destabilising countries.
For me the actual agenda is not about Russia´s expansionism. Yes, they probably wanted Crimea
back. It is their warm water winter port and the possibility of losing that was too much. The
Baltic States and Poland? Hardly. Russia is building ties with Brazil,India, China and South
Africa. This conflict within Ukraine is an attempt by the west to discredit Russia in the eyes
of the other members of the BRICS. Its momentum in the west is the belief that Russia is still
the enemy but the people of the west are beginning to feel, rightly or wrongly, that this is
more to do with a propaganda war and that Russia is the victim and not the perpertrator.
ProfRatBaggy -> madeiranlotuseater, 23 June 2014 7:09am
America wants to essentially encircle both Russia and China.
PeterSchmidt 23 June 2014 7:49am
Funny the US wants an inclusive government with between shiia and sunni in Iraq, but don't hold
that same requirement to Ukraine.
Kerry is also very friendly with the Egyptian president and says he will respect the will
of the people, but doesn't want to respect the will of the Syrian people.
Places sanctions on Uganda for its gay laws, but considers Qatar and the Saudis his best
friends.
Western politics (or in fact any) is all about interests. The EU was expanded not because
the west suddenly felt a warm love towards Hungarians, Slovaks or Romanians. It expanded because
it needed markets and in the process made sure that Eastern Europe was left with no industry
at all. Only assembly lines with cheap labour. Now we pay western prices but earn 10 times less.
Ukraine will be the next looting place. Whatever left by the oligarchs will be stolen by
the EU and the US. Cheap slave labour is also handy as Chinese labour costs are on the rise.
The BBC will also make sure that dissenting voices for those opposing western looting will not
be heard.
Hottentot, 23 June 2014 7:58am
Biden and the US need to stick a sock in it. Russia is not responsible for those fighting
against Kiev, quite how Biden can say Russia is supplying weapons when those fighting in the
east are taking over military bases in Ukraine and getting access to weapons defies belief,
but there again the US lives in its own diktat la la land.
Poroshenko is a US puppet, the US has caused all the problems in Ukraine because it wants
to put more weapons nearer Russia, it wants access to the Black sea threatening Russia's fleet
and it want access to gas and oil. The warmonger US children and their puppet Poroshenko need
to stop dictating to Russia and do what Putin has proposed throughout.
TedMorgan38, 23 June 2014 7:58am
A unilateral ceasefire without the ceasing of fire. How can the Guardian champion a "peace"
in which the shelling of civilians continues unabated?
Poroshenko, the illegal President of Ukraine, placed in his role by a coup and elections
that did not extend to the East, is the darling of a Russophobic Guardian that has continuously
denied the active involvement of self-designated fascists who, after the violent overthrow of
Yanukovych, are militarised and slaughtering Ukrainians who reject them.
Well, civilians continue to die at the hands of these fascists, including my daughter-in-law's
cousin, a mere boy, killed in East Ukraine by forces the Guardian cheerleads. Yanukovych was
called a monster for allegedly ordering his police to fire on civilians, even though evidence
points to those in the present coup regime being responsible. Poroshenko swaggers in combat
fatigues, revelling in his role of military commander, sending tanks, warplanes, attack helicopters
against his own people, and criticism of him? There is none. The Guardian's condemnation is
noticeable by its absence.
It looks like "junta in chocolate" declared a truce. A whole week of peaceful life granted to
us by the President, Poroshenko before "the final solution" of Donbass question. Sill no joy. I
am straining to convince myself, even with the help of auto-training, but feel no joy. Events that
occurred after the publication of this optimistic Manifesto, leave me with a sense of bitterness
and despair.
Well, judge for yourself. Peter Poroshenko assessment of the situation and the rhetoric has not
changed a single millimeter. Pro-autonomy militias are still bandits and terrorists who want to
destroy Ukraine. The President is not going to listen to their reasons or take into consideration
in possible negotiations their interests. Actually, the negotiations have already been - Poroshenko
discussed the peace plan with the local elite, and his plan was supported by one hundred percent,
according to witnesses and Hanna Herman. The problem is that we don't know who these influential
people were and what they do today.
This was not local deputies, nor representatives of militia, not any of respected in the region
of the people. Then who? I suspect that the negotiations were held with representatives of the so-called
civil sector, which is represented exclusively by social activists aka grant-eaters. The degree
of their influence on the life of Donbass and mindset of people, not counting the limited local
liberal-nationalist parties, is not visible even in the strongest microscope. Does it make sense
to negotiate with them? Just because this is what he was told to do in the USA Embassy?
In order for something to rely on, this is something that should provide the necessary resistance,
so I was taught in the physics class in high school. If the President met with people for years
who were on U.S. and to a lesser extent the European taxpayers payroll, what kind of necessary resistance
and criticism can we talk about? The centre of the influence they have is the same as our newly
minted President and is well known. It's the U.S. Embassy. And as humorless Psaki just said the
situation in Ukraine is under control.
The President behaviour is certainly understandable. Zugzwang, in which he got is absolutely
terrible. On the one hand, he has several times in a beautiful position of a peacemaker, with befitting
the moment facial expressions and gestures promised to stop the war. Until the end of the week.
He did not tell us which week. Well, here in Slavyansk the ceasefire was announced, and we know
what the last and current weeks were about.
On the other hand, the olive branch in his hand was a first was openly ridiculed by "Patriotic
oligarch" Kolomoisky, which directly stated that fighting will not stop, and on Sunday was subjected
to withering criticism by Maidan radicals (who are still roaming the streets of Kiev) and who would
like that in the speeches of the President no a single letter hinted at a peaceful resolution of
the situation.
One can often hear a question - why Mr. Poroshenko, successful entrepreneur, pragmatic oligarch,
seem so eagerly rushed to take this post? The post on which he is nothing buy a pitiful marionette.
Is was not a rocket science to calculate risks. Or that he will be paralyzed by aggressive, hungry
and bloodthirsty nationalist community, which will strictly defines the agenda?
Even at the moment Mr. Poroshenko uttered his "peaceful proposals", the guns were firing at full
speed. In no way they were silenced. On the contrary, it is in moments when the President pathetically
declared the peace plan, shells were fired into Russian territory in the area of the crossing point
Dolzhanskaya "that led to the destruction of buildings and injured foreign custom official". The
statement that the soldiers will open fire only in response, impresses nobody. It's like a children's
checkmate in chess. when a person learned to play three days ago already can master this simple
trick. It is not necessary to be a great scientist, you just have to listen and look around to see
how easily this condition can be bypassed. Who is going to find out, whose shot was the first? You
can shoot yourself in the sky and then respond to this shoot with the full force.
Shelling of Slavyansk and Kramatorsk after the announcement of the ceasefire, which officially
began on 20 June at 22 : 00, never stopped. Intense battle was at the checkpoint Dolzhansky. Buses
with children who went to Rostov region, were fired on the move.
Who dares not to follow the order of the commander in chief? Who substitutes "the guarantor of
the Constitution" and Army Chief? Who is so independent that can neglect firm word of the President,
which he gave to the country and, as usual, to the world, and most importantly, presidents and chancellors
who control our government with a cynical openness?
The mere statement, colored the most pathetic colors, containing unrealistic promises, and is
trying to shove 10 pound into five pound bad was a joke. Solid guarantee that destroyed cities will
be rebuild, drives everybody in sardonic laugh. Why, say, deliberately and consistently shell and
bomb Slavyansk, Semenovka and Kramatorsk, Mariupol and Happiness, transforming houses, schools,
kindergartens, hospitals, roads in a pile of rubble? Who and how will restored this huge damage.
At whose expense? The population continues to leave their homes and seek shelter with relatives
and friends.
How can you live with relatives and friends? The question will inevitably arise - what to do
next? Summer will fly in an instant, relatives tired, familiar ties cool down. To demand from the
people of the eternal mercy and altruism is naive. So where will return the inhabitants, for example,
Slavyansk? And how not to believe people who say that those cities were deliberately decided to
be leveled into parking lot, eliminated from off the face of the earth, to released the territory
for use to satisfy some of the more pressing needs of our government and, of course, its handlers?
Fleeing in terror Donbass residents do not want to believe themselves, in the soul realizing
that the conception of power that is: cleaning of the territory from the people for whom Lugansk,
Donetsk, Slavyansk, Kramatorsk - native land. To deprive people of soil, confidence, to make them
confused demoralized crowd, Diaspora others ' territories. Is not this a diabolical plan of the
new government?
The Ombudsman Lutkovska, which was terribly concerned about the violation of human rights on
the Maidan, but lapsed into deep silence right from the first day of the bombing of Donbass, suddenly
became concerned about the situation of migrants. This word means we have to call the people that
the war was driven from their perches. Such a sweet euphemism, in order to present refugees as a
capricious child that suddenly decided to change places. And they suddenly abandon their homes,
relatives, even Pets, and all at once starred in search of new impressions and high incomes.
Shame is not a smoke, it does not affect eyes. Lutkovska agree to call these people displaced
and discuss their resettlement problems. But only quietly, so as not to annoy the authorities. It
was not a criminal regime of Yanukovich. With new democrat in power you really can be physically
kicked in a head for such behaviour.
While the Ombudsman with the team run between the raindrops, liberal society abuse social network.
Some because of problems with their brains, and some for 25 cents for the comment. Refugees from
Donbas drawn the most infernal freaks, cattle, arrogant and stupid hangers-on and parasites. Conversion
of people of Donbass into Ukrainian variant of undermensch continues at a record pace that
no one had even slightest pity to them. Especially mad are young and conditionally young (20 to
35) ladies. These state your thoughts in this way, that the famous Ogre Bokassa would be red with
shame. If we are so nasty, why are you trying us to hold within Ukraine girls? Oh Yes, not us, we
does not matter, its the territory.
The world community keeps a conspiracy of silence around the tragedy of Donbass. The death of
women and children impresses no one. Our compatriots call us larvae and females of Colorado bugs.
Photographs and testimony of witnesses declared to be fiction or fakes from the Russian media.
The great writer Marquez, who told the world about the fantastic and tragic village of Macondo,
in one of the episodes provinces describes a situation like this. It's when the national army shot
3 thousand striking workers, whose corpses were thrown into the sea, and the story about it completely
erased from the collective memory. We thought, it does not happen - well, except that in the fantastic
and mysterious novels. It happens. Dying of sadness and loneliness, people are experiencing a terrible
tragedy all his life under dead silence indifferent spectators.
Biden assured Poroshenko that the whole world supports the Ukrainian government, who systematically
and methodically cleaning Donbass from the population, including, serving, in a way, commercial
interests of Mr. Biden's son...
The United Nations agree to acknowledge that refugees exist, and, for example, in Odessa, every
day comes 50-60 people. This, according to the UN raises certain concerns...
But in reality, people are afraid to contact the authorities and leaving thousands quietly for Russia,
getting primarily grey and crying out their eyes. Trying to disappear into the crowds of other cities
or to cross the border into Russia. Everyone remember the promise to hang, the promise of filtration
camps, "accommodation" in other provinces...
Against this background, the President's statements
about taking into account of interests of the inhabitants of Donbass look looks as cruel mockery.
Promises to negotiate even with separatists, even with those who have diametrically opposite views
on the future of Ukraine, could become a basis for optimism. If the authorities made any attempts
of such negotiations to begin. Instead, Poroshenko declares that the war united the nation, which
is now as united as never before. Why, then, to break such a valuable tool? It looks like you like
the was Mr. Poroshenko, don't you?
Therefore, real negotiations about peace, and tricks done by lapdogs at the order of the US owners
will never start. Also the government was taken hostage by the radicals. On Sunday yet another Maidan
"people assembly" showed who keeps fingers at the throat of the President. The list of requirements
of participants of the this "People Assembly" leaves no room for optimistic improvisations. From
power required stiffness, uncompromising and war.
And the President try to satisfy this new type of auditors/controllers of his behaviour - assuring
supporters that he will find and punish the murderers of the participants of the Maidan during sniper-gate.
In the process Poroshenko says wonderful phrase: "Never again will the Ukrainian government should
shoot at Ukrainian people. We must create a new situation. We will never stop. We defeated Yanukovich.
We will defeat bandits. We will build a new country, the country for which the people came out on
the Maidan".
Now let's think at whom Ukrainian authorities are shelling and killing at Slavyansk?
But if the participants of the "People Assembly" (Veche) can still be inspire by pathetic assurances
instead of hard cash, then how the radicals who on Sunday stormed Kiev Lavra Monastery under the
pretext of preventing armed rebellion, which, apparently, were held by elderly and very elderly,
who wanted to hold a procession for the peace of the country?
...
P.S. In anticipation of the sorrowful date June 22, 7-th channel of Kharkov TV, who as they say,
belongs to mayor Kernes, who promised in his time to break the Nazis arms and legs, showed interesting
documentary. The audience told how wonderful, how great this city was doing during the German occupation.
Banks, libraries and cinemas were working, the population attended concerts and were given loans.
And this is a great splendor was so rudely interrupted by the Soviet army. Well, it looks like 20
million of Soviet citizens committed mass suicide, at least according to the latest trends of the
Ukrainian ideological revolution
Mihail Baevsky
I'm not sure that the current Ukraine can help something besides that helped Germany in 1945.
Yesterday's pictures from Kiev, where pathetic behavioure of polit equipped according to the
latest "fashion". "Law enforcers", which were beaten by dozens agitated young men in masks,
who took from then shields, batons, etc. After seeing that I finally was convinced that when
those who are required by their duty to disperse insane morons put the organizers and leaders
in jail, but trying faster to slip in a safe place, the state is doomed. THIS STATE? THE UKRAINIAN
STATE NO LONGER EXIST. It became a place with the most dangerous for the world abscess that
need to be cured with surgery.
sever -> Mihail Baevsky
SHOCK... the COMPLETE MEDIEVAL DARKNESS... HORROR... AND all what Nyura wrote is true! This
is truth about current Ukraine! And absolute despair! To live with fascists and Bandera followers
is unbearable, But to split the territory from them is possible only via war! Such a wonderful
opportunities for people of Donbass!
These bastards will never negotiate; then want just another "March on Madrid!" They want
everybody behaved as they wish, or make a scorched territory out of those who resist. Why pity
those barbarians (as they think!) all those residents of Donbass.
But this will not be as they want. F*ck you, Western Ukrainian brothers!!! War kills on both
sides! And coffins already flying to West Ukraine. Sh*tty Ukrainian TV now shows magnificent
funerals of "Heroes", and or some reason we do not mind, because all the pity of our souls was
destroyed by their bombardments of our cities! The more of them die, the better.
Our children are dying, peaceful people are dying Nyura! Thanks a lot for the article...
Perhaps to change the mood, I should reread your past columns NURA! Funny, sarcastic, ironic!
Still Nura your analysis of the situation as depressing as it is pretty much precise diagnose
of the current situation. I don't like this situation. Oh, I really do not like it !!!
ksapp -> sever
Yes, It is evident that Nyura columns became more and more sad. When such things happen,
at some point sarcasm stop working.
If Poroshenko imagines he has any control over the forces attacking the people in the east he's
seriously deluded. The bombing and shelling will continue within hours but it will be explained
away as retaliation for "terrorist" actions. The full horrors of what his "army" has done to
the population of the region will soon be revealed when organisations like the UN and Red Cross
are finally allowed full access.
Anyone defending these atrocities should be ashamed of themselves.
according to German media the Ukrainian Military is criticizing Poroschenko's ceasefire. And
Kolomojski ignores it all together, his militia continues fighting.
Looks like Poroshenko
is not in full control to what happens in Ukrainia.
I read Poroshenko's ceasefire offer. It sounded more like a demand of surrender. There
is no way that the rebels would accept that. A real cease fire would be, well forces stop firing.
Implicit in this is that the forces would remain in place. However, Poro's offer requires that
the rebels disarm and turn over the territory they currently occupy to the central Ukrainian
forces. That is not a cease fire but a demand for unconditional surrender. He also throws in,
gratuitously, a refusal to allow the oblasts to elect their own governors, they will continue
to be appointed by the central president.
Well it seems that the oligarch Kolomoisky and the Rdical Party MP, Lyashko, both of whom
have funded battalions of paramilitaries, have both rejected the president's plan.
The ceasefire proposed by Poroshenko consisted in practice of an ultimatum for self-defense
forces that have opposed the regime brought to power in the US-backed and fascist-spearheaded
coup last February to either lay down their arms or face attack. In addition, he made clear
that the supposed truce would come only after Kiev's military had succeeded in sealing the country's
eastern border with Russia and expelling all of the volunteers who have come from Russia and
elsewhere to join in the defense of the eastern regions of Donestsk and Luhansk.
"There is no ceasefire over there," Mr Gubarev said. "There is shooting all the time,
and this ceasefire that Poroshenko is talking about is just fake. The Ukrainian forces are
either not under his control, or he is just a liar."
Dear colleagues!
Simply recollect from what all has begun? For those who has forgotten:
When there were known events on a Maidan and Янукович have been discharged of the power what
were the first decisions of "the new government" Ukraine? Correctly - to forbid Russian use!
It in the country in which a minimum the third part of the population uses it for dialogue!!!
Though personally I think, that it is even more such people. Reaction of the Russian-speaking
population was absolutely predicted. And this reaction has been precisely counted by analysts
of that country which and has organised all these events. To name this country it is necessary
or have already guessed? The help: is beyond Atlantic ocean, between Canada and Mexico.
Well and further that has turned out that has turned out. However miscalculations in plans of
transatlantic "friends" it has appeared quite enough. And the most important miscalculation
- was not possible to involve Russia in war with the the neighbour. Also know in what the error
of huge staff of transatlantic analysts with their super-power computers, global means of interception
and espionage consists? We are not at war With BROTHERS!!!
No, everything is started from pro-Russian president to refuse the will of MAJORITY of Ukrainians
to join economically EU.
That is main political cause for conflict.
Nobody was or even theoretically could prevent Russian people to speak their language wherever
they want, but now after Poroshenko's plan the status of Russian language is not even in question
- so all this Russian speaking propaganda is complete BS excuse created by Putin to start aggression
against Ukraine and Crimea occupation.
"everything is started from pro-Russian president to refuse the will of MAJORITY of Ukrainians
to join economically EU"
Except that is not true.At the time of the protests the polls all
showed the country was split down the middle on that question.Almost a 50-50 split on it.And
that a higher percentage opposed the protests than supported tthem.With the coup government
in power and their full propaganda media at work the numbers have changed.But when it should
have mattered the "Majority" did not support it.
Pushkin, "Appeal to the U.S. Congress" ( real name ODE TO DEFAMERS OF RUSSIA, 1831)
What do you make noise, folk opment?
Why do you threaten anathema Russia?
What angered you? excitement Lithuania?
Leave: this is a dispute between the Slavs themselves,
Home, an old argument, too weighted fate,
The question that does not allow you.
It has long been among themselves
These feuding tribes;
Not once drooped under the storm
Their, our side.
Who can stand in the unequal dispute:
Puffy Lyakh, il correct Ross?
Slavic miles streams merge into Russian sea?
It dry up? that's the question.
Leave us: you have not read
These bloody tablets;
You do not understand, you alien
And this family feud;
For you speechless Kremlin and Prague;
Pointless to seduce you
Wrestling desperate courage -
And you hate us ...
For what? responsible: for you,
What's on the ruins of a burning Moscow
We have not recognized impudent will
Addition, under whom you shaking?
For the fact in the abyss knocked
We are tending in the kingdoms of the idol
And our blood atoned
Europe's freedom, honor and peace? ..
You menacing in words - in fact try!
Or an old hero, the late to bed,
Unable to screw up your Ismail bayonet?
Ile Russian Tsar already powerless word?
Or we argue with Europe's new?
Or Russian lost the habit of winning?
Ile few of us? Or from Perm to Tauris,
Frigid from the Finnish rock to fiery Colchis,
Shocked by the Kremlin
The walls motionless China
Stubble gleaming steel,
Snaps Russian land? ..
Well so send us opment,
His embittered children:
There is a place named in the fields of Russia,
Among them nechuzhdyh coffins.
Thanks! A gem. WW2 was fought primarily in the Ukraine. The Russian Partisans were very effective
against the Germans. You can see they are not going to give up at all easily. Kiev must know
that so what's the game? Unless they depopulate it they are inviting a decade of guerrilla war.
So it must be they don't want it; they wish to God Putin would invade so NATO ends up guaranteeing
a border and they get shot of the Russian speakers and deal Russia herself a real blow with
sanctions. Every provocation under the sun is made. The language is of "destroying" people.
There are 7 million in the area.
20 died of poisonin by unknown gas in Odessa massacre - forensic expert... (Voice of Russia
Odessa House of Trade Unions Forensic Expert).
Not one European Leader or member of the EU
has yet to offer sympathy.
However Sahra Wagenknecht delivered a powerful speech to the German Bundestag including Odessa
and Marie Le Pen (whether you like her or not) has been public with regards what the EU is supporting
in Ukraine.
Let alone sympathy they don't even suggest it might be wrong. Ditto UN, Human Rights Watch,
Progressive media like the Guardian. A town has been under siege from a modern army for more
than a week or two. Constant random shelling had seen those that could flee. Punitive raids
from National Guard fascist volunteers makes life hard as does no water, electricity or much
food. Not a peep from the "great and the good". Maybe they overdo their "goodness"?
OK this is a BBC presstitute... Still in the stream of dezo there are some bits of truth... Typical
Western MSM, absolutely NO mention of the shelling of the Russian border posts, where a Russian was
severely injured.
Pavel Gubarev, self-styled governor of the "Donetsk People's Republic", said there was no ceasefire
near Slovyansk, a bastion of separatist forces.
"There is shooting all the time, and this ceasefire that Poroshenko is talking about is just
fake. The Ukrainian forces are either not under his control, or he is just a liar.''
The Kremlin had earlier dismissed the truce, saying it was "not an invitation to peace and
negotiations but an ultimatum".
Ulitskaya wrote that "the Russian media has set a world record of lying in Ukraine".
Her statement is stylistically illiterate. Who will decide that this is a "world record"? American
rating agencies? The human rights watch? The CIA? The fifth column?
But that's not the point.
The main thing is the ability to understand structure and orientation in a several huge stream
of false news.
Let's begin from the beginning. And try to answer questions. Professionally, of course.
Who and why and under whose strict guidance started ALL THIS EUROMaidan MESS? Against whom Maidan
was organized. Who initially was the aggressor, who is the victim and who is just active, mindless
crowd. Who and in what regions sent their troops to ensure the Kiev presence of "we are the power!"
crowd. To humiliate people and to subordinate their interests to nationalist idea. Who? To answer
these questions it is necessary to understand politics and the facts.
Who was Bandera - trivial turn coat, "a policeman" who were pretty numerious in times of WW2
in different countries from Romania to Russia. Or a fighter for the happiness of Galicia. What is
Galicia, what is Central Ukraine and how they are different from each other. What is Kiev? What
- South, Odessa or Donbass. To do this, you need to know the recent history.
You need to answer the question " what is the meaning of gas trade. These arguments, the arguments.
Who is right, the debtor or investor? Who try to bluff? And who controls Ukranian marionettes? What
is the privce of gas on world market of hydrocarbons ? Ho wit varies ? What does the US want, when
trying to block all alternative routes of Russian gas to Europe? So only through Ukraine. For this
purpose it is necessary to understand macroeconomics.
Military actions in Donbass. What troops and with whom are you fighting? Who on this side? Anyone
with that? As mobilized volunteers or forced conscripts, what ideas defend what weapon who support
them, some degree of humanism both sides have, etc..
Kakoe the involvement of the media? The media do? From this and from this side? What are their
fundamental differences?
Have you been to Ukraine? And what is there now?
And that's when you can answer these and many other questions, you can polzovat as Ulitskaya.
"World record". But Ulitskaya no answers to any of these questions.
Once I got sucked in "Incident of kukockogo". Well aware of serial work, when whole chapters
seemed impassable, written in haste and unnecessary. I thought, "well what are you stupid, Ulitskaya.
Well not the way to mock the reader."
But the graphomania is not a crime. As Chekhov said, there is no bullshit, which would not find
its reader. " And any jury will aqut such a writer.
Vice - is aggressly evaluate what you don't have any idea. Lyudmila did not even try to answer
the questions which I have mentioned above.
1. Most of them are not ethnic Russians.
In fact, unlike in Crimea, the vast majority are ethnic Ukrainians who speak Russian. Census data
from the Tsarist, Soviet, and post-Soviet eras uniformly confirm this for all of the Russian-speaking
oblasti in present-day Ukraine. At the same time, there is also a substantial Russian-speaking minority
in the southeast. There are many mixed marriages between Russians and Ukrainians and a large number
of southeasteners have family in Russia.
2. Their native region does not correspond entirely to historic Novorossiya.
The southeast also encompasses
other historical regions of Ukraine, notably Sloboda Ukraine (around Kharkiv), the Donbas (the
Donetsk basin), and Zaporozhia (centered on Dnepropetrovsk). The latter was an old Cossack territory
and is largely considered to be the "Piedmont of Ukraine," the place where the movement to unify
the Ukrainian people began. Yet regardless of whatever historical regions existed in the southeast,
one thing is clear: the vast majority of the people historically self-identified as either "Malorussians"
or "Ukrainians" in Tsarist, Soviet, and post-Soviet censuses. This is an indisputable fact.
3. They tend to be more cosmopolitan and, indeed, "Soviet" people. It is the
quality of multiculturalism that really dominates in this part of Ukraine. Ukraine's largest cities
are located here and this has attracted many people from other Soviet (and later ex-Soviet) republics
to move to this area. Ukrainian nationalism has much less traction in this part of the country and,
even more broadly, antisemitism and discrimination in general are less of an issue in the southeast
than in other parts of Ukraine. Jews are well-integrated and there have been many Jewish mayors
and governors. Mixed marriages between different ethnic groups is also a frequent phenomenon. Odessa
is perhaps the best example of a multicultural city in the Southeast.
4. Many of them, especially in the Donbas, are working-class people. The Donbas
is synonymous with industry in Ukraine. It was a significant region in the "Rustbelt" of the former
USSR, comparable to the Ruhr valley in Germany. The area remains very economically important for
Ukraine today. There are several large cities in this part of the country with large working-class
populations. It is a heartland for coal mining and, as an example of just how "working-class" it
is, one of its famous native sons is the great miner and Hero of Socialist Labor Aleksei Stakhanov.
The Stakhanovite movement had a major following in the Donbas.
5. Most of them support neither Euromaidan nor the post-Maidan government of Ukraine.
Despite hopeful predictions that Euromaidan would "unite Ukraine," the opposite has in fact occurred.
There were even more supporters of the 2004 Orange Revolution in the southeast than there were of
Euromaidan. Further, most favor membership in the Moscow-backed Eurasian Union as opposed to the
European Union and perceive the post-Maidan government as assuming power through illegal means or
even through a "coup." Few participated in the recent Ukrainian Presidential election which Petro
Poroshenko won. Most blame the United States and the Obama administration specifically for Ukraine's
most recent misfortunes.
6. Most of them disliked the corrupt regime of Viktor Yanukovych. Despite the
fact that Yanukovych registered consistent victories in the Russian-speaking oblasti of the southeast,
most nonetheless disliked his corrupt and incompetent government. Few, however, viewed the Euromaidan
revolution as the solution to the problem.
7. Most of them do not support the Donbas rebels. The rebels' Russian nationalist
ideology and advocacy of a "separate" identity for Ukraine's Russian-speakers has led the majority
of the people in the southeast to view them with distrust. The one aspect of the rebels that they
support is their general opposition to Kiev. Generally, the ideology of the rebels has failed to
catch-on beyond the Donbas. This is most certainly not due to any success on the part of Kiev's
"anti-terrorist operation," but rather by the rebels' own narrow and short-sighted nationalist dogma.
The rebels' nationalism is particularly unappealing in a progressive multicultural city like
Odessa on the Black Sea coast. With its mix of Russian, Ukrainian, Jewish, and Mediterranean influences,
Odessa is an irreverent city celebrated for its "love of the dandy in men and the daring in women."
It was "the St. Petersburg of the south," founded on the order Catherine the Great and her lover
Prince Potemkin with the vision of the Spanish General José de Ribas, after whom that the city's
famous Deribasovskaya Street is named. It was Odessa that was the scene of Pushkin's torrid love
affair with the wife of Prince Mikhail Vorontsov, producing some of the most beautiful Russian-language
poetry. It is also a city that brought the world Yiddish theatre, Babel, and Ilf and Petrov. Comedy
and humor are more than a staple of Odessa: they are a way of life. It is this inherent cultural
liberalism that explains why the rebels will never stand a chance here ideologically. But then again,
neither will Kiev.
8. Many of them view Russia favorably. Putin, Russia, and the Eurasian Union
are all still very popular here due to a mix of factors, including linguistic, familial, and economic
connections to Russia. However, few supported Russia's move to incorporate Crimea, though this has
only hurt Russia's credibility slightly. It should likewise be noted that support for Russia does
not necessarily mean support for the rebels whom most southeastern Ukrainians view with distrust.
The Soviet Union is also still greatly missed here and most are leftists when it comes to economics
partially due to this sense of nostalgia.
9. Most of them strongly oppose the "anti-terrorist operation." Kiev's
bombardment of towns and
cities, human right abuses, atrocities, the massive death toll of civilians, and the involvement
of right-wing groups like Right Sector (Praviy Sektor) have alienated most southeastern
Ukrainians against Kiev.
10. Most of them want more rights. These primarily include bilingualism and
the right to elect their own governors. Some advocate for a simple de-centralization in a reformed
unitary state while others favor federalism, and more extreme factions (a very small minority among
them) support a confederation. Most importantly, it must be emphasized that the vast majority of
southeastern Ukrainians do not want to secede from Ukraine.
Washington's putting all of the blame for the violence in the streets of Kiev on the government
is irresponsible and dangerous, Martin Sieff, chief global analyst at the Globalist Research Center
and editor-at-large at the Globalist told RT.
Sieff believes the turmoil in Ukrainian has been triggered by pressures from the EU, unwilling
to accept Kiev's decision to put European integration deal on hold. Now the stance that the US and
the EU have taken in supporting the insurgents in Ukraine might inspire similar processes in Western
Europe, where secessionist movements are on the rise.
RT: We've heard a number of people say on this very channel today, that with America's unconditional
backing - the opposition feels it can get away with a lot more. Could Washington's support be fueling
the violence?
Martin Sieff: To some degree yes but not totally. Washington is certainly culpable, but I think
Washington is being ill-served by Brussels and the European Union. The primary triggers for the
crisis came from the pressures that the European Union put on Ukraine and for the EU's refusal to
play a good loser when President Yanukovich decided that he could not go through with the terms
that the EU had laid down for association.
Washington has followed Brussels' lead continually on this and they should not have done so.
The US State Department, at the highest policy-making levels, is relatively weakly staffed when
it comes to Europe and, for that matter, Russia. The main emphasis in recent years has been primarily
on the Asian Pacific and also on the Middle East. They've ignored Europe and this lack of high-powered
expertise is now starting to tail.
RT: What do you make of Washington blaming the authorities in Kiev for this violence?
MS: It's a catastrophic move, it's a revolutionary move. There are far greater dangerous implications
to this than anybody in Washington or Western Europe seems to realize. It is placing the European
Union and the United States on the side of revolutionary chaos and disorder not just in other countries
around the world, which would be bad enough, but in the heartland of Europe. This is very dangerous
and irresponsible.
RT: Did the EU and the US not see the rise of nationalism and extremism in these riots? In effect
what we're seeing is a revolution and that's what the nationalists want. Is that what the EU and
US wanted?
MS: They ought not to want it, you're absolutely right. For the EU especially there is an enormous
paradox here. The forces that are seeking to break up Ukraine are the same forces that are seeking
to destabilize Western European nations. There are major secessionist movements within Western European
nations. We see Scotland, very peacefully, about to become independent with its referendum vote
scheduled for later this year. Spain has acted very successfully to prevent the disintegration of
its country, especially the Barcelona/Catalonia region. The Northern league is a very powerful force,
and a relatively moderate responsible force but if rioting was taking place in the street of Spain,
France, Italy, Britain, with the express purpose of toppling the government and splitting the state,
Europe would not be fanning the forces of destruction along. They would be reining them in. Why
then are they fanning the flames over there [in Ukraine]?
"Merkel's comments reflect an effort by EU powers to gain leverage over Putin by using Poroshenko's
cease-fire as a trigger for expanded sanctions if Putin doesn't cooperate."
Russia dismissed Ukraine's declaration of a week-long cease-fire as an "ultimatum" and the U.S.
imposed sanctions on people linked to the insurgency, accusing the government in Moscow of aiding
separatists.
Ukraine called on all fighters to lay down arms, halting the offensive against rebels from 10
p.m. yesterday until 10 a.m. on June 27, President Petro Poroshenko said on his website.
'Impose Costs'
U.S. President Barack Obama yesterday spoke by phone with French President Francois Hollande
and German Chancellor Angela Merkel, agreeing in separate conversations that the U.S. and European
Union would "impose costs" on Russia if doesn't work to deescalate the situation, the White House
said in an e-mailed statement.
'Decisive' Days
"The days ahead will be very decisive for what we can decide" at the summit, Merkel told reporters
in Berlin. "We expect Russia to respond in a positive and constructive way." While Germany wants
to see a cease-fire, "there is planning" for other outcomes as well, she said.
Merkel's comments reflect an effort by EU powers to gain leverage over Putin by using Poroshenko's
cease-fire as a trigger for expanded sanctions if Putin doesn't cooperate. Ukraine plans to
sign and association agreement with the EU on June 27 in Brussels.
The U.S. and the EU have imposed sanctions on people and companies close to Putin, while threatening
the government in Moscow with unspecified economic penalties as pro-Russian separatists clash with
Ukrainian forces.
U.S. companies are prohibited from doing business with individuals and entities on the sanctions
list, and all assets of those designated that are within U.S. jurisdiction must be frozen, according
to the Treasury.
... ... ...
Poroshenko met political and business leaders from conflict-wracked regions two days ago to muster
support for his peace efforts. His 15-point peace includes early parliamentary and local elections,
job creation in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions and freeing all seized buildings and abducted people,
according to the statement.
Before the cease-fire can be implemented, Ukraine must reassert control over its border with
Russia, across which fighters have crossed, according to Poroshenko. Defense Minister Mykhaylo Koval
told lawmakers yesterday that the border is secured.
Russia is increasing security because it's concerned about the situation on the border, though
it's not building up troop levels, Yuri Ushakov, Putin's foreign-policy aide, said yesterday.
The separatists are willing to consider the plan, according to Andrei Purgin, a deputy premier
of the self-declared Donetsk People's Republic.
"If we see a true cease-fire, we may stop our actions as well," he said by phone. "But I think
there will be no cease-fire. In practice these statements are only political."
I think the UN report counts the rebels as civilians, as they are not part of an organised army.
This means thhat a) at least 100 soldiers have died, b) the UN report cleverly hides the actual
number of unarmed civilians that have died form shelling, as the 257 number is open to interpretation,
and a certain side can claim they were all "terrorists".
Poroshenko's office said he emphasised the need for introducing effective border controls
and quickly releasing hostages.
This effective border controls is essentially the
creation
of a 10km (6 miles) buffer zone on the Ukrainian-Russian border.
It sounds more like an attempt to trap and crush any rebel fighter after they give up their
weapons, instead of a true peace offering. Besides, the rebels have already stated what they
want, an independent People's Republic on Donbas and Luhansk.
And we are still waiting for Petro to implement his much awaited unilateral ceasefire, because
every time he announces a new peace plan, the Ukrainian army attacks more check points, and
more soldiers and national guards die.
Just leave it already, pull the army back and start real negotiations, not the US-style
Joe Biden told you to do!
Weirdly, Turchynov
says the border is now under Ukrainian control. It is a long border, and he is prone to
be economical with the truth, so I doubt it:
Verkhovna Rada Speaker Oleksandr Turchynov has said that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have
shut down the Ukrainian-Russian border.
" pro-Russian rebels " three times and one 'rebels'.
Exactly. If you resist a fascist
putsch that overthrows the government that you elected (in a free and fair election), and everyone
but the Russians call you a terrorist rather than a democrat, that makes you a
"pro-Russian rebel". Even if you are as angry as hell with the Russians because they shamefully
leave you to face genocide with no practical help at all.
Well, at least the Russians aren't actively helping the Nazis, as my own country (and most
of its press) are*.
(*) Honourable exception: Mark Franchetti of The Sunday Times, who was invited onto a Ukrainian
TV discussion programme to tell them about all the Russian spetznaz troops he had seen in Novorosia.
Today a 5-year old child died in hospital after 4-hours of figting for his life by doctors.
Hit on playing yard in sleeping district of the city by mortar shell. Mother was killed
instantly.
A 5-year-old child's body riddled with mortar-bomb splinters?
It's a doll - or the terrorists did it.
It is all Russian lies!!!!!
Kremlin Propaganda!!!!
Few, if any, similar reports in the Western press - apart from those concerning the deaths
of Ukrainian soldiers, which proves that the Russian "news" is fabricated.
Senkt euch, Banner der blutigen Jahre
senkt euch über die Helden der Schlacht
froh des Sieges, vergessen wir niemals
die ihr Höchstes zum Opfer gebracht.
Die gefallen für Freiheit und Vaterland
für die kommunistische Idee.
Nie verwelken die Kränze des Ruhmes
auf den Gräbern der Roten Armee.
Über die Gräber der Gefallnen
an den Stätten, die uns Mahnmal sind
hebt die blutroten Fahnen
AMHants -> km1876, 20 June 2014 12:04pm
There is a good article on Info Wars by Kirk Nimmo. if you like Craig Paul Roberts, you possibly
might like Kirk Nimmo. The article is: - CNN Steers Blame For Terror Away From CIA and USA...
Well worth reading.
worldsgonemadagain -> AMHants, 20 June 2014 5:35pm
Real info here: This video shows the cause for fighting by both sides. It feature Ukrainian
soldiers who have been captured explaining that they must take the pay or face 15 years in jail.
One soldier admits he is a paid mercenary. The rebel fighters explain that they do not mercilessly
kill the wounded as the soldiers of the Kiev junta have been doing.
There is another FB site, 'Truth about the situation in Ukraine', which is worth looking
into, together with the site you mentioned.
Александр Адамский, 20 June 2014 12:20pm
Geologist, geographer Jen Psaki: in Rostov region no Ukrainian refugees, but there is a mountain
The official representative of US state Department Jen Psaki once again gave the journalists
a reason to doubt her competence. Answering a question about Ukrainian refugees arriving in
Rostov region, she said that it really tourists coming to breathe "curative mountain air".
"In Russia there are no refugees from the Ukraine. In Ukraine, all is calm and under our
control," she said during a briefing on June 19. Then the journalist Matthew Lee Associated
Press, which often sets Psaki inconvenient questions, asked, " who is these women and children
crossing the Russian border.
"It's the tourists. In the Rostov mountains wonderful healing mountain air", - quotes Psaki
"Russian newspaper". State Department spokesman did not specify where exactly in the Rostov
region are located the mountain resorts. Internet users kidding - apparently, the same place
where the Belarusian sea.
The Rostov region is in the southern part of the East European plain and partially in the
North Caucasus, occupying a large area in the river basin of the Lower don. The nature of the
surface of the region's territory is a plain dissected by river valleys and gullies. Maximum
height above sea level - 253 ft.
Q: "Madame Albright. What can you say about the 100 thousand Iraqi infant deaths?"
A: "It was worth it".
Cannot make this shit up. And thanks to the Neo Fascist USA there is no need to make anything
up. But there is a need to get the truth out there. There is an Iron Curtain around the US people
to prevent them from knowing the truth about their Masters and what is being done in their name.
The single best report on the US/EU involvement in the coup in Ukraine are these
two articles.But I want to bring attention to this important part of the articles.There was
a conference in Crimea in 2013 and Serge Glazyev spoke about the danger for Ukraine of the proposed
EU agreement.He was ignored,but everything he feared has or is coming to pass:
Vladimir Putin's man on Ukraine – the economist Sergey Glazyev – also spoke at the conference,
where he repeated earlier warnings. If Ukraine signed the EU agreement and removed its protective
tariffs, higher quality EU goods would flood the country and make it difficult for local producers
to compete. It would also force Russia – Ukraine's principle trading partner – to defend its
own borders with higher tariffs and tighter controls. Ukraine's trade balance would grow worse,
creating a default of 25 to 35 billion Euros, which would deplete the country's foreign exchange
reserves within 6 months.
"Who will pay for Ukraine's default?" Glazyev asked. "Is Europe ready to take on this
burden of financial responsibility?"
In sideline discussions with Western media, Glazyev went beyond economics. Social and
political costs of EU integration could cause separatist movements to spring up in the Russian-speaking
east and south Ukraine, which could cause Russia to consider void the bilateral treaty that
delineates the borders between the two countries.
"Russia threatens to back Ukraine split," ran the headline in Rupert Murdoch's Times of
London on September 23. Signing the association agreement with Brussels "could lead to the break-up
of the Ukrainian state," Glazyev told the paper. He compared it to Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia,
both of which split in the 1990s. Russia, he said, would be legally entitled to support the
breakaway regions.
Legally, perhaps, just as the vast majority NATO and EU nations recognized Kosovo's secession
from Serbia in 2008. Historically "the big brother" of the predominantly Eastern Orthodox Serbs,
Russia still refuses to recognize Kosovo, but used the Western precedent to recognize the two
breakaways from Georgia – Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Legal precedents cut in many different
directions. The real issue is geostrategic. Fighting over territory along Russia's borders could
all too easily lead to military confrontation between the world's top nuclear powers.
Archpriest Nikolai Fomenko:
Approximately 11 hours of the day started with volleys Karachun mountains. Some shells were
aimed at the railway station. One of them went through the Alexander Nevsky Cathedral and hit
the five-story building behind the cathedral. The house has punched a big hole ripped balcony.
Splinters damaged the altar wall. The temple from the blast fell stained glass, broken window.
The building itself is intact.
All very scared. It started last night, night shot too - were fighting in the city, and beyond.
Hostilities have ceased. Goes offensive, neighbors began fighting. Natsgvardiya manpower moving
to the city, eventually tied the battle. As already mentioned, for the cathedral and around
him no roadblocks and militia headquarters. Why shoot in this way - does not matter to me. Shot
residential quarters, the private sector. The impression that is intimidating people sown panic.
Of course, the townspeople grow not only fear, but also irritation
06/21/2014. Statement by the Prime Minister Alexander Beard DNR.
"Despite yesterday's statement by the President of Ukraine ceasefire Ukrainian army from
20 to 27 June, in the morning on May 21 Sloviansk shelling continued. Allegedly Poroshenko peace
proposals were originally inadmissible because actually demanded the surrender of the national
militia DNR. Meanwhile, the president of one state can not demand to surrender to the armed
forces of another State. This is absurd. Poroshenko and other leaders of the Kiev junta's time
to realize that they have jurisdiction to Donetsk People's Republic does not apply, the DNI
- an independent state. If the Ukrainian army still cease fire, to take advantage of this republic
removal of the wounded and children of Slavic and delivery of humanitarian assistance. confirmed
once more that can not be trusted to Poroshenko. We even stopped trying to guess what is the
reason: duplicity of the Poroshenko, or lack of control of the Ukrainian army. "
according to German media the Ukrainian Military is criticising Poroschenkos
ceasefire. And Kolomojski ignores it all together, his militia continues fighting.
Looks like Poroshenko is not in full control to what happens in Ukrainia.
South Ossetian President Leonid Tibilov signed a decree on the recognition of independence of
Lugansk national Republic (LNR) in the East of Ukraine. On Wednesday, deputies of the South Ossetian
Parliament, gathered for a special session...
..., unanimously adopted an appeal in which he asked the President to recognize the independence
of Lugansk.
As have informed RIA Novosti the representative of the South Ossetian President, the decree says
that Tibilov took this decision "taking into account the will of the people LNR".
"Taking into account the will of the people and the appeal of the Supreme Council LNR to the
President of the Republic of South Ossetia on recognition of the sovereignty LNR, supported by the
Parliament <...>, decide to admit Lugansk people's Republic as a sovereign independent state", -
is spoken in the decree.
Tibilov instructed the Ministry of foreign Affairs of South Ossetia to hold talks on establishing
diplomatic relations with LNR and issue relevant documents attained agreement.
In Ukraine on 22 February, there was a coup d'etat. A number of South-Eastern regions did not
recognize the legitimacy of the new authorities began rallies of supporters of independence. Against
who disagree with the policies of the new authorities in Kiev from mid April conducts military special
operations aviation and armored vehicles. In Moscow this special operation, which has already resulted
in numerous casualties on both sides and among the civilian population, called punitive and encourage
Kiev to immediately stop it.
In Donetsk and Lugansk regions may 11, held a referendum on the status of regions. About 90%
of the participants voted for independence proclaimed in early April, Donetsk and Lugansk national
republics. Kyiv authorities considered these as a terrorist organization.
Increasingly, our friends in Russia and other countries are asking the question: "Ukrainians,
what happened to you? You were normal, sensible people, you lived without war and were not inclined
to aggression. You used to laugh about attempts of bonehead nationalists to blame Russia and their
desire to start a war with it But now the degree of infection with evil of Russophobia virus in
the Ukrainian society is through the roof". It is difficult to dispute this sad fact.
Ten years ago it was almost impossible to meet a bone head nationalist in the area of Ukraine
East of the Zbruch. Of course, there was the UNA-UNSO and similar organizations, but they were social
outcasts that in their numbers on the same level as "goth" or Satanists. In Western Ukraine, the
Russophobes always existed, but they did not determine the social weather.
And people would only laughter at the suggestion that some time in the future a significant part
of the population of Ukraine, including its Central and South-Eastern regions, will hate Russia
and, moreover will be ready to fight against Russia and Russians, But the fact remains. Anti-Russian
"EuroMaidan" was predominantly Russian-speaking (as opposed to the "Maidan" ten years ago). Football
fans, who staged "the Odessa Khatyn", came mainly from Kharkiv and Odessa itself. Both the leaders
of bandit formations like "Donbass" and "Azov" and most of rank and file militants are Russian-speaking
natives from Eastern regions. Finally, Internet trolls, rejoicing murders of "Colorado bugs", with
rare exceptions, wrote thier nefarious misery in the language of Pushkin.
All this suggests one thing: Ukrainian society drifted toward more nationalism became much more
Russophobic. Moreover, this Russophobia is impossible to limit to Galicia, from a purely regional
phenomena it became the all-Ukrainian. And an old type of Ukrainian nationalist is mostly gone.
I mean the individual in embroidered Ukrainian national shirt, tearing his throat for "Ridna movu",
who consider Bandera his spiritual leader and cherish heritage WWII nationalist formations. Tyagnybok,
who with some changes represents this type of nationalists, gained 1% of the votes, which represent
another proof of that fact. The current nationalist is indifferent to Ukrainian national shirts
has difficulties understanding who h Bandera was. In camouflage and Balaklava he feels more comfortable
than in national shirt. And often he does not know Ukrainian language with the exception of a dozen
of standard slogans like "glory to Ukraine", "death to enemies", and "Let's put all Moskal on gallows".
Why this transformed Ukrainian nationalism captured the minds of the Russians by birth and upbringing
people from Eastern Ukraine, why the people of Ukraine turn into the wild Russophobic herd - is
the subject of further conversation.
... Take the 2008 "war" in former Soviet Georgia. The Pentagon spent years trying to form Georgia
into an anti-Russian, US-dominated puppet. Then, during the Olympic games in Beijing, the US-educatated
president of Georgia decided to please his masters by initiating artillery bombardment of civilians
in a disputed enclave in Georgia inhabited by Russian citizens. In response, the Russians rolled
into Georgia, mopped it up, annexed the disputed territory (plus another one) and left. Western
media dutifully whitewashed Georgian war crimes and did their best to paint Russia as the aggressor.
But his masters were not pleased, and its US-educated president was left to twist in the wind as
a political corpse.
A similar fiasco started unfolding in Ukraine in the spring of 2014. You see, the US foreign
policy and military establishments are quite compulsive in their unceasing efforts to undermine
Russia. The 1%ers who own the US government also have a personal vendetta gainst Putin. They can't
forgive him for what he did to Russia's oligarchs who did so much to undermine Russia under Yeltsin:
he de-fanged and de-clawed them, banning them from politics and depriving them of political influence.
During the Winter Olympics in Sochi, the democratically elected president of Ukraine was overthrown
in a coup supported by a false flag operation in which mercenary snipers killed scores of civilians
and policemen. In his place the US installed a hand-picked junta that included some neo-Nazi
elements. This fiasco is still unfolding; I will return to it in a moment.
Another fiasco that is still brewing is the return to power of the Taliban in Afghanistan. This
is likely to be the end result of the longest US military campaign ever, which cost two trillion
dollars, and resulted in a few thousand dead and tens of thousands wounded. The US blundered into
Afghanistan looking for Osama bin Laden, who, it later turned out, was quietly living next to an
army base in Pakistan. Oops, wrong country! Speaking of Pakistan, as a bonus point, the US has managed
to destabilize this nuclear-armed nation, as the recent attack on the airport in Karachi has shown.
Two fiascos for the price of one!
The foreign policy fiascos in Ukraine and Afghanistan are not quite at the "all at once" stage.
But last week we were treated to a rare spectacle: two trillion dollars of US investment in the
Iraqi nation-building experiment, including four thousand dead and fifty thousand wounded US soldiers
went up in smoke. A group called ISIS, which is far too radical for Al Qaeda, has emerged out of
Syria and has swiftly slaughtered its way across northern Iraq and is now knocking on the gates
of Baghdad. In response, members of the US-trained, US-equipped Iraqi police and military have been
taking off their uniforms, abandoning their weapons and fleeing. Internally displaced persons in
northern Iraq now number in the millions. The fiasco in Iraq works synergistically with the fiasco
in Syria, where a long-running US attempt at regime change has produced a civil war that has allowed
ISIS to organize and arm itself. The end result may turn out to be a rabidly anti-American caliphate
spanning much of what was formerly known as Syria and Iraq, and a southern Iraq dominated by Iran:
success indeed!
In the meantime, the US attempt to stage-manage Ukraine has been going so well that there is
pretty much a full Western media blackout on what's happening there. This is not the case in Russia:
in spite of fully accredited Russian journalists being harassed and kidnapped by pro-government
people, Russian media is filled with detailed coverage of Ukrainian neo-Fascist marches, death squads
and atrocities. Just last night the Ukrainians shelled a maternity ward, killing a midwife. This
makes the Russians very, very angry-not so much at the Ukrainians, mind you, or even the Ukrainian
troops, who are, you guessed it, taking off their uniforms and abandoning their weapons every chance
they get. No, the Russians are angry at the American puppet-masters behind the mess.
The Russians also seem to understand full well that they are being provoked with the idea of
drawing Russia into an armed conflict. Here is a short list of American provocations against Russia
(a big thank-you to Saker for putting this together):
•Recognition of an illegal regime which came to power through violence
•Supporting a neo-Nazi regime on Russia's border
•Massive anti-Russian propaganda in Western (oligarch-owned) media
•Kidnapping of fully accredited Russian journalists
•Whitewashing of massacres of civilians in Odessa and Mariupol
•Illegal use of prohibited cluster bombs and white phosphorus munitions on civilians
•Artillery bombardment of entire towns
•Attack on the Russian embassy in Kiev
•Blocking of UN Security Council resolution condemning the attack on the Russian embassy in Kiev
•Car-bombing of public officials in eastern Ukraine
•(Unsuccessful) attempts at imposing sanctions on Russia
•Covert importation into Ukraine of planes and helicopters from NATO countries to be deployed against
civilians
•Covert use of several hundred Western mercenaries from Academi (former Blackwater)
•Massacres of wounded soldiers in hospitals
•Systematic violations of all agreements reached with the participation of Russia
•Bombing of churches and hospitals (this has started happening in the last 24 hours)
•Refusal to provide escape corridors for trapped civilians
These are just some of the things you are unlikely to hear about if you live in the West. What
you are likely to hear instead is that Putin invaded Crimea. He didn't; the Russian troops were
in Crimea the entire time, based on a long-standing international agreement, and Russian troop levels
never exceeded agreed-upon levels. You are also likely to hear that Putin forcibly annexed Crimea.
He didn't; the people of Crimea overwhelmingly voted to annul the Soviet decision to lump them into
Ukraine and rejoined Russia of their own free will. But Crimea now part of Russia, peaceful and
prosperous, and taking in Russian refugees that are streaming in from across the Ukrainian border,
and the new mantra repeated endlessly by Western media is that Ukrainian forces (the good guys)
are battling "pro-Russian separatists" (the bad guys) who are causing chaos in the east of the country.
First of all, they are not "pro-Russian"-they are Russian, no different from the ones right across
the border in Russia. Second, they are not "separatists,"-they want to rejoin Russia, undoing the
Soviet-era decision to lump their bit of Russia into Ukraine.
So how are these valiant defenders of Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity doing?
The pro-Ukrainian separatists are more or less able to hold onto one airport and one hill near Slaviansk
and Kramatorsk. They have taken Krasny Liman, and committed a massacre in the hospital there. And
they apparently have about a thousand troops surrounded in the Lugansk airport. They sent an IL-76
(world's largest transport plane) to rescue and resupply them, but it got shot down. This is not
for lack of trying. The Ukrainians started their Nazi-inspired reign of terror with baseball bats,
then moved on to knives, then guns, assault rifles, machine guns, mortars, artillery, multiple rocket
launchers, attack helicopters, attack aircraft, cluster munitions, and now even white phosphorus.
The head of the MIA of Ukraine and the Governor of Dnepropetrovsk region are suspected in
the murder, the use of prohibited methods of warfare and kidnapping.
The investigative Committee of Russia has opened a criminal case against the Governor of Dnepropetrovsk
region of Ukraine Igor Kolomoisky and Minister of internal Affairs Arsen Avakov. They are suspected
in the murder, the application of prohibited means and methods of warfare, kidnapping and impeding
the lawful activities of a journalist.
According to investigators, Avakov with Kolomoisky and other officials of the defense Ministry,
since April 12, he organized and supervised the conduct of combat operations of the Ukrainian military,
members of the national guard of Ukraine and "the Right sector", as well as by the soldiers of the
battalion of special purpose "Dnipro" of the Ministry of interior of Ukraine. The latter was created
and funded directly Kolomoisky.
During this operation when the shelling of cities Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Donetsk, Mariupol
and other settlements, proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk National Republics in violation of international
law was applied systems of volley fire "Grad", aviation rockets, which has killed more than
100 civil violence.
Among the dead - the Russian journalists Igor Korneluk and Anton Voloshin, human rights
activist Andrei Mironov, a citizen of Italy photographer Andrea Rockelli.
more than 200 civilians were injured,more than 500 houses destroyed and/or burnt,- told
"Izvestia" TFR spokesman Vladimir Markin.
There were also destroyed the objects of municipal services and livelihoods, hospitals,
children's and educational institutions, resulting in more than 50 thousand inhabitants were
forced to leave place of residence, as refugees residing in Russia.
In addition, the investigators believe that with the knowledge Avakov and Kolomoisky was organized
the kidnapping of the journalists of the TV company "Zvezda" Andrei Sosenkova and Anton Malyshev,
unlawful seizure of journalists of the TV and radio company of Evgeny Davydov and Nikita Konashenkov,
and a number of other Russian journalists.
