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[Nov 24, 2017] Vanishing act: how global auditor failed to spot theft of 15% of Moldova's wealth

"..."We have organized crime specialized in finance. As a consequence of the discovery of the theft, the banks stopped issuing loans for a while. There was a domino effect which hit the leu.""
July 2, 2015

Local franchise of accountancy giant Grant Thornton was working for three of the country's largest banks when $1bn was embezzled

One of the world's leading auditors has been accused of negligence and incompetence after $1bn was siphoned out of Moldova from under its nose – a sum equivalent to 15% of the former Soviet republic's GDP.

Grant Thornton, the UK based accountancy giant with local franchises in dozens of countries, was the auditor for three of Moldova's largest banks through which the money was embezzled and spirited out of the country in complex financial transactions, some through UK companies.

As a result, the authorities had to rescue the three banks with a bailout equivalent to half the annual budget. The knock-on effect was a currency collapse and a plunge towards recession, ruining the economy almost overnight. Moldova is already Europe's poorest country.

The theft was discovered in November 2014 at Unibank, Banca de Economii and Banca Sociala , which the Moldovan member of Grant Thornton, a global network of independent firms, has been auditing since 2010, 2011 and 2013 respectively.

Iurie Chirinciuc, a Moldovan MP who was part of a commission set up to investigate the affair, believes Grant Thornton was negligent and obstructive.

"All the [audit] reports give positive opinions," he said. "How can you give a positive opinion when the situation at these banks was so grave?"

Grant Thornton said it drew the attention of the banks and relevant authorities to its concerns about the banks and that its audit reports contained alerts about loans. But Chirinciuc said it should not have given the banks a generally clean bill of health.

He claims repeated requests for the auditors to give testimony to the inquiry were "vehemently opposed".

"I have made a formal request for analysis of Grant Thornton to the central bank," Chirinciuc said. "In the commission, I was shocked to see that all state institutions were informed and updated as to the situation at the banks, but did not intervene. These circumstances make me think that very high-ranking dignitaries are involved in the theft of the billion."

Chirinciuc was also aghast that after the fraud was discovered, Grant Thornton's Moldova director, Stéphane Bridé, was appointed economy minister. Bridé told the Guardian his nomination "was made in conformity with the legislation of the Republic of Moldova, according to which my professional qualities and experience were exclusively considered".

Multiple spurious loans were granted by Banca de Economii and Unibank on the basis of false guarantees to companies that then transferred the money offshore. Some went to British companies controlled by entities registered in places where directors' identities are kept secret.Two preliminary reports – one by the parliamentary commission and the other by corporate investigation firm Kroll – suggest that fraud eventually became the main occupation of the banks.

The parliamentary report says: "The management of the banks have manifested evident lapses in professionalism and integrity … by giving credits that were compromised from the beginning" and made transactions of "fictional and fraudulent character". The MPs concluded the banks had knowingly endangered their "capacity to make basic operations" such as paying out pensions and public sector salaries.

The banks consistently misrepresented cash balances by using unorthodox "overnight deposits" – zero-interest deposits from Russian banks Interprombank, Gazprombank, Alef Bank and Metrobank – to disguise the lack of capital while continuing to give out nonperforming loans. "In essence these operations were operations of manipulation," the parliamentary report says.

So contaminated have the banks become that the IMF and World Bank have suspended programmes with Moldova, and the EU is considering following suit. World Bank country manager Alex Kremer said last week: "We are advising the authorities that the three banks ... should be liquidated." He said trying to nationalise or recapitalise the banks would risk wasting more taxpayers' money.

Moldovan prosecutors have since launched an investigation that has so far put about 30 people under criminal indictment, including bank executives. Among these is Ilan Shor, chairman of the board at Banca de Economii since April 2014, allegedly the mastermind. Shor was released from house arrest on 23 May, having agreed to cooperate with investigators. The chief prosecutor has not returned a request for comment. Shor denies wrongdoing. Earlier this month, he was elected mayor of the small town of Orhei.

Kroll's confidential report was published online in April by the speaker of the Moldovan parliament, Andrian Candu. It says a group of companies under Shor's control gradually took over the banks and in 2010 started giving never-to-be-repaid loans to themselves. When watchdogs closed in, "orders were given by management of the banks to archive loan documentation relating to the suspicious transactions". A vehicle belonging to another Shor company that collected the paperwork was subsequently stolen and burned.

Between 2011, when Shor's companies were allegedly beginning to sink their teeth into the banks, and October 2014 when the scam went bust, Kroll found the number of Shor-related companies involved grew from 10 to 39. By December 2014, 90% of Unibank's loans were to Shor group companies. Deposits recorded as being from Russian banks, which enabled Banca de Economii to make huge loans, were not received.

"Ilan Shor and individuals associated with him played an integral role in coordinating this activity," Kroll says in its report, claiming there was "a deliberate intention to extract as much benefit as possible for entities connected to Mr Shor and to the detriment of the bank". A Kroll representative said the report was leaked without consent and declined to comment further.

The "missing billion" contributed to a run on the Moldovan leu in which it lost a quarter of its value against the dollar in February.

Grant Thornton had no presence in Moldova before 2010, but its ascent has been startling. Seven of the country's 14 biggest banks became its clients in the space of four years, making it by far the biggest player in the market. International competitors such as KPMG and Deloitte steadily lost Moldova to Grant Thornton, with neither having more than two major banks on their roster in the country by 2013.

Representatives of the Moldovan Grant Thornton franchise deny impropriety and say that that auditors cannot be held responsible if clients do not disclose full financial information.

"While we would like to detect all fraud, according to International Standards of Auditing, the auditors' role is not to discover fraud, or to prosecute clients for fraud," they said in a statement. "We stand by the quality of our work – which is public record - and believe the audit opinions were correct under the circumstances."

A spokesman for the global office said Grant Thornton member firms acted autonomously and their work was only scrutinised by head office every three years. It did not respond to a question asking what it planned to do about its relationship with GT Moldova.

A Moldovan financial system insider who wishes to remain anonymous said: "It's clear Grant Thornton was at least negligent if not worse. How could it not have known what was going on, especially at Unibank where the scam was almost total?"

In its response, GT Moldova said: "Various observations were mentioned annually in the letters we addressed to management and shareholders of these banks and to the National Banks of Moldova.

"We wish to remind you that in 2013, the inquiry commission for the assets of Banca de Economii was based not only on the audit of the court and reports of the International Monetary Fund but also mentions of Grant Thornton audit."

The effect of the financial loss has been felt by ordinary Moldovans. Ion Preașcă, a finance journalist in ther capital Chișinău, said: "We have organised crime specialised in finance. As a consequence of the discovery of the theft, the banks stopped issuing loans for a while. There was a domino effect which hit the leu."

Alexei, who owns a small construction business, said: "They will invent some new taxes to make up for the damage. I had an account at Banca Sociala and have stopped using it since. I opened two new accounts in banks with foreign ownership."

Natasha, a bookkeeper, said: "The resulting price rises had bad effects. The electricity price nearly doubled from one month to the next. The bill was 300 lei [£10] and it's now 500. Pensions and salaries haven't increased."

The criminal investigation is ongoing. Neither the Moldovan National Bank or government returned requests for information. An estimated 50,000 Moldovans protested on 3 May in Chișinău, demanding justice and the recovery of the stolen money.

Thanks to Iurie Sanduta, editor of www.rise.md, for help researching this article.

[Dec 30, 2015] Ukrainian economy in depression: exports fall by about a third in 2015

Recession in Russia was the last nail on the coffin...
izvestia.ru

Exports of goods and services of Ukrainian production in 2015 will fall by about a third. And this is not surprising: as a result of "reforms" in the country almost died the industry lost its main Russian market, where Ukraine has supplied products with high added value. The cumulative figure of industrial production YTD is approximately -15%. The main export product of Ukraine for the first time since the pre-industrial era were products of agriculture. In the first place - corn.

[Dec 30, 2015] Ukrainian economy in depression: exports fall by about a third in 2015

Recession in Russia was the last nail on the coffin...
izvestia.ru

Exports of goods and services of Ukrainian production in 2015 will fall by about a third. And this is not surprising: as a result of "reforms" in the country almost died the industry lost its main Russian market, where Ukraine has supplied products with high added value. The cumulative figure of industrial production YTD is approximately -15%. The main export product of Ukraine for the first time since the pre-industrial era were products of agriculture. In the first place - corn.

[Dec 30, 2015] Ukrainian economy in depression: exports fall by about a third in 2015

Recession in Russia was the last nail on the coffin...
izvestia.ru

Exports of goods and services of Ukrainian production in 2015 will fall by about a third. And this is not surprising: as a result of "reforms" in the country almost died the industry lost its main Russian market, where Ukraine has supplied products with high added value. The cumulative figure of industrial production YTD is approximately -15%. The main export product of Ukraine for the first time since the pre-industrial era were products of agriculture. In the first place - corn.

[Dec 23, 2015] How America Lost the Rest of the World

Notable quotes:
"... I'm still trying to think through the implications but they are certainly disquieting. Without trying to hard I'd summarize that "the masks are coming off." ..."
"... The question then is, what happens after "the masks come off?" ..."
"... Short-sighted western pundits will still be penning deadline copy headlined "How Putin lost Ukraine" while those with real vision will be putting the finishing touches on "How America Lost the Rest of the World" ..."
marknesop.wordpress.com
Cortes, December 18, 2015 at 3:38 am
Michael Hudson on IMF manoeuvres

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/18/the-imf-changes-its-rules-to-isolate-china-and-russia/

Tim Owen, December 18, 2015 at 6:24 am
Hard to overstate the importance of this article. Thanks for spotting it.

There's a lot here but this passage is kind of free-standing in its value by simply condensing how the IMF has contorted itself:

"The IMF thus is breaking four rules:

  1. Not lending to a country that has no visible means to pay back the loan breaks the "No More Argentinas" rule adopted after the IMF's disastrous 2001 loan.
  2. Not lending to countries that refuse in good faith to negotiate with their official creditors goes against the IMF's role as the major tool of the global creditors' cartel.
  3. And the IMF is now lending to a borrower at war, indeed one that is destroying its export capacity and hence its balance-of-payments ability to pay back the loan.
  4. Finally, the IMF is lending to a country that has little likelihood of refuse carrying out the IMF's notorious austerity "conditionalities" on its population – without putting down democratic opposition in a totalitarian manner. Instead of being treated as an outcast from the international financial system, Ukraine is being welcomed and financed."

I'm still trying to think through the implications but they are certainly disquieting. Without trying to hard I'd summarize that "the masks are coming off."

The question then is, what happens after "the masks come off?"

… war.

(Sometimes it's best just to blurt out what's worrying you.)

marknesop, December 18, 2015 at 10:36 am
Short-sighted western pundits will still be penning deadline copy headlined "How Putin lost Ukraine" while those with real vision will be putting the finishing touches on "How America Lost the Rest of the World".

[Dec 22, 2015] Destruction of the financial system of Ukraine is complete

Essentially it got "below junk" rating...
Notable quotes:
"... How could Ukraine's government deficit only be 4.1% when its currency has crashed, it has lost most of its sources of income and it has just defaulted on its debt? What the fuck are they talking about? ..."
"... First, there is no way on God's green earth that there is a negative difference of only 4.1% between Ukraine's annual revenues and its annual expenditures, especially since it has almost no revenues except from taxation. ..."
marknesop.wordpress.com

marknesop, December 19, 2015 at 6:43 pm

According to Madame Jaresko, their decision not to pay the $3 Billion bond to Russia has set Ukraine free, free as a bird, and allowed it to now be in full compliance with the financing requirements of the IMF program.

Start shovelin' in the money, IMF, because Ukraine has the magic formula – just refuse to pay what you owe, call it a 'temporary suspension of payments' instead of 'a default', and reap the reward for your display of responsibility.

I foresee the mileage Russia is going to get out of this will far exceed the value of the $3 Billion.

marknesop, December 19, 2015 at 8:47 pm

How could Ukraine's government deficit only be 4.1% when its currency has crashed, it has lost most of its sources of income and it has just defaulted on its debt? What the fuck are they talking about?

"The proposed budget would work to reduce the government's deficit from 4.1% to 3.7%, with measures including an increase in revenue by widening the tax base."

First, there is no way on God's green earth that there is a negative difference of only 4.1% between Ukraine's annual revenues and its annual expenditures, especially since it has almost no revenues except from taxation.

And now the IMF expects to realize more revenue from widening the tax base – yes, I can imagine what a popular initiative that is. Now you know how Yushchenko felt, Yatsie, when the IMF denied him a second big loan because he refused to eliminate the gas subsidies to residents.

Now the IMF has finally realized that triumph through a different leader, and it wants to see even more tax revenue. You are about to be as popular as a turd in the punch bowl; have fun with that.

kirill, December 20, 2015 at 12:58 pm

I would not trust any GDP numbers from the Kiev regime either. They lost 25% of the economy in the Donbas alone not counting Crimea. This has knock on effects to the rest of Banderastan. Yet they are yapping about some 12% contraction in 2015 after a 7% contraction in 2014. I see no clear indication that they are counting the GDP only for regime controlled Banderastan.

As for the budget, according to regime officials, Banderastan lost 30% of its hard currency revenues with the loss of the Donbass. I estimate the tax loss to Kiev to be about 30% as well.

The Donbass was the industrialized part of the country while western Banderastan is primarily agrarian. So talk about 4% shortfalls in revenue is utter rubbish. In most countries the money making parts of the economy subsidize the rest and sure as hell it was not western Banderastan that was subsidizing the Donbass. That was just virulent blood libel such as the claim that Russians settled eastern Ukraine only after the Holodomor.

marknesop, December 20, 2015 at 1:13 pm

Europe deserves Ukraine. Let them have it, the quicker the better. It's fine when Yats is selling that stinking mess to his simple-minded constituents, but European policymakers will see through it right away. Unfortunately, Brussels knows better than to bring Ukraine any closer into the fold, because if they get a visa-free regime, the place will empty out in a week as Ukrainians flee throughout Europe (which is already, everyone must know, full of refugees) looking for jobs.

[Dec 22, 2015] Americas Double Standard on Trade

Dec 22, 2015 | naked capitalism
Yves here. If you followed the TransPacific Partnership negotiations closely, you may recall that Japan looked like it was going along only to placate Washington, and then it signed up only because the US allowed it to drop its "defense only" posture (remember that Japan is a military protectorate of the US) and gave major concession on agriculture (Japan's farmers are a famously powerful voting block). But even then, Japan is not firmly in the US fold. It has made clear that the US needs to get a deal done pronto.

By contrast, this post describes the US foot-dragging and gamesmanship to protect US agricultural interests from competition from developing economies.

Yesterday, U.S. Trade Representative Michael Froman delivered his plenary statement to the trade ministers gathered in Nairobi for the World Trade Organization's tenth ministerial conference. His statement, which calls for the abandonment of the Doha Development Round in favor of negotiations on new issues of more strategic interest to the United States, deserve a response from a countryman.

Mr. Froman calls on trade representatives "to move beyond the cynical repetition of positions designed to produce deadlock." Yet this is precisely what Mr. Froman has come to Nairobi to repeat: U.S. positions designed to produce deadlock.

He decries the lack of progress in the last 15 years of Doha negotiations, yet he fails to acknowledge that the United States has been, and remains, the principal reason for that failure. Since 2008, when negotiations broke down, the U.S. has refused to continue negotiating on the key issues central to the development agenda – reducing agricultural subsidies, allowing developing countries special protection measures for agriculture, eliminating export subsidies and credits, and a host of other issues.

Those issues remain critical to developing countries, and U.S. intransigence in addressing those concerns is the main reason Doha has stagnated. In addition, the U.S. has introduced new issues to create further obstacles to progress, such as its objection to India's ambitious and laudable public stockholding program to provide food security to fully two-thirds of its people.

The draft declaration on agriculture in Nairobi offers no progress on resolving this issue, despite the explicit commitment in Bali and later in Geneva to find a permanent solution that can allow India and other countries to pursue such programs.

That is not the only developing country issue left unaddressed. The declaration offers nothing to developing countries to allow them to protect sensitive sectors from unfair or sudden import surges, the Special Safeguard Mechanism. It offers no meaningful cuts in U.S. export credits, which have favored U.S. exporters to Africa with some $1.25 billion in credits over the last six years.

Perhaps most notably, the declaration makes no mention of the key issue in the Doha Round: reductions in rich country agricultural subsidies and supports. With crop prices low and a new Farm Bill authorizing rising levels of support to U.S. farmers and exporters, this omission is a direct blow to those developing countries which see their farmers and export prospects harmed by underpriced U.S. exports.

Nor does Mr. Froman mention cotton subsidies, an issue which the United States and the WTO membership committed to address "expeditiously" ten long years ago in Hong Kong. The issue remains unresolved, and the draft agriculture text fails to offer anything to Africa's C-4 cotton producing countries, which have millions of poor farmers desperately in need of relief.

Instead, the U.S. Farm Bill promises further price suppression. According to a recent study, cotton subsidies could total $1.5 billion, increasing U.S. exports 29% and suppressing prices by 7%. All cotton producers in the rest of the world will suffer an estimated $3.3 billion in annual losses, with India projected to lose $800 million per year.

The C-4 countries as a group stand to lose $80 million a year in reduced income, a huge blow to struggling farmers in low-income countries.

Mr. Froman touts the ways U.S. policy has moved forward beyond Doha. He says the United States extended the African Growth and Opportunity Act by a decade, "the longest extension in that program's history." That limited extension of trade preferences to African countries last year provided a paltry $264,000 in benefits to the C-4 countries. The projected losses from U.S. cotton dumping are 300 times greater.

Mr. Froman concludes that with a new approach that abandons the development round while taking up issues of investment, procurement, and other matters of priority to the United States, "we can ensure that global trade will drive development and prosperity as strongly this century as it did in the last."

The U.S. Trade Representative seems to have conveniently forgotten that the Doha Development Round he wants to sweep aside was a direct response to the fact that global trade rules in the last century failed to drive development and prosperity, at least for many developing countries.

As a U.S. researcher long engaged with the issues of concern to developing countries, I find Mr. Froman's approach shameful. Multilateralism demands engagement and compromise, particularly in a "development round" designed to address past inequities. Mr. Froman is unfortunately offering nothing more than "the cynical repetition of positions designed to produce deadlock." The latest in a steady stream of U.S. hypocrisy.

By Timothy Wise, Director of the Research and Policy Program at the Global Development and Environment Institute, Tufts University. Originally published in The Standard (Nairobi, Kenya)

[Dec 20, 2015] Michael Hudson The IMF Changes its Rules to Isolate China and Russia

Notable quotes:
"... By Michael Hudson, a research professor of Economics at University of Missouri, Kansas City, and a research associate at the Levy Economics Institute of Bard College. His latest book is ..."
"... KILLING THE HOST: How Financial Parasites and Debt Bondage Destroy the Global Economy ..."
"... What especially annoys U.S. financial strategists is that this loan by Russia's sovereign debt fund was protected by IMF lending practice, which at that time ensured collectability by withholding new credit from countries in default of foreign official debts (or at least, not bargaining in good faith to pay). To cap matters, the bonds are registered under London's creditor-oriented rules and courts. ..."
"... After the rules change, Aslund later noted, "the IMF can continue to give Ukraine loans regardless of what Ukraine does about its credit from Russia, which falls due on December 20. [8] ..."
"... The post-2010 loan packages to Greece are a notorious case in point. The IMF staff calculated that Greece could not possibly pay the balance that was set to bail out foreign banks and bondholders. Many Board members agreed (and subsequently have gone public with their whistle-blowing). Their protests didn't matter. Dominique Strauss-Kahn backed the US-ECB position (after President Barack Obama and Treasury secretary Tim Geithner pointed out that U.S. banks had written credit default swaps betting that Greece could pay, and would lose money if there were a debt writedown). In 2015, Christine Lagarde also backed the U.S.-European Central Bank hard line, against staff protests. [10] ..."
"... China and Russia harbored the fantasy that would be allowed redress in the Western Courts where international law is metered out. They are now no longer under that delusion. ..."
"... It's not Hudson but the US that has simplified the entire world situation into "good guys vs. bad guys", a policy enshrined in Rumsfeld's statement "you're either with us or you're against us". ..."
"... what is left unsaid is the choices Russia then faces once their legal options play out and the uneven playing field is fully exposed. Do they not then have a historically justifiable basis for declaring war? ..."
December 18, 2015 | naked capitalism

By Michael Hudson, a research professor of Economics at University of Missouri, Kansas City, and a research associate at the Levy Economics Institute of Bard College. His latest book is KILLING THE HOST: How Financial Parasites and Debt Bondage Destroy the Global Economy

The nightmare scenario of U.S. geopolitical strategists seems to be coming true: foreign economic independence from U.S. control. Instead of privatizing and neoliberalizing the world under U.S.-centered financial planning and ownership, the Russian and Chinese governments are investing in neighboring economies on terms that cement Eurasian economic integration on the basis of Russian oil and tax exports and Chinese financing. The Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB) threatens to replace the IMF and World Bank programs that favor U.S. suppliers, banks and bondholders (with the United States holding unique veto power).

Russia's 2013 loan to Ukraine, made at the request of Ukraine's elected pro-Russian government, demonstrated the benefits of mutual trade and investment relations between the two countries. As Russian finance minister Anton Siluanov points out, Ukraine's "international reserves were barely enough to cover three months' imports, and no other creditor was prepared to lend on terms acceptable to Kiev. Yet Russia provided $3 billion of much-needed funding at a 5 per cent interest rate, when Ukraine's bonds were yielding nearly 12 per cent."[1]

What especially annoys U.S. financial strategists is that this loan by Russia's sovereign debt fund was protected by IMF lending practice, which at that time ensured collectability by withholding new credit from countries in default of foreign official debts (or at least, not bargaining in good faith to pay). To cap matters, the bonds are registered under London's creditor-oriented rules and courts.

On December 3 (one week before the IMF changed its rules so as to hurt Russia), Prime Minister Putin proposed that Russia "and other Eurasian Economic Union countries should kick-off consultations with members of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) and the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) on a possible economic partnership."[2] Russia also is seeking to build pipelines to Europe through friendly instead of U.S.-backed countries.

Moving to denominate their trade and investment in their own currencies instead of dollars, China and Russia are creating a geopolitical system free from U.S. control. After U.S. officials threatened to derange Russia's banking linkages by cutting it off from the SWIFT interbank clearing system, China accelerated its creation of the alternative China International Payments System (CIPS), with its own credit card system to protect Eurasian economies from the shrill threats made by U.S. unilateralists.

Russia and China are simply doing what the United States has long done: using trade and credit linkages to cement their geopolitical diplomacy. This tectonic geopolitical shift is a Copernican threat to New Cold War ideology: Instead of the world economy revolving around the United States (the Ptolemaic idea of America as "the indispensible nation"), it may revolve around Eurasia. As long as the global financial papacy remains grounded in Washington at the offices of the IMF and World Bank, such a shift in the center of gravity will be fought with all the power of the American Century (indeed, American Millennium) inquisition.

Imagine the following scenario five years from now. China will have spent half a decade building high-speed railroads, ports power systems and other construction for Asian and African countries, enabling them to grow and export more. These exports will be coming on line to repay the infrastructure loans. Also, suppose that Russia has been supplying the oil and gas energy needed for these projects.

To U.S. neocons this specter of AIIB government-to-government lending and investment creates fear of a world independent of U.S. control. Nations would mint their own money and hold each other's debt in their international reserves instead of borrowing or holding dollars and subordinating their financial planning to the IMF and U.S. Treasury with their demands for monetary bloodletting and austerity for debtor countries. There would be less need for foreign government to finance budget shortfalls by selling off their key public infrastructure privatizing their economies. Instead of dismantling public spending, the AIIB and a broader Eurasian economic union would do what the United States itself practices, and seek self-sufficiency in basic needs such as food, technology, banking, credit creation and monetary policy.

With this prospect in mind, suppose an American diplomat meets with the leaders of debtors to China, Russia and the AIIB and makes the following proposal: "Now that you've got your increased production in place, why repay? We'll make you rich if you stiff our New Cold War adversaries and turn to the West. We and our European allies will help you assign the infrastructure to yourselves and your supporters, and give these assets market value by selling shares in New York and London. Then, you can spend your surpluses in the West."

How can China or Russia collect in such a situation? They can sue. But what court will recognize their claim – that is, what court that the West would pay attention to?

That is the kind of scenario U.S. State Department and Treasury officials have been discussing for more than a year. The looming conflict was made immediate by Ukraine's $3 billion debt to Russia falling due by December 20, 2015. Ukraine's U.S.-backed regime has announced its intention to default. U.S. lobbyists have just changed the IMF rules to remove a critical lever on which Russia and other governments have long relied to enforce payment of their loans.

The IMF's Role as Enforcer of Inter-Government Debts

When it comes down to enforcing nations to pay inter-government debts, the International Monetary Fund and Paris Club hold the main leverage. As coordinator of central bank "stabilization" loans (the neoliberal euphemism for imposing austerity and destabilizing debtor economies, Greece-style), the IMF is able to withhold not only its own credit but also that of governments and global banks participating when debtor countries need refinancing. Countries that do not agree to privatize their infrastructure and sell it to Western buyers are threatened with sanctions, backed by U.S.-sponsored "regime change" and "democracy promotion" Maidan-style.

This was the setting on December 8, when Chief IMF Spokesman Gerry Rice announced: "The IMF's Executive Board met today and agreed to change the current policy on non-toleration of arrears to official creditors." The creditor leverage that the IMF has used is that if a nation is in financial arrears to any government, it cannot qualify for an IMF loan – and hence, for packages involving other governments. This has been the system by which the dollarized global financial system has worked for half a century. The beneficiaries have been creditors in US dollars.

In this U.S.-centered worldview, China and Russia loom as the great potential adversaries – defined as independent power centers from the United States as they create the Shanghai Cooperation Organization as an alternative to NATO, and the AIIB as an alternative to the IMF and World Bank tandem. The very name, Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, implies that transportation systems and other infrastructure will be financed by governments, not relinquished into private hands to become rent-extracting opportunities financed by U.S.-centered bank credit to turn the rent into a flow of interest payments.

The focus on a mixed public/private economy sets the AIIB at odds with the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) and its aim of relinquishing government planning power to the financial and corporate sector for their own short-term gains, and above all the aim of blocking government's money-creating power and financial regulation. Chief Nomura economist Richard Koo, explained the logic of viewing the AIIB as a threat to the US-controlled IMF: "If the IMF's rival is heavily under China's influence, countries receiving its support will rebuild their economies under what is effectively Chinese guidance, increasing the likelihood they will fall directly or indirectly under that country's influence."[3]

Russian Finance Minister Anton Siluanov accused the IMF decision of being "hasty and biased."[4] But it had been discussed all year long, calculating a range of scenarios for a long-term sea change in international law. The aim of this change is to isolate not only Russia, but even more China in its role as creditor to African countries and prospective AIIB borrowers. U.S. officials walked into the IMF headquarters in Washington with the legal equivalent of financial suicide vests, having decided that the time had come to derail Russia's ability to collect on its sovereign loan to Ukraine, and of even larger import, China's plan for a New Silk Road integrating a Eurasian economy independent of U.S. financial and trade control. Anders Aslund, senior fellow at the NATO-oriented Atlantic Council, points out:

The IMF staff started contemplating a rule change in the spring of 2013 because nontraditional creditors, such as China, had started providing developing countries with large loans. One issue was that these loans were issued on conditions out of line with IMF practice. China wasn't a member of the Paris Club, where loan restructuring is usually discussed, so it was time to update the rules.

The IMF intended to adopt a new policy in the spring of 2016, but the dispute over Russia's $3 billion loan to Ukraine has accelerated an otherwise slow decision-making process.[5]

The Wall Street Journal concurred that the underlying motivation for changing the IMF's rules was the threat that Chinese lending would provide an alternative to IMF loans and its demands for austerity. "IMF-watchers said the fund was originally thinking of ensuring China wouldn't be able to foil IMF lending to member countries seeking bailouts as Beijing ramped up loans to developing economies around the world."[6] In short, U.S. strategists have designed a policy to block trade and financial agreements organized outside of U.S. control and that of the IMF and World Bank in which it holds unique veto power.

The plan is simple enough. Trade follows finance, and the creditor usually calls the tune. That is how the United States has used the Dollar Standard to steer Third World trade and investment since World War II along lines benefiting the U.S. economy.

The cement of trade credit and bank lending is the ability of creditors to collect on the international debts being negotiated. That is why the United States and other creditor nations have used the IMF as an intermediary to act as "honest broker" for loan consortia. ("Honest broker" means in practice being subject to U.S. veto power.) To enforce its financial leverage, the IMF has long followed the rule that it will not sponsor any loan agreement or refinancing for governments that are in default of debts owed to other governments. However, as the afore-mentioned Aslund explains, the IMF could easily

change its practice of not lending into [countries in official] arrears … because it is not incorporated into the IMF Articles of Agreement, that is, the IMF statutes. The IMF Executive Board can decide to change this policy with a simple board majority. The IMF has lent to Afghanistan, Georgia, and Iraq in the midst of war, and Russia has no veto right, holding only 2.39 percent of the votes in the IMF. When the IMF has lent to Georgia and Ukraine, the other members of its Executive Board have overruled Russia.[7]

After the rules change, Aslund later noted, "the IMF can continue to give Ukraine loans regardless of what Ukraine does about its credit from Russia, which falls due on December 20.[8]

Inasmuch as Ukraine's official debt to Russia's sovereign debt fund was not to the U.S. Government, the IMF announced its rules change as a "clarification." Its rule that no country can borrow if it is in default to (or not seriously negotiating with) a foreign government was created in the post-1945 world, and has governed the past seventy years in which the United States Government, Treasury officials and/or U.S. bank consortia have been party to nearly every international bailout or major loan agreement. What the IMF rule really meant was that it would not provide credit to countries in arrears specifically to the U.S. Government, not those of Russia or China.

Mikhail Delyagin, Director of the Institute of Globalization Problems, understood the IMF's double standard clearly enough: "The Fund will give Kiev a new loan tranche on one condition that Ukraine should not pay Russia a dollar under its $3 billion debt. Legally, everything will be formalized correctly but they will oblige Ukraine to pay only to western creditors for political reasons."[9] It remains up to the IMF board – and in the end, its managing director – whether or not to deem a country creditworthy. The U.S. representative naturally has always blocked any leaders not beholden to the United States.

The post-2010 loan packages to Greece are a notorious case in point. The IMF staff calculated that Greece could not possibly pay the balance that was set to bail out foreign banks and bondholders. Many Board members agreed (and subsequently have gone public with their whistle-blowing). Their protests didn't matter. Dominique Strauss-Kahn backed the US-ECB position (after President Barack Obama and Treasury secretary Tim Geithner pointed out that U.S. banks had written credit default swaps betting that Greece could pay, and would lose money if there were a debt writedown). In 2015, Christine Lagarde also backed the U.S.-European Central Bank hard line, against staff protests.[10]

IMF executive board member Otaviano Canuto, representing Brazil, noted that the logic that "conditions on IMF lending to a country that fell behind on payments [was to] make sure it kept negotiating in good faith to reach agreement with creditors."[11] Dropping this condition, he said, would open the door for other countries to insist on a similar waiver and avoid making serious and sincere efforts to reach payment agreement with creditor governments.

A more binding IMF rule is that it cannot lend to countries at war or use IMF credit to engage in warfare. Article I of its 1944-45 founding charter ban the fund from lending to a member state engaged in civil war or at war with another member state, or for military purposes in general. But when IMF head Lagarde made the last IMF loan to Ukraine, in spring 2015, she made a token gesture of stating that she hoped there would be peace. But President Porochenko immediately announced that he would step up the civil war with the Russian-speaking population in the eastern Donbass region.

The problem is that the Donbass is where most Ukrainian exports were made, mainly to Russia. That market is being lost by the junta's belligerence toward Russia. This should have blocked Ukraine from receiving IMF aid. Withholding IMF credit could have been a lever to force peace and adherence to the Minsk agreements, but U.S. diplomatic pressure led that opportunity to be rejected.

The most important IMF condition being violated is that continued warfare with the East prevents a realistic prospect of Ukraine paying back new loans. Aslund himself points to the internal contradictions at work: Ukraine has achieved budget balance because the inflation and steep currency depreciation has drastically eroded its pension costs. The resulting lower value of pension benefits has led to growing opposition to Ukraine's post-Maidan junta. "Leading representatives from President Petro Poroshenko's Bloc are insisting on massive tax cuts, but no more expenditure cuts; that would cause a vast budget deficit that the IMF assesses at 9-10 percent of GDP, that could not possibly be financed."[12] So how can the IMF's austerity budget be followed without a political backlash?

The IMF thus is breaking four rules: Not lending to a country that has no visible means to pay back the loan breaks the "No More Argentinas" rule adopted after the IMF's disastrous 2001 loan. Not lending to countries that refuse in good faith to negotiate with their official creditors goes against the IMF's role as the major tool of the global creditors' cartel. And the IMF is now lending to a borrower at war, indeed one that is destroying its export capacity and hence its balance-of-payments ability to pay back the loan. Finally, the IMF is lending to a country that has little likelihood of refuse carrying out the IMF's notorious austerity "conditionalities" on its population – without putting down democratic opposition in a totalitarian manner. Instead of being treated as an outcast from the international financial system, Ukraine is being welcomed and financed.

The upshot – and new basic guideline for IMF lending – is to create a new Iron Curtain splitting the world into pro-U.S. economies going neoliberal, and all other economies, including those seeking to maintain public investment in infrastructure, progressive taxation and what used to be viewed as progressive capitalism. Russia and China may lend as much as they want to other governments, but there is no international vehicle to help secure their ability to be paid back under what until now has passed for international law. Having refused to roll back its own or ECB financial claims on Greece, the IMF is quite willing to see repudiation of official debts owed to Russia, China or other countries not on the list approved by the U.S. neocons who wield veto power in the IMF, World Bank and similar global economic institutions now drawn into the U.S. orbit. Changing its rules to clear the path for the IMF to make loans to Ukraine and other governments in default of debts owed to official lenders is rightly seen as an escalation of America's New Cold War against Russia and also its anti-China strategy.

Timing is everything in such ploys. Georgetown University Law professor and Treasury consultant Anna Gelpern warned that before the "IMF staff and executive board [had] enough time to change the policy on arrears to official creditors," Russia might use "its notorious debt/GDP clause to accelerate the bonds at any time before December, or simply gum up the process of reforming the IMF's arrears policy."[13] According to this clause, if Ukraine's foreign debt rose above 60 percent of GDP, Russia's government would have the right to demand immediate payment. But no doubt anticipating the bitter fight to come over its attempts to collect on its loan, President Putin patiently refrained from exercising this option. He is playing the long game, bending over backward to accommodate Ukraine rather than behaving "odiously."

A more pressing reason deterring the United States from pressing earlier to change IMF rules was that a waiver for Ukraine would have opened the legal floodgates for Greece to ask for a similar waiver on having to pay the "troika" – the European Central Bank (ECB), EU commission and the IMF itself – for the post-2010 loans that have pushed it into a worse depression than the 1930s. "Imagine the Greek government had insisted that EU institutions accept the same haircut as the country's private creditors," Russian finance minister Anton Siluanov asked. "The reaction in European capitals would have been frosty. Yet this is the position now taken by Kiev with respect to Ukraine's $3 billion eurobond held by Russia."[14]

Only after Greece capitulated to eurozone austerity was the path clear for U.S. officials to change the IMF rules in their fight to isolate Russia. But their tactical victory has come at the cost of changing the IMF's rules and those of the global financial system irreversibly. Other countries henceforth may reject conditionalities, as Ukraine has done, and ask for write-downs on foreign official debts.

That was the great fear of neoliberal U.S. and Eurozone strategists last summer, after all. The reason for smashing Greece's economy was to deter Podemos in Spain and similar movements in Italy and Portugal from pursuing national prosperity instead of eurozone austerity. Opening the door to such resistance by Ukraine is the blowback of America's tactic to make a short-term financial hit on Russia while its balance of payments is down as a result of collapsing oil and gas prices.

The consequences go far beyond just the IMF. The fabric of international law itself is being torn apart. Every action has a reaction in the Newtonian world of geopolitics. It may not be a bad thing, to be sure, for the post-1945 global order to be broken apart by U.S. tactics against Russia, if that is the catalyst driving other countries to defend their own economies in the legal and political spheres. It has been U.S. neoliberals themselves who have catalyzed the emerging independent Eurasian bloc.

Countering Russia's Ability to Collect in Britain's Law Courts

Over the past year the U.S. Treasury and State Departments have discussed ploys to block Russia from collecting under British law, where its loans to Ukraine are registered. Reviewing the repertory of legal excuses Ukraine might use to avoid paying Russia, Prof. Gelpern noted that it might declare the debt "odious," made under duress or corruptly. In a paper for the Peterson Institute of International Economics (the banking lobby in Washington) she suggested that Britain should deny Russia the use of its courts as an additional sanction reinforcing the financial, energy, and trade sanctions to those passed against Russia after Crimea voted to join it as protection against the ethnic cleansing from the Right Sector, Azov Battalion and other paramilitary groups descending on the region.[15]

A kindred ploy might be for Ukraine to countersue Russia for reparations for "invading" it, for saving Crimea and the Donbass region from the Right Sector's attempt to take over the country. Such a ploy would seem to have little chance of success in international courts (without showing them to be simply arms of NATO New Cold War politics), but it might delay Russia' ability to collect by tying the loan up in a long nuisance lawsuit.

To claim that Ukraine's debt to Russia was "odious" or otherwise illegitimate, "President Petro Poroshenko said the money was intended to ensure Yanukovych's loyalty to Moscow, and called the payment a 'bribe,' according to an interview with Bloomberg in June this year."[16] The legal and moral problem with such arguments is that they would apply equally to IMF and US loans. Claiming that Russia's loan is "odious" is that this would open the floodgates for other countries to repudiate debts taken on by dictatorships supported by IMF and U.S. lenders, headed by the many dictatorships supported by U.S. diplomacy.

The blowback from the U.S. multi-front attempt to nullify Ukraine's debt may be used to annul or at least write down the destructive IMF loans made on the condition that borrowers accept privatizations favoring U.S., German and other NATO-country investors, undertake austerity programs, and buy weapons systems such as the German submarines that Greece borrowed to pay for. As Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov noted: "This reform, which they are now trying to implement, designed to suit Ukraine only, could plant a time bomb under all other IMF programs." It certainly showed the extent to which the IMF is subordinate to U.S. aggressive New Cold Warriors: "Essentially, this reform boils down to the following: since Ukraine is politically important – and it is only important because it is opposed to Russia – the IMF is ready to do for Ukraine everything it has not done for anyone else, and the situation that should 100 percent mean a default will be seen as a situation enabling the IMF to finance Ukraine."[17]

Andrei Klimov, deputy chairman of the Committee for International Affairs at the Federation Council (the upper house of Russia's parliament) accused the United States of playing "the role of the main violin in the IMF while the role of the second violin is played by the European Union. These are two basic sponsors of the Maidan – the symbol of a coup d'état in Ukraine in 2014."[18]

Putin's Counter-Strategy and the Blowback on U.S.-European and Global Relations

As noted above, having anticipated that Ukraine would seek reasons to not pay the Russian loan, President Putin carefully refrained from exercising Russia's right to demand immediate payment when Ukraine's foreign debt rose above 60 percent of GDP. In November he offered to defer payment if the United States, Europe and international banks underwrote the obligation. Indeed, he even "proposed better conditions for this restructuring than those the International Monetary Fund requested of us." He offered "to accept a deeper restructuring with no payment this year – a payment of $1 billion next year, $1 billion in 2017, and $1 billion in 2018." If the IMF, the United States and European Union "are sure that Ukraine's solvency will grow," then they should "see no risk in providing guarantees for this credit." Accordingly, he concluded "We have asked for such guarantees either from the United States government, the European Union, or one of the big international financial institutions." [19]

The implication, Putin pointed out, was that "If they cannot provide guarantees, this means that they do not believe in the Ukrainian economy's future." One professor pointed out that this proposal was in line with the fact that, "Ukraine has already received a sovereign loan guarantee from the United States for a previous bond issue." Why couldn't the United States, Eurozone or leading commercial banks provide a similar guarantee of Ukraine's debt to Russia – or better yet, simply lend it the money to turn it into a loan to the IMF or US lenders?[20]

But the IMF, European Union and the United States refused to back up their happy (but nonsensical) forecasts of Ukrainian solvency with actual guarantees. Foreign Minister Lavrov made clear just what that rejection meant: "By having refused to guarantee Ukraine's debt as part of Russia's proposal to restructure it, the United States effectively admitted the absence of prospects of restoring its solvency. … By officially rejecting the proposed scheme, the United States thereby subscribed to not seeing any prospects of Ukraine restoring its solvency."[21]

In an even more exasperated tone, Prime Minister Dmitri Medvedev explained to Russia's television audience: "I have a feeling that they won't give us the money back because they are crooks. They refuse to return our money and our Western partners not only refuse to help, but they also make it difficult for us."[22] Adding that "the international financial system is unjustly structured," he promised to "go to court. We'll push for default on the loan and we'll push for default on all Ukrainian debts."

The basis for Russia's legal claim, he explained was that the loan

was a request from the Ukrainian Government to the Russian Government. If two governments reach an agreement this is obviously a sovereign loan…. Surprisingly, however, international financial organisations started saying that this is not exactly a sovereign loan. This is utter bull. Evidently, it's just an absolutely brazen, cynical lie. … This seriously erodes trust in IMF decisions. I believe that now there will be a lot of pleas from different borrower states to the IMF to grant them the same terms as Ukraine. How will the IMF possibly refuse them?

And there the matter stands. As President Putin remarked regarding America's support of Al Qaeda, Al Nusra and other ISIS allies in Syria, "Do you have any idea of what you have done?"

The Blowback

Few have calculated the degree to which America's New Cold War with Russia is creating a reaction that is tearing up the world's linkages put in place since World War II. Beyond pulling the IMF and World Bank tightly into U.S. unilateralist geopolitics, how long will Western Europe be willing to forego its trade and investment interest with Russia? Germany, Italy and France already are feeling the strains. If and when a break comes, it will not be marginal but a seismic geopolitical shift.

The oil and pipeline war designed to bypass Russian energy exports has engulfed the Near East in anarchy for over a decade. It is flooding Europe with refugees, and also spreading terrorism to America. In the Republican presidential debate on December 15, 2015, the leading issue was safety from Islamic jihadists. Yet no candidate thought to explain the source of this terrorism in America's alliance with Wahabist Saudi Arabia and Qatar, and hence with Al Qaeda and ISIS/Daish as a means of destabilizing secular regimes seeking independence from U.S. control.

As its allies in this New Cold War, the United States has chosen fundamentalist jihadist religion against secular regimes in Libya, Iraq, Syria, and earlier in Afghanistan and Turkey. Going back to the original sin of CIA hubris – overthrowing the secular Iranian Prime Minister leader Mohammad Mosaddegh in 1953 – American foreign policy has been based on the assumption that secular regimes tend to be nationalist and resist privatization and neoliberal austerity.

Based on this fatal long-term assumption, U.S. Cold Warriors have aligned themselves not only against secular regimes, but against democratic regimes where these seek to promote their own prosperity and economic independence, and to resist neoliberalism in favor of maintaining their traditional mixed public/private economy.

This is the back story of the U.S. fight to control the rest of the world. Tearing apart the IMF's rules is only the most recent chapter. The broad drive against Russia, China and their prospective Eurasian allies has deteriorated into tactics without a realistic understanding of how they are bringing about precisely the kind of world they are seeking to prevent – a multilateral world.

Arena by arena, the core values of what used to be American and European social democratic ideology are being uprooted. The Enlightenment's ideals of secular democracy and the rule of international law applied equally to all nations, classical free market theory (of markets free from unearned income and rent extraction by special vested interests), and public investment in infrastructure to hold down the cost of living and doing business are to be sacrificed to a militant U.S. unilateralism as "the indispensible nation." Standing above the rule of law and national interests, American neocons proclaim that their nation's destiny is to wage war to prevent foreign secular democracy from acting in ways other than submission to U.S. diplomacy. In practice, this means favoring special U.S. financial and corporate interests that control American foreign policy.

This is not how the Enlightenment was supposed to turn out. Classical industrial capitalism a century ago was expected to evolve into an economy of abundance. Instead, we have Pentagon capitalism, finance capitalism deteriorating into a polarized rentier economy, and old-fashioned imperialism.

The Dollar Bloc's Financial Iron Curtain

By treating Ukraine's nullification of its official debt to Russia's Sovereign Wealth Fund as the new norm, the IMF has blessed its default on its bond payment to Russia. President Putin and foreign minister Lavrov have said that they will sue in British courts. But does any court exist in the West not under the thumb of U.S. veto?

What are China and Russia to do, faced with the IMF serving as a kangaroo court whose judgments are subject to U.S. veto power? To protect their autonomy and self-determination, they have created alternatives to the IMF and World Bank, NATO and behind it, the dollar standard.

America's recent New Cold War maneuvering has shown that the two Bretton Woods institutions are unreformable. It is easier to create new institutions such as the A.I.I.B. than to retrofit old and ill-designed ones burdened with the legacy of their vested founding interests. It is easier to expand the Shanghai Cooperation Organization than to surrender to threats from NATO.

U.S. geostrategists seem to have imagined that if they exclude Russia, China and other SCO and Eurasian countries from the U.S.-based financial and trade system, these countries will find themselves in the same economic box as Cuba, Iran and other countries have been isolated by sanctions. The aim is to make countries choose between impoverishment from such exclusion, or acquiescing in U.S. neoliberal drives to financialize their economies and impose austerity on their government sector and labor.

What is lacking from such calculations is the idea of critical mass. The United States may use the IMF and World Bank as levers to exclude countries not in the U.S. orbit from participating in the global trade and financial system, and it may arm-twist Europe to impose trade and financial sanctions on Russia. But this action produces an equal and opposite reaction. That is the eternal Newtonian law of geopolitics. The indicated countermeasure is simply for other countries to create their own international financial organization as an alternative to the IMF, their own "aid" lending institution to juxtapose to the U.S.-centered World Bank.

All this requires an international court to handle disputes that is free from U.S. arm-twisting to turn international law into a kangaroo court following the dictates of Washington. The Eurasian Economic Union now has its own court to adjudicate disputes. It may provide an alternative Judge Griesa's New York federal court ruling in favor of vulture funds derailing Argentina's debt negotiations and excluding it from foreign financial markets. If the London Court of International Arbitration (under whose rules Russia's bonds issued to Ukraine are registered) permits frivolous legal claims (called barratry in English) such as President Poroshenko has threatened in Ukrainian Parliament, it too will become a victim of geopolitical obsolescence.

The more nakedly self-serving and geopolitical U.S. policy is – in backing radical Islamic fundamentalist outgrowths of Al Qaeda throughout the Near East, right-wing nationalist governments in Ukraine and the Baltics – the greater the catalytic pressure is growing for the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, AIIB and related Eurasian institutions to break free of the post-1945 Bretton Woods system run by the U.S. State, Defense and Treasury Departments and NATO superstructure.

The question now is whether Russia and China can hold onto the BRICS and India. So as Paul Craig Roberts recently summarized my ideas along these lines, we are back with George Orwell's 1984 global fracture between Oceanea (the United States, Britain and its northern European NATO allies) vs. Eurasia.

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RabidGandhi December 18, 2015 at 9:16 am

My issue with Hudson is that he tends to paint things in a "good guys/bad guys" dichotomy viz. the IMF vs. the AIIB. Personally, I think it's quite positive that the international sovereign finance institutions will now be more international and less unipolar, but his scenario where

Nations would mint their own money and hold each other's debt in their international reserves instead of borrowing or holding dollars and subordinating their financial planning to the IMF and U.S. Treasury with their demands for monetary bloodletting and austerity for debtor countries.

is rather pie-in-the sky. What reason do we have to believe that concentrated Chinese capital would somehow be more benevolent than our current overlords? Oh because AIIB has the word "infrastructure" in its title (just as the Interamerican Development Bank is all about development) /sarc.

Furthermore, if US planners had half a clue about economics, they would be jumping for joy that the AIIB and the CIPS will finally help release them (eventually) from the burden of having the USD as the global reserve currency, thus relieving the US of the albatross of having to ship its internal demand to China and other net exporters.

All in all, yes AIIB should be positive, but as Hudson himself points out, this is not so much about economics as it is geopolitics. The world should tread with the utmost caution.

Dino Reno December 18, 2015 at 9:48 am

I think his main point is not so much about economics or geopolitics, it's about the rule of law, specifically international law and how it applies to the debt collection brokered between counties.

China and Russia harbored the fantasy that would be allowed redress in the Western Courts where international law is metered out. They are now no longer under that delusion.

Even if they come up with a lending facility, the West will thwart their ability to collect on those debts at every turn by simply declaring those debts null and void and extending new funds using the infrastructure build by the bad (Russian/Chinese) debt as collateral. The thirst for power and profit will always be with us, but now it will not be tempered by any international order under the rule of law.

Nick December 18, 2015 at 10:15 am

China is learning the hard way how the game is played. For example, they're discovering that much of the tens of billions in no-strings attached loans given to Africa will not provide the returns initially thought (even accounting for massive corruption on all sides), which is why they have been reduced for the first time in a decade this past year.

Alejandro December 18, 2015 at 10:41 am

Don't see how "economics" and "social" can be de-linked from "politics"…understanding the limits of "local" may provide an awareness of the "quid pro quo" of extending, direction of extension, and what defines (in/inter) "dependency"…how sacrifice is "shared" or imposed, and how "prosperity" is concentrated or distributed…

OpenThePodBayDoorsHAL December 18, 2015 at 2:50 pm

It's not Hudson but the US that has simplified the entire world situation into "good guys vs. bad guys", a policy enshrined in Rumsfeld's statement "you're either with us or you're against us".

It's like a playground with one big bully and lots of kids running scared, now a second bully appears and they all have to ask themselves whether Bully #2 will be nicer to them, in this case it appears Bully #2 is saying he won't tell them how to run their lives or steal their lunch money.

Post-comet in 2000 when everything started going to hell the worst casualty has been the rule of law, from hanging chads through to the Patriot Act, death by a thousand cuts of the Constitution, unprosecuted war crimes, unprosecuted financial crimes, and now the very fabric of international law being rent apart. I'm reminded of the Hunter Thompson scene where he has an expired driver's license and a cop pulls him over, he has two choices, hand over the license and get busted, or drive away and get busted… so he comes up with a third choice: he blows his nose all over the license and hands it over to the cop. The equivalent of Bully #1 taking the only soccer ball on the playground and kicking it over the fence so the game is screwed up for everybody, Pepe's "Empire of Chaos" indeed.

global123 December 18, 2015 at 9:47 am

stellar article michael hudson

1)Western economies depend on ocean transport…if chinese or ruskies destroy it, USA-EU will be bankrupt in weeks..USA-EU are consumers and not producers..their exports to rest of world are tiny..So,their position is very weak at this point
2)The asian countries like china-india will be forced to join hands under joint attack by US financial system and islamic jihadists..Russia and china,former enemies,are now friends…who could have imagines it?
Russo-chinese-iranian alliance is huge failure of US foreign policies
3)Using islamic terrorists and islamic countries like turkey-saudi arabia-pakistan-indonesia-egypt is not going to work for USA because muslims think USA as enemy no.1…
4)A military superiority can not guarantee permanent -everlasting victory against too many opponents
What i see here is USA has made entire islamic world their enemy,alongwith china and russia
In case of real war,USA position will be very weak

camelotkidd December 18, 2015 at 9:49 am

This is an amazing article. Bravo!
Now it's becoming clear just what Margaret Thatcher meant when she told everyone that there was no alternative to neoliberalism.

Steve H. December 18, 2015 at 10:00 am

Thank you for continuing to mark the historical specifics of the finance/legal wing of geopolitical conflict, and the perverse failings of Full Spectrum Dominance.

The Oceana/Eurasia dichotomy is a dangerous frame of reference. It essentially contrasts the transport efficiencies of water to the solid defensive capacity of the frozen steppes. But when things get bloody, they usually crack along language lines. Not only as a proxy for migrations of the gene, but also world-views. How horse-people see things, what metaphors they use, are very different than how cow-people categorize the world.

This highlights that Russia is continuing to operate within the language and legal framework of the Indo-European languages. In other words (!), it is a fight between the U.S. and Russia for European alliances. If this is the case, then the alliance of NATO with Turkic and Arabic lines is of convenience, in that they are not partners but proxies. Europe is faced with the habit of the U.S. in saying, Let's you and him fight. But there's an oceans difference between the U.S. and European interests.

It also means that Russia and China are being pushed together by western exclusion, like drops of oil on the water. I maintain that Russia has doubled down on global warming, to open up northern sea routes and make the steppes arable. China is already a sea-power, but its massive population will need lebensraum as the fossil-fuel support for the energy needs of megapoli decay. The mountains are a formidable barrier for them to take the steppes by force.

The question for the rest of the world then becomes, who do you want to have as a friend in a hundred years. Do you bet on the Wizards of Wall Street, with their Magic Money Wand of Fiat? Or do you think Russia will ground-n-pound the fairy dust into the mud?

SocietalIllusions December 18, 2015 at 11:17 am

what is left unsaid is the choices Russia then faces once their legal options play out and the uneven playing field is fully exposed. Do they not then have a historically justifiable basis for declaring war?

The game of brinksmanship continues…

Jim Haygood December 18, 2015 at 11:18 am

'The Russian and Chinese governments are investing in neighboring economies on terms that cement Eurasian economic integration.'

Whereas the U.S. is 'investing' in new military bases to cement U.S. global domination.

Guess which model actually benefits local living standards, and 'wins hearts and minds'?

Global domination as a policy goal bankrupted the USSR. It's not working for the USSA either, as the U.S. middle class (once the envy of the world) visibly sinks into pauperization.

Thus the veracity of Michael Hudson's conclusion that 'when a break comes, it will not be marginal but a seismic geopolitical shift.'

Steven December 18, 2015 at 1:56 pm

I get the same thrill reading Hudson the religiously devout must experience reading their bibles or Korans – a glimpse of 'truth' as best it can be known. My first encounter was this interview in Counterpunch: An Interview with Michael Hudson, author of Super Imperialism That led directly to "Super Imperialism" (and just about every book since its publication). After reading it, I was left with the uneasy feeling that no good would come from an international monetary system that allowed any one nation to pay its way in the world by creating money 'out of thin air' i.e. as sovereign and private debt or, almost the same thing, Federal Reserve Notes.

The race to the bottom of off-shored jobs and industries freed from all environmental restrictions, AKA 'globalization', had started to really kick in but it was just before Operation Iraqi Liberation (get it?). Fundamentally, it wasn't war for oil, of course, but a war to preserve the Dollar Standard. Recycling petrodollars bought a little time after the 1971 collapse of Bretton Woods. But with the world's treasuries filling up with US dollars and debt, the product of the Congressional-military-industrial-complex running wild and more recently the U.S. 0.01% successfully evading almost all forms of taxation, some kind of control more basic than controlling the world's access to money (which basically means credit) was required.

When people like Alan Greenspan (pretend to) come clean, you really want to look twice:

THOUGH it was not understood a century ago, and though as yet the applications of the knowledge to the economics of life are not generally realized, life in its physical aspect is fundamentally a struggle for energy, in which discovery after discovery brings life into new relations with the original source.

Frederick Soddy, WEALTH, VIRTUAL WEALTH AND DEBT, 2nd edition, p. 49
The world can live without American dollars, especially these days when the U.S. no longer makes much the world needs or can afford but most obviously because it already possesses more of them than can ever be redeemed ('debt that can't be repaid and won't be') What it can't live without is ENERGY.

So long as most of that energy needs to be pumped out of the ground, the nation that ultimately controls access to the pumps – or to the distribution networks required to deliver it to the ultimate user – controls the world. This is most likely why Reagan promptly dismantled Jimmy Carter's White House solar panels. It is why the US and its European vassals have been dragging their feet for a half-century on the development of renewable energy sources and the electrification of transportation. It is why the banks and Wall Street will stand solidly behind the various electrical utilities efforts to discourage the development of any alternative energy sources from which their executives and shareholders can not extract the last pint of blood or has Hudson more politely calls it 'economic rent'.

P.S. Hudson seems to have a dangerous monopoly on economic truth these days. Is there anyone else who even comes close?

[Dec 19, 2015] Ukraine still committed to good faith debt talks with Russia Finance Ministry

Notable quotes:
"... Ukraine remains committed ... to negotiating in good faith a consensual restructuring of the December 2015 Eurobonds, Nonsense, they are nothing but thieves in suits; Fascist politicians stealing from the taxpayers in the USA, EU, Russia and the Ukraine. You supporters of modern Fascism are disgusting little NeoCon trolls, yes you are! ..."
"... Under this IMF restructuring deal with the Ukraine, the oligarchs mandated that Monsanto GMO comes in. Now the once fertile farms will grow poisoned food. ... They also mandated hydraulic fracking rights to Exxon and BP. Now the aquifers will be poisoned. ... Moreover, the IMF social chapter destroys family values and requires that corrosive gay propaganda be thrust into the children's minds. ... Welcome to the new Globalist Business Model. ..."
"... The Ukraine is like a dying carcass. ... The EU jackals are howling, the IMF vultures are circling, and the NATO hyenas are picking the flesh off of the bones. ..."
"... Ukraine's Finance Minister, who promised in the above Reuters article today Dec 18, 2015, to talk in good faith with the Russian Federation about their $3 Billion Loan due and payable on Dec 15, as of today is in Default on that $3 Billion Loan , and therefore isn't eligible to receive any Loan from the IMF, headed by Chief Lagarde who must now stand trial for an improper loan of $434 Million . ..."
"... Good faith? They actually mean bait and switch ..."
"... The deadbeat American lackeys in Kiev have no intention of paying their debts to Russia because Washington DC is run by thieves and immoral people. You know this is true. ..."
"... Meanwhile Ukraine has restricted air travel, cutoff Crimea, and fought efforts to grant autonomy to Russian-speaking regions. With unpaid debt, the country still stokes war with Russia after being warned by Mr. Kerry to stop. ..."
news.yahoo.com

Algis

"Ukraine remains committed ... to negotiating in good faith a consensual restructuring of the December 2015 Eurobonds," Nonsense, they are nothing but thieves in suits; Fascist politicians stealing from the taxpayers in the USA, EU, Russia and the Ukraine. You supporters of modern Fascism are disgusting little NeoCon trolls, yes you are!

Robert

This is the new Globalist Business Model.

  1. Overthrow a sovereign country by revolution or outright bombing campaign.
  2. Appoint oligarchs to run it and fascists to rule the streets.
  3. Rack the country with unpardonable debt.
  4. Bring in the IMF and other global banks to 'restructure' the economy.
  5. Loot the country's resources by selling off the infrastructure for pennies on the dollar.
  6. Impose huge austerity programs. ... Cuts pensions in half and double basic living costs.
  7. Finally, colonialize the citizens under multi-national corporate rule where the people have little or no say.

Under this IMF restructuring deal with the Ukraine, the oligarchs mandated that Monsanto GMO comes in. Now the once fertile farms will grow poisoned food. ... They also mandated hydraulic fracking rights to Exxon and BP. Now the aquifers will be poisoned. ... Moreover, the IMF social chapter destroys family values and requires that corrosive gay propaganda be thrust into the children's minds. ... Welcome to the new Globalist Business Model.

The Ukraine is like a dying carcass. ... The EU jackals are howling, the IMF vultures are circling, and the NATO hyenas are picking the flesh off of the bones.

Algis

Russia needs to take payment out of their proverbial hides. No one consider it unjustified except a few brainwashed Americans and of course the immoral and corrupt ruling class of the Empire!

new_federali...

Ukraine's Finance Minister, who promised in the above Reuters article today Dec 18, 2015, to talk in good faith with the Russian Federation about their $3 Billion Loan due and payable on Dec 15, as of today is in Default on that $3 Billion Loan , and therefore isn't eligible to receive any Loan from the IMF, headed by Chief Lagarde who must now stand trial for an improper loan of $434 Million .

Therefore, Gold did achieve an all-important triple bottom at $1,050 per ounce this week, and is now in a furious rally up $15 to $1,065 per ounce as DXY (U.S. Dollar Index) falls sharply today due to utter failure of U.S.- led IMF to rescue Ukraine from Financial Collapse today -- Thus Gold will now rally sharply through at least Feb 2016 when Gold will be at $1,500 per ounce, and ultimately going to new all-time highs above $2,000 per ounce -- Dec 18, 2015 at 11:53 a.m. PST.

Commenter

Good faith? They actually mean bait and switch

Algis

The deadbeat American lackeys in Kiev have no intention of paying their debts to Russia because Washington DC is run by thieves and immoral people. You know this is true.

RonP

Meanwhile Ukraine has restricted air travel, cutoff Crimea, and fought efforts to grant autonomy to Russian-speaking regions. With unpaid debt, the country still stokes war with Russia after being warned by Mr. Kerry to stop.

[Dec 19, 2015] The Washington Post's Non-Political Fed Looks a Lot Like Wall Street's Fed

Notable quotes:
"... Any serious discussion of Fed policy would note that the banking industry appears to have a grossly disproportionate say in the country's monetary policy. ..."
Dec 19, 2015 | Beat the Press

... ... ...

But what is even more striking is the Post's ability to treat the Fed a neutral party when the evidence is so overwhelming in the opposite direction. The majority of the Fed's 12 district bank presidents have long been pushing for a rate hike. While there are some doves among this group, most notably Charles Evans, the Chicago bank president, and Narayana Kocherlakota, the departing president of the Minneapolis bank, most of this group has publicly pushed for higher rate hikes for some time. By contrast, the governors who are appointed through the democratic process, have been far more cautious about raising rates.

It should raise serious concerns that the bank presidents, who are appointed through a process dominated by the banking industry, has such a different perspective on the best path forward for monetary policy. With only five of the seven governor slots currently filled, there are as many presidents with voting seats on the Fed's Open Market Committee as governors. In total, the governors are outnumbered at meetings by a ratio of twelve to five.

Any serious discussion of Fed policy would note that the banking industry appears to have a grossly disproportionate say in the country's monetary policy. Furthermore, it seems determined to use that influence to push the Fed on a path that slows growth and reduces the rate of job creation. The Post somehow missed this story or at least would prefer that the rest of us not take notice.

* https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-federal-reserve-makes-a-good-judgment-call-in-raising-interest-rates/2015/12/18/7954e1c6-a4f8-11e5-ad3f-991ce3374e23_story.html

-- Dean Baker

[Dec 18, 2015] The Upward Redistribution of Income: Are Rents the Story?

Looks like growth of financial sector represents direct threat to the society
Notable quotes:
"... Perhaps the financialization of the economy and rising inequality leads to a corruption of the political process which leads to monetary, currency and fiscal policy such that labor markets are loose and inflation is low. ..."
"... Growth of the non-financial-sector == growth in productivity ..."
"... In complex subject matters, even the most competent person joining a company has to become familiar with the details of the products, the industry niche, the processes and professional/personal relationships in the company or industry, etc. All these are not really teachable and require between months and years in the job. This represents a significant sunk cost. Sometimes (actually rather often) experience within the niche/industry is in a degree portable between companies, but some company still had to employ enough people to build this experience, and it cannot be readily bought by bringing in however competent freshers. ..."
December 18, 2015 | cepr.netDean Baker:
Working Paper: : In the years since 1980, there has been a well-documented upward redistribution of income. While there are some differences by methodology and the precise years chosen, the top one percent of households have seen their income share roughly double from 10 percent in 1980 to 20 percent in the second decade of the 21st century. As a result of this upward redistribution, most workers have seen little improvement in living standards from the productivity gains over this period.

This paper argues that the bulk of this upward redistribution comes from the growth of rents in the economy in four major areas: patent and copyright protection, the financial sector, the pay of CEOs and other top executives, and protectionist measures that have boosted the pay of doctors and other highly educated professionals. The argument on rents is important because, if correct, it means that there is nothing intrinsic to capitalism that led to this rapid rise in inequality, as for example argued by Thomas Piketty.

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RC AKA Darryl, Ron said in reply to Fair Economist, December 18, 2015 at 11:34 AM

"...the growth of finance capitalism was what would kill capitalism off..."

"Financialization" is a short-cut terminology that in full is term either "financialization of non-financial firms" or "financialization of the means of production." In either case it leads to consolidation of firms, outsourcing, downsizing, and offshoring to reduce work force and wages and increase rents.

Consolidation, the alpha and omega of financialization can only be executed with very liquid financial markets, big investment banks to back necessary leverage to make the proffers, and an acute capital gains tax preference relative to dividends and interest earnings, the grease to liquidity.

It takes big finance to do "financialization" and it takes "financialization" to extract big rents while maintaining low wages.

RC AKA Darryl, Ron said in reply to RC AKA Darryl, Ron, December 18, 2015 at 11:42 AM
[THANKS to djb just down thread who supplied this link:]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021305040

Finance sector as percent of US GDP, 1860-present: the growth of the rentier economy

[graph]

Financialization is a term sometimes used in discussions of financial capitalism which developed over recent decades, in which financial leverage tended to override capital (equity) and financial markets tended to dominate over the traditional industrial economy and agricultural economics.

Financialization is a term that describes an economic system or process that attempts to reduce all value that is exchanged (whether tangible, intangible, future or present promises, etc.) either into a financial instrument or a derivative of a financial instrument. The original intent of financialization is to be able to reduce any work-product or service to an exchangeable financial instrument... Financialization also makes economic rents possible...financial leverage tended to override capital (equity) and financial markets tended to dominate over the traditional industrial economy and agricultural economics...

Companies are not able to invest in new physical capital equipment or buildings because they are obliged to use their operating revenue to pay their bankers and bondholders, as well as junk-bond holders. This is what I mean when I say that the economy is becoming financialized. Its aim is not to provide tangible capital formation or rising living standards, but to generate interest, financial fees for underwriting mergers and acquisitions, and capital gains that accrue mainly to insiders, headed by upper management and large financial institutions. The upshot is that the traditional business cycle has been overshadowed by a secular increase in debt.

Instead of labor earning more, hourly earnings have declined in real terms. There has been a drop in net disposable income after paying taxes and withholding "forced saving" for social Security and medical insurance, pension-fund contributions and–most serious of all–debt service on credit cards, bank loans, mortgage loans, student loans, auto loans, home insurance premiums, life insurance, private medical insurance and other FIRE-sector charges. ... This diverts spending away from goods and services.

In the United States, probably more money has been made through the appreciation of real estate than in any other way. What are the long-term consequences if an increasing percentage of savings and wealth, as it now seems, is used to inflate the prices of already existing assets - real estate and stocks - instead of to create new production and innovation?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financialization

pgl said in reply to RC AKA Darryl, Ron, December 18, 2015 at 03:25 PM
Your graph shows something I've been meaning to suggest for a while. Take a look at the last time that the financial sector share of GDP rose. The late 1920's. Which was followed by the Great Depression which has similar causes as our Great Recession. Here is my observation.

Give that Wall Street clowns a huge increase in our national income and we don't get more services from them. What we get is screwed on the grandest of scales.

BTW - there is a simple causal relationship that explains both the rise in the share of financial sector income/GDP and the massive collapses of the economy (1929 and 2007). It is called stupid financial deregulation. First we see the megabanks and Wall Street milking the system for all its worth and when their unhanded and often secretive risk taking falls apart - the rest of bear the brunt of the damage.

Which is why this election is crucial. Elect a Republican and we repeat this mistake again. Elect a real progressive and we can put in place the types of financial reforms FDR was known for.

Peter K. said in reply to RC AKA Darryl, Ron, December 18, 2015 at 11:50 AM

" and it takes "financialization" to extract big rents while maintaining low wages."

It takes governmental macro policy to maintain loose labor markets and low wages. Perhaps the financialization of the economy and rising inequality leads to a corruption of the political process which leads to monetary, currency and fiscal policy such that labor markets are loose and inflation is low.

djb said...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021305040

I don't know about the last couple years but this chart indicates a large growth in financials as a share of gdp over the years since the 40's

RC AKA Darryl, Ron said in reply to djb, December 18, 2015 at 12:03 PM
[Anne gave you FIRE sector profits as a share of GDP while this gives FIRE sector profits as a share of total corporate profits.]

*

[Smoking gun excerpt:]

"...The financial system has grown rapidly since the early 1980s. In the 1950s, the financial sector accounted for about 3 percent of U.S. gross domestic product. Today, that figure has more than doubled, to 6.5 percent. The sector's yearly rate of growth doubled after 1980, rising to a peak of 7.5 percent of GDP in 2006. As finance has grown in relative size it has also grown disproportionately more profitable. In 1950, financial-sector profits were about 8 percent of overall U.S. profits-meaning all the profit earned by any kind of business enterprise in the country. By the 2000s, they ranged between 20 and 40 percent...

[Ouch!]

[Now the whole enchilada:]

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/novemberdecember_2014/features/frenzied_financialization052714.php?page=all

If you want to know what happened to economic equality in this country, one word will explain a lot of it: financialization. That term refers to an increase in the size, scope, and power of the financial sector-the people and firms that manage money and underwrite stocks, bonds, derivatives, and other securities-relative to the rest of the economy.

The financialization revolution over the past thirty-five years has moved us toward greater inequality in three distinct ways. The first involves moving a larger share of the total national wealth into the hands of the financial sector. The second involves concentrating on activities that are of questionable value, or even detrimental to the economy as a whole. And finally, finance has increased inequality by convincing corporate executives and asset managers that corporations must be judged not by the quality of their products and workforce but by one thing only: immediate income paid to shareholders.

The financial system has grown rapidly since the early 1980s. In the 1950s, the financial sector accounted for about 3 percent of U.S. gross domestic product. Today, that figure has more than doubled, to 6.5 percent. The sector's yearly rate of growth doubled after 1980, rising to a peak of 7.5 percent of GDP in 2006. As finance has grown in relative size it has also grown disproportionately more profitable. In 1950, financial-sector profits were about 8 percent of overall U.S. profits-meaning all the profit earned by any kind of business enterprise in the country. By the 2000s, they ranged between 20 and 40 percent. This isn't just the decline of profits in other industries, either. Between 1980 and 2006, while GDP increased five times, financial-sector profits increased sixteen times over. While financial and nonfinancial profits grew at roughly the same rate before 1980, between 1980 and 2006 nonfinancial profits grew seven times while financial profits grew sixteen times.

This trend has continued even after the financial crisis of 2008 and subsequent financial reforms, including the 2010 Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act. Financial profits in 2012 were 24 percent of total profits, while the financial sector's share of GDP was 6.8 percent. These numbers are lower than the high points of the mid-2000s; but, compared to the years before 1980, they are remarkably high.