In the near future Russia intends to issue a decree on convicting Avakov and Kolomoiskiy as the
accused, and try them in the court as absentees. They also will be declared in the international
search as individuals accused of committing crimes against peace and humanity.
Russia has treaties on extradition with 65 member countries of Interpol, which consists of a
total of 188 countries. However, even this agreement does not guarantee sucess in this particular
case. If Igor Kolomoisky and Arsen Avakov, will be announced in the international search by Russian
law enforcement agencies, formally, they may be detained in any of these countries. However, the
agreement between the participants of Interpol does not guarantee the extradition of the offender.
- There are many nuances. For example, the authorities of a particular country will be finding
out whether the charges claimed by Russia, have analogs in thier own laws. They can reject persecution
on political, religious and other reasons, - told "Izvestia" one of the senior officers of the Prosecutor
General. - If there are no formal obstacles, then the person may be detained. Only after that begins
the complex procedure of his extradition to another country.
Further to the report filed by UN Human Rights Commissioner Navi Pillay (Harvard Law, a Ban
Ki-Moon nominee), she finds "a
climate of fear" in eastern Ukraine. Brilliant!!
Oh, wait. It's not caused by the military
forces of the coup government who are shelling them – it's caused by the rebels!!!
Yup, "People were being threatened to the extent that they feared for their lives and
did not dare to vote or leave the area…The lack of law and order was undermining basic services
such as education and water supplies in those areas", say the compilers of this landmark
report, which showcases for all to see just how wet and fucking useless the entire United Nations
organization is. At long last, in a reality-bender that makes me a little dizzy, I find myself
in agreement with John Bolton, whom I would once have driven over with my car as he lay in the
street just to hear his old birdy-bones crunch, when he
famously claimed "…the UN Secretariat Building in New York has 38 stories. If it lost 10
stories it wouldn't make a bit of difference". You go, John. Who knows if he was right then,
but he's sure as hell right now. The UN is useless, too feeble to get out of its own way and
is now just a talking-shop for those who consider themselves too smart to get a real job. It's
the lack of law and order in the east, which Kiev is eager to bring to it with artillery barrages,
which is responsible for the shutoff of water supplies and interruptions to the school curriculum.
I swear, it's enough to make you wish for a cleansing lightning bolt from heaven which would
turn the entire United Nations into a puff of ozone.
Which brings me back to my earlier question. How many refugees fled the Donbass between the
time they declared their independence and the time the Kiev government showed up to start killing
them unless they capitulated and did as they were told? Now, how many have fled since then?
Is it not sufficiently clear who is causing the problem?
Evidently not, because Pillay's advice to the federalists whom the central government has
already burned alive and bombarded in their homes with artillery is to put down the guns and
surrender to the fascists and Nazi-lovers who say that if they want to speak Russian they are
welcome to leave their homeland and go to Russia. "The time has come to put down the guns
and talk. Peace and reconciliation, and long-term solutions are certainly attainable."
says Pillay brightly.
I guess she didn't see the exterminator commercial.
The UN tells the Russians of eastern Ukraine that their complaints are baseless, that a violent
coup d'etat is nothing to be upset about, that the banning of their language is no injustice,
that the legalisation and arming of ultra-nationalist groups who demand a 'pure Ukraine' and
scream about butchering Russians is no cause for concern.
The UN in short, tells them that
they must submit to whatever the unelected regime in Kiev dishes out, and if they think they're
being attacked or oppressed it's all in their heads.
If the UN is going to take sides like this, then its personnel should be treated as military
targets. Perhaps UN officials would bring a bit of balance to their work if they had reason
to fear for their lives.
The crown event of this bloody weeks, the week at the end of which the war in Donbass was to
end, as we were promised by this does tough and sharp President Poroshenko, who does not throw words
to the wind, was the attack on the Russian Embassy.
This action looks like stupid entertainment of even more stupid and ignorant freaks only at first
glance. Even superficial analysis of this magnificent event clearly shows cool idea of its producers,
which is evident even to the most naive political observers. It is evident that don't even try to
hide what result those monkey dances Vozduhoflotsky Prospect they count.
Funny Disney cartoon Association with can who is trolled by small mice, cheeky screaming "You
despicable coward, come out for an honest fight," of course, instantly come to mind. But possible
consequences of this circus for the country are such that even black humor looks pretty much out
of context.
So, obviously, the task that was put before Ukrainian puppets was to get into the war with Russia.
Our American curators is vital to push in the war of the two neighboring countries, after a terrible
battle in a foreign land they can parasitical on the battlefield. Analysts say that the Americans
are interested in shale gas, protected from unnecessary population empty territory, which is no
other interest than the purely pragmatic world race for energy resources. People? Their rights?
Their life? Do not make laugh. Americans will never stop victims among
Untermensch. I wonder, by the way, why Ukrainian
nationalists think that they themselves do not belong to this category of mammals - have, and will
used like bathroom tissue and thrown out as soon as something valuable is discovered on their Galicia
territories. Something that can make great money. After warm up in the Donbass as for depopulation
of region, the similar tactics can be allied at the rest of the Ukrainian territories with grace
and ease typical for the USA, so don't be fooled.
(Oh, and this Untermensch thing is not
just a figure of speech in this satire. Yatsenyuk has already publicly call pro-federalization militias
subhumans. Published in black and while of Ukrainian embassy in the USA website)
Other analysts believe that the Americans have not only to switch Europe to new (probably more
expensive) gas supplier, but also to strengthen the geopolitical status of Ukraine as Anti-Russian
state. Otherwise it is unclear why Nuland for years send cookies spending something like 5 billion
dollars. It's not for in order to get in Ukraine democratic multicultural country with two official
languages and huge territories on which they both Orthodox and Catholics people live as brothers
and consider Russia to be their friend. What Americans always needed is a huge homogenous and monolithic
rusty nail to put it in soft place of the Russian Federation, and this project lovingly and consistently
developed the way they want. The key words here is nationally humonenius and virulently anti-Russian
(hello Lvov and Volyn).
In case went all - even shameless ideologist of the Communist party, an official fighter against
Ukrainian nationalists and dissidents, famous hypocrite Kravchuk was washed out and put to use.
And a total Ukrainization of the East and South of the country started exactly with his Presidency.
. Then came "Red Director" Kuchma, who like to blabber about diversity and the rights of men, while
consistently reducing the area of application of Russian language in all spheres of life and creating
almost Baltics countries level of language apartheid in Ukraine. He almost gave out that the final
goal is nothing but creating anti-Russian national unity within the country.
After Kravchuk things went more smoothly it was just plain sailing. Stupid and shortsighted loser
Yushchenko, who is now famous figure in demotivators of all sorts, in reality was very successful
in one particular area. He completed the process of transformation of our country in a hostile to
Russia geopolitical entity.
So fo me it was always funny to see stupid and naive questions like - "Why it was impossible
to make Russian the second state language and to allow Donbass to watch movies in Russian?!" or
"Why the number of Russian schools have to be cut each year and why you Democrats want that? We
all love Ukraine, but we want to give to preserve their identity."
Yeah, God bless the soils who want to preserve their identity, and want their children to study
the history of Ukraine as they used to and bears some resemblance to reality. And to study not using
the programs and textbooks designed to kill any attachment to the Great Northern neighbor. The project
Ukraine was designed with completely different goals. And it was fully implemented - with each year
residents of the South-East more and more used to the new wonderful world, their children study
using history books, in which there are told about 140-thousand-years history of Ukraine, University
professors in all seriousness was planting the idea that Jesus of Galilee, was born in Galicia,
and Sanskrit is actually ancient Ukrainian, and all other languages of the world were derived from
Ukranian. And that it is Ukraine that was the place where elephants were first roaming.
Russian language was exterminated even in Russian schools, they simply stop to teach it and everything
smoothly moved toward full assimilation of Uniate Galichia of the rest of Ukraine, at least in few
generations. But the USA sponsores who spent five billions on nationalist cookes, apparently, don't
have patience to wait so long. They decided to speed the process by force. Obviously one of the
reasons is chronic economic crisis in the USA and desire to subdue Europe which already became a
dangerous economic force and competitor. the competitor which was propelled by cheap Russian energy
and able sell their goods at huge Russian market. Moreover those totally ungrateful to the USA jerks
started with Mother Russia a number of mutually beneficial economic projects.
To count those trends, America carefully cultivated huge fifth column among journalists and public
activists, bribing them with free foreign trips to plush conferences, foreign education for them
and chilren, and grants. As well as small but important things such as free lunches and coffee breaks
on smart "international" conferences in Kyiv, mainly devoted to one theme - how can we speed up
the convertion of Ukraine into Anti-Russian state. And as we all know ther is no such thing as free
lunch.
Cookies and lunches were very well received and all huge number of professional grant-eaters,
which by reasonable estimates constitutes almost 90% of the journalistic community in Kiev, as well
as numerous "well-fed" political scientists, political technologists, the spin doctors and other
"Kreaklys" ("creative betrayers") accustomed to comfort and free lunches started to man ideolifical
trenches and fire at everybody who does not subscribe to thier well paed point of view. In other
words they started to destroy thier own country as pigs in a famous Krylov fable.
And now, when for the sake of geopolitical interests of the USA, the this great power with Hollywood,
the new government of Ukraine almost does not hide that they just US puppers, managed from Washington
Obcom. And they are motivated not stopped even beforeo bombing cities of Ukraine and shooting from
mortars own citizens under shrill spells about united Ukraine. They did not even managed to remove
kilometer long partiotic slogans which cover buling destroyed during maidan and resttore Kreschatic
to normal appearance. As classic used to say about particular type of women, they do not wear down
even one pair of shoes.
So, Donbass enthing cleanthing is at full speed, and it looks as if they really decided to leave
the scorched earth, wild field. Nobody cared about small fact that people used to live at those
places becuase they are not real people, they are Undermench. So no one announces mourning for the
innocent lives ruined,chilre killed, etc. This is just an Iraq-style hypocritical cannibal world
were no community feelings are allowed, and the leaders of the country with frozen our conscienceis
not even pretend that they are not aware about horrible documentary evidence of thier crimes.
If the country is United, and this is our common territory, then why would you shell entire infrastructure
of Donbass, ruin homes, bomb hospitals and schools? Comes out of suspicion that those residents
of Donbass who did not move out and underwent nazy-style filteration procedures are not going to
survive in the damned grinder. Instead they will be moved for reeducation in the loyal to junta
regions of the country where, after pacifing them again by fire and sword, the authorities will
sculpt of them the right Ukrainians. Well, you guys outdid the worst futuristic horror, the most
vigorous anti-utopia. Isn't that fascism? Yes, this is fascism.
And I especially like the project of creating fence on the border with Rissia with high voltage
over barbed wire. This is reall European style Democracy in actions. Congradulations folks.
This is probably a very intereting way to utilize metal that Russia now will not buy, so the
fence can of course, will be built at the expense of Patriotic oligarchs, with a preliminary tender
in which we know the winner beforhand. Eager for experiences former guests of the capital from Western
provinces, who now firmly occupied its sqares and buildings with the unconscious, but burning Messianic
dreams of "Great ukraine" are nor, when the possibility to throw stones in Bekut is gone, are frackly
bored. In this case, too, the professional entertainers form junta has something to offer them in
a form of adventures in South East.
The bad thing is that, well, Putin does not want to fight. New York times openly writes, obvious,
in General, and for reasons of old-fashioned political correctness hitherto not loadly proclaimed
things about great value of war for economic recovery of the USA, the idea that have long been discussed
by experts and analyst. And here we are, now with utter clarity they prononed thier verdict: without
abother world war economy might not come out of the recession. In short, get ready partiotic Ukrainans.
The USA usually love to fight using other people.
Well, it would bee a really stupid idea to fight the war on the territory of the USA - they are
used to save their Sergant Rayan at least several thousand miles from the statue of Liberty. Another
thing to to grow hatered on some remote territories and then with good luach to see how Slavs exterminate
each other.
And as the Russian army, the hypothetical participant of the war of aggression against Ukraine,
refuce to come to the battlefield volutaroty, it is high time to tickle the bear's nose with a stick.
For this purpose attack on the Embassy is very handy. Passionate verbal improvisations greatly
emboldened Arseniy Petrovych on this occuation were especially juicy. Especially if we judge then
against compains to Gasprom about "the right price of gas", refusal to pay old debts for gas to
Gaspom. All of this full-scale boorish performance you've probably already seen: the races of the
Bandar-l
The great perfomcanse of nationalist crown staged at the Embasse is avaible in mutile recording
on Yutube. We say standard articstin tricks of Maidan revolutionaries such burning tires, overturned
cars, wandalised building, the broken Windows. Putin was probably greatly scared. And to make performace
even more entertaining two high placed imbeciles from Foreign Offie were cursing Putin on camera.
That great perofrmce immeduatly raise traditinal suspcians about "Hand of Kremlin" in the events.
Most commetrators has no slightest dobt that Putin personally wrote the script. And everything that
was dame at the Embassy was done with the expesit goal to humiliate and discredit the great idea
of the Ukrainian EuroMaidan revolution. Revolation of Dignity. The great Patriotic postmodernism
is that disgusting in its vandalism and stupidity . And stupider it becaomes, the louder are cries
for about national dignity, that is, long suffocating in the brutal hands of the Kremlin.
There were three type od stars in this performce:
silly young men, who get information about the life from Facebook,
sexually unsatisfoied middle aged woman screaming dirty words what are unavalable to them
in real life,
cops, stupidly demonstrating their absolute neeutrality in the situation where they should
demostrate perofomance of thier duries
Once again pathetic Zaoandesi ( aka Rahuli) threw cobblestones at the Embassy, making sure that
the camera can record eerything for Russian public and making a few swing to make sure that got
on camera. But the climax, of course, was of couese Mr. Foregn Minister of Ukraine.
When Ministers representing the most oustanding patriots of the country accidentally fell face
in the dirt or extrements,we are no longer surprised one bit, because this is how it should be.
Show in Frankfurt by former minister Lutsenko is fondly remembered now by German police as one
of the brightest impressions of their pretty dull carrier. But our Foren Minister was even more
hardcore. Have you ever seen his now famous diplomatic solo. There no sense to provide additional
PR him here. Yes, he looked as idiot. But I dount that this bother much Ukraniian political establishemnt.
and our new hero U.S. Department of State Spokesperson Jen Psaki instantly announced
that he is, of course, a skillful diplomat, who managed to resolve the tense situation. Interesting,
of course, what would she say if it was about the attack on the U.S. Embassy and dirty songs about
the great Obama, but it is unlikely we will have an opportunity to learn. Why - read above.
The attack on the Embassy Russia condemned, but the relevant UN security Council resolution is
not adopted - well, really, what's the point of the attack on the Embassy, and what the security
threat? The puppets caved to the pressure of the king of the hill and that is what everyone expected.
However, we have a precedent, and would be fun to trace the future rhetoric in cases, if, contrary
to expectation, some lunatik want to defile the Embassy of one of "civilized" nations.
Meanwhile, the most brisk hired pen quickly exited thiemselves to the level of pure madness,
They already wrote multiple fiery articles explaining the behaviour of Ukrainian diplomats and shamed
those incosistent patriots who argued that the monkey jumps around the embassy is an overkill. Now
we all know why this is nice and and cool. One of those hired gund named Chervakova erupted treatise
in which explained why was not just right, but by all means great. And nervous witnesses and caustically
tnoted to doubterers among local intelligenta.
"Nagotiations with Russian are very simple. There be two : short and long. short way is to write
you thesis on the Embassy parking, and overturn cars for better readability"
And now that you have understood - before you receive the usual accusations of being pro-Russia
that appear all the time ewhnw installed by the USA chip in head of some nationalist send him/her
a sygnal. I'm ashamed of my country, which declares Revolution of Dignity, but gradually dropping
dignity below the level of the floor. I disgust from non-stop jungoistic cries. I fear for the state
of minds of my fellow citizens who uninate Internet forms with calls to kill their fellow citizens
because they wanted to protect their dignity, while being consistently humiliated by Western Ukraians
for long 23 years.
Translation of part of the Mark Franchetti appearance on a Kiev talk show
Franchetti was always anti-Russian. Which is probably why they brought him on the show and trusted
him to tell them what they want to hear and "know" to be true.
When he said something different,
it threw this pro-junta camarilla into a state of psychological disarray and cognitive dissonance.
kirill says:
About western Ukrainian victimhood. There was an exchange at militaryphotos in the Ukraine thread
about Holodomor. None of the "Russia str0nk" crew had a clue. They failed to even point out
that ALL of western Ukraine was under Polish rule during the 1920s and 30s (from 1920 to 1939).
This included regions like Rivne (Rovno) and not just Lviv. None of the Banderite vermin had
their families live through Holodomor. And they are the ones who yell the loudest about it and
spin it into a myth where Ukrainians were specifically targeted by evil Russians. This is total
revisionist, history denier fabrication. The forced collectivization famines of the 1930s occurred
in the Volga region and as far as Kazakhstan. In particular, EASTERN Ukraine suffered from Holodomor.
The very same part of Ukraine the Banderites are terrorizing today in the name of Holodomor
and their phony national chauvinist victimhood.
Azov battalion commanders.
The asshole on the left should be familiar – Ukrainians may recognise him as the porker whose
big mouth lost them the Crimea.
Poroshenko with his "junta in chocolate" government has few chances to solve the problem of Donetsk
and Lugansk. I don't see any easy solution so far. The Kiev government (former junta, now in chocolate)
refuses to recognize that the two provinces that are rebelling now, that there is a real reason for
this rebellion, that, you know, actors in these different provinces enjoy support of local population
and most social groups. So we're not even at the stage where the Kiev government is willing to recognize
a partner on the other side, but, rather, they're calling anyone who is participating in this armed
uprising, a terrorist. As well as anybody who think that Western provinces dominance in government is
counterproductive.
So it doesn't seem like there are any prospects for dialog. It seems that the next few days and
weeks we'll witness even more violence.
But definitely with growing number of killing of civilians and destruction of infrastructure is
a real chance of the split. When population do have legitimate grievances against the Kiev government
many people are ready to collaborate with armed groups to get rid of what they had seen as illegitimate
rulers or what they started to see as unbearable life under the central government's rule.
President Petro O. Poroshenko of Ukraine proposed on Wednesday a unilateral ceasefire by government
forces as part of a 14-point peace plan to end the separatist violence in the eastern part of the
country.
For more than two months, the Ukrainian military has been battling pro-Russian rebels in the
eastern regions of Donetsk and Luhansk, with hundreds of casualties and no sign that the conflict
will abate anytime soon.
Mr. Poroshenko's announcement of his cease-fire plan came in response to questions by reporters
in Kiev, the capital, and it followed a phone call late Tuesday with President Validmir V. Putin
of Russia, in which both sides said the cease-fire was a main topic.
Other elements of Mr. Poroshenko's plan include sealing the border with Russia and amending the
Ukrainian Constitution to allow for a "decentralization" plan that will give more authority to local
governments.
The initial step, however, would be a halt to the so-called antiterrorist operation in which
the Ukrainian military has sought to crack down on the pro-Russian militias, which include some
Russian citizens who crossed the border to join the fight. Senior Russian officials have long insisted
that any peace effort must begin with the Ukrainian government ending its use of force against the
separatists.
"The plan will begin with my order of a unilateral cease-fire," Mr. Poroshenko said on Wednesday.
Mr. Poroshenko said that he envisioned a temporary cease-fire, during which rebels would put
down their arms and Russian fighters would be allowed to return home.
The initial reaction from the separatists, however, indicated that they were not prepared
to accept the deal in its current form. Senior Russian officials have long insisted that they
do not control - or speak for - the rebels, and previous efforts by Russia and the West to negotiate
a peace settlement have failed.
Klavdia Kulbatskaya, a spokeswoman for the Donetsk People's Republic, the self-declared separatist
government, said the insurgent forces were dismissive of the proposal.
"He talks about a cease-fire every day," Ms. Kulbatskaya said by telephone. "And then the
next day they start bombing even more heavily."
Denis Pushilin, one of the leaders of the political wing of the Donetsk People's Republic, told
Rain TV in Moscow that he considered Mr. Poroshenko's proposal "meaningless."
"This is what happens: they cease fire, we disarm and they take us unarmed," Mr. Pushilin said.
The Russian foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, who has repeatedly called for the Ukrainian government
to halt its military operations against the separatists, said on Wednesday that Mr. Poroshenko's
plan might not be sufficient.
Speaking in Baku, Azerbaijan, where he was on an official visit, Mr. Lavrov said the Kremlin
expected a "comprehensive" cease-fire, not a temporary one.
"If this initiative aims at a comprehensive cease-fire, in which the opposition militia fighting
the authorities will be able to exhibit a good will and start negotiations, to which the authorities
will invite representatives of the southeast, then I think it could be the step promised by Ukrainian
president Petro Poroshenko and which is actually expected by all of us," Mr. Lavrov said, according
to the Interfax news service.
rexl
Poroshenko should kick all the CIA and FBI agents out of Ukraine. Then realize and acknowledge
he is next door to Russia and quit letting the USA neocons use his beach to kick sand in
Putin's face.
I cannot believe Poroshenko, is a billionaire from chocolate. Whatever.
We have lied to the Russians so often especially by placing ex-soviet nations in the NATO
alliance after old man Bush rightfully promised not to, thank you Clinton, that it is no
wonder they don't believe a thing we say. "Words are cheap, deeds are dear."
Permyakov P.A.
That was expectable. Being deadlocked on Ukraine Americans overslept new crisis in Iraq.
Looks like someone in White House finally woke up and understood that situation is already
bad enought without Russia playing a Real Spoiler. Thus this attempt to defuse tensions.
Good enought, may be we will not turn the Mother Earth into a belt of asteroids after all.
Al Neuman
Poroshenko continues to surround cities in Donetsk and Luhansk with soldiers, tanks,
and missiles. He has been on the CIA payroll since 2006. Yatsenyuk was hand picked by the
US State Department. Both are US puppets.
Ukraine is just part of the US undeclared War on Russia. The immediate objective, control
of Russian gas pipelines, has been achieved. Next on the agenda is: NATO troops on Ukraine
soil.
Bokarev Sergei, Saint-Petersburg
A new type of war? At a certain extend it can be called a new one. But it sounds a little
bit cynical to mention local people as a new part of the war, who actually die everyday.
But it is perfectly true, that the mass media from the both sides launched a great, unprecedented
brainwashing for millions of people. I have never got so much contradictory and false information
in my life!
Tom Brucia, Houston, Texas
What business is it of Russia what the Ukrainian military does inside its own borders? And
if the rebels in Eastern Ukraine love Russia so much, why don't they just move there?
Michael S. Oak Park, IL
Perhaps the anglo-Texans should move back north, also.
Dennis
Well, that's what people in Crimea did. They love Russia so much, they upped and went to
Russia, taking their land with them.
The people in other eastern Ukrainian cities are trying to do the same, but the crooks in
Kiev are shelling them and bombarding them from airplanes.
Vicko Gluncic, Chicago
The first step should be cease-fire.
The second step, should be to send current leaders of the Kiev Neo Nazi junta to Hague.
The third step should be dialog.
Michael S.
Oak Park, IL 15 minutes ago
Kiev did take the war to eastern Ukraine and it's clear crimes have been committed.
check out the head of the national guard:
Looks like "junta in chocolate" is losing hearts and minds in Eastern Ukraine with alarming speed.
Crimes against civilians is a perfect way to make insurrection permanent.
The news blackout on the shelling of eastern Ukrainian towns and villages lifts a little.
But the shelling and use of mortars against civilians at Slavyansk and other places can be
seen on Youtube, and Twitter. Civilians are getting killed, even if Yats thinks they are subhumans.
And, just today, as reported in the Kyiv Post, National Guards personnel will be rewarded with
land in the east as thanks for attacking the easterners. Sounds a bit like 1941 all over again?
There is a dissonance here. These things are happening, but they are not in our news.
VladimirM -> Jeremn, 17 June 2014 3:16pm
Here is what Rossiya24 reports about killed journalist. I'm not sure if you can speak Russian
or if it will be moderated, but anyway.
Here is a collection of photos of wrecked homes from Slavyansk. It is evident from these
images, and others, that the Ukrainian Army hasn't been targeting but merely shelling urban
areas. Using inaccurate weapons or firing off salvoes.
Pure murder. The rebels fire back, but they at least are only aiming at military positions.
And we should remember that Andrea Rocchelli and his Russian interpreter, Andrei Mironov,
were also killed by Ukrainian mortar rounds.
We are covering up for Ukrainian crimes. So more happen every day. Would that the EU spoke
out.
WallStreetAttorney, 17 June 2014 3:38pm
The crew were thought to have been filming Ukrainian refugees fleeing the area, which
has been overrun by pro-Russian insurgents.
You had to get in the card-carrying Langley propaganda.
No they were bravely reporting on how the US imposed junta's recently formed National Guard
has been massacring their own civilians - something that our own press seems happy to ignore.
Oskar Jaeger WallStreetAttorney, 17 June 2014 4:19pm
Are they "their own civilians" still or, having seceded from Ukraine, are they now enemy
civilians?
It probably makes no difference though, for civilians are civilians and should not be deliberately
targeted.
WallStreetAttorney -> Oskar Jaeger, 17 June 2014 4:36pm
As a crime against humanity it makes no difference whose citizens Svoboda/National Guard
are murdering, however as to the hypocrisy and willful blindness of our politicians it makes
all the difference in the world.
Article 7 (1) (a) of the Rome Statute - Crime against humanity of murder
Elements
1. The perpetrator killed one or more persons.
2. The conduct was committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against a
civilian population.
3. The perpetrator knew that the conduct was part of or intended the conduct to be part of a
widespread or systematic attack against a civilian population.
johnym -> WallStreetAttorney, 17 June 2014 8:08pm
Systemic attack agaist civilian population? You mean bandits equipped by Putler with tanks,
anti aircraft missiles, armored cars are a civilian population?
Russian bandits spreading terror in 1/5 of another country and you would like Poroshenko
to do nothing to protect his own nation and country?
WallStreetAttorney -> johnym, 17 June 2014 8:22pm
Personally I would like Poroshenko to sit down and talk with the opposition, armed or
not. Even the Brits finally did it in Ireland.
Bombing a central square, shelling a maternity hospital now that is really spreading terror
on level that might even shame a member of the Black and Tans.
tiye60 -> WallStreetAttorney, 17 June 2014 9:15pm
I think they were at an insurgent road block, filming how the insurgents were helping civilians
leave the area, when the shelling hit them.
Heard this on RBK TV, from the third crew member, if I understood correctly, who survived.
vazelas99, 17 June 2014 3:40pm
Two russian TV journalists killed in Ukraine in a mortar attack, but by whom? Not clear from
this short piece above. Let's see what the Russian media report:
If they were indeed filming Ukrainian refugees fleeing the area, as you say, this means that
the Ukrainian army was shelling civilians fleeing a battlezone. But that's not a war crime,
right?
IrishAndy vazelas99, 17 June 2014 3:45pm
The crew's taxi driver told LifeNews the journalists took a direct hit. "Three journalists
and 10-15 militias came under fire. We were standing at a traffic-police post at the entrance
to Metallist. The journalists got out of the car to observe the fighting and capture the
images. Literally a minute later, several shells hit them where they were standing".
Standing beside terrorists when shelled. Too bad!!
LeDingue vazelas99, 17 June 2014 4:22pm
Shelling civilian areas without a clear military objective is in breach of the Geneva
convention.
It's not really a surprise, sadly, that the US backed Kiev regime is targeting journalists
inside or near the siege zones. Kill a few and deter others. They don't want either evidence
(of their ongoing war crimes) or reporting of the atrocities.
There is however abundant evidence already collected. I wonder what kind of back-room games
will be used to try and prevent ICC investigators compiling criminal cases against regime member....
It is to our media's shame that it takes journalist casualties for the siege and bombardment
to be reported at all...
nic nic, 17 June 2014 5:40pm
finally the guardian made a report about the death of Russian colleagues!!!
excellent article, what else to say..
journalists of Guardian do you have professional ethics, professional solidarity?
or you think the independence - is independence from the truth, morality, professionalism?
Hi american teletubbies. I see in comments "terrorists hide behind civilians" and similar.
Well, greetings from Kosovo, where that wasn't problem for you. Now even you will finally see
that everything you do to others may be be done to you.
It is very clear that Russia is using all american stupid arguments, since americans showed
the world how nothing has a meaning that it is, but rather that that suites american corporate
interests. So, insted of having whole free world on your side, free world does not have a side
to choose. Its horrible future against horrible future.
America betrayed ideas of freedom and democracy for a corporate anti-human interests and
will pay great price for that. And whole world with it.
vazelas99, 18 June 2014 9:39am
Tuesday, June 17
22:29 GMT:
The United Nations Security Council has adopted a statement condemning the killing of journalists
in Ukraine and has called for an investigation.
"The Security Council calls for a thorough investigation of all violent incidents, including
against journalists," Current chairman of UN Security Council, Vitaly Churkin said.
According to Churkin's statement, members of the Council voiced "concern" over numerous detentions
and attacks on the press in Ukraine, as well as issued condolences to victims of those who perished
covering the events in Ukraine, including an Italian photo journalist killed on May 25.
I wish we had a politician like Sahra Wagenknecht in her address to the German Bundestag.
Apart from Marie Le Pen, the first politician to mention Odessa.
'The United States have decided to target Vladimir Putin when he sought to take "Russia
off of the petro-dollar," maintains philosopher of science James Fetzer in an exclusive interview
with Radio VR.
It really seems like history is repeating itself. "It was when Saddam Hussein abandoned the
petro-dollar, that he became a target, when Muammar Gaddafi introduced the gold dinar, that
he became a target, when Iran went off the petro-dollar and opened an oil bourse trading in
many different currencies, that it became a target.
The primary reason for demonizing Vladimir Putin is his "actions that are undermining the
economic ambitions of the Western bankers." One of the major achievements in this respect is
the recently signed 30-year gas deal with China estimated to be worth over $400 billion.
Putin will be the target as long as he continues to pursue this policy, the expert predicts.
However, the Western countries are not unified in how they should respond. For instance, "the
Bilderbergers are divided, where the Europeans are favoring Russia and the Americans are favoring
the Western powers." Some seem to clearly understand that "it is not going to play out to the
benefit of the US; this is a lose\lose situation for the US and a win\win situation for Vladimir
Putin and Russia..."
Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com
Consequently, for example, a
recent CNN Poll has found that Americans' fear of Russia has soared within just the past two
years. Our news media present a type of news "reporting" that places Russia's leader, Vladimir Putin,
into a very bad light,
even when it's unjustified by the facts.
The situation now is thus rather similar t .
In 1917, after almost two years of heavy anti-German propaganda in the U.S. press that built
an overwhelming public support for our joining that war against Germany,
Congress found that, in March 1915,
"J.P.
Morgan interests had bought 25 of America's leading newspapers, and inserted their own editors,
in order to control the media" so that we'd join the war on England's side. Whereas back then,
it was Germany's leader who was being goaded into providing a pretext for us to declare war against
his country, this time it's Russia's leader (Putin) who is being demonized and goaded into providing
such a pretext, though Putin (unlike Germany's Kaiser) has thus far refrained from providing the
pretext that Obama constantly warns us that he will (a Russian invasion of Ukraine). Consequently,
Obama's people are
stepping up the pressure upon Putin by
bombing the areas of neighboring Ukraine
where Russian speakers live, who have family across the border inside Russia itself. Just a
few more weeks of this, and Putin's public support inside Russia could palpably erode if Putin simply
lets the slaughter proceed without his sending troops in to defend them and to fight back against
Kiev's (Washington's
->
surrogate's) bombing-campaign. This would provide the pretext that Obama has been warning about.
I also have reported on
"Why Ukraine's Civil War Is of Global Historical Importance." The article argued that "This
civil war is of massive historical importance, because it re-starts the global Cold War, this time
no longer under the fig-leaf rationalization of an ideological battle between 'capitalism' versus
'communism,' but instead more raw, as a struggle between, on the one hand, the U.S. and West European
aristocracies; and, on the other hand, the newly emerging aristocracies of Russia and of China."
The conflict's origin, as recounted there, was told in its highest detail in an
article
in the scholarly journal Diplomatic History, about how U.S. President George H.W. Bush in
1990 fooled the Soviet Union's leader Mikhail Gorbachev into Gorbachev's allowing the Cold War to
be ended without any assurance being given to the remaining rump country, his own Russia, that NATO
and its missiles and bombers won't expand right up to Russia's doorstep and surround Russia with
a first-strike ability to destroy Russia before Russia will even have a chance to get its own nuclear
weapons into the air in order to destroy the U.S. right back in retaliation.
On a question, whether he suspects Arsen Avakov, the former Governor of the Kharkiv region and
the present Minister of internal Affairs of Ukraine, Kharkiv mayor said, "I know this person well,
I am not saying anything, but also I do not deny my suspicions. The future will reveal who was behind
the attempt."
"The investigation is not over, and I think that it just never started" said Kernes, who believes
that the attempt on his life was based on the principle "no person - no problem".
On Monday Kernes returned to Kharkov from Israel, where he was receiving treatment. Attempt on
Kernes' life was committed on 28 April: he has got a gunshot wound in the back, the bullet pieced
a lung and the liver, it also damaged the spinal cord.
He was first operated in Kharkov hospital and then flown for treatment in Israel, where he was
brought into a drug-induced sleep state. In Israeli hospital he underwent hours of operation on
the spine.
On may 2 the state of the mayor of Kharkiv has stabilized, he began to breathe on his own. The
doctors said that the threat to his life was over.
Before the assassination attempt against Kernes, Ukranian law enforcement opened a case against
him, suspecting him in the threat of murder, torture and kidnapping.
On Tuesday Kernes said that the criminal case against him was falsified by acting Minister of
internal Affairs Arsen Avakov.
Fair go mate, But this lunacy has only gone on for about 70 years. It will be at least another
70 before they cop on, that the world now views the U.S. as the bully.
Expect Poroshenko will sell Ukrainian gas pipes to western energy companies. Possible buyers
mentioned are Shell, Exxon and Chevron.
After sale western energy companies will charge the
few billion euro gas transfer fee instead of Kiev government.
West would then have also assets to defend in Ukraine. A legitimate cause for military intervention?
South Stream pipeline would bypass Ukraine. EU is trying to stop its construction. South
Stream would compete with the future privatized Ukrainian pipelines.
The efforts of the EU - in particular the energy commissioner Günther Oettinger - to
prevent the construction of the South Stream are an outrageous assault on the energy
security and independence of Bulgaria, Serbia, Macedonia, Hungary, Croatia, Slovenia and Italy.
Once again an EU commissioner is prioritizing national interests (the desire of Germany to placate
the U.S.) to the detriment of the vital interests of other EU member states.
When next winter comes, and Southeast Europe is left without natural gas (leading to a humanitarian
crisis), it will be interesting to see how Herr Günther Oettinger justifies his hypocritical
and undemocratic opposition to South Stream.
If the Energy Commissioner wants to prevent Russia from supplying gas to Europe, then why
doesn't he close down the North Stream? (Oh, but that would affect his own beloved Germany,
wouldn't it?) Heuchler!
davidpear PekkaRoivanen, 17 June 2014 2:29pm
Poroshenko will sell Ukrainian gas pipes
Thanks for the details.
Anybody who understands a little about US foreign policy knows that the US has wanted to
loot Ukraine all along.
It is the reason the US spent so much effort and money destabilizing Ukraine. It is no different
than US policy in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Sub-Saharan Africa etc. It is the neoliberal gang of corporations
that have been driving this.
The US caters to the wishes of the corporations.
Donald Inks PekkaRoivanen, 17 June 2014 2:55pm
This is what the U.S. and the rest of the Western NATO Nations "spent" (gambled and invested)
in: energy contracts
(so far...):
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Chevron-has-no-plans-to-end-fracking-agreement-5379794.php
...AND, these Western Corporate chemical, oil and gas interests wanted to exploit the Ukraine's
untapped offshore natural gas reserves:
http://monitorglobaloutlook.com/news-story/crimea-a-blow-to-ukraine-energy-security-and-investors/
The West (including Europe) is now attempting to compete with Russia's massive dominance in
that region of their monopoly of the production and exportation of natural gas.
http://www.technologyreview.com/news/525601/the-us-cant-really-undermine-russia-by-exporting-gas/
To summarize : "who" truly instigated this mess?
A Western Nation coalition of Geo-Political-Corporate intrusion into an area,
of which they have LONG salivated over gaining a firm POLITICAL, CORPORATE AND MILITARY foothold
upon.
It backfired...and, (as usual) many innocent people have suffered and died.
Aleksandr Romanovich Podgaets -> Donald Inks,17 June 2014 5:05pm
Such accusations are entirely the manifestation of the information war. Compare the events
in Ukraine and Syria. In Syria, rebels supported from outside are "good", while the president
is "bad". in Ukraine, rebels supported from outside are "awful terrorists", while the president
ordering firing the cities is represented as an angel. Double standards.
cu, ny
just fyi, a Russian Facebook friend from over twenty years ago is posting well-made propaganda
stating such things as: If Russia attacked Ukraine, then why aren't the refugees running towards
dear Kiev instead of the attacker Russia?
Well-educated, well-traveled, and 100% sure that refugees are willingly streaming into Russia
from Ukraine.
In order for her to buy this, I'm wondering if there are some flaws or missing elements in
our story that make her alternative plausible.
Our news media should provide in-depth articles on on-going US involvement in Kiev to acknowledge
how the Russians could be so manipulated. Have I missed them? How about details about the Russian
hijacking of the orphan bus in order to refute the idea that they went willingly. I need to
hear what Russians are hearing, and the American rebuttal to that, in order to understand the
gulf that has opened up between us. We can't begin to close it until we understand it.
Onno Frowein, Noordwijk, The Netherlands
The failure of US foreign policies is apparent in Ukraine similar to Iraq and many other
invasions and interferences into domestic policies. It shows the naivety of Americans that they
can bring democracy in ANY part of the world to impose US geopolitical interests. This policy
has worldwide averse effect as we see in Asia, Vietnam, Japan, Libya, and now the cruelties
in Iraq.
US foreign policy is one of 'HIT and RUN' divide a nation, bring in a US friendly government
and hopefully a president who speaks English (Karzai in Afghanistan) and now Poroshenko/Yatsenuk
in UA. History is for the dogs!
Ukrainian Air Force have been dropping CLUSTER bombs on civilian targets like apartment buildings
killing women and children in Lugansk, Mariupol, Slavyansk. Kiev government denies this, of
course it would be difficult to accuse Russian planes penetrated UA air space.
Or let's look at ambulances being shot at by Ukrainian snipers and killing their drivers
or the bombing of a hospital. And so we see thousands of evidence of daily cruelties to civilians
in the Eastern Ukraine. And the Western media wants to make us believe that this is done by
pro-Russian separatists who are killing their OWN people
In Kiev we find a revival of Neo-Nazism such as we have seen during WW II under pro-Nazi
Bandera who murdered 500.000 Ukrainians and 34.000 Jews in Babi Yar in 1942. Now they are called
the Right Sector under Dmytro Yarosh who murder children and women
Please read FACTS, not propaganda
Leon C, New York
The lack of professionalism by the Ukrainian military is not doing Kiev's side any good.
Most people in eastern Ukraine do not want to join Russia. Blockades, sieges and artillery
strikes will only disenfranchise the average person. When it is necessary, strike hard
and fast but avoid endangering bystanders.
Someone in Russia should point out prolonging the conflicts by letting volunteer fighters,
weapons and heavy military equipment into Ukraine is only prolonging the conflict and create
unnecessary suffering to the Russian speaking people that they claim having a duty to protect.
Putin wouldn't care about people's suffering as it's more important to keep Ukraine destabilized
and lives are cheap. It is still important to point it out so that the Russians understand the
price for imperialism.
Judyw, cumberland, MD
The fighting in E. Ukraine will continue as long as the EU and US continue to support military
operations by Poroshenko.
It should be obvious now that the people in these 2 oblasts do not want to be part of a Ukraine
govererned by Kiev. That being the case the international community has an obligation to insist
on negotiations. Ukraine is now broken because of the EU and US.
It is sad to think of children being evacuated - it is reminiscent of WWII. And this is now
a full blown war. As long as Poroshenko calls it an anti-terrorist action there will be no peace.
You cannot label part of your citizenry terrorist and expect to keep the country united.
The Ukraininan army is now using phosphorous bombs and grad rockets which are killing and
injuring civilians. Poroshenko must accept the fact that not everyone want to be evacuated to
another city in Ukraine, they prefer to go to Russia, but he doesn't want that. Thus we have
no humanitarian corridor because of his stubborness. Russia must play a role in this humanitarian
corridor and the Kiev's government refusal, is hurting civilians. But Kiev seems not to care.
If he truly cared about the people, he would allow Russia to play a humanitarian role.
There is distrust on both sides, which cannot be overcome until the conflct ends. As long
as Poroshenko believes he can unite the country and get Crimea back, no end is in sight. He
needs to be more realistic about events on the ground. The US and EU must stay out of this.
RFrancis, Kansas City
Aslan, you forget who fomented the coup in Ukraine, a sovereign country.. May I remind you
that it was the US?
Now, starting from that factual point, go back and try to reconstruct your argument.
WIMR, Voorhout, Netherlands
Please check what happened to the communist party or to the left wing movement Borotba after
the Maidan revolution. You will find similar stories of hoodlums beating people up and driving
them from their offices. And do you remember the pro-Maidan mobs in Odessa: singing while they
butchered people who wanted to escape from the burning building?
Unlike you I don't see anything resembling "reform and the rule of law" arising from Kiev.
They have introduced some laws that the EU ordered them to implement but until now the effect
on corruption is zero.
I don't expect that to change. The Maidan was just a different faction of oligarchs grabbing
power. Their slogans against corruption were just pr, not something to be taken seriously.
bergamo, italy
but read the news. It was the West that toppled Yanukhovich. Brennan visited Kiev immediately
afterwards. Weapons have been supplied, and no pressure exercised on Ukrainian's illegal government
to resolve this conflict peacefully, that is, doing what Russia has suggested all along, federalism
and neutrality. There is not one single proof that Russia has sent special forces in Ukraine.
The infamous photos... etc... no point saying the same things all over.
WIMR, Voorhout, Netherlands
Putin did not initiate the fighting. That started when Kiev sent first the police and then Right
Sektor thugs to replace local governments with people that obeyed the Maidan.
Remember that a majority in the East and South of Ukraine considers the government in Kiev
illegal. Remember that the presidential elections were not honest as many potential candidates
had been arrested or were wanted for arrest by the new government.
First, I have to explain the title: "A scorecard for US war on Russia": what we are witnessing today
is beyond any doubt a US war on Russia, except that it that is is neither quite "cold" nor "hot":
it's tepid, lukewarm. Not for the people dying of course, but by it's choice of methods.
It is not a Cold War because people are dying, because tanks, artillery and airpower is being used
on a daily basis now, but it is not a Hot War either, because while people in the Ukraine are being
killed, the real target of this war is, of course, Russia. In other words, this is not a Russian-Ukrainian
war, nor is it a US-Ukrainian war, it is a US-Russian war, fought in the Ukraine with "Hot War"
methods, but whose real target are not the murdered people in the Ukraine but Russia as a country
and a civilizational project. I think that it is crucial to state that to make a correct analysis
of what is going on.
STRATEGIC LEVEL ANALYSIS
The USA has no special interests in the Ukraine at all. The only reason why Uncle Sam got
so heavily involved is the (totally mistaken) belief - expressed by Zbigniew Brzezinski and Hillary
Clinton - that "without the Ukraine Russia cannot be a superpower" and that "Putin is trying to
recreate the Soviet Union". Since a reborn USSR would be the single major threat to the US
domination of the planet, the US shall spare no effort into making sure that the Ukraine not only
breaks away from Russia, but turns into a US colonial protectorate like Poland or Lithuania: rabidly
anti-Russian, administered by the EU and controlled by NATO. Of course, the "prize of prizes"
would have been Crimea with Sevastopol as a base for the USN and a fantastic "unsinkable carrier"
to project US subversive efforts throughout southern Russia, the Caucasus and even the Middle- East.
Alas, Putin's lightening fast action in Crimea completely foiled this part of the plan: instead
of getting the entire Ukraine including its crown jewel, Crimea, the AngloZionists were left in
full control of West-Central Ukraine (aka "Banderastan") and an uprising in East-Central Ukraine
(aka "Novorossia). However, Uncle Sam also walked away with some real successes: not only
was the democratically elected President Yanukovich "regime-changed", the secession of Crimea
and the uprising in the Donbass made the "more or less election" of a pro-US puppet like Poroshenko
finally possible. So far so good, but remember, this is not about the Ukraine
at all, this is about Russia and only Russia. So the relevant question is not whether
the US succeeded in putting a puppet regime in power, but what good it does to the AngloZionist
Empire to have Poroshenko in power in Kiev. The answer to that is, of course, very little,
if any.
Again, to understand the US position you have to stop thinking like a rational and mentally
sane person, and try to think like an imperialistic maniac hell-bent on world domination who
sincerely sees Russia at the #1 obstacle to the realization of this goal. Such a maniac will
ask himself a basic question: how much, if at all, is Russia weakened by the current situation in
the Ukraine? And, again, the obvious answer is only marginally. Here is how a hypothetical
US "1% deep-stater" will think about Russia's current position:
They got Crimea, so all our hopes about the Black Sea region, the Caucasus and the Middle-East
are gone. In fact, now that Crimea is fully Russia, it is the Russian position in the Black
Sea region, the Caucasus and even the Middle-East which has become stronger, much stronger in fact.
Worse, by chopping off the Crimea from the rest of the Ukraine, the Russikies have not only created
a very dangerous precedent, they have deeply destabilized the richest and best educated part
of the Ukraine - the Donbass - leaving us with the a poor, phenomenally corrupt basically broke
"Banderastan" to run. Worse, if we did not have our various CIA run death-squads ("Maindanites",
"Right Sector", "National Guard", "soccer hooligans", etc.) then Poroshenko would probably last
less than 1 month in power anyway, especially with the accursed Russikes about to turn off the gas
spigot if the Ukies don't come up with a payment plan they cannot afford anyway. The only
thing our symbolic pseudo-sanctions against Russia have achieved so far was to push the Russkies
to do what they should have done a decade ago: to lower their dependence on the US-controlled banking
system, to sever their ties with the Ukie military-industrial complex and to push the Russian business
community towards seeking stronger ties with Asia.
The bottom line is that at least so far the AngloZionist Empire has failed to secure any strategic
objective. Russia is as powerful as ever, arguably even more powerful than before the
crisis began.
What about the association agreement with the EU then? It means nothing to the Americans.
All that agreement would really achieve would be to further impoverish the rump-Ukraine and create
a bloody mess for the EU. Yes, for Russia this would mean maybe two to three years of minor
headaches (dealing with illegal immigrants, finding new suppliers, etc.) but nothing truly meaningful.
And since it was the EU the broke the Ukraine, they now own it, but then since it is the US which
own the EU to begin with, you might as well say that the US now owns what is left of the Ukraine.
Hardly a coveted prize...
There is only one way for the AngloZionists to turn defeat into victory and that way is most
obviously to pull Russia into an overt military intervention in the Donbass. An overt
Russian military intervention in the Donbass would achieve all the following goals:
Create a fantastic justification for the continued existence of NATO.
Create a fantastic justification for a new Cold War in Europe which would strengthen the
US grip on the Old Continent.
Create a fantastic justification for an increase in military spending for all NATO states.
Create a fantastic scapegoat upon which to blame upcoming economic collapse of Banderastan.
Create a fantastic opportunity to demonize Russia and Putin personally.
Create a perfect justification for the CIA to initiate another
Operation Cyclone, this time in Novorossia.
Create a great way to show the US public opinion that Obama is a tough, "war President",
with "hair on his chest" and who can show the Russkies who is boss thereby overturning the image
of a flaccid and incompetent loser which Obama presently "enjoys".
Make the Russians pay for the failed war in Syria.
Show all the BRICS countries that nobody can defy Uncle Sam
Re-vitalize the currently comatose and desperate (CIA-controlled) "liberal" opposition in
Russia.
Needless to say, seen this time from the point of view of Russia, all of the above are crucial reasons
to avoid being sucked into an overt military intervention in the Ukraine. However,
non-intervention by itself is hardly a "policy" and it cannot constitute a strategic goal.
So let us now look at the strategic goals of Russia.
Initially, Russia wanted something rather
basic: an independent, more or less neutral, but prosperous Ukraine. Not because Russians
are inherently just so nice and compassionate, but because the best thing for Russia is to have
a prosperous neighbor for which she hold no responsibility but with which she can built mutually
beneficial economic ties. Yes, sure, Kiev is the mother of all Russian cities, and the so-called
Ukraine is an invention - no such state of nation ever existed before - and it is true that the
"Small Russia" (in the meaning of "Core" or "Central" Russia) is the cradle of the Russian civilization,
but these are all things of the past. Nowadays, if the Ukies want to call themselves something
other than "Russians", and if they want to try to re-invent themselves a culture ex nihilo
- let them. Who cares really? It's their loss: instead being a part of one of the (relatively)
ancient nations and cultures in history they chose to become, well, who knows what? But who
cares, it's their right after all. Their "arguments" might not get much traction with most
Russians, especially the educated ones, but this is hardly a reason for conflict. Over the
past two decades there never has been a movement of any relevance in Russia to oppose the Ukrainian
independence. Basically, most Russians did not give a damn and, frankly, they were right.
But, again, we need to remember that this is not a Russian-Ukrainian problem. It
is a US-Russian problem. And for the USA, the kind of independent and more or less prosperous
Ukraine which Russia would have been happy to have as a neighbor was absolutely unacceptable.
If Russia wanted a "Ukrainian Finland", the USA wanted a "Ukrainian Poland". That is something
which Russia cannot allow to happen. So, in strategic terms, the three key strategic goals
for Russia are, by order of importance:
To prevent the creation of a "Banderastan" on Russia's borders
To avoid being sucked into an overt military intervention
To protect the people of Novorossia
Two comments about these goals:
First, you will notice that if the choice comes down to an
overt military intervention and the creation of a Banderastan on the western border of Russia a
military intervention is preferable, at least in my opinion. I have no way of knowing
whether the folks in the Kremlin would agree with me or not, but my sense is that that would if
only because of the long-term consequences of having a Banderastsan along over 2'000km of its western
border and less than 500km from downtown Moscow. So make no mistake - Russia will intervene
militarily in Novorossia if there is absolutely no other choice. Even if that means a risk
of war with NATO. Even if that means a war with NATO. For Russia, this is not an elective
conflict, but an existential threat and there is a national consensus on that.
Second, there is the issue of human rights and the plight of the people of Novorossia.
Considering how many of us have become disillusioned with our fellow human being and cynics about
any and all politicians, I won't even go into the "brother nations" argument, nor will I claim that
Putin, Lavrov or anybody else in the Kremlin sincerely cares about the atrocities committed against
what are, of course, really fellow Russians who happened to live in what is called "the Ukraine"
because of Soviet internal administrative borders. I personally am convinced that Putin and
Lavrov really do care - but I will not use that personal belief of mine as an argument.
I will use only a fully pragmatic argument which is fully compatible with the hypothesis that the
folks in the Kremlin care only about their own narrow self-interest. And the argument is this:
There is a lot of pent-up rage and outrage in Russia. Unlike the western
MSM, the Russian media is full of daily reports about the atrocities committed by the Ukie
death squads. Day after day after day the Russians see neo-Nazi thugs marching around Kiev,
Odessa and other cities with neo-Nazi symbols, they see the bombed out houses of Slaviansk and Kramatorsk,
they see the endless interviews with maimed civilians and terrified refugees.
... ... ...
At this point the Russian policy becomes, I think, clear: to covertly support the resistance
movement of Novorossia without yielding any proof of intervention which could be used by the AngloZionists
to demonize Russia (they already do that, but with very little credibility in the public opinion).
Now that we have identified the strategic goals of both sides, we can look at the methods (tactics)
they are using to achieve them.
TACTICAL LEVEL ANALYSIS
On the US side the plan is simple: to provoke Russia in every possible way. So far these
have include (in no special order):
Recognition of an illegal regime which came to power with violence.
Support for a neo-Nazi regime.
Massive anti-Russian propaganda.
Limitless amount of double-standards.
Repeated kidnapping of fully accredited journalists.
Whitewashing of massacres (Odessa, Mariupol).
Support for armed assaults on opposition politicians (Tsarev).
Murder of political opponents (murdered Communists Party members).
Attacks on political parties (torched Communist Party offices).
Illegal use of cluster bombs on civilians.
Illegal use of White Phosphorus on civilians.
Use of heavy weapons against entire towns.
Assault and murder of opposition journalists
Attacks on the Russian Embassy in Kiev
Overt glorification of Stepan Bandera by Ukie officials
Blocking by the AngloZionists of Russian UNSC Resolution condemning the attack on its embassy
Denial of anti-Jewish hatred amongst the Ukie nationalists
Invention of anti-Jewish feelings in Novorossia
Car-bombing of Novorossian officials
Probable use of gas in the Odessa massacre
Creation of a hysterically russophobic campaign in the MSM
Attempts at imposing sanctions on Russia
Covert sending by NATO countries of fixed and rotary wing aircraft
Covert use of several hundred western mercenaries (Academi)
Massacres of wounded soldiers in a hospital
Sniper killing of random civilians
Systematic rejection of any negotiations with the people of Novorossia
Almost systematic rejection of any negotiation with Russia
Systematic violation of any agreement reached with Russia
Bombing of churches and hospitals (just happened in the last 24 hours)
Refusal to provide real escape corridors for trapped civilians
Illegal cutting-off of water supplies to Crimea (now provided from Russia courtesy of the
corps of Russian military engineers)
This is not a full list, of course, just those events which first came to my mind. Connecting
the dots here is easy: to provoke Russia at all costs. Well, provoke it does. Does that
achieve anything else? Specifically, if we take a more "macro" point of view and ask ourselves
this: if we accept that the Ukie goal of war in Novorossia is to get the Russians to intervene
and if we accept that the Russian goal is to stay out, and if we finally accept that
the crucial factor which will eventually decide of the outcome is the ability of the Novorossians
to defend themselves without overt Russian intervention - then who does the tactical scorecard
look?
From my point of view - one of an ex-military analyst - I would say that I am extremely
unimpressed by the junta's performance so far.
The junta's death squads have used all the means at their disposal to try to terrorize the people
of Novorossia: they began with baseball bats, then knives, then guns, they assault-rifles, then
machine guns, then heavy machine guns, then mortars, then heavy mortars, then regular artillery,
then multiple rocket launchers, then attack helicopters, then attack aircraft, then cluster munitions,
now even white phosphorus. And what did they achieve in military terms:
1) they are more or less holding an airport and one hill near Slaviansk/Kramatorsk
2) they have taken Krasnyi Liman (and committed a massacre in its hospital)
3) they apparently have 1000 or so men surrounded in the Lugansk airport
That's it. They could not even take Slaviansk! This is with force ratios anywhere
between 5:1 to 100:1, with heavy firepower, armor and total air supremacy. Sub-pathetic, really...