This explosion of finance has generated greater inequality. To begin with, the share of the total workforce employed in the financial sector has barely budged, much less grown at a rate equivalent to the size and profitability of the sector as a whole. That means that these swollen profits are flowing to a small sliver of the population: those employed in finance. And financiers, in turn, have become substantially more prominent among the top 1 percent. Recent work by the economists Jon Bakija, Adam Cole, and Bradley T. Heim found that the percentage of those in the top 1 percent of income working in finance nearly doubled between 1979 and 2005, from 7.7 percent to 13.9 percent.

If the economy had become far more productive as a result of these changes, they could have been worthwhile. But the evidence shows it did not. Economist Thomas Philippon found that financial services themselves have become less, not more, efficient over this time period. The unit cost of financial services, or the percentage of assets it costs to produce all financial issuances, was relatively high at the dawn of the twentieth century, but declined to below 2 percent between 1901 and 1960. However, it has increased since the 1960s, and is back to levels seen at the early twentieth century. Whatever finance is doing, it isn't doing it more cheaply.

In fact, the second damaging trend is that financial institutions began to concentrate more and more on activities that are worrisome at best and destructive at worst. Harvard Business School professors Robin Greenwood and David Scharfstein argue that between 1980 and 2007 the growth in financial-industry revenues came from two things: asset management and loan origination. Fees associated either with asset management or with household credit in particular were responsible for 74 percent of the growth in financial-sector output over that period.

The asset management portion reflects the explosion of mutual funds, which increased from $134 billion in assets in 1980 to $12 trillion in 2007. Much of it also comes from "alternative investment vehicles" like hedge funds and private equity. Over this time, the fee rate for mutual funds fell, but fees associated with alternative investment vehicles exploded. This is, in essence, money for nothing-there is little evidence that hedge funds actually perform better than the market over time. And, unlike mutual funds, alternative investment funds do not fully disclose their practices and fees publicly.

Beginning in 1980 and continuing today, banks generate less and less of their income from interest on loans. Instead, they rely on fees, from either consumers or borrowers. Fees associated with household credit grew from 1.1 percent of GDP in 1980 to 3.4 percent in 2007. As part of the unregulated shadow banking sector that took over the financial sector, banks are less and less in the business of holding loans and more and more concerned with packaging them and selling them off. Instead of holding loans on their books, banks originate loans to sell off and distribute into this new type of banking sector.

Again, if this "originate-to-distribute" model created value for society, it could be a worthwhile practice. But, in fact, this model introduced huge opportunities for fraud throughout the lending process. Loans-such as "securitized mortgages" made up of pledges of the income stream from subprime mortgage loans-were passed along a chain of buyers until someone far away held the ultimate risk. Bankers who originated the mortgages received significant commissions, with virtually no accountability or oversight. The incentive, in fact, was perverse: find the worst loans with the biggest fees instead of properly screening for whether the loans would be any good for investors.

The same model made it difficult, if not impossible, to renegotiate bad mortgages when the system collapsed. Those tasked with tackling bad mortgages on behalf of investors had their own conflicts of interests, and found themselves profiting while loans struggled. This process created bad debts that could never be paid, and blocked attempts to try and rework them after the fact. The resulting pool of bad debt has been a drag on the economy ever since, giving us the fall in median wages of the Great Recession and the sluggish recovery we still live with.

And of course it's been an epic disaster for the borrowers themselves. Many of them, we now know, were moderate- and lower-income families who were in no financial position to borrow as much as they did, especially under such predatory terms and with such high fees. Collapsing home prices and the inability to renegotiate their underwater mortgages stripped these folks of whatever savings they had and left them in deep debt, widening even further the gulf of inequality in this country.

Moreover, financialization isn't just confined to the financial sector itself. It's also ultimately about who controls, guides, and benefits from our economy as a whole. And here's the last big change: the "shareholder revolution," started in the 1980s and continuing to this very day, has fundamentally transformed the way our economy functions in favor of wealth owners.

To understand this change, compare two eras at General Electric. This is how business professor Gerald Davis describes the perspective of Owen Young, who was CEO of GE almost straight through from 1922 to 1945: "[S]tockholders are confined to a maximum return equivalent to a risk premium. The remaining profit stays in the enterprise, is paid out in higher wages, or is passed on to the customer." Davis contrasts that ethos with that of Jack Welch, CEO from 1981 to 2001; Welch, Davis says, believed in "the shareholder as king-the residual claimant, entitled to the [whole] pot of earnings."

This change had dramatic consequences. Economist J. W. Mason found that, before the 1980s, firms tended to borrow funds in order to fuel investment. Since 1980, that link has been broken. Now when firms borrow, they tend to use the money to fund dividends or buy back stocks. Indeed, even during the height of the housing boom, Mason notes, "corporations were paying out more than 100 percent of their cash flow to shareholders."

This lack of investment is obviously holding back our recovery. Productive investment remains low, and even extraordinary action by the Federal Reserve to make investments more profitable by keeping interest rates low has not been able to counteract the general corporate presumption that this money should go to shareholders. There is thus less innovation, less risk taking, and ultimately less growth. One of the reasons this revolution was engineered in the 1980s was to put a check on what kinds of investments CEOs could make, and one of those investments was wage growth. Finance has now won the battle against wage earners: corporations today are reluctant to raise wages even as the economy slowly starts to recover. This keeps the economy perpetually sluggish by retarding consumer demand, while also increasing inequality.

How can these changes be challenged? The first thing we must understand is the scope of the change. As Mason writes, the changes have been intellectual, legal, and institutional. At the intellectual level, academic research and conventional wisdom among economists and policymakers coalesced around the ideas that maximizing returns to shareholders is the only goal of a corporation, and that the financial markets were always right. At the legal level, laws regulating finance at the state level were overturned by the Supreme Court or preempted by federal regulators, and antitrust regulations were gutted by the Reagan administration and not taken up again.

At the institutional level, deregulation over several administrations led to a massive concentration of the financial sector into fewer, richer firms. As financial expertise became more prestigious than industry-specific knowledge, CEOs no longer came from within the firms they represented but instead from other firms or from Wall Street; their pay was aligned through stock options, which naturally turned their focus toward maximizing stock prices. The intellectual and institutional transformation was part of an overwhelming ideological change: the health and strength of the economy became identified solely with the profitability of the financial markets.

This was a bold revolution, and any program that seeks to change it has to be just as bold intellectually. Such a program will also require legal and institutional changes, ones that go beyond making sure that financial firms can fail without destroying the economy. Dodd-Frank can be thought of as a reaction against the worst excesses of the financial sector at the height of the housing bubble, and as a line of defense against future financial panics. Many parts of it are doing yeoman's work in curtailing the financial sector's abuses, especially in terms of protecting consumers from fraud and bringing some transparency to the Wild West of the derivatives markets. But the scope of the law is too limited to roll back these larger changes.

One provision of Dodd-Frank, however, suggests a way forward. At the urging of the AFL-CIO, Dodd-Frank empowered the Securities and Exchange Commission to examine the activities of private equity firms on behalf of their investors. At around $3.5 trillion, private equity is a massive market with serious consequences for the economy as a whole. On its first pass, the SEC found extensive abuses. Andrew Bowden, the director of the SEC's examinations office, stated that the agency found "what we believe are violations of law or material weaknesses in controls over 50 percent of the time."

Lawmakers could require private equity and hedge funds to standardize their disclosures of fees and holdings, as is currently the case for mutual funds. The decline in fees for mutual funds noted above didn't just happen by itself; it happened because the law structured the market for actual transparency and price competition. This will need to happen again for the broader financial sector.

But the most important change will be intellectual: we must come to understand our economy not as simply a vehicle for capital owners, but rather as the creation of all of us, a common endeavor that creates space for innovation, risk taking, and a stronger workforce. This change will be difficult, as we will have to alter how we approach the economy as a whole. Our wealth and companies can't just be strip-mined for a small sliver of capital holders; we'll need to bring the corporation back to the public realm. But without it, we will remain trapped inside an economy that only works for a select few.

[Whew!]

Puerto Barato said in reply to RC AKA Darryl, Ron,
"3 percent of U.S. gross domestic product. Today, that figure has more than doubled, to 6.5"
~~RC AKA Darryl, Ron ~

Growth of the non-financial-sector == growth in productivity

Growth of the financial-sector == growth in upward transfer of wealth

Ostensibly financial-sector is there to protect your money from being eaten up by inflation. Closer inspection shows that the prevention of *eaten up* is by the method of rent collection.

Accountants handle this analysis poorly, but you can see what is happening. Boiling it down to the bottom line you can easily see that wiping out the financial sector is the remedy to the Piketty.

Hell! Financial sector wiped itself out in 008. Problem was that the GSE and administration brought the zombie back to life then put the vampire back at our throats. What was the precipitating factor that snagged the financial sector without warning?

Unexpected
deflation
!

Gimme some
of that

pgl said in reply to djb...

People like Brad DeLong have noted this for a while. Twice as many people making twice as much money per person. And their true value to us - not a bit more than it was back in the 1940's.

Rock O Sock O Choco said in reply to djb... December 18, 2015 at 06:26 PM

JEC - MeanSquaredErrors said...

Wait, what?

Piketty looks at centuries of data from all over the world and concludes that capitalism has a long-run bias towards income concentration. Baker looks at 35 years of data in one country and concludes that Piketty is wrong. Um...?

A little more generously, what Baker actually writes is:

"The argument on rents is important because, if correct, it means that there is nothing intrinsic to capitalism that led to **this** rapid rise in inequality, as for example argued by Thomas Piketty." (emphasis added)

But Piketty has always been very explicit that the recent rise in US income inequality is anomalous -- driven primarily by rising inequality in the distribution of labor income, and only secondarily by any shift from labor to capital income.

So perhaps Baker is "correctly" refuting Straw Thomas Piketty. Which I suppose is better than just being obviously wrong. Maybe.

tew said...

Some simple math shows that this assertion is false "As a result of this upward redistribution, most workers have seen little improvement in living standards" unless you think an apprx. 60% in per-capita real income (expressed as GDP) among the 99% is "little improvement".

Real GDP 2015 / Real GDP 1980 = 2.57 (Source: FRED)
If the income share of the 1% shifted from 10% to 20% then The 1%' real GDP component went up 410% while that of The 99% went up 130%. Accounting for a population increase of about 41% brings those numbers to a 265% increase and a 62% increase.

Certainly a very unequal distribution of the productivity gains but hard to call "little".

I believe the truth of the statement is revealed when you look at the Top 5% vs. the other 95%.

cm said in reply to tew...

For most "working people", their raises are quickly eaten up by increases in housing/rental, food, local services, and other nondiscretionary costs. Sure, you can buy more and better imported consumer electronics per dollar, but you have to pay the rent/mortgage every months, how often do you buy a new flat screen TV? In a high-cost metro, a big ass TV will easily cost less than a single monthly rent (and probably less than your annual cable bill that you need to actually watch TV).

pgl said in reply to tew...

Are you trying to be the champion of the 1%? Sorry dude but Greg Mankiw beat you to this.

anne said...

In the years since 1980, there has been a well-documented upward redistribution of income. While there are some differences by methodology and the precise years chosen, the top one percent of households have seen their income share roughly double from 10 percent in 1980 to 20 percent in the second decade of the 21st century. As a result of this upward redistribution, most workers have seen little improvement in living standards from the productivity gains over this period....

-- Dean Baker

anne said in reply to anne...

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/data/historical/household/

September 16, 2015

Real Median Household Income, 1980 & 2014


1980 ( 48,462)

2014 ( 53,657)


53,657 - 48,462 = 5,195

5,195 / 48,462 = 10.7%


Between 1980 and 2014 real median household income increased by a mere 10.7%.

anne said in reply to don...

I would be curious to know what has happened to the number of members per household....

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/data/historical/household/

September 16, 2015

Household Size

2014 ( 2.54)
1980 ( 2.73)

[ The difference in household size to real median household incomes is not statistically significant. ]

anne said in reply to anne...

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/data/historical/families/index.html

September 16, 2015

Real Median Family Income, 1948-1980-2014


1948 ( 27,369)

1980 ( 57,528)

2014 ( 66,632)


57,528 - 27,369 = 30,159

30,159 / 27,369 = 110.2%


66,632 - 57,528 = 9,104

9,104 / 57,528 = 15.8%


Between 1948 and 1980, real median family income increased by 110.2%, while between 1980 and 2014 real median family income increased by a mere 15.8%.

cm said...

"protectionist measures that have boosted the pay of doctors and other highly educated professionals"

Protectionist measures (largely of the variety that foreign credentials are not recognized) apply to doctors and similar accredited occupations considered to be of some importance, but certainly much less so to "highly educated professionals" in tech, where the protectionism is limited to annual quotas for some categories of new workers imported into the country and requiring companies to pay above a certain wage rate for work visa holders in jobs claimed to have high skills requirements.

A little mentioned but significant factor for growing wages in "highly skilled" jobs is that the level of foundational and generic domain skills is a necessity, but is not all the value the individual brings to the company. In complex subject matters, even the most competent person joining a company has to become familiar with the details of the products, the industry niche, the processes and professional/personal relationships in the company or industry, etc. All these are not really teachable and require between months and years in the job. This represents a significant sunk cost. Sometimes (actually rather often) experience within the niche/industry is in a degree portable between companies, but some company still had to employ enough people to build this experience, and it cannot be readily bought by bringing in however competent freshers.

This applies less so e.g. in medicine. There are of course many heavily specialized disciplines, but a top flight brain or internal organ surgeon can essentially work on any person. The variation in the subject matter is large and complex, but much more static than in technology.

That's not to knock down the skill of medical staff in any way (or anybody else who does a job that is not trivial, and that's true for many jobs). But specialization vs. genericity follow a different pattern than in tech.

Another example, the legal profession. There are similar principles that carry across, with a lot of the specialization happening along different legislation, case law, etc., specific to the jurisdiction and/or domain being litigated.

[Dec 16, 2015] Big Banks Caught Using Credit Default Swaps To Destroy Nations

Notable quotes:
"... when the Big Banks were caught and convicted of conspiring to manipulate the $500 trillion, LIBOR debt market ..."
"... when the Big Banks were caught and convicted of conspiring to launder trillions for the global drug cartels and "terrorist" entities, despite the supposed "wars" the U.S. claims to be fighting against drugs and terrorism ..."
"... The Vampire Squid Firmly Attached To The Face Of Humanity ..."
"... As far as I can gather, the World Bank and the IMF are apart of the very same Cartel that own/control the Central Banks. ..."
Dec 16, 2015 | Zero Hedge

Then we have the confessions of the criminals. A full one-quarter of Wall Street's and London's senior banking executives freely admit that crime is a way of life in their industry -- organized crime. Even in our justice system (or what remains of it), once armed with confessions, the principle of "innocent until proven guilty" no longer applies – the guilt is conceded.

The Big Banks manipulate credit default swaps to perpetrate economic terrorism against other nations in the world, where they literally destroy the economies of those victim-nations. It used to be a theory, but now the proof is finally emerging. You heard it here first.

LawsofPhysics

So what? Has any of the bank management/leaders gone to prison and lost all their wealth?

Ghordius

good article

"when the Big Banks were caught and convicted of conspiring to manipulate the $500 trillion, LIBOR debt market"

(Citicorp, JPMorgan Chase & Co., Barclays Plc and Royal Bank of Scotland Plc agreed to plead guilty to felony charges of conspiring to manipulate the price of U.S. dollars and euros)

"when the Big Banks were caught and convicted of conspiring to launder trillions for the global drug cartels and "terrorist" entities, despite the supposed "wars" the U.S. claims to be fighting against drugs and terrorism"

(Wells Fargo and JPMorgan)

and of course, The Vampire Squid Firmly Attached To The Face Of Humanity, Goldman Sachs, The Great Destroyer

commoncourtesy

Fancy-free please will you explain further.

As far as I can gather, the World Bank and the IMF are apart of the very same Cartel that own/control the Central Banks. All are controlled by the BIS who is run/controlled by pretty much all the same criminals on a merry-go-round. Throw in the Vatican, The Crown (BAR) Temple - The City of London, Washington DC, the Rothschild's et al, puppet Governments (and their military) on the same payroll and the world is pretty much screwed.

Who are the Board of Governors you are talking about?

Who is this coalition?

Please name names.

Can you vouch for their credibility or are they part of the corrupt cartel?

There is far TOO MUCH SECRECY going on.

If everything was more transparent, out of the shadows and open the world would not be in the state is in today.

Closed dealings, complexity and behind the curtain negotiations promote corruption.

How can justice be served when most public jurors would not be able to understand the fraudulent accounting practices being utilised?

What is the TRUTH?

andrewp111

A big load of bullshit. The US has its own currency and that currency is backed by military power. Greece is a subordinate vassal state of the EU. There is no comparison between the two.

[Dec 13, 2015] Deregulation of exotic financial instruments like derivatives and credit-default swaps and corruption of Congress and government

Notable quotes:
"... Can you list all of the pro- or anti- Wall Street reforms and actions Bill Clinton performed as President including nominating Alan Greenspan as head regulator? Cutting the capital gains tax? Are you aware of Greenspans record? ..."
"... Its actually pro-neoliberalism crowd vs anti-neoliberalism crowd. In no way anti-neoliberalism commenters here view this is a character melodrama, although psychologically Hillary probably does has certain problems as her reaction to the death of Gadhafi attests. The key problem with anti-neoliberalism crowd is the question What is a realistic alternative? Thats where differences and policy debate starts. ..."
"... Events do not occur in isolation. GLBA increased TBTF in AIG and Citi. TBTF forced TARP. GLBA greased the skids for CFMA. Democrats gained majority, but not filibuster proof, caught between Iraq and a hard place following their votes for TARP and a broader understanding of their participation in the unanimous consent passage of the CFMA, over objection by Senators James Inhofe (R-OK) and Paul Wellstone (D-MN). ..."
"... It certainly fits the kind of herd mentality that I always saw in corporate Amerika until I retired. The William Greider article posted by RGC was very consistent in its account by John Reed with the details of one or two books written about AIG back in 2009 or so. I dont have time to hunt them up now. Besides, no one would read them anyway. ..."
"... GS was one of several actions taken by the New Deal. That it wasnt sufficient by itself doesnt equate to it wasnt beneficial. ..."
"... "Today Congress voted to update the rules that have governed financial services since the Great Depression and replace them with a system for the 21st century," said then-Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers. "This historic legislation will better enable American companies to compete in the new economy." ..."
"... The repeal of Glass Steagal was a landmark victory in deregulation that greased the skids for the passage of CFMA once Democrats had been further demoralized by the SCOTUS decision on Bush-v-Gore. The first vote on GLBA was split along party lines, but passed because Republicans had majority and Clinton was willing to sign which was clear from the waiver that had been granted to illegal Citi merger with Travelers. Both Citi and AIG mergers contributed to too big to fail. The CFMA was the nail in the coffin that probably would have never gotten off the ground if Democrats had held the line on the GLBA. Glass-Steagal was insufficient as a regulatory system to prevent the 2008 mortgage crisis, but it was giant as an icon of New Deal financial system reform. Its loss institutionalized too big to fail ..."
"... Gramm Leach Biley was a mistake. But it was not the only failure of US regulatory policies towards financial institutions nor the most important. ..."
"... It was more symbolic caving in on financial regulation than a specific technical failure except for making too big to fail worse at Citi and AIG. It marked a sea change of thinking about financial regulation. Nothing mattered any more, including the CFMA just a little over one year later. Deregulation of derivatives trading mandated by the CFMA was a colossal failure and it is not bizarre to believe that GLBA precipitated the consensus on financial deregulation enough that after the demoralizing defeat of Democrats in Bush-v-Gore then there was no New Deal spirit of financial regulation left. Social development is not just a series of unconnected events. It is carried on a tide of change. A falling tide grounds all boats. ..."
"... We had a financial dereg craze back in the late 1970s and early 1980s which led to the S L disaster. One would have thought we would have learned from that. But then came the dereg craziness 20 years later. And this disaster was much worse. ..."
"... This brings us to Lawrence Summers, the former Treasury Secretary of the United States and at the time right hand man to then Treasury Security Robert Rubin. Mr. Summers was widely credited with implementation of the aggressive tactics used to remove Ms. Born from her office, tactics that multiple sources describe as showing an old world bias against women piercing the glass ceiling. ..."
"... According to numerous published reports, Mr. Summers was involved in. silencing those who questioned the opaque derivative product's design. ..."
"... The Tax Policy Center estimated that a 0.1 percent tax on stock trades, scaled with lower taxes on other assets, would raise $50 billion a year in tax revenue. The implied reduction in trading revenue was even larger. Senator Sanders has proposed a tax of 0.5 percent on equities (also with a scaled tax on other assets). This would lead to an even larger reduction in revenue for the financial industry. ..."
"... Great to see Bakers acknowledgement that an updated Glass-Steagall is just one component of the progressive wings plan to rein in Wall Street, not the sum total of it. Besides, if Wall Street types dont think restoring Glass-Steagall will have any meaningful effects, why do they expend so much energy to disparage it? Methinks they doth protest too much. ..."
"... Yes thats a good way to look it. Wall Street gave the Democrats and Clinton a lot of campaign cash so that they would dismantle Glass-Steagall. ..."
"... Slippery slope. Ya gotta find me a business of any type that does not protest any kind of regulation on their business. ..."
"... Yeah, but usually because of all the bad things they say will happen because of the regulation. The question is, what do they think of Clintons plan? Ive heard surprisingly little about that, and what I have heard is along these lines: http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/08/investing/hillary-clinton-wall-street-plan/ ..."
"... Hillary Clinton unveiled her big plan to curb the worst of Wall Streets excesses on Thursday. The reaction from the banking community was a shrug, if not relief. ..."
"... Iceland's government is considering a revolutionary monetary proposal – removing the power of commercial banks to create money and handing it to the central bank. The proposal, which would be a turnaround in the history of modern finance, was part of a report written by a lawmaker from the ruling centrist Progress Party, Frosti Sigurjonsson, entitled "A better monetary system for Iceland". ..."
economistsview.typepad.com

RGC said...

Hillary Clinton Is Whitewashing the Financial Catastrophe

She has a plan that she claims will reform Wall Street-but she's deflecting responsibility from old friends and donors in the industry.

By William Greider
Yesterday 3:11 pm

Hillary Clinton's recent op-ed in The New York Times, "How I'd Rein In Wall Street," was intended to reassure nervous Democrats who fear she is still in thrall to those mega-bankers of New York who crashed the American economy. Clinton's brisk recital of plausible reform ideas might convince wishful thinkers who are not familiar with the complexities of banking. But informed skeptics, myself included, see a disturbing message in her argument that ought to alarm innocent supporters.

Candidate Clinton is essentially whitewashing the financial catastrophe. She has produced a clumsy rewrite of what caused the 2008 collapse, one that conveniently leaves her husband out of the story. He was the president who legislated the predicate for Wall Street's meltdown. Hillary Clinton's redefinition of the reform problem deflects the blame from Wall Street's most powerful institutions, like JPMorgan Chase and Goldman Sachs, and instead fingers less celebrated players that failed. In roundabout fashion, Hillary Clinton sounds like she is assuring old friends and donors in the financial sector that, if she becomes president, she will not come after them.

The seminal event that sowed financial disaster was the repeal of the New Deal's Glass-Steagall Act of 1933, which had separated banking into different realms: investment banks, which organize capital investors for risk-taking ventures; and deposit-holding banks, which serve people as borrowers and lenders. That law's repeal, a great victory for Wall Street, was delivered by Bill Clinton in 1999, assisted by the Federal Reserve and the financial sector's armies of lobbyists. The "universal banking model" was saluted as a modernizing reform that liberated traditional banks to participate directly and indirectly in long-prohibited and vastly more profitable risk-taking.

Exotic financial instruments like derivatives and credit-default swaps flourished, enabling old-line bankers to share in the fun and profit on an awesome scale. The banks invented "guarantees" against loss and sold them to both companies and market players. The fast-expanding financial sector claimed a larger and larger share of the economy (and still does) at the expense of the real economy of producers and consumers. The interconnectedness across market sectors created the illusion of safety. When illusions failed, these connected guarantees became the dragnet that drove panic in every direction. Ultimately, the federal government had to rescue everyone, foreign and domestic, to stop the bleeding.

Yet Hillary Clinton asserts in her Times op-ed that repeal of Glass-Steagall had nothing to do with it. She claims that Glass-Steagall would not have limited the reckless behavior of institutions like Lehman Brothers or insurance giant AIG, which were not traditional banks. Her argument amounts to facile evasion that ignores the interconnected exposures. The Federal Reserve spent $180 billion bailing out AIG so AIG could pay back Goldman Sachs and other banks. If the Fed hadn't acted and had allowed AIG to fail, the banks would have gone down too.

These sound like esoteric questions of bank regulation (and they are), but the consequences of pretending they do not matter are enormous. The federal government and Federal Reserve would remain on the hook for rescuing losers in a future crisis. The largest and most adventurous banks would remain free to experiment, inventing fictitious guarantees and selling them to eager suckers. If things go wrong, Uncle Sam cleans up the mess.

Senator Elizabeth Warren and other reformers are pushing a simpler remedy-restore the Glass-Steagall principles and give citizens a safe, government-insured place to store their money. "Banking should be boring," Warren explains (her co-sponsor is GOP Senator John McCain).
That's a hard sell in politics, given the banking sector's bear hug of Congress and the White House, its callous manipulation of both political parties. Of course, it is more complicated than that. But recreating a safe, stable banking system-a place where ordinary people can keep their money-ought to be the first benchmark for Democrats who claim to be reformers.

Actually, the most compelling witnesses for Senator Warren's argument are the two bankers who introduced this adventure in "universal banking" back in the 1990s. They used their political savvy and relentless muscle to seduce Bill Clinton and his so-called New Democrats. John Reed was CEO of Citicorp and led the charge. He has since apologized to the nation. Sandy Weill was chairman of the board and a brilliant financier who envisioned the possibilities of a single, all-purpose financial house, freed of government's narrow-minded regulations. They won politically, but at staggering cost to the country.

Weill confessed error back in 2012: "What we should probably do is go and split up investment banking from banking. Have banks do something that's not going to risk the taxpayer dollars, that's not going to be too big to fail."

John Reed's confession explained explicitly why their modernizing crusade failed for two fundamental business reasons. "One was the belief that combining all types of finance into one institution would drive costs down-and the larger institution the more efficient it would be," Reed wrote in the Financial Times in November. Reed said, "We now know that there are very few cost efficiencies that come from the merger of functions-indeed, there may be none at all. It is possible that combining so much in a single bank makes services more expensive than if they were instead offered by smaller, specialised players."

The second grave error, Reed said, was trying to mix the two conflicting cultures in banking-bankers who are pulling in opposite directions. That tension helps explain the competitive greed displayed by the modernized banking system. This disorder speaks to the current political crisis in ways that neither Dems nor Republicans wish to confront. It would require the politicians to critique the bankers (often their funders) in terms of human failure.

"Mixing incompatible cultures is a problem all by itself," Reed wrote. "It makes the entire finance industry more fragile…. As is now clear, traditional banking attracts one kind of talent, which is entirely different from the kinds drawn towards investment banking and trading. Traditional bankers tend to be extroverts, sociable people who are focused on longer term relationships. They are, in many important respects, risk averse. Investment bankers and their traders are more short termist. They are comfortable with, and many even seek out, risk and are more focused on immediate reward."

Reed concludes, "As I have reflected about the years since 1999, I think the lessons of Glass-Steagall and its repeal suggest that the universal banking model is inherently unstable and unworkable. No amount of restructuring, management change or regulation is ever likely to change that."

This might sound hopelessly naive, but the Democratic Party might do better in politics if it told more of the truth more often: what they tried do and why it failed, and what they think they may have gotten wrong. People already know they haven't gotten a straight story from politicians. They might be favorably impressed by a little more candor in the plain-spoken manner of John Reed.

Of course it's unfair to pick on the Dems. Republicans have been lying about their big stuff for so long and so relentlessly that their voters are now staging a wrathful rebellion. Who knows, maybe a little honest talk might lead to honest debate. Think about it. Do the people want to hear the truth about our national condition? Could they stand it?

http://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clinton-is-whitewashing-the-financial-catastrophe/

EMichael -> RGC...
"She claims that Glass-Steagall would not have limited the reckless behavior of institutions like Lehman Brothers or insurance giant AIG, which were not traditional banks."

Of course this claim is absolutely true. Just like GS would not have affected the other investment banks, whatever their name was. And just like we would have had to bail out those other banks whatever their name was.

Peter K. -> EMichael...
Can you list all of the pro- or anti- Wall Street "reforms" and actions Bill Clinton performed as President including nominating Alan Greenspan as head regulator? Cutting the capital gains tax? Are you aware of Greenspan's record?

Yes Hillary isn't Bill but she hasn't criticized her husband specifically about his record and seems to want to have her cake and eat it too.

Of course Hillary is much better than the Republicans, pace Rustbucket and the Green Lantern Lefty club. Still, critics have a point.

I won't be surprised if she doesn't do much to rein in Wall Street besides some window dressing.

sanjait -> Peter K....
"Can you list all of the pro- or anti- Wall Street "reforms" and actions Bill Clinton performed..."

That, right there, is what's wrong with Bernie and his fans. They measure everything by whether it is "pro- or anti- Wall Street". Glass Steagall is anti-Wall Street. A financial transactions tax is anti-Wall Street. But neither has any hope of controlling systemic financial risk in this country. None.

You guys want to punish Wall Street but not even bother trying to think of how to achieve useful policy goals. Some people, like Paine here, are actually open about this vacuity, as if the only thing that were important were winning a power struggle.

Hillary's plan is flat out better. It's more comprehensive and more effective at reining in the financial system to limit systemic risk. Period.

You guys want to make this a character melodrama rather than a policy debate, and I fear the result of that will be that the candidate who actually has the best plan won't get to enact it.

likbez -> sanjait...

"You guys want to make this a character melodrama rather than a policy debate, and I fear the result of that will be that the candidate who actually has the best plan won't get to enact it."

You are misrepresenting the positions. It's actually pro-neoliberalism crowd vs anti-neoliberalism crowd. In no way anti-neoliberalism commenters here view this is a character melodrama, although psychologically Hillary probably does has certain problems as her reaction to the death of Gadhafi attests. The key problem with anti-neoliberalism crowd is the question "What is a realistic alternative?" That's where differences and policy debate starts.

RGC -> EMichael...
"Her argument amounts to facile evasion"

Fred C. Dobbs -> RGC...

'The majority favors policies to the left of Hillary.'

Nah. I don't think so.

No, Liberals Don't Control the Democratic Party http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/02/no-liberals-dont-control-the-democratic-party/283653/
The Atlantic - Feb 7, 2014

... The Democrats' liberal faction has been greatly overestimated by pundits who mistake noisiness for clout or assume that the left functions like the right. In fact, liberals hold nowhere near the power in the Democratic Party that conservatives hold in the Republican Party. And while they may well be gaining, they're still far from being in charge. ...

Paine -> RGC...

What's not confronted ? Suggest what a System like the pre repeal system would have done in the 00's. My guess we'd have ended in a crisis anyway. Yes we can segregate the depository system. But credit is elastic enough to build bubbles without the depository system involved

EMichael -> Paine ...

Exactly.

Most people think of lending like the Bailey Brothers Savings and Loan still exists.

RC AKA Darryl, Ron -> EMichael...

Don't be such a whistle dick. Just because you cannot figure out why GLBA made such an impact that in no way means that people that do understand are stupid. See my posted comment to RGC on GLBA just down thread for an more detailed explanation including a linked web article. No, GS alone would not have prevented the mortgage bubble, but it would have lessened TBTF and GS stood as icon, a symbol of financial regulation. Hell, if we don't need GS then why don't we just allow unregulated derivatives trading? Who cares, right? Senators Byron Dorgan, Barbara Boxer, Barbara Mikulski, Richard Shelby, Tom Harkin, Richard Bryan, Russ Feingold and Bernie Sanders all voted against GLBA to repeal GS for some strange reason and Dorgan made a really big deal out of it at the time. I doubt everyone on that list of Senators was just stupid because they did not see it your way.

RC AKA Darryl, Ron -> EMichael...
I ran all out of ceteris paribus quite some time ago. Events do not occur in isolation. GLBA increased TBTF in AIG and Citi. TBTF forced TARP. GLBA greased the skids for CFMA. Democrats gained majority, but not filibuster proof, caught between Iraq and a hard place following their votes for TARP and a broader understanding of their participation in the unanimous consent passage of the CFMA, over "objection" by Senators James Inhofe (R-OK) and Paul Wellstone (D-MN). We have had a Republican majority in the House since the 2010 election and now they have the Senate as well. If you are that sure that voters just choose divided government, then aren't we better off to have a Republican POTUS and Democratic Congress?

sanjait -> RC AKA Darryl, Ron...

"I ran all out of ceteris paribus quite some time ago. Events do not occur in isolation. GLBA increased TBTF in AIG and Citi. TBTF forced TARP. GLBA greased the skids for CFMA. "

I know you think this is a really meaningful string that evidences causation, but it just looks like you are reaching, reaching, reaching ...

RC AKA Darryl, Ron -> sanjait...

Maybe. No way to say for sure. It certainly fits the kind of herd mentality that I always saw in corporate Amerika until I retired. The William Greider article posted by RGC was very consistent in its account by John Reed with the details of one or two books written about AIG back in 2009 or so. I don't have time to hunt them up now. Besides, no one would read them anyway.

I am voting for whoever wins the Democratic nomination for POTUS. Bernie without a like-minded Congress would not do much good. But when we shoot each other down here at EV without offering any agreement or consideration that we might not be 100% correct, then that goes against Doc Thoma's idea of an open forum. Granted, with my great big pair then I am willing to state my opinion with no consideration for validation or acceptance, but not everyone has that degree of a comfort zone. Besides, I am so old an cynical that shooting down the overdogs that go after the underdogs is one of the few things that I still care about.

RGC -> Paine ...

GS was one of several actions taken by the New Deal. That it wasn't sufficient by itself doesn't equate to it wasn't beneficial.

RC AKA Darryl, Ron -> RGC...

[Lock and load.]

http://www.occasionalplanet.org/2015/05/13/glass-steagall-one-democratic-senator-who-got-it-right/

Glass-Steagall: Warren and Sanders bring it back into focus

Madonna Gauding / May 13, 2015

Senators Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are putting a new focus on the Glass-Steagall Act, which was, unfortunately, repealed in 1999 and led directly to the financial crises we have faced ever since. Here's a bit of history of this legislative debacle from an older post on Occasional Planet published several years ago :

On November 4, 1999, Senator Byron Dorgan (D-ND) took to the floor of the senate to make an impassioned speech against the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act, (alternately known as Gramm Leach Biley, or the "Financial Modernization Act") Repeal of Glass-Steagall would allow banks to merge with insurance companies and investments houses. He said "I want to sound a warning call today about this legislation, I think this legislation is just fundamentally terrible."

According to Sam Stein, writing in 2009 in the Huffington Post, only eight senators voted against the repeal. Senior staff in the Clinton administration and many now in the Obama administration praised the repeal as the "most important breakthrough in the world of finance and politics in decades"

According to Stein, Dorgan warned that banks would become "too big to fail" and claimed that Congress would "look back in a decade and say we should not have done this." The repeal of Glass Steagall, of course, was one of several bad policies that helped lead to the current economic crisis we are in now.

Dorgan wasn't entirely alone. Sens. Barbara Boxer, Barbara Mikulski, Richard Shelby, Tom Harkin, Richard Bryan, Russ Feingold and Bernie Sanders also cast nay votes. The late Sen. Paul Wellstone opposed the bill, and warned at the time that Congress was "about to repeal the economic stabilizer without putting any comparable safeguard in its place."

Democratic Senators had sufficient knowledge about the dangers of the repeal of Glass Steagall, but chose to ignore it. Plenty of experts warned that it would be impossible to "discipline" banks once the legislation was passed, and that they would get too big and complex to regulate. Editorials against repeal appeared in the New York Times and other mainstream venues, suggesting that if the new megabanks were to falter, they could take down the entire global economy, which is exactly what happened. Stein quotes Ralph Nader who said at the time, "We will look back at this and wonder how the country was so asleep. It's just a nightmare."

According to Stein:

"The Senate voted to pass Gramm-Leach-Bliley by a vote of 90-8 and reversed what was, for more than six decades, a framework that had governed the functions and reach of the nation's largest banks. No longer limited by laws and regulations commercial and investment banks could now merge. Many had already begun the process, including, among others, J.P. Morgan and Citicorp. The new law allowed it to be permanent. The updated ground rules were low on oversight and heavy on risky ventures. Historically in the business of mortgages and credit cards, banks now would sell insurance and stock.

Nevertheless, the bill did not lack champions, many of whom declared that the original legislation - forged during the Great Depression - was both antiquated and cumbersome for the banking industry. Congress had tried 11 times to repeal Glass-Steagall. The twelfth was the charm.

"Today Congress voted to update the rules that have governed financial services since the Great Depression and replace them with a system for the 21st century," said then-Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers. "This historic legislation will better enable American companies to compete in the new economy."

"I welcome this day as a day of success and triumph," said Sen. Christopher Dodd, (D-Conn.).

"The concerns that we will have a meltdown like 1929 are dramatically overblown," said Sen. Bob Kerrey, (D-Neb.).

"If we don't pass this bill, we could find London or Frankfurt or years down the road Shanghai becoming the financial capital of the world," said Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y. "There are many reasons for this bill, but first and foremost is to ensure that U.S. financial firms remain competitive."

Unfortunately, the statement by Chuck Schumer sounds very much like it was prepared by a lobbyist. This vote underscores the way in which our elected officials are so heavily swayed by corporate and banking money that our voices and needs become irrelevant. It is why we need publicly funded elections. Democratic senators, the so-called representatives of the people, fell over themselves to please their Wall Street donors knowing full well there were dangers for the country at large, for ordinary Americans, in repealing Glass-Steagall.

It is important to hold Democratic senators (along with current members of the Obama administration) accountable for the significant role they have played in the current economic crisis that has caused so much suffering for ordinary Americans. In case you were wondering, the current Democratic Senators who voted yes to repeal the Glass-Steagall act are the following:

Daniel Akaka – Max Baucus – Evan Bayh – Jeff Bingaman – Kent Conrad – Chris Dodd – Dick Durbin – Dianne Feinstein – Daniel Inouye – Tim Johnson – John Kerry – Herb Kohl – Mary Landrieu – Frank Lautenberg – Patrick Leahy – Carl Levin – Joseph Lieberman – Blanche Lincoln – Patty Murray – Jack Reed – Harry Reid – Jay Rockefeller – Chuck Schumer – Ron Wyden

Former House members who voted for repeal who are current Senators.

Mark Udall [as of 2010] – Debbie Stabenow – Bob Menendez – Tom Udall -Sherrod Brown

No longer in the Senate, or passed away, but who voted for repeal:

Joe Biden -Ted Kennedy -Robert Byrd

These Democratic senators would like to forget or make excuses for their enthusiastic vote on the repeal of Glass Steagall, but it is important to hold them accountable for helping their bank donors realize obscene profits while their constituents lost jobs, savings and homes. And it is important to demand that they serve the interests of the American people.

*

[The repeal of Glass Steagal was a landmark victory in deregulation that greased the skids for the passage of CFMA once Democrats had been further demoralized by the SCOTUS decision on Bush-v-Gore. The first vote on GLBA was split along party lines, but passed because Republicans had majority and Clinton was willing to sign which was clear from the waiver that had been granted to illegal Citi merger with Travelers. Both Citi and AIG mergers contributed to too big to fail. The CFMA was the nail in the coffin that probably would have never gotten off the ground if Democrats had held the line on the GLBA. Glass-Steagal was insufficient as a regulatory system to prevent the 2008 mortgage crisis, but it was giant as an icon of New Deal financial system reform. Its loss institutionalized too big to fail.]

pgl -> RC AKA Darryl, Ron...

Gramm Leach Biley was a mistake. But it was not the only failure of US regulatory policies towards financial institutions nor the most important. I think that is what Hillary Clinton is saying.

RC AKA Darryl, Ron -> pgl...

It was more symbolic caving in on financial regulation than a specific technical failure except for making too big to fail worse at Citi and AIG. It marked a sea change of thinking about financial regulation. Nothing mattered any more, including the CFMA just a little over one year later. Deregulation of derivatives trading mandated by the CFMA was a colossal failure and it is not bizarre to believe that GLBA precipitated the consensus on financial deregulation enough that after the demoralizing defeat of Democrats in Bush-v-Gore then there was no New Deal spirit of financial regulation left. Social development is not just a series of unconnected events. It is carried on a tide of change. A falling tide grounds all boats.

pgl -> RC AKA Darryl, Ron...

We had a financial dereg craze back in the late 1970's and early 1980's which led to the S&L disaster. One would have thought we would have learned from that. But then came the dereg craziness 20 years later. And this disaster was much worse.

I don't care whether Hillary says 1999 was a mistake or not. I do care what the regulations of financial institutions will be like going forward.

RC AKA Darryl, Ron -> pgl...

I cannot disagree with any of that.

sanjait -> RC AKA Darryl, Ron...

"Deregulation of derivatives trading mandated by the CFMA was a colossal failure and it is not bizarre to believe that GLBA precipitated the consensus"

Yeah, it is kind of bizarre to blame one bill for a crisis that occurred largely because another bill was passed, based on some some vague assertion about how the first bill made everyone think crazy.

RC AKA Darryl, Ron -> sanjait...
Democrats did not vote for GLBA until after reconciliation between the House and Senate bills. Democrats were tossed a bone in the Community Reinvestment Act financing provisions and given that Bill Clinton was going to sign anyway and that Republicans were able to pass the bill without a single vote from Democrats then all but a few Democrats bought in. They could not stop it, so they just bought into it. I thought there was supposed to be an understanding of behaviorism devoted to understanding the political economy. For that matter Republicans did not need Democrats to vote for the CFMA either, but they did. That gave Republicans political cover for whatever went wrong later on. No one with a clue believed things would go well from the passage of either of these bills. It was pure Wall Street driven kleptocracy.
likbez -> sanjait...
It was not one bill or another. It was a government policy to get traders what they want.

See

Bruce E. Woych | August 6, 2013 at 5:45 pm |

http://www.imackgroup.com/mathematics/989981-the-untold-story-brooksley-born-larry-summers-the-truth-about-unlimited-risk-potential/

The Untold Story: Brooksley Born, Larry Summers & the Truth …
http://www.imackgroup.com/mathematics/989981-the-untold-story-brooksley-born-larry...
Oct 5, 2012 … Larry Summers is attempting to re-write history at the expense of … and they might just find one critical point revealed in Mr. Cohan's article.
[PERTINENT EXCERPT]: Oct 5, 2012

"As the western world wakes to the fact it is in the middle of a debt crisis spiral, intelligent voices are wondering how this manifested itself? As we speak, those close to the situation could be engaging in historical revisionism to obfuscate their role in the design of faulty leverage structures that were identified in the derivatives markets in 1998 and 2008. These same design flaws, first identified in 1998, are persistent today and could become graphically evident in the very near future under the weight of a European debt crisis.

Author and Bloomberg columnist William Cohan chronicles the fascinating start of this historic leverage implosion in his recent article Rethinking Robert Rubin. Readers may recall it was Mr. Cohan who, in 2004, noted leverage issues that ultimately imploded in 2007-08.

At some point, market watchers will realize the debt crisis story will literally change the world. They will look to the root cause of the problem, and they might just find one critical point revealed in Mr. Cohan's article.

This point occurs in 1998 when then Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) ChairwomanBrooksley Born identified what now might be recognized as core design flaws in leverage structure used in Over the Counter (OTC) transactions. Ms. Born brought her concerns public, by first asking just to study the issue, as appropriate action was not being taken. She issued a concept release paper that simply asked for more information. "The Commission is not entering into this process with preconceived results in mind," the document reads.

Ms. Born later noted in, the PBS Frontline documentary on the topic speculation at the CFTC was the unregulated OTC derivatives were opaque, the risk to the global economy could not be determined and the risk was potentially catastrophic. As a result of this inquiry, Ms. Born was ultimately forced from office.

This brings us to Lawrence Summers, the former Treasury Secretary of the United States and at the time right hand man to then Treasury Security Robert Rubin. Mr. Summers was widely credited with implementation of the aggressive tactics used to remove Ms. Born from her office, tactics that multiple sources describe as showing an old world bias against women piercing the glass ceiling.

According to numerous published reports, Mr. Summers was involved in. silencing those who questioned the opaque derivative product's design. "

RC AKA Darryl, Ron -> Paine ...

TBTF on steroids, might as well CFMA - why not?

Bubbles with less TBTF and a lot less credit default swaps would have been a lot less messy going in. Without TARP, then Congress might have still had the guts for making a lesser New Deal.

EMichael -> RC AKA Darryl, Ron...

TARP was window dressing. The curtain that covered up the FED's actions.

pgl -> RGC...

Where have I heard about William Greider? Oh yea - this critique of something stupid he wrote about a Supreme Court decision:

www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/06/06/how-many-errors-can-william-greider-make-in-two-sentences-describing-lochner-v-new-york/

pgl -> RGC...

"Exotic financial instruments like derivatives and credit-default swaps flourished, enabling old-line bankers to share in the fun and profit on an awesome scale."

These would have flourished even if Glass-Steagall remained on the books. Leave it to RGC to find some critic of HRC who knows nothing about financial markets.

RGC -> pgl...

Derivatives flourished because of the other deregulation under Clinton, the CFMA. The repeal of GS helped commercial banks participate.

RGC -> pgl...

The repeal of GS helped commercial banks participate.

Fred C. Dobbs -> pgl...

Warren Buffet used to rail about how risky derivative investing is, until he realized they are *extremely* important in the re-insurance biz, which is a
big part of Berkshire Hathaway.

Peter K. said...

http://cepr.net/blogs/beat-the-press/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-and-cracking-down-on-wall-street

Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, and Cracking Down on Wall Street
by Dean Baker

Published: 12 December 2015

The New Yorker ran a rather confused piece on Gary Sernovitz, a managing director at the investment firm Lime Rock Partners, on whether Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton would be more effective in reining in Wall Street. The piece assures us that Secretary Clinton has a better understanding of Wall Street and that her plan would be more effective in cracking down on the industry. The piece is bizarre both because it essentially dismisses the concern with too big to fail banks and completely ignores Sanders' proposal for a financial transactions tax which is by far the most important mechanism for reining in the financial industry.

The piece assures us that too big to fail banks are no longer a problem, noting their drop in profitability from bubble peaks and telling readers:

"not only are Sanders's bogeybanks just one part of Wall Street but they are getting less powerful and less problematic by the year."

This argument is strange for a couple of reasons. First, the peak of the subprime bubble frenzy is hardly a good base of comparison. The real question is should we anticipate declining profits going forward. That hardly seems clear. For example, Citigroup recently reported surging profits, while Wells Fargo's third quarter profits were up 8 percent from 2014 levels.

If Sernovitz is predicting that the big banks are about to shrivel up to nothingness, the market does not agree with him. Citigroup has a market capitalization of $152 billion, JPMorgan has a market cap of $236 billion, and Bank of America has a market cap of $174 billion. Clearly investors agree with Sanders in thinking that these huge banks will have sizable profits for some time to come.

The real question on too big to fail is whether the government would sit by and let a Goldman Sachs or Citigroup go bankrupt. Perhaps some people think that it is now the case, but I've never met anyone in that group.

Sernovitz is also dismissive on Sanders call for bringing back the Glass-Steagall separation between commercial banking and investment banking. He makes the comparison to the battle over the Keystone XL pipeline, which is actually quite appropriate. The Keystone battle did take on exaggerated importance in the climate debate. There was never a zero/one proposition in which no tar sands oil would be pumped without the pipeline, while all of it would be pumped if the pipeline was constructed. Nonetheless, if the Obama administration was committed to restricting greenhouse gas emissions, it is difficult to see why it would support the building of a pipeline that would facilitate bringing some of the world's dirtiest oil to market.

In the same vein, Sernovitz is right that it is difficult to see how anything about the growth of the housing bubble and its subsequent collapse would have been very different if Glass-Steagall were still in place. And, it is possible in principle to regulate bank's risky practices without Glass-Steagall, as the Volcker rule is doing. However, enforcement tends to weaken over time under industry pressure, which is a reason why the clear lines of Glass-Steagall can be beneficial. Furthermore, as with Keystone, if we want to restrict banks' power, what is the advantage of letting them get bigger and more complex?

The repeal of Glass-Steagall was sold in large part by boasting of the potential synergies from combining investment and commercial banking under one roof. But if the operations are kept completely separate, as is supposed to be the case, where are the synergies?

But the strangest part of Sernovitz's story is that he leaves out Sanders' financial transactions tax (FTT) altogether. This is bizarre, because the FTT is essentially a hatchet blow to the waste and exorbitant salaries in the industry.

Most research shows that trading volume is very responsive to the cost of trading, with most estimates putting the elasticity close to one. This means that if trading costs rise by 50 percent, then trading volume declines by 50 percent. (In its recent analysis of FTTs, the Tax Policy Center assumed that the elasticity was 1.5, meaning that trading volume decline by 150 percent of the increase in trading costs.) The implication of this finding is that the financial industry would pay the full cost of a financial transactions tax in the form of reduced trading revenue.

The Tax Policy Center estimated that a 0.1 percent tax on stock trades, scaled with lower taxes on other assets, would raise $50 billion a year in tax revenue. The implied reduction in trading revenue was even larger. Senator Sanders has proposed a tax of 0.5 percent on equities (also with a scaled tax on other assets). This would lead to an even larger reduction in revenue for the financial industry.

It is incredible that Sernovitz would ignore a policy with such enormous consequences for the financial sector in his assessment of which candidate would be tougher on Wall Street. Sanders FTT would almost certainly do more to change behavior on Wall Street then everything that Clinton has proposed taken together by a rather large margin. It's sort of like evaluating the New England Patriots' Super Bowl prospects without discussing their quarterback.

Syaloch -> Peter K....

Great to see Baker's acknowledgement that an updated Glass-Steagall is just one component of the progressive wing's plan to rein in Wall Street, not the sum total of it. Besides, if Wall Street types don't think restoring Glass-Steagall will have any meaningful effects, why do they expend so much energy to disparage it? Methinks they doth protest too much.

Peter K. -> Syaloch...

Yes that's a good way to look it. Wall Street gave the Democrats and Clinton a lot of campaign cash so that they would dismantle Glass-Steagall. If they want it done, it's probably not a good idea.

EMichael -> Syaloch...

Slippery slope. Ya' gotta find me a business of any type that does not protest any kind of regulation on their business.

Syaloch -> EMichael...

Yeah, but usually because of all the bad things they say will happen because of the regulation. The question is, what do they think of Clinton's plan? I've heard surprisingly little about that, and what I have heard is along these lines: http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/08/investing/hillary-clinton-wall-street-plan/

"Hillary Clinton unveiled her big plan to curb the worst of Wall Street's excesses on Thursday. The reaction from the banking community was a shrug, if not relief."

pgl -> Syaloch...

Two excellent points!!!

sanjait -> Syaloch...

"Besides, if Wall Street types don't think restoring Glass-Steagall will have any meaningful effects, why do they expend so much energy to disparage it? Methinks they doth protest too much."

It has an effect of shrinking the size of a few firms, and that has a detrimental effect on the top managers of those firms, who get paid more money if they have larger firms to manage. But it has little to no meaningful effect on systemic risk.

So if your main policy goal is to shrink the compensation for a small number of powerful Wall Street managers, G-S is great. But if you actually want to accomplish something useful to the American people, like limiting systemic risk in the financial sector, then a plan like Hillary's is much much better. She explained this fairly well in her recent NYT piece.

Paine -> Peter K....

There is absolutely NO question Bernie is for real. Wall Street does not want Bernie. So they'll let Hillary talk as big as she needs to . Why should we believe her when an honest guy like Barry caved once in power

Paine -> Paine ...

Bernie has been anti Wall Street his whole career . He's on a crusade. Hillary is pulling a sham bola

Paine -> Paine ...

Perhaps too often we look at Wall Street as monolithic whether consciously or not. Obviously we know it's no monolithic: there are serious differences

When the street is riding high especially. Right now the street is probably not united but too cautious to display profound differences in public. They're sitting on their hands waiting to see how high the anti Wall Street tide runs this election cycle. Trump gives them cover and I really fear secretly Hillary gives them comfort

This all coiled change if Bernie surges. How that happens depends crucially on New Hampshire. Not Iowa

EMichael -> Paine ...

If Bernie surges and wins the nomination, we will all get to watch the death of the Progressive movement for a decade or two. Congress will become more GOP dominated, and we will have a President in office who will make Hoover look like a Socialist.

Syaloch -> EMichael...

Of course. In politics, as they say in the service, one must always choose the lesser of two evils. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4PzpxOj5Cc

pgl -> EMichael...

You should like the moderate Democrats after George McGovern ran in 1972. I'm hoping we have another 1964 with Bernie leading a united Democratic Congress.

EMichael -> pgl...

Not a chance in the world. And I like Sanders much more than anyone else. It just simply cannot, and will not, happen. He is a communist. Not to me, not to you, but to the vast majority of American voters.

pgl -> EMichael...

He is not a communist. But I agree - Hillary is winning the Democratic nomination. I have only one vote and in New York, I'm badly outnumbered.

ilsm -> Paine ...

I believe Hillary will be to liberal causes after she is elected as LBJ was to peace in Vietnam. Like Bill and Obomber.

pgl -> ilsm...

By 1968, LBJ finally realized it was time to end that stupid war. But it seems certain members in the State Department undermined his efforts in a cynical ploy to get Nixon to be President. The Republican Party has had more slime than substance of most of my life time.

pgl -> Peter K....

Gary Sernovitz, a managing director at the investment firm Lime Rock Partners? Why are we listening to this guy too. It's like letting the fox guard the hen house.

sanjait -> Peter K....

"The piece is bizarre both because it essentially dismisses the concern with too big to fail banks and completely ignores Sanders' proposal for a financial transactions tax which is by far the most important mechanism for reining in the financial industry."

This is just wrong. Is financial system risk in any way correlated with the frequency of transactions? Except for market volatility from HFT ... no. The financial crisis wasn't caused by a high volume of trades. It was caused by bad investments into highly illiquid assets. Again, great example of wanting to punish Wall Street but not bothering to think about what actually works.

Peter K. said...

Robert Reich to the Fed: this is not the time to raise rates.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1116088268403768

RGC said...

Iceland's Radical Money Plan

Iceland, too, is looking at a radical transformation of its money system, after suffering the crushing boom/bust cycle of the private banking model that bankrupted its largest banks in 2008. According to a March 2015 article in the UK Telegraph:

Iceland's government is considering a revolutionary monetary proposal – removing the power of commercial banks to create money and handing it to the central bank. The proposal, which would be a turnaround in the history of modern finance, was part of a report written by a lawmaker from the ruling centrist Progress Party, Frosti Sigurjonsson, entitled "A better monetary system for Iceland".

"The findings will be an important contribution to the upcoming discussion, here and elsewhere, on money creation and monetary policy," Prime Minister Sigmundur David Gunnlaugsson said. The report, commissioned by the premier, is aimed at putting an end to a monetary system in place through a slew of financial crises, including the latest one in 2008.

Under this "Sovereign Money" proposal, the country's central bank would become the only creator of money. Banks would continue to manage accounts and payments and would serve as intermediaries between savers and lenders. The proposal is a variant of the Chicago Plan promoted by Kumhof and Benes of the IMF and the Positive Money group in the UK.

Public Banking Initiatives in Iceland, Ireland and the UK

A major concern with stripping private banks of the power to create money as deposits when they make loans is that it will seriously reduce the availability of credit in an already sluggish economy. One solution is to make the banks, or some of them, public institutions. They would still be creating money when they made loans, but it would be as agents of the government; and the profits would be available for public use, on the model of the US Bank of North Dakota and the German Sparkassen (public savings banks).

In Ireland, three political parties – Sinn Fein, the Green Party and Renua Ireland (a new party) - are now supporting initiatives for a network of local publicly-owned banks on the Sparkassen model. In the UK, the New Economy Foundation (NEF) is proposing that the failed Royal Bank of Scotland be transformed into a network of public interest banks on that model. And in Iceland, public banking is part of the platform of a new political party called the Dawn Party.

December 11, 2015
Reinventing Banking: From Russia to Iceland to Ecuador

by Ellen Brown

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/11/reinventing-banking-from-russia-to-iceland-to-ecuador/

pgl -> RGC...

"Banks would continue to manage accounts and payments and would serve as intermediaries between savers and lenders."

OK but that means they issue bank accounts which of course we call deposits. So is this just semantics? People want checking accounts. People want savings accounts. Otherwise they would not exist. Iceland plans to do what to stop the private sector from getting what it wants?

I like the idea of public banks. Let's nationalize JPMorganChase so we don't have to listen to Jamie Dimon anymore!

sanjait -> pgl...

I don't know for sure (not bothering to search and read the referenced proposals), but I assumed the described proposal was for an end to fractional reserve banking. Banks would have to have full reserves to make loans. Or something. I could be wrong about that.

Syaloch said...

Sorry, but Your Favorite Company Can't Be Your Friend

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/13/upshot/sorry-but-your-favorite-company-cant-be-your-friend.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0

To think that an artificial person, whether corporeal or corporate, can ever be your friend requires a remarkable level of self-delusion.

A commenter on the Times site aptly quotes Marx in response:

"The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his "natural superiors", and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous "cash payment". It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervour, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom - Free Trade. In one word, for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation.

"The bourgeoisie has stripped of its halo every occupation hitherto honoured and looked up to with reverent awe. It has converted the physician, the lawyer, the priest, the poet, the man of science, into its paid wage labourers."

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch01.htm

[Dec 12, 2015] Visualizing The Worlds Hot Money

Notable quotes:
"... Goldman Sachs buzz-acronym BRICS are five of the largest exporters of hot money . It amuses me to no end how so many buy the idea that the BRICS are gonna take over the world... ..."
"... Better definitions would have black money correspond to any government/public spending, declared capital and proceeds from violent crime (i.e. money that is acquired through or enables violence) and honest money to all the undeclared savings, underground economy/trade proceeds and non-institutional drug money. ..."
"... the most of China money leaves through HK do you think HK is a dump ? ..."
"... Over the years I have written several brief explanations of how offshore havens work. The one at the link below covers the basic-basics reasonably well. http://barlowscayman.blogspot.com/2013/01/offshore-tax-havens-what-they-do.html ..."
"... once again, we see banksters and corrupt corporate sector players colluding with corrupt individuals and assorted criminals - many inside .gov itself - to move ill-gotten gains to safer places out of reach of law enforcement in their own countries. ..."
"... Banksters facilitate virtually every financial crime. ..."
Zero Hedge

Every year, roughly $1 trillion flows illegally out of developing and emerging economies due to crime, corruption, and tax evasion. This amount is more than these countries receive in foreign direct investment and foreign aid combined.

This week, a new report was released that highlights the latest data available on this "hot" money. Assembled by Global Financial Integrity, a research and advisory organization based in Washington, DC, the report details illicit financial flows of money from developing countries using the latest information available, which is up until the end of 2013.

Chart The World's Hot Money

The cumulative amount of this "hot money" coming out of developing countries totaled just over $7.8 trillion between 2004 and 2013. On an annual basis, it breached the $1 trillion mark each of the last three years of data available, which is good for a growth rate of 6.5% rate annually.

In Asia, illicit financial outflows are growing even quicker at an 8.6% clip. It's also on the continent that five of the ten largest source economies for these flows can be found, including the largest offender, which is Mainland China.

How does this "hot" money leave these countries? Global Financial Integrity has calculated that 83% of illicit financial flows are due to what it calls "trade misinvoicing".

It's defined as the following:

The misinvoicing of trade is accomplished by misstating the value or volume of an export or import on a customs invoice. Trade misinvoicing is a form of trade-based money laundering made possible by the fact that trading partners write their own trade documents, or arrange to have the documents prepared in a third country (typically a tax haven), a method known as re-invoicing. Fraudulent manipulation of the price, quantity, or quality of a good or service on an invoice allows criminals, corrupt government officials, and commercial tax evaders to shift vast amounts of money across international borders quickly, easily, and nearly always undetected.

Trade misinvoicing accounted for an average of $654.7 billion per year of lost trade in developing markets over the data set covered by the report.

Source: Visual Capitalist

38BWD22

Goldman Sachs buzz-acronym "BRICS" are five of the largest exporters of "hot money". It amuses me to no end how so many buy the idea that the BRICS are gonna take over the world...

markmotive

6 signals for an impending bear market:

http://www.planbeconomics.com/2015/12/6-signals-for-impending-bear-marke...

jefferson32

What the fuck is "illicit" money? Savings that weren't looted away?

Better definitions would have "black" money correspond to any government/public spending, declared capital and proceeds from violent crime (i.e. money that is acquired through or enables violence) and honest money to all the undeclared savings, underground economy/trade proceeds and non-institutional drug money.

avenriv

the most of China money leaves through HK do you think HK is a dump ?

did you ever leave your small town ?

38BWD22

I found Hong Kong rather nice some 20 years ago, Beijing not so much.

We just came back from India.

So, yes, I have been to four of those BRICS, and am not impressed. Sorry.

Feel free to tell me more though. Especially about your travels. ;)

BarnacleBill

As a (retired) tax-haven professional in three countries, and a former Manager of the Cayman Islands Chamber of Commerce, I must caution against the term "mis-invoicing" - with or without the hyphen...More properly, it's re-invoicing, and no more illicit than the procedure by which any trader buys goods at one price and sells them at another.

When a corporate buyer is owned by the same people as own the seller, their transaction may raise an eyebrow or two, but usually it would be permitted by the published taxation laws of all the relevant companies, as those laws are interpreted by both private-sector lawyers and the tax authorities. With transactions of that kind, it is beneficial for the owners if the tax-rates are different in the two jurisdictions. Well, of course; but that situation is always - always - allowed by the laws of those jurisdictions, whether they are developed or developing.

Over the years I have written several brief explanations of how "offshore" havens work. The one at the link below covers the basic-basics reasonably well. http://barlowscayman.blogspot.com/2013/01/offshore-tax-havens-what-they-do.html

Duc888

"Every year, roughly $1 trillion flows illegally out of developing and emerging economies due to crime, corruption, and tax evasion"

Yea, that would be banksterz, CIA and their drug running, NGO's and their child trafficking....... etc... Might want to throw a few more zero's in there too.

Bob who runs the deli down the street and pockets $500 "illicit" dollars a week is not your worry or concern you stupid fuckkkerz.


zeroboris

The Russian central bank every year publishes a report of how many billions of dollars have stolen from our economy, and... does nothing, nothing at all to stop this.

smacker

There are good arguments to say that what people do with their own money is nothing to do with .gov.

But once again, we see banksters and corrupt corporate sector players colluding with corrupt individuals and assorted criminals - many inside .gov itself - to move ill-gotten gains to safer places out of reach of law enforcement in their own countries.

Banksters facilitate virtually every financial crime.

[Dec 11, 2015] Why Its Tricky for Fed Officials to Talk Politically

"There is no reason for central banks to have the kind of independence that judicial institutions have. Justice may be blind and above politics, but money and banking are not." Economic and politics are like Siamese twins (which actually . If somebody trying to separate them it is a clear sign that the guy is either neoliberal propagandists or outright crook.
Notable quotes:
"... I think FED chairman is the second most powerful political position in the USA after the POTUS. Or may be in some respects it is even the first ;-) So it is quintessentially high-power political position masked with the smokescreen of purely economic (like many other things are camouflaged under neoliberalism.) ..."
"... I think that is a hidden principle behind attacks on FED chair. A neoliberal principle that the state should not intrude into economics and limit itself to the police, security, defense, law enforcement and few other related to this functions. So their point that she overextended her mandate is an objection based on principle. Which can be violated only if it is used to uphold neoliberalism, as Greenspan did during his career many times. ..."
"... This kind of debate seems to be a by-product of the contemporary obsession with having an independent central bank, run according to the fantasy that there is such a thing as a neutral or apolitical way to conduct monetary policy. ..."
"... A number of commenters and authors have recently pointed out that inequality may not just be an unrelated phenomenon to monetary policy, but actually, in part at least, a byproduct of it. ..."
"... The theory is that the Fed in the Great Moderation age has been so keen to stave off even the possibility of inflation that it chokes down the vigor of recoveries before they get to the part where median wages start rising quickly. The result is that wages get ratcheted down with the economic cycle, falling during recessions and never fully recovering during the recoveries. ..."
"... Two Things: (i) The Fed should be open and honest about monetary policy. No one wants to return to the Greenspan days. (ii) Brad Delong is a neoliberal hack. ..."
"... As to why risk a political backlash in the piece, the short answer is: to invoke the debate on whether politics or fact (science) is going to dominate. Because they can't both. See: Romer. Let's have this out once and for all. ..."
Dec 11, 2015 | Economist's View
anne said...
Fine column, with which I agree. Federal Reserve policy as such is difficult and contentious enough to avoid wandering to social-economic analysis or philosophy from aspects of the Fed mandate.

As for the use of the word "hack" in referring to Janet Yellen, that needlessly insulting use was by a Washington Post editor and not by columnist Michael Strain.

anne -> RW (the other)...

As Brad notes, many Fed Chairs before Yellen have opined on matters outside monetary policy so why is Yellen subject to a different standard?

[ Fine, I have reconsidered and agree. No matter how the headline was written, the headline was meant to be intimidating and was willfully mean and that could and should have been made clear immediately by the writer of the column. ]

likbez -> anne...

"Federal Reserve policy as such is difficult and contentious enough to avoid wandering to social-economic analysis or philosophy from aspects of the Fed mandate."

Anne,

I think FED chairman is the second most powerful political position in the USA after the POTUS. Or may be in some respects it is even the first ;-) So it is quintessentially high-power political position masked with the smokescreen of "purely economic" (like many other things are camouflaged under neoliberalism.)

That's why Greenspan got it, while being despised by his Wall-Street colleagues...

He got it because he was perfect for promoting deregulation political agenda from the position of FED chair.

pgl -> likbez...

Greenspan was despised on Wall Street? Wow as he tried so hard to serve their interests. I guess the Wall Street crowd is never happy no matter how much income we feed these blow hards.

anne -> likbez...

So it is quintessentially high-power political position masked with the smokescreen of "purely economic" (like many other things are camouflaged under neoliberalism.)

[ I understand, and am convinced. ]

Peter K. said...

I respectfully disagree. Republicans are always working the refs and despite what the writer from AEI said, they're okay with conservative Fed chairs talking politics. They have double standards.

Greenspan testified to Congress on behalf of Bush's tax cuts for the rich. Something about how since Clinton balanced the budget, the financial markets had too little safe debt to work with. (maybe that's why they dove into mortgaged-backed securities). But tax cuts versus more government spending? He and Rubin advised Clinton to drop his middle class spending bill and trade deficit reduction for lower interest rates. That's economics which have political outcomes.

So if the rightwing is going to work the the refs, so should the left. We shouldn't unilaterally disarm over fears Congress will gun for the Fed. There should be more groups like Fed Up protesting.

The good thing about Yellen's speech is that it's a signal to progressives that inequality is problem for her even as she is raising rates in a political dance with hawks and Congress.

The Fed is constantly accused of increasing inequality so it's good Yellen is saying she thinks it's a bad thing and not American.

Bernie Sanders is right that for change to happen we'll need more political involvement from regular citizens. We'll need a popular movement with many leaders.

The Fed should be square in the sights of a progressive movement. A high-pressured economy with full employment should be a top priority.

Instead I saw Nancy Pelosi being interviewed by Al Hunt on Charlie Rose the other night. Hunt asked her about Yellen raising rates.

Pelosi said no comment as she wasn't looking at the data Yellen was and didn't want to interfere. The Fed should be independent, etc. Perhaps like Thoma she has the best of motives and doesn't want to motivate the Republicans to go after the Fed and oppose what she wants.

Still I felt the Democratic leadership should be committed to a high-pressure economy. Her staff should know what Krugman, Summers etc are saying. What the IMF and World Bank are sayings.

She should have said "they shouldn't raise rates until they see the whites of inflation's eyes" as Krugman memorably put it. She should have said that emphatically.

We need a Democratic Party like that.

Instead Peter Diamond is blocked from becoming a Fed governor by Republicans and Pelosi is afraid to comment on monetary policy.

Peter K. -> Peter K....

A longer reply from DeLong:

http://www.bradford-delong.com/2015/12/must-read-i-would-beg-the-highly-esteemed-mark-thoma-to-draw-a-distinction-here-between-inappropriate-and-unwise-in-m.html

Must-Read: I would beg the highly-esteemed Mark Thoma to draw a distinction here between "inappropriate" and unwise. In my view, it is not at all inappropriate for Fed Chair Janet Yellen to express her concern about excessive inequality. Previous Fed Chairs, after all, have expressed their liking for inequality as an essential engine of economic growth over and over again over the past half century--with exactly zero critical snarking from the American Enterprise Institute for trespassing beyond the boundaries of their role.

But that it is not inappropriate for Janet Yellen to do so does not mean that it is wise. Mark's argument is, I think, that given the current political situation it is unwise for Janet to further incite the ire of the nutboys in the way that even the mildest expression of concern about rising inequality will do.

That may or may not be true. I think it is not.

But I do not think that bears on my point that Michael R. Strain's arguments that Janet Yellen's speech on inequality was inappropriate are void, wrong, erroneous, inattentive to precedent, shoddy, expired, expired, gone to meet their maker, bereft of life, resting in peace, pushing up the daisies, kicked the bucket, shuffled off their mortal coil, run down the curtain, and joined the bleeding choir invisible:

Mark Thoma: Why It's Tricky for Fed Officials to Talk Politically: "I think I disagree with Brad DeLong...

pgl -> Peter K....

"my point that Michael R. Strain's arguments that Janet Yellen's speech on inequality was inappropriate are void, wrong, erroneous..."

DeLong is exactly right here. Strain's argument has its own share of partisan lies whereas Yellen is telling the truth. Brad will not be intimidated by this AEI weasel.

sanjait said...

Why would Yellen not talk about inequality? It's an important macroeconomic topic and one that is relevant for her job. It's both an input and an output variable that is related to monetary policy.

And, arguably I think, median wage growth should be regarded as a policy goal for the Fed, related to its explicit mandate of "maximum employment."

But even if you think inequality is unrelated to the Fed's policy goals, that doesn't stop them from talking about other topics. Do people accuse the Fed of playing politics when they talk about desiring reduced financial market volatility? That has little to do with growth, employment and general price stability.

likbez -> sanjait...

I think that is a hidden principle behind attacks on FED chair. A neoliberal principle that the state should not intrude into economics and limit itself to the police, security, defense, law enforcement and few other related to this functions. So their point that she overextended her mandate is an objection based on principle. Which can be violated only if it is used to uphold neoliberalism, as Greenspan did during his career many times.

Sandwichman said...

I think I disagree with Mark Thoma's disagreement with Brad DeLong. Actually, ALL economic discourse is political and efforts to restrain the politics are inevitably efforts to keep the politics one-sided

Dan Kervick said...