And, in the process, they have lost hundreds of soldiers who defected to the other side - often
with weapons - they have gotten a huge number of their own conscripts killed, one group of senior
"Alpha" officers was caught and several paratrooper recon units were made prisoner (the latest one
yesterday). In Lugansk Ukie forces appear surrounded and the latest shooting down of an Il-76
by the NDF air defense forces was part of a desperate attempt of the junta to free these forces
or, at least, to resupply them. In fact, there are all the signs of a desperate movement by
land of Ukrainian armor and infantry to break through these units some of which, according to unconfirmed
reports, have already switched sides.
As for the Novorossian Defense Forces (NDF), they now clearly have a solid air-defense network
up and running, they seem to have plenty of weapons (even though they still lack some specific types)
and most, but not all, of these weapons are truly trophy weapons taken from the Ukies (such as the
3 T-64 tanks recently shown in the news). The initial trickle of volunteers has slowly but
steadily become larger (including volunteers from Russia proper) and the NDF is now clearly enjoying
some fancy systems which could have only have been provided by Russia (electronic warfare, advanced
anti-air systems, etc.). Yes, there are lots of Ukie tanks around Luganks, but as late as
this morning a senior NDF officer in the area has said that "we can hold them for at least several
months". Finally, and for the very first time, there are signs that the NDF are mounting
offensive operations.
I am basing all of the above on admittedly partial information, but to me all the signs are clear
and point to one and only one reality: the Ukie offensive is going absolutely nowhere and unless
Uncle Sam comes up with a dramatic way of changing the face of the battle, Novorossia will probably
withstand the Ukie assault without over Russian intervention.
(TEMPORARY) CONCLUSION:
So far, I see the strategic-level scorecard for the AnlgoZionist as a complete failure.
As for the tactical-level scorecard, it is probably too early to call, but I would say that it looks
like the Empire is headed for a complete defeat. Of course, these are temporary conclusions
and I don't want to sound like Dubya with his notorious "Mission accomplished". But I think
that for all of us who get sick in their stomachs each time we hear of the latest Ukie atrocity
it is important to keep in mind that so far the neo-Nazis and their AngloZionist masters are losing
and that there is no reason to suspect that this trend will somehow reverse itself in the foreseeable
future.
We have to also always keep in mind that "lukewarm" as it may be, this is a major war of planetary
importance because as Dugin correctly points it is the future of Russia, and therefore of all of
Eurasia, which is being decided. Russian parity (I would even argue superiority) in
strategic nuclear weapons have made a hot war impossible (at least for a rational actor), but that
does not mean that both sides are not engaged in this apparently "lukewarm" war with every bit of
energy and power they got! What we are witnessing today is nothing short of a major struggle for
survival between the AngloZionist Empire and the "Eurasian project" (for lack of a better word)
centered around Russia and China and their attempt to replace the old order by new, multi-polar,
dollar-independent, militarily balanced one. Hegemony vs collective security for the entire
planet is what is at stake. This is why every time we listen to the latest reports out
of Novorossia we have to constantly keep in mind that in reality this is a US-Russian war over the
future international order of the planet and not an "ethnic civil war".
As you know, I have been living with a knot in my stomach for weeks now, and with each additional
report about the neo-Nazi atrocities committed against the people of Novorossia I get more desperate,
more angry and more frustrated. And I have to admit that if the Russians finally openly intervene
and beat the crap out of the Ukie death squads (which won't last 24 hours against a real military
force) I won't be able to contain myself - I will open a bottle of champagne and dance with my wife
across the house. But I also know that the right thing to do is keep our "eyes on the prize"
and let this abomination I called "Banderstan" self-destruct without any over Russian help.
The latest attack on the Russian embassy in Kiev is not only an outrageous violation of the Vienna
Convention, it is also a fantastic admission of impotence, of powerlessness, of irrelevance really.
Think of it, a crowd of neo-Nazi thugs overturns a few cars and tosses eggs and stones at an embassy
building in downtown Kiev and all the Ukie authorities can do is to order the cops to move out of
the way and to send the deputy Foreign Minister to express his support for the crowd. "Слава
Україні - Героям Слава" (glory to the Ukraine - to the Heroes Glory!) indeed - some heroic Ukie
nationalism at work, there is an "operation" the Ukies can be proud of, something to add to the
pantheon of Ukrainian national pride.
[They are as pathetic as they are disgusting, of course. I really wonder how any putative
"sane Ukrainian" can live without dying of a combination of shame and self-disgust. But then,
that ain't my problem, thank God.]
There is probably more of that sickening Ukie mix of atrocities and buffoonery on the way.
Normal civilized people cannot imagine the kind of stuff that these hate-filled psychopaths can
come up with. Frankly, I would not put it past them to try an air or missile strike on, say,
a kindergarten in Crimea or even in Belgorod. They could also kidnap a delivery man for a
Russian company still operating in Kiev or heroically massacre of minibus with an Aeroflot crew
on the way to the airport. Whatever! We have to accept the inevitability of such actions
because this is all this junta can do - they simply have no civilized diplomatic, commercial, military
or other means to prevail against Russia and their own people. But always always keep this
in mind: with each such action the Ukies are confessing to their own impotence while digging their
own grave.
So even if "ще не вмерла україна" ("the
Ukraine is not dead yet" - from the Ukie "national anthem" with words copied from the Polish
one and a melody composed by [what else?] a Uniat priest), it's days are counted and, as doctors
like to say, the prognosis is poor.
Why is there a need for a flow of arms from Russia to the separatists in Ukraine. They have
been raiding arsenals for weeks now. Kerry´s approach is very poor. No one has provided proof
of this help from Russia.
As for a fair deal on the gas, what is unfair about charging the same as Europe? They are
after all signing up with the EU if they can.
Beckow -> madeiranlotuseater, 14 June 2014 8:45pm
I think, Russia and Russians in different forms are definitely helping the Russians in eastern
Ukraine. It would be impossible not to. They are - most of them - not "separatists", most
are simply anti-Kiev government. Russians are a large minority that is looking into being
suppressed: from their language, to their economy, ties to Russia, history. Kiev government
- with total Western support - calls them "terrorists" and at this point indiscriminately bombs
them.
So of course, the Russians support them. Any nation, any country would, from Irish solidarity
in Ulster, to UK in Falklands, Jews supporting Israel, to Americans invading a number of countries
in Latin America to protect any Americans there.
Gas is an interesting issue: Ukraine is broke, so any payment for gas to Russia is in effect
coming directly from the IMF and EU promised money. That is a very hard thing to accept, not
just for the Kiev government, but also for their friends in the West. So they will go to the
wall trying to avoid doing it. This is not as much about the price that can be negotiated, it
is about Ukraine simply wanting to hold on to any cash they have left or is loaned to them.
I can see their point, but then one has to calculate these things when switching alliances,
when having "revolutions". Business is business and there is simply no viable alternative for
energy in Ukraine. They would like for Russia to provide it for free, almost free, or on credit.
I don't think Russia will and time is on Russia's side. This will get ugly this winter.
pagon007 -> madeiranlotuseater, 14 June 2014 8:51pm
Frankly, there is an organization in Russia (I support the organization created an opposition
newspaper). We collect the money they are spending on medicines, on the radio, on the binoculars,
bronezhelet and more, it is sometimes possible to obtain a small number of weapons. While I
know that there are three such organizations, one of them is gathering volunteers from Russia
and sometimes from other CIS (Now they try to find doctors).
Robert Sandlin -> pagon007, 14 June 2014 9:15pm
Thank god,I'm happy to hear that.Keep up the good work and God Bless the Hero's that fight
for their people.
MatoMatic -> madeiranlotuseater, 14 June 2014 10:10pm
Actually EU countries like Germany are much bigger customers then Ukraine, and they pay on
time.So even same price is great deal for Ukraine, maybe too good.
Manolo Torres -> Beckow, 14 June 2014 11:23pm
Americans invading a number of countries in Latin America to protect any Americans there.
i wonder where did you get that from?!?! Nowadays you can even watch interviews from former
Ex-CIA officers saying that they did went there to kill the opposition and that they did it
because they wanted to and they don´t regret it.
There is no way to compare it with Russians supporting thir family across the border. Do
yourself (and the millions of latin american deaths) and take a look at history.
Beckow -> Beckow, 15 June 2014 12:04am
I am reposting what was removed without mentioning media, I guess that's why it was removed:
When Ukraine government bombs its own citizens in eastern Ukraine, US is silent.
When Ukrainian nationalists burned to death Russian demonstrators in Odessa, US was silent.
When Ukrainian "revolutionary" post-coup Parliament outlawed Russian language as an official
language, US was silent. The list goes on and on. So when today John Kerry protests (again)
and threatens (again), one has to take it as what it is: hypocrisy and weakness.
Ukraine is divided, and probably always will be. There are many countries like that,
from Iraq to Syria, from Canada to Belgium, from Spain to Ireland, there are states that
have multiple languages, religions, cultures, and sympathies. When US comes in and aggressively
supports one side and aggressively lies....it not only doesn't work, it backfires.
It leads to broken societies, bloodshed and tragedy. So why is US doing this? What is
the gain? Or is it just a game with other people's lives at this point? Because they can?
One has to assume that chaos is what US seeks. That they see chaos and broken countries
as an opportunity, as a place to get something economically, geo-politically, or just as
a playground for their under-employed security people. That is not just stupidity, it is
really a definition of modern evil. To stir up chaos among others, to meddle and then lie
about it, to play with others' lives, that is what evil people have always done.
Beckow -> Manolo Torres, 15 June 2014 12:11am
I was being generous. I should have said "claiming that they were invading to protect Americans".
I agree with you that it was a self-serving lie.
We can see how deep we have fallen since the dominant narrative that is allowed is so skewed
that even criticism has to play by those rules.
Nikolla, 14 June 2014 8:46pm
What is so wrong with the US? Will they ever become a normal country and stop terrorizing
the world?
TatiAm -> Nikolla, 14 June 2014 8:49pm
I hope this time will come soon.
vivaItaly -> Nikolla, 14 June 2014 9:03pm
Never(((
Beckow -> Nikolla, 14 June 2014 10:32pm
US is an "indispensable" nation according to US government. They are special. But what does
that by definition make everybody less? Dispensable?
There have been a number of self-appointed "special" countries in human history. All of them
stopped being special eventually, but it wasn't voluntary, it was because they were defeated
or collapsed. Nothing teaches manners like experience....
Mk8adelic -> Nikolla, 15 June 2014 1:35am
with their obsession with arms at home and unwillingness to address the issue no matter how
many innocent school children are slaughtered, drones etc etc I really doubt it
AnonForNowThanks -> Nikolla, 15 June 2014 4:51am
The typical style of life in the US among the top two quintiles cannot be sustained without
military threats, and the rest of the US population no longer matters.
Dimo B, 14 June 2014 8:52pm
Why not give the pro-Russian separatists in the East what they want - autonomy!? There is
a talk elsewhere in the media regarding division of Iraq according to ethnicity - Shia, Sunni
and Kurds - in order to save people fighting among culturally different groups... why not the
same in Ukraine? it is obvious that Russian Ukrainians and West Ukrainians are two very different
groups of people...
Federalisation should have been agreed much earlier on in the Ukrainian conflict - this would
have most likely ensured the East of Ukraine stay part of Ukraine, but with more autonomy. Now
I am not sure it is possible...
I haven't seen much dialogue happening between the two sides.
Kiev government has been sending troops to the East to fight the rebels for the past few
months - were they expecting rebels just to sit back and do nothing when a military plane was
approaching Luhansk airport through the back door in darkness?
I can imagine rebels would want to destroy any military vehicle/plane etc following the assault
Kiev government unleashed on the separatists - be it in Odessa, Donetsk, Luhansk, Mariupol,
Slavjansk etc - the trust between the two sides is totally broken now.
Unless we see dialogue (that would involve 'eating' own pride), the fight and death toll
will continue to rise... And I can't imagine Russia standing by doing nothing...
Zoltán Koskovics -> Dimo B, 14 June 2014 9:28pm
In the end it will be federalization. How many will die before that? Nobody knows.
Skywithclouds -> Dimo B, 14 June 2014 9:45pm
Kiev and ChocoPetro mimicing US actions and speeches, they won't talk.
Beckow -> Dimo B, 14 June 2014 10:36pm
Because autonomy or federation, or even assured minority and language rights in the east,
would devalue Ukraine for the West. They already lost Crimea. Russian east is where the industry
is. Kiev and US will fight to get it.
Without the east, Ukraine would be even poorer, even more bankrupt.
Mk8adelic -> Dimo B, 15 June 2014 1:43am
Because the us wants to frack it
94region -> Beckow, 15 June 2014 9:12am
I think there is only one reason - in the case of federalisation dues will stay in a region
and will not flow to Kiev. And Kiev authorities can only to steal.
Crewsayders, 14 June 2014 9:02pm
I am sure the Russians are scared.....hell, they are so worried that the US may end up training
the Ukrainian troops to fight....given the great success we have had training the South Vietnamese
and Iraqis.....
Tell Kerry to go back to being Israel's lap dog!
Skywithclouds -> Crewsayders, 14 June 2014 9:47pm
And supply them with weapons... just take note the brave Ukrs have ability to sell these
weapons faster then you can say "duh!"
Stewby -> Skywithclouds, 15 June 2014 3:07pm
Most of the US leadership is still under the misconception that the US has a qualitative
edge in weapons, but really anything we can produce the Russians and Chinese can as well. The
US lost it's technological lead when our computer companies started selling out the American
worker by exploiting Chinese labor. Now we're in a situation where our only military advantage
is the quantity of weapons we have, but when our current stockpile becomes obsolete national
power will be nearly proportional to a nation's population and it's acceptance of casualties.
Jeremn, 14 June 2014 9:06pm
That nonsense about tanks has gone to Kerry's head.
Those three tanks were supposed to be from Russia, but it turns out they were captured by
rebels on Monday at Artemovsk near Lugansk, that they were T64 BVs in Ukrainian service, modified
for the Ukrainian Army at Kharkov, in Ukrainian Army paint schemes, and wearing Ukrainian protective
Kontakt-1 missile deflection.
The US really, really wants to put sanctions on Russia. Desperation showing.
VasilyZaitsev -> Jeremn, 14 June 2014 9:38pm
interestingly it's just Kerry talking these days.
no stern warnings from Germany or anybody.
Robert Sandlin, 14 June 2014 9:39pm
Not all Americans are fooled.Just the ones in power:
Cohen on Ukraine civil war: 'Lincoln didn't call Confederates terrorists'
Historical analogies may be inaccurate, but Americans may need to look at their own civil
war and compare it to what is happening in Ukraine now. Today the US supports a murderous criminal
adventure that has little to do with unifying the country.
This assessment came from Professor Stephen Cohen, prominent US scholar of Russian studies
and author, who advised George H.W. Bush in the late 1980s. He spoke to RT about the mistakes
of the consecutive American administrations in their Russia policies, the worst crisis in decades
that they led to and the deterioration of political discourse in America that prevents things
from changing in Washington.
Cohen challenged the narrative of the Ukrainian events dominating in the US, calling the
military crackdown by the government an "unwise, reckless, murderous, inhuman campaign that
Kiev is conduction against what are admittedly rebel provinces."
"Lincoln never called the Confederacy terrorists," the scholar pointed out. "He always said,
no matter how bad the civil war was, fellow citizens he wanted to come back to the union. Why
is Kiev calling its own citizens terrorists? They are rebels. They are protesters. They have
a political agenda. Why isn't Kiev sending a delegation there to negotiate with them?
"Their demands are not unreasonable. They want to elect their own governors – we elect our
own governors. They want a say on where their taxes go – 'no taxation without representation.'
We know what that is," Cohen said. "There are extremists among them, but there are also people
who simply want to live in a Ukraine that is for everybody. And instead the Kiev army, with
the full support of the United States, is supporting this assault."
What the US doing with Ukraine now is alienating arguably the best potential ally it has now,
Cohen said.
"I am convinced that the most essential partner for the American national security in all
of these areas from Iran to Syria, Afghanistan and beyond is the Kremlin, currently occupied
by Putin. And the way the United States has treated Putin – I would call it a betrayal of American
national interest."
Russia helped the Obama administration save its face in Syria, where the president was pushed
into bombing the country over chemical weapons. It helped make bridges with the new leadership
of Iran to start the first serious negotiations in decades.
"Obama had within his grasp at last – because it was a failed foreign policy presidency for
Obama – two achievements that would have been in American national interest. And they have slipped
away almost in proportion to the degree that Obama pushed Putin away. Pushed Putin away so far
that over Ukraine we [the US] could be on the verge of war with Russia."
Cohen blames the US, particularly the Clinton administration for setting the world on a path
that led it to the current confrontation between the West and Russia.
"This is the playing out of American policy of expanding NATO to Russia's borders – for whatever
reasons. It began with Clinton, was continued under the second George Bush, has been pushed
by Obama. And that is the rooster that has come home to roost."
"Some people in the 1990s… warned that this was going to happen. Now that it has, and the
people would not take responsibility for it," he said. "They would not say 'OK, we were wrong,
we have to rethink policy.' Instead they say to people such as myself, 'You are an apologist
for Putin. You are serving the Kremlin, you are not a patriot.'"
This lack of ability to change policies is evident in the current administration, the scholar
believes.
"I had lunch with two men much older than me, who had served many presidents and who've known
them personally. And they were agreed that this president more than anyone in their lifetime
isolated himself on foreign policy."
One anecdotal example Cohen cited is Obama's refusal to talk to former Secretary of State
Henry Kissinger.
"I have heard – whether it's true or not I don't know – that President Obama has declined
to meet privately with Henry Kissinger, who sees Putin twice a year. Kissinger probably knows
Putin better than any American statesmen alive today and who has been consulted by so many presidents.
Think what we might about Kissinger's past, but he has already declared his criticism of American
policy towards Russia. And Obama wouldn't want to spend an hour with him, asking 'Are we doing
something wrong? Are we misperceiving the situation?'"
It's no surprise that a leader, who doesn't take into account various viewpoint on a problem
cannot take a rational decision on tackling it, Cohen said.
Part 2
"I ask for a president to be a person, who solicits the best and most diverse learned views
involving an existing crisis, that's all… A president has to bring in people with conflicting
views whose legitimacy is based on their knowledge, their learning. A president who doesn't
do that is going to get us into a crisis that Obama and Clinton got us into."
Unfortunately for America, it's not only the White house that discourages debate now, but also
American society in general, the professor said.
"There is no debate of public opposition in this country about this, unlike the situation
20-25 years ago, when we had real debates and public fights," he said. "I don't know if they
[the mainstream media – RT] know the truth and therefore are not telling the truth, or that
they are just caught up in the myths that had been attached to Russia since the end of the Soviet
Union."
"An orthodoxy about Russia has formed in this country over 20 years," he added. "And it's
not only wrong, it's reckless. It led us to this crisis in Ukraine… The only way you can break
orthodoxy is with heresy. Some of the things I say are regarded as heretical, treasonous, unpatriotic.
But heresy is a good thing, when it's needed."
This situation is a sharp contrast to what happens in some other democracies, which don't
hush a public debate on foreign policy issues and don't try to push opinions not liked by the
political establishment into the 'fringe press'.
"Germany, a relatively new democracy with a past as bad as Russia's, could develop a democracy,
where people can speak openly and feely without fear of failing to get a promotion or getting
on an op-ed page. Two of three former German chancellors have blamed Europe for the crisis in
Ukraine – not Russia."
"Where are our former presidents? We know why President Clinton wouldn't speak out, because
he began that policy. But where is President Carter? Where are the former secretaries of state
who pursued other policies? Why the silence? We've developed, I fear, a political culture within
the establishment that is conformist. Even though the penalty of dissent in our country is cheap,
unlike in many other countries." http://rt.com/op-edge/165932-lincoln-confederates-terrorists-ukraine/
Bullybyte, 14 June 2014 10:04pm
In Ukraine on Saturday, 49 servicemen were killed when pro-Russian separatists shot down
an army transport plane in the east of the country.
So what were 40 paratroopers doing flying over the eastern Ukraine. Delivering food parcels?
What is not being mentioned is that a Ukrainian tank crossed the border into Russia, and
got stuck. There was only one man in it, and Russian border guards arrested him. Suddenly, a
Ukrainian armoured car packed with soldiers arrived, threatened the border guards, who released
the arrestee, and drove back over the border. Last I heard, the tank was still stuck.
The US contends Russia has sent tanks and rocket launchers to the rebels.
It is not often that I agree with Thatcher. But she did say once that the other side has
to be supplied with arms, because they have a right to defend themselves. What Ketchup King
Kerry is saying is that the idea is that these paratroopers can come floating out of the sky,
and spray an unarmed populace with machine gun fire. What would the National Rifle Association
have to say about that?
Let there be no mistake about the Americans. This is no longer the country who cleared the
Japanese out of the Pacific during the Second World War. George Washington once said: "No foreign
entanglements." But that has gone out the window.Look at what they did to Iraq with their sanctions
and their war. I could not believe that they planned to take out Saddam Insane. True, he was
not the milk of human kindness; but the entire region was - and still is - a mess, and Saddam
Insane was holding the whole thing together, In taking him out the Americans, and their lapdog,
Tory Blur, have destabilised the whole region. Now, the Iraqis are tearing themselves apart,
the Americans are going to walk away as though nothing has happened. And now, they are in the
process of depositing their eggs in Eastern Europe.
Vatslav Rente, 14 June 2014 11:32pm
Come on "Guardian", let us clarify. Peaceful protesters in Kyiv turned and smashed several
cars of the Russian Embassy, pelted the building with firecrackers and stones. They also poured
over with green paint deputies of the Parliament of Ukraine arrived to calm the protesters.
Ukrainian police did not intervene.
Democratic values in Ukraine. Bravo, yes, I understand(((
Матвей Тарасов -> Vatslav Rente,15 June 2014 10:35am
Even that is not all. Minister of foreign affairs of Ukraine Deshiza being near of russian
embassy said on camera: "Putin is ..." I have to omit the last word because it's strongly obscene.
But video is on the net. After that the whole zoo, with minister of foreign affairs being the
head, started to shout obscene words about Russia.
une 15 - Protesters in Kiev hurl bricks and stones at Russian Embassy after rebels shoot
down Ukrainian military plane. Paul Chapman reports ( Transcript )
Vatslav Rente -> AfinaPallada, 15 June 2014 6:06pm
Clarification. The word "Khuilo", comes from one of the main words of the Russian Mat: "Хуй"
(Hui - huilo) and denotes the penis men. Russian obscene language (Mat) is very extensive and
widespread in post-Soviet space, is considered very offensive to all Russian-speaking.
Very pleased that foreign Minister Andriy Deshchytsia as a true patriot of Ukraine not only
familiar with the Russian Mat, but does not hesitate to use it in front of a camera in the address
of the President of the country, which Ukraine owes more than $ 5 billion for gas. He is a true
"diplomat", the crowd was satisfied...
All right, this will help to improve relations between Russia and Ukraine)))(((
Sergei Dobrovolsky, 15 June 2014 12:28am
I regret any loss of human life, but, to be fair, the soldiers on the plane were flying to
kill the very people who killed them - the fighters who surround the airport. If they landed,
there would be dozens of dead on the other side of the fight. If there is anybody to blame here,
it's certainly the idiots who decided to send an easy target like a big transport plane to a
besieged airport in the first place. And the still higher up idiots who don't understand that
they've lost Donbass and Lugansk when, instead of negotiating, they started shooting and bombing,
just because it was unthinkable to nationalists that some part of Ukraine is not very "Ukrainian"
and does not appreciate the militant Russophobia of Maidan and of post-Maidan Ukraine in general.
Sergei Dobrovolsky, 15 June 2014 12:44am
A photo comparing the Russian embassy in Kiev today (with overturned cars which "peaceful
protesters" covered with swastikas) and the Ukrainian embassy in Moscow after the massacre in
Odessa (with flowers and icons brought by Moscovites):
There was a discussion on a Russian webpage today arguing that people in Europe dislike Russians.
I wrote that it's not true: I was born in Europe (Dnepropetrovsk, Ukraine), live in Europe (Moscow,
Russia) - and I like Russians a lot... :)
Cain Smith, 15 June 2014 12:46am
And now america asks for the help of iran to stop the problems they created in iraq.......
When will america stop creating trouble throughout the world just to justify their own needs
Oskar Jaeger -> Cain Smith, 15 June 2014 12:53am
Every country puts its own needs first, even Russia.
Nickel07 -> Oskar Jaeger, 15 June 2014 1:12am
Ok we got you. You are one of the "the end justifies the means" boys....when it suits you,
even if it means the death of millions as the US has so gleefully dispensed during the last
few years.
It is no secret that as the Fed's centrally-planned New Normal has unfolded, one after another
central-planner and virtually all economists, have been caught wrong-footed with their constant
predictions of an "imminent" economic surge, any minute now, and always just around the corner.
And yet, nearly six years after Lehman, five years after the end of the last "recession" (even as
the depression for most rages on), America is about to have its worst quarter in decades (excluding
the great financial crisis), with a -2% collapse in GDP, which has been blamed on... the weather.
That's right: economists are the only people who will look anyone in the eye, and suggest that
it was harsh weather that smashed global trade, pounded retail sales (in the process freezing the
internet because people it was so cold nobody shopped online), and even with soaring utility usage
and the Obamacare induced capital misallocation still led to world's largest economy to a 5% plunge
from initial estimates for 3% growth in Q1. In other words, a delta of hundreds of billion in "growth
lost or uncreated" due to, well, snow in the winter.
Sadly for the same economists, now that Q2 is not shaping up to be much better than Q1, other,
mostly climatic, excuses have arisen: such as El Nino, the California drought, and even suggestions
that, gasp, as a result of the Fed's endless meddling in the economy, the terminal growth rate of
the world has been permanently lowered to 2% or lower.
What is sadder for economists, even formerly respectable ones, is that overnight it was none
other than Tyler Cowen who,
writing in the New York Times, came up with yet another theory to explain the "continuing
slowness of economic growth in high-income economies." In his own words: "An additional explanation
of slow growth is now receiving attention, however. It is the persistence and expectation
of peace."
That's right - blame it on the lack of war!
The world just hasn't had that much warfare lately, at least not by historical standards.
Some of the recent headlines about Iraq or South Sudan make our world sound like a very bloody
place, but today's casualties pale in light of the tens of millions of people killed in the
two world wars in the first half of the 20th century. Even the Vietnam War had many more deaths
than any recent war involving an affluent country.
Well, that's just unacceptable: surely all the world needs for some serious growth is for war
casualties to be in the billions, not in the paltry hundreds of thousands.
Keynesianism 101 continues:
Counterintuitive though it may sound, the greater peacefulness of the world may make the
attainment of higher rates of economic growth less urgent and thus less likely. This view does
not claim that fighting wars improves economies, as of course the actual conflict brings death
and destruction. The claim is also distinct from the Keynesian argument that preparing for war
lifts government spending and puts people to work. Rather, the very possibility of war focuses
the attention of governments on getting some basic decisions right - whether investing in science
or simply liberalizing the economy. Such focus ends up improving a nation's longer-run prospects.
To be sure, Cowen is quick covers his ass with some quick diplomacy. After all how dare he implicitly
suggest that the only reason the US escaped the Great Depression is what some say was its orchestrated
entry into World War 2:
It may seem repugnant to find a positive side to war in this regard, but a look at American
history suggests we cannot dismiss the idea so easily. Fundamental innovations such
as nuclear power, the computer and the modern aircraft were all pushed along by an American
government eager to defeat the Axis powers or, later, to win the Cold War. The Internet
was initially designed to help this country withstand a nuclear exchange, and Silicon Valley
had its origins with military contracting, not today's entrepreneurial social media start-ups.
The Soviet launch of the Sputnik satellite spurred American interest in science and technology,
to the benefit of later economic growth.
So what is it about war that makes economic "growth" that much greater. Apparently it has to
do with an urgency in spending. As in urgently spending more than the trillions of dollars needed
to support the US welfare state now, and spending even more trillions in hopes of, you guessed it,
stumbling on the next "Internet" (which apparently wasn't created by Al Gore).
War brings an urgency that governments otherwise fail to summon. For instance, the Manhattan
Project took six years to produce a working atomic bomb, starting from virtually nothing, and
at its peak consumed 0.4 percent of American economic output. It is hard to imagine a comparably
speedy and decisive achievement these days.
What we find surprising is that it took the econofrauds this long to scapegoat that last falsifiable
boundary - the lack of war - for the lack of growth. But they are finally stirring:
Ian Morris, a professor of classics and history at Stanford, has revived the hypothesis that
war is a significant factor behind economic growth in his recent book, "War! What Is it Good
For? Conflict and the Progress of Civilization From Primates to Robots." Morris considers a
wide variety of cases, including the Roman Empire, the European state during its Renaissance
rise and the contemporary United States. In each case there is good evidence that the desire
to prepare for war spurred technological invention and also brought a higher degree of internal
social order.
Another new book, Kwasi Kwarteng's "War and Gold: A 500-Year History of Empires, Adventures,
and Debt," makes a similar argument but focuses on capital markets. Mr. Kwarteng, a Conservative
member of British Parliament, argues that the need to finance wars led governments to help develop
monetary and financial institutions, enabling the rise of the West. He does worry, however,
that today many governments are abusing these institutions and using them to take on too much
debt. (Both Mr. Kwarteng and Mr. Morris are extending themes from Azar Gat's 820-page magnum
opus, "War in Human Civilization," published in 2006.)
Yet another investigation of the hypothesis appears in a recent working paper by the economists
Chiu Yu Ko, Mark Koyama and Tuan-Hwee Sng. The paper argues that Europe evolved as more politically
fragmented than China because China's risk of conquest from its western flank led it toward
political centralization for purposes of defense. This centralization was useful at first but
eventually held China back. The European countries invested more in technology and modernization,
precisely because they were afraid of being taken over by their nearby rivals.
The fun part will be when economists finally do get their suddenly much desired war (just as
they did with World War II, and World War I before it, the catalyst for the creation of the Fed
of course), just as they got their much demanded trillions in monetary stimulus. Recall that according
to Krugman the Fed has failed to stimulate the economy because it simply wasn't enough: apparently
having the Fed hold 35% of all 10 Year equivalents, injecting nearly $3 trillion in reserves into
the stock market, and creating a credit bubble that makes the 2007 debt bubble pale by comparison
was not enough. One needs moar!
And so it will be with war. Because the first war will be blamed for having been too small -
it is time for a bigger war. Then an even bigger war. And so on, until the most worthless human
beings in existence - economists of course - get their armageddon, resulting in the death of billions.
Perhaps only then will the much desired GDP explosion finally arrive?
Luckily for Cowen, he stops from advocating war as the ultimate panacea to a slow growth (at
least for now: once the US enters a recession with a nother quarter of negative growth, one can
only imagine what lunacy Krugman columns will carry). Instead he frames it as an issue of trade
offs: "We can prefer higher rates of economic growth and progress, even while recognizing that recent
G.D.P. figures do not adequately measure all of the gains we have been enjoying. In addition to
more peace, we also have a cleaner environment (along most but not all dimensions), more
leisure time and a higher degree of social tolerance for minorities and formerly persecuted groups.
Our more peaceful and - yes - more slacker-oriented world is in fact better than our economic measures
acknowledge."
And let's not forget that GDP is nothing but economic bullshit, confirmed when in recent weeks
Europe - seemingly tired of waiting for war - arbitrarily decided to add the "benefits" of prostitution
and narcotics. And there you have all the meaningless growth you can dream of. If only on paper.
Because hundreds of million of people in the developed world, without a job, out of the labor force,
can only be placated with dreams of "hope and change" for so long. And certainly not once they get
hungry, or realize that the biggest lie of all in the Bismarckian welfare state - guaranteed welfare
- is long broke.
Cowen's conclusion:
Living in a largely peaceful world with 2 percent G.D.P. growth has some big advantages
that you don't get with 4 percent growth and many more war deaths. Economic stasis
may not feel very impressive, but it's something our ancestors never quite managed to pull off.
The real questions are whether we can do any better, and whether the recent prevalence of peace
is a mere temporary bubble just waiting to be burst.
That's great. Now all we need is some economist and/or central-planner who actually gets top
billing and determines policy to have a different conclusion, and decide that 4% growth is actually
worth m(b)illions of dead people.
Judging by recent events in Ukraine and the middle-east that announcement may be just around
the corner.
So called "diplomat" Kind of New "F*ck Russia" generation of Ukrainian diplomats
Yandex-News
Acting foreign Minister of Ukraine Andriy Deshchica sung to obscene song about Russian President
Vladimir Putin during a meeting with activists that attacked the Russian Embassy in Kiev. He used
the song has become popular among Ukrainian football fans.
Video from singing the head of the Ministry publishes "Gromadske TV".
Andriy Deshchica came to the walls of the Russian Embassy together with the head of the Ministry
of internal Affairs Arsen Avakov in the evening on Saturday, June 14.
The situation became even more tense as dozens of masked and camouflaged radicals of the Maidan
self-defense troops, the Right Sector, and the nationalist Svoboda party joined the protest in the
evening. Rocks, smoke grenades, and some explosives were thrown at the embassy from over the fence.
Posted by: fairleft
| Jun 14, 2014 10:39:55 AM |
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Stephen Cohen talks good sense but knows no one is listening in official Washington. This
indictment of a fear-based conformist American culture is well deserved:
"There is no debate of public opposition in this country about this, unlike the situation
20-25 years ago, when we had real debates and public fights," he said. "I don't know if
they [the mainstream media – RT] know the truth and therefore are not telling the truth,
or that they are just caught up in the myths that had been attached to Russia since the
end of the Soviet Union."
"An orthodoxy about Russia has formed in this country over 20 years," he added. "And
it's not only wrong, it's reckless. It led us to this crisis in Ukraine… The only way
you can break orthodoxy is with heresy. Some of the things I say are regarded as heretical,
treasonous, unpatriotic. But heresy is a good thing, when it's needed."
This situation is a sharp contrast to what happens in some other democracies, which don't
hush a public debate on foreign policy issues and don't try to push opinions not liked by
the political establishment into the 'fringe press'.
"Germany, a relatively new democracy with a past as bad as Russia's, could develop a
democracy, where people can speak openly and feely without fear of failing to get a promotion
or getting on an op-ed page. Two of three former German chancellors have blamed Europe for
the crisis in Ukraine – not Russia."
"Where are our former presidents? We know why President Clinton wouldn't speak out, because
he began that policy. But where is President Carter? Where are the former secretaries of
state who pursued other policies? Why the silence? We've developed, I fear, a political
culture within the establishment that is conformist.
It's not just the establishment, it's also all the establishment wannabes, and everyone else
who fears the all-seeing state's Panopticon.
VoltaireNet on Poland's role in this -- kind of looks like Sikorski, like Brzezinski, dreams
of a revived Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. And Jerzy Dziewulski, the Polish Erik Prince, is up to
his eyeballs in it.
Wow. Do you know anything about the reliability of this blog? If Ukrainian gold really did
end up in Iraq, then that would strongly suggest the, erm, current unrest there was also planned
in advance. I have no trouble believing we're that Evil -- but I'm kind of surprised we're capable
of such intricate long-term planning.
Stephen Cohen talks good sense but knows no one is listening in official Washington.
This indictment of a fear-based conformist American culture is well deserved:
"There is no debate of public opposition in this country about this, unlike the situation
20-25 years ago, when we had real debates and public fights," he said. "I don't know
if they [the mainstream media – RT] know the truth and therefore are not telling the
truth, or that they are just caught up in the myths that had been attached to Russia
since the end of the Soviet Union."
"An orthodoxy about Russia has formed in this country over 20 years," he added.
"And it's not only wrong, it's reckless. It led us to this crisis in Ukraine… The
only way you can break orthodoxy is with heresy. Some of the things I say are regarded
as heretical, treasonous, unpatriotic. But heresy is a good thing, when it's needed."
This situation is a sharp contrast to what happens in some other democracies, which
don't hush a public debate on foreign policy issues and don't try to push opinions not
liked by the political establishment into the 'fringe press'.
"Germany, a relatively new democracy with a past as bad as Russia's, could develop
a democracy, where people can speak openly and feely without fear of failing to get
a promotion or getting on an op-ed page. Two of three former German chancellors have
blamed Europe for the crisis in Ukraine – not Russia."
"Where are our former presidents? We know why President Clinton wouldn't speak out,
because he began that policy. But where is President Carter? Where are the former secretaries
of state who pursued other policies? Why the silence? We've developed, I fear, a political
culture within the establishment that is conformist.
It's not just the establishment, it's also all the establishment wannabes, and everyone else
who fears the all-seeing state's Panopticon.
[Jun 14, 2014] "Thee tanks from Russia": false flag operation against Russia?
ZeroHedge commenter: Are these photos from the same album that contains pictures of Iraqi mobile
chemical weapon trucks?...
вот так said...
Maybe this is the falseflag being speculated about that the zionazis are engineering? It's probably
a part of it.
U.S. Confirms Russia Sent Tanks, Weapons to Ukrainian Separatists
"The State Department announced on Friday that it has confirmed that Russia, which has
repeatedly denied stoking unrest in Ukraine, sent tanks, rocket launchers and other weapons
into the country.
The New York Times reports that "a Western official said that the intelligence about
the movement of the tanks and other weapons into Ukraine was shared on Friday with NATO
allies," after affirming that tanks seen on Ukrainian streets were, in fact, of Russian
origin..."
This also could be an effort to preempt news of the zionazi use of phosphorus on civilians.
I don't know the circumstances of the capture of the tanks from the zionazis, but i wonder if
they "arranged" it so the tanks could be captured so the zionazi quislings in the U.S. regime,
and the Jew-nazi media, could claim the Russians supplied the tanks. It is the sort of gay move
one expects from the bum bandits.
In the end, the entire US planned and funded Coup in Kiev is falling apart. The dream was
to use a small well paid and highy trained cadre of professional protestors to carry out a coup
by taking over the central square of Kiev and ride the wave of Western Media support to control
of Parliament. The protestors had been trained for months is camps in Poland and the Baltics,
where tactics and organized command was put into place. Pay was around 40-50 Euros a day, very
high by Ukrainian standards.
This force was backed up by American CIA command and control, along with special sniper squads
to be used only if needed. To win, they were needed. Kiev to this day can not explain the dozens
of riot police gunned down stone cold dead along with a group of armed and unarmed protestors.
Shooting by protestors was videoed many times, but these were not the snipers, they were hold
up in a buliding just off the Miadan. Shooting both sides at random.
NATO, led by the USA using the CIA arranged and carried out a coup d'etat using West Ukrainian
fascists as the foot soldier. The goal was to pull a rapid regime change with a change over
to an EU/NATO led government, then quickly use the army to secure this power, ask for NATO help
and get boots on the ground BEFORE Russia could react. Thus in a short period of time, it was
hoped to be able to secure the whole prize, Crimea being the biggest NATO prize.
The reason it all went to shit is because the parliament of Crimea passed laws and made announcements
BEFORE the coup came close to success in Kiev. They announced that they would refuse any orders
from a Kiev coup government, then they sealed the borders and put into place armed check points.
Backed across the Crimea by Russia troops already stationed in Crimea by law. Before the coup
could work it's magic, Crimean Parliament gave Russia political cover and armed support to prevent
Kiev from sending any thugs to start the revolution in Crimea.
THIS quick action destroyed the US/NATO plan totally. And it gave hope to East Ukraine that
they too could rise up and prevent the coup assuming control over their homes and cities. Thus
we see the battles now.
Here is a story of complete State department lies. How would I know? Well, reading sources
from on the scene revealed several days ago that Ukraine's army was committing main battle
tanks to the fighting. Video evidence of tank columns and train cars bringing tanks to the
East. Several days after their arrival, the Defense Forces reported engaging tanks in battle.
The following day the Self Defense Forces reported the capture of 3 Ukrainian Army
Tanks, soon after that pictures and videos of the three tanks being driven by Pro Russian
Self Defense Fighters were posted. Now reports are being released of these tanks being used
in battle and the loss of perhaps two of them.
So, I get up this morning and Britain's Daily Mail reports this Russian Tank Invasion
story as released by the Kiev media. Checking into it, the same videos and pictures showing
the captured Ukrainian tanks were now relabeled by Kiev as showing Russian Federation Army
Tanks that invaded Ukraine. Checking carefully, yes, indeed, these are OLD pictures of the
very same captured tanks being used now by the Self Defense Forces in battle.
The western media is both pathetic, transparent and generally whorish in their lies designed
to promote the US State Department lie machine and the Kiev Coup Leader's lie machine. Since
Kiev's own border guards defected to Russia, 84 of them from one section of the border,
several days ago, and asked for asylum in the Russian Federation, Kiev's coup leaders and
their bosses at the US State Department have been beside themselves with rage over another
failure of the Coup to garner support. These section of border, over 100 kilometers long
is now open and held by Self Defense Forces. Thus if Russia wanted to ship tanks, they could
do it with ease. But that does not appear to be happening. The three captured tanks have
so far been the Self Defense Force's only Main Battle Tanks.
Now that America's foreign policy and military leaders have been screwed up the ass in
Iraq. Screwed in Syria, Screwed in Libya and now their Ukrainian dream is falling to shit,
they do what they always do when confronted with their own incompetent failures that are
being made public day after day, they do the only thing these overpaid American failures
can do. Lie and cry. Lie about the failures of their West Ukrainian fascist Right Sector
legions to win the battle against the inhabitants of East Ukraine Lie about the Ukrainian
border guards and soldiers walking across the frontier into Russia and asking to be accepted
into the reseistance. Where is Nuland? Two days ago she was walking the Miadan with the
boxer Klitschko and talking over his new role as mayor of Kiev. Nuland is a blood soaked
failure. Yet she maintains her position as a highly paid State department whore.
Pretty harsh Jack. At least she got 50% of her job done. The lying part, that is. No one
is perfect.
Jack Burton
In the end, the entire US planned and funded Coup in Kiev is falling apart. The dream was
to use a small well paid and highy trained cadre of professional protestors to carry out
a coup by taking over the central square of Kiev and ride the wave of Western Media support
to control of Parliament. The protestors had been trained for months is camps in Poland
and the Baltics, where tactics and organized command was put into place. Pay was around
40-50 Euros a day, very high by Ukrainian standards. This force was backed up by American
CIA command and control, along with special sniper squads to be used only if needed. To
win, they were needed. Kiev to this day can not explain the dozens of riot police gunned
down stone cold dead along with a group of armed and unarmed protestors. Shooting by protestors
was videoed many times, but these were not the snipers, they were hold up in a buliding
just off the Miadan. Shooting both sides at random.
The US controlled coup was a master work in as far as it was able to secure the Maidan
and then the control over parliament. The revolt of the East and Crimea was expected, but
not to such a highly professional degree and so rapidly. Russia was obviously not going
to surrender the East to NATO.
Lets be honest and say fuck it to all the lies and fake news stories. NATO, led by the USA
using the CIA arranged and carried out a coup d'etat using West Ukrainian fascists as the
foot soldier. The goal was to pull a rapid regime change with a change over to an EU/NATO
led government, then quickly use the army to secure this power, ask for NATO help and get
boots on the ground BEFORE Russia could react. Thus in a short period of time, it was hoped
to be able to secure the whole prize, Crimea being the biggest NATO prize. The reason it
all went to shit is because the parliament of Crimea passed laws and made announcements
BEFORE the coup came close to success in Kiev. They announced that they would refuse any
orders from a Kiev coup government, then they sealed the bordes and put into place armed
check points. Backed across the Crimea by Russia troops already stationed in Crimea by law.
Before the coup could work it's magic, Crimean Parliament gave Russia political cover and
armed support to prevent Kiev from sending any thugs to start the revolution in Crimea.
THIS quick action destroyed the US/NATO plan totally. And it gave hope to East Ukraine that
they too could rise up and prevent the coup assuming control over their homes and cities.
Thus we see the battles now.
Beaten by a rapid Russian response to the NATO take over, now the west, Kiev and NATO are
all being defeated on the battle field by pro Russian self defense fighters. This is making
NATO and Obama very angry. Kiev is beside itself over the failure of NATO's entire coup
operation, YES, they took the Maidan and sit in the Rada as powerful leaders of a rump,
bankrupt and militarily defeated puppet of Washington.
I would entertain anyone's thoughts who sees this differently. If they have the evidence
that what I said is wrong, I will take it into account. But as of now, I think evidence
all points to this being an entirely Washington based coup, a well planned operation that
failed because of two things. Russia's rapid action, and the unaccountably high support
Russia enjoys in Crimea and most of all in East and South Ukraine. The west denies this
support for Russia inside Ukraine, but the reality that self defense forces are beating
up highly armed Ukrainian army forces and large right sector gangs on a daily basis gives
the lie to all the western medias narrative of the on the ground reality.
Kiev is bankrupt and by winter will be in total chaos. When pensions are slashed, wages
slashed, job eliminate to allow German imports to take over markets, and IMF bankers tell
the Rada what to and not to do. How is that gonna sink in to a population who can only ask
the EU and Washington for money for energy and to fund government. Pensions, health care,
military, public works, schools and everything. The Coup of Kiev is totally beholding to
the West for everything they will need by winter. Only free money handouts will keep this
dead horse still pulling.
As for the battle to conquer the East Ukraine and make it part of the fascist west Ukraine.
I wish them good luck with that. They will have their asses kicked, and in response the
Kiev coup will begin the slaughter of thousands of civilians and raise cities to the ground,
while the Washington Leaders provide diplomatic cover and media lies to protect the war
criminals that Washington is hoping will lead Ukraine into the front line NATO nation for
the destruction of Russia. The fools in Washington are playing the end game now, and from
how they are doing, do not expect the end game to end well. Fucking mess, caused by fucking
idiots using our tax money to piss it down the Kiev rathole, all the while American people
sink into debt and low wage poverty.
Obama was our idea of hope and change? Imagine the hope and change Hillary "the bitch" Cliton
will bring. That war mongering Israeli bitch will leave a trail of dead all across her path.
She is evil and plans mass murder and mass war. In all my years as an American voter, I
have never seen such a threat to American freedom and peace as MS. Cliton. As she dances
to AIPAC's tune in every detail. WHo is in charge her anyways? Guess.
sushi
Good analysis.
You could add in that Poland's motive in all of this, apart from making itself a useful
tool of the USSA, is likely salivating at the prospect of a failed Ukrainian state whioch
permits Poland to march in an reclaim lands that once were part of Poland. This would likely
suit some of the Ukrainian oligarchs as a Polish annexation puts them immediately within
the EU and under NATO protection. This is a variation on the gameplan that Georgia attempted
a couple of years ago.
But if you can undertake this analysis and I can do the same and concur in your basic findings
then the question becomes who else can do the same?
My hunch is that many of the EU nations are staring at several uncomfortable future facts:
1) The actions if the "Fuck the EU" USSA is in the process of delivering a failed state
on the EU borders. This sort of blows up the EU peace, love, light, good fellowship brotherhood
bullsit on which the EU was founded.
2) This failed state is likely to become a source of a new wave of in-mirgation to the current
EU states when they already face problems with existing levels of migration.
3) The presence of a failed state on the eastern border and the the revitalization of cold
war rehetoric / conflict, serves to isolate the EU from the emerging markets in Aisia.
4) The current USSA driven mess in Iraq likely presages higher fuel costs. Any sane analysis
shows that it si impossible for the USSA to replace RF NG. Even if USSA had the stocks (which
they don't) it would take 3 years + to build the necessary infrastructure to support such
exports. That is three very long, very cold, very expensive winters.
5) The EU is sitting on the edge of falling back into recession (don't think it ever left
recession / depression without the tactiv of counting all hookers and blow as newly found
GDP) and higher energy costs will surely kill the economy.
6) EU has to face up to the fact that they are not glorious and independent emeging nation
state but simply a USSA satrapy, a group of subordinat vassals. This realization has got
to burn. Reports are that the USSA buys off EU leaders with bags of cash. This sets the
stage for colour revolutions in the EU. This is already being reflected in the latest round
of elections.
Even if o'Bummer departs the scene, the wheels set in motion will not be easily stopped
or reversed. What we aare watching is the initial stages of a slow motion collapse of USSA
empire.
Cheers!
Ides of November
Germany & Turkey are the swing States that will ultimately destroy NATO.
Erdogan can certainly be no great friend of the USA after what went on earlier this year.
But he needs to secure his power at the Turkish Presidential Election in August. If he wins,
as he should easily, expect Turkey to start moving away from NATO.
Turkey of course also ties in intimately to the situations in Iraq & Syria. Iran looms
as potentially a key strategic ally of Turkey in the Middle East and it would mightily suit
both of these countries to reshape the situation and borders in Iraq/Syria to their own
benefit - most probably under the cover of China & Russia.
The Turkish Elections really are far more important than many people realise. Erdogan
could gain real power in a few months - and leaving NATO and kicking the Americans out of
Incirlik would certainly be a possibility not too far down the road. The Turks won't do
this lightly of course, but events are clearly moving in that direction with the chaos now
spreading to their South.
Hard to read Angela Merkel - either she's an idiot/muppet of the highest order and believes
the lies the Americans are telling her, or has a pathological hatred/fear? (either/both??)
of Russia from her time growing up in the Russian controlled vassal State of East Germany,
or, she is actually playing a long game and while demonising Russia publicly, and for the
sake of the Western media/ American establishment, is actually revealing her true intentions
to Putin via back-channels (got to be careful here though given the reach of the NSA which
she should well know about!!) or perhaps via subordinates.
Does anyone know which it actually is of those 3?
If the Russia establishment was smart - and you'd have to assume they are, they would
really be getting into the ears of the Germans & Turks and promising them oodles of cheap
energy in future to be truly, when it comes to it, non-aligned in any substantial stand-off
between Russia and the West.
A joint German/Turkish announcement that they were leaving NATO as it no longer served
any useful purpose would be immensely powerful. Does anyone really think Turkey fears Iranian
nuclear tipped missiles?
And if NATO's Europeam Defence Shield was really planned to prevent Iranian nuclear missiles
raining down on Europe (And here I have to agree with Putin - the notion is frankly laughable
and always has been - the parroting of this line by the Western media was one of the early
signals I had that most of the Western media were at best useful idiots without the capacity
for rational thought!!) a very disappointing moment, but I digress. If that was the case
- why wasn't this missile shield planned to be built in Turkey!! I mean seriously - that
is the obvious NATO country for such a shield!!
In any case, the countries/peoples that are really setting themselves up for some serious
blowback here are Poland, the West Ukrainians and the Baltics. These guys seem to be the
biggest cheerleaders for the disastrous US policy in Ukraine - and that won't be forgotten.
Why is it always the same idiots?
It is noticeable that much of the rest of Eastern Europe has been relatively quiet on
the whole Ukraine situation. In stark contrast to the Poles who almost seem to be driving
the whole operation and Kiev coup with the encouragement and funding of the US NeoCons (which
doesn't include Obama - he is simply the most useful of idiots I have ever seen in this
whole situation).
Given, and I'll give Obama (probably completely) undeserved credit here, he managed to
finesse the calls for war in Syria last year into a populist backlash against US intervention
and the Congressman eventually woke up, properly assessed the situation - which is actually
their bloody job afterall and rather than letting themselves be led by the nose by a bunch
of fanatical neocons, effectively vetoed any real US military intervention in Syria, I really
don't think he wants to be starting off any wars. I do feel that he almost feels like he's
trapped into some of these stupid policies and he (clearly) lacks the power (and/ or) balls
to do anything about it.
If he had any balls - there's a whole list of people he should immediately sack - John
Kerry, Victoria Nuland, Joseph Biden, Geoffrey Pyatt, John Brennan being at the top of the
list and you can throw in the likes of Susan Rice and Jen Psaki for good measure. Perhaps
even Eric Holder for just being a moron, but that's for entirely different reasons that
Obama is actually probably on board with.
The only hope you can have is that the whole thing doesn't blow up before the US Mid-Terms
- perhaps a 50-50 proposition, and after his last election cycle is out of the way he can
actually remove these cretins from his administrations. It's extremely doubtful he will
of course, because he's hitched his wagon to these guys, but it might be the only hope we
have of avoiding World War 3 or perhaps a much hotter version of the Cold War.
Does Obama have any balls? Prognosis is doubtful, extremely doubtful. We'll learn for
sure one way or another over the next 12 months. (And yes, I know most of you already know
the answer to that question, but I'm a slow-learner, and also for the sake of my friends
- many of whom seem to regard Obama as some sort of post-modern Messiah (I think they're
idiots for thinking like that and completely lack any rational or critical thought),but
for their sake I'll give him another 6-12 months of hope on the Obama front (at a maximum
and assuming everything doesn't blow up before then) which would obviously be his fault
for a complete lack of leadership. Real leadership not just sound bites (which is another
thing many people can't seem to differentiate between - ignorance is bliss for these libtards).
I am not hopeful, but I am looking forward to how this whole thing plays out. I have
a strong feeling many of these neocon (and European fellow travelers on the whole venture)
are going to have their asses handed to them over the next 12 months.
The imminent fall of Baghdad to a ragtag army of Sunni fascists might just be the tipping
point.
sushi
On Turkey
A few years back when a Kurdish state being established in Northern Iraq was a rumoured
outcome of the US invasion of Iraq, Turkey was threatening to take military action against
any such newly established state. The reasons for this was Turkish fear of Kurd "terrorists"
acting to undermine Turkish dominion of her eastern provinces which have a large Kurd population.
Since the population spans the border the fear was that any new Kurdish state in Iraq would
ultimately result in a conflict which would see the Turkish provinces with a high kurd population
moving to join the new state.
This would seem to remain a threat to the Turkish state. Not sure why Erdogan is not
repeating his prior bellicose statements unless it is to avoid drawing any attention to
Turkey's weakness and potential eastern problems.
Turkish support for Syrian rebels is understood to be done in quiet alliance with Saudi
Arabia. KSA supplies the money, Turkey provides geographic access. Suspect KSA sees its
future lies with Asian markets, not with a USSA which promotes non-existent energy exports.
Plus China exports quality low cost military hardware but appears indifferent to its end
use while the USSA puts client states on a short leash and threatens to cut off access to
required spares.
On Germany
Agreed on the puzzle that is Merkel. One would almost thing that the NSA has managed
to obtain some form of blackmail to ensure she holds the party line. What is known is that
the German industrialists and commercial sector are very conscious of the possibility of
being cut off from the growth markets in Asia while being saddled with support costs for
a sick EU economy.
On UK
UK actions presage a shift in EU relations. UK faces: 1) Cameron's antagonism against
Junker; 2) Scotland's threatened vote for independence; 3) Domestic unease over EU internal
migration policy; 4) Need to avoid antagonizing the expatriate Russian fund holders; 5)
Stay on the right side of the bed with Uncle Sam.
What is truly interesting is the the ISIS "occupation" of Iraq creates a significant
area devoid of air defenses. This provides Israel with more or less direct access to Iran
if they wished to act against Iranian nuke installations. But at the same time Israel now
shares an interest with Iran in inhibiting further gains on the part of ISIS. The same goes
for Saudi Arabia. If you were one of the Saudi princes happily living a dissolute lifestyle
while supporting the rebels in Syria would you sleep well at night if it turns out that
"Your" rebels may have minds of their own and have no qualms over hoisting heads on a stick
to warn against failing to conform to strict Islamic beliefs?
My bet is that in the capitals of much of the world the heads are spinning as they try
to calculate where their interests lie and whose side do they want to be on. I suspect this
leads to a fundamental questioning of the true value of USSA hegemony or the insanity of
entrusting any decision making to such an inchoate and powerful state as the USSA. For that
reason I suspect that whatever other outcomes result one of the core results will be weakening
of USSA global position.