This kind of debate seems to be a by-product of the contemporary obsession with having an "independent" central bank, run according to the fantasy that there is such a thing as a neutral or apolitical way to conduct monetary policy.

But there really isn't. Different kinds of social, economic and political values and policy agendas are going to call for different kinds monetary and credit policies. It might be better for our political health if the Fed were administratively re-located as an executive branch agency that is in turn part of a broader Department of Money and Banking - no different from the Departments of Agriculture, Labor, Education, etc. In that case everybody would then view Fed governors as ordinary executive branch appointees who report to the President, and whose policies are naturally an extension of the administration's broader agenda. Then if people don't like the monetary policies that are carried out, that would be one factor in their decision about whom to vote for.

There is no reason for central banks to have the kind of independence that judicial institutions have. Justice may be blind and above politics, but money and banking are not. Decisions in that latter area should be no more politics-free than decisions about taxing and spending. If we fold the central bank more completely into the regular processes of representative government, then if a candidate wants to run on a platform of keeping interest rates low, small business credit easy, bank profits small, etc., they could do so without all of the doubletalk about the protecting the independence of the sacrosanct bankers' temple.

We could also then avoid unproductive wheel-spinning about that impossibly vague and hedged Fed mandate that can be stretched to mean almost anything people want it to mean. The Fed's mandate under the political solution would just be whatever monetary policy the President ran on.

likbez -> Dan Kervick...

"The Fed's mandate under the political solution would just be whatever monetary policy the President ran on"

Perfect !

Actually sanjait in his post made a good point why this illusive goal is desirable (providing "electoral advantage") although Greenspan probably violated this rule. A couple of hikes of interest rates from now till election probably will doom Democrats.

Also the idea of FEB independence went into overdrive since 80th not accidentally. It has its value in enhancing the level of deregulation.

Among other things it helps to protect large financial institutions from outright nationalization in cases like 2008.

Does somebody in this forum really think that Bernanke has an option of putting a couple of Wall-Street most violent and destructive behemoths into receivership (in other words nationalize them) in 2008 without Congress approval ?

Dan Kervick -> Sanjait ...

Sanjait, with due respect, you are not really responding to the reform proposal, but only affirming the differences between that proposal and the current system.

Yes, of course fiscal policy is "constrained" by Congress. Indeed, it is not just constrained by Congress but actually made by Congress, subject only to an overridable executive branch veto. The executive branch is responsible primarily for carrying out the legislature's fiscal directives. That's the point. In a democratic system decisions about all forms of taxation and government spending are supposed to be made by the elected legislative branch, and then executed by agencies of the executive branch. My proposal is that monetary policy should be handled in the same way: by the elected political branches of the government.

You point out that under current arrangements, central banks can, if they choose, effect large monetary offsets to fiscal policy (or at least to some of the aggregate macroeconomic effects of those policies). I don't understand why any non-elected and politically unaccountable branch of our government should have the power to offset the policies of the elected branches in this way. Fiscal and monetary policy need to be yoked together to achieve policy ends effectively. Those policy ends should be the ones people vote for, not the ones a handful of men and women happen to think are appropriate.

JF -> Dan Kervick...

"In a democratic system" is what you wrote.

It is more proper to refer to it as republicanism. The separation of powers doctrine, underlying the US constitution, is a reflection of James Madison's characterization in the 51st The Federalist Paper, and it is a US-defined republicanism that is almost unique:

"the republican form, wherein the legislative authority necessarily predominates."

- or something like that is the quote.

In the US framers' view, at least those who constructed the re-write in 1787 and were the leaders - I'd say the most important word in Madison's explanation is the word "necessarily" - this philosophy has all law and policy stemming from the public, it presumes that you can't have stability and dynamic change of benefit to society without this.

Arguably, aristocracies, fascists, totalitarians, and all the other isms, just don't see it that way, they see things as top-down ordering of society.

The mythology of the monetary theorizing and the notions about a central bank being independently delphic has some of this top-down ordering view to it (austerianism, comes to mind). Well, I don't believe in a religious sense that this is how it should be, nor do you it seems.

It will be an interesting Congress in 2017 when new legislative authorities are enacted to establish clearer framing of the ministerial duties now held by the FRB.

Are FED officials scared that this will happen, and as a result they circle the wagons with their associates in the financial community now to fend off the public????

I hope this is not true. They can allay their own fears by leading not back toward 1907, in my opinion.

Of course, I could say where I'd like economic policies to go, and do here often, but this thread is about Yellin and other FED officials.

I recognize that FRB officials can say things too, and should, as leaders of this nation (with a whole lot of research power and evidence available to them their commentary on political economics should have merit and be influential).

Thanks for continuing to remind people that we govern ourselves in the US in a US-defined republican-form. But I think the people still respect and listen to leadership - so speak out FED officials.

JF -> Dan Kervick...

But Dan K, then you'd de-mythologize an entire wing of macroeconomics in a wing referred to as monetary theory based on a separate Central Bank, or some non-political theory of money.

Don't mind the theory as it is an analytic framework that questions and sometimes informs - but it is good to step back and realize some of the religious-like framing.

It is political-economy.

Peter K. -> pgl...

Yellen really lays it out in her speech.

"The extent of and continuing increase in inequality in the United States greatly concern me. The past several decades have seen the most sustained rise in inequality since the 19th century after more than 40 years of narrowing inequality following the Great Depression. By some estimates, income and wealth inequality are near their highest levels in the past hundred years, much higher than the average during that time span and probably higher than for much of American history before then.2 It is no secret that the past few decades of widening inequality can be summed up as significant income and wealth gains for those at the very top and stagnant living standards for the majority. I think it is appropriate to ask whether this trend is compatible with values rooted in our nation's history, among them the high value Americans have traditionally placed on equality of opportunity."

And even links to Piketty in footnote 42.

"Along with other economic advantages, it is likely that large inheritances play a role in the fairly limited intergenerational mobility that I described earlier.42"

42. This topic is discussed extensively in Thomas Piketty (2014), Capital in the 21st Century, trans. Arthur Goldhammer (Cambridge, Mass.: Belknap Press). Return to text

Sanjait said...

A number of commenters and authors have recently pointed out that inequality may not just be an unrelated phenomenon to monetary policy, but actually, in part at least, a byproduct of it.

The theory is that the Fed in the Great Moderation age has been so keen to stave off even the possibility of inflation that it chokes down the vigor of recoveries before they get to the part where median wages start rising quickly. The result is that wages get ratcheted down with the economic cycle, falling during recessions and never fully recovering during the recoveries.

Do I believe this theory? Increasingly, yes I do. And seeing the Fed right now decide to raise rates, citing accelerating wage growth as one of the main reasons, has reinforced my belief.

A Boy Named Sue said...

Two Things: (i) The Fed should be open and honest about monetary policy. No one wants to return to the Greenspan days. (ii) Brad Delong is a neoliberal hack.

A Boy Named Sue -> A Boy Named Sue...

I do admit, Delong is my favorite conservative economist. He is witty and educational, unlike most RW hacks.

Jeff said...

As to "why risk a political backlash" in the piece, the short answer is: to invoke the debate on whether politics or fact (science) is going to dominate. Because they can't both. See: Romer. Let's have this out once and for all.

[Dec 10, 2015] Special Report Buybacks enrich the bosses even when business sags

Notable quotes:
"... Most publicly traded U.S. companies reward top managers for hitting performance targets, meant to tie the interests of managers and shareholders together. At many big companies, those interests are deemed to be best aligned by linking executive performance to earnings per share, along with measures derived from the company's stock price. ..."
"... But these metrics may not be solely a reflection of a company's operating performance. They can be, and often are, influenced through stock repurchases. In addition to cutting the number of a company's shares outstanding, and thus lifting EPS, buybacks also increase demand for the shares, usually providing a lift to the share price, which affects other performance markers. ..."
"... Pay for performance as it is often structured creates "very troublesome, problematic incentives that can potentially drive very short-term thinking." ..."
"... As reported in the first article in this series, share buybacks by U.S. non-financial companies reached a record $520 billion in the most recent reporting year. A Reuters analysis of 3,300 non-financial companies found that together, buybacks and dividends have surpassed total capital expenditures and are more than double research and development spending. ..."
"... "There's been an over-focus on buybacks and raising EPS to hit share option targets, and we know that those are concentrated in the hands of the few, and that the few is in the top 1 percent," said James Montier, a member of the asset allocation team at global investment firm GMO in London, which manages more than $100 billion in assets. ..."
"... The introduction of performance targets has been a driver of surging executive pay, helping to widen the gap between the richest in America and the rest of the country. Median CEO pay among companies in the S P 500 increased to a record $10.3 million last year, up from $8.6 million in 2010, according to data firm Equilar. ..."
"... At those levels, CEOs last year were paid 303 times what workers in their industries earned, compared with a ratio of 59 times in 1989, according to the Economic Policy Institute, a Washington-based nonprofit. ..."
finance.yahoo.com

NEW YORK(Reuters) - When health insurer Humana Inc reported worse-than-expected quarterly earnings in late 2014 – including a 21 percent drop in net income – it softened the blow by immediately telling investors it would make a $500 million share repurchase.

In addition to soothing shareholders, the surprise buyback benefited the company's senior executives. It added around two cents to the company's annual earnings per share, allowing Humana to surpass its $7.50 EPS target by a single cent and unlocking higher pay for top managers under terms of the company's compensation agreement.

Thanks to Humana hitting that target, Chief Executive Officer Bruce Broussard earned a $1.68 million bonus for 2014.

Most publicly traded U.S. companies reward top managers for hitting performance targets, meant to tie the interests of managers and shareholders together. At many big companies, those interests are deemed to be best aligned by linking executive performance to earnings per share, along with measures derived from the company's stock price.

But these metrics may not be solely a reflection of a company's operating performance. They can be, and often are, influenced through stock repurchases. In addition to cutting the number of a company's shares outstanding, and thus lifting EPS, buybacks also increase demand for the shares, usually providing a lift to the share price, which affects other performance markers.

As corporate America engages in an unprecedented buyback binge, soaring CEO pay tied to short-term performance measures like EPS is prompting criticism that executives are using stock repurchases to enrich themselves at the expense of long-term corporate health, capital investment and employment.

"We've accepted a definition of performance that is narrow and quite possibly inappropriate," said Rosanna Landis Weaver, program manager of the executive compensation initiative at As You Sow, a Washington, D.C., nonprofit that promotes corporate responsibility. Pay for performance as it is often structured creates "very troublesome, problematic incentives that can potentially drive very short-term thinking."

A Reuters analysis of the companies in the Standard & Poor's 500 Index found that 255 of those companies reward executives in part by using EPS, while another 28 use other per-share metrics that can be influenced by share buybacks.

In addition, 303 also use total shareholder return, essentially a company's share price appreciation plus dividends, and 169 companies use both EPS and total shareholder return to help determine pay.

STANDARD PRACTICE

EPS and share-price metrics underpin much of the compensation of some of the highest-paid CEOs, including those at Walt Disney Co, Viacom Inc, 21st Century Fox Inc, Target Corp and Cisco Systems Inc.

... ... ...

As reported in the first article in this series, share buybacks by U.S. non-financial companies reached a record $520 billion in the most recent reporting year. A Reuters analysis of 3,300 non-financial companies found that together, buybacks and dividends have surpassed total capital expenditures and are more than double research and development spending.

Companies buy back their shares for various reasons. They do it when they believe their shares are undervalued, or to make use of cash or cheap debt financing when business conditions don't justify capital or R&D spending. They also do it to meet the expectations of increasingly demanding investors.

Lately, the sheer volume of buybacks has prompted complaints among academics, politicians and investors that massive stock repurchases are stifling innovation and hurting U.S. competitiveness - and contributing to widening income inequality by rewarding executives with ever higher pay, often divorced from a company's underlying performance.

"There's been an over-focus on buybacks and raising EPS to hit share option targets, and we know that those are concentrated in the hands of the few, and that the few is in the top 1 percent," said James Montier, a member of the asset allocation team at global investment firm GMO in London, which manages more than $100 billion in assets.

The introduction of performance targets has been a driver of surging executive pay, helping to widen the gap between the richest in America and the rest of the country. Median CEO pay among companies in the S&P 500 increased to a record $10.3 million last year, up from $8.6 million in 2010, according to data firm Equilar.

At those levels, CEOs last year were paid 303 times what workers in their industries earned, compared with a ratio of 59 times in 1989, according to the Economic Policy Institute, a Washington-based nonprofit.

SALARY AND A LOT MORE

Today, the bulk of CEO compensation comes from cash and stock awards, much of it tied to performance metrics. Last year, base salary accounted for just 8 percent of CEO pay for S&P 500 companies, while cash and stock incentives made up more than 45 percent, according to proxy advisory firm Institutional Shareholder Services.

...In 1992, Congress changed the tax code to curb rising executive pay and encourage performance-based compensation. It didn't work. Instead, the shift is widely blamed for soaring executive pay and a heavier emphasis on short-term results.

Companies started tying performance pay to "short-term metrics, and suddenly all the things we don't want to happen start happening," said Lynn Stout, a professor of corporate and business law at Cornell Law School in Ithaca, New York. "Despite 20 years of trying, we have still failed to come up with an objective performance metric that can't be gamed."

Shareholder expectations have changed, too. The individuals and other smaller, mostly passive investors who dominated equity markets during the postwar decades have given way to large institutional investors. These institutions tend to want higher returns, sooner, than their predecessors. Consider that the average time investors held a particular share has fallen from around eight years in 1960 to a year and a half now, according to New York Stock Exchange data.

"TOO EASY TO MANIPULATE"

Companies like to use EPS as a performance metric because it is the primary focus of financial analysts when assessing the value of a stock and of investors when evaluating their return on investment.

But "it is not an appropriate target, it's too easy to manipulate," said Almeida, the University of Illinois finance professor.

...By providing a lift to a stock's price, buybacks can increase total shareholder return to target levels, resulting in more stock awards for executives. And of course, the higher stock price lifts the value of company stock they already own.

"It can goose the price at time when the high price means they earn performance shares … even if the stock price later goes back down, they got their shares," said Michael Dorff, a law professor at the Southwestern Law School in Los Angeles.

Exxon Corp, the largest repurchaser of shares over the past decade, has rejected shareholder proposals that it add three-year targets based on shareholder return to its compensation program. In its most recent proxy, the energy company said doing so could increase risk-taking and encourage underinvestment to achieve short-term results.

The energy giant makes half of its annual executive bonus payments contingent on meeting longer-term EPS thresholds. Since 2005, the company has spent more than $200 billion on buybacks.

ADDITIONAL TWEAKS

While performance targets are specific, they aren't necessarily fixed. Corporate boards often adjust them or how they are calculated in ways that lift executive pay.

[Dec 08, 2015] Nepotism and corruption on high levels of US government

Notable quotes:
"... As Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. aims to curb corruption in Ukraine, his son, Hunter, sits on the board of a Ukrainian company that the American ambassador has accused of having illicit assets. ..."
"... What is he, sort of a wayward, neer-do-well playboy type? Not really. Hes a graduate of Yale Law School and a former senior vice-president at MBNA America Bank. Good for him. During the Clinton administration he worked in the US Department of Commerce. Hes presently a partner in an investment firm. And counsel for a national law firm. And an adjunct professor at Georgetown University. I get it: he likes to keep busy. He has even found the time to join the board of a gas company called Burisma Holdings Ltd. Never heard of it. Perhaps thats because its a Ukrainian gas company; Ukraines largest private gas producer, in fact. Hes taking charge of the companys legal unit. Isnt that a bit fishy? Why do you say that? Because hes the vice-presidents son! Thats a coincidence. This is totally based on merit, said Burismas chairman, Alan Apter. ..."
"... Who? Devon Archer, who works with Hunter Biden at Rosemont Seneca partners, which is half owned by Rosemont Capital, a private equity firm founded by Archer and Christopher Heinz. ..."
"... Who? Christopher Heinz … John Kerrys stepson. ..."
"... I think Putins propaganda people can take a long weekend; their work is being done for them. ..."
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anne said... Tuesday, December 08, 2015 at 10:30 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/09/world/europe/corruption-ukraine-joe-biden-son-hunter-biden-ties.html

December 8, 2015

Biden, His Son and the Case Against a Ukrainian Oligarch
By JAMES RISEN

As Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. aims to curb corruption in Ukraine, his son, Hunter, sits on the board of a Ukrainian company that the American ambassador has accused of having "illicit assets."

anne said in reply to anne...
http://www.theguardian.com/business/shortcuts/2014/may/14/hunter-biden-job-board-ukraine-biggest-gas-producer-burisma

May 14, 2014

Why shouldn't Hunter Biden join the board of a gas company in Ukraine?
The son of the US vice-president has been chosen to take charge of energy firm Burisma's legal unit – a decision based purely on merit, of course.

Name: Hunter Biden.

Age: 44.

Appearance: Chip off the old block.

His names rings a bell. Is he related to someone famous? He's the son of Joe Biden, the US vice president.

What is he, sort of a wayward, ne'er-do-well playboy type? Not really. He's a graduate of Yale Law School and a former senior vice-president at MBNA America Bank. Good for him. During the Clinton administration he worked in the US Department of Commerce. He's presently a partner in an investment firm. And counsel for a national law firm. And an adjunct professor at Georgetown University. I get it: he likes to keep busy. He has even found the time to join the board of a gas company called Burisma Holdings Ltd. Never heard of it. Perhaps that's because it's a Ukrainian gas company; Ukraine's largest private gas producer, in fact. He's taking charge of the company's legal unit. Isn't that a bit fishy? Why do you say that? Because he's the vice-president's son! That's a coincidence. "This is totally based on merit," said Burisma's chairman, Alan Apter.

He doesn't sound very Ukrainian. He's American, as is the other new board member, Devon Archer.

Who? Devon Archer, who works with Hunter Biden at Rosemont Seneca partners, which is half owned by Rosemont Capital, a private equity firm founded by Archer and Christopher Heinz.

Who? Christopher Heinz … John Kerry's stepson.

I think Putin's propaganda people can take a long weekend; their work is being done for them. What do you mean?

Hasn't Joe Biden pledged to help Ukraine become more energy independent in the wake of its troubles with Russia? Well, yes.

And isn't Burisma, as a domestic producer, well positioned to profit from rising gas prices caused by the conflict? Possibly, but Hunter Biden is a salaried board member, not an investor. According to anonymous sources in the Wall Street Journal, neither Rosemont Seneca nor Rosemont Capital has made any financial investment in Burisma.

So it's not fishy at all? No one's saying that.

Do say: "Somebody needs to get involved in Ukraine's corporate governance, and it might as well be a clutch of rich, well-connected American dudes with weird first names."

Don't say: "Thanks, Dad."

-- Guardian

[Dec 08, 2015] The importance of the global financial cycle in creating boom and bust cycles in emerging markets

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Syaloch -> sanjait..., December 08, 2015 at 08:31 AM

Meta-criticism of reports in this case is neither here nor there, since it's possible to track down the original sources.

The Times summary of Ms. Rey's Jackson Hole paper is accurate; in it she does discuss the importance of the global financial cycle in creating boom and bust cycles in emerging markets. (This isn't news to anyone who's followed Krugman's writings on global financial crises over the years.)

http://www.kansascityfed.org/publicat/sympos/2013/2013Rey.pdf

When Yellen announced that the Fed would not raise rates in September, she did cite "heightened uncertainties abroad" as a factor. While I cannot find her mentioning China specifically, a lot of the discussion in financial sources prior to the announcement cite the Chinese devaluation as an important factor leading to Yellen's decision.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/18/business/economy/fed-leaves-interest-rates-unchanged.html

As for economists warning that a rate increase combined with uncertain exchange rates in China and other countries would weaken global growth, that was most likely a reference to the IMF's World Economic Outlook report, which does indeed make this argument.

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/survey/so/2015/RES100615A.htm

[Dec 07, 2015] The key prerequisite of casino capitalism is corruption of regulators

Economist's View

likbez said...

When capital became unable of reaping large and fairly secure profits from manufacturing it like water tries to find other ways. It starts with semi-criminalizing finance -- that's the origin of the term "casino capitalism" (aka neoliberalism). I see casino capitalism as a set of semi-criminal ways of maintaining the rate of profits.

The key prerequisite here is corruption of regulators. So laws on the book does not matter much if regulators do not enforce them.

As Joseph Schumpeter noted, capitalism is not a steady-state system. It is unstable system in which population constantly experience and then try to overcome one crisis after another. Joseph Schumpeter naively assumed that the net result is reimaging itself via so called "creative destruction". But what we observe now it "uncreative destruction". In other words casino capitalism is devouring the host, the US society.

So all those Hillary statements are for plebs consumption only (another attempt to play "change we can believe in" trick). Just a hot air designed to get elected. Both Clintons are in the pocket of financial oligarchy and will never be able to get out of it alive.

GeorgeK said...

I believe I'm the only one on this blog that has actually traded bonds, done swaps and hedged bank portfolios with futures contracts. Sooo I kinda know something about this topic.

Hilary is a fraud; her daughter worked at a Hedge fund where she met her husband Marc Mezvinsky, who is now a money manager at the Eaglevale fund. Oddly many of the Eaglevale investors are investors in the Clinton Foundation and have also given money to Hilary's campaign. The Clinton Foundation gets boat loads of money from Hedge funds and will not raise taxes on such a rich source of funding.

The grooms mother is Marjory Margolies (ex)Mezvinsky, she cast the final vote giving Clinton the winning vote to raise taxes. She subsequently lost her run for reelection to congress, then her husband was convicted of fraud and they divorced.

This speech is an attempt to pry people away from Bernie, it won't work with primary voters but might with what's left of rational Republicans in the general election.

[Dec 07, 2015] Hillary Clinton How I'd Rein In Wall Street

Economist's View

likbez said...

When capital became unable of reaping large and fairly secure profits from manufacturing it like water tries to find other ways. It starts with semi-criminalizing finance -- that's the origin of the term "casino capitalism" (aka neoliberalism). I see casino capitalism as a set of semi-criminal ways of maintaining the rate of profits.

The key prerequisite here is corruption of regulators. So laws on the book does not matter much if regulators do not enforce them.

As Joseph Schumpeter noted, capitalism is not a steady-state system. It is unstable system in which population constantly experience and then try to overcome one crisis after another. Joseph Schumpeter naively assumed that the net result is reimaging itself via so called "creative destruction". But what we observe now it "uncreative destruction". In other words casino capitalism is devouring the host, the US society.

So all those Hillary statements are for plebs consumption only (another attempt to play "change we can believe in" trick). Just a hot air designed to get elected. Both Clintons are in the pocket of financial oligarchy and will never be able to get out of it alive.

GeorgeK said...

I believe I'm the only one on this blog that has actually traded bonds, done swaps and hedged bank portfolios with futures contracts. Sooo I kinda know something about this topic.

Hilary is a fraud; her daughter worked at a Hedge fund where she met her husband Marc Mezvinsky, who is now a money manager at the Eaglevale fund. Oddly many of the Eaglevale investors are investors in the Clinton Foundation and have also given money to Hilary's campaign. The Clinton Foundation gets boat loads of money from Hedge funds and will not raise taxes on such a rich source of funding.

The grooms mother is Marjory Margolies (ex)Mezvinsky, she cast the final vote giving Clinton the winning vote to raise taxes. She subsequently lost her run for reelection to congress, then her husband was convicted of fraud and they divorced.

This speech is an attempt to pry people away from Bernie, it won't work with primary voters but might with what's left of rational Republicans in the general election.

[Dec 04, 2015] German Financialization and the Eurozone Crisis

Notable quotes:
"... Bundenstalt für Finanzdienstleistungsaufsicht ..."
naked capitalism
Many studies of the Eurozone crisis focus on peripheral European states' current account deficits, or German neo-mercantilist policies that promoted export surpluses. However, German financialization and input on the eurozone's financial architecture promoted deficits, increased systemic risk, and facilitated the onset of Europe's subsequent crises.

Increasing German financial sector competition encouraged German banks' increasing securitization and participation in global capital markets. Regional liberalization created new marketplaces for German finance and increased crisis risk as current accounts diverged between Europe's core and periphery. After the global financial crisis of 2008, German losses on international securitized assets prompted retrenchment of lending, paving the way for the eurozone's sovereign debt crisis. Rethinking how financial liberalization facilitated German and European financial crises may prevent the eurozone from repeating these performances in the future.

After the 1970s, German banks' trading activity came to surpass lending as the largest share of assets, while German firms increasingly borrowed in international capital markets rather than from domestic banks. Private banks alleged that political subsidies and higher credit ratings for Landesbanks, public banks that insured household, small enterprise, and local banks' access to capital, were unfair, and, in response, German lawmakers eliminated state guarantees for public banks. Landesbanks, despite their historic role as stable, non-profit, providers of credit, consequently had to compete with Germany's largest private banks for business. Changes in competition restructured the German financial system. Mergers and takeovers occurred, especially in commercial banks and Landesbanks. German financial intermediation ratios-total financial assets of financial corporations divided by the total financial assets of the economy-increased. Greater securitization and shadow banking relative to long-term lending increased German propensity for financial crisis, as securities, shares, and securitized debt constituted increasing percentages of German banks' assets and liabilities.

Throughout this period, Germany lacked a centralized financial regulatory apparatus. Only in 2002 did the country's central bank, the Bundesbank, establish the Bundenstalt für Finanzdienstleistungsaufsicht (Federal Financial Supervisory Authority, known as BaFin), which consolidated the responsibilities of three agencies to oversee the whole financial sector. However, neither institution could keep pace with new sources of financial and economic instability. German banking changes continued apace and destabilizing trends in banking grew.

German desire for financial liberalization at the European level, meanwhile, helped increase potential systemic risk of European finance. Despite some European opposition to removing barriers to capital and trade flows, Germany prevailed in setting these preconditions for membership in the European economic union. Germany's negotiating power stemmed from its strong currency, as well as French, Italian, and smaller European economies' desire for currency stability. Germany demanded an independent central bank for the union, removal of capital controls, and an expansion of the tasks banks could perform within the Economic and Monetary Union (EMU). The Second Banking Coordination Directive (SBCD) mandated that banks perform commercial and investment intermediation to be certified within the EMU; the Single Market Passport (SMP) required free trade and capital flows throughout the EMU. The SMP and SBCD increased the scope of activity that financial institutions throughout the union were expected to provide, and opened banks up to markets, instruments, and activities they could neither monitor nor regulate, and hence to destabilizing shocks.

Intra-EMU lending and borrowing subsequently increased, and total lending and borrowing grew relative to European countries' GDP from the early 1990s onward. Asymmetries emerged in capital flows between Europe's core, particularly the UK, Germany, and the Netherlands, to Europe's newly liberalized periphery. German banks lent increasing volumes to EMU member states, especially peripheral states. Though this lending on a country-by-country basis was a small percentage of Germany's GDP, it constituted larger percentages of borrowers' GDPs. In 2007, Germany lent 1.23% of its GDP to Portugal; this represented 17.68% of Portugal's GDP; in 2008, Germany lent 6% of its GDP to Ireland; this was 84% of Irish GDP. Germany, the largest European economy, lent larger percentages of its GDP to peripheral EMU nations relative to its lending to richer European economies. These flows, more potentially disruptive for borrowers than for the lender, reflected lack of oversight in asset management. German lending helped destabilize European financial systems more vulnerable to rapid capital inflows, and created conditions for large-scale capital flight in a crisis.

Financial competition increased in Europe over this period. Financial merger activity first accelerated within national borders, and later grew at supra-national levels. These movements increased eurozone access to capital, but increased pressure for banks to widen the scope of the services and lending that they provided. Rising European securitization in this period increased systemic risk for the EMU financial system. European holdings of U.S.-originated asset-backed securities increased by billions of dollars from the early 2000s until shortly before 2008. German banks were among the EMU's top issuers and acquirers of such assets. As banks' holdings of these assets increased, European systemic risk increased as well.

European total debt as a percentage of GDP rose in this period. Financial debt relative to GDP grew particularly sharply in core economies; Ireland was the only peripheral EMU economy with comparable levels of financial debt. Though government debt relative to GDP fell or held constant for most EMU nations, cross-border acquisition of sovereign debt increased until 2007. German banks acquired substantially larger portfolios of sovereign debt issued by other European states, which would not decrease until 2010. Only in 2009 did government debt relative to GDP increase throughout the eurozone, as governments guaranteed their financial systems to minimize the costs of the ensuing financial crisis.

The newly liberalized financial architecture of the eurozone increased both the market for German financial services and overall systemic risk of the European financial system; these dynamics helped destabilize the German financial system and economy at large. Rising German exports of goods, services, and capital to the rest of Europe grew the German economy, but divergence of current account balances within the EMU exposed it to sovereign debt risk in peripheral states. Potential systemic risk changed into systemic risk after the subprime mortgage crisis began. EMU economies would not have subsequently experienced such pressure to backstop national financial systems or to repay sovereign loans had German banks not lent so much or purchased so many sovereign bonds within the union. Narratives that fail to acknowledge Germany's role in promoting the circumstances that underlay the eurozone crisis ignore the destabilizing power of financial liberalization, even for a global financial center like Germany.

susan the other, December 3, 2015 at 1:06 pm

This is very interesting. It describes just how the EU mess unfolded beginning in 1970 with deregulation of the financial industry in the core. Big fish eat little fish. It is as if for 4 decades the banks in Germany compensated their losses to the bigger international lenders by taking on the riskier borrowers and were able to do so because of German mercantilism and financial deregulation. Like the German domestic banks loaned the periphery money with abandon, and effectively borrowed their own profits by speculating on bad customers. As German corporations did business with big international banksters, who lent at lower rates, other German banks resorted to buying the sovereign bonds of the periphery and selling CDOs, etc. The German banks were as over-extended looking for profit as consumers living on their credit cards. Deregulation enriched only the biggest international banks. We could call this behavior a form of digging your own grave. In 2009 the periphery saw their borrowing costs threatened and guaranteed their own financial institutions creating the "sovereign debt" that the core then refused to touch. Hypocrisy ruled. Generosity was in short supply. The whole thing fell apart. Deregulation was just another form of looting.

washunate, December 3, 2015 at 1:28 pm

German losses on international securitized assets prompted retrenchment of lending, paving the way for the eurozone's sovereign debt crisis.

I agree with the general conclusion at the end that German financialization is part of the overall narrative of EMU, but I don't follow this specific link in the chain of events as described. The eurozone has a sovereign debt crisis because those sovereign governments privatized the profits and socialized the losses of a global system of fraud. And if we're assigning national blame, it's a system run out of DC, NY, and London a lot more than Berlin, Frankfurt, and Brussels.

Current and capital account imbalances cancel each other out in the overall balance of payments. As bank lending decreases (capital account surplus shrinks) then the current account deficit shrinks as well (the 'trade deficit'). The problem is when governments step in and haphazardly backstop some of the losses – at least, when they do so without imposing taxes on the wealthy to a sufficient degree to pay for these bailouts.

[Dec 04, 2015] Congressional Aid to Multinationals Avoiding Taxes

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The OECD's Base Erosion and Profit Shifting (BEPS) initiative is an effort by the G20 to curb the abuse of transfer pricing by multinationals. Senator Hatch is not a fan:

Throughout this process we have heard concerns from large sectors of the business community that the BEPS project could be used to further undermine our nation's competitiveness and to unfairly subject U.S. companies to greater tax liabilities abroad. Companies have also been concerned about various reporting requirements that could impose significant compliance costs on American businesses and force them to share highly sensitive proprietary information with foreign governments. I expect that we'll hear about these concerns from the business community and others during today's hearing.
Indeed we heard from some lawyer representing The Software Coalition who was there to mansplain to us how BEPS is evil. I learned two startling things. First – Bermuda must be part of the US tax base. Secondly, if Google is expected to pay taxes in the UK, it will take all those 53,600 jobs which are mainly in California and move them to Bermuda:
in particular how the changes to the international tax rules as developed under BEPS will significantly reduce the U.S. tax base and create disincentives for U.S. multinational corporations (MNCs) to create R&D jobs in the United States
Yes – I find his testimony absurd at so many levels. Let's take Google as an example. When they say foreign subsidiaries – think Bermuda. Over the past three year, Google's income has average $15.876 billion per year but its income taxes have only average $2.933 billion for an effective tax rate of only 18.5%. How did that happen? Well – 55% of its income is sourced to these foreign subsidiaries and the average tax rate on this income is only 6.5%. Nice deal! Google's tax model is not only easy to explain but is also a very common one for those in the Software Coalition. While all of the R&D is done in the U.S. and 45% of its sales are in the U.S. – U.S. source income is only 45% of worldwide income. Very little of the foreign sourced income ends up in places like the UK even 11% of Google's sales are to UK customers. Only problem is that income ends up on Ireland's books with the UK getting a very modest amount of the profits. Now you might be wondering how Google got to the foreign taxes to be only 6.5% of foreign sourced income since Ireland's tax rate is 12.5%. But think Double Irish Dutch Sandwich and you'll get how the profits ended up in Bermuda as well as perhaps a good lunch! But what about that repatriation tax you ask. Google's most recent 10-K proudly notes:
"We have not provided U.S. income taxes and foreign withholding taxes on the undistributed earnings of foreign subsidiaries".
In other words, they are not paying that repatriation tax. Besides the Republicans want to eliminate. Let's be honest – Congress has hamstringed the IRS efforts to enforce transfer pricing. The BEPS initiative arose out of this failure. And now the Republicans in Congress are objecting to even these efforts. And if Europe has the temerity of expecting its fair share of taxes, U.S. multinationals will leave California and relocate in Bermuda? Who is this lawyer kidding? Myrtle Blackwood
The development model in nation after nation is dependent upon global corporations. What is happening is simply a byproduct of this.
Jack
Would the problem of transfer mythical corporate location and the resulting lost taxes be resolved if taxes were based on point of revenue? Tax gross income where it is earned instead of taxing profits where they are not earned.

[Dec 04, 2015] China vows to drive smart aleck lecturers from its universities

Notable quotes:
"... Corruption happen everywhere, just look at US. They merely make it legal to bribe the politician, it is call lobbying. Look at all those who cheated their clients by selling them CDOs and betting against them. It became a financial worst crisis for the world, yet none of them was jailed and they all get to keep the billions. ..."
The Guardian

KarlBC g_reader_1, 4 Dec 2015 09:43

Corruption happen everywhere, just look at US. They merely make it legal to bribe the politician, it is call lobbying. Look at all those who cheated their clients by selling them CDOs and betting against them. It became a financial worst crisis for the world, yet none of them was jailed and they all get to keep the billions.

Estimate the cost to win 2016 president election = USD 1bn. Even Bush, not a front runner, had already spend USD30millions. Contribution of fund in return for IOU favors, look like corruption to me too.

NigelJ, 4 Dec 2015 10:53

some of this anti-corruption campaign would certainly not go amiss in the UK.

TheHighRoad isabey, 4 Dec 2015 09:29

Perhaps the difference is that many academics in the UK are contracted to do a certain number of hours teaching and must support the university's reputation with research but are also permitted - contractually - to work in industry and with NGOs to supplement their income and to expand their knowledge of current practice to make their teaching and research more relevant. It isn't illegal or even unusual or suspect and if you are envious of it I suggest you spend 8 years working your way through an ordinary degree, a master's and a doctorate so that you too can participate in it - though don't get your hopes up for "raking it in".

Oh, and they don't work in a system where corruption investigations are used as a pretext to weed out "unreliable elements" who talk about dangerous things that might lead impressionable young people to ask difficult questions about the government in a one-party state.