As to your last point regarding members of the elite getting their asses handed to them,
I could not agree more. There are two many variables in play, too many highly conflicted
interests, too many potential flashpoints, for all of this to be tamped down and papered
over with some propoganda. May we live in interesting times!
Cheers!
JuliaS
Either the US is running out of capital and losing dute to inability to finance wars, or
existence of the internet is completely destroying our ability to distribute unilateral
propaganda - a crucial component in any military campaign.
For the first time in many years "this" feels different. Very different.
We've been fighting wars non stop for 100's of years. Never have we been losing on all
fronts simultaneously. Total collapse of the empire seems imminent. I better revisit Dmitry
Orlov as his predictions seem to be right on the money.
Sirius Wonderblast
The Russians were never going to let Nato near Sebastopol, happily it did not require much
shooting to maintain that assert.
Nato/Us (as usual) totally overlooked that people will fight far harder for their home
than for booty, hence the situation in East Ukraine.
Had the US and West generally (including UK) kept it's snout out of places like Iraq,
Afghanistan, Ukraine, the world would now be a far better/less unhappy place. But, some
businessmen who sponsor politicians wouldn't be so rich.
Thanks for update on what's really happening in Ukraine. Western-controlled media (including
Irish media, where I am)is keeping quiet at present about the Ukie punitive military operations
and war crimes against civilians - just the usual propaganda about the "confectionary billionaire"
calling for de-escalation, Russia refusing to reduce gas price, and continuing unrest after
"Russians annexed Crimea"
Nora said...
VERY interesting, detailed and informative review of the situation in Iraq from the Cultural
Advisor at the US Army War College. "Adam L. Silverman is the Cultural Advisor at the US
Army War College. He served in Iraq in 2008 as the Cultural Advisor to the 2nd Brigade Combat
Team/1st Armored Division as the Human Terrain Team Iraq 6 Field Social Scientist and Team
Lead. The views expressed here are his alone and do not necessarily reflect those of the
US Army War College and/or the US Army."
He appears to know his stuff -- and boyoboy, did we ever step in it!
Anonymous said...
Saker,
In the first place, thank you for this blog.
In the second, I think it would be excellent if you and our commenters began to hypothesize
what is going to be the situation when this is all over.
Obviously, one hypothesis would be that it would never be over. A smoldering civil war
into eternity, not unlike Iraq. But there are many other possibilities. I think it would
inform our discussion of current events to think what the possible outcomes might be.
And if this is in fact a game of chess between Vladimir Vladimirovich and the CIA, then
without question, both sides have thought about possible outcomes a very, very great deal.
In the chess game so far, the CIA has lost at least a rook when they failed to see the
threat to Crimea. They are playing a rook down. And they do certainly seem to be playing
desperately. What will happen?
Oh, and I do not for a moment believe a possible outcome is nuclear war. My own reason
for not believing in that, in addition to your wise and informed analyses, is that it is
not an outcome. It is an epiphenomenon akin to catching cancer. If one of the players catches
cancer, that is not the outcome of the chess game.
So what will happen?
I would add that I think that everything that is going on right now, all the activities
of the CIA, are exactly what VV desired to occur. Think Sitting Bull.
Mohamed said...
Nora said...
"VERY interesting, detailed and informative review of the situation in Iraq from the
Cultural Advisor at the US Army War College."
Dearest Nora,
ISIL or ISIS is a Tafkiri group. Means, if you don't agree with them, they will call
you a Kaffir (apostate) and then they will become God, Judge, Prosecutors, Witnesses, and
untimely the Police who will carry out the death sentence.
Al-Nusra Front is another Tafkiri group and they both (ISIL and al-Nusra) are branch
of al-Qaeda, but they both are now on each other throats calling each other Kaffirs.
Thus, what is going on in Syria and Iraq is not sectarian, but the Takkiris are against
Sunni, Shia, Christians, Kurds and/or any normal being.
So, both Obama and Putin are in cahoots. Including Iran, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt,
Qatar, UAE .... to get rid of these Tafkiris once and for all. Good luck to them. Unfortunately,
Ayatollah Sistani has been duped into it, as this is a "False Flag".
Only Turkey is resisting to join these countries. They are have still not woken up to
Mursi (Muslim Brotherhood) lose in Egypt. Thus, the capture of Turkey's Consulate in Mosul.
The reward from Obama to Putin for all this is Crimea and rest of the Ukraine as per
Putin's wishes. Plus getting rid of Russian Tafkiris at the same time too.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
Anonymous said...
Here is an interesting take on the cause of the Ukraine crisis from a Canadian ex-infantry
off icier.
the most interesting feature of this discussion is the number of people who became "immunized" to
Western propaganda (which Washington RP specialists dismissively call "Putin trolls")
President Petro Poroshenko is turning out to be nothing but a flabby pudding.
He promised he would visit eastern Ukraine as his first priority - instead he is increasing
the military stand-off.
Ukraine needs to solve its internal problems through dialogue - it is easy to start an
internal war but difficult to end once started. Look at Syria.
The US should tell the Kiev government there is no military solution available in east Ukraine.
Longasyourarm -> wimberlin, 14 June 2014 3:05am
The Kiev government should tell the US to F off and abandon their ridiculous attempts to
join the EU and be part of NATO. Who wants a bankrupt, American stooge country with strong streaks
of fascism.
They need to establish some stability and credibility on their own.
Ragneur -> wimberlin, 14 June 2014 7:35am
The evil empire know they have lost the east and are demolishing it to be as costly as possible
for Russia to rebuild. This is how they work when couping.
Blame the victims, fund the pre-trained right wing oppressors to try to brutalise the county
into submission, use the puppet leader of the country to sign agreements for evil empire companies
to financially rape said country and if its people rise up destroy it by any means possible.
Evil empire profits made, other peoples problems to rebuild. All the while trying to portray
themselves as attempting to peace keep.
This is the seminal global research documentary into the Ukraine coup. It's the blueprint
they have been using for centuries. There's also a fascinating part detailing their reactions
to losing the information war (which we didn't even know existed) to Putin the great:
The US should tell the Kiev government there is no military solution available in east Ukraine.
That is a funny suggestion. Why would the US, which is practically forcing the Ukraine government
to use "anti-terrorist operations" in the east, tell the Ukrainian government there is no military
solution available in the east?
The US doesn't care about Ukrainians, whether they are in the east of the west, they only care
about their interests. It doesn't hurt the US as long as those dying are only Ukrainians and
the country being destroyed by the current policy is Ukraine. It probably helps their cause
and that is why they are so vigorously pursuing it.
TheWindsOfFreedom wimberlin, 14 June 2014 9:49am
CIA advisor: First, you need to bomb them.
That said, they probably did not expect them to retaliate. What a president, he no longer
understand, he is paid by the taxes of these people too. Sending soldiers to risk their lives
in the fight with their brethren instead talking to them. Of course he needs to do something
about these rebels, but to drop the bombs and to fire grenades next to the homes of the armless
citizens...
Wonder how many Ukrainians still think of him as their representative. This Ukraine doesn't
seem to me as a democracy.
AMHants Ragneur, 14 June 2014 12:49pm
Thanks for posting the video. I have watched it before, but it is well worth returning to.
The articles from the Global Research Centre are also well informed, interesting and worth reading.
Is Global Research Centre a non-Government Canadian organisation? I do not know if you have
also had a look at Information Clearing House, Vineyard of the Saker, Veteran's Today amongst
others?
Helena Pigott wimberlin, 14 June 2014 2:55pm
Nobody is mentioning the human casualties, they bombing of civilians, they are using helicopters
gun ships to bring the communities in to submission. Woman and children are fleeing to the Russian
borders. Is there going to be another Syria? Perhaps the Guardian should get Mr Philips who
was the Journalist in the east to inform the west what is happing in the east of Ukraine. The
west has put all the blame on Russia, but it takes two to tango. Do not forget the third party
US/EU, do they not take some blame as well.
FrankPoster mattijoon, 14 June 2014 3:41pm
Funny that. When the right-wing US funded revolution started in Kiev the Ukrainian democratically
elected president was extremely restrained, because NATO demanded him not to respond, or else.
So NATO overthrew him anyway and now the hypocrites cry when the Russian-speaking half of the
country don't like their new, self-imposed overlords. Only a federated solution will keep Ukraine
together, otherwise the NATO-seized country will split with the east joining with Russia, inevitably,
but not Russia's plan nor fault.
zchabj5 VernonWithers, 14 June 2014 1:28am
The Kiev regime are not one amorphous blob, but a spectrum of many factions, a small part
of which is the far right, which were very involved in the coup de tat, not without the Western
Ukrainians sympathy.
Life is rarely black and white. Aand the US is not an honest broker in anything, it rarely
helps wherver it steps in, whoever it arms ends up killing many many people.
Shelling civilian areas, cutting off water into Crimea, using allegedly white phosphorous,
these things are not the actions of half decent government when faced with a large section of
their populace unhappy at their rule. Unlike ISIS or Al Nusra, they are not trying to take over
all the country.
I support neither side, just the side of scepticism at every word that comes out of a US
official's mouth.
The US population are well aware of how devious, and full of lies their government has become,
which a Yale paper describes as an oligarchy.
In short US citizens cool, US government bad, very bad.
zchabj5 senya, 14 June 2014 1:17pm
The authoritarian nature of Russian government does trouble me. Russia has had an economic
collapse since market liberalization, which has meant it has not subjgated countries all over
the world like the US, EU and IMF via their loans.
The treatment of gay people by the general Russian population which is strongly Orthodox
Christian, will change with time one hopes.
The smearing of the entire Maidan movement as fascistic is very sad and wholly untrue, though
they may have been instrumental in the actual violent acts, the overthrow did have popular support
in the West, but not the east, and all sides should acknowledge this.
Ultra Russian nationalists are equally bad as the Svoboda elements in the west of Ukraine,
to me. Any cults of supremacy always make me sad. Like the Dugins of the world or successive
US administrations constantly talking about the exceptional people or indispensable people,
or even the extreme Al Qaeda takfiri groups that view Shias as all apostates, liable for extermination.
Such supremacy always leads to violence and suppression of those deemed inferior.
BTW, it's really good to see you on the forums again.
zchabj5 senya, 14 June 2014 1:28pm
I think the EU should shoulder some blame for not allowing tripartitie EU association and
Russian talks. Such an agreement was stopped by Barroso of the EU, which seems a very sensible
comprimise to have avoided this violence.
VernonWithers, 14 June 2014 1:19am
Putin's trolls have stopped the blatant lies and now use petty excuses.
What a complete basket case of a country!
LeDingue VernonWithers, 14 June 2014 1:33am
ah... the Russian troll operation is simply pathetic compared to the widespread use of "cognitive
infiltrators" by the US and UK who always have a good few avatars on relevant threads here.
But in fairness to Russia the US and Uk do devote enormous resources to "perception management"
so you could hardly expect Russia to be able to compete.
MikePilgrim, 14 June 2014 1:23am
Obamas threat to bomb Iraq and Syria will result in Russian taking the gloves off in Ukraine.
Obama will give Russia the best excuse to resort to violence.
LeDingue MikePilgrim, 14 June 2014 1:39am
Nah, Russia has resisted the provocations to intervene thus far, despite the atrocities committed
against civilians by Kiev. There's no way they're going to suddenly decide to make that gift
to the US operational planners at this stage.
Russia is doing a good job assisting the refugees and injured though, there's several thousands
that have fled the siege and bombardment of Slavyansk. Hopefully Russia will assist the ICC
investigators when they're collating the war crimes evidence. Kiev can't be allowed to commit
atrocities against its own citizens and get away with it..
zchabj5 MikePilgrim, 14 June 2014 1:41am
The US lecturing anyone on resorting to violence, given that their Saudi puppet state and
Qatari allies have been bankrolling ISIS fro a decade and the US captured then released the
ISIS leader in 2005.
wellbeingb4dolla MikePilgrim, 14 June 2014 12:11pm
Poor Jerome Fryer was only quoting USALith.
Thus we see how hostility can start through misunderstanding.
The Eastern Ukrainians and the Kiev Government should be helped to sit down together and
TALK.
Jerome Fryer wellbeingb4dolla, 14 June 2014 2:05pm
Looks like an honest mistake.
Warmongering loonies do seem to abound whenever conflict occurs. I wonder what such people
do in real life.
The quickest way to get results by negotiation would be to pressure Kiev. A legitimate government
should seek to ensure the safety of all of its citizens, and not wage war on those who do not
consider the state to represent their interests. If sanctions are appropriate for the Syrian
regime then they should be considered here.
(Recall that NATO bombed Yugoslavia for alleged behaviour no worse than what Ukraine's government
is presently pursuing.)
YouLiar, 14 June 2014 1:31am
Those are T-64BV
Ukrainian tanks, made in Ukraine and have never been in Russia
YouLiar YouLiar, 14 June 2014 1:35am
But the media will never report that Ukrainian military crossed into Russia yesterday.
YouLiar UnevenSurface, 14 June 2014 2:00am
I don't really need to prove anything lol T-64BV is a Ukrainian tank and looks nothing like
T-64. You can google it yourself.
richie9000, 14 June 2014 1:45am
The US Wolfowitz doctrine states they must maintain their hegemony over all other nations
around the world, using its nefarious propaganda outlets to dictate public opinion and distract
the masses when necessary.
They were willing to ignite the cold war to its worst with their orchestrated coup d'etat
ion Ukraine and Washington is pulling all the strings with its endless flow of cash from the
federal reserve to pay off the corrupt Western politicians. Governments of the United Kingdom,
Canada, France, Germany, Italy and Japan are bought out and willing to support the neocon agenda
in the face of destruction.
NATO has maneuvered from Germany through Eastern Europe regardless of their promises in 1990,
the US will place its anti ballistic missiles defense on Russia's border. The United Stasi of
America believe they can win a nuclear war, not only dismantling Europe as they did with WW1
& WW2 but the world. Corporations and the Elite believe 7 billion on Earth is too many and they're
willing to risk the end of humanity to reset the game.
Ragneur richie9000, 14 June 2014 9:01am
People need to open their eyes to their bought and paid for Western Leaders. How which ever
party in charge nothing changes with policy. Pro America, pro American controlled EU, pro imperialism,
pro austerity, parroting American propaganda on any subject and countless other examples.
I'm voting UKIP. I disagree with most of his policies but I'm voting for UKIP. As long as
there is such wealth concerted in some hands democracy will always be a sham. Farage is a self
made man making him (and us) independent.
The way I see it we have a once in a generation opportunity here. So we can't allow ourselves
to be divided by left wing/right wing, pro/anti Europe and other relatively irrelevant (to the
bigger picture) differences
There's a wealth of interviews/speeches/European parliament arse kicking which I implore
all to watch on Youtube to educate yourself of this charismatic leader of men. There's nothing
more glorious than watching him lay into the people a whole continent wishes they could.
Some of the worst documentaries I've watched on the EU. So bad I bookmarked them for future
viewing:
Putin the great will take down the evil empire alone and liberate a planet. Farage the great
will do the same to the EU. He is single handedly educating the masses.
ID817744, 14 June 2014 1:54am
"Russia will claim...""
What was it Churchill said about the UK and the USA?*
'Two nations separated by a common language.' I think it was.
My my, but the speculations, guesswork and faux certainty are being pumped into Ukraine like
there was no tomorrow.
Maybe soon some 'overflow' news will begin to trickle back out, and again we will see pictures
of the city squares a-throng with jubilant democracy-junkies.
AMHants Reduced, 14 June 2014 1:09pm
1994 ABM Treaty, before NATO had expanded into Eastern Europe and at the time Russia was
promised that NATO would not move an inch closer to Russia. The same treaty that gives Russia
permission to defend her territory, dependent territories as well as the people. Again, did
that Treaty not state that Ukraine was not to be financially enticed to work against Russia?
1995 NATO bombs Bosnia, which leads to Kosovo War. 1997 NATO Russia sign an agreement, again
NATO will not go near Russia. 2001, President Bush Jnr, turns away from nuclear defensive MAD
1994 ABM Treaty, in his pursuit for the nuclear offensive First Strike Missile Shield. 2010
twelve Eastern European and Ex-Soviet Union countries have joined NATO.
NATO wants Ukraine, to place a missile shield that should America use a nuclear offensive
missile (bearing in mind they are the only country to have used plutonium bombs against citizens,
Negasaki and Hiroshima), the missile shield is 5 minutes from Russia and will be able to block
her capability to cancel out an incoming ballistic missile.
Check the Daily Star - Lebanon, 3 September 2013. Quite an interesting article concerning
missiles on their way to Damascus.
KTBFFH, 14 June 2014 2:24am
The wording used in the US statement is pretty careful in that it explicitly avoids suggesting
that Moscow is directly complicit in this shipment of arms. By the same token, the absence of
immediate and vehement Russian denials that it ever happened suggest that there has been some
local skullduggery going on that retains some elements of plausible deniability.
Most likely is that Russia has turned a blind eyes to some of its obsolete militiary hardware
going walkabout while the US has tipped them the wink that it knows perfectly well what has
happened. Since three old tanks and some rocket launchers hardly amount to much in the way of
creating a war machine, both sides have tacitly agreed that the last thing they need right now
is another major hullaballoo when they are trying to re-establish some kind of working relationship.
The cynic in me reckons that for the moment it suits both the US and Russia for Ukraine to
remain unstable. Events have not gone as planned in either Washington or Moscow so some kind
of mutually acceptable end-game is required. So the longer they keep knocking seven bells out
of each other the more amenable the factions will eventually be to whatever solution eventually
emerges from the rubble. My guess is federalisation with partition as a last resort.
"Russia will claim these tanks were taken from Ukrainian forces, but no Ukrainian tank units
have been operating in that area. We are confident that these tanks came from Russia."
Sooo, we should believe that Russia found three out-of-service tanks, that it's been destroying
since 2013 BTW, smuggled them through Ukrainian border (without being seen, there is proof that
those tanks actually crossed Russian-Ukrainian border) and all for what? That the US could blame
Russia for that?
But, no, God forbid, we should not think that might be those tanks are Ukrainian, and the
fact that that type of tanks is in active service in Ukraine and the fact that Ukraine is in
active ATO and using tanks right now, those facts are all strictly coincidental.
Also, what this article does not say is that the US admitted that actually relied on information
provided by Ukraine. But am I talking about, who can suspect Ukraine in lying!
Oilyheart Artem Rubtsov,14 June 2014 5:09am
Why not blame Russia for anything and everything. Germany was blamed for eating babies, resulting
in the Versailles Treaty.
wellbeingb4dolla Oilyheart, 14 June 2014 12:31pm
See this false testimony about Iraqi soldiers taking newborns out of incubators and leaving
them on floor to die
She was later found out to be the daughter of the Kuwaiti Ambassador to the US
richarddelightful, 14 June 2014 2:40am
I heard that two of these were sent to attack the Ukranian special forces along with 2 APCs
and 2 trucks mounting 12.7 mm HMGs. The special forces took care of the lot of them but also
lost a few men. The other one and the Grads, nobody is saying where they went.
The T64 isn't really very well able to withstand modern infantry anti tank weapons. More
of a death trap than an offensive weapon I would think.
Peter Lapso, 14 June 2014 2:50am
"A convoy of military vehicles, including three tanks, were transported from a Russian depot
into Ukraine this week, the US state department said on Friday."
How they know this? They read this blog
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/
It can be truth but also misinfo. I like The Saker but in many things it can be just subversion.
What that means? It is not provable info at all and is not come from NATO inteligence sources.
I personaly think NATO get trapped once again. Kremlin will ask proof soon. There is none
except this blog.
On other hands. It is clear that western oligarchy knows that their massmedias are piece
of scrap, worthless junk, beause they do not stand on this type of journalism which they produce
for masses
Oskar Jaeger, 14 June 2014 2:52am
Meanwhile, the situation in Irak has suddenly changed to such an extent that Iran, Russia
and USA all seem to have found themselves to be on the same side for once. Wonders will never
cease.
RudolphS Oskar Jaeger, 14 June 2014 4:23pm
Yep, isn't it ironic. The iranians must come to the aid of the US-backed iraqi president,
and to clean up the mess the yanks left behind in Iraq. Another PR black eye for Washington.
retsdon,14 June 2014 2:56am
I can't think it's that important either way. Either someone in Russia donated 3 obsolete
tanks to the cause across the border, or three old tanks were captured from/ gifted by the Ukrainian
army. From the pictures, nobody seemed to know how to drive the thing, let alone load and fire
the gun - assuming there was any ammunition.
A red herring distraction on CNN and such, from the shelling of civilians
TheNorman, 14 June 2014 3:10am
Enough of it already! The Us sold weapons to the entire world for Christ sake ( or any prophet
for that matter)! And they go on and on blaming Russia for the situation in Ukraine. I don't
suppport russian moves but please stop treating people like fools because we are getting fed
up with it! They can't hide anymore ( thanks to internet) but they go on calling any state in
there way a "rogue state". Facts? The Us (lets not forget the Uk, France and most of the so
called "western states" ie NATO) are guilty of torture, wars, massive population movements (hello
Iraq) and so on. When will you ever represent the (mostly) peaceful people who elected you?
So much hypocrisy..
Cloudcuckoolives, 14 June 2014 3:26am
I do so want to see the US choke on its own hubris. I really could not care less what the
US has to say about anything at all. The entire place is rotten from top to bottom.
My advice to them would be to go home, stay home and evolve for a thousand years....then
get back to us. Maybe two thousand?
Robert Sandlin misanthropicus, 14 June 2014 7:44am
I know you think by that stupidity you gain some kind of points.But in the real world you
don't.Russia doesn't need any other country to support them.Though they have far more support
than you claim,China in particular.But Russia has materials the world wants and needs.They feed
themselves.They can if they choose product almost anything produced anywhere in the world.And
what they can't or don't want to,China or India can sell them.They have enormous military power.And
could and surely would,defeat any invasion attack by NATO forces.And retaliate with the full
force of their nuclear weapons.Turning you and your homeland into fiery ash.The US seems to
think this is some popularity contest and the more lies and propaganda they put out the better
for them.But people here and throughout most of the world aren't buying it anymore.It looks
like in a day or two the gas for Ukraine is going to be cut.And with the pipelines in other
parts of Europe the Europeans will get by until September with that.And if the EU ships gas
to Ukraine so will they.But from September on,it will be crunch time.Either Ukraine will get
off the high-horse and make the deal.Or they and the EU will begin to freeze,and their economies
crack.Now for some reason,that seems to concern the Russians.They don't want that to happen.Me
personally,thinks its a great idea.You messed with the bear you need to feel the claws so you
never do it again.But I guess they have a soft spot,that I'm missing.If Russia wanted to (and
should) they could send dozens of ta help the East.But t
hey haven't and sadly,probably won't.With those weapons the East could defeat the rag-tag bully
boys the Ukraine calls a military and liberate the whole of Ukraine from the neo-nazis and end this
mess.So I keep hoping Russia will change its mind and help.I figure we are doomed to endure this
for a while instead,however it ends.
Steve Ennever, 14 June 2014 3:39am
The T-64's came from Russia. This is what we hear from the same lips that told us Saddam
had weapons of mass destruction.
OK, well...The Ukraine army has T-64's and as yet, or should I say, as usual the Americans provide
no proof whatsoever for this claim.
But I think there's a much more poignant question to be asked here...
WHAT THE HELL HAS IT GOT TO DO WITH AMERICA?????
Ragneur Matthew Moss, 14 June 2014 10:31am
US Claims "Video Evidence" Shows Russia Providing Tanks To Rebels In Ukraine
Tyler Durden's pictureSubmitted by Tyler Durden on 06/13/2014 17:02 -0400
While the atrocious videos of ISIS killing civilians show the worst of human extremism in
action, it seems the US wants to keep the message alive and well that Putin is still a very
bad man (thanks to YouTube). Claiming "internet video" evidence, NY Times reports, the US State
Department confirmed on Friday that Russia has sent tanks and other heavy weapons to separatists
in Ukraine. "This is unacceptable," Marie Harf exclaimed, "Russia will claim these tanks were
taken from Ukrainian forces...we are confident that these tanks came from Russia." There will
be "additional costs," she added.
Via NY Times,
The State Department confirmed on Friday that Russia has sent tanks and other heavy weapons
to separatists in Ukraine.
A convoy of three T-64 tanks, several BM-21 "Grad" multiple rocket launchers and other military
vehicles crossed the border near the Ukrainian town of Snizhne, State Department officials said.
Reports and images of the weapons' presence circulated on Thursday, but there were conflicting
claims about where they had come from.
"This is unacceptable," said Marie Harf, the deputy State Department spokeswoman. "A failure
by Russia to de-escalate this situation will lead to additional costs."
...
"Russia will claim these tanks were taken from Ukrainian forces, but no Ukrainian tank units
have been operating in that area," the State Department said Friday afternoon. "We are confident
that these tanks came from Russia."
"We also have information that Russia has accumulated multiple rocket launchers at this same
deployment site in southwest Russia, and these rocket launchers also recently departed," the
State Department added. "Internet video has shown what we believe to be these same rocket launchers
traveling through Luhansk."
Distract... focus on what is really important...
to see a graph of how the ruble has increased relative to the dollar since the sanctions
began. The world finally having a person to unite against the evil empire under?
Allseeingguy, 14 June 2014 4:12am
I'm really not sure what to make of all this sometimes. It's clear that disinformation is
being flooded in from both sides.
I am not a "Putinbot", I am from Britain but more often than not find myself siding with
Russia on this. We lost the right to look down our noses at anyone after Afghanistan and Iraq,
let alone Libya.
The Ukraine are not part of the EU, or NATO and when given the chance have voted to side
with Russia. Isn't that how that wonderful idea "democracy" that we're constantly trying to
impose on everyone supposed to work? I can't see any reason for this to be any of our concern
other than money.
We get told by our politicians that there's no money to spend on basic things like schools
and hospitals, yet there's seems to be some sort of money cheat they can use for stuff like
this. How much have we wasted on backing these idiots?
Given that both sides have enough weapons to wipe out the entire planet, it worries me that
our politicians are so happy to push us to the brink. Maybe they're afraid of the consequences
of not reading from the USA's script, but history has shown that the US only has allies when
it suits them.
Huggorm, 14 June 2014 4:24am
Who really cares what the USA has to say. This is none of their business.
All the rest of us can see is that the US is up to something yet again, playing their little
games.
How many armed convoys and tanks does America drive into other nations? How many American
military Drone aircraft invade other nations and kill people they dont like?
The main issue is that the US sees everywhere on the planet as its own, a bit of a problem
really for the rest of the world.
Ragneur Huggorm, 14 June 2014 10:46am
Global Research Editor's Note
This important analysis and review of US military might by distinguished Canadian geographer
Professor Jules Dufour and CRG Research Associate was first published by Global Research in
2007.
US military presence expanded around the World has expanded dramatically in the course of
the last five years. This study is largely based on data for the period 2001-2005.
Good for Russia to defend the east. Otherwise, the east would be flattened by Ukrainian white
phosphorus bombs.
USALith Bavony, 14 June 2014 4:32am
Your propoganda didnt work during a Soviet times, so what makes you think it will now?
Bavony USALith, 14 June 2014 4:39am
You should read mainstream media alternatives. There are videos on white phosphorus bomb
from Ukraine. Just search the net and youtube. P bomb is distinguishable by virtue of the chemistry
of phosphorus. If you want to say that I'm lying, prove it.
Lovecake, 14 June 2014 4:30am
3 tanks crossed the border we have it all over the news. Ukrainian army using heavy artillery
and white phosphor ...guardian do not bother even to mention.
Seriously I understand Americans bought revolution for few 1-2 billion or something like
10-15$ per ukrainian head... cheap but their politics never negotiate then someone pays.
But worse part that Obama and Co. did it in Europe we suppose to be allies or something I
understand more mess is in Europe better it is for American financial domination.....really
friendly gesture.
And for whose who still talk about democracy...especially american democracy just have a
look on Syria, Iraq, Afganistan and many other ..... Americans are crookes only thing they bring
is blood and slavery but it have very sweet name "American Democracy".
lesnouveauxpauvre, 14 June 2014 4:31am
The late Dr. Wernher Von Braun's 1976 warning that …after the fake war on terror, the US
government will fake an attack from outer space…As America's Shadow govt weapons and computer
technology explodes, we WILL see an 'alien attack', with some sort of pulse-beam, laser, or
scalar weapon used to kill more innocent-but-gullible-and- Americans + the world,so everyone
will panic and beg the government to save them.
Von Braun knows what he is talking about and whistleblowed the truth about America before
he died in 1976. His prophetic words are haunting in retrospect. A brilliant but sociopathic
mind who was used by America to build it's space program.
"In the closing days of the war, von Braun and a group of his rocket scientists surrendered
to American forces. Although he had been a member of the German SS and had used slave labor
at Mittelwerk, the Nazi underground rocket facility, von Braun and his colleagues were embraced
by the United States government and began working for the Army on rocket technology. In 1960,
von Braun became the first director of NASA's new Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville,
Alabama. During his 10-year stint at Marshall, von Braun spearheaded the development of the
Saturn rockets, including the Saturn V rocket that launched the crew of Apollo 11 toward their
historic landing on the moon".
Von Braun died on June 16, 1977.
Kal El, 14 June 2014 5:02am
3 tanks, yet Ukraine has freely admitted its forces crossed into Russia near Rostov on Don
because they were surrounded by anti-kiev forces, and wanted to rendezvous with the rest of
their unit who were elsewhere.
One of their APC's broke down and is still in Russia. Absolutely no mention (or condemnation)
of all this from the state department.
borisbadenough Kal El, 14 June 2014 5:09am
Ah, don't get your panties in a twist. The State Dept is busy with a Stratego tourney. They'll
get around to it.
WatchEm, 14 June 2014 6:43am
A convoy of military vehicles, including three tanks, were transported from a Russian depot
into Ukraine this week, the US state department said on Friday.
The "US state department"??? Is this the same "state department" who "warn", "threat" and
systematically lie on a daily basis??
Is it the same "state department" who troll their way around the world looking for turmoil
and hoping they can use it to their advantage?? Is it the same "state department" who claimed
that their helicopters were not involved in an shooting incident which killed several innocent
people in Honduras?? Is it the same "state department" who sat in the UN and blatantly lied
about WMD in Iraq?? Is it the same "state department" who requested extra funding to pay "sock
puppets" to lie for them?? It is the same "state department" who lied, as is the inbred custom,
that "Saddam Hussein bakes babies in the desert"??
If so, try and get a cure for sickness in the head - it's obviously a severe infliction -
and don't be so backward to expect the world to believe anything you spew forth. Have a nice
day John...
lids, 14 June 2014 7:00am
Tragic for the troops in the transport plane. This is quickly turning into a full scale war.
It is worth mentioning one thing though. Back in the day when Russian forces occupied occupied
Afghanistan a proxy war was going on between UK/US and Russia. The mission was to supply Afghan
Muj with MANPADS and teach them how to use these missiles. In those days russian troops did
several months in country before being rotated out for well earned rest at home in russia. During
the tuition phase, allegedly, western specialist troops would teach the Muj about the importance
of psychological warfare. So, they'd (allegedly) sit and watch a larhet transport plane come
in and land with a contingent of brand new troops and on turn round, with an aircraft full of
tour ex, russian troops desperate to get home after completing their tours, promptly shoot it
down.
Tragic and very effective. My mind wonders back to Afghanistan and our own involvement in
this proxy war. History never repeats but it does rhyme...
Lord Tyrion lids, 14 June 2014 7:07am
That being said, the anti-fascists do not have the luxury to return home for resting,
their homes are being targetted,
and they are trying to defend them from fascists, neo-nazis and mercenaries,
so they need all the help that they can get.
etatsunique, 14 June 2014 7:03am
I dunno. Putin has warned Portoshenko hundreds of times to call off his armored dogs in the
East. Now we hear about Russian tanks darting back and forth across the grenze. We know there
are scores of Iskander on the Russian side.
Wonder what is driving Poroshenko to challenge Putin's juggernaut?
Does the name Nuland ring a bell?
christopher22, 14 June 2014 7:06am
Another western media distraction to the real story
Ukraine owes Russia $4bn in unpaid gas bills
Negotiations have collapsed because the Kiev thugs 'demand' gas at a lower price than all the
other European customers ( a discounted price they were granted under the previous administration)
Now who is advising them in this course of action and why ?
Step forward the USA of course -- in their desperation to set Europe against Russia (while they
hold the coats) the Americans are quite prepared to have gas turned off to those European countries
being served by the Ukraine pipeline. (thereby blaming Russia for denying service to those countries
and all the cold and starving children)
I can hear the Washington press briefings already
Can we have some balanced reporting instead of this BS propaganda? Ukrainian tanks were captured
by anti-Kiev self-defense forces. Yet without evidence you claim they were supplied from Russia.
Why is western society deaf and silent about civil casualties in the eastern Ukraine and
multitude war crimes committed by this CIA-installed fascist-oligarchical Kiev regime?
without evidence you claim they were supplied from Russia.
The Guardian is "all seeing" and "all knowing"...
They take their cues from Jen Psaki... LOL.
Chironomo, 14 June 2014 7:41am
"cynically and perfidiously" shot down the plane
I guess the Ukrainians have a learnt a thing or two about propaganda from their US masters.
What should they have done? Waited for them to land and start attacking them?
Reminds me of yanky slogans like "illegal combatants" or "the cowardly act of suicide bombing".
LMAO
juster, 14 June 2014 9:31am
Another example of the UA basically defeating themselves.
You've got a surrounded airport with opposing forces claiming air control warning they will
shoot down any landing aircraft. So you decide to load up your largest and slowest transport
plane and send it to that airfield. That's brilliant, just brilliant. Those troops were dead
when they boarded the bird and what killed them was another example of Ukrainian leadership
idiocy.
jonsid juster, 14 June 2014 9:36am
Well they are being trained by Americans now. Thinking's never really been their strength.
Kal El, 14 June 2014 9:33am
Hmm, with so many Ukrainians on both sides killed it would be fair to say that the new President's
first week in charge has not gone well at all.
ID7340157 Kal El, 14 June 2014 9:43am
Heard of chocolate fire guards, teapots and soldiers. Now the west has its own chocolate
president. Looks like a stooge.
Amazing, a comment about a false flag got censored, so let us watch out, this false flag must
be indeed imminent if it gets removed, as why remove a prediction of it is blatantly inaccurate.
Now who is controlling who?
I will not re-include the comment as it will be probably censored again, but will redirect
to the source:
"I am convinced that the most essential partner for the American national security in all of
these areas from Iran to Syria, Afghanistan and beyond is the Kremlin, currently occupied by Putin.
And the way the United States has treated Putin – I would call it a betrayal of American national interest."
Historical analogies may be inaccurate, but Americans may need to look at their own civil war
and compare it to what is happening in Ukraine now. Today the US supports a murderous criminal adventure
that has little to do with unifying the country.
This assessment came from Professor Stephen Cohen, prominent US scholar of Russian studies and
author, who advised George H.W. Bush in the late 1980s. He spoke to RT about the mistakes of the
consecutive American administrations in their Russia policies, the worst crisis in decades that
they led to and the deterioration of political discourse in America that prevents things from changing
in Washington.
Cohen challenged the narrative of the Ukrainian events dominating in the US, calling the military
crackdown by the government an "unwise, reckless, murderous, inhuman campaign that Kiev is conduction
against what are admittedly rebel provinces."
"Lincoln never called the Confederacy terrorists," the scholar pointed out. "He
always said, no matter how bad the civil war was, fellow citizens he wanted to come back to the
union. Why is Kiev calling its own citizens terrorists? They are rebels. They are protesters. They
have a political agenda. Why isn't Kiev sending a delegation there to negotiate with them?
"Their demands are not unreasonable. They want to elect their own governors – we elect our
own governors. They want a say on where their taxes go – 'no taxation without representation.' We
know what that is," Cohen said. "There are extremists among them, but there are also people
who simply want to live in a Ukraine that is for everybody. And instead the Kiev army, with the
full support of the United States, is supporting this assault."
'Kremlin an essential ally Washington pushes away'
What the US doing with Ukraine now is alienating arguably the best potential ally it has now,
Cohen said.
"I am convinced that the most essential partner for the American national security in all
of these areas from Iran to Syria, Afghanistan and beyond is the Kremlin, currently occupied by
Putin. And the way the United States has treated Putin – I would call it a betrayal of American
national interest."
Russia helped the Obama administration save its face in Syria, where the president was pushed
into bombing the country over chemical weapons. It helped make bridges with the new leadership of
Iran to start the first serious negotiations in decades.
"Obama had within his grasp at last – because it was a failed foreign policy presidency for
Obama – two achievements that would have been in American national interest. And they have slipped
away almost in proportion to the degree that Obama pushed Putin away. Pushed Putin away so far that
over Ukraine we [the US] could be on the verge of war with Russia."
Cohen blames the US, particularly the Clinton administration for setting the world on a path
that led it to the current confrontation between the West and Russia.
"This is the playing out of American policy of expanding NATO to Russia's borders – for whatever
reasons. It began with Clinton, was continued under the second George Bush, has been pushed by Obama.
And that is the rooster that has come home to roost."
"Some people in the 1990s… warned that this was going to happen. Now that it has, and the
people would not take responsibility for it," he said. "They would not say 'OK, we were
wrong, we have to rethink policy.' Instead they say to people such as myself, 'You are an apologist
for Putin. You are serving the Kremlin, you are not a patriot.'"
'Obama isolated himself on foreign policy'
This lack of ability to change policies is evident in the current administration, the scholar
believes.
"I had lunch with two men much older than me, who had served many presidents and who've known
them personally. And they were agreed that this president more than anyone in their lifetime isolated
himself on foreign policy."
One anecdotal example Cohen cited is Obama's refusal to talk to former Secretary of State Henry
Kissinger.
"I have heard – whether it's true or not I don't know – that President Obama has declined
to meet privately with Henry Kissinger, who sees Putin twice a year. Kissinger probably knows Putin
better than any American statesmen alive today and who has been consulted by so many presidents.
Think what we might about Kissinger's past, but he has already declared his criticism of American
policy towards Russia. And Obama wouldn't want to spend an hour with him, asking 'Are we doing something
wrong? Are we misperceiving the situation?'"
It's no surprise that a leader, who doesn't take into account various viewpoint on a problem
cannot take a rational decision on tackling it, Cohen said.
"I ask for a president to be a person, who solicits the best and most diverse learned views
involving an existing crisis, that's all… A president has to bring in people with conflicting views
whose legitimacy is based on their knowledge, their learning. A president who doesn't do that is
going to get us into a crisis that Obama and Clinton got us into."
'The only way to break orthodoxy is with heresy'
Unfortunately for America, it's not only the White house that discourages debate now, but also
American society in general, the professor said.
"There is no debate of public opposition in this country about this, unlike the situation
20-25 years ago, when we had real debates and public fights," he said. "I don't know if
they [the mainstream media – RT] know the truth and therefore are not telling the truth, or that
they are just caught up in the myths that had been attached to Russia since the end of the Soviet
Union."
"An orthodoxy about Russia has formed in this country over 20 years," he added.
"And it's not only wrong, it's reckless. It led us to this crisis in Ukraine… The only way you can
break orthodoxy is with heresy. Some of the things I say are regarded as heretical, treasonous,
unpatriotic. But heresy is a good thing, when it's needed."
This situation is a sharp contrast to what happens in some other democracies, which don't hush
a public debate on foreign policy issues and don't try to push opinions not liked by the political
establishment into the 'fringe press'.
"Germany, a relatively new democracy with a past as bad as Russia's, could develop a democracy,
where people can speak openly and feely without fear of failing to get a promotion or getting on
an op-ed page. Two of three former German chancellors have blamed Europe for the crisis in Ukraine
– not Russia."
"Where are our former presidents? We know why President Clinton wouldn't speak out, because
he began that policy. But where is President Carter? Where are the former secretaries of state who
pursued other policies? Why the silence? We've developed, I fear, a political culture within the
establishment that is conformist. Even though the penalty of dissent in our country is cheap, unlike
in many other countries."
As a contributing author to the pre-nomination book by Webster Tarpley, "Obama: The Postmodern
Coup - The Making of a Manchurian Candidate," I am uniquely disappointed to watch that book's warning
- that the election of Barack Obama would lead the world to war against Russia and China - unfolding
in our present time.
The fact of the matter is that President Putin, Russia and China are not threats to the United
States, but that we have become a threat to ourselves. In a betrayal of our own national mission,
we have adopted the economic program of our enemy, British "free trade," monetarism and militarism,
and rejected the American system of political economy (to use Henry Clay's term) of internal improvements,
and protection of agriculture and industry.
The threat Russia and China pose is not to the people of the United States, but to our bankrupt
financial system, typified by Wall Street, which has hijacked our national economic policy, our
political parties and our major media organs. In writing "Obama: The Postmodern Coup," we knew that
a financial crisis triggered by the collapse of a quadrillion dollar derivatives bubble was looming,
and that Wall Street would push a candidate to serve its desperate interests, and not a true national
leader in the mold of FDR or JFK we sorely need.
On learning that Zbigniew Brzezinski served as a senior campaign adviser to candidate Obama,
the strategy of this administration became clear. In contrast to the Mideast-oriented outlook of
the neo-cons, the grand chessboard of Brzezinski has always been about ruling the world through
controlling Moscow and Beijing, a fact known too well by Putin.
It was also understood that the modus operandi for this would not be the overt war of the neo-cons,
but covert operations, such as "color revolutions" like the neo-Nazi overthrow of Ukraine, financed
with $5 billion from the State Department and billions more from Wall Street cut-outs like financier
George Soros's International Renaissance Foundation.
Infamously, it was Brzezinski under Carter who in essence launched al-Qaida in Afghanistan to
lure the Soviets into a trap. More recently, it was Brzezinski who pushed the Bush administration
to give asylum to Chechen terrorist asset Ilyas Akhmadov, still on the State Department payroll,
which Pravda declared to be like Russia giving asylum to Osama bin Laden. So much for the war on
terror! Indeed, Putin would state, "We can not have double standards when fighting terrorism, and
it cannot be used as a geopolitical game."
Obama, following the Brzezinski script, is playing the "Great Game" of British imperialism, utilizing
perpetual war to control the world, as is the case with the war against Libya, Syria and now the
Ukraine. For Bush it was "bombs away." For "leftist" Obama it's color revolution, tribal terror
proxies, asymmetrical warfare, regime change - and if all else fails the type of direct bombing
visited upon Libya.
Thank God so many Americans said no to a planned attack on Syria predicated upon a faked poison
gas story, and that some in Congress were willing to impeach Obama, or this game might by now have
moved to the brink of thermonuclear confrontation.
"But," some protest, "Putin jailed Pussy Riot - he's a tyrant!" Well, if a group of Wall Street-funded
"artists" were filming their group orgies or masturbation with frozen chicken parts at the Rutland
Hannaford, some leftists might have a different view.
Of course, Rutland is in the same situation as Russia when it comes to the flood of heroin. Most
comes from Afghanistan under U.S. and British oversight. Perhaps Gov. Peter Shumlin should join
with Russia's call to have the poppy fields destroyed. Drugs are big money, and big money needs
laundering, which takes big banks, and is easy to hide with the quadrillion dollar derivatives market
swirling around.
And this is the point. The central choice we have to make as citizens is about our own economic
system. The reason the American Revolution and Civil War were fought was to free America from the
bondage of the British free trade economic model and to institute what became known as the American
system of political economy, based on public control of money and credit, massive infrastructure
projects, and the protection of manufacturing through tariffs.
Today we know "free trade" has not worked, yet the political system remains silent. Even the
new black solar billboards around the state are certainly not made in America, but with cheap labor,
because both parties sold the American worker and manufacturing out. Russia and China know better.
We let cheap Chinese goods cross our border tax-free, but the Chinese auto industry keeps out Fords
and Chevys with a 25 percent import tariff.
If it were not for Russia, the Union may have lost the Civil War. Yes, few know the fact that
Russia pledged its fleet with an implicit threat to attack the British should it intervene to stop
the Union blockade of the "free trade" confederacy. Russia was America's friend in our war against
imperialism, in our war against slavery, and in the war against fascism. Today, they can be our
friend in economic development. We should learn to recognize a friend when we see one.
A few years back, Vermonters did call for the impeachment of President Bush, but I am afraid
the principle of that call has been betrayed by politics, racism, and consent to the treason of
our elected officials. Something must be done, to prevent the spark that could send the ICBMs flying,
to prevent another president from inheriting this dictatorship, and to bring our nation and the
world back from the brink.
Chairmen of the State Duma Committee on international Affairs Alexei Pushkov has accused the Prime
Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk in the intentional derailing of negotiations about gas prices,
so that the USA were able to recreate the atmosphere of the cold war.
"As a puppet of the USA, Yatsenyuk consciously leads to derailing of gas price negotiations.
I think both Europe and Ukraine will lose from such a behaviour "
It isn't too surprising that the US refuses to even look into the fact that the government in
Kiev is responsible for committing atrocities against civilians in eastern Ukraine, said Michael
Hughes, a Washington D.C.-based journalist and foreign policy analyst.
"The administration and State Department continue to redefine reality on the ground to justify
their actions in installing a fascist-dominated regime," Hughes told RIA Novosti Monday.
"In addition, they are adhering to the narrative that Russia is behind all of the instability
in order to implement counterproductive sanctions against key Russian officials," he asserted.
Despite the calls of the new Ukrainian president for a ceasefire, the Ukrainian army continues
to shell the cities in Eastern Ukraine.
Kiev authorities have been conducting this special military operation in the Eastern Ukraine
to suppress the pro-independence movement since mid-April. The violence intensified after the Luhansk
and Donetsk People's Republics declared independence from Ukraine in May. Hundreds have died in
both regions over the past months.
The new round of violence in Eastern Ukraine is in contradiction with Petro Poroshenko's promise
to end violence, says American journalist in France, Diana Johnstone.
"Obviously, ongoing military assaults on Slaviansk are in total contradiction with Mr Poroshenko's
promise to end violence," Johnstone told RIA Novosti in response to reports of Ukrainian army shelling
resuming in Slaviansk.
"The die has been cast and Russophobes in Washington have won out, yet again, and are steering
American policy. So we can expect the government and American media to downplay the mess we've made
all because we chose to interfere in a region in which we have no legitimate interests," Hughes
concluded.
In a telegram to the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv in the Department of state on April 28, 2006 published
by Wikileaks, Poroshenko was was called to be an insider of the party "Our Ukraine", but American
diplomats questioned the truthfulness of the information provided by him, RIA "Novosti" reports.
"Poroshenko complained that she cannot be trusted, and said that she was not honest and principled"
In particular, they suspected Poroshenko in the intrigues order to arrest associate Yulia Tymoshenko,
Oleksandr Turchynov, which was the predecessor Poroshenko for the post of the acting President of
Ukraine.
Poroshenko was elected to Parliament in March 2006 on the list of the electoral bloc "Our Ukraine"
President Victor Yushchenko. At this time there were negotiations about creation of the government
of the "orange coalition", and between "Our Ukraine" and Yulia Tymoshenko bloc (BYUT), there have
been serious tensions that eventually left them without representation in the government. In August
2006, the "anti-crisis coalition" formed a government headed by Viktor Yanukovych.
In the Wikileaks document describes a meeting of Ambassador Herbst with Poroshenko 28 April 2006
at the U.S. Embassy, during which the Ambassador was interested in the differences of "Our Ukraine"
and BYUT, in particular, information about what Poroshenko sought the arrest of a close ally
Tymoshenko Oleksandr Turchynov." the meeting on 28 April with the Ambassador of the insider
"Our Ukraine (NU) Petro Poroshenko denied that he was behind the recent decision of the Prosecutor
General Oleksandr Medvedko to issue a warrant for the arrest of the Tymoshenko Deputy Oleksandr
Turchynov," the telegram states.
"Poroshenko protested, saying that he had no motive to put pressure on Turchynov," according
to a document. During the meeting Poroshenko also shared details of his conversation with Yulia
Tymoshenko said, where she was offered to create a government of Our Ukraine-BYUT, but then refused
the idea.
Poroshenko said that demanded Tymoshenko to be more flexible and less rigid" in the coalition
negotiations. "Poroshenko complained that she cannot be trusted, and said that she was not honest
and principled," reads the document. Poroshenko said that progress in the formation of the "orange"
ruling coalition yet, but expressed his "90-percent confidence" that the coalition of "orange" party
with Viktor Yanukovych Party of Regions will not happen.
Telegram shows that the US Embassy accepted the information Poroshenko with doubt. "As in many
cases, when we hear about the motivations, goals, characters, etc. the "other side" in the coalition
negotiations majority statements Poroshenko on his salatom the enemy Tymoshenko and his protest
with a Declaration of innocence regarding the measures of the Prosecutor General against the Deputy
Tymoshenko Oleksandr Turchynov should be taken with great skepticism, even more than in other cases",
the author writes telegrams.
Noting that evidence does not exist, the U.S. Embassy is still suspected Poroshenko in the effort
to create a coalition with the Party of Regions", and that, according to the Ambassador, he was
not exactly a reliable source.
"None of those who committed and commit crimes in the South-East of Ukraine will get away from the
deserved retribution. We'll get them even, as stated in the Declaration of 1943 the allied States,
even from the bottom of the ocean, and they will sooner or later, face the moral, political, and
criminal responsibility for the acts that they commit today against the people of Ukraine", - quotes
ITAR-TASS statement Bastrykin during his speech at a meeting of the Foundation for military leaders
and naval commanders on the occasion of the 120th anniversary of Marshal Fedor Ivanovich Tolbukhin.
The head of the Investigative Committee opened a criminal case on the facts of crimes of an international
nature in the South-East of Ukraine and created a special Department for investigation.
"We will be guided not only criminal law but the norms of international law, which gives us the
legal and moral right to pursue every member of the Ukrainian army, every commander, every commander,
if you can call it generals and officers of the tanks and installations "Hailstones" firing on civilians,"
said Bastrykin.
"This is an unprecedented event in the history of the wars of man, when the aircraft bombed hospitals,
children's and maternity hospitals, civilians only for the fact that people want to be heard, I
want to Express their opinion about what is happening regarding the future of themselves and their
children and grandchildren," he stressed.
He also reminded that Russia has initiated a number of criminal cases, including against the
head of the organization "Right branch" Dmitry Yarosh (and "he declared in the international search"),
as well as against members of UNA-UNSO.
"Depending on the role of each of them, they are suspected of committing crimes, envisaged not only
criminal law but the norms of international law". In particular, noticed Bastrykin, "conclusively
established "that a number of these persons participated in combat actions during the events in
Chechnya on the side of the militants.
"These facts are documented. But this is only the beginning of the history of the investigation.
Today we document, including by means of space technology, everything that happens in Ukraine. Together
with special services and law enforcement authorities, we will work as long as each from the ordinary
soldier of the Ukrainian army and to top executives, including Avakov, will not appear before international
justice," said Bastrykin.
Recall that on 4 June it became known that the Investigative Committee of Russia created special
unit for investigation of crimes of an international character against civilians, committed on the
territory of Ukraine.
The office already investigated a number of criminal cases involving crimes against the Ukrainian
and Russian citizens on the territory of Ukraine. In particular, the investigated criminal cases
against members of UNA-UNSO - Mazur, Period, Yarosha, Korchinsky, brothers Tyagnibok, Hominy and
others, on the fact of the injured Russian journalist Russia Today, Ukraine and others.
In addition, the Investigative Committee of Russia intends to receive from independent sources
data from satellites of different countries, showing the pattern of destruction, their number and
locations of the Ukrainian military formations.
With regard to persons involved in crimes against the civilian population, the IC of Russia intends
to bring to criminal responsibility to both the government officials and the military commanders
is directly involved in punitive operations, as well as to persons who gave orders and funding to
killings of civilians. In this regard, the Investigative Committee of Russia intends to give a legal
assessment of the actions Arsen Avakov, Igor Kolomoisky and other.
Here is an eyewitness report of the violence that the Washington-backed government in Kiev is
inflicting on those protesting against the anti-Russian regime that Washington has installed in
Kiev. This is not information you will hear from the presstitute media or from "your" government.
You can ask, "Who is this reporter? How do we know we can believe him," or you can say, "We know
that we cannot believe "our" government and its presstitute media, so let's give the reporter the
benefit of the doubt."
The reporter uses the German word Untermenschen, which means "under men" or lesser beings. The
Nazis applied this term to most of humanity, while referring to Germans as Ubermenchen which means,
in effect, overlords or superior men.
The US neoconservative ideology parallels the Nazi ideology.
Americans are the Exceptional People, the Indispensable People. Everyone
else is unexceptional and dispensable. Apparently the American people are convinced of
their worthiness over others. Perhaps this is why there is no remorse over the millions of Untermenschen
that Washington has murdered, maimed, and displaced in seven countries so far in the 21st century.
Untermenschen. That is what we are in the eyes of The West. Untermenschen. Subhumans.
I have watched the unfolding coup d'etat in Ukraine from it's very beginning in late November
2013 in Kiev. I have watched a steady stream of western dignitaries and politicians parade through
Maidan Square in Kiev, each and every one of them publicly and vocally expressing their open support
of the coup d'etat. I find it appalling that the sitting ambassador of the United States of America
to the Sovereign Country of Ukraine, Geoffrey R. Pyatt, actively and publicly supported a violent
coup d'etat against the sitting and legally elected government of Ukraine and to this day actively
and publicly expresses open support for the illegal coup d'etat installed government in Kiev.
On 01 December 2013 my wife and I watched the Right Sector and Svoboda Party operatives attempt
to take the Presidential Administration Building on Bankhova Street in Kiev under the active and
visible command of Vitaly Klitchko and Petro Poroshenko, two sitting deputats of the Ukraine Rada
(parliament). After that 3 hour riot ended with Bankhova Street being finally cleared by Berkut
riot police who were under orders to not go beyond the end of Bankhova Street, I told my wife President
Yanukovich would lose against the coup d'etat. She told me I was crazy. 2 1/2 months later we were
shoveling sand in to bags in the middle of the night at the new block post just above Belbek Aerodrome
as our Self Defense Forces in Sevastopol and Krimea built and manned block posts at the Krim/Ukraine
border and the 5 roads in to Sevastopol. The victors of the Maidan coup d'etat, Oleg Tyagnibok (a
sitting deputat of Ukraine Rada) and Dmitro Yarush, leaders of Svoboda Party and Right Sector Party
respectively, had stated, during a live interview on Channel 5 TV in Kiev on 27 February 2014, that
they were going to lead their combined 5500 fighters from Miadan down to Krim and Sevastopol and
'kill every Russian there' combined with 'we will put every Russian in Krim to the knife'. We took
them seriously and we knew they were heavily armed with AK 47′s and RPGs, clearly seen in videos
of the end and aftermath of the coup in Maidan. Those first two days and nights on the barricades
we had only clubs for most of us.
Long story short, we seized our two governments from the Kiev appointed administrators, formed
new governments for Sevastopol and the Autonomous Republic of Krimea and shortly thereafter activated
a treaty signed with Russia in 1993 wherein Russia guaranteed the safety of the Autonomous Republic
of Krimea and the City of Sevastopol. Russia honored that treaty and 3 days later the Russian Army
arrived to protect us from the coup government in Kiev. The screams from The West were heard all
the way to Mars. The screams were heard in the Andromeda Galaxy when we voted to join the Russian
Federation and were excepted in to the RF.
Shortly after the coup d'etat in Kiev several eastern and southern oblasti (districts) in Ukraine
expressed dissatisfaction with the 'new' illegal government installed in Kiev. Right Sector operatives
immediately began to infiltrate in to those oblasti. Demonstrations turned sometimes violent and
people died.
On 02 May there was a football match in Odessa on the south coast of Ukraine. We all know what
happened in Odessa with the massacre of the anti Kiev demonstrators, unarmed demonstrators, in and
around the Labor Union Building in Odessa as they were beaten, shot and burned to death. What you
don't know is the true number of dead that day and evening. 297 anti Kiev demonstrators AND innocents
died that day. Over 50 were in hospital. Some of those who jumped from the entrance hall stairway
at the fourth and fifth floor levels were beaten to death as they lay on the ground. Others were
made to crawl away, severely injured, and were kicked and beaten as they crawled to the pile of
wounded.
To this day not a single western government that I am aware of has expressed the slightest sympathy
or condolences for any of the wounded or dead in Odessa. The overriding comments from what little
was said about Odessa in The West was the fact that the 'anti kiev activists and agents' accidently
set the building on fire as they were throwing molotov cocktails at the football fans around the
building. Why should they care? After all, the men, women, and yes, two children, who died in the
massacre are Untermenschen. WE are Untermenschen.
In the weeks before and after the massacre in Odessa the situation came to a head in Donetsk
Oblast and Lugansk Oblast. Both declared their indendence from Ukraine and set up their own governments.
The West screamed bloody murder as they are wont to do with their double standard and blamed everything
on Russia and Mr. Putin including the drought in Mexico and the outbreak of teenaged acne in Australia.
The two oblasti set up self defense units as Kiev mobilized their army and formed a large 'national
guard' unit from Right Sector fighters from Maidan and western and central Ukraine. On 9 May there
was a massacre in the city of Mariupol in Donetsk Oblast, now the Donbas Peoples Republic. Over
100 unarmed citizens and Militsiya (police) were shot down, often right on live camera. Yes, many
of the citizens were screaming great obscenities at the Right Sector unit that entered the city.
The police where slaughtered in their headquarters for being 'disloyal' to Kiev Government. Some
were burned alive, handcuffed, in the police headquarters as it was burned by the Right Sector unit.
To this day not a single western government that I am aware of has expressed the slightest sympathy
or expressed condolences for the murdered men and women in Mariupol. After all, the dead citizens
are Untermenschen. WE are Untermenschen.
In the following days and weeks the Ukraine Army began to bombard villages, towns and cities
starting with Slavyansk in Donbas. The first 'bombardment' was one single 82mm mortar round. With
no reaction from either The West or Russia, the next day a heavy bombardment ocurred. In the days
after the first heavy bombardments the toll of wounded, dead, maimed civilians mounted as the artillery
was fired at patently civilian areas, we call them 'living areas'. Over 100 civilians have died
in the last two weeks. A like number were wounded.
To this day not a single western government that I am aware of has expressed the slightest sympathy
or expressed condolences for the murdered men and women and children in Donbas nor has a single
western government asked Kiev to cease the bombardments. After all, the dead citizens are Untermenschen.
WE are Untermenschen.
Yesterday, 03 June 2014, shortly after noon local time there was an attack on the Lugansk City
Administration Building in the center of Lugansk by a single Ukrainian Air Force Sukhoi 25 ground
attack airplane. He fired a single volley of missiles at the front of the building. Yes, the building
is the titular headquarters of Donbas Republic but 95% of the offices and workers in that building
are city administration workers, civilians doing their work for the citizens of Lugansk and most
of whom have worked there for years. Ukraine well knew that fact and attacked. The impact of the
rockets are well documented in many videos extant on the internet as is the aftermath as the area
is being policed up and the fire in the one burning office on the fourth floor is extinguished.
The first two attached videos are of the area immediately after the attack. They are graphic
to an extreme and are not for those with a weak stomach. The woman in the red blouse with her dying
breaths asks "Excuse me please, give me a telephone." Those words are an exact translation, she
did say 'Excuse me please' before she requested the phone. The young man in the park whom they start
CPR on died. The old man lying face down in the street is dead. The man face up with his head on
a tyre died. The four women at the base of the entrance steps, three died instantly and the fourth,
the lady with the red blouse, died in moments after her request. The man screaming as he takes the
video of the carnage is screaming 'sookhie'. 'Sookha', singular, and 'sookhie', plural, is the Russian
word for a female dog. Like in English, in Russian it also has the second meaning, as in bitch.
Here it's fighting words.
The west media did mention this senseless slaughter after a fashion. They said in their very
few 'articles' yesterday refering to this slaughter that the 'terrorists and rebels of the Donbas
Army fired a Manpad that accidently hit the building'. This in spite of dozens of videos showing
the missiles impacting in the park in front of the building and walking right up to the base and
front facade of the building and the death and destruction in the park and in front of the building.
Even the much vaunted BBC told the Manpad story.
The third video is of the artillery bombardment of Slavyansk at dawn and shortly after today,
03 June 2014. I do not know of the extent of the civilian casualties this morning in Slavyansk but
I do know one 9 story flats building was hit square on the roof and was burning as of 06:00 local
time as are other structures in Slavyansk.
To this moment not a single western government or government official that I know of has expressed
either sympathy or condolences for these dead civilians nor have any of them asked Kiev to cease
these terror attacks. After all, the dead citizens are Untermenschen. WE are Untermenschen.
I urge you all, each and every one of you, to flood your embassies, your ambassadors, your politicians,
your presidents, your prime ministers, every government functionary you can find, with these videos.
Perhaps their army of minions will not be able to stop all from getting through to them. Use email,
use facebook, use twitter, use whatever you can. Show them WHAT THEY DID. Not that they will care.
After all, we are Untermenschen.
But one thing they should understand. We, the Untermenschen, will fight them. Ukraine died in
Odessa on 02 May 2014. Any chance of negotiations about Donbas died on 09 May 2014 in Mariupol.
After Lugansk yesterday it will be a fight to the death. We will win. We Untermenschen will defeat
you. We have no choice. We will fight you to our last breath and die fighting before we kneel in
subservience to a single one of you.
For you politicians behind the coup d'etat in Kiev and the war against the citizens of Ukraine,
you disgust me. I have only this to say to Merkel, Torchinov, Poroshenko, Holland, Cameron. Swift
Boat John, Nuland and Obama, whoever the 'president' of poland is, each and every one of you, your
minions and hangers on, the west politicians, ALL of you.
Damn your eyes, damn your souls, damn you to Hell, back to where you came from. You are beneath
contempt.
No sleep from 05:00 02.06. Please excuse spelling mistakes.
During a protest near Lviv in west Ukraine by women demanding the return of their conscripted sons
and husbands the women were beaten by Tyagnibok's Svoboda Party operatives. Two women are in hospital.
Artillery fire commenced against the town of Severodonetsk 04:20 local time.
Slavyansk and Kramatorsk heavy fighting resumed dawn today. 3 enemy BTR's destroyed before dawn
03 June 2014 Kramatorsk area. Casualties unknown.
Lugansk fighting and artillery bombardments started dawn in outskirts. One flats building hit by
artillery and on fire. Casualties unknown.
27 children including some milk babies were successfully evacuated from Kromatorsk after dark 01
June. Destination unknown.
Intense fighting around Kramotorsk Aerodrome from dawn today. The distinctive sound of a German
MG3 was clearly heard. This weapon is known to be in Nats armories in small numbers and some rechambered
for Russian 7.62 x 54 round from NATO 7.62 x 51 round. High cyclic rate of fire.
Ukraine Army is blocking all traffic in and out of Donetsk City and Slavyansk. No medical supplies
are allowed in to either area. The prohibition of evacuating children from both cities is still
in effect by Junta. Sick and severely wounded evacuation is prohibited.
Reports of very heavy fighting suburbs of Slavyansk 08:10 local time. Reports of tank cannon fire
in the area of fighting are unconfirmed. Tank cannon have a distinctive sound different from artillery
of the same caliber.
09:29 local time column of tanks and BTR's have fought their way in to Slavyansk with right sector
infantry. Very intense fighting extant in actual city.
About Dr. Paul Craig RobertsPaul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury
for Economic Policy and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal. He was columnist for Business
Week, Scripps Howard News Service, and Creators Syndicate. He has had many university appointments.
His internet columns have attracted a worldwide following. Roberts' latest books are
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How America Was Lost.
Residents of Slavyansk and its suburbs were awoken overnight on Thursday by what they say were incendiary
bombs that were dropped on their city by Kiev's military. Witnesses and local media reports suggested
that the bombs might be phosphorous.
Much of the village of Semyonovka, located in the Slavyansk
suburbs, was set ablaze. Local residents told RT that the ground didn't stop burning for some time.
"We all saw what happened here yesterday. They used rocket launchers as well as incendiary
bombs against us. The ground was on fire. How can the ground burn by itself. It burned for about
forty minutes," resident Roman Litvinov told RT over the phone.
"Starting from 2 a.m. everyone I've met has a sore throat and is coughing all the time. I
think this is because of the burning. I think we'll feel the true consequences later. There are
still a lot of people here, a lot of children we haven't managed to get out yet," resident
Tatyana told RT.
The use of incendiary bombs – designed to start fires using materials such as napalm, white phosphorus
or other dangerous chemicals – is strictly prohibited by the UN.
He also voiced concern over reports of the use of prohibited ammunition, including incendiary
bombs, during the military crackdown.
The draft resolution calls for an immediate end to all violence and for a lasting ceasefire.
"The draft resolution will aim to stop the violence and support the political efforts the OSCE
has been undertaking in vain so far. We urge the UN Secretary-General to support them," Churkin
said, adding that its adoption would demonstrate the UNSC's support for the crisis settlement efforts.
Expressing alarm over the
conflict in Iraq on Thursday, Russia said it had long predicted that American and British "adventurism"
there would end badly.
"We warned long ago that
the adventurism the Americans and the British started there would not end well," said Sergey V.
Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, according to the Interfax news agency.
Without referring to President
George W. Bush by name, Mr. Lavrov said, "The situation in Iraq has been deteriorating at an exponential
rate" ever since the American president declared a
victory for democracy in Iraq 11 years ago.
Switching Kiev to prepayment was again postponed at the request of the European Commission till
10.00 Monday, June 16. This is the last postponenet and we will not postpone it again", - said Miller,
RIA "Novosti".
"The position of the Ukrainian side is absurd, when the Ukrainian side goes against the sovereign
rights of the Russian Federation to regulate the price of gas supplies through the mechanism of
export customs duties. It is the sovereign right. The Law Of The Russian Federation. This position
of the Ukrainian party otherwise than absurd, it's impossible to say. The Ukrainian side put an
ultimatum to us," said Miller.
"The statement of the Prime Minister of Ukraine Mr. Yatsenyuk was
made during the tripartite consultations, the European Union, Russia and Ukraine. And actually this
public statement of the Prime Minister of Ukraine tore tripartite consultations," said Miller.
"When on Wednesday, October 11, Prime Minister of Ukraine Mr. Yatsenyuk says that there is no
basis for reaching agreement, this reflects strange and absurd position of the Ukrainian side. There
can be no agreement unless it reached only on Ukrainian conditions. While such statements, according
to the European Commission, are absolutely inappropriate. We agree with that," said Miller.
Miller believes that Ukraine's position a "blatant blackmail". Miller noted that the current
situation in Ukraine is different from the position of 2009. In 2009 "Ukraine paid for gas, and
now she does not pay, and is not going to do that", reports ITAR-TASS.
"The Ukrainian side must fully pay the debts for November and December 2013 is 1,451 billion
dollars, and show progress on payment of debt in April and May which are $ 500 million. Thus, Gazprom
should see the money on Gasprom account until the morning of Monday, 16 June, in the amount of 1,951
billion. Otherwise, we enter the mode of advance payment", - said the head of Gazprom.
He stressed that the mode of payment is not disabling of Ukraine on Russian gas supplies or any
restrictions. "It's the supply of gas to Ukraine in volumes of gas that Ukraine paid. If no amounts
of Ukraine will not be paid, then, respectively, the supply of gas to Ukraine will be zero," said
Miller.
Let's remind, Russia has proposed to set the final price for gas at $385 per thousand cubic meters,
including the the debt for April-May, taking into account discounts and will not intorduce
prepayment if Ukraine up to June 16 will repay $ 2 billion and then, up to 26 June, the remaining
part of the debt.
But Kiev did not agree and said he intends to appeal to the Stockholm court, although the parties
have agreed not to do it. Until the court Kiev offers to set price within 268,5 dollars per thousand
cubic meters.
Americans have grown understandably weary of foreign entanglements over the last 12 years of
open-ended warfare, and they are now more receptive to a noninterventionist message than they have
been in decades. According to a recent Pew survey, 52 percent of Americans now prefer that the U.S.
"mind its own business in international affairs," which represents the most support for a restrained
and modest foreign policy in the last 50 years. That presents a challenge and an opportunity for
noninterventionists to articulate a coherent and positive case for what a foreign policy of peace
and prudence would mean in practice. As useful and necessary as critiquing dangerous ideas may be,
noninterventionism will remain a marginal, dissenting position in policymaking unless its advocates
explain in detail how their alternative foreign policy would be conducted.
A noninterventionist foreign policy would first of all require a moratorium on new foreign entanglements
and commitments for the foreseeable future. A careful reevaluation of where the U.S. has vital interests
at stake would follow. There are relatively few places where the U.S. has truly vital concerns that
directly affect our security and prosperity, and the ambition and scale of our foreign policy should
reflect that. A noninterventionist U.S. would conduct itself like a normal country without pretensions
to global "leadership" or the temptation of a proselytizing mission. This is a foreign policy
more in line with what the American people will accept and less likely to provoke violent resentment
from overseas, and it is therefore more sustainable and affordable over the long term.
When a conflict or dispute erupts somewhere, unless it directly threatens the security of America
or our treaty allies, the assumption should be that it is not the business of the U.S. government
to take a leading role in resolving it. If a government requests aid in the event of a natural disaster
or humanitarian crisis (e.g., famine, disease), as Haiti did following its devastating earthquake
in 2010, the U.S. can and should lend assistance-but as a general rule the U.S. should not seek
to interfere in other nations' domestic circumstances.
... ... ...
The U.S. would also refuse to take sides in the internal quarrels of other countries. The sovereignty
of other states would be respected much more consistently than in past decades. The U.S. would refrain
from destabilizing foreign governments or aiding in their overthrow, and it would not make a habit
of siding with whichever protest movement happened to be in the streets of a foreign capital. Likewise,
it would refrain from propping up and subsidizing abusive and dictatorial regimes and would condition
U.S. aid on how a government treats its people. While there may be a need to cooperate with authoritarian
states on certain issues, governments that torture or violently suppress peaceful protests, including
the current Egyptian government, shouldn't be supported in any way by American taxpayers.
War
might be necessary at some point, but if so it would be waged only in self-defense or the defense
of a treaty ally. A noninterventionist U.S. would never wage a preventive war- which is contrary
both to international law and morality-and would generally be wary of using force even when it could
be justified. The U.S. should always avoid giving allies and clients the impression that they have
a blank check from Washington, since that will tend to make them more combative and unreasonable
in disputes with their neighbors. Allies and clients that wanted to pursue reckless and provocative
courses of action would be actively discouraged, and it would be the responsibility of the U.S.
to pull these states back from avoidable conflicts. A noninterventionist U.S. would manage relations
with other major powers by seeking to cooperate on matters of common interest and by avoiding unnecessary
disagreements on those issues where the U.S. has relatively little at stake. The U.S. and other
major powers are bound to have conflicting interests from time to time, but these unavoidable disagreements
shouldn't be compounded by picking fights over every issue where we differ. As long as the U.S.
has allies on the borders of other major powers, there will always be a certain degree of mistrust
and tension in our relations. However, the U.S. shouldn't make this worse by seeking to enlarge
our alliances or increase our influence in countries that have historically been in the orbit of
another major power. The goal here should be to keep tensions with other major powers at a tolerable
minimum and to reduce the possibility of renewed great power conflict in the new century.
As George Washington also said: "In the execution of such a plan, nothing is more essential than
that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for
others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should
be cultivated." For that reason, a noninterventionist U.S. would be one that doesn't seek to demagogue
or exaggerate foreign threats, nor would it cultivate either hostility towards or adoration of any
other country. Above all, it won't seek to make the U.S. the champion of any other country's interests
at our expense.
Noninterventionism is a rather clunky and unappealing label for a set of very appealing ideas:
that the U.S. should mind its own business, act with restraint, respect other nations, refrain from
unnecessary violence, and pursue peace. If future administrations took just a few of these as guiding
principles for the conduct of foreign policy, America and the world would both be better off.
Senior editor Daniel Larison blogs at TheAmericanConservative.com/Larison.
As we mentioned before, EuroMaidan did the trick the US wanted from it and now can go to hell. The
rubber product, that it represented, was used and nobody now is interested in supporting those dwellers
from their own pocket, even Timoshenko. Therefore, during the last few days we saw the picture
that is tragic and funny at the same time: the former heroes of the revolution now are equated to
homeless bums, their allowances were cut (as well as free food they enjoyed all this time) and Ukrainian
media started treats them like human trash. So ugly neoliberal reality, for which they fought came
to Maidan.
On 7 June Maidan protesters who occupied the Kyiv city hall on Khreshchatyk 36
were evicted by cruel and cynical way. The rich experience, obtained in Odessa by junta was applied
in Kiev, the development that was hard to imagine as those methods were used against yesterday's
allies in the "revolution" that brought Choko Pete to power.
Here is how subservient to authorities Ukrainian media describes the event. This is a kind of
literary masterpiece, quoted verbatim:
"The Maidan activists living in the building, barricaded themselves in offices and MADE a LITTLE
FIRE. Then they began to look out of the window and shout that that Samooborona forces are burning
them alive", -Ukrainian journalists reported.
"Some time later, the activists opened the door, as it became difficult to breathe in the smoke-filled
rooms Self-defense ordered them to leave the premises. Those obeyed running for their lives.
But somehow simultaneously stealing monitors and computer parts from the building".
"Samooborona detained activists, seized the property owned by the city administration, and is
currently waiting for the police to those recorded the theft of property and arrested them."
Translated from this absurd official version it looks like not only junta replicated Odessa experience
in the Kyiv mayor's office, it did not even bother to create some plausible justification for their
actions. Immediately after the inauguration of Chocolates oligarch with curly hairs unlucky
"Maidan gardeners" were set on fire from the inside, and when they started shouting for help
from window, they were arrested and bogus criminal cases were bestowed on each. Now they probably
will be send to rot in prisons.
Unlike the citizens of Odessa, they were not cut in pieces, raped and tortured in the building.
But those former fierce street fighters with police were probably clearly hinted that everything
is possible, and that singing the national anthem of Ukraine will not save anyone, and their blue-yellow
Ukrainian flags should be put away. In retrospective shouting "glory to heroes!" on Maidan videos
looks especially funny. Here is the glory. After such a stunning, really extraordinary cynicism,
it can be stated that Maidan is over. And parsley that they grow on Khreshchatyk street, will
be weeded out in a matter of days, if not hours.
There is now distinct pressure on Putin to use force...
Mr. Sergey Glaziev, the advisor to the President of Russia proposed to do with the Ukrainian army
the same as d the U.S. did with the Libyan army. As UNIAN reported, such he made this statement
during the round table in Moscow.
"I would like to remind the words of Winston Churchill: "whoever
between shame and war selects a shame, receives and war, and shame." This is a modern war. This
does not mean that we have to move our tanks to Kiev, but, at least, we have the right to stop the
genocide of the population", - Agency quotes Glaziev .
The U.S quite persistently and consistently are pushing Ukraine to war with Russia under the pretext
of Crimea, and the goal of Poroshenko is the war with Russia, because otherwise they can't return
the Crimea, which he announced as his goal", he said at the round table "About the situation in
the Donetsk and Lugansk regions of Ukraine and Russia's position," Sergei Glaziev. "The Americans
and their Kiev proteges took a course on militarization on the formation of the dictatorship of
the Nazi regime, in full mobilization of the population against Russia... Ukraine has a large army,
it was put in reserves, but now the industry of Kharkiv works full time, restoring tanks, armored
vehicles. Today there are not less than 200 units of armored vehicles that are used in the civil
war agains Donesk population, and every day the number of vehicles increases; and the same applies
to the aircraft,"
Sergey Glazyev proposed to close the sky above the South-East of Ukraine, by the example of American
operations in Libya, and disable the Ukrainian armored vehicles from the air. According to Glaziev
now it can still be done, but six months later will be too late. "It's enough to close the sky and
use the same mechanism of suppression of military equipment, which was used by the Americans in
Libya, which initially gen full control over the airspace, then shot from the air armored
vehicles, artillery, aviation, and the regime with which they fought, became unfit for combat. We
still have the opportunity to do so, six months later, this opportunity will be gone," said Sergei
Glaziev.
"Look dynamics - if in December of the Nazis was 2 thousand people in Kyiv, in February - 20
thousand, in may they already 50 thousand together with soldiers in the middle of summer they will
be 100 thousand, in September they will be 200 thousand by the end of the year they will put under
the gun with 500 thousand people," continued Glaziev. "We get most powerful military machine, oriented
against us, led by the Nazis, ideologically charged against Russia... the Ultimate aim of all actions
is the war with Russia. If Donbass will be lot to "pacipiers' without a fight, to keep the peace,
the next target, which is declared is Crimea", - he concluded.
lUkraine rejected a Russian proposal for the price of future natural-gas deliveries as European
Union-brokered talks in Brussels ended without an agreement.
Russia offered to supply gas for about 20 percent below the current price, a level Ukraine said
was still more than it's willing to pay, EU Energy Commissioner Guenther Oettinger said at a press
conference after the three-way meeting. Russia's energy minister said the country also wants $1.95
billion for past fuel supplies before June 16 or it may cut shipments.
Of course Simon Shuster is a well known Kiev presstitute, and that lower expectations ;-). But even
in this sense it's pretty disappointing interview as country faces real problems and those two guys
talk about punishing Russia. Generally Poroshenko look like a political clone of Victor Yushchenko.
Might end the same way.
In his first interview as President of Ukraine, Petro Poroshenko tells TIME that he has no choice
but to keep Russia at the negotiating table, as no country is prepared to guarantee his country's
security from further attack
Ukraine's new President Petro Poroshenko wants to see Russia punished for what he calls the "tragedy"
that befell his country this year. But even as Russia has annexed one region of Ukraine and encouraged
a violent rebellion in two others, Ukraine does not have the option of breaking off ties with the
Kremlin, Poroshenko told TIME in his first interview since taking office. His government has no
choice but to seek "an understanding" with Russia, he says, even if for no other reason than the
hard reality of Ukraine's geography.
"Maybe some Ukrainians would like to have Sweden or Canada for a neighbor, but we have Russia,"
he said on Monday inside the Presidential Administration Building in Kiev, fidgeting with a set
of rosary beads throughout the interview. "So we can't talk about a firm sense of security without
a dialogue and an understanding with Russia." That is why Poroshenko spent the first full day of
his tenure on Sunday in marathon talks with the Russian ambassador to Ukraine, Mikhail Zurabov.
Their positions remain miles apart, at best leaving Poroshenko room for "cautious optimism" for
restoring civil relations with Russia, he said.
But whatever progress they will make toward a cease-fire between the Ukrainian military and pro-Russian
rebels in the regions of Donetsk and Luhansk, Poroshenko has no intention of making nice with Russian
President Vladimir Putin. "To be honest, I'm not very interested in what Citizen Putin thinks of
my state," he said. If the Russian leader doubts Ukraine's right to exist within its current borders,
the best way to convince him otherwise is to build a powerful army and a thriving economy, Poroshenko
said. "No one would allow himself to doubt the existence of small countries like Singapore," the
Ukrainian President said, "because when a country is strong, effective, comfortable, monolithic,
such doubts would never enter anyone's minds."
Achieving that will require support from the West, he told TIME, not least of all the kind of
military aid that he has been requesting. "We're talking about assistance that will be able to stop
this aggression" from Russia, he said of his discussions last week and this weekend with U.S. and
European leaders. "The help can take all kinds of forms, from intelligence to military technology,
from blocking our airspace to enforcing a maritime blockade" in case of attack.
Poroshenko said he discussed these kinds of support last week with U.S. President Barack Obama,
and brought it up again with Vice President Joe Biden, who attended Poroshenko's inauguration on
Saturday. But no Western nation has agreed to provide any security guarantees to Ukraine, nor have
they made any firm pledges to renew the so-called Budapest Memorandum, the 1994 agreement between
the U.S., Russia and the U.K. that was supposed to guarantee Ukraine's territorial integrity.
With the annexation of Crimea in March, Russia violated that agreement, and Poroshenko has since
become convinced that even the U.N. Security Council is no longer capable of preventing conflict
between major powers. "When one of the veto-holding members of the U.N. Security Council has in
effect become an aggressor, that shows that the old system isn't working," he said. This argument
came up in his talks with Western leaders last weekend in France, and he said they agreed "without
question" about the need for the "global security architecture" to be revised. "The struggle for
Crimea is a struggle to prevent such precedents from repeating themselves in the future," he said.
"We can't allow unpunished aggression."
But punishing Russia is not an option for Poroshenko at this point. The best he can do is to
build a military that can prevent a future Russian attack and, at the same time, stay at the negotiating
table with the country he calls an aggressor. His goals are modest. Apart from stopping the bloodshed
in eastern Ukraine, he wants Russia to offer a new "model of behavior, a model of guarantees" that
would restore a sense of stability. So far, he doesn't have anything close.
FT propaganda... In reality it was people of Donbass who revolt against Kiev Junta... People
who fight against "pacification" death squads usually fight well, because they have nothing to lose.
On the other hand Turchinov (aka Trupchnov) government wants to get rid off as many Maidan militants
as possible too ("The Moor has done his duty. The Moor can go.") So sending then into meat grinder at
Donbass can be a Machiavellian strategy too.
But while Russia's strategic thinking might recall the ruthless geopolitics of the last century,
its tactics have been a model of warfare in the 21st, artfully employing everything from small groups
of unidentifiable specialist personnel to cyber warfare.
In more than a dozen interviews, planners, security officials and members of the intelligence
community have spoken of Moscow with universal, if grudging, praise.
Tactically, they say, Russia has waged a dexterous and comprehensive campaign, and has been one
step ahead at every turn. The Kremlin's operations on the ground have been "masterly", said one.
"I have been impressed. The eminent deniability of it all - this has been an exactly and beautifully
calibrated operation . . . silent but deadly effective," said Jonathan Eyal, international director
of the Royal United Services Institute in London. The west "has been off-guard from day one".
... ... ...
Russia has continued to be strident in its denial of involvement. The foreign ministry said accusations
of Russian arms making their way over the border were "the work of the devil".
... ... ...
A senior Nato bureaucrat said the sequencing of separatist attacks suggested a guiding hand.
Militias first targeted government buildings and communications centres, followed by key supply
points and then harder targets such as military installations.
Ukrainian forces have been outwitted several times. In Konstantinovka last month, during an attempted
ambush of Russian paramilitaries, the pro-Kiev Donbas militia was ambushed. This week, separatists
seized control of two Ukrainian military bases in Luhansk.
Nevertheless, criminal conduct by the insurgents does not relieve the Ukrainian forces
of their obligations to act in accordance with international law in the conduct of their law enforcement
and military operations. This is particularly the case with respect to use of lethal force. In Ukraine
the obligations under the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), such as those which protect
the right to life (article 2), bodily integrity (article 3), and liberty and security (article 5),
as well as the inviolability of the home (article 8), remain in force during all law enforcement
and military operations. (See for example the cases of Ergi v. Turkey, judgment of 28 July 1998,
Reports 1998-IV and Isayeva v. Russia (2005), in which the European Court of Human Rights articulated
the scope of the state's obligations in the conduct of counter-insurgency operations.)
Article 2 of the ECHR provides that deprivation of life is not a violation of the right
to life "when it results from use of force which is no more than absolutely necessary" in among
other things, "action lawfully taken for the purpose of quelling a riot or insurrection." Requiring
that use of force be no more than "absolutely necessary" means the force used must be strictly proportionate
to the achievement of the permitted aims. It also requires an examination of whether the operation
was planned and controlled by the authorities so as to minimize, to the greatest extent possible,
risk to life. The government's responsibility will be engaged where they fail to take all feasible
precautions in the choice of means and methods of a security operation mounted against an opposing
group with a view to avoiding and, in any event, minimizing, incidental loss of civilian life (see
Ergi para 79).
The yellow and blue stripes of Ukraine's national flag are designed to symbolise a happy union
between golden fields and the summer sky. At the moment, the sweeping plains of Donetsk do indeed
resemble this vision of idyllic harmony – until, that is, you run into a checkpoint manned by pro-Russian
rebels or Ukrainian soldiers.
You might expect the insurgents to be tense and fearful, but I've usually found the army to be
more on edge. At one roadblock, a suspicious soldier with blazing blue eyes inquired where we had
come from and where we were going. Then he abruptly asked my driver: "And what is your opinion of
separatism?" When a teenage member of a national army demands to know the political views of the
people he is paid to protect, then you know things are going wrong. And the signs are that the "anti-terrorist"
operation mounted by Ukraine's security forces to recapture the eastern regions of Donetsk and Luhansk
is coming off the rails.
That has important consequences for the West's response to Ukraine's crisis. Put bluntly, we
cannot simply place the burden on Vladimir Putin to end the killing. Petro Poroshenko, the newly
elected president of Ukraine who took office on Saturday, must also correct his government's mistakes.
... ... ...
Privately, Western diplomats in Kiev acknowledge that the military operation is flawed. On some
days, the objective seems to be containing the rebels and stopping them from seizing any more ground.
On others, the security forces go on the offensive, but often abandon their gains.
They have won some victories, notably by retaking Sergei Prokofiev International Airport in Donetsk
a fortnight ago. But the price has been the profound alienation of many local people.
One young and educated woman – exactly the sort of person whom Mr Poroshenko should be winning
over – describes feeling "infuriated" whenever she sees Ukrainian troops. They are not liberators,
but "occupiers", she adds.
At one roadblock, the evidence of fear and suspicion between the security forces and the people
they are supposed to protect was even starker: some soldiers from the national guard were wearing
black masks. So Mr Poroshenko should not feel that the West's pressure on Russia will let him off
the hook. He should be told to conduct this offensive sensibly – or cancel it altogether.
When this is taken into account, there is only one possible option: Finlandization in Ukraine,
with a nominally independent Ukraine under Russian control. This deal will have the following conditions:
Crimea to join Russia and be internationally recognized; DonBass to either join Russia,
or receive autonomous republic status in Ukraine, like Crimea had
Federalization of Ukraine
Autonomous status for Southeastern Ukraine and Zakarpatiya, if the voters approve it
Russian to be recognized as the official language of Ukraine
Truly popular and democratic elections by region, with no candidates being beaten up or
not allowed to run for office
Yes, these conditions are harsh. However, they are the only way to prevent the most devastating
outcome: Southeastern Ukraine joins Russia, Rump Ukraine ends up demanding funds from the EU, as
that is an option where Russia takes a $14 billion tab, whereas the EU ends up stuck with a $110
billion tab, while looking defeated to the rest of the World.
Ukraine Ministry of Defense Announces Cessation of Military Activities
"Interim defence Minister Mykhailo Koval has informed ZN.ua that
armed confrontation in East Ukraine, where the Ukrainian authorities have been carrying out
a police operation against militias, is being phased out."
Yeah, who now remembers the International Brigade in Spain?
Well, clearly very few nowadays,
because the Spanish Civil War Ended over 80 years ago. However, I met several old International
Brigade veterans in my youth because of those UK volunteers who went off to fight for the Republicans,
the largest contingent consisted of coal miners. The British miners' union at the time (The
"Fed" – The Miners' Federation of Great Britain) had a very strong Communist Party of Great
Britain presence and, furthermore, because of the Great Depression, many miners in the UK were
either unemployed during the '30s or working "short time" and only earning a subsistence wage.
There were other volunteers as well. In a Manchester pub many years ago, I fell into conversation
with an old bloke who began reminiscing about his experiences in the Spanish Civil War. I mentioned
that I was acquainted with a couple of International Brigade vets, whereupon he told me with
a chuckle that he had fought on the other side. He must have been a member of the British Union
of Fascists – one of Oswald Mosely's "Blackshirts".
Russian and Ukrainian officials failed to reach a solution early Tuesday to a dispute over energy
that has exacerbated tensions and led to concerns about cutoffs of natural gas to the European Union.
A Facebook eulogy to a Russian nationalist who died in Ukraine, Aleksandr Vlasov, cited the young
man's posts before leaving, and his plans. "We should receive assault rifles" on the Ukrainian side,
he said. He planned to buy a uniform and a rucksack in Russia, then slip across.
"Sure, I don't want to die and leave my children and wife and living mother," he wrote. "But
it would be worse to someday have my son ask, 'And what did you do while the Nazis killed people?'
" He finished by writing, "Russians forgot how to die. And we die marvelously. Like none others."
There is a problem in that nationality that was constructed in Galicina, Lviv, etc. some time
ago. Basically, they build the notion "Ukrainian" on rejecting everything Russian.
They don't talk to Russia. Just watch some tavern youtube movies from some years back - those
patriotic songs "kill the Russians, crush Russia", etc. I don't recall even the most crazy of
our nationalists saying that about a foreign country.
That was fine while they were not in
power. Somebody more moderate did the talking as a pres, and those folks from Lviv hopped on
the train and happily came to Russia for work cause there they could earn money.
Now they are afloat, and everybody can see what they say. No dialogue.
They can't start a dialogue with their East because that would mean that their national
idea is wrong. Who would say that about their own nation? Well, mature nations admit when
they are wrong and have no trouble, they even find pride in a moral high ground, saying: I was
wrong - but that's why they are called mature.
If Western Ukraine starts talking to Eastern Ukraine - those they call "pro-Russian", that
would mean for their citizens that they failed as a nation. And if they admit they failed as
a nation, then everybody can declare a new national idea. And the country will break up into
cities, not just two parts.
So, I'm afraid, Western Ukraine is going to push it's war and hope for God's sake that they
conquer the East. Otherwise - see above.
The escape from this linear logic would be an appearance of a sane statesperson, somebody
with brains and guts, who can look at the situation from above and talk to both gangs of extreme
nationalists without submitting to either of them. That is the only possibility of this unholy
war ending anytime soon.
Some things Ukraine has to do itself. The world already tried to help - look at 16th of March
for instance. Nobody can save Ukraine except Ukraine.
"The escape from this linear logic would be an appearance of a sane statesperson, somebody with
brains and guts, who can look at the situation from above and talk to both gangs of extreme
nationalists without submitting to either of them. That is the only possibility of this unholy
war ending anytime soon."
Putin? :) Irony is as much as they hate him, somebody similar to
him would be useful for them.
Ukraine had two $100 discounts that reduced the price
from 480 to 260.
First discount was about Sevastopol lease since 2017 and Russia ALREADY PAYED FOR 4 YEARS
FOR IT. It was an advance payment for 2017-2020 years of lease. So basically Russia started
to pay its part of the deal 8 years before the Ukrainian part of the deal would have kicked
in. Obviously now this discount is no longer due, and Russia may even ask for a reimbursement
of this discount for these 4 years, amounting to $11bln dollars.
The second discount could have still stayed working if Ukraine had payed in time. It
was a very simple clause which stated that you get $100 discount if you pay in time. Again,
its totally in the contract and totally according to contract. But what we see? Russia pays
8 years in advance meanwhile Ukraine does not pay a dollar even for 6 months ago gas priced
with previous discounted price.
Its ridiculous how especially Yatsenyuk can be so blatant. As if I come to shop and ask to
buy on tick for discounted goods, then come again and after noticing that there is no more discount,
I DEMAND it or else I wouldnt pay for my previous goods. Ridiculous.
mikserg
I can see it, Poroshenko wants to end the fighting by killing the rebels and not by engaging
in negotiations with them. No matter what Poroshenko would like it to be, the rebels do not
report to Putin and might not stop fighting even if Putin tells them to do so. All Putin can
do is to unofficially supply (or not supply) the East with volunteers and guns. It is in the
best Ukrainian tradition to solve the problem by creating a new one.
As for the debt, Ukraine must pay for the gas at the market price unless the EU wants to
subsidise them. This is what free market capitalism is all about.
gbroment
Ukraine had a huge discount on Russian gas. Did they expect to keep that discount with a
nazi infested, US puppet, anti-Russian government?
And our media insist on calling any human beings who are against the new government "pro-Russian"
gunmen or militants. So the thugs and army killing civilians in the east should be referred
to as pro-US militants.
atavistic -> gbroment
well said. let's not forget that the ones calling for a humanitarian corridor were the Russians!
the Ukrainians and the EU refused!
it was then the separatists that organised the mass evacuation of ALL women and children
who wanted to go!
Larry144
This article is well-written and balanced. This is so unlike AFP, which usually serves NATO
propaganda. The following statement in the article is incorrect:
Ukraine has refused to pay the bills in protest against Russia's decision to almost
double the amount it charges for its gas following the toppling of Kiev's Kremlin-backed
president in February.
In actuality, Russia lowered the price only after Yanukovych rejected the EU free trade pact
at the end of 2013. This low price lasted for several months and went back up after the coup
d'état.
Zenotaph
Let's wait and see. A first gesture of goodwill should be a unilateral ceasefire from the
Kiev forces. Without the ceasefire, I doubt if anything can come out of it except more bloodshed.
riggbeck -> Zenotaph
A first gesture of goodwill should be a unilateral ceasefire from the Kiev forces.
No. The separatists started this insurrection, aided and abetted by Russia, and it's up to
them to lay down their weapons. Ukraine is only doing what any country would do in the event
of an armed rebellion.
An amnesty, certainly, but no surrender to terrorists.
wellbeingb4dolla -> riggbeck
Que?
The separatists started this insurrection, aided and abetted by Russia,
So the Maidan insurrection that brought down a legitimate government didn't start it aided
and abetted by the EU and US?
LeDingue -> riggbeck
what any country would do
And what would "any country" have done when the Maidan protests very suddenly turned extremely
violent? What would "any country" have done if a private militia had been been raised
who then looted state arsenals? That the people in the east sought to defend themselves was
wholly predictable
You can't fight ideas and cultural identity with bullets, all you do is kill, injure, traumatise
and destroy.
it's up to them to lay down their weapons
No sane person expects this to happen whilst Right Sektor "national guard" units are laying
siege and shelling civilian areas.
Only government withdrawal and direct negotiation will stop the violence. Which begs the
question: why would you be opposed to the cessation of violence and suffering?
BeatonTheDonis -> riggbeck
Ukraine is only doing what any country would do in the event of an armed rebellion.
Did you have the same opinion when Yanukovych tried to put down the Maidan rebellion?
After that meeting Poroshenko said the fighting must end this week. "For me, every day in
which people die, every day in which Ukraine pays such a high price, is unacceptable."
He and the US should have thought about people and the 'high price' of death before the US overthrew
an elected president and government. It is unlikely that unless the people in East Ukraine get
the independence they are seeking, Poroshenko and the US nightmare will only increase.
Poroshenko confirmed that Kiev would sign a historic pact with the EU that would finally
wrest it from Russia's orbit as soon as the end of the month. This is going to make matters
worse, because the next thing will be a fleet of US warships sailing up the Black Sea. The US
is completely mad, if it thinks it can intimidate or push Russia around.
Aleksandr Romanovich Podgaets
Ukraine makes the same mistake as Georia in 2008 - it demands from Russia to return what Russia
didn't take.
In order to return Crimean land, inhabitants will have to get physically killed or moved
away. If that's not going to happen, then it's impossible to return Crimean land.
It's as safe as blaming Putin for F=mg and E=mc2.
So may be that's the plan? To demand something impossible, so that Ukraine can blame Russia
and be safe because it's impossible to do anyway?
Freego
The man is a jerk at leas the equal of Obama. the two have been jerking off by killing people
in the East. Obama jerks off by killing all over the world. So do 'Americans'. The Ukrainians
who allow such a little boy team to lead them are jerks.
Ukraine did not pay its bills and the USA gave it reason to believe the bills could be revoked
or that the EU would pay. Poroshenko acted on this. It is crystal clear.
Any human who believes the 'Americans' and the Anglo-Saxon controlled West needs 24 hr psychiatric
nursing. Nothing is more obvious.
Any who have ever supported this human rubbish needs to be carefully examined and kept under
observation for at least ten years. Daily visits to the local police station must be required.
Any failure to do so must result in a SWAT team storming their house.
jamesoverseas
...ending a bloody separatist insurgency by the end of the week.
Timetable's slipping, a couple of weeks ago it was going to be a matter of hours to finish
it.
Given there is now @ 130km hole in the border (closing the border being a euphemism for abandoning
all control points to the rebels), whilst the rebels managed to down an AN30 artillery spotting
plane on Friday, and continue to hold Slavyansk despite the use of government artillery against
it, I'd say that if he's really expecting to finish this by the end of the week, then he's in
for giving serious concessions, and not a military victory.
2. Ukraine to Russia: We don't
want you, go away, we hate your guts
West and Ukraine to Russia:
Notwithstanding 1&2, we DEMAND Russia sells cheap gas, subsidised raw materials and
well as allow tariff free imports of Ukrainian goods to Russia
Masterplan = We will take over Ukraine, but Russia must pay for it ( since we are all
broke anyhow)
tiojo
Everyone, including President Poroshenko, knows that Ukraine needs a new constitutional settlement.
There is no armed solution. So far he has made only militaristic noises about combating terrorism
and ending an armed uprising within days of being inaugurated. He has given us no future vision
of Ukraine. He seems to want to recreate the old, failed Ukraine.
The citizens of eastern Ukraine have been quite clear in what they want. More devolution
and a more federal style of constitution. President Poroshenko now needs to respond to that
and tell us how he sees a way forward - and not at the wheel of a tank we hope.
Aleksandr Romanovich Podgaets -> tiojo
If Poroshenko doesn't want federation, he still needs to change constitution.
Chapter 46 of Ukrainian constitution is what Crimea used to leave - any region of Ukraine
can organise a vote on "any regional matter" up to and "including leaving mother-state". They
probably copy-pasted it from our constitution. Nobody guaranteed that what works for us will
work for them. if they are so desperate for united Ukraine, they should delete that chapter
ASAP.
When will constitutional reform start?
rezevici, 09 June 2014 2:25pm
Ukraine army continues the bombardment of civilians. Now it's time to remind the US, the UK,
The French and the German governments about what they announced when Serbian forces were shelling
Kosovo villages: "Serbia has lost its legitimacy for governing Kosovo and people there".
Or are we taking some immoral sides here?
Larry144, 09 June 2014 2:33pm
Poroshenko faces an impossible task regarding the separatists. He understands that a ceasefire
cannot be reached without negotiations with the separatists (whether Russia is present at the
table or not). Unfortunately, negotiations with separatists will be an admission of defeat and
may send a message to other Russian-speaking regions that they too can declare independence
if they want to. Such a turn of events would spell the end of Ukraine as we know it. Realistically,
the military action is the only effective way to combat separatism, there are no other options.
History shows that negotiations with separatists usually lead to more separatism, not less.
But the Kiev government is bankrupt and doesn't have money for a large-scale prolonged military
operation. This is a really tough dilemma for Poroshenko.
The claims by Obama that there are Russian troops or agents in Eastern Ukraine are not supported
by any proof. Nonetheless, Obama, NATO, and some Kiev authorities continue making false accusations.
There are some Russian volunteers, who are acting on their own, but they represent only a tiny
minority of the armed rebels. The East Ukrainian rebels consist of Ukrainian citizens. Thus,
Russia has only limited influence on the separatists. Last week Putin rejected the offer by
DNR to join Russia; he also rejected the request by DNR and LNR to send in Russian troops. (He
did not send a formal response to DNR or LNR; instead he gave an interview on this subject to
Russian and French TV.)
What can Putin do to help Poroshenko? He and Poroshenko may arrange for a safe passage of
the armed rebels to Russia, with guarantees that they will not be prosecuted in Russia if they
lay down their arms and leave Ukraine. Putin may lower the gas price, if Poroshenko guarantees
that Ukraine will not join NATO.
"For me, every day in which people die, every day in which Ukraine pays such a high price,
is unacceptable."
Chocoshenko
A thief, a liar and a hypocrite. The day he "won" the presidency he ordered an all out attack
on Donetsk and announced the conflict was going to be finished "within hours." Now he's promising
the fighting "to end this week." Wonder what his CIA masters told him to do, that's going to
speed the massacre on Easter Ukraine.
He's now changing his tune after calling Eastern Ukrainians "terrorists" and "bandits," to
caring about "every day in which people die." If Chocoshenko would have been a real statesman,
he would have ordered the Ukrainian death-squads out of Eastern Ukraine, and started negotiations
immediately, mediated by the OSCE, the UN, or any other body with legitimacy.
He's just another US/NATOstan puppet, ready to kill his own people to gain the favor of their
Western criminal masters.
It looks like he is now told by his Western masters to change the tune as it has become a little
too embarrassing for our leaders to stand by the killings of people in E Ukraine. And that is
why there are almost no reports by our media of the bombings, artillery fire and other horrid
crimes against Ukrainians in the East - despite having journalists on the ground. It seems that
the "party line" is now not to report any details, show as little as possible. Disgrace.
there are almost no reports by our media of the bombings, artillery fire and other horrid
crimes against Ukrainians in the East - despite having journalists on the ground. It seems
that the "party line" is now not to report any details, show as little as possible. Disgrace.
It is absolutely a disgrace. The UK media silence on the Slavyansk siege and other operations
is now almost total. And yet it has been going on on a daily basis.
The EU will not be able to ignore the legal ramifications.
Several documented actions are in breach of the Geneva Convention. Serious investigation, arrest
warrants and extraditions for prosecution must follow, though of course it will take them an
age.
The evidence is public. Just because it has gone unreported in some countries does not mean
that the atrocities are not common knowledge thanks to the internet.
A refreshing point of view:
Marine Le Pen: The National Front (Front national) interview:
EU political world indifferent to people dying in eastern Ukraine
Why is he committed to an Europe that would not offer the Ukraine a membership? What
a syncophantic sell out.
mauman Nobul
Europe doesn't really want Ukraine (they don't qualify anyway) but they just want to make
sure Russia doesn't get it either. Europe and US actions have not been for Ukraine. Rather against
Russia.
Poroshenko achieving an end to military incursions in East Ukraine is as likely as Cnut ordering
the tide not to come in. It is not Poroshenko who is in charge; his election is a democratic
fig-leaf. Private militias and mercenaries are orchestrating the violence against the rejectionists
in Donetsk and Lugansk. Poroshenko, ultimately, is nobody.
It is not Poroshenko who is in charge; his election is a democratic fig-leaf
You can be sure that US agents are liasing with the west Ukrainian power-brokers who
do count, like Kolomoisky.
On the "other side" there's Firtash, still on bail in Austria I guess, and of course
Akhmetov from whom no sound is heard.
And of course the media has forgotten all about Yanukovych...
Given that all four of these (and others) control such enormous wealth and assets perhaps
their US equivalent oligarchs are all in private negotiation together. Dollars override political
allegiances, nationality even.
well it is now a open secret that america is at war with russia….america is not happy with the
rise of russia…and seeks to contain if not destroy russia…on both sides conventional warfare
s just too destructive….
so economic war is in progress….and a war of proxies in the ukraine…both
sides lie so much that the truth is hard to discern…but the real war front for russia is not
the ukraine but the petro dollar…..one can ask how does a person go about destroying the petro
dollar…
well the destruction of the dollar to some extent is done by the americans themselves by
printing ….running huge deficits... piling on their national debts ... by creating even more
unfunded liabilities
step one….persuade more countries not to use the dollar in trading…think of the brics….
step two create trading blocks that are not overly friendly to america
step 3 buy up huge amounts of gold so that when the dollar is dumped the value of gold
reserves goes up to make up for the loss of dollar holdings.
step 4 create a wedge between america and its friends in europe by charm and subtle
threats….
step 5 find alternative markets for russias only big export energy….like with china
india turkey establish another russian export in addition to energy…..food is a good idea
step 6 the killer blow….wait until the dollar slumps or has a stock market crash….
then together with china flog dollar treasuries and watch your gold holdings shoot into the
stratosphere….short the dollar to say 60 on the dollar index…and the markets will do the rest….the
dollar will collapse petro and all….and because the dollar has been printed to oblivion the
dollars flooding back to america will create havoc to america…bye bye petrodollar and the american
empire….not atomic science….
The USA with every invasion, every occupation, every bombing,
every Regime Change they organise; they conspire to steal the foreign reserves, the gold bullion
reserves and other natural resources of the country in which their puppet has (will be) been
installed!
Almost 25% of the world's total GDP was generated by the USA in 2014
25 years ago it was. It's down to 19.3% (2013 latest figures).
The risk (one of the risks) the US faces is the huge size of foreign owned debt. It's
a much more fragile situation than you would probably want to admit.
US rulers have gambled on a strategy of threat and violence instead of cooperation and mutual
benefit. Meanwhile the US social infrastructure continues to decline as the military-security
behemoth consumes ever more and the elite offshore both jobs and profits.
It's not a winning hand and the stake the rulers are going "all in" with is the future livelihoods
of millions of Americans. Most people outside of the American media bubble can see the gigantic
bluff for what it is, including observers in Moscow and Beijing.
Unbelievable but true. Worrying about Russia, Putin takes out Europe of the loop draped US!
In conversation with Obama, Merkel and EU leaders he bluntly stated that Russia has its own
interests in Ukraine:
Do not allow the entry of Ukraine into NATO.
Anti-fascism development in the country and the struggle against Russophobian ideology.
Preventing Genocide of the Russian population of South-East.
Suppose immediately after the referendum in Donetzk the Kremlin would introduce troops to
the South-East of Ukraine . This immediately caused consolidation the EU with the U.S. and Russia
would get a kick awesome power.
Today, the situation is fundamentally different. The U.S. is trying to bend the EU, under
its own interests, and the EU is trying to sabotage the orders of Washington.
Moreover, the European business elite put tougher pressure on the political authorities,
demanding to abandon anti-Russian sanctions.
America really wanted to see entering the Russian troops in Ukraine that would allow Washington
to force the EU to sign the American version of the Transatlantic trade and investment partnership.
This trade pact would turn the EU into an appendage of the U.S. economy.
As a result, after entering the Russian troops in Ukraine we would get the following political
configuration:
Russia weakened by the real sanctions, Europe is the U.S. semi-colony, America is the master
of the situation in the European economic and military-political space.
U.S. is well aware that time is on Putin. Therefore they provoke Moscow to reckless escalation
of the situation.
The Ukrainian president, Petro Poroshenko, has used his inaugural address to stress that
the country would not give up Crimea...Poroshenko said: "Crimea was, is, and will be Ukrainian."
He was greeted with a standing ovation.
In related news, millions of women proclaimed they would not give up George Clooney to Amal Alamuddin.
He stressed the unity of Ukraine, which is fighting a pro-Russian separatist uprising in
the east, and said it would not become a federalised state as advocated by Moscow.
Perhaps Poroshenko is unaware the official name of Crimea, when part of Ukraine, was The Autonomous
Republic of Ukraine?
iow, Ukraine already was "federalised".
There are two kinds of leaders I don't like: those who are stupid, and those who think everyone
else is.
Dr. Stephen Cohen, a Russia scholar and longtime contributing editor at The Nation, laments what
he perceives to be the absence of debate over US policy towards Ukraine. "The mainstream media has
deleted people such as myself who are arguing for a change of policy," he says. Appearing here on
The Thom Hartmann Program, Cohen reviews the competing narratives as to what sparked the crisis
in Ukraine and what it would take to end it. He argues that we should desist from Manichean posturing
and engage with the possibility that the US does indeed bear some responsibility for the ongoing
violence. Forcing the question of US culpability into public discourse is essential, he says, "because
if we're half at fault, and Russia's half at fault, that's the beginning of a negotiation."
On the still-gritty streets of the Maidan, the epicenter of the anti-government protest movement,
activists still live in tents and tourists light candles at makeshift shrines to dead protesters.
But several people there said they believed Poroshenko would be different from previous leaders.
"I trust him to find a compromise with Russia. But if he lies to us, people will be really disappointed,"
said Oksana Petrulyak, an elementary school teacher who was ushering her 13-year-old son past an
array of photos of fallen protesters.
Petrulyak said she was discussing politics recently with a friend who opined that Ukraine has
had the government it deserves.
"No," she said with anger, "we're a hardworking, intelligent people. It's shameful what we've
gone through. Pity our people."
Victor Moscow, 3:26 PM EDT,
Poroshenko is eager to satisfy expectations of all high ranking visitors to Ukraine who are
dictating him how to act. For the moment the Ukrainian army is still bombarding Slavyansk by
aviation, artillery, hellfire destroying and killing hundreds of civilians. See Alvis Internet
quotation below. In Internet you may find air raid by the bombers. WP nothing says that all
refugees (around 10,000) rush to Russia for a shelter and food and medical care as the city
is blocked and no supply comes in.
Texas Elvis
Considering that the Washington Posts own headline for this article reads "Ukrainian President
calls an end to war" I think we can definitely say that either the Ukrainian President is full
of BS or the Washington Post is.......as this video from yesterday shows the results of fresh
shelling of civilian areas in Slavyansk by that very same president and his Right Sector pro-nazi
forces.
Obviously someone is not telling the truth. How can these people and media outlets continue
to attempt to get away with blatant lying when video evidence is all over the internet proving
the truth of the matter? It's dumbfounding and proof that the US needs to wake up. We are the
ones being manipulated by our media.
Paroxisia, 1:57 PM EDT
What they do not say here and show is that Kiev is bombing East Ukraine indiscriminately
at this point and this is not from RT. Ukrainian soldiers are executing people even in hospitals
and Kiev is lying through their teeth
Texas Elvis
Read em and weep...it doesn't matter what voting percentages were when the Ukranian government
is outright parading these gyuys in front of the cameras. They proudly wave their pro nazi flag
in this video. This is their new US paid for Swat tactical outfits complete with nazi ceremony
and nazi lightning strike flag at the 2:34 mark. Who would think the US and EU would be paying
to outfit these guys on the anniversary of D-Day 70 years later? We truly have gone down the
rabbit hole.
DELewes, 10:40 AM EDT
It never ceases to amaze me when Putin apologists ignore the facts to blame anyone and everyone
other than Putin and his AstroTurf separatists for the bloodshed in Ukraine.
They ignore the fact that Russian nationals are killing Ukrainians on Ukrainian soil, using
civilians as human shields by taking up firing positions on apartment buildings, on behalf of
Putin's AstroTurf Separatists at Putin's behest. They ignore the fact that the government of
Ukraine has been in dialogue with the people in the East regarding their concerns and desire
with regard to Constitutional Reforms before the AstroTurf uprising.
Do you have any proof that Putin is sending Russian nationals- to fight in Ukraine? The link
you've provided doesn't confirm this allegation you make.
Kleonid, 11:40 AM EDT
Do you really want get proofs where is not? If there would be some solid proofs, then West
already in all newspapers from day to day replay the facts, but there is not such facts.