[Dec 02, 2015] Wolf Richter: Financially Engineered Stocks Drag Down S P 500

All this neoliberal talk about "maximizing shareholder value" is designed to hide a redistribution mechanism of wealth up. Which is the essence of neoliberalism. It's all about executive pay. "Shareholder value" is nothing then a ruse for getting outsize bonuses but top execs. Stock buybacks is a form of asset-stripping, similar to one practiced by buyout sharks, but practiced by internal management team. Who cares if the company will be destroyed if you have a golden parachute ?
Notable quotes:
"... By Wolf Richter, a San Francisco based executive, entrepreneur, start up specialist, and author, with extensive international work experience. Originally published at Wolf Street . ..."
"... IBM has blown $125 billion on buybacks since 2005, more than the $111 billion it invested in capital expenditures and R D. It's staggering under its debt, while revenues have been declining for 14 quarters in a row. It cut its workforce by 55,000 people since 2012. ..."
"... Big-pharma icon Pfizer plowed $139 billion into buybacks and dividends in the past decade, compared to $82 billion in R D and $18 billion in capital spending. 3M spent $48 billion on buybacks and dividends, and $30 billion on R D and capital expenditures. They're all doing it. ..."
"... Nearly 60% of the 3,297 publicly traded non-financial US companies Reuters analyzed have engaged in share buybacks since 2010. Last year, the money spent on buybacks and dividends exceeded net income for the first time in a non-recession period. ..."
"... This year, for the 613 companies that have reported earnings for fiscal 2015, share buybacks hit a record $520 billion. They also paid $365 billion in dividends, for a total of $885 billion, against their combined net income of $847 billion. ..."
"... Buybacks and dividends amount to 113% of capital spending among companies that have repurchased shares since 2010, up from 60% in 2000 and from 38% in 1990. Corporate investment is normally a big driver in a recovery. Not this time! Hence the lousy recovery. ..."
"... Financial engineering takes precedence over actual engineering in the minds of CEOs and CFOs. A company buying its own shares creates additional demand for those shares. It's supposed to drive up the share price. The hoopla surrounding buyback announcements drives up prices too. Buybacks also reduce the number of outstanding shares, thus increase the earnings per share, even when net income is declining. ..."
"... But when companies load up on debt to fund buybacks while slashing investment in productive activities and innovation, it has consequences for revenues down the road. And now that magic trick to increase shareholder value has become a toxic mix. Shares of buyback queens are getting hammered. ..."
"... Me thinks Wolf is slightly barking up the wrong tree here. What needs to be looked at is how buy backs affect executive pay. "Shareholder value" is more often than not a ruse? ..."
"... Interesting that you mention ruse, relating to "buy-backs"…from my POV, it seems like they've legalized insider trading or engineered (a) loophole(s). ..."
"... On a somewhat related perspective on subterfuge. The language of "affordability" has proven to be insidiously clever. Not only does it reinforce and perpetuate the myth of "deserts", but camouflages the means of embezzling the means of distribution. Isn't distribution, really, the only rational purpose of finance, i.e., as a means of distribution as opposed to a means of embezzlement? ..."
"... buybacks *can* be asset-stripping and often are, but unless you tie capital allocation decisions closer to investment in the business such that they're mutually exclusive, this is specious and a reach. No one invests if they can't see the return. It would be just as easy to say that they're buying back stock because revenue is slipping and they have no other investment opportunities. ..."
"... Perhaps an analysis of the monopolistic positions of so many American businesses that allow them the wherewithal to underinvest and still buy back huge amounts of stock? If we had a more competitive economy, companies would have less ability to underinvest. Ultimately, I think buybacks are more a result than a cause of dysfunction, but certainly not always bad. ..."
"... One aspect that Reuters piece mentions, but glosses over with a single paragraph buried in the middle, is the fact that for many companies there are no ( or few) reasons to spend money in other ways. If capex/r d doesn't give you much return, why not buy out the shareholders who are least interested in holding your stock? ..."
"... Dumping money into R D is always risky, although different industries have different levels, and the "do it in-house" risk must be weighed against the costs of buying up companies with "proven" technologies. Thus, R D cash is hidden inside M A. M A is up 2-3 years in a row. ..."
November 21, 2015 | naked capitalism

By Wolf Richter, a San Francisco based executive, entrepreneur, start up specialist, and author, with extensive international work experience. Originally published at Wolf Street.

Magic trick turns into toxic mix.

Stocks have been on a tear to nowhere this year. Now investors are praying for a Santa rally to pull them out of the mire. They're counting on desperate amounts of share buybacks that companies fund by loading up on debt. But the magic trick that had performed miracles over the past few years is backfiring.

And there's a reason.

IBM has blown $125 billion on buybacks since 2005, more than the $111 billion it invested in capital expenditures and R&D. It's staggering under its debt, while revenues have been declining for 14 quarters in a row. It cut its workforce by 55,000 people since 2012. And its stock is down 38% since March 2013.

Big-pharma icon Pfizer plowed $139 billion into buybacks and dividends in the past decade, compared to $82 billion in R&D and $18 billion in capital spending. 3M spent $48 billion on buybacks and dividends, and $30 billion on R&D and capital expenditures. They're all doing it.

"Activist investors" – hedge funds – have been clamoring for it. An investigative report by Reuters, titled The Cannibalized Company, lined some of them up:

In March, General Motors Co acceded to a $5 billion share buyback to satisfy investor Harry Wilson. He had threatened a proxy fight if the auto maker didn't distribute some of the $25 billion cash hoard it had built up after emerging from bankruptcy just a few years earlier.

DuPont early this year announced a $4 billion buyback program – on top of a $5 billion program announced a year earlier – to beat back activist investor Nelson Peltz's Trian Fund Management, which was seeking four board seats to get its way.

In March, Qualcomm Inc., under pressure from hedge fund Jana Partners, agreed to boost its program to purchase $10 billion of its shares over the next 12 months; the company already had an existing $7.8 billion buyback program and a commitment to return three quarters of its free cash flow to shareholders.

And in July, Qualcomm announced 5,000 layoffs. It's hard to innovate when you're trying to please a hedge fund.

CEOs with a long-term outlook and a focus on innovation and investment, rather than financial engineering, come under intense pressure.

"None of it is optional; if you ignore them, you go away," Russ Daniels, a tech executive with 15 years at Apple and 13 years at HP, told Reuters. "It's all just resource allocation," he said. "The situation right now is there are a lot of investors who believe that they can make a better decision about how to apply that resource than the management of the business can."

Nearly 60% of the 3,297 publicly traded non-financial US companies Reuters analyzed have engaged in share buybacks since 2010. Last year, the money spent on buybacks and dividends exceeded net income for the first time in a non-recession period.

This year, for the 613 companies that have reported earnings for fiscal 2015, share buybacks hit a record $520 billion. They also paid $365 billion in dividends, for a total of $885 billion, against their combined net income of $847 billion.

Buybacks and dividends amount to 113% of capital spending among companies that have repurchased shares since 2010, up from 60% in 2000 and from 38% in 1990. Corporate investment is normally a big driver in a recovery. Not this time! Hence the lousy recovery.

Financial engineering takes precedence over actual engineering in the minds of CEOs and CFOs. A company buying its own shares creates additional demand for those shares. It's supposed to drive up the share price. The hoopla surrounding buyback announcements drives up prices too. Buybacks also reduce the number of outstanding shares, thus increase the earnings per share, even when net income is declining.

"Serving customers, creating innovative new products, employing workers, taking care of the environment … are NOT the objectives of firms," sais Itzhak Ben-David, a finance professor of Ohio State University, a buyback proponent, according to Reuters. "These are components in the process that have the goal of maximizing shareholders' value."

But when companies load up on debt to fund buybacks while slashing investment in productive activities and innovation, it has consequences for revenues down the road. And now that magic trick to increase shareholder value has become a toxic mix. Shares of buyback queens are getting hammered.

Citigroup credit analysts looked into the extent to which this is happening – and why. Christine Hughes, Chief Investment Strategist at OtterWood Capital, summarized the Citi report this way: "This dynamic of borrowing from bondholders to pay shareholders may be coming to an end…."

Their chart (via OtterWood Capital) shows that about half of the cumulative outperformance of these buyback queens from 2012 through 2014 has been frittered away this year, as their shares, IBM-like, have swooned:

Mbuna, November 21, 2015 at 7:31 am

Me thinks Wolf is slightly barking up the wrong tree here. What needs to be looked at is how buy backs affect executive pay. "Shareholder value" is more often than not a ruse?

ng, November 21, 2015 at 8:58 am

probably, in some or most cases, but the effect on the stock is the same.

Alejandro, November 21, 2015 at 9:19 am

Interesting that you mention ruse, relating to "buy-backs"…from my POV, it seems like they've legalized insider trading or engineered (a) loophole(s).

On a somewhat related perspective on subterfuge. The language of "affordability" has proven to be insidiously clever. Not only does it reinforce and perpetuate the myth of "deserts", but camouflages the means of embezzling the means of distribution. Isn't distribution, really, the only rational purpose of finance, i.e., as a means of distribution as opposed to a means of embezzlement?

Jim, November 21, 2015 at 10:42 am

More nuance and less dogma please. The dogmatic tone really hurts what could otherwise be a fine but more-qualified position.

"Results of all this financial engineering? Revenues of the S&P 500 companies are falling for the fourth quarter in a row – the worst such spell since the Financial Crisis."

Eh, no. No question that buybacks *can* be asset-stripping and often are, but unless you tie capital allocation decisions closer to investment in the business such that they're mutually exclusive, this is specious and a reach. No one invests if they can't see the return. It would be just as easy to say that they're buying back stock because revenue is slipping and they have no other investment opportunities.

Revenues are falling in large part because these largest companies derive an ABSOLUTELY HUGE portion of their business overseas and the dollar has been ridiculously strong in the last 12-15 months. Rates are poised to rise, and the easy Fed-inspired rate arbitrage vis a vis stocks and "risk on" trade are closing. How about a little more context instead of just dogma?

John Malone made a career out of financial engineering, something like 30% annual returns for the 25 years of his CEO tenure at TCI. Buybacks were a huge part of that.

Perhaps an analysis of the monopolistic positions of so many American businesses that allow them the wherewithal to underinvest and still buy back huge amounts of stock? If we had a more competitive economy, companies would have less ability to underinvest. Ultimately, I think buybacks are more a result than a cause of dysfunction, but certainly not always bad.

NeqNeq, November 21, 2015 at 11:44 am

One aspect that Reuters piece mentions, but glosses over with a single paragraph buried in the middle, is the fact that for many companies there are no ( or few) reasons to spend money in other ways. If capex/r&d doesn't give you much return, why not buy out the shareholders who are least interested in holding your stock?

Dumping cash into plants only makes sense in the places where the market is growing. For many years that has meant Asia (China). For example, Apple gets 66% (iirc) of revenue from Asia, and that is where they have continued investing in growth. If demand is slowing and costs are rising, and it looks like both are true, why would you put even more money in?

Dumping money into R&D is always risky, although different industries have different levels, and the "do it in-house" risk must be weighed against the costs of buying up companies with "proven" technologies. Thus, R&D cash is hidden inside M&A. M&A is up 2-3 years in a row.

[Nov 30, 2015] Secular stagnation and the financial sector

Notable quotes:
"... Surely the answer is "risk transfer" ..."
"... Is what you're saying here is that, by extending a lot of credit, the financial sector allowed households to maintain consumption in the face of a permanent decline in income (at least relative to expectation)? That's an important part of the story, I agree. ..."
"... the FIRE sector in particular, are parasitic on the economy. ..."
"... Perhaps financialization isn't so much a thing-in-itself as the mechanism through which wealth concentrates in periods of slow growth? ..."
"... As in the official theory of efficient markets, the financial sector is actually earning its keep by allocating capital to the most productive investments, and by spreading and managing risk. I don't see how anyone can argue this with a straight face in the light of the last 20 years of bubbles and busts." ..."
"... Did Cuba, Venezuela, Argentina and North Korea do better than the financialized economies of the world? Did the hand of the State in Russia, China and other countries secure better outcomes than the global financial sector in countries that allowed it to operate (albeit with heavy regulation)? ..."
"... The financial system can engage in usury, lending money with no connection to productive investment, by simply creating a parasitic claim on income. There are straightforward ways of doing this: credit cards with high rates of interest or payday lending. There are slightly more complicated approaches: insurance that by design doesn't pay off for the nominal beneficiary. ..."
"... "The biggest economic policy decision of the last thirty years has been the decision to de-socialise a lot of previously socially insured risks and transfer them back to the household sector (in their various capacities as workers, homeowners and consumers of healthcare). The financial sector was obviously the conduit for this policy decision." ..."
"... My feeling (based on nothing but intuition) is that the answer is (d). The government is a tool of moneyed interests. I know, it sounds awfully libertarian, but it is what it is. And I can't foresee any non-catastrophic end to it. ..."
November 29, 2015 | Crooked Timber

In my last post on private infrastructure finance and secular stagnation, I suggested a bigger argument that

The financialization of the global economy has produced a hugely costly financial sector, extracting returns that must, in the end, be taken out of the returns to investment of all kinds. The costs were hidden during the pre-crisis bubble era, but are now evident to everyone, including potential investors. So, even massively expansionary monetary policy doesn't produce much in the way of new private investment.
This isn't an original idea. The Bank of International Settlements put out a paper earlier this year arguing that financial sector growth crowds out real growth. But how does this work and what can be done about it? I'm still organizing my thoughts on this, so what I have are some ideas rather than a fully formed argument.

First, if the financial sector is unproductive, how can it be so large and profitable in a market economy?

There are a few possible explanations

(a) As in the official theory of efficient markets, the financial sector is actually earning its keep by allocating capital to the most productive investments, and by spreading and managing risk. I don't see how anyone can argue this with a straight face in the light of the last 20 years of bubbles and busts.

(b) Tax evasion: the global financial sector allows corporations to greatly reduce their tax liabilities. Most of the savings in tax is captured in the financial sector itself, but the amount flowing to corporations is sufficient to offset the high costs of the modern financial sector, relative to (for example) old-style bank finance and simple corporate structures financed by debt and equity

(c) Volatility: the financialization of the economy has produced greatly increased volatility (in exchange rates, asset prices and so on). The financial sector amplifies and profits from this volatility, partly through regulatory arbitrage, and partly through entrenched and systematic fraud as in the LIBOR and Forex scandals.

(d) Political capture: The financial sector controls political outcomes in both traditional ways (political donations, highly revolving door jobs for future and former politicians) and through the ideology of market liberalism, which is perfectly designed to support policies supporting the financial sector, while discrediting policies traditionally sought by other parts of the corporate sector, such as protection for manufacturing industry. The shift to private finance for infrastructure, discussed in the previous post is part of this. The construction part of the infrastructure sector (which was always private) has suffered from the reduced flow of projects, but the finance part (previously managed through government bonds) has benefited massively.

The result of all this is that the financial sector benefits from an evolutionary strategy similar to that of an Australian eucalypt forest. Eucalypts are both highly flammable (they generate lots of combustible oil) and highly fire resistant. So eucalypt forests are subject to frequent fires which kill competing species, and allow the eucalypts to extend their range.

dsquared 11.29.15 at 1:24 pm

Surely the answer is "risk transfer". The biggest economic policy decision of the last thirty years has been the decision to de-socialise a lot of previously socially insured risks and transfer them back to the household sector (in their various capacities as workers, homeowners and consumers of healthcare). The financial sector was obviously the conduit for this policy decision. Their role is to provide insurance to the rest of society and this is what they did – in fact, they provided too much of it, with too little capital which is why they went bust, and why their bankruptcy was so disastrous (there's nothing worse than an insurer bankruptcy, because it hits you with a big loss at exactly the worst time). I think c) above is particularly unconvincing, as the biggest stylised feature of the period of financialisation was the Great Moderation – in fact, the financial sector stored up volatility that would otherwise have been experienced by other people, including the intermediation of some genuinely historically massive imbalances associated with the industrialisation of China, and stored it up until it couldn't hold any more and exploded.

I also don't think LIBOR and FX fit into that pattern at all very well either. Financial systems have two kinds of problem, which is why they often have two kinds of regulators. They have prudential problems and conduct problems. Both LIBOR and FX were old-fashioned profiteering and cartel arrangements, which could happen in any industry (hey let's talk about drug pricing and indeed university tuition some time). In actual fact, as I wrote a while ago, it's only LIBOR that can really be considered a scandal – FX was very much more a case of customers who wanted the benefits of tight regulation but didn't want to pay for them, and were lucky enough to find a political moment in which the time was right for an otherwise very unpromising case.

In other words, the answer to all your questions is "leverage". That's why financial systems grew so fast, that's why they're associated with poor economic performance, and that's why they tend to show up in periods of secular stagnation – a secular stagnation is almost defined as a period during which people try to maintain their standard of living by borrowing. Of course, if the financial sector had been required to hold enough equity capital in the first place, it would never have grown so big in the first place, and we could all be enjoying the thirteenth year of the post-dot-com bust[1] in relative contentment.

[1] I am never going to shut up about this. The real estate bubble was a policy-created bubble. It was blown up in real time and intentionally, by a Federal Reserve which wanted to cushion the blow of the tech bust. If the financial sector had refused to finance it, the financial sector would have been trying to run a monetary policy directly opposed to that of the central bank.

John Quiggin 11.29.15 at 1:55 pm 2

I agree that risk transfer is a big deal. On the other hand, it's not obvious that the financial sector did a lot to insure households against most of the additional risk, or that the Great Moderation corresponded to a reduction in the volatility faced by households. On the first point, despite massive financial innovation since 1980, the set of financial instruments easily available to households hasn't changed all that much. Most obviously, there's no insurance against bad employment and wage outcomes and home equity insurance hasn't really happened either.

Is what you're saying here is that, by extending a lot of credit, the financial sector allowed households to maintain consumption in the face of a permanent decline in income (at least relative to expectation)? That's an important part of the story, I agree.

The secular stagnation framing of the question leads me to think more about why investment hasn't responded to monetary policy rather than directly about households.

Eggplant 11.29.15 at 2:04 pm, 3

(e) Principle-agent problem.
(f) Implicit government backing allowing the underpricing of risk.

dsquared 11.29.15 at 2:32 pm. 4

Yeah, that's my point – the massive extension of credit to households was the financial sector's role in the big policy shift. At the end of the day, although we might with the benefit of hindsight agree that "subprime mortgages with no income verification at teaser rates" were a pretty stupid product that should never have been offered, they were a brand new financial product that had never been offered to households before! Even the example you mention – "insurance against bad employment and wage outcomes" – was sort of sold, albeit that what I'm referring to here is Payment Protection Insurance in the UK, which sort of underlines that it wasn't done well or responsibly.

I guess my argument here is that it's the combination of deregulation and stagnation that was necessary to create the 2000s policy disaster. But if we hadn't had the bad products we got, we'd have had something else go wrong, probably outside the regulated sector. Because the high debt levels were a policy goal (or at least, were the inevitable and forseeable consequence of trying to do demand management without fiscal policy), and as I keep saying in different contexts, you can't get to a stupid debt ratio by only doing sensible things.

The secular stagnation framing of the question leads me to think more about why investment hasn't responded to monetary policy rather than directly about households.

Isn't the answer to this just the definition of a Keynesian recession? Investment hasn't responded to monetary policy because there's no interest rate at which it makes sense to produce goods that can't be sold.

DrDick 11.29.15 at 2:32 pm 5

Capital generally, and the FIRE sector in particular, are parasitic on the economy. They provide some minimal benefits if kept strongly in check, but quickly become destructive if allowed to grow unchecked, as they have now.

Eggplant 11.29.15 at 2:37 pm 6

(g) Rising inequality leading to an ever increasing savings glut, providing the financial industry with a target-rich environment.

yastreblyansky 11.29.15 at 3:22 pm, 7

Dumb outsider thought, turning Eggplant @6 upside down: What about r > g? Perhaps financialization isn't so much a thing-in-itself as the mechanism through which wealth concentrates in periods of slow growth?

T 11.29.15 at 3:31 pm, 8

"But if we hadn't had the bad products we got, we'd have had something else go wrong, probably outside the regulated sector."

A more sophisticated version of the widely debunked theory that Fannie and Freddie blew up the housing sector by giving loans to poor people. Rule 1: It's never ever the bankers' fault. Rule 2: see Rule 1. At least d-squared has been consistent…

Or maybe there has been a systematic continuous effort to use political influence to garner rents by gutting both the regulatory and judicial constraints on their behavior. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/30/us/politics/illinois-campaign-money-bruce-rauner.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

yastreblyansky 11.29.15 at 3:35 pm, 9

Or rather through which rent-claimers concentrate wealth (@t) bringing long-term low growth.

bjk 11.29.15 at 3:43 pm, 10

Which direction is financialization heading? It looks to be decreasing. The mutual fund industry is in terminal decline, losing market share to ETFs. There are fewer financial advisors today than in 2008, yet the number of millionaires has increased. Stock trading has broken a 40 year trend of increasing volumes. Electronic and exchange trading of bonds and derivatives is increasing, driving down margins. Bots have driven human traders out of jobs (Dark Pools has a good account of this). Banks are earnings low single digit returns in their trading divisions, which suggests they will be shut down if things don't improve. It looks like finance is doing a good job of shrinking itself, with a little help from Elizabeth Warren.

T 11.29.15 at 4:50 pm, 16

There were several issues and arguments posed in the OP. I'm addressing this:

"First, if the financial sector is unproductive, how can it be so large and profitable in a market economy?
There are a few possible explanations

(a) As in the official theory of efficient markets, the financial sector is actually earning its keep by allocating capital to the most productive investments, and by spreading and managing risk. I don't see how anyone can argue this with a straight face in the light of the last 20 years of bubbles and busts."

D-squared response is of course it's the risk transfer. That flat out contradicts JQ, but d-squared is a master of the straight face. And then he proceeds - "there has been a decision to desocilaize"; "the financial sector was obviously the conduit for this policy decision"; and "the real estate bubble was a policy-created bubble."

So JQ, here's your answer of FIRE's ascendancy from an insider: You know me and my friends were standing around just doing nothin' and then these policy guys come around. Next thing ya know, we've doubled our share of GDP and put our bosses in the top 0.01%. Who woulda known? Crazy shit, huh? Hey and if anyone asks, tell 'um "risk transfer." And if they press, tell 'um "secular stagnation." In fact, tell 'um frickin' anything. It just wasn't our fault.

Rakesh Bhandari 11.29.15 at 4:51 pm, 17

I know that I shall have to read John Kay's Other People's Money at some point. I am wondering what people make of the old the then Marxist Hilferding's concept of promoters' profit as a way to understand some financial sector activity. I posted this here a few years back.

Here's his example, and I am trying to figure out to the extent that it throws light on the recent activity of Wall Street.

Start with an industrial firm with a capital of 1,000,000 marks that makes a profit of 150,000 marks with the average profit of 15 percent.

With an interest rate of 5% straight capitalization of income of 150,000 marks will have an estimated price of 3,000,000 marks (150,000/.05=3,000,000 marks)

A deduction of 20,000 marks for the various administration costs and directors fees would make the actual payment to shareholders 130,000 rather 150,000 marks

A risk premium of, say, 2% would be added to a fixed safe rate of interest of 5% in estimating the actual stock price

So what, then, is the stock price (130,000/.07)? 1,857,143 or roughly 1,900.000 marks

This 900,000 is free after deducting the initial investment of 1,000,000 marks

The balance of 900, 000 marks appears as promoters' profit which arises from the conversion of profit-bearing capital into interest bearing capital.

In 1910, Hilferding called this promoters profit, an economic category sui generis; it is earned by the promoter by selling of stocks or the securitizing of income on the capital market.

For Hilferding the investment bank, which promotes the conversion of profit-bearing to interest-bearing capital, claims the promoters profit.

The analysis seems pertinent to the securitization process today, and I would love to hear Henwood's and others' thoughts about this.

As Roubini and Mihm have pointed out, we have seen the securitization of mortgages, consumer loans, student loans, auto loans, airplane leases, revenues from forests and mines, delinquent tax liens, radio tower loans, boat loans, state revenues, the royalties of rock bands!

We have seen, in their words, an explosion in the selling of future income of dependable projected revenue streams such as rents or interest payments on mortgage payments as securities.

That securitization been driven by investors' quest for yield lift given the low rate of interest, itself the result of the global savings glut and Fed policy.

And it seems that Wall Street, with the connivance of the credit agencies, was able to appropriate value from the purchasers of securities by understating the risk premia.

The risk premium and promoters' profit are inversely correlated so there is a strong incentive to understate the former. This is what Hilferding did not say, but seems worth emphasizing today.

Aaron Brown 11.29.15 at 5:43 pm. 18
I sincerely do not understand your point here. I'm not arguing, just asking for clarification:

(a) As in the official theory of efficient markets, the financial sector is actually earning its keep by allocating capital to the most productive investments, and by spreading and managing risk. I don't see how anyone can argue this with a straight face in the light of the last 20 years of bubbles and busts.

For one thing, I don't see that the two bubbles and one bust of 1996 – 2015 are self-evidently worse than the more numerous bubbles and busts of 1976 – 1995. You might say the 2008 brush with Great Depression outweighs the hyperinflation and multiple deep recessions of the earlier era, but certainly the Internet and housing bubbles were more productive and less threatening than the commodity, Japan, emerging debt and other bubbles. Anyway, it's a close enough comparison that someone could certainly keep a straight face while saying that in the last 20 years financial volatility inflicted less real economic damage than in the preceding 20 years.

But the bigger issue is no one claims the financial system encourages steady growth. Creative (bubble) destruction (bust) is the rule. It is command economies that outlaw bubbles and busts–and inflation and unemployment–at the cost of unproductive employment, empty shelves, stifled innovation, loss of freedom and other consequences.

If you want to argue that the financial system did not earn its profits in the last 20 years, it seems to me you have to argue that economic growth was slow, or that more people in the world are in poverty today, or that there was not enough innovation; not that the ride was too volatile. Did Cuba, Venezuela, Argentina and North Korea do better than the financialized economies of the world? Did the hand of the State in Russia, China and other countries secure better outcomes than the global financial sector in countries that allowed it to operate (albeit with heavy regulation)?

It is certainly possible to argue that we could have had more growth and innovation and poverty reduction; and less volatility; with some third way that's better than both our current financial system and the alternatives practiced in the world today. But that point is not so obvious that any defender of the global financial system must be joking.

Why do you think the booms and busts of the last 20 years are such a clear and damning indictment of the financial system that the point needs no further elaboration?

Bruce Wilder 11.29.15 at 6:11 pm, 19

The financial system can engage in usury, lending money with no connection to productive investment, by simply creating a parasitic claim on income. There are straightforward ways of doing this: credit cards with high rates of interest or payday lending. There are slightly more complicated approaches: insurance that by design doesn't pay off for the nominal beneficiary.

There are really complicated ways of doing this: derivatives, for example, which blow up (and as an added bonus, undermine the informational efficiency of financial markets).

I keep thinking of Piketty's r > g: the ever-accumulating pile of money rising like a slow, but unstoppable tide. It has to be invested or "invested" - that is, it can buy the assembly of resources into productive capital assets that represent financial claims on the additional income generated by business innovation and expansion . . . OR . . . it can be used to finance the parasitic and predatory manipulations of an emergent neo-feudalism.

Where the secular stagnation thesis is not pure apologetic fraud, I would interpret it as saying, there are currently few opportunities to invest in additional productive "real" capital stock. For technological reasons, the new systems require much less capital than the old systems, so when an old telephone company replaces its expensive copper wire with fiber optics and cellphone towers, it may be able to fund a large part of the transition out of current cash-flow, even while maintaining the value of the bonds that once represented investment in a mountain of copper, but are now just rentier claims on an obsolete world.

In the brave new world, a handful of companies, who have lucked into commercial positions with high rents, throw off a lot of cash. So, the Apples and Intels do not need to be allocated new capital, but their distribution of cash to people who don't need it, is generating a lot of demand for "financial product". The rest of the business world is just trying to manage a slow decline, able to throw off modest amounts of cash, desperate to find sources of political power that might yield reliable rents, but without opportunities to innovate that would actually require net investment in excess of current cashflows from operations.

So, the financial system is just responding to this enlarged demand for non-productive investment in financial products that generate return from parasitic extraction.

In the interest of parasitic extraction, the financial system pursues the politics of neoliberal privatization as a means of generating financial products to satisfy demand.

Does that sound like a plausible narrative?

Dipper 11.29.15 at 6:30 pm, 20

re volatility, the thing you really want to worry about is liquidity. Pre-crash banks could warehouse risk and so provide liquidity. One consequence was volatility was recorded because liquid markets allowed prices to be observed.

Regulators have observed the conflict of interest caused by banks providing a financial service but also participating in the markets with their own money, and have acted to restrict banks from holding risk for proprietary trading (the Volcker rule). This is fine, but there has been a noticeable decrease in liquidity in what were once deep markets. The EURCHF un-pegging in Jan this year is a good example of reduced liquidity resulting in a massive move. There may well be more of this to come.

Sebastian H 11.29.15 at 6:34 pm, 21
"The biggest economic policy decision of the last thirty years has been the decision to de-socialise a lot of previously socially insured risks and transfer them back to the household sector (in their various capacities as workers, homeowners and consumers of healthcare). The financial sector was obviously the conduit for this policy decision."

I can't tell if you are arguing with John or agreeing with him. Is this agreement with his d) [the political capture explanation]? I don't know very much about the deep history of financial regulation, but I'm fairly certain that most voters have never put desocialization of risk in their top 5 concerns. Is it possible that the financial sector was the obvious conduit because they were among the important authors of the ideas?

MisterMr 11.29.15 at 6:50 pm, 22

Previously commented here as Random Lurker.

In my opinion, finance had a passive role in the build up of the crisis.
Others have said similar things uptread, however this is my opinion:

1) the wage share of GDP depends largely on political choices; since the late seventies there has been a trend of a falling wage share more or less everywhere, as countries with a lower wage share are more competitive on the world market.
2) a falling wage share means a rising profit share, and "capitalists" tend to reinvest part of their profits, so a falling wage share caused a worldwide saving glut.
3) this worldwide saving glut caused an increased financialisation and a bubbling up of the price of some assets, particularly those assets whose supply is inelastic (for example, the value of distribution chains or of famous consumer brands).
4) this in turn causes an increased volatility of financial markets, and worse financial crises.

This situation is what we perceive as a secular stagnation, and IMHO depends mostly on a low worldwide wage share.
Unfortunately, I have no idea of how to reach an higher wage share, and I don't think "the market" has any mechanism to push up said wage share.

Rakesh Bhandari 11.29.15 at 7:08 pm, 23

Bruce,
What you are saying makes sense to me. Steven Pressman has also raised the question of how r is to be maintained with "an abundance of capital and its need for high rates of return." (Understanding Piketty's Capital in the Twenty First Century).

It's almost as if Piketty in his criticism of the rentier has a rentier's disregard for how the returns are actually to be made. To the extent that he considers production it is through marginal productivity theory. Piketty claims that marginal rate of substitution of capital for labor will remain above unity (and too bad Piketty dismissed the Cambridge Capital critique because Ian Steedman has used Sraffian theory to show the possibilities of high profits in even a fully automated economy).

Of course as Pressman implies, this "technical" view may blind us to the higher exploitation that may be necessary for returns to continue to remain high as capital becomes more abundant. Pressman also implies that Piketty also does not consider how finance can make higher rates of return by making higher-interest loans to weaker parties while having them absorb most of the risk (this would be your second kind of investment).

Search for the several paragraphs on the rentier in this section. It is remarkable that no one has yet compared Piketty's criticism of the rentier to this.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/bukharin/works/1927/leisure-economics/introduction.htm

felwith 11.29.15 at 8:31 pm, 24

" I don't know very much about the deep history of financial regulation, but I'm fairly certain that most voters have never put desocialization of risk in their top 5 concerns."

Of course not, but there are actors here other than "the public" and "the banks". In this case, I'm pretty sure Daniel is referring to the destruction of unionized middle class jobs with pensions and cheap-to-the-worker health insurance, which was carried out by their employers. While I doubt I could pick a bank owner out of a lineup filled out with captains of industry, they aren't actually interchangeable.

Peter K. 11.29.15 at 9:43 pm, 25

@1 Dsquared:

"Of course, if the financial sector had been required to hold enough equity capital in the first place, it would never have grown so big in the first place, and we could all be enjoying the thirteenth year of the post-dot-com bust[1] in relative contentment."

Secular stagnation to me just means not enough macro (monetary/fiscal) policy to keep up aggregate demand for full employment and target inflation.

Monetary and fiscal policy is being blocked by politics partly because filthy rich financiers are buying their way into politics:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/30/us/politics/illinois-campaign-money-bruce-rauner.html

The question about Dsquare's alternate history I would have is: what is the response of fiscal and monetary policy to the "domestication" of the financial sector via higher capital requirements and leverage regulations, etc.?

If fiscal and monetary policy keeps the economy at a high-pressure level with full employment and rising wages, I don't see why secular stagnation is a problem.

But politics is blocking fiscal and monetary policy. Professor Quiggin talks of "massive" monetary policy, but it wasn't massive given the need. (It was massive compared to past recoveries.) It was big enough to avoid deflation despite unprecedented fiscal austerity. It wasn't big enough to hit their inflation target in a timely matter.

Ze K 11.29.15 at 9:53 pm, 27

My feeling (based on nothing but intuition) is that the answer is (d). The government is a tool of moneyed interests. I know, it sounds awfully libertarian, but it is what it is. And I can't foresee any non-catastrophic end to it.

[Nov 28, 2015] Remaking the Middle East: How the US Grew Tired and Less Relevant

Notable quotes:
"... In reality, this perception is misleading; not that Kerry is a warmonger on the level of George W. Bush's top staff, such as Vice-President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld. The two were the very antithesis of any rational foreign policy such that even the elder George H. W. Bush described them with demeaning terminology , according to his biographer, quoted in the New York Times . Cheney was an "Iron-ass", who "had his own empire … and marched to his own drummer," H.W. Bush said, while calling Rumsfeld "an arrogant fellow" who lacked empathy. Yet, considering that the elder Bush was rarely a peacemaker himself, one is left to ponder if the US foreign policy ailment is centered on failure to elect proper representatives and to enlist anyone other than psychopaths? ..."
"... comparing the conduct of the last three administrations, that of Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Barack Obama, one would find that striking similarities are abundant. In principle, all three administrations' foreign policy agendas were predicated on strong militaries and military interventions, although they applied soft power differently. ..."
"... In essence, Obama carried on with much of what W. Bush had started in the Middle East, although he supplanted his country's less active role in Iraq with new interventions in Libya and Syria. In fact, his Iraq policies were guided by Bush's final act in that shattered country, where he ordered a surge in troops to pacify the resistance, thus paving the way for an eventual withdrawal. Of course, none of that plotting worked in their favor, with the rise of ISIS among others, but that is for another discussion. ..."
"... In other words, US foreign policy continues unabated, often guided by the preponderant norm that "might makes right", and by ill-advised personal ambitions and ideological illusions like those championed by neo-conservatives during W. Bush's era. ..."
"... The folly of W. Bush, Cheney and company is that they assumed that the Pentagon's over $1.5 billion-a-day budget was enough to acquire the US the needed leverage to control every aspect of global affairs, including a burgeoning share of world economy. ..."
"... The Russian military campaign in Syria, which was halfheartedly welcomed by the US. has signaled a historic shift in the Middle East. Even if Russia fails to turn its war into a major shift of political and economic clout, the mere fact that other contenders are now throwing their proverbial hats into the Middle East ring, is simply unprecedented since the British-French-Israeli Tripartite Aggression on Egypt in 1956. ..."
"... It will take years before a new power paradigm fully emerges, during which time US clients are likely to seek the protection of more dependable powers. In fact, the shopping for a new power is already under way, which also means that new alliances will be formed while others fold. ..."
November 14, 2015 | original.antiwar.com
US Secretary of State, John Kerry, is often perceived as one of the "good ones" – the less hawkish of top American officials, who does not simply promote and defend his country's military adventurism but reaches out to others, beyond polarizing rhetoric.