Some anti-Russian troll very like their picture of the world, so they prefer do not see facts.
For them if is no fact that Crimea was separate and join to Russia bloodless and on will
Crimean's people, they without facts continue name it annexation.
The peoples just murderous they seat on the forum and protect killing peoples by Kiev's government,
so if the people support killings in Ukraine, they also are murderous, only in less degree.
It is their nature, just see how it was in Iraq, Afganistan, Kosovo, Livia.
Professor Stephen Cohen discussing Ukraine with Thom Hartmann. Two of America's most enlightened
intellectuals go through the US involvement in Ukraine and what it means for the world.
Poroshenko proved to be an average, clueless, jingoistic politician, more akin to US marionette
that to a person who managed to amass huge fortune. Quote "Rich middle-aged people who will never
have to do any actual fighting themselves are always the most belligerent." "All the war-propaganda,
all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting." -George Orwell.
"Yes here's an example of US and EU Doublethink: Assad bombs his own people. He is a very bad man; Poroshenko
bombs his own people. He is a very good man.
Rich middle-aged people who will never have to do any actual fighting themselves are always
the most belligerent.
AfroJoe dawkinsbulldog
Absolutely right: Nixon, Regan, Thatcher, Blair, Bush, Cameron, Putin... I see no exceptions
to the rule.
The more things change, the more they stay the same!
ocixem2 dawkinsbulldog
"All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people
who are not fighting." -George Orwell
wellbeingb4dolla ocixem2
Yes here's an example of US and EU Doublethink
Assad bombs his own people. He is a very bad man
Poroshenko bombs his own people. He is a very good man.
Babeouf,07 June 2014 11:17am
The Chocolate Soldier speech is just a restatement of the previous regimes reasons for their
war on the East. It offers 'Peace' if the rebels in the East surrender. Now perhaps this
is just a negotiating position. But if the attacks by the Ukrainian military on the rebels
continue then this is evidence that a negotiated peace is not the aim but victory is . And perhaps
a Chocolate Soldier is likely to find this illusory idea of victory initially attractive.
adognow -> Babeouf,07 June 2014 12:05pm
Naturally, Poroshenko and his coup lackeys find it difficult to defeat the eastern Ukrainian
militia on the field of battle, so he's resorting to demands of surrender.
Which is patently stupid. Why would the eastern Ukrainians surrender and be at the mercy
of the Ukrainian junta's rightwing paramilitaries?
jgbg -> Babeouf,07 June 2014 12:14pm
The shelling and air strikes have continued during and since Poroshenko's inauguration. As
with previous talk of peace by the Ukrainians, it is just talk.
Why don't they understand that every shell, rocket or bomb landing in Slaviansk, Donetsk,
Lugansk, etc. simply pulls the people of Novorussia together and brings more recruits to the
militias? Even if they can win these battles, the Ukrainian side will never be safe in Novorussia
- they would be seen as occupiers by the population and could expect could expect ongoing attacks
against their authority.
They cannot win.
SvQMedia
There are so many things wrong with this Petroshenko/Ukraine situation.
It should be none of our business but the Ukraine is now a US/EU client state and Mr P another
client stooge who simply has to read the CIA scripts.
The US/EU/NATO axis knows that this will lead to war with Russia as Mr Putin is not the guy
to meddle with.
We know that Obama is not really in charge coming to the end of his second term but this
is warmongering on a global scale.
peekaboo
"Petro Poroshenko uses inaugural address for pledge on Crimea and offer amnesty to separatists
and nationalists"
And what about prosecutions against those behind the atrocities in Odessa, and elsewhere
by the regime's thugs and death squads? Obama, Barroso etc and their supporting media channels
are silent
third_eye
His inexperience shows. If there should be the slightest chance of recovering Crimea, it's
not through megaphone diplomacy. Proshenko's has publicly thrown his lot in with the West and
given that the Ukrainian situation is from done and dusted, I'm not sure whether that's a wise
move. Perhaps, like the unelected rulers of Kiev, he's effectively weakened or even compromised
himself to the West, especially the US. If that's the case, it's a position from which he'll
never be able to extricate himself without losing his presidency.
His public statements in recent days don't augur well for a diplomatic solution. One only
hopes that he's not taking instructions from Washington or Brussels. If he is, we're probably
in for a very long war of attrition in which there'll be one loser, Ukraine.
NWObserver third_eye
Poroshenko can't act too fast or the West will find an excuse to replace him. Crimea is a
closed chapter. But he has to make all the noises of no consequence while taking concrete steps
to defuse the situation in Donbass. Russia won't be worried about empty rhetoric like getting
Crimea back. If it earns Poroshenko some brownie points at home, no problem.
Sooner or later he will be faced with the task of replacing the government. At that point
of time he needs the support of as many Ukrainians as he can get, because the West is not going
to make it easy for him to do so.
third_eye NWObserver
NWO...Good analysis. Well done!
I think he's in a no-win situation. If he tow's the western line, Ukraine will find the road
to recovery long and hard. If he compromises with Russia and endangers the West's geo-political
goal of securing Ukraine for the West, he'll be engineered out of his presidency in the blink
of an eye.
third_eye
If Proshenko persists with his hawkish position in regard Crimea, he'll only force Russia
to ensure that eastern Ukraine becomes a buffer zone between Crimea and western Ukraine. This
chap seems rather prone to shooting from the hips...as evidenced by sending troops into eastern
Ukraine and now making uncompromising public statements which leave little to no room for a
diplomatic process. I think someone should quickly tell him that running a country at war is
different from running a chocolate factory.
loveminuso
So now the Western NeoCons are going to use their Crimean 'Ace' to drive the poor people
of the Ukraine into a Syrian-style mass murder Project for profit. These 'people' will flatten
the Ukraine to get what they want and will murder poor people in their 1000's.
How can the Civilized, reasonable People in the West Allow this? They will be using your
taxes and blood to drive their Hostile Corporate take-over of Ukraine forward, and only the
Western taxpayers and voters can stop their Public Employees/Servants from committing this premeditated
crime against Humanity. The law won't.
EbbTide64, 07 June 2014 11:49am
The Ukrainian president, Petro Poroshenko, has used his inaugural address to stress that
the country would not give up Crimea
He's delusional if he thinks Russia will hand back Crimea, including the huge Sevastopol
Russian naval base, to a US-owned Ukraine.
So is he going to declare war on Russia, for not handing Crimea back?
loveminuso EbbTide64
There's a fucking huge war coming...and no Western NeoCon and their families will be hurt
in the making of this production. That's the problem with war...there are no direct personal
consequences for those cowards who create and manage them from behind the scenes.
Hottentot EbbTide64
Agree, and as Putin said some months ago to Kiev, 'are you mad' - they are, and they will
lose.
JANNERBOB
Poroshenko is held up by strings, the West working his left hand,Fascists working his
right hand and Washington working his voice box.
His free will and spine have been removed at the gates of power.Ukraine is officially a financial
and political basket case.The Crimean's will never want to return to the abomination that Ukraine
has become and who can blame them.
Sergei Konyushenko
Poroshenko also said he intended to sign the economic part of an association agreement
with the European Union, as a first step towards full membership.
It's quite a questionable step,this means economic slavery. absolute takeover on resources,
fracking, austerity without any serious obligations from the EU side. And as far as i know there's
a bunch of associated states, that never has any chance to become a member. EU needs no Ukraine,
it need it's resources, making German trashcan consumer out of Ukraine.
If you could look at conditions Poland was invited, and what was proposed to Ukraine in comparison,
it's appalling.
Ukraine is not even capable to pay for the gas it consumes, almost 60 percent of it's GDP is
dependent on trade ties with Russia, it has no resources to adapt to EU norms and standards,
and have no access to a cheap financial sources, hence it has no opportunity to make any breakthrough,
like Poland was allowed to.
Corcoran
Behind all of this seems to be a huge plan to weaken Europe in order to boost the dying Empire.
Russia, backed by China, simply cannot be brought to heel. Even the biggest tool understands
this. The only aim here seems to be to wreak destruction in central and probably Western Europe
so that American goods can be flogged afterwards.
KarlNaylor75
"Citizens of Ukraine will never enjoy the beauty of peace unless we settle down our relations
with Russia. Russia occupied Crimea, which was, is, and will be Ukrainian soil"
Ukraine needed a conciliatory president but Poroshenko has set back the prospect of there
being a peace process and continued down a political path that can only end in open civil war.
There is no realistic possibility of Ukraine regaining Crimea from Russia militarily and NATO
would not help.
Federalisation would have been the only way to contain the rebels in the eastern regions.
By failing to distance himself from far right Ukrainian nationalists in positions of power-or
remove them-and by deciding on a military solution to defeating the eastern militias the civil
war is set to continue.
With the Ukrainian air force using non guided rockets to attack the regional administrative
building in Luhansk, killing eight civilians, attitudes are starting to polarise with opinion
in the eastern regions hardening against Kiev. With no constitutional settlement, Kiev is determined
to use force to crush 'separatists'
The next mistake Poroshenko made is to go ahead with signing the economic part of an association
agreement with the European Union. All membership of western economic and military organisations
should have been off the table until the new constitutional position of the eastern regions
was agreed.
Miners and workers in the Donbass region know that IMF and EU reforms could mean the destruction
of their livelihoods and a break with the economic ties with Russia that provide guaranteed
markets would mean penury and being thrown on the scrapheap.
The reason why the referendum on independence for the Donbass was rushed through in May 2014
was in response to the fear that Kiev was trying to ram through 'reforms' without their consent
and without considering the economic interests of the workers in the east.
The double standards are plain. Whereas the western regions of Ukraine, where far right nationalists
rule, were able in February 2014 to gain a measure of regional autonomy when it feared Kiev
was not pursuing policies in its interests, any such autonomy for the east in a federal Ukraine
is rejected.
Poroshenko by trying to move Ukraine decisively into the west -and the EU-is only going to
alienate eastern Ukrainians even more as it seems that western Ukrainian ultra-nationalists
are pandered to but those whose economic interests are connected to Russia are not important
in any 'new' Ukraine.
As Anatol Lieven puts it, since Ukrainian independence 1991 it was obvious that 'Ukraine
contains different identities, and cannot be ruled unilaterally by one of them alone, or pulled
in a single geopolitical direction, without risking the breakup of the country itself'.
Since the Odessa Massacre, in which Right Sector paramilitaries played a role, and the growing
determination of Kiev to use military means to crush eastern militias it has become apparent,
that a good number of eastern civilians would not tolerate a Ukraine defined as only pro-West
and anti-Russian.
President Poroshenko has as yet failed to get rid of senior officials in Ukrainian National
Security and Defence Council such as Andriy Parubiy or Right Sector's Dmytro Yarosh. Without
that, civilians in the eastern regions are not going to feel that a Ukrainian army would not
be one of occupation.
Should the Ukrainian army kill scores more eastern civilians, then the possibility of the
majority of civilians in the Donbass wanting to remain as part of a federal Ukraine could evaporate
and the demand for independence gain traction. Then the way would be open to a Yugoslavian scale
civil war.
WearyofthisSht
The Ukrainian language will remain the only official language in Ukraine, Ukrainian President
Petro Poroshenko said.
"Living in a new way means that you cannot ignore the people's will, and living freely means
speaking freely in the native language and being guided by Article 10 of the Constitution, which
stipulates that the Ukrainian language is the only official language."
Didn't take long for Poroshenko to let S.E. Ukraine know what he thinks of their language rights.
Zippydoo
"Why don't they understand that every shell, rocket or bomb landing in Slaviansk, Donetsk,
Lugansk, etc. simply pulls the people of Novorussia together and brings more recruits to the
militias? "
I believe that it the whole point. If you look at the track record of the Nato/US aggression
around the world on behalf of their masters, they need to create an enemy to retaliate against.
Then they can complete the Ukrainian land grab, the IMF can do ongoing looting, pillaging and
military bases can be built next door to Russia - ready for the next step.
lids
Fairly obvious what is going on here. Europe wants an end to this nonsense and an end to
violence which requires an accommodation with Putin, whereas Neocons want Putin's head on a
stake. Poroshenko is a puppet of the CIA/Neocon agenda.
This can only mean one thing folks. Putin will be forced into military action, because the
supine european leaders are not prepared to stop Obama and his warmongering advisers.
NWObserver -> lids
Poroshenko may not be the Western puppet that many imagine him to be. He may keep barking
to keep the West and their puppets happy, but unlikely to bite.
The West has no choice to but back him as long as he keeps saying the things they want him
to. It will be interesting to see their reaction when he dismisses the Western appointed interim
government and appoints his own, to consolidate his hold.
lids
As ever Saker sees it for what it is;
Poroshenko's inauguration speech has sent a message to Novorossiia and Russia:
No federalization
No state status for the Russian language
No recognition of the Novorossian political leadership
Full and unconditional surrender of the Novorossian Defense Forces
Crimea will forever belong to the Ukraine.
He could not have been any clearer: that is basically a declaration of war and an ultimatum.
This is also a full endorsement of the "Banderastan project".
Clearly, the US has prevailed over the hoplessly spineless EU leaders like Merkel or Hollande
and the AngloZionists will have their way.
I must leave my computer for the next 12 hours and I cannot write a full analysis of Poroshenko's
decision to fully follow the US line, but I will say that two things appear inevitable now:
a Russian military intervention in Novorossia followed by the Cold War v2 the AngloZionists
wanted so badly.
Up until this moment the European colonies still had a chance to avoid a future
which will hurt them much more than it will hurt the US or Russia, but they could not even muster
the willpower to protect their own vital interests.
I am disgusted beyond words.
Oilyheart lids
VineyardSaker is right, if the Chocolatier really means it, then this is a recipe for ethnic
cleansing, which will force a Russian intervention.
Vlad Tatarsky
Considering the fact that the percentage of Russian population in Crimea is even higher than
in Donetsk and Lugansk it would be difficult to separate it again from Russia. After all that
experience of being ruled from Kiev the local Russians won't be so passive as in 1991 during
the next attempt. Also the language of cannons used by Kiev on the East would hardly encourage
anybody in Crimea, even Ukrainians and Tatars.
BTW it is quite a time since the last Guardian news from Lugansk region! Nothing happens
there, or it is better not to mention hundreds of killed civilians, destroyed homes and schools,
tens of thousands refugees with children having crossed Ukrainian-Russia border since the elections
won by Piotr Poroshenko? Such a drastic difference in coverage compared with Russian war in
Chechnya!
There is much doubt over the legality of this transfer as there was a requirement for a referendum
which was never carried out and the Supreme Soviet was inquorate.
Khrushchev said that those who signed the document must have been suffering from sunstroke
or hangovers.
This would mean legally Crimea was and still is a republic and is part of the Russian Federation.
Ukraine has no legal claim.
If NATO controlled the Crimea, Washington would get the prize of the Russian Black Sea Fleet's
port of Sevastapol.
Within 200 nautical miles of the Crimean shoreline there is an estimated 45 trillion cubic
meters of gas reserves and hydrocarbons. The Black Sea shelf could yield as much as 1.5 billion
cubic meters per year. Which could also explain Washington's sabre rattling.
GuyGagne, 07 June 2014 1:00pm
The refusal to renounce a territorial claim to Crimea is perfectly understandable. The seizure
of Ukraine military bases and infrastructure by Russian troops, who had left the bases where
they were entitled remain, was an illegal action. The outcome of the Crimean secession referendum
may have represented the will of the people, but it was conducted during an illegal occupation.
Of course, there was an anti-constitutional violent coup in Kiev, supported and encouraged
by America and Europe (who turned a blind eye to the fascist thugs, acting as the Maidan footsoldiers.)
And yes, Crimea was historically part of Russia. But none of this matters, because if we wish
for international law to exist in reality, rather than as a weapon to be wielded only by the
corrupt West against its enemies, then Russia must always respect the borders of other sovereign
nations. Russia didn't respect Ukraine's territorial integrity, so we are left with no ideals
or principles being defended on either side, which is very sad.
Anyway, beside his refusal to accept the new status quo in Crimea (which anyone could
have expected), Poroshenko appears to be trying to escalate the conflict, not defuse it (again,
not a surprise when you understand those who are his masters, and their agenda for the world.)
He will move towards full membership of the EU. He hasn't announced a cease fire, and he
refuses to talk with the separatist leaders. Wonderful.
GuyGagne GuyGagne, 07 June 2014 1:06pm
Oh and he says no to federalisation also, so absolutely no concessions or compromises on
the table whatsoever.
lids GuyGagne, 07 June 2014 1:07pm
Putin's occupation/referendum of Crimea took Washington completely by surprise because in
their view only they are allowed to ignore international law. In all reality international law
does not count for much if you take a look at everything that has happened in the last 15 years
or so.
Putin could always use Kosovo as a precedent and that is the danger of US/Nato ignoring international
conventions for human rights....
Take a look at Libya otherwise known as Mad Max World, Nato intervention there for yuman
rights over international law. You'd think someone in the West was strong enough to stand up
to Obama, but no, now we are headed for Cold War 2.
johnnydoe, 07 June 2014 1:02pm
In his inaugural speech he did not say anything new, just repeated what Turchinov and
Co have been saying (no amnesty for the DNR rebels, no federated Ukraine, no state status for
the Russian language). The civil war will continue.
AndreyR2008 putin_the_fabulous
The only state language in Ukraine is Ukrainian. All other languages are foreign languages
and are limited in use according to Ukrainian laws (should not be used as language of instruction
during teaching, TV broadcast and other mass media). All TV channels in Russian language are
banned. All radio channels in Russian language are banned.
lids
"Russia might pretend try to get a UNSC resolution supporting a peacemaking operation of
the CSTO in the Ukraine, if only just to make sure that all legal options have been exhausted.
Then I would expect to see a no-fly zone declared over the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, combined
with the opening, by force if needed (it will), of humanitarian corridors towards these regions.
At this point I expect the Ukie junta to fold and run, but if some units do not, they will be
destroyed. The purely military phase of this intervention will take no more than 24 hours and
will more or less stop at the administrative border between the Lugansk and Donetsk regions
and the Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk and Zaporozhie regions. If directly threatened, of course, Russian
forces could strike deeper inside the rest of the Ukraine, targeting missile/artillery positions
or enemy airpower (in the air or on the ground). At this point I would expect some EU leader
to do what Sakozy did in 08.08.08 and travel to Moscow to agree to a ceasefire which Moscow
would accept. Once the situation in the Donbass is more or less stabilized, I would expect Russia
to pull out most of Russian forces, probably "forgetting a few "goodies" here and there, not
unlike what happened in South Ossetia. Finally, and especially if the EU continues to allow
the US to imposed its insane and counter-productive foreign policy (or what passes for it) on
Europe, I would expect Russia to recognize the People's Republic of Novorossia and provide it
with security guarantees (again, the model of Ossetia and Abkhazia applies).
Again, I would prefer if a solution could be found without an overt Russian military intervention,
but obviously that does not depend on me. The Americans are stuck, they have failed at everything,
and they have no other choice than to engage in a idiotic media campaign to convince the world
that "Putin has blinked" and that "Obama is a tough President". This is quite ridiculous, of
course, as this is not about a John Wayne style "blinking exercise" but about the future of
the European continent. But the European politicians are so corrupt, so spineless, so mediocre
and so incompetent (remember how Boris Johnson, Mayor of London called some of them "great supine
protoplasmic invertebrate jellies"?)
lids
Interesting backdrop to the proposed sanctions that will harm Europe just as much as Russia.
ECB dropped bank interest rate to negative this week because EU economy is tanking still.. There
is going to be a hell of a fight between Obomber and Europe about agreeing these sanctions.
Economic suicide even. Wonder what EU leaders will get for their "cooperation"
Poroshenko also said he intended to sign the economic part of an association agreement
with the European Union, as a first step towards full membership.
Barely a few weeks into his presidency and already Willy Wonka is promising far more than
he can (or is willing to) deliver to Ukrainians.
Crimea has bolted and there is no way Crimea will return to Ukraine if the majority of Crimeans
have any say in the matter. The fact that the Kyivsters have turned off the water supply to
Crimea has dissipated any remaining positive feeling the Crimeans might have had for their former
government.
Poroshenko is disingenuous about Crimea being an essential part of Ukraine. The peninsula
was given to Ukraine in 1954 to mark the 300th anniversary of the Treaty of Pereyaslavl when
Bohdan Khmelnitski agreed to form an alliance with Russia against the Tatars and Ottomans, to
draw Ukrainians away from aiding former Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera still at large and
to make administration of the (then recently constructed) canal supplying fresh water from Ukraine
to Crimea easier. The transfer was done without debate or a referendum taking place in the Soviet
parliament of the time.
If Poroshenko is unwilling to consider a federal Ukraine and to include pro-Russian separatists
in a dialogue to resolve the crisis in eastern Ukraine, then he should reconsider whether to
continue as president or not. Unless everyone has a place at the negotiation table, all efforts
to deal with the crisis will come to nothing.
Poroshenko should know also that the EU does not intend to offer Ukraine full EU membership
unless and until Ukraine adopts all the conditions and accedes to all demands by the EU and
IMF to adhere to an austerity regime, throw open its markets and drop all tariffs to EU imports,
and change all its regulations and standards at the cost of several billion euros that the country
can ill afford. He has in effect committed Ukraine to running on an endless hamster wheel in
a cage the parameters of which will be changed continuously by the EU so no matter how hard
Ukrainians are forced to run, they will never quite catch up.
For their part, The Guardian staff have already forgotten recent history: Russia did not
annex Crimea, the Crimeans ran to Russia; and Yanukovych was never pro-Russian - his weakness
was to try to play the EU and Russia off each other in a way that he could benefit from - nor
was he forced to leave Ukraine by street protests but by violence from mysterious snipers shooting
at both Berkut and Maidan protesters. The Guardian does itself no honour by deliberately whitewashing
Ukraine and blackening Russia with such po-faced writing.
Kaiama
Leaving morals and legalities aside, I don't see anything optimistic.
Kiev will not get Kiev back. It is just an "excuse" stick to beat Russia with. The people
there would prefer to stay as part of the Russian Federation as they proved when they voted.
As far as I can see no-one is occupying buildings, police stations and city administration buildings.
And no-one in Crimea is calling for a referendum to rejoin Ukraine. The only people who want
Ukraine back are the Kiev government and their US backers (its now night vision goggles, radios
and body armour, not just MREs). Notice how by paying for all the non violent stuff the US frees
up the remaining Ukrainian budget to be spent exclusively on ammunition.
Next, Donetsk and Lugansk. Contrary to the absurd and wildly optimistic claims coming from
Kiev, it seems that they are in the process of losing complete control over the Eastern Ukraine
and a lot of military hardware. Its difficult to know the precise situation but it is clear
that the Ukrainian Border Guards haven't "closed" 8 border crossings, but run away from them
leaving control to the separatists. Poroshenko has effectively given them an offer of "amnesty"
if they (a) haven't "got blood on their hands" (whatever that means) and (b) they lay down their
arms. Poroshenko gave no undertaking to stop Kiev's military operations. The separatists have
been constantly attacked and no-one can seriously expect them to put down their arms with loads
of rabid western Ukrainian National Guard and mercenary (paid for by Kiev's oligarchs) units
roaming around. Only a few days ago Poroshenko was saying that he was going to crush the separatists
and that the operation would be accelerated. It doesn't look like compromise and dialogue to
me. The Eastern Ukraine will never be the same again, and, I suspect, will forge its own way
in the world, separate from Kiev. If the Eastern Ukraine stays in a Unitary Ukraine, it will
be devastated by (a) auterity (it can't compete with European efficiency) and (b) losing its
membership of the CIS customs union which allows goods to flow without duties both ways. If
it get duty free trade with the EU then Russia will be forced to implement the same duty regime
for Ukraine (to avoid goods flowing to Russia "import duty free"). This will also devastate
Eastern Industry. The East would, economically, be better off with Russia because this will
preserve its most important export market.
So, in summary, the Ukraine has been bankrupted by its oligarch political class, and will
be economically destroyed by the EU/US encouraged Kiev "government". I've seen Greece and Spain.
Ukraine will be next but 10x bigger.
siesta
USA's delegation to Porochenko's inauguration:
The Honorable Joseph R. Biden, Jr., Vice President of the United States, will be the
head of the delegation.
Other participants:
The Honorable Geoffrey R. Pyatt, United States Ambassador to Ukraine, Department of State
The Honorable John McCain, United States Senator, Arizona
The Honorable Ron Johnson, United States Senator, Wisconsin
The Honorable Chris Murphy, United States Senator, Connecticut
The Honorable Marcia "Marcy" Kaptur, Member of the United States House of Representatives
(OH-9)
The Honorable Daniel B. Baer, United States Representative to the Organization for Security
and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), Department of State
The Honorable Victoria Nuland, Assistant Secretary for European and Eurasian Affairs,
Department of State
In the absence of adequate journalism/news blackout here is the sitrep for June 5. How many
people were aware that nazi death squads murdered dozens of already injured Donbas soldiers
in their hospital beds?
June 5th combat SITREP update by "Juan"
Красный Лиман Krasni Liman was taken by Ukraine Army and national guard 04 June 2014.
Replacement Mi24 attack helicopters have arrived in Ukraine as replacements for the Ukraine
Army losses in Donbas. Confirmed.
Strong bombardments Slavyansk City and outlying towns and villages commenced 05:00 local time
05.06.2014. Civilian casualties unknown.
National guard/right sector entered Railroad Hospital Krasni Liman and shot dead 37 wounded
Donbas Army soldiers and civilians and at least 1 hospital worker. Confirmed.
Air and artillery bombardments Krasni Liman cause strong civilian casualties 04.06.2014.
List of dead air attack on Lugansk Administration Building:
Kostjukov Vladimir Andreyevich,1971 (regional administration)
Corn Inna (regional administration)
Giza Alexander (regional administration)
Unidentified woman
Dolzenko Nina 1955 (regional administration)
Polezhaev Sergey 1964 (regional administration)
Natalia Arkhipova (regional administration)
Cerkez Galina 1967 (regional administration)
Confirmed reports national guard/right sector random shooting civilians Krasni Liman and searching
residences.
Border Guard Headquarters and one military base taken by Donbas Army 04.06.2014. Large amounts
of weapons and ammunition captured in both bases. Border Guard HQ prisoners allowed to change
to civilian clothes and leave base. Prisoners from military base unknown if allowed to leave
after surrender.
Name, rank and unit of Ukraine pilot SU25 attacked Lugansk Administration Building known. Complete
conversation of pilot with control before, during and after attack recorded by Donbas Army.
Beelza
If the EU/Americans opt for stage 3 sectoral sanctions ... Well Putin is not backing down.
Did you see the look on Putler's face during the group pictures yesterday. It was a look of
revulsion, utter contempt. The only time I saw him somewhat interested was during the group
photos, on the steps, and he was watching the Queen trip nearly to her death. He had a slight
break in his lips. I think Prince Charles may have been drunk. I've never, ever, seen him have
so many robustful belly laughs.
Now that Poroshenko has delivered his speech, I find this curious. Was Putin misinformed
about Poroshenko's "approach"? Or was Putin providing misinformation, as a way to set expectations?
I can't imagine that Putin or others in Russia find much to like in Poroshenko's speech.
RT's coverage seems subdued. (
http://rt.com/news/164412-poroshenko-ukraine-president-swear/
) Much of the language we see here in TG are absent from RT ("combative speech"). RT doesn't
even mention Crimea, which is obviously providing a lot of fodder for the Comments here. TG
doesn't mention that Poroshenko broke into Russia at one point.
All very curious. Wondering what others think.
loveminuso
07 June 2014 2:34pm
We'll after this declaration of war by the Candy Man on the poor People of Ukraine (I'm not
Russian or Ukrainian – Mr Dad is an American Expat), I humbly beg the awesome People of the
most powerful culture on Earth to reign in their Elected Public Servants/Employees please -
the American Patriots, the Firemen and Women, the First Responders, the Brave American Veterans
and serving soldiers, the small business owners, the American workers and teachers from everywhere,
the American Christians and those who have the freedom of other thought, the American Celebrities
and lastly, the American Poet. Help these people…they are not criminals and have a right to
life like you and me…Give them a voice! In God I trust…Amen.
The position on Crimea is a negotiating position only, it is not going back.
The repatriation of Crimea with Russia was a logical step to the Kiev coup.
The USA's own research after the referendum shows that Crimeans are happy with the result:
"For their part, Crimeans seem content with their annexation by Russia. Overwhelming majorities
say the March 16th referendum was free and fair (91%) and that the government in Kyiv ought
to recognize the results of the vote (88%)."
If Crimeans want to be part of Russia, who cares what Obama, Cameron, Poroshenko, or even
Queen Victoria Nuland think.
irgun777
Poroshenko language is not different than the leaders from
Svoboda .
No federation -nationalistic approach,nothing to do with
the reality on the ground or the will of the people in the East. Even before the referendum
they consistently voted in all 5 independent elections for Pro Russian candidates.
He offers amnesty without guarantee of the rights of the Russian
people to use officially their own language,to have their schools
and institutions. All these were reduced dramatically under
Svoboda control of the Education Ministry. They also introduced taxes on Russian cultural products
as books and arts- Wiki
Poroshenko appears sad . He has enough experience as a former Foreign Minister and Chair
of Defence to know that an independent from Russia and NATO federation is the only solution
of the crisis. Then he can invite Crimea to join.
However his power is limited . There is to much nationalistic and outside pressure.
DrKropotkin irgun777
I think his lack of independent line is very telling. The thugs (Right Sector, Svoboda,
etc,) hold the true power in Ukraine. They got no more than their own membership to vote
for them in the election, but they still hold high level government posts. And now the new president
speaks their words. I saw an act were Tyahnybok drinks a glass of water while the president
outlines Ukraine's new policy for cleansing the West of "organised-mosovite-jewery".
The Ukrainian president, Petro Poroshenko, has used his inaugural address to stress that
the country would not give up Crimea...Poroshenko said: "Crimea was, is, and will be Ukrainian."
He was greeted with a standing ovation.
In related news, millions of women proclaimed they would not give up George Clooney to Amal
Alamuddin.
He stressed the unity of Ukraine, which is fighting a pro-Russian separatist uprising
in the east, and said it would not become a federalised state as advocated by Moscow.
Perhaps Poroshenko is unaware the official name of Crimea, when part of Ukraine, was The
Autonomous Republic of Ukraine? iow, Ukraine already was "federalised".
There are two kinds of leaders I don't like: those who are stupid, and those who think
everyone else is.
Obama has learned nothing it seems. Last time it was a redline, this time its a deadline. While
Obama's issuing threats he can't back up why doesn't he demand Russia disband it's military
and offer one of Biden's other sons a position on the Gazprom board? I mean why not go for a
big ask since it's a bluff anyway? When the president keeps making silly ultimatums the enforcement
of which do nothing to advance US national security he shouldn't later be able to claim that
failure to fulfill his chest thumping threats will result in the decline of US credibility.
It's Obama's credibility in question, but for me his credibility was dead and buried long ago.
the president keeps making silly ultimatums the enforcement of which do nothing to
advance US national security
Re Obama's - and others such as Rasmussen, Cameron/Hague's - bullish statements, deadlines,
redlines etc.
The reality of such statements changes subtly depending on who one thinks the target audience
is.
[As an aside: one of the Wikileaks cables is from Kissinger to Pinochet along the lines of
"Don't worry about the negative things I said about you (iirc it was in the UN) that was just
for the media"]
Given that until recently many articles used to refer to the frequency of contacts between
Kerry and Lavrov I really don't think that the anti-Russian "bullhorn" from Washington is genuinely
intended as a message to the Kremlin. It is us, citizens of US-UK, who are the intended audience.
The management of our perception as regards Russia is an ongoing and very well resourced operation.
"Public opinion" is the target and, more broadly European political attitude to both the
economic damage that will result (to Europe but not to the US) from escalating the economic
war on Russia as well as to the impending TTIP agreement. A schism in EU-Russian trade and
the reduction in democratic regulation of US corporations are the objectives.
Absolutely the last thing that the leaders of US-UK and their "national (corporate) interests"
want is a de-escalation of the violent factionalism so carefully nurtured in the east.
Poroshenko could have instigated instant de-escalation by withdrawing the heavy armour in
the east, gradually reducing the military presence of the Right Sektor "national guard" by direct
negotiation with the anti-Kiev rebels.
Poroshenko did precisely the opposite. No one can seriously claim that his actions, or instructions,
could ever have had a different outcome than more violence and civilian injury.
Also, any rational person would easily have predicted that Poroshenko's escalation of the "Anti
Terrorist" operation would also result in strengthening the resolve and numbers of the anti-Kiev
rebels (who ever is funding, arming and/or advising them).
Following this interpretation it appears that Russia, as in policy from the Kremlin, is doing
very little but observe events in Eastern Ukraine.
The action, the drivers for action including support and technical advice, is coming from
Washington and London whilst our ears are filled with our leaders' cries of "Stop it Russia,
we're warning you!".
It's quite surreal when viewed impartially.
Collins R. Gibson, 06 June 2014 7:28pm
Hush! None of you here is wrong. What is "Good" in one's "Eyes" is never the same as what
is "Good" in another's "Eyes". That is why in some Eyes of a race, 'Slavery' was 'good', and
to other Eyes of "exact same race", Slavery was 'evil".
Just remember that actual Good always must win, though.
And even this whole Ukrainian crisis and all opinions around it boils down to just that:
In NATO's EYES coup is "Good" (at least most of the time) and while coup masters in
Kiev condemn those who rebel against them, indiscriminately killing them, labelling them
insulting names or detaining them, NATO supports out by punishing nations that actively
support those opposed to the 'coup government'.
In Russia and her allies' Eyes, resisting unlawfully acquired governance is 'not bad'.
Efforts for self determination by this resistance is recognized as "justified", and supporting
this resistance is deemed as legitimate moral obligation, which must be undertaken at whatever
cost and even to a bitter end if be!
And for the rest commenting here, by heart, you belong in the family of the side you support
(even if you don't practice what they practice) this includes support of homosexuality. So,
even you Russians commenting here should not discriminate against our homosexuals! Always Love
everyone, but choose your words carefully. Everyone has a right and it must be respected. Many
times, though, all that's needed of you by evil schemers is 'not to do or be something', but
'simply' to '"Support" that thing (it's a criminal trick). Always choose alternative words if
your gut feelings tells you a question posed at you might be a trap to draw your spirit-self
into a family you might not want to belong in - withhold your 'opinion' all together if you
are unsure!).
That said, NATO has always meandered throughout the globe, recognizing and aiding self-determinism
of factions seeking independence from their central governments. it's how the disintegration
of the Soviet Union was orchestrated. During the crisis in Yugoslavia, US said this, in defence
of Kosovo's push for self-rule, "...the declaration of 'autonomy' often happens to violate domestic
legislation, but it doesn't mean there's a breach to the International Law!"
Well, why does this ideology now cease to apply in Ukraine's Crimean and Eastern regions?
It is like marriage; at divorce, you divide the wealth in half. so, US and NATO should do as
they've always done and support Ukraine's divorce fairly like they have supported divorces of
other nations around the world. Except, they always have to then marry one of the divorced,
through enticement with wealth and power (it is prostitution!).
Just never forget this: you are in the beginning of war between GOOD and EVIL. Each side
is marshalling it's soldiers. Each side is right until proven wrong! Each side believe it is
the good and the other is the bad...
Do not insult each other, each of you is right for each of you is only being your true self.
Humans are perfect, let no one tell you differently! Each of you here, through "West's amazing
democracy", is accorded freedom of speech to freely testify which side you choose to belong
in.
Some of you don't even belong in the sides you are playing right now, just been misled by
deceptive medias etc, which is why hiding Truth, in my Eyes' is the greatest of all Sins
midnightschild10,06 June 2014 7:35pm
I suppose it's just for show that Obama is laying down terms for Russia, when the real leader
of the US foreign policy is Cheyney's protégé, and the Obama Administration's "handler" Victoria
Nuland. Obama reads her scripts well.
Evidently the Volstok Battalion has come to the aid of the Eastern Ukrainians since they
are facing planes, tanks etc. Nuland acknowledged the US provided 5 billion to Ukraine and will
continue to supply lethal weapons. I am sure the Kiev government has benefited from the US mercenaries
(people were calling Blackwater in Maidan) and Nuland's friends in Svoboda and the Right Sector.
Even the US Confederate flag and what it represents had been flown along side the Celtic Cross
in Kiev's Town Hall.
Hopefully there will be a cessation of violence on both sides, and if the new President is
not Nuland's hand picked puppet,Ukraine may stand a chance and will negotiate with the Eastern
Ukrainians.
Don't know what Obama will do if he can't read Nuland's toxic scripts while beating his hairless
chest. Oh wait! Next on the hit list is Iran. "WMDs, mushroom clouds, smoking guns" are right
on the tip of the Administration's tongue. We'll wait to see how long it takes for the EU to
line up and follow the US once more.
Beckow,06 June 2014 8:25pm
Who paid for Maidan "volunteers"? Are the pro-West oligarchs paying for militias?
In these situations all sides use any means available. To report on one side and to downplay
or never mention what happened before is in effect half-reporting, or lying.
What really matters is that first Maidan rebellion (funded by whom?) and then the eastern
rebellion have created a political schism in Ukraine.
This division - between two roughly equal regions - will mean that Ukraine will only
be governable via a compromise. That will mean that NATO wet dreams will turn out just
that, dreams. Is that what Nuland and US wanted? A chaotic, divided Ukraine after billions invested
in "civil" society groups? After all that effort, Ukraine is back to its old divided self. Except
much more radically divided and without te jewel of Crimea.
I am sure Victoria Nuland and Carl Bildt will get rewarded for this cosmic f...-up....
ocixem2 Beckow,06 June 2014 9:10pm
I am sure Victoria Nuland and Carl Bildt will get rewarded for this cosmic f...-up....
Neocons always get rewarded, if not by winning any of their perpetual wars at least by
the trillions of taxpayer dollars lavished on their MIC contractor buddies.
aLaGuerreComme, 06 June 2014 9:01pm
Summary of the Ukrainian losses, May - 06.06.14:
Personnel:
SBU National Guard and foreign mercenaries – over 1000 killed:
600+ Natinal Guard and Right Sector;
200+ Ukrainian mercenaries by Kolomoyskiy;
200+ soldiers of 95, 25, 89 airborne brigades, etc.;
32 Specnaz of the Interior Ministry;
88 SBU officers;
25 CIA operatives;
72 Foreign mercenaries: "ASBS Othago" lost 8 (all snipers), "Greystone", "Hello Trust", "Academi"
- 64;
40 Border guards
exiledoffmainstreet -> aLaGuerreComme, 06 June 2014 9:05pm
Thank you for the documentation. I forgot the name of the oligarch involved in the Odessa
affair. I think it is the one you mentioned. It is also a good time to remind people that Andriy
Pardubiy apparently controlled the building from which the Maidan shootings occurred which directly
led to the success of the yankee-backed putsch in Kiev on Feb. 22.
exiledoffmainstreet, 06 June 2014 9:03pm
Russians fighting for their own ethnic group, with direct or extremely indirect aid from
the Russian government, are qualitatively different from hostile occupying forces acting for
a quisling regime imposed as a result of foreign machinations, particularly since it is documented
that anglophone mercenaries and fascist paramilitaries play a major role.
Even the election staged to legitimise this regime was limited to those who would accept
the parameters set down by the dominant forces. Other candidates were literally beaten into
submission.
The presence of fascists like Parubiy in the security apparatus of the Ukrainian regime and
actions like the massacre at Odessa a month ago belie the legitimacy of the Kiev forces.
LeDingue -> exiledoffmainstreet, 07 June 2014 12:53am
The presence of fascists like Parubiy in the security apparatus of the Ukrainian regime and
actions like the massacre at Odessa a month ago belie the legitimacy of the Kiev forces
I sincerely hope that some legal office within the EU will be mandated to compile a charge sheet
naming Andriy Parubiy (amongst others).
At the moment it is being quietly talked about...
And the charges will be very serious charges.... the media may have airbrushed the well video-documented
Odessa Massacre and ceased to mention the contentious issue that Hotel Ukraine was the location
for at least one of the Maidan snipers... but the evidence was abundantly published including
on BBC video. The UK government had a forensic ballistics team on the Maidan within 36 hours...
The Americans must be urgently discussing their exit strategy from this failed operation
because the closet is getting very crowded with skeletons, real as well as metaphorical. Unless
they are completely blinkered...
I think that the the US, and to a certain degree the UK, are going to struggle to contain
the utter mess of this operation as soon as the violence in the east is negotiated towards resolution
as at some point it will have to be.
That will be a very interesting new chapter in the (dis)information war. Here's hoping that
there are people within the EU able to stand their ground.
54 APCs of various models;
2 mobile artillery Acacia;
2 T-64 tanks;
20 trucks;
4 D30/74 howitzers;
5 120 mm mortars;
2 23mm antiaircraft guns;
Also,
34 APCs various degrees of damage
32 APCs captured by self-defense
Kiev Specnaz Sokol sent to the front lines changed sides and joined Donbass self-defence
with all the equipment.
grimpeur, 06 June 2014 9:20pm
What is encouraging is that this article by Alec Luhn is one of the few 'even-handed' and
relatively impartial analyses that I have seen in the Guardian, which has generally acted as
a propaganda arm for the USA State Department. I have criticised the Guardian in the past for
their abandonment of impartial investigative journalism so credit where it is due. Congratulations
Mr Luhn for a fine article!
Yep. The following from Luhn, for instance, flies in the face of the propaganda barrage we've
been subjected to from Big Brother, INGSOC and The Ministry of Truth:
The Vostok Battalion does include Russian fighters, and the bodies of 31 members were
sent back to Russia last week after a battle at Donetsk airport. But more than a dozen interviews
over several visits by the Guardian suggested Vostok is largely comprised of Ukrainian volunteers
with nicknames like "Forest Lord," "Psycho," "Wild Man" and "Beaver". Although its sources
of funding and weapons are not entirely clear, it does not seem to enjoy large-scale Russian
military support, with kit that ranges from sophisticated surface-to-air missiles to battered
hunting rifles.
On a recent afternoon, members of the battalion's mechanical section were welding an
anti-aircraft gun to the back of a lorry to create a vehicle straight out of Mad Max. "If
we had Russian military hardware, you would see it," said "Mamai," a garrulous Vostok member
from Russia's republic of North Ossetia. Vostok commanders said they had taken their weapons
mostly from captured Ukrainian military facilities.
zaciyor, 06 June 2014 9:48pm
The people of eastern Ukraine stood up to defend their right to speak Russian, to preserve
their identity, historical memory and mind-set and to avoid forcible assimilation. There was
no other way to secure their legitimate human rights BUT through establishing a federal state.
This is exactly what they originally demanded: to have more rights within Ukraine. Instead of
heeding them, the Kiev junta accused them of "separatism" and attacked them with tanks, artillery
and aircraft. Donetsk and Luhansk Regions were just bombed and mortared into declaring themselves
independent republics.
Doug Salzmann,06 June 2014 9:55pm
Good job, Alec! We appreciate the ongoing effort to write straightforward news.
For the Graun editors: We also appreciate it, immensely, when you let the good reporting
stand without too much manipulation.
For everyone, more good work from Mr. Luhn:
On the other hand, I knew they were right to a certain extent, given Western media's
tendency to vilify Russia and, by extension, the pro-Russian protesters. The ubiquitous
use of the word separatist, for instance, ignored the fact that the majority of protesters
said they wanted to remain part of Ukraine. Meanwhile, although statements made by
the Ukrainian president and interior minister usually diverged wildly from what I was seeing
on the ground, my editors seemed to treat them like the word of God.
aLaGuerreComme, 06 June 2014 10:12pm
Humanitarian disaster:
* Ukrainian artillery is pounding the chemical plant in Semenovka, the suburb of Slavyansk,
second day in a row. It caught fire yesterday but local fire department was able to put it down.
Sulfur is a highly toxic material and may be able to suffocate the city if they manage to start
the fire again.
* Slavyansk is into the 3-d day without water and sewer.
* Today electricity in Slavyansk was knocked down by the enemy fire. The city is now under
the siege.
Old_Donkey, 06 June 2014 10:43pm
Before you look for the "hidden hand" of Moscow behind the Vostok battalion, it's important
to remember that lots of British militants have popped up in all kinds of countries (Yemen,
Syria, Pakistan) and no one could possibly believe that the British government had sent them
there.
With Ukraine you have a long, porous border with Russia and a lot of Russian guys who sympathize
with the insurgency in the Donbass and want to help the rebels. It's rather like the situation
in the Spanish Civil War when Frenchman crossed the frontier and fought for the Republic as
volunteers.
Basically officials, or professors like Galeotti who are very focused on bureaucratic institutions,
have an inherent tendency to imagine there must be some kind of Macavity in the Lubyanka pulling
the strings of the revolt. The American government seems to imagine that the rebels are "nothing
more than agents for the cat who all the time controls their operations".
This is because Western "experts" imagine that the rest of the world must operate in the
top-down way their own little bureaucratic or academic hierarchies behave. But it doesn't. Intellectually
it is very difficult for officials to "process" a popular revolt because its dynamics are so
outside their own realm of experience. As a result of this kind of thinking, Western intelligence
services completely failed to predict the Arab Spring.
The way Western "analysts" are making frantic efforts to unearth "links" between the rebels
and Russian intelligence reminds me of Tony Blair and his "definitive" intelligence on Saddam
Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. At least Alec Luhn doesn't push it or confuse speculation
with hard fact
I'm ready to see Russia cut off the gas to Ukraine and to the EU until that gas bill
is paid in full. And then I would still make them pay in advance, since their credit has
been no good. But that's just me being a hard butt.
I agree with one caveat: that Ukraine not only pay their gas debt in full, but that they turn
the water back on that supplies Crimea.
The Americans are willing to fight to the last Ukrainian. Rephazing Churchill "it might not
be the end of the beginning, but the beginning of the end".
Poroshenko's inauguration speech has sent a message to Novorossiia and Russia:
No federalization
No state status for the Russian language
No recognition of the Novorossian political leadership
Full and unconditional surrender of the Novorossian Defense Forces
Crimea will forever belong to the Ukraine.
He could not have been any clearer: that is basically a declaration of war and an ultimatum.
This is also a full endorsement of the "Banderastan project".
Clearly, the US has prevailed
over the hopelessly spineless EU leaders like Merkel or Hollande and the AngloZionists will have
their way.
I must leave my computer for the next 12 hours and I cannot write a full analysis of Poroshenko's
decision to fully follow the US line, but I will say that two things appear inevitable now:
a Russian military intervention in Novorossia followed by the Cold War v2 the AngloZionists wanted
so badly.
Up until this moment the European colonies still had a chance to avoid a future which will hurt
them much more than it will hurt the US or Russia, but they could not even muster the willpower
to protect their own vital interests.
ahI am disgusted beyond words.
The Saker
lostinukr serguey:
When you are a master of communication as Putin, you try to anticipate opinions. I think
he already knew the Poroshenko speech and "opinions". He said already about him "don't listen
his words, just see his actions".
Then.. Nothing surprising today about his words.
He is following the USA/NATO dynamic, word by word. And Putin new this. And his short feedback
after yesterday meeting, was only to show to " thinkers" how much Ukr gov is only a puppet's
island.
I think is was some manipulative resume yesterday, to say good words about Poroshenko...
giving some hope, then... reading the declaration of war today. I'm just not surprised. This
is the game of manipulation, anticipating the narrative.
Second point I want to bring to your attention, is for whom who can observe at the soul level,
what is happening in many leaders speech. They are "absent". They speak, they use words, but
there is a full disconnection between the "human consciousness" and some " demoniac presence".
I invite you to hear Hollande president. He seems speaking as a virtual character, some 3D
being, without "human soul" inside. Since centuries, from Buddha, humanity had access to force
of compassion and suffering. And many in this blog are connected to this stream. Leaders are
the obvious example of how you do compromise with the "beast".
Power doesn't make you bad... Power, somehow, in our time, if you don't have heavy morale
force, makes you Ahrimanic creature. Looking for power, serving destruction and fears. Poroshenko
is finally showing to the world, and I guess, European community, whom he is serving.
150 000 dead in Syria. How many in Ukr? Putin now, probably played a nice coup. A coup in
advance.
Anonymous Pete:
Various American politicians have been patronizing the Kiev regime people, assuring them
of support. There was a story the other day that military advisors were also to be provided.
Apparently they've decided to ramp things up and push for confrontation. The Kiev people must
be feeling emboldened now with their new backers. The Americans are willing to fight to
the last Ukrainian.
It's the 100th anniversary of WWI and again we have some of the same things happening, an
aggressive move to the east and attempted annexation of territory. It's another disaster in
the making if the leaders miscalculate as they did the last time around. I'm starting to become
rather pessimistic about how this whole thing is going, thanks to the war-dog politicians we
happen to have.
Anonymous Observer
Take a break Saker.
Everything will work out, a political solution will materialize (in the end) and things will
balance out in the end.
You're in a marathon, not a sprint, you keep pushing yourself like this and your health is
going to get affected. If burn out (emotionally as well as physically), will that serve your
cause?
It's undeniable that in the end, one way or the other, this will be resolved politically.
Anonymous
I actually thought Poroshenko might be reasonable & capable of negotiating but it's crystal
clear now he's the same as Yats, Turchinov, Tyanibok and all the other scumbags associated
with this Junta.
Still though, I pray Russia doesn't directly intervene. And there is no way Crimea is re-marrying
that diseased Ukrainian whore. It's incredible that Poroshenko thinks it could happen. Is he
that stupid or is he just talking tough?
Anonymous Anonymous
"No state status for the Russian language"
As a Finn I very much understand hardline minority language policy. Over here the Swedish-speakers
(5.5% of the population) have managed to lobby for Swedish to be a compulsory language in schools
and universities. Reflect on the latter especially - how appropriate is it for a nuclear physicist
to waste their time learning a language? In case you still don't get it, imagine a situation
where welsh were compulsory for all university students in the UK. And not only university students
- all public servants too. That's what we have in Finland and that's what they should want to
avoid in the Ukraine.
Poroshenko was and is the member of junta, the financial backer of Maidan and major Pro-Maidan propaganda
force with his Fifth channel. Politically he looks like Yushchenko II -- another puppet.
So about what changes in policy can we talk? Quote: "God Bless the Ukrainian people in their
fight against the psychopaths in Washington and Brussels. "
This
means a lot of trouble for the people in the Ukraine, east AND west:
Ukraine's new president Petro Poroshenko said his country would never give up Crimea and would
not compromise on its path towards closer ties with Europe, spelling out a defiant message to
Russia in his inaugural speech on Saturday.
...
Poroshenko stressed the need for a united Ukraine and the importance of ending the conflict
that threatens to further split the country of 45 million people. He said it would not become
a looser federalised state, as advocated by Russia.
...
Poroshenko's speech drew an ovation from guests at a ceremony attended by Lithuanian President
Dalia Grybauskaite, U.S. Vice President Joe Biden and senior EU officials.
The Saker
calls
the speech a declaration of war. That may well be right.
Russia will need to tighten the screws a bit. Be polite at the outside, concede in public but
make sure that Kiev will feel more and more pressure through secondary channels.
I doubt that the "west" will take any real risk over Ukraine or even put up enough money to save
it from ruin. In the end Ukraine will be alone facing a rather angry bear. If Poroshenko, as it
seems, thinks different, he is clearly deluded.
Virgile
Poroshenko's speech is just a bluff and a quest for legitimacy in the eyes of the EU and
USA and some of his desperate population.
He is a shrewd business man, he needs all the money he can get from his new found allies.
Therefore he has to say what they want to hear.
Once he gets the money then he will surely change his tone. He can't afford the continuation
of a civil war that may destroy Ukraine. NATO will never get involved in any military confrontation
with Russia.
Poroshenko has no choice than to turn to Poutine for everything else than money. The EU and
the USA are here for that. So he is exploiting them all. Poutine knows that very well and will
deal with it as shrewdly while idealist Europe and naive USA will discover it later. While they
all backed down from the disaster of the regime-change they executed in Libya, they wont be
able to back down so easily from their responsibility in Ukraine.
Poroshenko's Ukraine will be a new burden to ailing Europe.
plantman
Anonymous...I don't agree that "Poroshenko's speech is just a bluff and a quest for legitimacy
in the eyes of the EU and USA."
Poroshenko is a US stooge who says what he is told to say by his handlers.
And why would he be bluffing?
The US wants escalation, in fact, it cannot achieve its goal of deploying NATO without
escalation. Here's how it works: If killing civilians in the East doesn't work, then they'll
burn them alive in Odessa. If that doesn't work, they'll bomb schools, orphanages, hospitals
etc.
It doesn't stop until the US gets the reaction it wants, which is retaliation from Putin.
These guys don't give up. They never give up.
JSorrentine
Let's just add this shit to the list of US-driven propagandistic nonsense along the lines
of Assad must step down, this here's a red line bitches, Iran has nukes, Israel is a beacon
of democracy blah blah blah that and all the other shit that the US minions are forced to mouth
for more cash/power.
Members of the Billionaire Elite are called upon to say the stoopidest fucking things everyday
here in the US and 9 times out of 10 they're simply just mouthing crap meant to propagandistically
frame the faux "debates/discussions" for the chattering classes as they disseminate information
to the peons.
Now that Poro has staked out the "insane" cop stance the US will look more "reasonable/good
cop" when they propose their own "rational" alternatives which will obviously include the murder/maiming/displacement/endangerment
of many innocent people just not on as large of a scale as the original Poro "solution".
Again, this shit happens daily here in the US. Some member of the elite will say something
totally fucking crazy with no chance of the idea being implemented but it is consciously said
anyways to make the ensuing seemingly less fucking crazy ideas seem more rational.
Example:
Crazy fucker (insane cop): I want to gas every US citizen over 65 because they are a drain
on our resources!!
Peons: That's fucking crazy!!!
Crazy fucker's associate (saner cop): That gas idea IS crazy. Instead, I rationally propose
that we just totally eliminate Social Security and Medicare instead!
Peons: How reasonable!!!Thank God cooler heads prevailed!!!
So, instead of retaking Crimea like Poro says the US war criminals can now - just riffing
here - state something like:
While we think engaging in active combat over Crimea is an untenable solution we will compromise
and put a forward NATO base outside of Kiev where US troops will train the fledgling democrats
on our latest missile defense system.
Peons: Whew! At least we avoided at hot war! Obama, you so 11 dimensional!!Hillary 2016!!!
So while it's obviously still not a good thing for Ukraine and the innocent people involved
I believe this is just the war criminal elite setting - once again - the stage for what's really
to come. \
JSorrentine
Adding:
Instead of this "just not on as large of a scale as the original Poro "solution" I would
change it to read:
"just not on as BLATANT as the original Poro "solution"
The US war criminal elite have ZERO compunctions against how many people they kill/main/threaten/endanger
they just would rather do it sneaky-like if at all possible.
ToivoS
Those are just words from Poroshenko. No one would expect him declare that Crimea was no
longer part of Ukraine. To this day Georgia has not conceded S. Ossetia and Abkhasia, but we
all know that they will never be part of Georgia.
Right now, Poro has to put together a new government. If he wants to accomplish anything
he will have to get rid of the Svoboda Party and Right Sector people. It is not clear how the
neo-nazis will react to that development. One problem Poro has with calling an immediate cease
fire is that all of the neo-nazi fighters in eastern Ukraine would return to Kiev. Now that
would be a problem for him. If a peaceful and negotiated solution is his goal he has to worry
about the reactions in western Ukraine and well and the east.
TicoTiger
@11 ToivoS
Thanks for bringing some sanity to these hysterical postings. The chocolate oligarch is what
he is and his bluster is without substance at this point. Sounds like he uses the same speechwriter
as Kerry doesn't it? If he does not end the killings his reign will be short.
The reality on the ground is that each civilian death in eastern Ukraine and each piece of
the area's infrastructure destroyed makes real civil war that much more likely. The average
Ukrainian's traditional passivity is being ripped from them bit by bit and they are starting
to get really pissed off. Hardball starts soon. Military intervention by Russia gets closer
by the day as well, but on Putin's terms, not the western puppet-masters'. Note that just as
the Ukrainians are getting angrier, so are the Russian citizens. The media is beating the war
drums in Russia and Putin's support is unwavering. Only idiots would believe that Putin is weak.
Even Europeans are waking up. Only America sleeps on.
jayc
God Bless the Ukrainian people in their fight against the psychopaths in Washington and
Brussels.
The IMF said that the current conditions attached to the loans are based on a scenario maintaining
Ukraine's territorial integrity and specifically on a strong central government (i.e. no federalization).
If this scenario changes, then a new set of conditions - likely more draconian - will be imposed.
That is probably what is driving Poroshenko's rhetoric.
Right Sector strength: sources close to journalist Robert Parry said the hasty recognition
of the coup regime last February was based on a need to stabilize a government lest the Right
Sector take over entirely. A Frankenstein monster enabled by the West, and probably beyond control
still. Confirmation of the report that Right Sector militia was being trained in Poland last
September will establish whether this mess has been improvised or plotted.
Poroshenko says Ukraine will never give up Crimea; calls for a unified, pro-European country
and rejects separatists
Ukraine's new President Petro Poroshenko said his country would never give up Crimea and would
not compromise on its course toward closer ties with Europe, spelling out a combative and defiant
message to Russia in his inaugural speech on Saturday.
The 48-year-old billionaire took the oath of office before parliament,
buoyed by Western support but facing an immediate crisis in relations with Moscow as a pro-Russian
separatist uprising seethes in the east of his country. He called for dialogue with the east, but
said he will not talk with rebels he called "gangsters and killers."
Russia annexed the Crimean peninsula in March, weeks after street protests ousted Poroshenko's
pro-Moscow predecessor, Viktor Yanukovich, in a move that has provoked the deepest crisis in Ukraine
since the end of the Cold War.
"Citizens of Ukraine will never enjoy the beauty of peace unless we settle our relations with
Russia. Russia occupied Crimea, which was, is, and will be Ukrainian soil," Poroshenko said in a
speech that drew a standing ovation.
He told this to Russian President Vladimir Putin
when the
two met on Friday at a World War II D-Day anniversary ceremony in France, he said.
Poroshenko, who earned his fortune as a confectionery entrepreneur and is known locally as the
"Chocolate
King," said he intended very soon to sign the economic part of an association agreement with
the European Union, as a first step toward full membership. This idea is anathema to Moscow, which
wants to keep Ukraine in Russia's sphere of influence.
Poroshenko stressed the need for a united Ukraine and the importance of ending the conflict that
threatens to further split the country of 45 million people. He said it would not become a looser
federalized state, as advocated by Russia, but he did call for early regional elections in the east
and promised to push for new powers to be allotted to regional governments.
"There can be no trade-off about Crimea and about the European choice and about the governmental
system. All other things can be negotiated and discussed at the negotiation table. Any attempts
at internal or external enslavement of Ukraine will meet with resolute resistance," he said.
Hours after the speech, Putin ordered security tightened along Russia's border with Ukraine to
prevent illegal crossings, Russian news agencies said. Ukraine claims that many of the insurgents
in the east have come from Russia; Poroshenko on Saturday said he would offer a corridor for safe
passage of "Russian militants" out of the country.
Pro-Russian rebel leaders in the east dismissed Poroshenko's speech.
"This statement doesn't concern us," said the self-declared prime minister of the Donetsk People's
Republic, Alexander Borodai, according to the RIA Novosti news agency.
Poroshenko offered amnesty to rebels who "don't have blood on their hands." But this has been
met with skepticism. "I don't believe it," said Valery Bolotov, the insurgent leader in the Luhansk
region. Rebels in both Luhansk and Donetsk have declared their regions independent.
"I will bring you peace," the new president promised, but did not indicate whether Ukrainian
forces would scale back their offensives against the insurgency.
Russia has insisted on Ukraine ending its military operation in the east. Ambassador Mikhail
Zurabov, representing Moscow at the inauguration, said Poroshenko's statements "sound reassuring,"
but "for us the principal thing is to stop the military operation." He added that the insurgents
should also stop fighting in order to bolster the delivery of humanitarian aid, RIA Novosti reported.
In his inaugural address, attended by U.S. politicians including Vice President Joseph Biden,
Sen. John McCain and Democratic Rep. Marci Kaptur, Poroshenko called for dialogue with "peaceful
citizens" in the east. "I am calling on everyone who has taken arms in their hands - please lay
down your arms," he said.
He also said he would seek early parliamentary elections because "the current composition of
the parliament is not consistent with the aspirations of the nation." The current parliament, elected
in 2012 with a large contingent from Yanukovich's former party, is to stay in place until 2017.
Poroshenko insisted that Ukrainian would remain the sole state language of the country, but promised
"new opportunities for the Russian language." He did not give specifics.
In the blogosphere and social media today is dominated by two main lines explain the behavior
of Russia towards the resistance of the population of the South-East of aggression Kiev junta: a)
Putin lost everything; b) Putin implements a cunning plan.
On the first point, which implies complete reset to the scrap the South-East (under the pressure
of the USA and NATO), these lamentations ahead of the events, because according to my information
(details of which are still couldn't open), some assistance is provided, although c my point of
view, it is enough only for a limited maintaining resistance. Regarding the second point, all that
is happening now is explained in this way that the US wants to involve the Russian Federation into
the war, and Putin understood and avoided war, leading a fine game that aims to capture all or parts
of Ukraine.
In fact, both views are only part of the picture of Russian policy in Ukraine. I would be, can
be, and believe in "stealth" Putin's plan and even forgot about the recently famous for social media
"cunning plan Yanukovich, if not studying previous events. The fact that the study of the policy
of the Russian Federation in Ukraine demonstrates a number of strategic foreign policy failures.
Already under Putin (let's omit the Yeltsin presidency, consisting of various betrayals), Russia
suffered a major defeat in 2004, when the rate on Yanukovich and Party of Regions" (which openly
supported Putin personally) was bit by the Americans, who carried out a coup and which brought to
power a puppet government of Yushchenko (with many members of the current fascist junta). For 5
years Russia has suffered the results of this defeat; then the "orange" went bankrupt and power
was overtaken by all the same "Party of Regions" with Yanukovich. It is
in Russia was treated as a revenge. Kharkov agreements and the extension of the agreement on the
basing of the black sea fleet was seen as a strategic success, providing for the accession of Ukraine
to the future integration projects on the basis of the Russian Federation.
But in 2014, Russia once again suffered a major defeat in the Ukrainian question, when Americans
realize its plan to bring to power the next puppet government, totally dependent on Washington.
Together with a "cunning plan of Yanukovich," the Americans flushed down the toilet Kremlin plans
related to the non-aligned status of Ukraine and Yanukovich regime, coupled with the gas contracts
and those loans that he was given in the framework of the Kharkov agreements. Plans to include Ukraine
in the Custom Union were also flushed down.
But fortunately for the Kremlin Washington strategists are also not very good, and the US plans
to establish control over the entire territory of Ukraine, contained significant errors related
to underestimation of the level of possible resistance, and the idiocy of key players on which they
rely (including the Ukrainian fascists). Rushed seizure of power, scaring the population raids fascist
troops and floating of the hysterical idea of banning the Russian language let to the situation
in which the Americans actually sponsored the rebellion on the part of territory of former Ukraine,
creating for the Russian Federation easy ways to compensate for damages. Some believe that it was
part of the Jesuitical cunning plan of the USA to ignite civil war, which moves in Russia and then
decimated it in a new Cold War.
But the history of the Crimean spring shows that the uprising in Sevastopol was unexpected for
all participants of the conflict, developed it in the beginning without the participation of Russia
and its consequences became unexpected for Washington, where after the coup Yankees saw the whole
territory of Ukraine including Crimea and Donbass as an integral property of the regime, which was
brought by them to power in Kiev.
The uprising in Sevastopol, multiplied by local separatism, was essentially ignored by the city,
which did nothing to actually hold the city. The Kremlin saw this cute opportunity to carry out
the "RAID on the Pristina №2", the benefit of the local population there is most loyal to Moscow,
and have the military units in the place. Was planned and carried out a brilliant operation (no
joke) for the transition of the Crimea to Russia. It inevitably will be taught in textbooks
for specialists of narrow profile. She looked even more spectacular than the defeat of the Georgian
army in 2008.
Americans, and especially Kiev, missed it. The inertia of this success has created
not only the effect of the time consolidation of society, but also created in ruling circles certain
euphoria, which looked very strange on the background of what happened a little earlier political
disaster. It was announced that after years without ideology" and of the national idea, finally,
the idea found is the reunification of the divided nation and de facto "gathering the lands." In
opposition Patriotic society (and even in parts of society left-Patriotic) taking place started
to be perceived as a gap template - say, for years we were talking about the anti-popular regime
of Putin, and he -- Crimea is our! Catalyst hurrah-Patriotic enthusiasm (in the spirit of the first
world war) and was seen taking place in Donbass.
Previous political catastrophe of the collapse of the regime was perceived as a mistake. But
if in the Crimea, the Kremlin was in a most-favored - Americans do not have time to react, and Kyiv
junta does slept over the events, the Donetsk and Lugansk Ukraine presents the certain difficulties.
Now fashionable among the Pro-government political analysts attribute it to the wrong population,
saying "my house c the edge" and "only there was no war, so all the bad, why they say Putin must
fight, if all at home. It is true, but it is only part of the truth that such authors are trying
to say so to cover a number of failures of Russian policy in Ukraine, including the failures of
Putin's and Lavrov as foreign Minister.
The fact that the self-organization of people in the South-East for years, was suppressed by
the Ukrainian authorities, including the "Party of regions" which put Russia and that the elimination
of the Pro-Russian organizations have achieved even greater success than the Yushchenko government.
The Kremlin on it all looked c Olympic calmness. Consul of Russia in the Crimea Andreev, for example,
called the local separatists (largely due to which happened Crimea is our!) provocateurs, undermine
the territorial integrity of Ukraine. With Bandera marches on the streets of Kiev, in addition to
the CPU and Mitrinkova, almost none put a fight with those thugs. Organizations for these
tasks have never been created.
In the Kremlin believed that economic and political levers of pressure on the regime is more
than enough for realization of their interests in Ukraine, but a coup 20 February revealed the failure
of this policy. Symptomatic recognition Puchkova (jpg) tell more about some of the causes of the
disaster. Such lessons are usually paid for by the blood.
While the Russian capital had illusions about what price onerous contracts (which have become
due to the "orange" - if anyone forgot, the revision of the rates started it "orange") to implement
the questions basing the black sea fleet, the control over strategic enterprises and influence on
the political system. Cheap gas, close eye on his re-export, various economic preferences, cheap
loans and other - in fact lay in the Foundation of a purely anti-Russian and Russophobic public
education, for until Moscow still subsist primitive quackery by Chubais on "liberal Empire" and
economic control over its former republics of the Soviet Union, Americans for years was brought
up anti-Russian elite and young people. For 23 years, they have raised a whole generation of
politicians, oriented towards Washington and Brussels. Has brought up a whole generation of young
people for whom Russia is the main ideological and ideological enemy. Were created extensive information
networks controlled media, agents of influence and control of part of the power unit of Ukraine.
We like to mock servility of Bandera junta before the American ambassadors who by telephone give
instructions to Ukrainian officials. But in reality there is little to laugh at. Americans do what
they are good at and what they probably Chernomyrdin and Zurabov should do too. Compare, say, the
level of influence of US ambassador and d Zurabov to Ukraine. It's one of the answers to the question,
why do Americans took Ukraine, and Russia only Crimea. Who is responsible for what Zurabov vs.
Geoffrey R. Pyatt looks pathetic
molecule in terms of influence on what is happening in Ukraine.
Russia if it even tried to do the same as Americans, did it so clumsy style that money
were mostly wasted (and then some of the money were plundered the local so-called "patriots"). Duma
allocated $ 100,000 for the development of the "Russian world", of which 20-30% was stolen in Moscow,
about the same amount by local "leaders", and the remains are going to ineffective meetings, exhibitions
and other events good for reporting in media, but which are just a simulacrum for creation of a
real Pro-Russian movement.
Same about appealing to already faded concepts of "Slavic brotherhood", "friendship of peoples"
or amorphous idea of "integration in Custom Union". As a result, when I started up to the
case, as in 2004 or 2014, Moscow simply not do not have the necessary tools against the US color
revolutions. They did then not out of thin air - they prepared then and trained trench solders and
agents of influence for years. This actually is one of the secrets of success of Americans in the
organization of such coups - they firs prepare the soil for years.
...Russian policy in Ukraine was inadequate to the threats that was quickly growing (although
about the danger of the idea that Ukraine exists exclusively as the antithesis of Russia,
wrote many, including me). And it was dangerous not only for the local population, but for Russia
itself. Now this blunder are trying to swipe under the carpet silting "extreme circumstances", but
the truth is that no real work to counter color revolution is Ukraine was done. But the Americans
in Western Ukraine and Kyiv c elite did such a work for decades, so now we have a sad picture,
when they, pulling the right strings over can easily put the government they want in Ukraine, and
self-organization of the population of the South-East is enough only for a very limited resistance.
...
So when they speak of "clever" Putin's plan now, this does not well correlate with rather mediocre
results in Russian global strategy for Ukraine for the past 14 years. We can remember is that a
joke about Chapaev and clay. ...The euphoria in the Kremlin gradually begun to drop amid increasing
sanctions by the US that are not as dangerous in themselves, but meant a rise of the direct conflict
with frail, but still very dangerous world hegemon. Inertia "Crimea is our!", however, caused the
Kremlin to pursue actions aimed at separation of Novorossia.
There was a certain media campaign
(in sizes smaller than in the US) But by the end of April in this line have been some fluctuations
associated with increasing pressure and the real threat of economic sanctions. Some forget that
in 2013, according to the official statements of the government of the Russian Federation, the economy
was poised somewhere between stagnation and recession. And Crimea did not change and cannot change
serious economic problems in the Russian economy (not less significant than in the economies of
the US and the EU). Sanctions and their consequences, means that the government can't even get a
foothold on the boundary of "stagnation" and the recession (see the experience of Iran). Therefore,
politics is politics, Russian world, Russian world, but the threat of economic downturn that could
lead to the scrapping of the political system, clearly beginning to emerge despite the temporary
consolidation of society.
A crucial day apparently was April 24, when on a background of storming Slavyansk columns of
Ukrainian army began to move Donbass from Raisins and Zaporozhye. On the same day, the movement
of the Russian army to the borders of c Ukraine also started. After lunch in Moscow the security
Council meeting started with participation of Putin, which addressed the issue of troops on
Ukraine. And if anyone remembers the history of the failed presidential speech, it was not held
because the decision to deploy troops, not accepted as due to the withdrawal of the Ukrainian troops,
and in connection c threatening calls from Brussels and Washington.
That is, at least until April 24, the question of the actual move of the Russian armies existed
and was considered one of the possible reactions regardless of the "extreme hard and third levels
of sanctions." In the period until the 24th in Russian propaganda there was popular the thesis that
the Russian army easy reach of the Dnipro river that don't care about US; if necessary we'll get
to Lvov and so on. Then followed a reversal in the direction of "why we should not fight".
After April 24, external pressure on the Russian Federation was growing, and the support of the
population in the Donbass region was not growing fast enough. At the same time, after the US realized
the pressure on Russia works, Kyiv junta was able to start real punitive operation in Donbass in
much more cruel forms than April 24, when Russia moved troops to the border.
Therefore since may, despite the horrific atrocities perpetrated by the Kiev Nazis, the Kremlin
behaves very reserved, restricted to informal support and public discontent. When in Kiev was convinced
that the U.S. could just push the Russian Federation and the rejected the idea of an immediate deployment
of troops, the junta immediately started full-punitive operations, which are already applied illegal
arms against civil population including aviation, tanks, heavy artillery and multiple rocket launcher.
And Russia was forced to swallow all of this, because the circumstances have changed. So instead
of the movements of troops - we see concerns diplomats, and instead of slogans on the topic of reunification
of the people and lands, reflections on the existence of some cunning plan. Yes, and a wide rallies
support DND and LNR (a La Crimea) is not observed...
the trick of the "new information policy", in addition to covering the failures of 2004 and 2014
and attempt to save face before the open threats of the West, is that the tacit support will not
allow military junta crush the rebellition in Novorossia, but does not change the overwhelming superiority
of the junta in military technology and arms.
Therefore, the current scenario is the most convenient USA, as the conflict drags on (which is
allegedly what Putin is trying to avoid), forming near the border with Russia chronic wound (you
can't stop acivil war; and the Americans had already unleashed it), simultaneously providing the
prerequisites for the deployment of American and NATO troops in the Ukraine (the NATO base in the
Kharkov region, if junta keeps the power is a matter of 2-3 years).
Americans have advantages as in the case of introduction of Russian troops on the terrirory of
donbass, and in the case of Moscow obstain from using troops at all.
They, despite the loss of the Crimea, and no matter how the situation with Donbass evolved already
gor serious dividents. They managed to destabilize Russia because now Putin iether enganged his
political stability, by watching how junta kills people in Donbass, or he will be forced to get
involved in the war on left-Bank Ukraine, through its section, not peace, but a military way that
the US is quite satisfied in terms of designation of "enemy", under which the US military industial
complex can raise the budgets of the Pentagon and intelligence agencies.
As the weaker neoliberal then the US, Russia naturally seeks to avoid direct clashes c hegemon,
as it economically stronger China is sucsssufully doing. Donbass in this issue
becomes a hostage of this "policy of "under certain circumstances" ...
... ... ...
Therefore, instead of draining or explicitly declaring war, the Kremlin is trying to stay in
an intermediate position between underlined peacefulness and covert assistance, which is the current
"cunning plan". As "cunning plan" by Yanukovych, it has only one, but a fatal flaw - it is too obvious
and against it easy to play. That is why the fascists are so boldly and cynically kill people, and
Americans are equally cynical approve of it, because there is an understanding of the positions
of Russia and understandable steps against this position.
Russia loses in any case. If it invades - excellent, the USA get comfortable war the borders
of a competitor, where you can earn money and to weaken the enemy. Does not introduce troups - gets
the growing internal tensions and the collapse of the right-conservative illusions, as well as formation
of aggressive Russophobic state on its borders.
Hopes that the economy will catch up and people take to the streets against the junta, understandable,
but ignores the fact that the regime has already moved to open terror against opposition, which
the Americans will close my eyes, as it did in Egypt, allowing the military to kill hundreds of
Islamists. Kiev, to the extent possible, will lend money (as last dose for heroin addict) and will
close eye on any atrocities. In case of capture of Donbass, the junta natural to write off all the
troubles on Russia and Putin, pulling its inevitable end. During this time, all more or less Pro-Russian
and anti-fascist organizations will be eliminated under all scenarios, Russia will be extremely
difficult to rely even on this very shaky foothold. Therefore, the continuation of the existence
of fascist junta is clearly in favor of the USA, for each day of its activity - is another day of
separation of Ukraine from Russia. The consequences of these days then will be felt for many years
and even decades.
In the end, the Kremlin will have to choose: where impacts would be smaller, and, from the point
of view of self-preservation of a mode of Putin, both has disadvantages of approximately equal value
and the basis of the decision is just a matter of the "developing events". All this is not part
of some evil intent, associated with the Putin's reluctance to accept the Donbass in Russia (it
would would love to, but there are a number of foreign policy challenges). All these are consequences
of the earlier policy of Russia in the Ukrainian question. For it is now paying the price as the
lost militiamen and Putin himself who has to make decisions in situations where positive for Russia
steps doe not exist. So don't be surprised if in the foreseeable future, Putin did move troops,
but as no surprise would be if Moscow will continue to "Express concern" about crimes of the Nazis
agaist civilians.
Someone will say: that's too pessimistic? No, this is an objective reality, which must
be considered, so as not to entatain excessive illusions. Does this mean that our cause is lost?
Of course not. I believe that the junta will be defeated and the perpetrators of the bloody crimes
will pay for them, including with their lives. When events in Sevastopol started they have led us
all to where we are now. In this case we have acted without regard for consequnces for Russia, because
we had to stand up and fight. Just sitting on sofas it is difficult to change the course of history.
As classics used to say, only in the struggle you can secure your rights.
Contrary to some of the "armchair strategist" who post comments here about Putin of selling out,
being a coward or a hypocrite, something in the range of 80% of Russians support him and his handling
of the events in the Ukraine. So far, his personal position and authority are as rock solid
as ever. However, watching the amazing evolution of the Russian TV over the past few months,
I come to one of three possible conclusions:
1) If hypothesis A above is correct, then the Kremlin is engaged in a massive PR campaign to
prepare the Russian public for a military intervention in the Ukraine.
2) If hypothesis B above is correct, then there is a very influential segment of the Russian elites
which is engaged in a campaign to force the Kremlin to militarily intervene in the Ukraine.
3) If hypothesis C above is correct, then there is such a groundswell of outrage and disgust in
the Russian public opinion that the Kremlin will have no other choice but to militarily intervene
to stop the terror operations of the junta.
As I said above, my personal feeling that the reality of Russian media today is a mix of A+B+C,
in which case there is a gradual coalescing of anger and determination taking place on all
levels of the Russian society which will eventually result in a Russian military intervention against
the Ukrainian death squads in Novorossia.
All this is to make the following point: when I wrote yesterday that
the "crazies", as I called them might, well get what they want (a Russian military intervention)
- I really meant it. I still think that this would be very bad for Russia, the Ukraine and
Europe, but that does not mean that I am oblivious to the fact that it might happen, very soon in
fact.
My sense is that Poroshenko or, more accurately his puppet-masters in Washington, have just a
few days left to stop the so-called "anti terrorist operation". From the recent meeting in
France, I get mixed messages. Merkel and Hollande probably would prefer that this insanity
stop now. But Obama and his puppet-masters? Simply put, and no matter how hard Putin
might try, there are provocations which the Kremlin simply cannot ignore.
A_Chinese:
I think Putin's strategy is very smart. He is trying to do everything he could not to intervene
and letting the Ukraine government to do the stupid things. So in case he does intervene, he
will have the most of the support from home and sympathy from Europeans. If he is lucky and
plays right, this could be the end of NATO.
I think there are probably two major reasons that He doesn't want and shouldn't to intervene.
1, Economic burden of owning the Ukraine is too big.
2, Alienating Germany and other European.
If military intervention is to inevitable, he should wait until enough European public feel
disgust by what Ukraine government's behavior and enough outrage in eastern Ukraine at their
Kiev government.
As for the US government, owning the Kiev government is too big economic and political liability,
the only way out for them is to get Russia involved.
Soarintothesky :
My sentiment on looking at Russian language satellite TV via Hotbird is that Russian news
media (as opposed to the current affairs prgrammes you quote) changed a gear after 21 February.
It went into war mode. RTR had a regular round up on the Ukranian crisis which was wholly focused
on creating an aggressive mood. The Ukranians did give them ammunition, of course but there
were things that went the other way that RTR ignored. I think RTR did this on instructions from
some faction in the Kremlin. Let us not think that the Russian government thinks as one about
the Ukranian issue (Medvedev made a strong return for a while). However, when in Russia I live
in the provinces, far from Moscow. I am the only non FSU foreigner my monoglot Russian friends
have ever met. They are mostly from families that had higher social rank in the USSR (former
town clerk for community of 50k people now works as jobbing builder for example). They are dying
for a fight. Like the Grannies in Donetsk, they seen to think that a fight will give them the
USSR back. They make A satelite and chaos (Sputnik i Pogrom) look very liberal. Most vote communist.
The news feed for the younger ones is SaveDonbass and Russkaya Pravda. I think they represent
most of Russias underemployed and disappointed. Those in good jobs with a future ahead do not
want conflict in Ukraine.
Taking over the D & L oblasts in their entirety is foolish. The countryside is Ukranian.
Donetsk and the surrounding cities are half Ukranian. Only in Lugansk and the surrounding cities
is there a large preponderance of Great Russians. Can there be a population exchange between
D & L? At least of the Grannies and the underemployed retired officers? It's a thought experiment
not a recommendation.
Anonymous said...
Sadly...events seem to be heading in the direction of Russian intervention. When Right Sector
and National Guard thugs are rounding up male citizens between 18 and 40 -- and shooting wounded
in hospital -- then the rubicon has been crossed. (Bet those guys rounded-up wish they'd joined
Strelkov, rather than waiting around for Junta to find them...). That said -- it's all very
VERY sad. The blood is on Obama, Nuland, EU and Anglo-Zionist Neo-Con filth. AGS
N. Solntseff said...
Currently using his black-belt judo skill to feint in order th draw the Anglo/US/NATO/CIA/GCHQ
(AUNCG) elements into action. After this happens, Russian forces will be morally justified in
a warlike reply.
Let us hope that sober minds prevail in the West!
Soarintothesky said...
Crossvader, Russia is facing a big recession. Putin has more substantial issues to deal with
than romantic nationalists in another country. He is the President of the Russian Federation
not the Fuhrer of the Great Russian folk. Stopping Ukraine taking the Russian economy even
further down is the biggest concern. The second fastest growing big economy right now is the
UK, not a developing country and its manufacturing led (China's still ahead).
The climate has changed. Russia is at full employment and full capacity. What's left of its
technical base is still in the 1970's. Productivity has to go up. The means to achieve this
is foreign investment. Putin is damned if he doesn't (mount a useless symbolic invasion of Lugansk)
and damned if he does. It's the price of annexing Crimea. There's always a price.
@EVERTYBODY: Putin has just made a cautiously optimistic statement about Poroshenko.
He said that Poroshenko wanted to stop all combat operations in the East and that he had a plan
to do so. He said that Poroshenko has shared this plan with Putin but that it would be for Poroshenko
to make it public. Still, Putin cautioned everybody by saying that it is one thing to present
a plan in France, and quite another to present it in Kiev . He concluded by saying that
if such a peace plan was implemented then this would open the way for a comprehensive reassessment
of Russian-Ukrainian relations including their economic ties.
So it appears that Poroshenko,
Merkel and possibly Hollande are trying to do something to stop the US plan, but that Putin
is very dubious about whether they have what it takes to go from words to concrete action.
A lot of well-informed sources say that Poroshenko controls nothing anyway, and that
the local CIA station chief is taking all the decisions. So if, like I think, Obama and
his puppets will over-rule Merkel and Hollande, then a Russian military intervention will happen.
"Anonymous" above quoted Dugin as saying that the intervention will happen in 10 days. I
am not a big fan of Dugin, but that sounds about right to me.
The Saker
Anonymous said...
"Donetsk and the surrounding cities are half Ukranian."
The Donetsk and Lugansk regions are overwhelmingly Russian-speaking. I'd say over 95%. When
the census asks people what ethnicity they belong to, a Russian-speaking Ukrainian citizen can
go with either Russian or Ukrainian based on his current opinion of local politics or just his
mood that day.
24% of Crimeans called themselves Ukrainians in the last census. Yet according to Pew, an
American polling firm, 88% of them recently wanted the Ukrainian government to recognize their
referendum (the one that reunited them with Russia). Only 4% did not want their referendum recognized.
The rest were undecided. I guarantee to you that in the next census the percentage identifying
themselves as Ukrainians will be at least halved.
If a person feels himself split between two identities, or belonging to both of them, what
sort of events can push him into a single identity? Attempts to ban and demonize his native
language, airstrikes against civilians like him - stuff like that.
The idea that only economic losers in the former USSR are nostalgic about Soviet days is
a Western fantasy. You'd love if that were true, so you just assume that it is true. Trust me,
there js a lot of nostalgia at all levels.
Anonymous:
Putin shakes hands with Porosenko (piggy son in Russian - my own nickname for him), the news
from today hint that Putin somehow managed to influence the situation positively and maybe there
won't be an intervention after all.
But in all cases, this right to intervene will be used only in the worst case scenario. Which
has not yet kicked in.
I guess the only observation worth adding is this.
The atrocities being committed by CIA-financed Neo-Nazi criminals can only, realistically,
have one goal: drawing in Russian troops.
There can be no other goal. Uniting Ukraine? Obviously not. Putting Ukraine on its feet economically?
Obviously not.
No, this is the bully's provocation. But bully's don't do well when someone stands up to
them.
Putin's intelligence, I believe, is excellent. He knows where everything is and where everyone
is. He can act. I don't know what he wants to do.
Daniel Rich said...
War bleeds a country to death. Be it financially, physically or otherwise. One can
defend oneself and be morally right, but in an attack, the defense of righting a wrong does
not equate a win. The dustbin of history is littered with the carcasses of those who have tried.
I don't know Putin and I most certainly can't read his mind. The only option left [to me]
is to geustimate his [in]action/s. I'm not good at chess, but I most certainly would not move
my queen [the combined armed forces] out into the open and expose them to attacks from all sides.
I would use the Ukraine as a 'boat fender' [for the time being] until the USS 'We Keep FF-ng
U Over' has sailed home.
Crossvader said...
Soarintothesky (20.00),
Russian economy doesn't have to stagnate because 50 Russians cannot travel to Riviera.
It started to stagnate well before Crimea, because the price of oil is stagnant. Russia's near
total dependence on the price of oil is its biggest problem.
And joining WTO - Putin's crowning blunder - is what cemented it.
Historically, there never was a single country in the world that became fully developed without
shielding its industry from onslaught of cheap imports, sometimes for a very long time. Russia
is no exeption. Either it exits WTO and resorts to bilateral trade agreements that benefit it
directly - or it will forever remain just a supplier of hydrocarbons with some auxiliary indusries,
and not much else.
I believe Putin's calculation was that Russia would attract whole bunch of chemical plants because
of the abundance of cheap feedstock, but since that didn't happen and won't happen, WTO membership
is worse than useless - it's harmful.
UK, of course, is NOT growing. The nominal GDP may be rising, but since Brits cook their
inflation statistics (just like Americans do), the growth is way overstated. Real GDP deflator
is around 5 percent, not 1 percent the official data suggests. Therefore even 5 percent headline
growth number is just a stagnation. Everyone in Britain, except for Cameron and Osborne, know
that. There is not enough lipstick in the world to make that pig look good.
UK finances are a horror show, and the main reason why Brits are so reluctant to put kibosh
on inflow of Russian money. Total stock of debt of 600% of GDP is unprecedented for a major
country, and a perfect chokehold on British economy. It's not going anywhere.
jo6pac said...
Here's what we in Amerika see from the so-called liberal press.
Saker I do believe you are on the right track and it's not going to be long before Putin
does step in. The bombing of not only citizens and destruction of power grids and water systems
is what Amerika has done all around the world. If you can't win the whole prize then leave nothing
behind that's usable. The neo-con cycle-0-paths war cry.
14. Personal conversation by phone mid day today with person living near Krasni Liman. Person
states right sector is looting shops, confiscating cars, trucks and buses. A few civilian men shot
down in local streets. Some young women have been outraged. Person says no food allowed in to their
living area location. Person states person and children eating porridge made from stored cattle
food using water from local stream. Porridge is not cooked, barley soaked in water until soft, eaten
cold. Water and electric cut off. Right sector going door to door checking documents and confiscating
computers and cell phones. If no one answers door right sector breaks door down. If anyone in house
or flat they are beaten and sometimes shot. Citizens with Russian passports are arrested and taken
away. Fate unknown. Could hear screams and shouts at not great distance from cell phone, person
stopped phone in mid sentence. I did not call back for fear of endangering person.
Anonymous said...
"Krasni Liman. All males ages 18-40 being arrested by right sector. Those arrested are being
taken out of town. Fates unknown."
Have people already forgotten the lessons of the Great Purge (1937)? Why do they let anyone
arrest them? Everyone who has not yet read the Gulag Archipelago should read it.
Larchmonter445 said...
Krasni Liman looks like it will be the scene of Right Sector massacres.
DIana M. CNN had a camera crew and interviewed a woman. CNN reporter said only the hospital
was hit by air attack. Showed the strafing, the blasts. Naively, she wondered why the hospital
was the target.
All men taken out. No cell phones, no photos. But women reporting last twenty-four hours
of dozens executed in homes and in the hospital.
This is the blood lust we all feared.
They are "cleaning" the evidence of their ethnic cleansing.
Pray for Krasni Liman men. Pray for all the embattled Russians of the East.
I pray for just enough brotherly help to come across the border to save the others.
Sorry to respectfully disagree with you, but this has not been tried before:
A federation or confedracy traps those scumbag morons in Western Ukraine from carrying out
any further Foreign Policy decisions while cutting them off from any subsidies from Eastern
Ukraine: putting those deluded lazy 3rd worlders in their rightful place forever.
If the EU gets Western Ukraine, they will not stop destabilizing Eastern Ukraine at a later
date; you cannot compromise with NAZIs only crush them.
Anonymous said...
BBC ran an interview with 3 people from Kharkov - 2 women and a man - that pretty well sums
up the divisions of opinion (and the intransigence and dislike for Russia amongst the Euromaidan
crowd). The reporter was there in the city. Can't find it on their website or I would post a
link. They broke it up into pieces - maybe they will post it entire at some point. As another
commenter said Russia has done little to help themselves over the years since independence -
tended to look down on Ukrainians, perhaps with a kind of ambivalence: "So you want to be independent?
Have at it" and then watched in bemusement at mess that was made but did little to foster reconciliation.
Yes gas subsidies, but that is a bit abstract and did nothing to soften attitudes. Not that
Europe did more, but like a family squabble bitterness tends to be harder to dispel among
those who are closest. As a consequence the majority of Ukrainians are very divided in
their opinions and don't have a clear sense of where they want to go either.
Moscow Exile said...
As regards the Kharkov interviews, it's hardly surprising that there exists petulance towards
Russia there: it's only 20 miles or so to the nearest Russian city, Belgorod, and the difference
between the standards of living in Russia and the Ukraine are apparent. When you cross the frontier
by train, at all the stops in the Ukraine the platforms swarm with folk trying to earn a crust
selling home-made pies, bottles of beer, crayfish, smoked fish from local rivers, pastries,
fruit etc., etc. Of course, this happens at Russian stops in the provinces, but in the Ukraine
I reckon that the numbers hawking their wares at stations is at least five times larger than
what one sees in Russia. I first noticed this in 2004 whilst travelling to the Crimea in order
to spend our family summer holidays there. And the trains were also packed with money changers
as well, desperate to buy rubles.
Svobodaland (Galacia, Volyn, Kiev City) clearly wants to go EU/NATO/Austerity, with big majorities
supporting this path. Its not possible for this to be reconcile with what the rest of Ukraine
wants, which is why Ukraine is being torn apart.
The best thing for everyone would be to saw off the west half of the country at the border
of Vinnitsia and Zhitomir and let Ultima Banderastan try to go and become part of the EU. Its
not a reward for the EU to take these people in, its really a punishment, and it would be a
blessing for all the rest of Ukraine to wave goodbye to them.
Mulga Mumblebrain said...
In the local MSM sewer, not a word is allowed to be uttered concerning the growing Banderist
atrocities in Novorossya, and they are actively denied as 'fabrications'.
One particularly odious voice is the sham 'Human Rights Watch, a New York Jewish front group,
dedicated to Imperial agit-prop, and another the hideous Navi Pillay, the US stooge at the UN
human rights organisation.
The sheer extremity of the lying is quite unprecedented, because the situation, the terminal
decline of Europe's 500 year reign of terror over humanity, is unprecedented. This will end
in war or Putin's overthrow then the dismemberment of Russia. The Real Evil Empire is allowing
no other outcome.
I asked Mr. Poroshenko about how much you two argued after the Orange Revolution, which people
say is one reason the Orange Revolution failed. Have you learned anything from this? Are you going
to argue again?
The reason why the Orange Revolution failed was not because the leaders were fighting with each
other but because the president who was elected on the wave of the Orange Revolution took over all
the corrupt schemes that existed during the previous presidency. Within a couple of months, the
oligarchs had adopted a new president. Clearly, with this background, we [Poroshenko and I] had
a clear conflict. A few months later [then-President Viktor] Yushchenko made his choice by staying
in contact with oligarchs and by dismissing me from the position of prime minister. Today there
is a big threat that the consequences of this revolution will not be what we want them to be if
the de facto oligarchs stay in power and retain their control.
Are you referring to Poroshenko?
I am not against big business. I am against politics and business being in corrupt connections
with each other. Poroshenko now continues this story. The most powerful corrupt group that was near
Yanukovych was [businessman
Dmytro] Firtash, [former fuel and energy minister Yuri] Boyko and Serhiy Lyovochkin [former
chief of staff to Yanukovych].
And they are still around?
Now they have adopted Poroshenko. The FBI had initiated a criminal [bribery] case against Firtash
[and] found him in Vienna. Poroshenko and [politician Vitali] Klitschko went recently to Vienna
and met Firtash, Lyovochkin and Boikin there. They agreed on strategic cooperation. After that,
Firtash came out and made a public statement that he supports Poroshenko. Firtash owns one of the
biggest television channels here. This channel starts transmitting the election campaign of Poroshenko.
Lyovochkin makes a public statement about supporting Poroshenko. Lyovochkin de facto becomes the
campaign manager of Poroshenko. Now there is the question of, what has the revolution changed
The Russian delegation at the session of the OSCE Permanent Council raised the issue of the use
by Kiev's military heavy weapons and aircraft in the East of Ukraine, said Russia's permanent representative
to the OSCE Andrei Kelin.
"Punitive operation of the Ukrainian law enforcers has all the features of violations of international
humanitarian law, particularly the Geneva conventions of 1949," said Kelin, RIA "Novosti".
According to him, it is about the reported use of the Ukrainian party exploding bullets, cluster
bombs and artillery. "There is information from the OSCE observation mission about the use of tanks,
artillery and aviation," said Kelin.
"We asked a lot of questions, but Ukrainian Ambassador was unable to answer any, other then to the
usual attempts to transfer the responsibility to Russia," said Kelin.
Let's remind the readers, that since mid-April, the Kyiv authorities conduct in the East of Ukraine
punitive operation against supporters of independence of Donetsk and Lugansk national republics,
which declared the desire to separate from Ukraine after the coup d'etat occurred in the country
on 22 February after several days of clashes in the centre of Kiev.
Active hostilities have been suspended for the time of the may 25 presidential election, but
resumed the next day. Poroshenko, who won the election, in the categorical form has demanded
that the security forces "clean up" before the his inauguration including the territory of Donetsk
and Lugansk regions. Security forces are actively using heavy artillery and combat aircraft. Reported
numerous civilian casualties and the destruction of houses and infrastructure.
In Moscow power in a special operation in the East of Ukraine called punitive and demand from
Kiev to immediately stop it.
Russia said Wednesday that it was open for cooperation with major Western powers, but ruled out
a return to the Group of Eight (G8), made up of the seven most industrialized nations, known as
G7, and Russia.
"Such a format does not exist for now," Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov told a Russian radio
station.
Russia would, however, continue to participate in the Group of 20, which includes the most developed
and major developing countries of the world, Peskov said.
Leaders of G7 declared in March that they would boycott the G8 summit in Sochi, where they were
scheduled to have met with Russia this week. Instead, they gathered in Brussels for a two-day G7
summit.
Secretary of State John Kerry accused the Kremlin of fomenting the unrest, calling the protests
the work of saboteurs whose machinations were as "ham-handed as they are transparent." Speaking
to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, he added: "No one should be fooled - and believe
me, no one is fooled - by what could potentially be a contrived pretext for military intervention
just as we saw in Crimea. It is clear that Russian special forces and agents have been
the catalysts behind the chaos of the last 24 hours."
QUESTION: But, Mr President, the United States and the White House claim they have evidence
that Russia intervened in the conflict, sent its troops and supplied weapons. They claim they
have proof. Do you believe that?
VLADIMIR PUTIN: Proof? Why don't they show it? "Any evidence?" ...
Secretary of State John Kerry also spent time talking with Mr. Poroshenko, privately
urging him to provide evidence of Russian involvement with separatists with which to
confront Russian officials.
What a lying piece of shit.
james
from saker's - "National guard/right sector entered Railroad Hospital Krasni Liman and shot
dead 37 wounded Donbas Army soldiers and civilians and at least 1 hospital worker. Confirmed."
isn't going into a hospital and doing this a war crime?
Oddlots
Indeed.
I particularly liked this bit of commentary from earlier:
"We're seeing ridiculous stories to that effect, like one in the New York Times headlined
"Russians Revealed among Ukraine Fighters."
No kidding-Russians are among the members of an ethnic-Russian militia in a Russian-majority
area of Ukraine, bordering Russia? Scary stuff!"
"Any government has the right to assert its writ on its own sovereign territory. But
this "anti-terrorist operation" is being conducted in regions where the population was already
overwhelmingly opposed to the government in Kiev. A mid-April poll found that over 70 percent
of the population in both Donetsk and Lugansk consider that government "illegal."
A separate survey indicated that 80 percent believe it does not represent all of Ukraine."
This seems part of a campaign for increased sanctions that had mixed results yesterday in
Brussels at the G-7 meeting. Russia must be blamed for a legitimate uprising by Donbass citizens.
How else to rationalize further sanctions? Also, as the ATO atrocities mount -- the junta will
attempt to make an example of Slovyansk -- they can be dismissed as Russian provocateurs hiding
among civilians.
All of this is reminiscent of how Israel treats the Palestinian Authority. But Russian is
not the PA, and Putin is not Mahmoud Abbas.
Yes, the American Government and Corporate Media are lying. Lately the news is getting hysterical.
Corporate media cannot talk about the Nazi Coup in Kiev, the Right Sector rampage through
Eastern Ukraine, or the likelihood of nuclear holocaust if NATO and Russia get in a shooting
war. Instead, the reporting has been about Veterans dying because they could not get appointments
and lately the return of the only prisoner of war from Afghanistan. Politicians of both parties
said he should have been left there.
Nobody is saying how crazy this is. No sane persons would join the military now with
a European War threatening and the contempt the Elite hold for soldiers. The only people
who will fight for the flailing American Empire are Nazis and Jihadists who will in the end
turn around and happy kill any Americans left they run across.
Colinjames
Hoarsewhisper #9 that's beautiful, I might even repost that an other sites, with attribution
of course. Anyways, two good pieces concerning the real ham-handed hypocritices and the double
standards of US foreign policy
It absolutely drives me crazy hearing Obama and Kerry lecture the world about human rights
and democracy and foreign intervention and on and on you all know the drill, while the distance
between their actions and their words can only be measured in light years. Many, many, many
light years.
i took years and years of spanish in high school and college. In my last class, we had to
read cervantes in the original medieval spanish... completely useless if you're ordering ia
beer in a tijuana bar
but the light came on, and cevantes was a miracle. maybe if enough people learn english,
we can realize how alike we are, all of us
The head of the lower house Foreign Relations Committee believes Ukrainian President-elect Petro
Poroshenko tends to work on instructions from Washington, and these concentrate on making Ukraine
an anti-Russian state.
"I get the impression that Poroshenko is completely oriented toward the United States, that
the European Union is a second priority project for him. He connects his political ambitions mostly
with Washington," MP Aleksey Pushkov said in an interview with the mass circulation daily Izvestia.
He elaborated that European leaders mostly want the situation in Ukraine to stabilize, while
the United States seeks to turn the country into "an openly anti-Russian nation, in future dragging
it into NATO."
Pushkov noted that Poroshenko's behavior can be explained by the current political situation
in his country.
"Today the country is run by forces that see conflict with Russia as a self-sufficient objective.
The conflict helps Kiev to establish the national identity that is not being formed from within,
but results from the standoff with Moscow. This is the identity they intend to use to gain ground
in the international political arena," the MP said.
According to Pushkov, all recent statements from the new Ukrainian leader are far from reality.
In particular, the promises not to buy natural gas from Russia, relying on reverse supplies from
Europe were unfounded as not all countries could organize the reverse traffic and the reserves of
the gas are not sufficient for Ukraine's needs.
"Such hopes are nonsense. Poroshenko will have to deal with Russia," the legislator
stated.
Pushkov also said in the interview that Russia will not be taking part in the June session of
the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe. This was a reaction to recently introduced
sanctions – PACE deprived the Russian delegation of the voting right, denied participation in monitoring
missions and ruling bodies of the organization till the end of the year.
In reply, Russia decided to completely suspend the cooperation with PACE and State Duma Speaker
Sergey Naryshkin informed the assembly's chair, Anne Brasseur, about this decision in an
official letter, Pushkov told the newspaper. He added that participation with no rights had
hardly any benefits and noted that Russia was among PACE's largest donors, with 23 million euro
(US$31.4 million) transferred to the assembly's budget.
"The assembly sees the emergence of a new united front of people who do not want to know
the truth and who reject even the obvious facts. Their task is to launch an Inquisition process
against Russia and to substantiate the western support of the Kiev regime," Pushkov said.
In was Aleksey Pushkov who first called upon the Russian delegation to PACE to leave the body's
sessions in protest of sanctions.
"We admit the possibility that the anti-Russian passions could prevail in PACE, but in this
case we consider it necessary not to allow the vote to strip the Russian delegation of its powers.
If we see that is likely the Russian delegation would walk out of the session before the actual
vote and thus there will be no one to deprive of powers. We will not give our opponents the pleasure
to vote for our exemption," Pushkov said in a
parliamentary
speech in early April.
President Barack Obama will press European leaders this week to keep up pressure on Russia over
its threatening moves in Ukraine, while seeking to assuage fears from Poland and other Nato allies
that the west could slip back into a business-as-usual relationship with Moscow.
Obama's four-day
trip to Poland, Belgium and France comes against the backdrop of successful national elections in
Ukraine and signs that Russia is moving most of its troops off its shared border with the former
Soviet republic. Yet violence continues to rage in eastern Ukrainian cities and there remains deep
uncertainty about whether Ukraine's new president-elect can stabilize his country.
US officials contend that, even with some signs of progress, Russia has not taken the necessary
steps to ease tensions and could still face additional economic sanctions. Obama will look for western
allies to show a united front during a meeting of the Group of Seven major industrial nations that
was quickly arranged after leaders decided to boycott a meeting Russia had been scheduled to host
this week.
ocixem2
If Obama doesn't get his way, and Europe refuses to fall on its own sword to further US full
spectrum domiance, will Obama gather up his marbles and go home?
bootboys -> ocixem2
I think he lost his marbles a while ago.
whyohwhy1 -> ocixem2
Hopefully he will stay in the US for the rest of his term; doesn't he have problems to solve
over there? Unfortunately "lame duck" presidents often try do something big on the international
stage, perhaps Obama will send useless Kerry to the Middle East again (to distract from Israeli
crimes).
Monday March 24th - President Obama arrives in The Netherlands, tours the Rijksmuseum
and holds a bilateral meeting with Prime Minister Rutte of The Netherlands, before participating
in a bilateral meeting with President Xi Jinping of China at the United States Ambassador's
residence before arriving at the World Forum to participate in the Nuclear Security Summit.
well it is time that people put pressure on america by simply throwing out their ambassadors….because
america is a threat to world peace and have been so since the americans overthrew the government
in iran and installed the shah pahlavi….hell the americans are so rotten they even spy on their
friends like merkel…as for pressurizing russia ….hah,,,,,what crack has obama been smoking…america
is so bankrupt that it is now a question of when not if america collapses under its unpayable
debt….should interest rates go to a measly 5% america collapses….
should russia china and india
sell off their ever value losing american treasuries…..interest rates could easily climb to
10% ….when will this happen….when russia china india have hedged their reserves in gold bullion….wake
up people….. already russia china india are in discussions regarding closer energy and trade
agreements….
already russia china and india are buying massive amounts of gold…..
Sergei Konyushenko -> stephanblack
There's a lot of sense in your comment. That's exactly why they're so desperate to spread chaos
and violence everywhere.
EU had deliberately participated in a very dangerous game over Ukraine
and I guess it suits the US goals, too.
manner
Only fools trust Obama. From a book about all the presidents
BARACK & MICHELLE OBAMA
Clinton all over again - hates the military and looks down on the Secret Service. He is egotistical
and cunning. He looks you in the eye and appears to agree with you but turns around and does
the opposite. He has temper tantrums.*
She is a complete b*^ch who basically hates anybody who is not black, hates the military
and looks at the Secret Service as servants.*
ocixem2 -> manner
I don't understand all this partisan hatred.
Obama kept Bush's same Secretary of Defense, Robert Gates, who was Daddy Bush's #2 man at
the CIA when the elder Bush headed up the agency in the 1970s.
Obama kept on Victoria Nuland, also a neocon holdover from the Bush administration.
Obama re-appointed Bush's Fed Chairman, Ben Bernanke, a neoliberal true believer cut out
of the same cloth as his predecessor, Alan Greenspan.
Obama elevated Bush's head of the NY Fed, Tim Geithner, to Treasury Secretary. Geithner is
another one who never met a politically conected banker he didn't want to lavish a taxpayer
bailout on.
New boss same as the old boss, and this regarless of party affiliation.
gwp3 -> manner
What book is that then? The Big Tea Party Book of Presidents?
magicspoon3
Oh the irony. A few years ago the EU member states and many in Europe were calling the UK
the poodle of the USA, now the EU is the USA poodle. Just wait until the Eu signs all EU countries
trading over to the USA and takes our trade away. It will be a one way USA benefit.
Of course the USA with Kerry is trying to get the EU to go to economic war with Russia
over Ukraine, to get the economic spoils. Are people so naive? What would make the USA
the most fed up? A UK, EU, Russian and Chinese trade pact! The USA can see this and is trying
to stir up trouble between the EU and Russia.
diabolus -> magicspoon3
Tell that to the Pols, because they are very, very concerned about Russias involvement in
the Eastern Ukraine. Invasion by states, or clandestine invasion are a real and serious credible
threat to sovereignty. This is far larger than some ridiculous plan which sees the US profiting
and the formation of a new Euro/Sino/Russo customs union.
ocixem2 -> diabolus
Invasion by states, or clandestine invasion are a real and serious credible threat to sovereignty.
Gosh, I wish somebody would have thought about that before US/NATO inflicted all that "shock
and awe" on Iraq.
hfakos -> diabolus
Ok, so the Pols can pay Ukraine's gas bills, nobody stops them if that's what they wish to
do. We Hungarians, on the other hand, are not that worried about a Russian invasion.
We would
like to be able to do business with them, upgrade our Russian nuclear power plant, and also
benefit from South Stream.
I hope saner nations in the EU will prevent Sikorski from becoming
a higher-level EU functionary. The last thing we need is waging war against the Russians on
America's behalf.
Obama should shut down the Guantanamo gulag first, before giving lectures
on morality.
alsojusticeseeker -> magicspoon3
US suggestion to NATO to break the deal between Paris and Moscow to supply 2 navy ships and
to buy out both for NATO!
Fantastic move - European taxpayers will be more than happy to pay for increased military
budgets and for the rest of this political stupidity.
palindrome -> hfakos
Great post. Any war with Russia (economic or shooting) is completely against the interest
of the European countries. This is the USA using the EU to divide and conquer again. It's up
to us to say no to the EU and no to this stupid game of antagonising Russia with nothing to
gain a lot to lose for Europe.
Nonfundee -> diabolus
Russia is not threatening anyone else anymore. Poland/Baltics just want to have more attention
to themselves.
Who can think that Poland is threatened by Russia ? And who cares about the Baltic
states .. Just a noise
annette83 -> diabolus
Have you already forgotten 1940s, and Volyn massacre when Ukrainian nationalists (UPA party)
drew up a plan to exterminate all the Poles, Jews and Russians? Among the leaders were Stepan
Bandera, Klim Kavur for example.. And in the process murdered thousands of WOMEN, CHILDREN in
Poland, just like Hitler did? The Poles seem to have forgotten that too soon....
And today Ukrainians even have monuments to Bandera, Kavur and some other people in charge
of mass murders in that period.
And today's Svoboda party in Ukraine in the successor of the UPA.
Why are European politicians still keeping silent about all of that??
If Europe stops supporting the Americans with their promotion of fascism in Ukraine and Europe,
this fascist movement in Ukraine will just stop, piano piano. If not, it can get really ugly
in here.
Sergei Konyushenko -> hfakos
It's completely bullshit, I mean the Poles paranoia. First of all, it's not going to happen
and Russia needs no Poland land. And Europe should not sacrifice it's economies due to the poles
disorders. Poland has to admit it's failed to play the most desirable role as Ukraine EU conductor.
hfakos Sergei -> Konyushenko
I can tell you that most Hungarians are not very keen on footing the Kiev gang's gas bill,
when its first act was to ban minority languages, including Hungarian.
I know Turchynov didn't
sign it, but still. The poles are still a bit angry because Nord Stream reduced their blackmail
potential. Once South Stream is online Ukraine's blackmail potential will also be reduced. Will
be good for stability.
indoorain -> diabolus
Poles have their calculation crying : "Wolf, Wolf, ..." where wolf is nowhere near and pretty
disinterested in Poland at all. Poland calculates to squeeze political points,rise their own
political position/power in the region and snack some $.
Mutually agreed somewhere in the past
they are now doing well planned favour to the big brother. That's what is all about. Pretty
miserable out of Poles.
ocixem2 -> diabolus
The rise in nationalistic sentiment may be lamentable, but it is understandable. It arises
because Europe is ruled by an unelected, supranational technocratic elite which could care less
whether everyday Europeans live or die.
As Hannah Arendt noted in The Origins of Totalitariansm:
The Rights of Man, after all, had been defined as "inalienable" because they were supposed
to be independent of all governments; but it turned out that the moment human beings lacked
their own government and had to fall back upon their minimum rights, no authority was left
to protect them and no institution willing to guarantee them.
CookiesForMaidan
Some think Obama is stupid, or crazy - I don't think he matters at all.
US Military block making brilliant work on destabilizing both EU and Russia, breaking
business links and trade agreements, while creating long-term neo-liberal-nazi regime in Ukraine
which in 5-10 years of receiving military and financial help will be able to go war at any chosen
direction. Reminds me of creating of nazi germany with the help of UK and US.
MartynInEurope
Europe should send a simple message to Obama: No You Can't!
Marqus
It seems that Obama is under tough pressure now to declare more and more sanctions. He and
his friends from the schoolyard can't understand that world has changed a lot and it's time
to make it more peacefully if their intention is not to start the WW3.
Maybe all of them live in Psaki world. If so I regret it
twiglette
How about Obama pressurises his clients in Kiev to stop shelling and bombing civilian cities?
Reiner Torheit -> twiglette
How about Obama pressurises his clients in Kiev to stop shelling and bombing civilian
cities?
Because there is no stigma in murdering civilians - once obliging newspapers have labelled
their corpses as "gunmen", "insurgents", "rebels" and so forth.
If these people were true Ukrainian patriots, they'd stop trying to dodge the missiles fired
at them by the Ukrainian armed forces, wouldn't they?