His unremitting efforts culminated partly in the Iran nuclear framework agreement in April, followed by a final deal, a few months later. Now, he is reportedly hard at work again to find some sort of consensus on a way out of the Syria war, a multi-party conflict that has killed over 300,000 people. His admirers see him as the diplomatic executor of a malleable and friendly US foreign policy agenda under President Obama.

In reality, this perception is misleading; not that Kerry is a warmonger on the level of George W. Bush's top staff, such as Vice-President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld. The two were the very antithesis of any rational foreign policy such that even the elder George H. W. Bush described them with demeaning terminology, according to his biographer, quoted in the New York Times. Cheney was an "Iron-ass", who "had his own empire … and marched to his own drummer," H.W. Bush said, while calling Rumsfeld "an arrogant fellow" who lacked empathy. Yet, considering that the elder Bush was rarely a peacemaker himself, one is left to ponder if the US foreign policy ailment is centered on failure to elect proper representatives and to enlist anyone other than psychopaths?

If one is to fairly examine US foreign policies in the Middle East, for example, comparing the conduct of the last three administrations, that of Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Barack Obama, one would find that striking similarities are abundant. In principle, all three administrations' foreign policy agendas were predicated on strong militaries and military interventions, although they applied soft power differently.

In essence, Obama carried on with much of what W. Bush had started in the Middle East, although he supplanted his country's less active role in Iraq with new interventions in Libya and Syria. In fact, his Iraq policies were guided by Bush's final act in that shattered country, where he ordered a surge in troops to pacify the resistance, thus paving the way for an eventual withdrawal. Of course, none of that plotting worked in their favor, with the rise of ISIS among others, but that is for another discussion.

Obama has even gone a step further when he recently decided to keep thousands of US troops in Afghanistan well into 2017, thus breaking US commitment to withdraw next year. 2017 is Obama's last year in office, and the decision is partly motivated by his administration's concern that future turmoil in that country could cost his Democratic Party heavily in the upcoming presidential elections.

In other words, US foreign policy continues unabated, often guided by the preponderant norm that "might makes right", and by ill-advised personal ambitions and ideological illusions like those championed by neo-conservatives during W. Bush's era.

Nevertheless, much has changed as well, simply because American ambitions to police the world, politics and the excess of $600 billion a year US defense budget are not the only variables that control events in the Middle East and everywhere else. There are other undercurrents that cannot be wished away, and they too can dictate US foreign policy outlooks and behavior.

Indeed, an American decline has been noted for many years, and Middle Eastern nations have been more aware of this decline than others. One could even argue that the W. Bush administration's rush for war in Iraq in 2003 in an attempt at controlling the region's resources, was a belated effort at staving off that unmistakable decay – whether in US ability to regulate rising global contenders or in its overall share of global economy.

The folly of W. Bush, Cheney and company is that they assumed that the Pentagon's over $1.5 billion-a-day budget was enough to acquire the US the needed leverage to control every aspect of global affairs, including a burgeoning share of world economy. That misconception carries on to this day, where military spending is already accounting for about 54 percent of all federal discretionary spending, itself nearly a third of the country's overall budget.

However, those who are blaming Obama for failing to leverage US military strength for political currency refuse to accept that Obama's behavior hardly reflects a lack of appetite for war, but a pragmatic response to a situation that has largely spun out of US control.

The so-called "Arab Spring", for example, was a major defining factor in the changes of US fortunes. And it all came at a particularly interesting time.

First, the Iraq war has destroyed whatever little credibility the US had in the region, a sentiment that also reverberated around the world.

Second, it was becoming clear that the US foreign policy in Central and South America – an obstinate continuation of the Monroe Doctrine of 1823, which laid the groundwork for US domination of that region – has also been challenged by more assertive leaders, armed with democratic initiatives, not military coups.

Third, China's more forceful politics, at least around its immediate regional surroundings, signaled that the US traditional hegemony over most of East and South East Asia are also facing fierce competition.

Not only many Asian and other countries have flocked to China, lured by its constantly growing and seemingly more solid economic performance, if compared to the US, but others are also flocking to Russia, which is filling a political and, as of late, military vacuum left open.

The Russian military campaign in Syria, which was halfheartedly welcomed by the US. has signaled a historic shift in the Middle East. Even if Russia fails to turn its war into a major shift of political and economic clout, the mere fact that other contenders are now throwing their proverbial hats into the Middle East ring, is simply unprecedented since the British-French-Israeli Tripartite Aggression on Egypt in 1956.

The region's historians must fully understand the repercussions of all of these factors, and that simply analyzing the US decline based on the performance of individuals – Condoleezza Rice's hawkishness vs. John Kerry's supposed sane diplomacy – is a trivial approach to understanding current shifts in global powers.

It will take years before a new power paradigm fully emerges, during which time US clients are likely to seek the protection of more dependable powers. In fact, the shopping for a new power is already under way, which also means that new alliances will be formed while others fold.

For now, the Middle East will continue to pass through this incredibly difficult and violent transition, for which the US is partly responsible.

Ramzy Baroud (www.ramzybaroud.net) is a media consultant, an internationally-syndicated columnist and the editor of PalestineChronicle.com. His latest book is My Father was A Freedom Fighter: Gaza's Untold Story (Pluto Press).

[Nov 26, 2015] Incorporating the Rentier Sectors into a Financial Model

Notable quotes:
"... Finance is not The economy ..."
"... In the real world most credit today is spent to buy assets already in place, not to create new productive capacity. Some 80 percent of bank loans in the English-speaking world are real estate mortgages, and much of the balance is lent against stocks and bonds already issued. ..."
"... Debt-leveraged buyouts and commercial real estate purchases turn business cash flow (ebitda: earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization) into interest payments. Likewise, bank or bondholder financing of public debt (especially in the Eurozone, which lacks a central bank to monetize such debt) has turned a rising share of tax revenue into interest payments. ..."
"... even government tax revenue is diverted to pay debt service ..."
"... Contemporary evidence for major OECD economies since the 1980s shows that rising capital gains may indeed divert finance away from the real sector's productivity growth (Stockhammer 2004) and more generally that 'financialization' (Epstein 2005) has hurt growth and incomes. Money created for capital gains has a small propensity to be spent by their rentier owners on goods and services, so that an increasing proportion of the economy's money flows are diverted to circulation in the financial sector. Wages do not increase, even as prices for property and financial securities rise – just the well-known trend that we have seen in the Western world since the 1970s, and which persists into the post-2001 Bubble Economy. ..."
economistsview.typepad.com

RGC said in reply to JF... November 25, 2015 at 08:34 AM

Incorporating the Rentier Sectors into a Financial Model

Wednesday, September 12, 2012

by Dirk Bezemer and Michael Hudson

As published in the World Economic Association's World Economic Review Vol #1.

.......

2. Finance is not The economy

In the real world most credit today is spent to buy assets already in place, not to create new productive capacity. Some 80 percent of bank loans in the English-speaking world are real estate mortgages, and much of the balance is lent against stocks and bonds already issued. Banks lend to buyers of real estate, corporate raiders, ambitious financial empire-builders, and to management for debt-leveraged buyouts. A first approximation of this trend is to chart the share of bank lending that goes to the 'Fire, Insurance and Real Estate' sector, aka the nonbank financial sector. Graph 1 shows that its ratio to GDP has quadrupled since the 1950s. The contrast is with lending to the real sector, which has remained about constant relative to GDP. This is how our debt burden has grown.

Graph 1: Private debt growth is due to lending to the FIRE sector: the US, 1952-2007

Source: Bezemer (2012) based on US flow of fund data, BEA 'Z' tables.

What is true for America is true for many other countries: mortgage lending and other household debt have been 'the final stage in an artificially extended Ponzi Bubble' as Keen (2009) shows for Australia. Extending credit to purchase assets already in place bids up their price. Prospective homebuyers need to take on larger mortgages to obtain a home. The effect is to turn property rents into a flow of mortgage interest. These payments divert the revenue of consumers and businesses from being spent on consumption or new capital investment. The effect is deflationary for the economy's product markets, and hence consumer prices and employment, and therefore wages. This is why we had a long period of low cpi inflation but skyrocketing asset price inflation. The two trends are linked.

Debt-leveraged buyouts and commercial real estate purchases turn business cash flow (ebitda: earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization) into interest payments. Likewise, bank or bondholder financing of public debt (especially in the Eurozone, which lacks a central bank to monetize such debt) has turned a rising share of tax revenue into interest payments. As creditors recycle their receipts of interest and amortization (and capital gains) into new lending to buyers of real estate, stocks and bonds, a rising share of employee income, real estate rent, business revenue and even government tax revenue is diverted to pay debt service. By leaving less to spend on goods and services, the effect is to reduce new investment and employment.

Contemporary evidence for major OECD economies since the 1980s shows that rising capital gains may indeed divert finance away from the real sector's productivity growth (Stockhammer 2004) and more generally that 'financialization' (Epstein 2005) has hurt growth and incomes. Money created for capital gains has a small propensity to be spent by their rentier owners on goods and services, so that an increasing proportion of the economy's money flows are diverted to circulation in the financial sector. Wages do not increase, even as prices for property and financial securities rise – just the well-known trend that we have seen in the Western world since the 1970s, and which persists into the post-2001 Bubble Economy.

It is especially the case since 1991 in the post-Soviet economies, where neoliberal (that is, pro-financial) policy makers have had a free hand to shape tax and financial policy in favor of banks (mainly foreign bank branches). Latvia is cited as a neoliberal success story, but it would be hard to find an example where rentier income and prices have diverged more sharply from wages and the "real" production economy.

The more credit creation takes the form of inflating asset prices – rather than financing purchases of goods and services or direct investment employing labor – the more deflationary its effects are on the "real" economy of production and consumption. Housing and other asset prices crash, causing negative equity. Yet homeowners and businesses still have to pay off their debts. The national income accounts classify this pay-down as "saving," although the revenue is not available to the debtors doing the "saving" by "deleveraging."

The moral is that using homes as what Alan Greenspan referred to as "piggy banks", to take out home-equity loans, was not really like drawing down a bank account at all. When a bank account is drawn down there is less money available, but no residual obligation to pay. New income can be spent at the discretion of its recipient. But borrowing against a home implies an obligation to set aside future income to pay the banker – and hence a loss of future discretionary spending.

3. Towards a model of financialized economies

Creating a more realistic model of today's financialized economies to trace this phenomenon requires a breakdown of the national income and product accounts (NIPA) to see the economy as a set of distinct sectors interacting with each other. These accounts juxtapose the private and public sectors as far as current spending, saving and taxation is concerned. But the implication is that government budget deficits inflate the private-sector economy as a whole.

http://michael-hudson.com/2012/09/incorporating-the-rentier-sectors-into-a-financial-model-3/

pgl said in reply to anne...

Peter Dorman's excellent rebuttal of John Harwood:

http://econospeak.blogspot.com/2015/11/tax-policy-and-magic-investment-channel.html

[Nov 26, 2015] Argentine Election a Setback, But Not Likely to Reverse Latin America's 21st Century Trend

Neoliberalism counterattacked and scored a victory in Argentina. the trick is to use economic difficulties caused by neoliberalism to bring to power a neoliberal candidate (or more liberal candidate, if the current was already neoliberal buy stayed Washington consensus). That trick was used previously in Ukraine.
Notable quotes:
"... Washington has maintained a policy of "rollback" and "containment" against almost all of the left governments that have won elections in the 21st century. So there is quite a bit of excitement here among the business and foreign policy elite ..."
"... Argentina and the region have changed too much over the past 15 years to return to the neoliberal, neocolonial past. The Washington foreign policy establishment may not understand this, but Macri's handlers did. That's why they took the trouble to package him as something very different from what he is. ..."
"... State Corruption is ever and always a pre text for reassertion of plutocratic hegemony ..."
cepr.net

The election of right-wing candidate Mauricio Macri as Argentina's president on Sunday, which just a few months ago was unexpected, is a setback for Argentina and for the region.

... ... ...

Washington has maintained a policy of "rollback" and "containment" against almost all of the left governments that have won elections in the 21st century. So there is quite a bit of excitement here among the business and foreign policy elite, with Brazil's President Dilma Rousseff facing a recession and political crisis, and Venezuela's Chavismo confronting an economic crisis and possible loss of its first national election in 17 years. So naturally they are happy about this unprecedented right-wing electoral victory in Argentina. Articles are already sprouting up, welcoming the long-awaited demise of the Latin American left.

But reports of this demise, to paraphrase Mark Twain, are somewhat exaggerated. A more likely outcome is like that of Chile, where a lackluster candidate was unable to take advantage of Socialist Party President Michelle Bachelet's 80 percent approval rating, and lost to a right-wing billionaire in 2010. He lasted four years, and then the country went back to Bachelet.

Argentina and the region have changed too much over the past 15 years to return to the neoliberal, neocolonial past. The Washington foreign policy establishment may not understand this, but Macri's handlers did. That's why they took the trouble to package him as something very different from what he is.

anne -> anne...

https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=1AK7

August 4, 2014

Real per capita Gross Domestic Product for Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Colombia and Mexico, 2000-2014

(Percent change)


https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=1AK8

August 4, 2014

Real per capita Gross Domestic Product for Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Colombia and Mexico, 2000-2014

(Indexed to 2000)

anne:

http://www.cepr.net/publications/op-eds-columns/argentine-election-a-setback-but-not-likely-to-reverse-latin-america-s-21st-century-trend

November 24, 2015

Argentine Election a Setback, But Not Likely to Reverse Latin America's 21st Century Trend
By Mark Weisbrot

The election of right-wing candidate Mauricio Macri as Argentina's president on Sunday, which just a few months ago was unexpected, is a setback for Argentina and for the region. In the last 13 years, Argentina had made enormous economic and social progress. Under the Kirchners (first Néstor and then Cristina Fernández de Kirchner), poverty fell by about 70 percent, and extreme poverty by 80 percent. (This is for 2003 to mid-2013, the last year for which independent estimates are available; they are also based on independent estimates of inflation.) Unemployment fell from more than 17.2 percent to 6.9 percent , according to the IMF.

But Daniel Scioli, the candidate of the Peronist "Front for Victory", who represented the governing coalition including President Fernández, did not do a good job defending these achievements. He also didn't seem to make clear what he would do to fix the country's current economic problems. In the past four years, growth has been slow (averaging about 1.1 percent annually), inflation has been high (with private estimates in the 20s), and a black market for the dollar has developed. This gave Macri (and his "Cambiemos" or "Let's Change" coalition) an opening to present himself as the candidate of a better future.

With skilled marketing help from an Ecuadorean public relations firm, he also succeeded in defining himself as something far more moderate than he is likely to be, thus winning over voters who might otherwise be afraid of a return to the pre-Kirchner depression years.

Some of the things he has indicated he would do could have a positive impact, if done correctly. He will likely cut a deal with vulture funds who have been holding more than 90 percent of Argentina's creditors hostage since New York judge Thomas Griesa ruled in 2014 that the government is not allowed to pay them. If the cost is not too high, it could be a net positive by re-opening a path for Argentina to return to international borrowing - something that Scioli would likely have also done.

A liberalization of the exchange rate that got rid of the black market could be a big step forward. But much depends on how it is done: If it causes inflation to spike and the government does nothing to protect poor and working people, they could lose a lot.

Macri may also take measures to bring down inflation, which is something that needs to be done. But here especially there are great dangers, because he is likely to do so by shrinking the economy. He wants to reduce the central government budget deficit, which will grow as a percent of GDP with austerity. Given his ideology and politics, there is serious risk of a downward spiral of austerity and recession, as the country suffered from 1998-2001. If there is inflation from the devaluation, and they are eager to get rid of that too, this could make matters worse.

His campaign statements and positions indicate that he is against a government role in promoting industry, so the country's development is likely to suffer as a result. He has proposed tax cuts for upper- income groups, and so budget cuts are likely since he has pledged to reduce the government budget deficit. If you add it all up, the majority of Argentines are likely to suffer from any economic transition that he can engineer.

But he will not have a working majority in Congress, so it remains to be seen how much he can do. Internationally, he has moved immediately to demonstrate his overwhelming loyalty to the United States government, which had been previously demonstrated in confidential U.S. embassy cables published by WikiLeaks. One of his very first statements after being elected was to denounce Venezuela and threaten to have them suspended from Mercosur. Since this is not an issue that was pressing to Argentine voters, it is clear that it is part of the U.S.-led international campaign leading up to Venezuela's December 6 elections, which seeks to delegitimize the government and the elections.

Macri's willingness to join this campaign is something that no other South American president would do. On the contrary, in the past decade South American presidents have repeatedly joined together to defend democracy in the region when it was under attack, with Washington on the other side - not only in Venezuela, in 2014, 2013, and 2002; but in but in Bolivia (2008); Honduras (2009); Ecuador (2010); and Paraguay (2012). If Macri continues down this road, he will not only bring shame to Argentina, but he will damage hemispheric relations.

Washington has maintained a policy of "rollback" and "containment" against almost all of the left governments that have won elections in the 21st century. So there is quite a bit of excitement here among the business and foreign policy elite, with Brazil's President Dilma Rousseff facing a recession and political crisis, and Venezuela's Chavismo confronting an economic crisis and possible loss of its first national election in 17 years. So naturally they are happy about this unprecedented right-wing electoral victory in Argentina. Articles are already sprouting up, welcoming the long-awaited demise of the Latin American left.

But reports of this demise, to paraphrase Mark Twain, are somewhat exaggerated. A more likely outcome is like that of Chile, where a lackluster candidate was unable to take advantage of Socialist Party President Michelle Bachelet's 80 percent approval rating, and lost to a right-wing billionaire in 2010. He lasted four years, and then the country went back to Bachelet.

Argentina and the region have changed too much over the past 15 years to return to the neoliberal, neocolonial past. The Washington foreign policy establishment may not understand this, but Macri's handlers did. That's why they took the trouble to package him as something very different from what he is.

Narwhal -> anne:

too much here to comment on.

Weisbrot couches his analysis in right vs left wing politics which played only a minor part.

The election was about the incompetence of the Kirchners. Argentinians have had enough and finally kicked the incompetents out.

"with Brazil's President Dilma Rousseff facing a recession and political crisis" THAT HER INCOMPETENCE AND TOTAL CORRUPTION CAUSED....the vast majority has had enough.

Has this guy actually visited Argentina and Brazil...

anne -> Narwhal:

Do set down a focused argument and references when possible.

When "incompetence" and "total corruption" assertions are made, and even capitalized, they should be referenced. As for the "vast majority" in Argentina who had had enough, would that be the 51.4% who voted for President Macri?

Narwhal -> anne:

Sorry, Anne, I am not going to post a university research paper with references and footnotes (been there and done that).

Argentine politics are so convoluted that I do not pretend to understand them. Suffice to say that the are far more nuanced than simple liberal vs conservative. Only that those of us here in Brazil breathed huge sigh of relief when the election results were announced.

OTOH his indirect references to Brazil showed even less knowledge of the region. I have made a very small attempt to give readers a tiny view of the Brazilian politics and corruption in my other comment.

anne -> Narwhal:

On the other hand [Mark Weisbrot's] indirect references to Brazil showed even less knowledge of the region.

[ I set down the direct references to Brazil by Mark Weisbrot, Franklin Serrano and Ricardo Summa. Possibly the work they have done on Brazil reflects little knowledge as supposedly the work done by Weisbrot on Argentina does, but I find the work carefully done and persuasive. ]

PPaine -> anne:

He has none. He's reacting like the usual middle brow bourgeois. Whatever he or she really is

Nuance here is just enough muddle to confuse the outsider. So long as that outsider salivates with every reference to corruption and incompetence

PPaine -> Narwhal:

No don't hide the hand grenade here. This is class struggle. Nuances are nonsense. State Corruption is ever and always a pre text for reassertion of plutocratic hegemony

The point will be clear once this agent of the haute bourgeoise. Starts rectifying more then a decade of improved welfare systematics

anne -> PPaine :

State Corruption is ever and always a pre text for reassertion of plutocratic hegemony

The point will be clear once this agent of the haute bourgeoise

Starts rectifying more then a decade of improved welfare systematics

[ Interesting and all too reasonable historically for Latin America. ]

Reply Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 04:44 PM
anne -> anne:

https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=1AK7

August 4, 2014

Real per capita Gross Domestic Product for Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Colombia and Mexico, 2000-2014

(Percent change)
https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=1AK8

August 4, 2014

Real per capita Gross Domestic Product for Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Colombia and Mexico, 2000-2014

(Indexed to 2000)

Reply Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 05:52 AM
anne -> anne:

https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=1AK9

November 1, 2014

Total Factor Productivity at Constant National Prices for Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Colombia and Mexico, 2000-2011


https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=1AKc

November 1, 2014

Total Factor Productivity at Constant National Prices for Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Colombia and Mexico, 2000-2011

(Indexed to 2000)

Reply Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 05:54 AM
Narwhal -> anne:

This economist article gives a more complete review of Brazil's economic situation.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2015/10/economic-backgrounder

-- the real has devalued from about 2.1/US$ to 3.6/US$ today.

--bribes and kickbacks from Petrobras amounting to uncounted HUNDREDS of billions of reais had their origin when President Dilma was Chairwoman of the Board of Directors.

--Ex President Lula's closest aid is serving a jail term for corruption. The government's leader in the Senate was arrested today... the list goes on.

--The government took no steps to prevent the ecological disaster of two dam collapses this month. Many are dead and will never be found or even counted. Thousands are homeless. 60 million tons of toxic mud have completely destroyed 400 km of the Rio Doce. The mud reached the sea Sunday and is now killing the ocean habitat.

--Pres Dilma signed a decree declarion the disaster an act of god, thereby absolving the mining companies and the government of all legal responsibility.

PPaine -> anne:

The economist -- Now there's a source we can rely on --

anne -> anne:

http://www.cepr.net/publications/op-eds-columns/brazil-needs-new-economic-program-to-jump-start-growth-and-employment

September 4, 2015

Brazil Needs New Economic Program to Jump-Start Growth and Employment
By Mark Weisbrot

Finance Minister Joaquim Levy says that unemployment is going to increase in Brazil and that Brazilians should "face some realities." No country should have a finance minister with this attitude towards one of its population's most important needs – employment. And even worse, someone who is acting on these twisted beliefs in order to make them reality. His own job should be the first to go.

The vast majority of Brazilians are still hugely better off than they were before the Workers Party assumed the presidency in January of 2003. Poverty was reduced by 55 percent and extreme poverty by 65 percent from 2003-2012 and real (inflation-adjusted) wages grew by 35 percent – including a doubling of the real minimum wage. From 2004-2010, the economy grew twice as fast as it had over the previous 23 years, and the gains from growth were much more equally distributed.

But these gains are being eroded, as the economy sinks into recession and unemployment rises. Why has this happened? A new report * by Brazilian economists Franklin Serrano and Ricardo Summa shows that it is not primarily due to external factors – for example, the slowdown of global economic growth and trade. Rather it is mainly a result of government policies that have reduced aggregate demand since the end of 2010: tighter budgets, cuts in public investment, higher interest rates, and tighter credit.

Austerity is not working in Brazil -- any more than it has been working in Europe. These policies are not only creating unnecessary unemployment and poverty in the present, they are also sacrificing Brazil's future. Brazil needs public investment in transportation and other infrastructure, but this is the spending that is first to be sacrificed.

The Central Bank has raised short-term interest rates from 7.5 percent in April 2013 to 14.25 percent today. As a result of having exorbitant interest rates for many years, the government pays more than 6 percent of GDP – about 20 percent of federal spending – in net interest. This is among the world's highest government interest burdens.

Lowering interest rates could free up money in the budget for public investment. It is clear that the government needs to increase spending in order to jump-start the economy. This is what it did, successfully, when the global financial crisis and recession hit in 2009.

Brazil does not yet have to worry about external financial constraints, as it currently has $369 billion in reserves. Its net public debt is only about 34 percent of GDP (This is low by any comparison; the problem is the exorbitant interest rates, averaging 11 percent on outstanding government bonds). The economy has plenty of reason to grow, but it is clear that the private sector is not going to lead this growth.

Dilma won re-election in 2014 by promising to stand up to the oligarchy, and continue the successful policies that brought considerable economic and social progress to Brazil for the first time in decades. Levy and his friends in Brazil's powerful financial sector may prefer higher unemployment and lower wages, but that is not what Brazilians voted for. There is no reason for the government to commit political suicide by continuing to implement the failed economic program of its opposition.

* http://www.cepr.net/documents/publications/Brazil-2015-08.pdf

anne -> anne:

http://www.cepr.net/documents/publications/Brazil-2015-08.pdf

August, 2015

Aggregate Demand and the Slowdown of Brazilian Economic Growth from 2011-2014
By Franklin Serrano and Ricardo Summa

Executive Summary

This paper looks in detail at the sharp slowdown in the Brazilian economy for the years 2011-2014, in which economic growth averaged only 2.1 percent annually, as compared with 4.4 percent in the 2004-2010 period. The latter level of growth was also more than double Brazil's average annual growth rate over the prior 23 years (although it was much lower than the pre-1980 period). It is important to understand why the higher rate of growth experienced from 2004 to 2010 was not sustained over the past few years.

The authors argue that the slowdown is overwhelmingly the result of a sharp decline in domestic demand, rather than a fall in exports and even less any change in external financial conditions. The sharp fall in domestic demand, in turn, is shown to be a result of deliberate policy decisions made by the government. This decision to slow the economy was not necessary, i.e., it was not made in response to some external constraint such as a balance-of-payments problem.

Brazil's exports, and the change in their quantity between the two periods, was too small to account for most of the large slowdown in GDP growth. From 2011-2014, exports amounted to 11.3 percent of GDP, as compared with 11.9 percent for 2004-2010.

The idea that a deterioration in external financial conditions could have driven the slowdown is also contradicted by the data. For example, the total foreign debt-to-exports ratio dropped from 4.7 in 1999 to 1.27 by the end of 2010, and was 1.54 in 2014. The ratio of total external debt to foreign reserves was reduced from 6.5 in 2000 to 0.89 in 2010 (and was 0.93 in 2014). Also, the percent of Brazilian foreign liabilities that are denominated in dollars fell from around 75 percent in 2003 to a minimum of 35 percent in 2010, and was about 40 percent in 2014.

All of this indicates that the economy had room to expand after 2010. But the government decided to reduce aggregate demand through changes in monetary, fiscal, and macroprudential policies. For example, the Central Bank began a cycle of interest rate increases after February 2010 that lasted until August 2011, raising the basic nominal interest rate from 8.75 percent to 12.5 percent. The nominal interest rate increases and the macroprudential measures – which reduced the growth of credit -- helped to a certain extent to end the consumption boom (especially of durable goods). Private consumption growth decelerated sharply until mid-2012, partially as a result of these measures.

At the end of 2010, the government also decided to promote a strong fiscal adjustment in order to increase the primary surplus and to meet the full target of 3.1 percent of GDP in 2011. Another sign of this contractionary commitment of the new government was the decision, after years of high increases, not to raise the real minimum wage at all in 2011, something that had not occurred in Brazil since 1994. And despite the global economic slowdown in early 2011, the signs of which were evident from the first quarter, fiscal adjustment was maintained throughout 2011 and the full target for the primary surplus was achieved.

This rapid increase in the primary surplus was only possible thanks to a strong reduction in the growth of public spending. In 2011, public investment, both of the central government and the state-owned companies, fell dramatically, by 17.9 percent and 7.8 percent in real terms, respectively. The government's contractionary policies led to a pronounced decline in private investment as well, so that total investment (public and private) fell sharply. After growing at an average annual rate of 8.0 percent between 2004 and 2010, peaking at 18 percent in 2010, gross fixed capital formation over 2011-2014 grew by just 1.8 percent annually.

Thus it was the strong reduction in investment growth-not a process of "deindustrialization" related to the real exchange rate, as some have maintained-that explains the slowdown in industrial production since 2011. Manufacturing industry grew in the years 2007-2008 and in 2010, when the exchange rate was already appreciated. It is also worth noting that during the 2004-2010 period of higher growth, the appreciated real exchange rate was very important for controlling inflation and thus also for increasing real wages and the growth rate of household consumption.

This paper also shows that the analysis put forth to justify the government's post-2010 strategy was wrong. Even though the economy was already slowing in 2010, the argument was made that fiscal tightening was necessary in order to have a large reduction in interest rates. The lower interest rates, combined with tax cuts and other incentives for businesses, were expected to then allow the private sector to lead growth by stimulating private investment and also export-led growth as the real exchange rate depreciated due to the lower interest rates. However, as the pro-cyclical policies shrank aggregate demand, private investment plummeted; and for reasons explained below, export-led growth did not occur either. And the supposed link between public debt and sovereign risk also turned out to be an unfounded assumption.

The result is that the government's efforts to encourage the private sector to lead economic growth, through contractionary macro-economic policies, tax-cuts, and public-private partnerships, had the opposite result. To return growth and employment creation to the levels of the 2004-2010 period, the government will have to change course and return to some of the policies and strategy of those years, in which the government took responsibility for ensuring the growth of investment, consumption, formal sector employment, and necessary infrastructure.

Reply Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 07:17 AM
pgl -> anne:

These authors are not buying this conventional wisdom:

"This paper also shows that the analysis put forth to justify the government's post-2010 strategy was wrong. Even though the economy was already slowing in 2010, the argument was made that fiscal tightening was necessary in order to have a large reduction in interest rates. The lower interest rates, combined with tax cuts and other incentives for businesses, were expected to then allow the private sector to lead growth by stimulating private investment and also export-led growth as the real exchange rate depreciated due to the lower interest rates."

Neither am I but maybe for different reasons. While I'm not expert on Brazil, its macroeconomic data paints a picture of nominal rates being high more because inflation is high not high real interest rates. Its currency is devaluing in nominal terms for similar reasons. Why a nation with a depressed economy has this high inflation is a mystery.

The conventional wisdom seems to be that Brazil should do a 1993 Clinton-Greenspan macroeconomic mix with fiscal austerity. This is akin to what Volcker tried to get the clueless Reagan White House to do in 1983. But it strikes me that Brazil's issues are different and that the fiscal austerity did not have the effects from this conventional wisdom.

Narwhal -> pgl:

Inflation is as much result of devaluation as a cause of devaluation. The major driver is the flow of funds; 1) The slow down and reversal of corporate investment from abroad; 2)Repatriation of accumulated corporate profits to sustain home country weaknesses and avoid probable devaluation before it occurred. 3)Outflow of 'hot money',speculative, portfolio investments. 4)The fall in value of commodity exports (oil). 4) Increased cost of servicing and rolling over foreign debt.

Other factor include: downgrading of Brazilian sovereign debt, the HUGE cost of the Petrobras and other scandals, total loss of confidence both internally and externally in the ability of the government to understand or much less deal with the political/economic situation.

Reply Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 09:40 AM
PPaine -> anne:

This analysis leads to one conclusion

Intervene to lower the borrowing rate; that should also lower the forex rate

Brazil needs to attack inflation directly with controls on price increases

See the Abba club
Site now under construction for ultimate solutions
But for now price freezes ala Nixon

This won't happen
Because worker party compromises with the haute bourgeoise prevent this

Recall if dilma goes off he reservation
the coup birds still exist in brazil

Reply Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 10:50 AM
PPaine -> PPaine :

The melodrama here was built right into the limits on worker party actions

Take the cut to state deficits

Totally toxic

But like here austerity is viewed as prudence by the respectable class

Reply Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 10:53 AM
ilsm -> PPaine :

losers is losers

if "they" cannot win at austerity

losers is losers

Anonymous:

"Most of What You Learned in Econ 101 Is Wrong"

To this crowd, it should be - Most of what we taught you in Econ 101 is Wrong.

[Nov 21, 2015] Wolf Richter: Financially Engineered Stocks Drag Down S P 500

All this neoliberal talk about "maximizing shareholder value" and hidden redistribution mechanism of wealth up. It;s all about executive pay. "Shareholder value" is nothing then a ruse for getting outsize bonuses but top execs. Who cares if the company will be destroyed if you have a golden parachute ?
Notable quotes:
"... IBM has blown $125 billion on buybacks since 2005, more than the $111 billion it invested in capital expenditures and R D. It's staggering under its debt, while revenues have been declining for 14 quarters in a row. It cut its workforce by 55,000 people since 2012. ..."
"... Big-pharma icon Pfizer plowed $139 billion into buybacks and dividends in the past decade, compared to $82 billion in R D and $18 billion in capital spending. 3M spent $48 billion on buybacks and dividends, and $30 billion on R D and capital expenditures. They're all doing it. ..."
"... Nearly 60% of the 3,297 publicly traded non-financial US companies Reuters analyzed have engaged in share buybacks since 2010. Last year, the money spent on buybacks and dividends exceeded net income for the first time in a non-recession period. ..."
"... This year, for the 613 companies that have reported earnings for fiscal 2015, share buybacks hit a record $520 billion. They also paid $365 billion in dividends, for a total of $885 billion, against their combined net income of $847 billion. ..."
"... Buybacks and dividends amount to 113% of capital spending among companies that have repurchased shares since 2010, up from 60% in 2000 and from 38% in 1990. Corporate investment is normally a big driver in a recovery. Not this time! Hence the lousy recovery. ..."
"... Financial engineering takes precedence over actual engineering in the minds of CEOs and CFOs. A company buying its own shares creates additional demand for those shares. It's supposed to drive up the share price. The hoopla surrounding buyback announcements drives up prices too. Buybacks also reduce the number of outstanding shares, thus increase the earnings per share, even when net income is declining. ..."
"... But when companies load up on debt to fund buybacks while slashing investment in productive activities and innovation, it has consequences for revenues down the road. And now that magic trick to increase shareholder value has become a toxic mix. Shares of buyback queens are getting hammered. ..."
"... Interesting that you mention ruse, relating to "buy-backs"…from my POV, it seems like they've legalized insider trading or engineered (a) loophole(s). ..."
"... On a somewhat related perspective on subterfuge. The language of "affordability" has proven to be insidiously clever. Not only does it reinforce and perpetuate the myth of "deserts", but camouflages the means of embezzling the means of distribution. Isn't distribution, really, the only rational purpose of finance, i.e., as a means of distribution as opposed to a means of embezzlement? ..."
"... "Results of all this financial engineering? Revenues of the S P 500 companies are falling for the fourth quarter in a row – the worst such spell since the Financial Crisis." ..."
November 21, 2015 | naked capitalism

By Wolf Richter, a San Francisco based executive, entrepreneur, start up specialist, and author, with extensive international work experience. Originally published at Wolf Street.

Magic trick turns into toxic mix.

Stocks have been on a tear to nowhere this year. Now investors are praying for a Santa rally to pull them out of the mire. They're counting on desperate amounts of share buybacks that companies fund by loading up on debt. But the magic trick that had performed miracles over the past few years is backfiring.

And there's a reason.

IBM has blown $125 billion on buybacks since 2005, more than the $111 billion it invested in capital expenditures and R&D. It's staggering under its debt, while revenues have been declining for 14 quarters in a row. It cut its workforce by 55,000 people since 2012. And its stock is down 38% since March 2013.

Big-pharma icon Pfizer plowed $139 billion into buybacks and dividends in the past decade, compared to $82 billion in R&D and $18 billion in capital spending. 3M spent $48 billion on buybacks and dividends, and $30 billion on R&D and capital expenditures. They're all doing it.