After all, as William Hague says - if they've not done anything wrong, they have nothing
to fear. And the Graun is a tenacious supporter of Mr Hague these days.
The US is desperate to promote an atmosphere of conflict with Russia, and is trying to
use every opportunity and every excuse to isolate Putin and escalate a culture of 'cold war'.
Every time it happens more and more people are forced to wake up to the reality that it's not
Russia stirring the pot, it's the US, and for no reason other than the fact that the West is
bankrupt and the US needs a major war to prevent the total collapse of the dollar as the world's
reserve currency.
Well Mr Obama (Nobel Peace Prize winner) - you are no longer fooling anybody
any longer!
LizaLane
Jeez! Will the Grauniad never give up on this rubbish? Nothing at all about the fascists
and neo-nazis in Kiev who have been aided and abetted by the said Obama and his CIA spivs.
Does Grauniad think we have no memory?
Alderbaran
Pressure absolutely needs to be maintained on Russia - Russia has already claimed Crimea
to be its own and its destabilisation of Eastern Ukraine continues. Europe relies more on Russia
for fuel and trade than the US but to discount action against the Kremlin purely on the grounds
of short term economics would be a mistake.
When I read the majority of posts on this forum, I feel I've stepped into an alternative
universe in which conspiracies are rife but I enjoyed the article.
Skywithclouds -> Alderbaran
That's because money don't fall from the sky, you know.
People are always want to make someone else to sacrifice their hard work and benefits for
them, not pay themselves.
So if someone is not motivated enough to freeze and starve for your behalf, it's understandable.
I suspect you yourself wouldn't want to give up your life, food and money to "put pressure
on anyone". Or would you?)
edwardrice -> Alderbaran
Russia has already claimed Crimea to be its own and its destabilisation of Eastern
Ukraine continues.
The EU/US backed coup in Kiev happened BEFORE Russia annexed Crimea and people in the east
opposed to the coup regime in Kiev took up arms.
bibi62 -> Alderbaran
Crimea did happen as Russia has to react to an aggression. Furthermore already in 2008 Putin
warned that he could take back Crimea if NATO was to come close to its borders. US was warned,
they proceeded the same with the coup in Kiev, they knew what they were going against back then
already, they thought they'd be superhero but actually things didnt turn out the way they planned
so now they put the blame on Russia.
Doug Salzmann
"Putin may not get to host the G-8 but if he gets to go to Normandy with everybody, it begins
to diminish the appearance of isolation," said Steven Pifer, the former US ambassador to Ukraine.
. .
Astute observation and analysis from one a distinguished diplomat.
The whole thing sounds like a bunch of teen-aged mean girls scheming to punish "outsiders"
during party planning.
Hi there, it's me. Sweet little Vicky Nuland, your friendly next-door neocon with the magical
cookie oven!
Look, I just don't understand what &**#& Osama is doing swanning around Yurp when he should
be in the Youcrane. I bet it's that $%@$#% wife of his who needs a new Parisian outfit to compete
with Angelina at the anti-Bozo Harlem Free Our Girls fundraiser.
I was going to go but I got
a urgent call from the Choclogarch cutting me in big time on a chocolate-coated cookie joint-venture
complete with EU guarantees and a tax hiatus until 2075 provided we launch a full-scale air
assault on Moscow. Frankly it would be easier to teach Pussy Riot how to sing but the State
Dept.'s motto has always been Challenges R Us so rev up the engines, load up those cruise missiles
and bring out the baking trays!!! Yeeeeeee-hah!!!!
DontMakeSense
Bombama, corporate prostitute, doing the bidding for USA energy exporters
oz7com
Obama has been a terrific President. I would vote for him again.
He is patient and prudent -- not excessive nor rash in judgment.
Compassion for others is not a weaknesses.
Doug Salzmann -> oz7com
Sarcasm, I sincerely hope.
FulanoZutano -> oz7com
He is not a terrific president. He never stands up to Israel. He was nearly dragged into
war with Syria. He provided support for the overthrow of Ghadafi which has left al-Qaeda with
a new base in Libya. His done attacks have killed hundreds of innocent people.
As if that weren't enough, now he is interfering in Ukrainian politics.
He is a foreign policy numbskull, just like Bush.
che_rry
Obama will be rallying the European elites in his project to isolate, contain, and eventually,
perhaps, engineer a regime change in Russia.
Western European masses are kind of alienated from
their poodle governments, as the recent PE elections have demonstrated. They may not want to
make sacrifices to help a bankrupt, exceptionalist, and belligerent Uncle Sam maintain the unipolar
world order. In spite of the best efforts of the MSM, the whole world knows that the US is the
one stoking tensions and that NATO is the true aggressor and the greatest danger to world peace.
As for Poland and the other Eastern Europeans, their enthusiastic support for the US in its
quest to destroy Russia and conquer the world, is folly of such great proportions that you have
to question the sanity of their leadership.
alleluia
Great American strategy:
Let Europe fight Russia.
Let Asian fight China.
Let the America rest on the benefit of war as America always does.
Popeyes
David Cameron has slammed Brussels for asking for taxpayer's cash for crisis torn Ukraine.
Brussels are demanding an extra £500 million from Britain to help Ukraine and to cover youth
unemployment projects there (and they are not in the E.U.) With things spiraling out of control
it is going to cost us a lot more than that.
Perhaps he should have realised there is no such
thing as a free ride.
Marqus -> Popeyes
Poroshenko and others in Ukraine are ready and hungry for all extra money to use except for
those to pay debts.
They know how to use your money, that's why they become billionaires
Ed Bighi
I have had enough of Bush and now Obama. As an American expatriate living in Europe, I can
only dream about the day European leaders have just half the cojones Putin has in order to send
Obama or whoever else is the next idiot to go packing. Enough already.
Go mind your own business
already. Hell, fix the US for starters.
Fix the bridges.
Make Detroit look like Vienna.
Make
the interstates look like European highways.
But nah. Instead this mook keeps telling the world
what to do.
johnny66
Russia can rise to power with the East. There is no reason for Russia to beg the West for
acceptance....
The 21st century belongs to the East, to China and India. The enormous expanse
of Russia sits above both of these most populous of all countries))
It would have been nice
if we had managed the Russian relationship better over the last decade, but we did not.....
Marqus -> johnny66
It's true and it's the envy of USA
AfinaPallada
Maybe Mr. Obama will finally urge the newly-elected Ukrainian President Poroshenko to sell
his privately owned TV-channel?
Eager to see that...yet, being afraid he won't, just because some animals are more equal,
than the others...and there is a also a nice tradition of USA started from Somosa's support
as Mr. Roosevelt put in once and forever.
Some words about a poor son...)))
Doug Salzmann -> AfinaPallada
As far as I'm concerned, he can keep his TV station, for now, if he'll stop the attacks on
the people of the east.
MysticFish
How does the US think; that getting Ukrainian Nazis to murder Ukrainian civilians is likely
to persuade Russia to ease tensions when Russia is so obviously not the country trying to create
the tensions in the first place?
Russia, from what I can see, is not carrying out outrageous
acts: instead, it's blatantly evident (from all the gory photos and videos) that rampaging Nazis
are the ones creating tension by carrying out macabre and indiscriminate killing on their own
country's civilian population.
US backing of these extremists is hardly prudent: it is Ukraine's
civilian population getting hurt and to what end? What can possibly justify the means being
used?
RobertNeville
The US is led by some of the crassest ideology, which has no place in the emerging new world,
despite Obama recently saying,
The idea that any US citizen, black or white, is inherently and manifestly better than a
black or white person elsewhere in the world suggests to me that Obama is an American exceptional
racist who is in charge of a Nazi rogue state.
LINK
Marqus
Actually it's very difficult to meet with Putin in private. That's why the g8 or 7 leaders
didn't want to come to sochis summit. They just haven't had nuts to face and listen to the truth
backed by Putin.
And that's why all the bilateral talks with Obama always were so tough. He might understand
that Putin is right but he's abide by his warmongers from fascington.
He cannot do more than Nuland and Psaki have written for him
Sergei Konyushenko -> Marqus
Ah... So it might be Psaki, who has written that there was referendum in Kosovo...
Then it's
no surprise to me...
Samaritan1962
This is a moment of truth from Obama - abandon Russian gas and buy American, twice or three
times more expensive. Disgusting.
Meanwhile, on the 27th of May, WaPo publishes an article about Poroshenko asking for American
military aid, comparing it to lend-lease. Oh, it's so common to compare Putin to Hitler, so
why not call it lend-lease?
As usual, the comment section is more interesting than the article. The general tone of the
comments would be best summarized by a post from christianmiller-
"No. No weapons, no money, no involvement."
By the way, not so many comments there - 145. As well as this very article is not being commented
on very fast. No surprise, though. When it's about YOUR money, Europeans, you suddenly became
deaf, exactly like Americans.
Please don't think I support giving these Kiev thugs even a halfpenny.
Poroshenko promised hungry
Ukrainian soldiers a hundredfold salary compared to the miserable one given before. But where
is the promised money? Poroshenko can easily refund some of the costs from his pocket. He has
been in the governments before - together with Yuschenko and Yanukovich.
So his startup capital
roots into the same source as Yanukovich's.
Obama "presses EU to keep pressure on Russia." Wow, it looks like the EU is being pressed
and forced to do something. Some good partner they found in the US.
RoyRoger
President-elect Petro Poroshenko
Dead fascist walking !!
vr13vr
Seriously though, WTF. Why the corner stone of Obama's policy is to do something against
Russia? Russia isn't doing anything wrong. They are calling for dialogue and cease of violence
in Ukraine, they are working together with Europe, they become a reliable and stable trading
partner. But Obama's goal seems to be picking up fights with Russia no matter what and strong
arming other countries to do the same. WTF!
tiojo
There is little hope for a peaceful settlement in Ukraine when President elect Poroshenko
takes the well worn and shamelessly exploited line that those in the East of his country who
don't support him are 'terrorists'.
PullingTheStrings -> tiojo
Slight correction. Anyone in opposition to the US is a terrorist because when the US supports
them they are rebel freedom fighters.
Vocalista tiojo
Communism was for decades the West's bogeyman.
Unfortunately for the powers that (should not) be, communism collapsed in 1989.
A new bogeyman was needed to continue the massive spending on defence, spying and the 'military
industrial complex'.
Terrorism is the new bogeyman...terrorism is the new communism.
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous
to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
H. L. Mencken
PullingTheStrings
We all known the Ukraine unrest was directly due to the US trying to corner the gas and oil
market. And who is their main rival for Gas and Oil Russia and where does the Russian pipes
run through? ... The Ukraine !! Da Da!
Kamik11 -> PullingTheStrings
The funny thing is that they recently called Russia a gas station with a shade of a mockery
but at the same time they are obviosly trying to become such a gas station for Europe instead
of Russia.
Sergei Konyushenko
We very much admired that the people of Ukraine have turned out in huge numbers to elect
President-elect Poroshenko," said Ben Rhodes, Obama's deputy national security adviser. "We've
admired his commitment to pursue dialogue and to aim to reduce tensions and put Ukraine on a
positive path."
Fifty percent turnout, and a bit more than fifty percent of the populace given their votes
for him. What a huge number!
It has to be noticed that the large part of the voters who did not support maidan had no candidate
to vote for. Those who were representing the Southeast, beaten by Nazi crowd and signed off
the pursuit. For the first time in history,there's no communist candidate
Sergei Konyushenko -> Sergei Konyushenko
Shelling is a positive path, yeah, Ben Rhodes.
znaika -> Sergei Konyushenko
For the country where the President can be elected by minority of voters it is a beacon of
democracy.
PullingTheStrings
So Poroshenko, The US's lastest puppet
ramous:
I don't like Putin at all but I dislike the criminal state the US has become even more.
There on a warpath looking for a fight. There hypocrisy is so blatant you have to think they
just don't care. This is a state that out of control and the world needs to do something about
it before they do something really stupid.
Caroline Louise
Hmm...don't you get the impression that when they war-gamed this little Ukraine scenario
they assumed that by now Russia would have been goaded into doing something they could describe
as aggressive? Don't you get the impression that by now Russia was supposed to have sent
troops into Donbass so that Obama and his puppets could all get together to condemn Putin as
a new Hitler at the D-Day celebration.
Sadly, Russia hasn't obliged, which leaves the actors all floundering. Their script about
Russian aggression and "danger" makes no sense, yet they stick to it, because no one has a better
plan, or maybe any plan at all.
Where's this going? The answer seems to get no clearer.
Larry144 -> Caroline Louise
The likely outcome is that Ukrainians will get tired of the IMF austerity and extreme poverty
and will negotiate a deal with Russia, where Putin will ask them to stop the civil war and leave
the Eastern Ukraine alone.
Ukraine seceded from the Soviet Union peacefully. Nobody was trying to reign them in using
an "antiterrorist operation." It's time for Ukraine to thank the regime-changers in Washington
for destroying the Ukrainian government and economy and to move on with what's left: the Donetsk
and Lugansk regions are gone and it's no use crying over spilt milk. Most residents there are
now against the Kiev rule. The total population of those regions is about 7 million. Thus, the
Kiev army will have to exterminate 2 or 3 million people in order to regain control over those
regions. Unrealistic.
Ed Bighi
Hey Obama, want to get the Europeans to keep pressure on Russia? Try some goodwill towards
Europe. You want to send Monsanto seeds over as a sign of goodwil you say? Nah, that won't work.
Do this instead. Start by sending Germany its gold back. Considering how much risk Germany is
taking with regards to energy by helping in your little geopolitical game, how about a show
of support with the gold. That will go a long way.
Hottentot
The US needs to stick a sock in it, continually blaming Putin is a nonsense, the US interfered
where it should not, and their plan has gone pear shaped. The EU hopefully, will not play Obama's
or the US game. Mature people will always enter into dialogue, but there again, the US administration,
like the bully boys in the UK, are not adults, hopefully some of the leaders in Europe will
explain to the US their folly, and be professional towards Putin.
ID9793630
In the circumstances of a civil war a 30% mandate is not a unifying statement of a nation's
will. It's marginally OK in peacetime but not in the least convincing with a country as violently
split as Ukraine. Poroshenko, like Abraham Lincoln, needs to win a war to actually demonstrate
that a unified state exists. However in this case the parallels end there Poroshenko is no Lincoln
and the nationalist bigots running the Kiev rump government are not the Union: The more diverse
and outward looking part of Ukraine society may well in fact reside more so in the South and
East despite the reductioinist media fantasy that the 'EuroMaidan' throng = Modern Europeans
who must be supported to bring enlightenment to the benighted Russophile East.
It's not a resounding mandate if you are at war internally and intent exactly upon fomenting
more conflict with your fellow country people. In such a case Poroshenko needs not only a supposed
mandate from an uncertain electorate (for the time being) but he needs to win the war as well.
Or stop the war. But he dorsn't want to do that. As it is he will need to kill a lot of people
before he could possibly claim an indisputable mandate. And he probably will not succeed in
ever getting to that conclusion, giving him the final victor's position. There are too many
powerful nations sticking their nose in the pot with too much to lose for Poroshenko to get
what he and his cronies would like. And even after the line up of external players have wrought
their worst, he still has the angry divided festering nation of all those 45 million Ukrainian
people to deal with. It will be instructive to see how the Ukrainian armed forces disintegrate,
and what they will eventually do in their various formations.
vr13vr
"US ... contend that, even with some signs of progress, Russia has not taken the necessary
steps to ease tensions and could still face additional economic sanctions."
So, Russians calling all parties for dialogue and cease violence is not "taking steps to
ease tension." On the other hand, US call for sanctions is the step to ease tensions. I thought
it's the other way around.
Am I totally confused her or has Obama stopped making sense all together?
Over a thousand people rallied in the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk on Sunday demanding
that children be protected from Kiev's assault, with posters reading "Save Donbass kids from
the Ukrainian army!"
The "Protect Donbass Children" rally saw several hundreds come out on Sunday to the city
center, many holding banners reading "No to the Ukrainian army," "Slavic world without fascism"
and "We are for peace". Mothers with their kids, some injured women among them, demanded an
end to the offensive in the region.
The military operation has not stopped after the Ukrainian elections, but has, in fact, intensified.
Several children were reported injured in Slavyansk on May 30, after the Ukrainian military
shelled the town's residential area, with one of the shells hitting a children's hospital. A
couple of days earlier a school and a kindergarten were damaged by Kiev's fire in Slavyansk.
Women rallying in the region say they want to attract the international community's attention
to the fact that civilians are being targeted by the Ukrainian army.
"Snipers shoot at our children. We don't have words to express it any more, just emotions,
tears and pain," one woman told Mir24 journalists at the rally.
What it appears to be is that Obama is concerned that right now it is Russia who is calling
for dialogue and proposing solutions and as a result Russia could be the one taking the positive
leading role in resolving the conflict, leaving the US diplomacy and influence in dust. And
it looks like Obama is building anti-Russia campaign to prevent them on taking positive role
and overshadowing the US.
Canadianidol vr13vr
With sanctions ransacking the Russian economy who needs diplomacy?
Ernest Jacques
Putin is no saint but it is a truism that whenever and wherever Obama's America and his European
poodles interfere in foreign affair, the end result is chaos, civil war, death, destruction
and misery and wasted billions on weapons of mass destruction. Usually in the name of big money
and in the interests of big multi-national corporations.
The same politicians who glibly talk about Western values remain silent when Russian speaking
Ukrainian are burnt alive by right wing thugs and neo-Nazis.
What a bunch of self-serving hypocrites and what a big disappointment Obama has turned out
to be.
BangTheDrums Ernest Jacques
Yes he's a disappointment but do we expect any different from successive US presidents?
The CIA/ NSA/ Military / State department / Neo-Con hawks are the people pulling the strings.
If they advise him that regime change is required in Libya / Syria / Venezuela /Ukraine he
just goes along with what he's told. He has little influence on US foreign policy.
Dzjebe
Europeans like Russians, remember that 20 million of them died in WWWII. We owe them big
time.
Old_Donkey
Right now, the USA and Poland shouldn't be plotting revenge against Russia. Instead they
should be thinking much harder about how they can stop the violence in Ukraine. Ever since Yanukovich
was overthrown in the American-backed revolt, the country has been tearing itself apart.
Now the Americans are obsessively trying to blame Russia for the insurgency in the Donbass.
But it's clear from the TV footage that the revolt is a grassroots movement and enjoys widespread
sympathy from the local population.
The Ukrainian counter-insurgency campaign is completely unprofessional as it is relying on
undisciplined and poorly trained Right Sector fighters who have been legalized and turned into
the National Guard. Not surprisingly, the result is a rising number of civilian casualties.
Since the revolt enjoys widespread local support, civilian casualties will not frighten the
civilian population into submission but instead will only encourage more local men to take up
arms. If you don't believe me, remember the British experience in Ireland over the past century.
All the talk of sanctions and isolating Russia is a small-minded, inadequate response to
the tragedy in the Donbass. The overriding priority must be to prevent the deaths of innocent
civilians. So rather than encouraging this destructive counter-insurgency campaign, the USA
and Poland should be trying harder to find a diplomatic solution.
PremP
The EU and Obama seem to take it in turns encourage each other to do very stupid things.
The result of their regime change in Libya has so far resulted in:
1/ No more UN mandated intervention ever again. Russia and China will not trust the West
which used a resolution for humanitarian intervention to topple the government.
2/ Massive flows of illegal immigrants into the EU- - as witnessed this week in Melilla.
3/ Islamic genocide followed by anti-Islamic counter-genocide in Central African Republic.
4/ Boko Haram running amok.
5/ Chaos in Mali.
And now we hear that the Brussels Jewish Museum killer is a returned Syrian jihadist.
Be prepared for thousands of Wahabized "British" Pakistanis retuning from Syria to wreak
havoc on these shores.
But have our wise leaders learned anything? Of course not! Another crisis arises - another
opportunity to display spectacular idiocy.
vr13vr
If anything Poland should be worried now, it is not Russia but the borders they are about
to open to their Ukrainian neighbors, with thousands openly fascistic Western Ukrainians entering
their country. Poland has a huge problem on its hands, and it is not the US that is going to
help it.
PekkaRoivanen -> vr13vr
Poland could have been involved in training Right Sector activists months before the February
coup
Maybe the secret US/EU plan is to split Ukraine up into pro-EU and pro-Russia halves, in
an attempt to make what's left of the country politically manageable. Everything they have done
so far looks to have been done with that aim in mind.
Crimea is gone. Donbass is going. Odessa and other parts of the south and east can't be far
behind. My money is on Russia having land access to Crimea by the end of this incredibly stupid
bit of EU/US meddling.
Dzjebe -> EbbTide64
This was not a US/EU plan. There is no EU body that could/would plan such a thing. This was
a US plan, that went wrong, then the EU was asked to clean up the mess.
EbbTide64 -> Dzjebe
The deal that Yanukovytch refused to sign was with the EU. The EU bigwig, Catherine Ashton,
was in Kiev cheering the protesters on before Yanukovytch vanished to Russia.
The EU are in this mess up to their necks.
EbbTide64 -> Tom20000
Russia is protecting Russian-speaking Ukrainians from neo-Nazis and their supporters, because
the Ukrainian government refuses to do so. Seems like a perfectly reasonable course of action,
to me.
Dzjebe -> EbbTide64
The treaty yes, that was the EU. Catherine Ashton, that was the US..
The EU cannot play wargames, it does not have the structure for it.
Larry144 -> Tom20000
There is zero evidence of Russian official involvement in Eastern Ukraine. The Kiev junta
and Washington-friendly media are lying through their teeth.
The rebel governments of Eastern Ukraine appealed to Putin and to Russian parliament repeatedly
asking them to send in troops, to recognize their sovereignty, and to help them join Russia.
There was no response from Putin. Does this look like "meddling" to you?
Tom20000 -> EbbTide64
So where was the evidence of Russian speaking Ukrainians being discriminated ? Just another
lie along with neo-nazis that comes directly from the Kremlin.
We in the West are not stupid, we see through Russian propaganda.
EbbTide64 -> Tom20000
So where was the evidence of Russian speaking Ukrainians being discriminated ?
The Odessa massacre, committed by neo-Nazis and condoned by Yatsenyuk's unrepresentative
regime.
EbbTide64 -> Dzjebe
Ashton is "the High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy for
the European Union". She's a British appointee to the EU, not an American.
Doug Salzmann -> Tom20000
We in the West are not stupid, we see through Russian propaganda.
Some of us are exceedingly stupid.
christopher22 -> MarcelFromage
I sort of wonder how civil war could be seen to serve RF interests ?
I am also curious as to why Russia would want an economic basket case like Ukraine ?
with a legitimised neo-Nazi government?
Do try to keep up. Oh and stop watching the BBC for God's sake
EbbTide64 -> Tom20000
Proof that it was condoned?
Yatsenyuk started paying and arming Right Sector thugs, after co-opting them into the National
Guard. So now the perps have the legitimacy of a role blessed by government.
Tom20000 -> EbbTide64
But The National Guard was nothing to do with what happened in Odessa .It was fighting between
hooligans.
EbbTide64 -> Tom20000
and that was just hooligans fighting hooligans
Oh no it wasn't. Yes, before the incident at the Trade Union building there were hooligans
on both sides, but the people who were killed were not hooligans, but peaceful protesters in
tents who were trying to get people to sign stuff when they were attacked, herded into the Trade
Union building and incinerated.
It was mass murder of innocents, not two lots of hooligans teeing off against each other.
omasta -> EbbTide64
I agree that crimes in Odessa should be investigated and those who committed them must be
punished.
But what I wanted to emphasize is the fact that despite pro-Kremlin TV&radio propaganda
directed on the East Ukraine there is no popular uprising of the Russian-speaking Ukrainians
against the Kiev's government. There are some pockets of armed rebellion, instigated by Kremlin,
against Kiev, but majority of eastern Ukrainians are not so keen to join Russia.
In my opinion,
in some not-so-distant time, the Ukrainian government should hold a referendum (under strict
international supervision) in the Russian-speaking part of Ukraine with a simple yes/no question:
Would you like your Russian-speaking region to be a part of Russia?
EbbTide64 -> omasta
I think most of your comment is pro-Kiev spin. Fairly large chunks of the Ukrainian armed
forces are now anti-Kiev and other members of the Ukrainian armed forces won't kill their fellow
Ukrainian citizens. That's why Yatsenyuk has recruited neo-Nazi thugs (and possibly US mercenaries).
If the Russians are there, it's because the Ukrainian regime is attacking Russian-speaking
people, rather than protecting them.
There are no Russian-speaking regions of Cornwall.
So where was the evidence of Russian speaking Ukrainians being discriminated ? Just another
lie along with neo-nazis that comes directly from the Kremlin.
Take a look at
this
- means "Moskal on a noose" (ie hang em). Look at the faces of these kids in the front. Moskal
is a derogatory term for a Russian - I suppose like saying "Paki" or "Paddy" - no offence to
either of those countries or their people. So when the people in that vid start jumping, what
they are shouting is pretty much "Jump if you're not a Paki." (No offence again - I am just
trying to get across the ugliness of it all.)
There are tons of these kinds of videos available on YouTube. You just don't speak the lingo.
There has been growing neo-Nazi nationalism in Ukraine for many years - especially under
Yuschenko - its quite a story the whole thing. The kids are getting indoctrinated.
Just think - if you had people like this - large swathes of the population behaving like
this - in your own town? How would you feel?
Now - imagine you're an ethnic Russian - most of whom lost direct family in what was by far
the most brutal war theatre of WW2.
Did you know that Putin lost a brother at the siege of Leningrad?
And apart from all that - this kind of cancer is very VERY dangerous.
We in the West are not stupid, we see through Russian propaganda.
Erm - come again?
MishkaYaponchik -> Tom20000
There were members of Right Sector on video calling the shots at the Trade Unions Building.
The same Right Sector that spearheaded Maidan, the same Right Sector who serve Svoboda party,
with their ministerial positions on the government.
Mittag Leffler
Obama and the clique are boring the whole world with stupid sanctions against Russia.
Can't remember last time USA had a constructive approach to any of world problems.
It's always either sanctions, or war, or bombing, or drones, or spying on everyone
"Russian terrorists" mock Poroshenkos candies in Donetsk:
#Lenin square #Donetsk 'no' to #Poroshenkos candy http://t.co/kKDpHsiYXZ
peterDKK
Opening the comments (at last) under an AP article is very much a joke.
As I mentioned in another thread, I am getting very suspicious of Britain's spoiling for
a fight over the new European Commission head.
I find it very probable that the US is desperately trying to either rein in or break an EU
which is slipping away from US control.
Further chaos and war as a way to tackle the debt crisis?
christopher22
The trouble is, it doesn't seem to be ending
I predicted at the start that the US would encourage the Kiev thugs to get a grip on the
whole country (minus Crimea obviously) with the aim of having a straight re-run of what happened
in Chile in 1973
For the 'Washington Consensus' to work at its best, a hard neo Nazi government tends to keep
the peasants in line while the US corporations plunder everything worth having
All monies lent will be under the usual conditions PRIVATISATION, DE-REGULATION and SMASHING
UP ALL WELFARE programmes Obviously such radical reforms will be grossly unpopular. Enter the
thugs to 'disappear' any dissenting voices.
When Thatcher initiated her, frankly, watered down, version of the Washington Consensus,
in Britain, she often mused how she wished she could have been more thorough in bringing the
plebs to order, just like her old friend General Pinochet in Chile 1973. Since then of course,
the US have played this card many times globally but it does work best when they have a hard
right wing government to drive the changes through QUICKLY. (thus bringing a speedy return on
the money invested in organising the coup, )
Scipio1
President Barack Obama will press European leaders this week to keep up pressure on
Russia over its threatening moves in Ukraine
And what precisely might these ''threatening moves in Ukraine'' be? We have a situation where
the government of Ukraine is using heavy artillery against its citizens (in Slavyansk). And
this is the government which is supposedly being threatened?
Once again the fact that the Kiev regime is making war on the people of the Don Bass is transmuted
into ''threatening moves'' by Russia.
But I suppose that we should by now be used to this type of patter coming from our ''free''
press
Victor Chan
Sigh....I hate school yard bully though. Heheh.. and I guess he didn't get the memo.
Major EU nations' far right parties have gained more seats in the EU parliament. And France
president's legitimacy has been shaken and calling for lesser EU. If the EU didn't have a united
front against Russia, it won't have it now after the EU parliament election. Why does he (president
Obama) think that Mr Hollande would terminate the contracts on 2 of their helicopter ships for
Russia just because the US big brother is telling France to do so?
MarcelFromage -> Victor Chan
Why does he (president Obama) think that Mr Hollande would terminate the contracts on 2 of
their helicopter ships for Russia just because the US big brother is telling France to do so?
Simple answer is that Obama hasn't told the French to cancel the contracts. Who told you
he had?
Dude, you need to catch up with the world news. It was John Kerry who suggested the ships
should be sold to one of the Nato members...haha...I think Kerry himself should buy them all
and to send the bill to the US Congress....
" What I am about to say is cruel but fair. This is
what I was told today to the military. And the conclusion is all the same .
The situation in the East is critical . Negotiation process can not achieve anything . Mercenaries
from Russia every day penetrate the territory of Ukraine. Their number becomes critical.
Military guarantee given number of mercenaries and fighters from Rashi today,a full sweep
of the East Ukraine for 30 days. They have three requirements . First - this is a guarantee
that after the company they will not be as golden eagles . The grip is not accused them of all
sins,to remove responsibility from themselves and not make them extremists. The second - to
ensure that all necessary. Weapons, ammunition,vehicles,ammunition and food. It's all there
. Need to decide on acquisition . Third - is to give the order to start the final stage . And
it will depend only on the chief. The fact that the solution is only one . A full-scale military
operation .
Point is surrounded. The first phase - it is announced over loudspeakers that civilians should
leave the territory for three - night,after which all individuals within the territory will
be accused of helping the enemy. Terrorists who want to surrender and lay down their arms,
this opportunity will be provided . People have to be discharged through the filtration camps
. This can be done quickly and skillfully setting a sufficiently large number of forensic laboratories
and initially separated women and children. Plus bruising and rubbed sore weapon belts facilitate
trapping separatists. Second phase. City subject to a massive attack of all weapons. The third
phase of the full repetition of the first . The fourth phase of the full repetition of the second
. Then the final phase of the operation . Spot cleaning of the city and then connect harvesting
machinery .
You may say that it is cruel ? It is necessary. Otherwise, a couple of months these metastases
will amaze even more areas . So urgently needed surgery. And those who want a human shield to
defend the occupiers,not brainwashed the people of Ukraine,and accomplices of a hostile
state and traitors . And there are always and at all times destroyed . Examples of the Second
World War should lead ? I think not .
It would not be sad and tragic to admit it, but other solutions to the problem of East Ukraine
has not. And it's not my opinion,and the conclusions of military experts . And I have to agree
with them .
The only person that affects give or not to give this order to be commander in chief of Ukrainian
President-elect Peter Poroshenko . And it must not be motivated by benevolence to all,and
the need to preserve the territorial integrity of Ukraine and the preservation of life of citizens
of Ukraine among the Ukrainian armed forces and the civilian population. The situation has reached
a level where only one solution . Options,alas no . And if Poroshenko wants to go down in
history as the man who restored peace to the country and preserved the integrity of Ukraine,the order he gives .
So the inhabitants of Donetsk and Lugansk region there is still some time that would decide
on whose side and they leave or stay in the territory of a future operation . I have friends
and acquaintances in the territory of Donbass and I would recommend them prepare to Abandon
his residence. Thanks for that I must say not only eastern neighbor,but also those creatures
that patriotism,honor and conscience traded for personal ambition and lust to gain by becoming
puppets in the hands KREMLYADI . It's their choice . And many of them are scum with deputy identity
.
But Ukrainians and Ukraine can not forever be held hostage by terrorists .
The military also offers confirmation of their guarantees and the order to start the operation.
And,so help us Gd survive this nightmare. "
Note: Borislav Bereza has some interesting data:
" Israeli citizen Borislav Blyakher - Bereza,defected from his historic homeland early
nineties because of banal cowardice and unwillingness to serve in the Israeli army at the
time of activation of the Arab- Israeli conflict.
Moreover,just in case, you never know what can happen in life,visionary Blyakher
have saved for a rainy day and the passport of Israel. "
P.S. I gave information about Borislav Bereza right people . I believe that this Borislav
his statement and call to kill innocent people for what they want to federalization,deserved
the same path,which recently followed General punisher Kulchitskii . It is believed that Borislav
Birch seeth New Russia,but to see Bandera .
A pure fascism speech. Hitler would be proud of him.
CookiesForMaidan
May 4, 1626 the Indians sold Manhattan Island to the Dutch colonists for buttons, beads and
other jewelry totaling $ 24.
This transaction was considered the most unfavorable in history up until 11 December 2013
when U.S. Assistant Secretary Victoria Nuland acquired Ukrainian territory in exchange for a
bag of cookies
Davo3333
US is in a great race against time. Economist now forecasting China's economy will overtake
US during 2018 and by 2025 be twice as big as US. US will struggle to keep up paying for military
expenditure on same scale as China and China will, be treating US as the junior country that
has to do as it is told.
SomersetApples -> Davo3333
Scary stuff. That could explain the erratic and desperate actions of the West trying to expand
into Ukraine. Facing these impending changes, they are out to expand their sphere of influence
as far as they can before the tide changes the other way.
It is very sad to watch a once great and powerful nation in decline, however the balance
of world power is always changing, and no empire is forever. Be careful whom you step on, on
the way up, as you will meet them on the way down. It is conceivable that the US will someday
be seeking alliance with Russia to counterbalance the dominance of China.
Babeouf
'The wealthy nations will discuss ways to wean Europe off of Russian energy supplies,' Yes
and so what. Will the Chinese ,Indians etc refuse to buy Russian gas because its Russian? The
West under the near moronic Obama will shift Russian trade to Asia. And not just oil/gas sales
but banking,finance and manufactures. But though the Russian economy will change and grow Russia
will still border Europe. And European politicians will be even less able to apply non military
forms of coercion after the trade patterns shift.
The West under US leadership has ended up like Yugoslavia under Slobodan Milošević its foreign
policy is a series of tactical adjustments to the spasmodic consequences of US domestic politics.
It has tactics but no strategic vision at all.
MarcelFromage -> Babeouf
The wealthy nations will discuss ways to wean Europe off of Russian energy supplies,' Yes
and so what.
If the discussions come to anything it means the EU countries will eventually be less vulnerable
to political pressure applied through Russian gas imports. This is important because the Russian
Federation for the last few years has become increasingly untrustworthy. The annexation of Crimea
and Putin's statements since then have proved beyond doubt that the Russian Federation is not
and will not be a reliable partner for the Western countries.
SomersetApples -> Babeouf
Totally agree with Babeouf. The US attempts to block Russian progress and stifle their economy
is a clear sign of weakness and will only lead to defeat. The US should be willing to take on
all competition in an open and competitive world market. They should be looking to fully integrate
with the world economy and deal with all parties in an open and fair manner. Their attempts
to block the competition demonstrates an admission that they cannot compete in a fair and square
manner.
If a commercial company were to try these tactics they would be prosecuted. What are you
afraid of Obama?
ConfusedOfMayfair -> SomersetApples
The aim is to stop Russia becoming too powerful. Economics is a big part - probably the main
part - of that.
USA is happy to "allow" small or even medium size states - esp. servile ones like in the
EU.
But now the US is World Number 1 - a world hegemon of historically unprecedented power
and reach - it aims to stay that way and so its aim is to stop any other countries growing in
power. That includes China - which is getting demonized & surrounded (aka containment) now as
well.
domeus
"successful national election"? Not for the millions who opposed the elections but who had
voted in the legitimate democratic elections three years ago. Yanukovich was elected and was
then deposed in a violent coup d`etat supported and financed by American neoconservatives and
by NATO/EU. New elections - for all the people of Ukraine - were to be held within a year. In
the "liberal" western media Yanukovich was criticised - justifiably so - for being a billionaire.
But now another billionaire is in power - this time backed by the earlier critics.
You say that the fact that Obama will not have bilateral meeting with the demonised Putin will
offer "no solace" to countries on the western borders of Ukraine---but who will offer solace
to the Russian people when NATO is stationed on its borders? Quotes from the Brooking Institution
are not useful after their support for the Iraq war - again due to neoconservative influences.
I believe - and hope - that Obama and Putin are intelligent enough to find a way out of this
mess and in the interest of all the people of Ukraine. My fear is about what happens when Obama
is gone. Just look at the likely candidates - whether Republican or Democrat and where their
funding comes from.
TheGreatBarzoni
Despite Russia pulling its troops back from the border.... "Yet violence continues to rage
in eastern Ukrainian cities and there remains deep uncertainty about whether Ukraine's new president-elect
can stabilise his country"
Why the f*ck are you talking about "whether Ukraine's new president-elect can 'stabilise'
his country" He's sending the army in to shell civilian populations??? When Gaddafi did
it we called it a war crime, another Hitler in NATO'S sights, another red line in the sand -
that he had to pay for with a bayonet stuck up his .....! while Hillary Clinton laughed like
some kind of sub human.
He's not stabilizing the country he's shelling his own people!!!! It looks to all senses
and purposes that that lovely embodiment of compassion John Brenan gave the order to... 'crush
the resistance' - resisting an anti democratic US backed coup in Kiev backed by 5 billion us
tax payers dollars.. I thought we were the good guys on the side of democracy? Should they not
rise up against such an injustice? Should we not call the heros?
..."US officials contend that, even with some signs of progress, Russia has not taken the
necessary steps to ease tensions and could still face additional economic sanctions".... ""Putin
may not get to host the G-8 but if he gets to go to Normandy with everybody, it begins to diminish
the appearance of isolation," said Steven Pifer, the former US ambassador to Ukraine who now
serves as a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution"...
Jeezus.. Does it not more look like USA is trying to start WW3 aggressively pushing Russia
into a corner? How can Russia de-escalate when the US is escalating escalating escalating while
even causing the whole thing in the first place??? Is it not bizaar how can you publish this
sh*t?
Why don't we tell these americans to F**K OFF, why don't we talk about America trying to
take over the planet, backing one dictator after another, about American bankster criminals
causing the world wide financial crisis? About the IMF trashing, looting whole countries, Why
don't we talk about what an obscene bunch of hypocrites they are? Why don't we talk about how
they have surrounded the whole planet with their military forces never mind telling Russia to
move their troops back from their own border when their own people are threatened with an army
attacking civilian areas??? Is that not an insult? you call that de-escalating John Kerry..?
Do you have a brain? What plant are you coming from?
Why dont we discuss what part America played in backing yet another illegal coup d'état,
- how many have they undertaken already since the war? How many countries have they bombed,
invaded destroyed, how many democratic governments have they toppled????? For christs sake call
yourself journalists we want some truth not talking points from the US administration!!! Why
keep repeating what these idiots are saying? Its DANGEROUS! Speak up your supposed to be a journalist
what about reporting some truth????
..."We very much admired that the people of Ukraine have turned out in huge numbers to elect
President-elect Poroshenko," said Ben Rhodes, Obama's deputy national security adviser. "We've
admired his commitment to pursue dialogue and to aim to reduce tensions and put Ukraine on a
positive path."... Ha ha did I miss something haven't they declared war on the donbass region????
Arent they bombing Slovyansk? Arent women and children being killed and evacuated? Wasn't there
a massacre in Odessa? Pregnant old ladies being garroted? Is this a newspaper or toilet paper?
Why arent you covering the news..?
Does anyone ask why sanctions are being levied on Russia at all... just because Obama says
so? The emperor decrees?
America is sick - all strength to those who are trying to heal her!
And god save us all! - Cause the Guardian certainly aren't going to by publishing this pile
of garbage when the war mongers are again beating their drums!.
Russian Academy of Sciences recommended adding 2 new Units of Measure to the International
System of Units:
1 psaki – a unit of Stupidity
1 kerry – a unit of Hypocrisy
mike42
Unfortunately, it sure seems mostly about Obama and company being jealous that former commie
countries are progressing by leaps and bounds, likely taking notes how capitalism is done in
the West, then copying at home.
Of course, if USA is to remain boss of the world, then likely they will want WWIII at all
costs. And, we just might get caught in the crossfire. It would be best if USA and allies could
concentrate on their neck of the woods instead of always looking for trouble far away in distant
countries.
* 22 of February was supposed to be the day of US fleet including Georg Bush aircraft carrier
and 16 other NAVY vessels in defiance of Montreux Convention entering the Black Sea.
* 22 of February Valentin Nalivajchenko – US citizen – became the head of SBU – Ukranian
secret police.
* March 6 Crimean parliament announced its cessation planes. US NAVY canceled its original
plan.
And much more...
JCBKing
The Polish political class well on their way to being crowned the paranoid morons of the
universe. Rabid idiots in high positions there seem to make a living out of drumming up anti-russian
hysteria .
If a well researched book was to be published detailing Russian aggression towards Poland
in the last 20 years or during Putin's stay in office, in any category such as in trade,military,intelligience
operations or any political maneuverings then that book ......would struggle to make it to one
complete sentence.
The current and recent past US Ambassadors in all these former USSR countries seem to be
the most deceitful, mudbrained people around also, expert at lying with blinking an eyelid.
SomersetApples
The US is acting in s very desperate and erratic manner. It is very sad to watch a once
great and powerful nation in decline, however the balance of world power is always changing,
and no empire is forever.
It is conceivable that the US will someday be seeking alliance with Russia to counterbalance
the dominance of China.
Be careful whom you step on, on the way up, as you will meet them on the way down. Hopefully
Russia will forget the nastiness that is being committed today.
Turney
Let me re-post another person's comment, gentlemen? Thanks.
Tom1989
6/1/2014 8:13 PM GMT+0400
))) The linguistic allusions to non-existent threats have become almost pornographic. Consider
the supposed Russian troop movements. First, there's all this "massing" we hear about, and these
masses are "thrusting". Of course, there was a similar US tactic employed in Iraq and Afghanistan,
but we called that "surging". Massing, apparently, is a surge without any actual penetration.
But we must recall that penetration, no matter how slight, constitutes completion of the act.
Massing does not constitute penetration, but it certainly confirms the intention to thrust if
in fact penetration does occur.
Russian "massing" has evolved from the same linguistic cesspool that gave us the Iranian
nuclear "capability". They have no weapons program, but they have nuclear "capability". Ergo,
they too have latent "thrusting" intentions.
Eastern Ukrainians are protesting the fascist neo-Nazi puppet government installed by the
US, so they are, by definition, "Pro-Russian". Obviously, that makes Russia responsible for
any anti-Nazi sentiment toward the tanks, armed personnel carriers and soldiers dispatched to
bring enlightenment to Eastern Ukraine.
But what to our wondering eyes should appear, but those tanks and soldiers seem to be defecting
in droves to the Eastern cause. That makes them Pro-Russian too. So, are they guilty of massing,
thrusting, penetrating, retreating, early withdrawal, or premature ejaculation?
SomersetApples
Kiev forces have just attacked an orphanage in Slavyansk with artillery fire. Either they
are very bad shots or they are war criminals.
Turney -> SomersetApples
I don't think they were targeting the orphanage, but they are war criminals. A criminal case
for war crimes has been initiated in Russia. This might also be an indication that Poroshenko
is persona non grata. After executing conscripts who refused to shoot civilians, shooting civilians
and killing the wounded in a hospital they are awaiting next Nuremberg tribunal.
David James
Surely US's self proclaimed status of exceptionalism and indispensability must be wearing
rather thin by now.
Why doesn't the EU simply return Nuland's compliment: "F*ck the US."
Gerry Tighe
The problem is that everybody is only informed by corporate controlled western Media.
If you want to see a different point of view please consider viewing the rolling.
The four horsemen http://youtu.be/5fbvquHSPJU
The Shock Doctrine Documentary http://youtu.be/JWI4p8KuJfs
The BBC documentaries Putin, Russia & The West - These are available through itunes and some
episodes on line.
Woody Harrelson 'Ethos Time to Unslave Humanity http://youtu.be/DHpVA_fO2zk
2014 NEW Loose Change 3rd Edition! 9/11 Truth http://youtu.be/YsRm8M-qOjQ
.Bilderberg Group: The Secret Rulers of the World http://youtu.be/HBypAFQ3ZCk
John Perkins "Confessions of an Economic Hit-man" http://youtu.be/aqIHKWd9rSc
Oliver Stone's 9 part documentary - The Untold History of the United States.
9 facts that prove the U.S. is behind Ukraine crisis http://youtu.be/Ufj5hqQ__A0
Ukraine Crisis - What You're Not Being Told http://youtu.be/fWkfpGCAAuw
The USA is dragging us towards war with Russia, John Pilger. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/13/ukraine-us-war-russia-john-pilger
Please watch this interview on RT with 2 american University professors.
Stephen Cohen New york University
John Meirsheimer Chicago Universuty
http://rt.com/shows/crosstalk/155288-containment-policy-cold-war/
Neo-Nazi threat in new Ukraine: BBC NEWSNIGHT http://youtu.be/5SBo0akeDMY
Obama and his associates would be better employed in focusing on domestic USA issues and
should desist completely from destabilizing European countries.
Maybe the USA could dismantle Guantanamo at the same time, and liberate all the prisoners,
and whilst he's at it maybe he could address the issue of all the pollution that the USA is
emitting into the atmosphere.
Placing sanctions on the Russian Federation was rank hypocritical noise from the outset.
Unfortunately there is no leader in the EU who has the courage and conviction to tell Obama
and Company that their destabilization and interventions are not needed.
Obame has no businees in Ukraine where people fight for the right to speak their native tongue
- russian. It is simple as that.
Here is a video of unarmed people of Kramatorsk, Donbass region that drove away Ukranian
troops. People yell: "Fasics, occupiers go away, f.. Ukraine" They chant: "Donbass, donbass"
All article is the American false promotion... Poland is afraid of armies of Russia on boundary?
It is a complete nonsense... At first Obama should study geography... To boundary with Poland
there is Ukraine... This false and hypocrite Obama puppet of the American militaristic businessmen
and companies... Poroshenko is just the same oligarch and the thief as well as Yanukovych...
Therefore he won't be able to solve anything... It has no support in parliament... On a new
kostitution of Ukraine of the right of the president are considerably restricted... Most likely
черз small time will be the third Maidan... Ukraine is the political and economic bankrupt...
Without support from Russia it couldn't and can't exist...
Vladimir Kaltovich
Having come to Poroshenko's power in the first days I began to shoot Donetsk, schools, kindergartens,
multi-storey buildings of Slavyansk.... It made a big sacrifice among civilians, including children
perished...
in Donetsk on June 1 within Children's Day there passed the stock "Rescue Children of Donbass
from the Ukrainian Army"...Then children treated with candies of factory of Poroshenko...
Children spat out them on the earth and crushed these candies because they are made at factories
of the murderer Poroshenko
"President Barack Obama will press European leaders this week to keep up pressure on Russia"
______________________________________________
Anyone who has followed the Ukraine story over the last three months will remember the words
of Victoria Nuland: "F**K the EU". Is it what Obama is thinking?
This post is originally by Gennady Volkov, a Ukrainian reporter. Translated by MicroBalrog from
this post
I have recently visited the "eastern front", at the camp of the 51st Separate Mobile Brigade
of the Ukrainian Army. This is the unit that had recently lost to an unknown attacker (presumably
the separatists) – 17 dead and 30 injured.
My impressions from the trip are dire. Let me sum it up.
The brigade numbers just over 4,000 men and is manned by West Ukrainians, mostly from Volyn.
The logic is clear – it will be easier for "westerners" to shoot at "easterners", whose mentality
is alien to them. Sadl, however, reality is far more complex.
On the roadblocks, the soldiers are very vigilant. The recent tragedy has served as
the best reminder that combat regulations are written in blood, and that their life is in their
own hands alone. I have noticed that for roadblock crews, vigilance is a capital-letter word. HOWEVER:
As the soldiers have admitted to me in an off-record conversation, the roadblocks are mostly irrelevant:
the separatists easily bypass them by unpaved village roads and go wherever they need to. "We are
protecting ourselves here."
Our convoy, led by jeeps carrying Volyn people's deputies that carried gifts for their neighbors
in the military – ballistic vests and useful gadgets, like night vision goggles and IR scopes –
was escorted by a truck that carried a squad of troops and an officer. It turned out the soldiers
had not seen the enemy yet. Only the commander had been shot at before – by our own men. He told
us the story as follows: a group of soldier were sent to greet some Colonel who lost his way on
his UAZ. In the location where they were looking for him, the search team did see an army Jeep by
the roadside – and suddenly from the bushes emerged men in black mask and camouflage, carrying rifles.
The team took them for separatists and stepped on the gas, and the men, in turn, opened fire. As
a result, the driver was killed, another man was injured, and the masked men turned out to be from
the local defense battalion. The prosecutor arrived on location totally drunk, the cops ignored
it. As per the man who told us this story, nobody was punished. This is how it is when men with
identical uniforms without rank badges and with identical guns fight each other.
Speaking of uniforms – the Ukrainian Army cannot properly dress it men. The soldiers on the roadblocks
resemble either Mexican rebels or Caucasian Mujahedin – some kind of paramilitary gang wearing a
mix of camouflage uniforms from around the world and civilian clothing. Many men's clothing is heavily
worn and unwashed.
Which brings us to the next topic. I don't mean to spread panic, but you can't take words out
of a song – and the words the soldiers asked me to relay are thus: "We are held here against our
will in animal-like conditions, everyone has lied to us."
After having spoken to the fighters I have several times been, pardon my French, totally fucking
shocked.
First of all, there are no volunteers among the men at all. All are drafted, and It feels that
they have been grabbing literally everyone.
I ask a boy from Volyn with a police AKSU (everyone is armed) – "How did you get mobilized?"
"They took me to the military commissariat, took a photo of me, gave me my papers within a day –
then put me on a train and sent me to the army. They have me a rifle, ammunition – and here I am.
They have not let me shoot it at all."
I was shocked. I asked: "What do you mean, no shooting? Have you not done regular draftee service?"
"No, I have never been in the army."
FUCK!!!
This man has seen AKs and military service only in movies – and they grab him and send him to
Stalingrad's trenches! Now some whore will talk to me about Stalin or Zhukov "burying the enemy
under their own dead". Here is the cannon fodder of 21st-Century independent Ukraine with which
they plug the holes on the "eastern front". This is madness! A new 1941! They grabbed even students
that have not graduated college, peasants whose farms remain untoiled.
By the way, the brigade is mechanized mostly on paper. If one believes the soldiers, the vast
quantity of AFVs the Army brought in and dumped out in a field in Donezk Oblast, is mostly broken
down and cannot move. That is easy to believe when you gaze upon BMPs and SP guns that were likely
last painted before Gagarin's flight.
Conditions in which these poor people lived for 2 months probably fall under the Geneva Convention.
The main problem is a terrible deficit of water. Every day the soldier do hard labor, but there
is nowhere to wash themselves or their clothing. A field bath? What are you talking about? They
don't even have anything to drink – you can see in the video what passes for drinking water. There
is some food – but the field kitchens we see in official Army events in the city are totally absent!!!
Food is made on bonfires or trench stoves from the 1930's or 1940s'.
The ancient tents leak like sieves. The soldiers sleep on dirty mattresses on the ground like
hobos. There are no bedsheets or sleeping beds. If it was winter, one would probably see typhoid
lice soon.
The promised volunteer pay is absent.. The soldiers have received 1300 hryvnas for April, but
the soldiers have already spent this money in local stores on food and water. They are rescued by
family who send them food and money. In general, the troops and their families are spending their
own money on the service – and since many of these men used to support non-working wives and children
– you can imagine for yourself the state of their morale.
It should be unsurprising therefore to see mass-drunkenness among the troops. We arrived in the
brigade's camp by evening, spent several hours there, and the number of drunk men in uniform grew
before my very eyes. Each, I remind you, is armed. The officers see this but are too cowardly to
even say anything, and generally prefer not to bother the troops without need. Happily the drunken
warriors are not aggressive, since they drink not for bravery, but out of hopelessness.
Saddened by this impression we drove home. In Dnepropetrovsk Oblast we were stopped at a roadblock
with a Ukrainian flag. Men in civilian clothing, with AKs, felt their superiority and did everything
to ruin our mood. Using village surzhik they used foul and rude language to demand our
documents, asked us idiotic questions like "what kind of TV company is that? Who is your master?"
They didn't throw uson the ground, but after figuring out they could not fuck with us, they gave
us the polite farewell of the words "Fuck off away from here, now."
If these plebes are shot by separatists during the night – I will not weep, trust me.
We stopped to eat in the nearest village. We asked the locals what scum are those (they didn't
even tell us who they represented). We were told that this is some local self-defense group, that
they had hacked off everyone by demanding 150 hryvnias for the passage, and making people who didn't
have the cash sing the Ukrainian anthem. It was different entirely when we entered Zaporoziev from
Donezk – men with shotguns in uniform with badges of – I think – "Hortiza Regiment" were extremely
vigilant but polite, and, having figured out we are not terrorists, wished us the very beest, like
good friends.
All involved in the death of people in Odessa and in other crimes against civilians in Ukraine must
appear before the Hague Tribunal. This was the statement Deputy Secretary of the Public chamber
of the Russian Federation Vladislav Grib made may 6 at the press conference in Moscow.
"Russia
will insist and Turchynov, and Yatsenyuk, and the Governor of Odessa region were in the dock, "
he said. - We remember Tribunal for Yugoslavia, there is more than enough [facts]. Russia should
do this, and we're going to demand this from Russian authorities".
The appropriate appeal is being prepared by the lawyers of the Public chamber, said Deputy head
of the coordinating headquarters OP the Russian Federation on assistance to the residents of Ukraine
Georgiy Fedorov. According to him, at present a list of the sacrament as to Odessa tragedy, and
other acts of violence and violations of human rights in Ukraine, and in the list will include not
only the leaders of the Kiev junta, but petty officials, implicated in crimes against humanity.
Fedorov sure that appeal to international institutions should be regarded as a humiliation to the
West. "We should work on other platforms, to use all the tools - diplomatic, legal, humanitarian
and other, - he said. - We will break through the information blockade, to use every opportunity
to attack this mode".
In the world there are countries that understand what is actually happening in Ukraine, added
Vladislav Grib, for example, Serbia and China are among them. Russia could bring the facts about
the crimes of the Kyiv to the world community. "We don't want to be in isolation, we are looking
for allies, " he said. - We are not referring to the Ukrainian junta, we want people in Europe,
all policical organization learned about this. For that all these facts were translated into major
European and world languages".
Lawyers of the Public chamber of the Russian Federation are working on request and a list of
the perpetrators with the utmost care so hat the documents were not rejected on formal grounds by
aligned with NATO European structures.. According to Georgiy Fedorovhim, the appeal will be handed
over to the Russian authorities in the coming weeks.
Let's remind, the press conference of the members of the Public chamber of the Russian Federation
on the situation in Ukraine was held in Moscow on 6 may. It was also attended by journalists, political
scientists, sociologists and civil activists from Odessa and Kharkiv, who told about the situation
in the southern and Eastern areas of Ukraine, where, according to them, there is a real war, unleashed
a self-proclaimed Kiev authorities against their own people.
[Jun 25, 2007] Two days left before EuroAnschluss
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko will briefly address the Heads of EU States and Governments
at the European Council summit on June 27, European Council President Herman Van Rompuy has reported.
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