"Activist investors" – hedge funds – have been clamoring for it. An investigative report by Reuters, titled The Cannibalized Company, lined some of them up:

In March, General Motors Co acceded to a $5 billion share buyback to satisfy investor Harry Wilson. He had threatened a proxy fight if the auto maker didn't distribute some of the $25 billion cash hoard it had built up after emerging from bankruptcy just a few years earlier.

DuPont early this year announced a $4 billion buyback program – on top of a $5 billion program announced a year earlier – to beat back activist investor Nelson Peltz's Trian Fund Management, which was seeking four board seats to get its way.

In March, Qualcomm Inc., under pressure from hedge fund Jana Partners, agreed to boost its program to purchase $10 billion of its shares over the next 12 months; the company already had an existing $7.8 billion buyback program and a commitment to return three quarters of its free cash flow to shareholders.

And in July, Qualcomm announced 5,000 layoffs. It's hard to innovate when you're trying to please a hedge fund.

CEOs with a long-term outlook and a focus on innovation and investment, rather than financial engineering, come under intense pressure.

"None of it is optional; if you ignore them, you go away," Russ Daniels, a tech executive with 15 years at Apple and 13 years at HP, told Reuters. "It's all just resource allocation," he said. "The situation right now is there are a lot of investors who believe that they can make a better decision about how to apply that resource than the management of the business can."

Nearly 60% of the 3,297 publicly traded non-financial US companies Reuters analyzed have engaged in share buybacks since 2010. Last year, the money spent on buybacks and dividends exceeded net income for the first time in a non-recession period.

This year, for the 613 companies that have reported earnings for fiscal 2015, share buybacks hit a record $520 billion. They also paid $365 billion in dividends, for a total of $885 billion, against their combined net income of $847 billion.

Buybacks and dividends amount to 113% of capital spending among companies that have repurchased shares since 2010, up from 60% in 2000 and from 38% in 1990. Corporate investment is normally a big driver in a recovery. Not this time! Hence the lousy recovery.

Financial engineering takes precedence over actual engineering in the minds of CEOs and CFOs. A company buying its own shares creates additional demand for those shares. It's supposed to drive up the share price. The hoopla surrounding buyback announcements drives up prices too. Buybacks also reduce the number of outstanding shares, thus increase the earnings per share, even when net income is declining.

"Serving customers, creating innovative new products, employing workers, taking care of the environment … are NOT the objectives of firms," sais Itzhak Ben-David, a finance professor of Ohio State University, a buyback proponent, according to Reuters. "These are components in the process that have the goal of maximizing shareholders' value."

But when companies load up on debt to fund buybacks while slashing investment in productive activities and innovation, it has consequences for revenues down the road. And now that magic trick to increase shareholder value has become a toxic mix. Shares of buyback queens are getting hammered.

Citigroup credit analysts looked into the extent to which this is happening – and why. Christine Hughes, Chief Investment Strategist at OtterWood Capital, summarized the Citi report this way: "This dynamic of borrowing from bondholders to pay shareholders may be coming to an end…."

Their chart (via OtterWood Capital) shows that about half of the cumulative outperformance of these buyback queens from 2012 through 2014 has been frittered away this year, as their shares, IBM-like, have swooned...

... ... ...

Selected Skeptical Comments

Mbuna, November 21, 2015 at 7:31 am

Me thinks Wolf is slightly barking up the wrong tree here. What needs to be looked at is how buy backs affect executive pay. "Shareholder value" is more often than not a ruse?

ng, November 21, 2015 at 8:58 am

probably, in some or most cases, but the effect on the stock is the same.

Alejandro, November 21, 2015 at 9:19 am

Interesting that you mention ruse, relating to "buy-backs"…from my POV, it seems like they've legalized insider trading or engineered (a) loophole(s).

On a somewhat related perspective on subterfuge. The language of "affordability" has proven to be insidiously clever. Not only does it reinforce and perpetuate the myth of "deserts", but camouflages the means of embezzling the means of distribution. Isn't distribution, really, the only rational purpose of finance, i.e., as a means of distribution as opposed to a means of embezzlement?

Jim, November 21, 2015 at 10:42 am

More nuance and less dogma please. The dogmatic tone really hurts what could otherwise be a fine but more-qualified position.

"Results of all this financial engineering? Revenues of the S&P 500 companies are falling for the fourth quarter in a row – the worst such spell since the Financial Crisis."

Eh, no. No question that buybacks *can* be asset-stripping and often are, but unless you tie capital allocation decisions closer to investment in the business such that they're mutually exclusive, this is specious and a reach. No one invests if they can't see the return. It would be just as easy to say that they're buying back stock because revenue is slipping and they have no other investment opportunities.

Revenues are falling in large part because these largest companies derive an ABSOLUTELY HUGE portion of their business overseas and the dollar has been ridiculously strong in the last 12-15 months. Rates are poised to rise, and the easy Fed-inspired rate arbitrage vis a vis stocks and "risk on" trade are closing. How about a little more context instead of just dogma?

John Malone made a career out of financial engineering, something like 30% annual returns for the 25 years of his CEO tenure at TCI. Buybacks were a huge part of that.

Perhaps an analysis of the monopolistic positions of so many American businesses that allow them the wherewithal to underinvest and still buy back huge amounts of stock? If we had a more competitive economy, companies would have less ability to underinvest. Ultimately, I think buybacks are more a result than a cause of dysfunction, but certainly not always bad.

[Nov 21, 2015] On the Lack of Courage in Regulators

Notable quotes:
"... Can courage trump careerism? I believe that for the forseeable future the answer is "No". People are highly incentivized to take the path of least resistance and simply go along to get along. ..."
"... It would be wrong to excuse the inaction of the Obama DOJ and SEC crews as being the result of some larger "corrosion of our collective values." The capos in those crews are the people doing the corroding, and not one of them was forced to (not) do what they did. Notice that every last one of the initial bunch is presently being paid, by Wall Street, to the tune of millions of dollars per year. They opted to cover up crimes and take a pay-off in exchange. And they are owed punishment. ..."
Nov 21, 2015 | naked capitalism
I'm embedding the text of a short but must-read speech by Robert Jenkins, a former banker, hedge fund manager, and regulator (Bank of England) who is now a Senior Fellow at Better Markets. If nothing else, be sure to look at the partial list of bank misconduct and activities currently under investigation.

Jenkins points out that regulatory reform has fallen short on multiple fronts, and perhaps the most important is courage. Readers may understandably object to him giving lip service to the idea that Bernanke acted courageously during the crisis (serving the needs of banks via unconventional means is not tantamount to courage), but he is a Serious Person, and making a case against Bernanke would detract from his bigger message about the lack of guts post-crisis.

Now there have been exceptions, like Benjamin Lawsky, Sheila Bair, Gary Gensler, Kara Stein, and in a more insider capacity, Danny Tarullo. Contrast their examples with the typical cronyism and lame rationalizations for inaction, particularly by the Department of Justice and the SEC. It's not obvious how to reverse the corrosion of our collective values. But it is important to remember than norms can shift much faster than most people think possible, with, for instance, the 1950s followed by the radicalism and shifts in social values of the 1960s, which conservative elements are still fighting to roll back.

Michael G

A link to a text version of the speech for those with uncooperative computers
http://www.ianfraser.org/why-well-all-end-up-paying-for-the-feeble-response-to-the-banking-crisis/
Worth reading

James Levy

We do not live in an economy or a polity that breeds or rewards the kind of public-mindedness and civic virtue that gives you courage. The author thinks the system needs courageous people, but posits no conception of where they would come from and how they would thrive in the current system (news flash: they won't). So this is a classic "I see the problem clearly but can't see that the solution is impossible under the current system" piece.

TMock

Agreed.

For those who desire real solutions, try this…

The Universal Principles of Sustainable Development

http://www.triplepundit.com/2011/02/universal-principles-sustainable-development/

Norb

In Tavis Smiley's book, My Journey with Maya Angelou, he recounts an ongoing discussion the two of them entertained throughout the years concerning which trait, Love or Courage, was more important in realizing a full life. Angelou argued that acting courageously was the most important. Smiley saw love as the moving force. While important and moving, the discussion has the dead-end quality of not being able to move past the current system of injustice. I say this because in the end, both support incremental change to the existing system as the means to bring about social justice. The powerful elite have perfected the manipulation of incremental change to render it powerless.

When trying to change a social system, courage is needed. Courage to form a vision of the future that is based on public-mindedness and civic virtues that bring justice into the world. Our current leaders are delivering the exact opposite of civic justice. Its time to call them out on their duplicity, and ignore their vision of the future.

The courage that is needed today is not the courage to stand up to the criminals running things and somehow make them change. It is the courage to make them irrelevant. Change will come from the bottom up, one person at a time.

cnchal

And when one shows up, look what happens.

The disturbing fact is that laws have been broken but law breaking has not touched senior management.

If they knew, then they were complicit. If they did not, then they were incompetent. Alternatively, if the deserving dozens have indeed been banned from the field let the list be known – that we might see some of that "professional ostracism" of which Governor Carney speaks. One person who did lose his position and quite publicly at that was Martin Wheatley, the UK's courageous conduct enforcer.

Meanwhile the chairman of Europe's largest bank, Douglas Flint at HSBC, remains in situ – despite having been on the board since 1995; despite having signed off on the acquisition of Household Finance; and despite having had oversight of tax entangled subsidiaries in Switzerland and money laundering units in Mexico. Oh, and you'll love this: the recently retired CEO of Standard Chartered is reportedly an advisor to Her Majesty's Government. Standard Chartered was among the first to be investigated for violations of rogue regime sanctions. The bank was fined heavily and may be so again.

Courageous people get fired, which leads to no courageous people left.

GlassHammer

Can courage trump careerism? I believe that for the forseeable future the answer is "No". People are highly incentivized to take the path of least resistance and simply go along to get along.

susan the other

By extreme necessity (created by total dysfunction) we will probably wind up with planned and coordinated economies that do not rely on speculation & credit to come up with the next great idea. Those ideas will be forced to come from the top down. And the problems of unregulated capitalism frantically chumming for inspiration and extreme profits will shrink back down from a world-eating monster to just a fox or two.

Oliver Budde

It would be wrong to excuse the inaction of the Obama DOJ and SEC crews as being the result of some larger "corrosion of our collective values." The capos in those crews are the people doing the corroding, and not one of them was forced to (not) do what they did. Notice that every last one of the initial bunch is presently being paid, by Wall Street, to the tune of millions of dollars per year. They opted to cover up crimes and take a pay-off in exchange. And they are owed punishment.

Malcolm MacLeod, MD

Oliver: I believe that you hit the nail on the head, and
I wholeheartedly agree.

[Nov 21, 2015] Ilargi The Great Fall Of China Started At Least 4 Years Ago

Notable quotes:
"... The biggest market in the world today is derivatives, money making money without a useful product or service in sight. With the market in derivatives being ten times larger than global GDP we can see that making useful products and providing useful services is nearly irrelevant even today. ..."
"... "When Capitalism reaches its zenith, everyone will be an investor and no one will be doing anything." ..."
"... This problem of debt vs income seems to reflect the ongoing financialization (extraction, not to be confused with financing) of the global economy rather than a focus on capital development of people and the social and productive infrastructure. ..."
"... The "new model" was inefficient (too many fingers in the pie, all of them extracting value), highly risky (often Ponzi finance from the beginning with reverse amortization), and critically dependent on rising home prices. Even leaving aside the pervasive fraud, the model was diametrically opposed to the public interest, that is, the promotion of the capital development of the economy. It left behind whole neighborhoods of abandoned homes as well as new home developments that could not be sold. ..."
"... In my understanding, the Great Depression was an implosion of the credit system after a period of over investment in productive capacity. The investors failing to pay the workers enough to buy the extra goods produced. The projected returns never materialised to pay back the debt… Boom! ..."
"... China still has implicit state control of the banking sector, they may still have the political will to make any bad debt disappear with the puff of a fountain pen. That option is always available to a sovereign. ..."
"... They specialized in mass production the way agribusiness has here, where the production is not where the consumption is. It's as if all the pig farmers of North Carolina and corn growers in Iowa woke up one morning and found out that the people of the Eastern Seaboard had all been put on a starvation diet. The economic results in the grain belt would not be pretty. Ditto China. ..."
"... Except that China ain't Iowa, they can create a middle class as big as Europe and US combined. ..."
"... It's just anathema for the ruling class to give the little guys a break. ..."
"... The global glut of oil and other resources can't just be attributed to rising production in "tight oil". Somehow the Powers that be are hiding a great deal of economic contraction. If the world economy were growing it would need oil, copper, lead, zinc, wood and wood pulp, gold, and other metals as inputs. What I want to know is the extent of the cover-up, and what the global economy really looks like. ..."
"... We are not competent to forecast the future yet. Even the weather surprises us. Its also the case that people who do have relevant data are quite likely to convert that into profit rather than share it. ..."
"... It's the collapse of bonded warehouse copper/aluminum/etc. lending frauds and all that rehypothecation. I don't think it's just a problem in end demand. It's a problem in the derivatives/futures market. ..."
"... Here is a very good case study for why people are always wrong about economy and markets. What happen to all the currency manipulators like Paul Krugman? ..."
Nov 20, 2015 | naked capitalism
Keith, November 20, 2015 at 7:41 am

We shouldn't be too surprised at falling commodity prices.

Using raw materials to make real things is all very 20th Century, financial engineering is the stuff of the 21st Century.

When Capitalism reaches its zenith, everyone will be an investor and no one will be doing anything.

Central Bank inflated asset bubbles will provide for all.

The biggest market in the world today is derivatives, money making money without a useful product or service in sight. With the market in derivatives being ten times larger than global GDP we can see that making useful products and providing useful services is nearly irrelevant even today.

We are nearly there.

fresno dan, November 20, 2015 at 10:59 am

"When Capitalism reaches its zenith, everyone will be an investor and no one will be doing anything."

+1000
Ah, that glorious day when we're all rich, rich, RICHer than Midas from interest, dividends, and rents!!!
Just to amuse myself, I intend to be a dog poop scooper – and pick up some pocket change of 1 million dollars a poop…

MyLessThanPrimeBeef, November 20, 2015 at 12:37 pm

Money making money.

Be careful.

It's like 'light seeking light doth light of light beguile.'

Money seeking money and money will be of money beguiled.

skippy, November 20, 2015 at 8:29 am

Who cares about Brent when transport is going poof….

financial matters, November 20, 2015 at 8:45 am

This problem of debt vs income seems to reflect the ongoing financialization (extraction, not to be confused with financing) of the global economy rather than a focus on capital development of people and the social and productive infrastructure.

I liked how Wray and Mazzucato linked the two in their Mack the Turtle analogy.

"Underlying all of this financialization was the homeowner's income-something like Dr. Seuss's King Yertle the Turtle-with layer upon layer of financial instruments, all of which were supported by Mack the turtle's mortgage payments. The system collapsed because Mack fell delinquent on payments he could not possibly have met: the house was overpriced (and the mortgage could have been for more than 100% of the price!), the mortgage terms were too unfavorable, the fees collected by all the links in the home mortgage finance food chain were too large, Mack had to take a cut of pay and hours as the economy slowed, and the late fees piled up (fraudulently, in many cases as mortgage servicers "lost" payments).

The "new model" was inefficient (too many fingers in the pie, all of them extracting value), highly risky (often Ponzi finance from the beginning with reverse amortization), and critically dependent on rising home prices. Even leaving aside the pervasive fraud, the model was diametrically opposed to the public interest, that is, the promotion of the capital development of the economy. It left behind whole neighborhoods of abandoned homes as well as new home developments that could not be sold."

Mission Oriented Finance

Carlos, November 20, 2015 at 9:34 am

Interesting, the supposition here is that China is heading for a depression similar to the Great Depression.

In my understanding, the Great Depression was an implosion of the credit system after a period of over investment in productive capacity. The investors failing to pay the workers enough to buy the extra goods produced. The projected returns never materialised to pay back the debt… Boom!

China could well be headed down that road, there isn't enough money getting into the pockets of ordinary Chinese that's for sure. Elites everywhere just can't bring themselves to give a break for those at the bottom.

China still has implicit state control of the banking sector, they may still have the political will to make any bad debt disappear with the puff of a fountain pen. That option is always available to a sovereign.

Then again they may just realize in time, someone needs to be paid to buy all the junk.

James Levy, November 20, 2015 at 12:51 pm

They were counting on us and the Europeans, but we've let them down. The race to the bottom erased the global middle class that could buy Chinese consumer products.

They specialized in mass production the way agribusiness has here, where the production is not where the consumption is. It's as if all the pig farmers of North Carolina and corn growers in Iowa woke up one morning and found out that the people of the Eastern Seaboard had all been put on a starvation diet. The economic results in the grain belt would not be pretty. Ditto China.

Carlos, November 21, 2015 at 1:54 am

So the corn growers need to eat more corn, that's my logic.

Except that China ain't Iowa, they can create a middle class as big as Europe and US combined.

It's just anathema for the ruling class to give the little guys a break.

James Levy, November 20, 2015 at 12:56 pm

The global glut of oil and other resources can't just be attributed to rising production in "tight oil". Somehow the Powers that be are hiding a great deal of economic contraction. If the world economy were growing it would need oil, copper, lead, zinc, wood and wood pulp, gold, and other metals as inputs. What I want to know is the extent of the cover-up, and what the global economy really looks like.

susan the other, November 20, 2015 at 2:22 pm

Where were you in 2011? I was here reading NC. One of the Links posted was a graph of the abrupt shutdown of China's economy – It was a cliffscape.

Very long vertical drop off. So dramatic I could hardly believe it and I said I was having trouble catching my breath. Another commenter said it looked like a tsunami. Of exported deflation as it turns out.

Things have been extreme since 2007 when the banksters began to fall; 2008 when Lehman crashed (just after the Beijing Olympics, how convenient for China…) and credit shut down. China was doin' just fine until then. In spite of the irrational mess in global capitalist eonomix.

The only way to remedy it was to shut it down I guess. That's really not very fine-tuned for a system the whole world relies on, is it?

ewmayer, November 20, 2015 at 6:09 pm

Related, this Pollyanna-ish laff-riot op-ed from Ross Gittins, the economics editor of the Sydney Morning Herald:

Don't buy the China doom and gloom stories just yet

Proceeds from the laughable assumption that official China economic numbers 'may not be as reliable as we'd like' rather than being 'persistently and hugely faked,' (especially during slowdowns) and ignores that the housing-market slowdown and huge unsold-RE-overhang will also necessarily be accompanied by a price crash, hence a huge amount of toxic debt being exposed – really basic boom/bust dynamics.

And no demographic boom coming to the rescue, either. (But he does repeatedly invoke the magic 'service economy boom' mantra mentioned by Ilargi.) Thankfully most of the commenters rightly take the author to task.

MyLessThanPrimeBeef, November 20, 2015 at 6:32 pm

Not too long ago, some here were still not buying the doom and gloom stories.

I don't have if they have been persuaded otherwise since.

RBHoughton, November 20, 2015 at 7:50 pm

Couple of thoughts:

Firstly, its only China's buying that stops oil falling even further Sr Ilargi.

Secondly its a Peoples' Republic – employment must be maintained.

We are not competent to forecast the future yet. Even the weather surprises us. Its also the case that people who do have relevant data are quite likely to convert that into profit rather than share it.

Don't worry, be happy. It will be OK.

ewmayer, November 21, 2015 at 2:29 am

Tangential Friday night funny: What's in a name?

Received a small airmail parcel today containing some replacement attachments for my Dremel moto-tool … package was addressed from Shenzen, specifically the "Fuming Manufacturing Park".

Wade Riddick, November 21, 2015 at 4:57 am

It's the collapse of bonded warehouse copper/aluminum/etc. lending frauds and all that rehypothecation. I don't think it's just a problem in end demand. It's a problem in the derivatives/futures market.

Ggg, November 21, 2015 at 6:53 am

Here is a very good case study for why people are always wrong about economy and markets. What happen to all the currency manipulators like Paul Krugman?

[Nov 18, 2015] Can Anything Stop Companies From Loading Up on Debt UBS Says No.

Notable quotes:
"... When it comes to the hubris of corporate chief financial officers, who have been more than happy leveraging up balance sheets in order to reward shareholders, the analysts didn't mince words. We find that corporate CFOs historically are inherently backward-looking when setting corporate financing decisions, relying on past extrapolations of economic activity, even when current market pricing suggests future investment returns may be lower, they wrote. ..."
"... That leaves downgrades by credit-rating agencies as one catalyst that could spark a turn in the cycle; downgrades of corporate credit have already exceeded upgrades this year at some of the bond graders. ..."
"... Might the rating agencies spoil the party? they asked. In the end we believe strong economic interests will overwhelm rationale considerations. Rating agencies remain heavily dependent on new issuance activity, face significant competitive pressures (as issuers will select two of three ratings) and appear unconcerned with where we are in the credit cycle (e.g., see Moody's latest conference call). ..."
"... With UBS having taken all those potential catalysts firmly off the table, that leaves just fundamentals to worry about. Who, for the past few years, has been worrying about those? [Sarcasm? - Editor] ..."
finance.yahoo.com

It's no secret that companies have been taking advantage of years of low interest rates to sell cheap debt to eager investors, locking in lower funding costs that have allowed them to go on a spree of share buybacks and mergers and acquisitions.

With fresh evidence that investors are becoming more discerning when it comes to corporate credit as they approach the first interest rate rise in the U.S. in almost a decade, it's worth asking whether anything might stop the trend of companies assuming more and more debt on their balance sheets.

... ... ...

For a start, they note that higher funding costs are unlikely to dissuade companies from continuing to tap the debt market since, even after a rate hike, financing costs will remain near historic lows. "The predominant reason is the Fed[eral Reserve] is anchoring low interest rates," the analysts wrote.

When it comes to the hubris of corporate chief financial officers, who have been more than happy leveraging up balance sheets in order to reward shareholders, the analysts didn't mince words. "We find that corporate CFOs historically are inherently backward-looking when setting corporate financing decisions, relying on past extrapolations of economic activity, even when current market pricing suggests future investment returns may be lower," they wrote. "Several management teams have been on the road indicating higher funding costs of up to 100 to 200 basis points would not impede attractive M&A deals, in their view."

Higher market volatility has often been cited as one factor that could knock the corporate credit market off its seat...

That leaves downgrades by credit-rating agencies as one catalyst that could spark a turn in the cycle; downgrades of corporate credit have already exceeded upgrades this year at some of the bond graders. Here, Mish and Caprio offered some stunningly blunt words. "Might the rating agencies spoil the party?" they asked. "In the end we believe strong economic interests will overwhelm rationale considerations. Rating agencies remain heavily dependent on new issuance activity, face significant competitive pressures (as issuers will select two of three ratings) and appear unconcerned with where we are in the credit cycle (e.g., see Moody's latest conference call)."

With UBS having taken all those potential catalysts firmly off the table, that leaves just fundamentals to worry about. Who, for the past few years, has been worrying about those? [Sarcasm? - Editor]

"Bottom line, we struggle to envision an end to the releveraging phenomenon-absent a substantial correction in corporate earnings and/or broader risk assets," concluded the UBS analysts.

[Nov 15, 2015] Election 2016 Democratic debate transcript Clinton, Sanders, OMalley in Iowa

Hillary tried to play the gender card and the 9/11 card in an attempt to escape to accusation (actually a provable fact) that she is a Wall Street sheel. "Why has Wall Street been the major campaign contributor to Hillary Clinton?" Sanders asked loudly, concluding that big contributors only give because "They expect to get something. Everybody knows it."
...Clinton asserted that under her bank-regulation plan, if Wall Street institutions don't play by the rules "I will break them up."
Sanders minced her defense into peaces: "Wall Street play by the rules? Who are we kidding?! The business model for Wall Street is fraud," Sanders fired back.
A short time later, the moderators got a tweet calling her out for "invoking 9/11" to justify taking donations from Wall Street. One tweeter said they'd never seen a candidate "invoke 9/11 to champion Wall Street. What does that have to do with taking big donations," Clinton was asked.
Sanders said that there's no getting around the fact that Wall Street has become a dominant political power and its "business model is greed and fraud, and for the sake of our economy major banks must be broken up."
Bernie compared himself to Ike, scoring one of the few real laugh lines of the night. CBS News moderator Nancy Cordes asked Sanders how he's going to pay for expensive programs such as his tuition-free college plan. By taxing the wealthy and big corporations, he says. Asked how much of a tax hike he's planning to stick them with, he responded, "We haven't come up with an exact number yet … But it will not be as high as the number under Dwight D. Eisenhower which was 90%," Sanders said of the Republican president.
"I'm not that much of a socialist compared to Eisenhower," Sanders concluded, to guffaws from the crowd.
CBS News

JOHN DICKERSON:

Senator Sanders, let me just follow this line of thinking. You've criticized then Senator Clinton's vote. Do you have anything to criticize in the way she performed as secretary of state?

BERNIE SANDERS:

I think we have a disagreement. And-- the disagreement is that not only did I vote against the war in Iraq, if you look at history, John, you will find that regime change-- whether it was in the early '50s in Iran, whether it was toppling Salvador Allende in Chile or whether it was overthrowing the government Guatemala way back when-- these invasions, these-- these toppling of governments, regime changes have unintended consequences. I would say that on this issue I'm a little bit more conservative than the secretary.

JOHN DICKERSON:

Here, let me go--

MARTIN O'MALLEY:

John, may I-- may I interject here? Secretary Clinton also said that we left the h-- it was not just the invasion of Iraq which Secretary Clinton voted for and has since said was a big mistake, and indeed it was. But it was also the cascading effects that followed that.

It was also the disbanding of-- many elements of the Iraqi army that are now showing up as part of ISIS. It was-- country after country without making the investment in human intelligence to understand who the new leaders were and the new forces were that are coming up. We need to be much more far f-- thinking in this new 21st century era of-- of nation state failures and conflict. It's not just about getting rid of a single dictator. It is about understanding the secondary and third consequences that fall next.

JOHN DICKERSON:

Governor O'Malley, I wanna ask you a question and you can add whatever you'd like to. But let me ask you, is the world too dangerous a place for a governor who has no foreign policy experience?

MARTIN O'MALLEY:

John, the world is a very dangerous place. But the world is not too dangerous of a place for the United States of America provided we act according to our principles, provided we act intelligently. I mean, let's talk about this arc of-- of instability that Secretary Clinton talked about.

Libya is now a mess. Syria is a mess. Iraq is a mess. Afghanistan is a mess. As Americans we have shown ourselves-- to have the greatest military on the face of the planet. But we are not so very good at anticipating threats and appreciating just how difficult it is to build up stable democracies and make the investments in sustainable development that we must as the nation if we are to attack the root causes of-- of the source of-- of instability.

And I wanted to add one other thing, John, and I think it's important for all of us on this stage. I was in Burlington, Iowa and a mom of a service member of ours who served two duties in Iraq said, "Governor O'Malley, please, when you're with your other candidates and colleagues on-- on stage, please don't use the term boots on Iraq-- on the ground. Please don't use the term boots on the ground. My son is not a pair of boots on the ground."

These are American soldiers and we fail them when we fail to take into account what happens the day after a dictator falls. And when we fall to act with a whole of government approach with sustainable development, diplomacy and our economic power in-- alignment with our principles.

BERNIE SANDERS:

But when you talk about the long-term consequences of war let's talk about the men and women who came home from war. The 500,000 who came home with P.T.S.D. and traumatic brain injury. And I would hope that in the midst of all of this discussion this country makes certain that we do not turn our backs on the men and women who put their lives on the line to defend us. And that we stand with them as they have stood with us.

JOHN DICKERSON:

Senator Sanders, you've-- you've said that the donations to Secretary Clinton are compromising. So what did you think of her answer?

BERNIE SANDERS:

Not good enough. (LAUGH) Here's the story. I mean, you know, let's not be naive about it. Why do-- why over her political career has Wall Street a major-- the major-- campaign contributor to Hillary Clinton? You know, maybe they're dumb and they don't know what they're gonna get. But I don't think so.

Here is the major issue when we talk about Wall Street, it ain't complicated. You got six financial institutions today that have assets of 56 per-- equivalent to 50-- six percent of the GDP in America. They issue two thirds of the credit cards and one third of the mortgages. If Teddy Roosevelt, the good republican, were alive today you know what he'd say? "Break them up. Reestablish (APPLAUSE) (UNINTEL) like Teddy Roosevelt (UNINTEL) that is leadership. So I am the only candidate up here that doesn't have a super PAC. I'm not asking Wall Street or the billionaires for money. I will break up these banks, support community banks and credit unions-- credit unions. That's the future of banking in America.

JOHN DICKERSON:

Quick follow-up because you-- you-- (APPLAUSE) Secretary Clinton, you'll get a chance to respond. You said they know what they're going to get. What are they gonna get?

BERNIE SANDERS:

I have never heard a candidate, never, who's received huge amounts of money from oil, from coal, from Wall Street, from the military industrial complex, not one candidate, go, "OH, these-- these campaign contributions will not influence me. I'm gonna be independent." Now, why do they make millions of dollars of campaign contributions? They expect to get something. Everybody knows that. Once again, I am running a campaign differently than any other candidate. We are relying on small campaign donors, $750,000 and $30 apiece. That's who I'm indebted to.

BERNIE SANDERS:

Here's-- she touches on two broad issues. It's not just Wall Street. It's campaigns, a corrupt campaign finance system. And it is easy to talk the talk about ending-- Citizens United. But what I think we need to do is show by example that we are prepared to not rely on large corporations and Wall Street for campaign contributions.

And that's what I'm doing. In terms of Wall Street I respectfully disagree with you, Madame Secretary in the sense that the issue is when you have such incredible power and such incredible wealth, when you have Wall Street spending five billion dollars over a ten year period to get re-- to get deregulated the only answer that I know is break them up, reestablish Glass Steagall.

JOHN DICKERSON:

Senator, we have to get Senator O'Malley in. But no-- along with your answer how many Wall Street-- veterans would you have in your administration?

MARTIN O'MALLEY:

Well, I'll tell you what, I've said this before, I-- I don't-- I believe that we actually need some new economic thinking in the White House. And I would not have Robert Rubin or Larry Summers with all due respect, Secretary Clinton, to you and to them, back on my council of economic advisors.

HILLARY CLINTON:

Anyone (UNINTEL PHRASE).

MARTIN O'MALLEY:

If they were architects, sure, we'll-- we'll have-- we'll have an inclusive group. But I won't be taking my orders from Wall Street. And-- look, let me say this-- I put out a proposal-- I was on the front line when people lost their homes, when people lost their jobs.

I was on the front lines as the governor-- fighting against-- fighting that battle. Our economy was wrecked by the big banks of Wall Street. And Secretary Clinton-- when you put out your proposal (LAUGH) on Wall Street it was greeted by many as quote/ unquote weak tea. It is weak tea. It is not what the people expect of our country. We expect that our president will protect the main street economy from excesses on Wall Street. And that's why Bernie's right. We need to reinstate a modern version of Glass Steagall and we should have done it already. (APPLAUSE)

KATHIE OBRADOVICH:

And I will also go after executives who are responsible for the decisions that have such bad consequences for our country. (APPLAUSE)

BERNIE SANDERS:

Look, I don't know-- with all due respect to the secretary, Wall Street played by the rules. Who are we kidding? The business model of Wall Street is fraud. That's what it is. And we-- we have-- (APPLAUSE) and let me make this promise, one of the problems we have had I think all-- all Americans understand it is whether it's republican administration or democratic administration we have seen Wall Street and Goldman Sachs dominate administrations. Here's my promise Wall Street representatives will not be in my cabinet. (APPLAUSE)

BERNIE SANDERS:

But let's-- let me hear it-- if there's any difference between the secretary and myself. I have voted time and again to-- for-- for the background checks. And I wanna see it improved and expanded. I wanna see them do away with the gun show loophole. In 1988 I lost an election because I said we should not have assault weapons on the streets of America.

We have to do away with the strong man proposal. We need radical changes in mental health in America. So somebody who's suicidal or homicidal can get the emergency care they need. But we have-- I don't know that there's any disagreement here.

MARTIN O'MALLEY:

John, this is another one of those examples. Look, we have-- we have a lot of work to do. And we're the only nation on the planet that buries as many of our people from gun violence as we do in my own state after they-- the children in that Connecticut classroom were gunned down, we passed comprehensive-- gun safety legislation, background checks, ban on assault weapons.

And senator, I think we do need to repeal that immunity that you granted to the gun industry. But Secretary Clinton, you've been on three sides of this. When you ran in 2000 you said that we needed federal robust regulations. Then in 2008 you were portraying yourself as Annie Oakley and saying that we don't need those regulation on the federal level. And now you're coming back around here. So John, there's a big difference between leading by polls and leading with principle. We got it done in my state by leading with principle. And that's what we need to do as a party, comprehensive gun--

MARTIN O'MALLEY:

John, there is not-- a serious economist who would disagree that the six big banks of Wall Street have taken on so much power and that all of us are still on the hook to bail them out on their bad debts. That's not capitalism, Secretary Clinton-- Clinton, that's crummy capitalism.

That's a wonderful business model if you place that bet-- the taxpayers bail you out. But if you place good ones you pocket it. Look, I don't believe that the model-- there's lots of good people that work in finance, Secretary Sanders. But Secretary Clinton, we need to step up. And we need to protect main street from Wall Street. And you can't do that by-- by campaigning as the candidate of Wall Street. I am not the candidate of Wall Street. And I encourage--

BERNIE SANDERS:

No, it's not throwing-- it is an extraordinary investment for this country. In Germany, many other countries do it already. In fact, if you remember, 50, 60 years ago, University of California, City University of New York were virtually tuition-free. Here it's a new (?) story.

It's not just that college graduates should be $50,000 or $100,000 in debt. More importantly, I want kids in Burlington, Vermont, or Baltimore, Maryland, who are in the six grade or the eighth grade who don't have a lot of money, whose parents that-- like my parents, may never have gone to college. You know what I want, Kevin? I want those kids to know that if they study hard, they do their homework, regardless of the income of their families, they will in fact be able to great a college education. Because we're gonna make public colleges and universities tuition-free. This is revolutionary for education in America. It will give hope for millions of young people.

BERNIE SANDERS:

It's not gonna happen tomorrow. And it's probably not gonna happen until you have real campaign finance reform and get rid of all these super PACs and the power of the insurance companies and the drug companies. But at the end of the day, Nancy, here is a question. In this great country of ours, with so much intelligence, with so much capabilities, why do we remain the only (UNINTEL) country on earth that does not guarantee healthcare to all people as a right?

Why do we continue to get ripped off by the drug companies who can charge us any prices they want? Why is it that we are spending per capita far, far more than Canada, which is a hundred miles away from my door, that guarantees healthcare to all people? It will not happen tomorrow. But when millions of people stand up and are prepared to take on the insurance companies and the drug companies, it will happen and I will lead that effort. Medicare for all, single-payer system is the way we should go. (APPLAUSE)

BERNIE SANDERS:

Well-- I had the honor of being chairman of the U.S. Senate Committee on Veteran Affairs for two years. And in that capacity, I met with just an extraordinary group of people from World War II, from Korea, Vietnam, all of the wars. People who came back from Iraq and Afghanistan without legs, without arms. And I've been determined to do everything that I could to make VA healthcare the best in the world, to expand benefits to the men and women who put their lives on the line to defend (UNINTEL).

And we brought together legislation, supported by the American Legion, the VFW, the DAV, Vietnam Vets, all of the veterans' organizations, which was comprehensive, clearly the best (UNINTEL) for veterans' legislation brought forth in decades. I could only get two Republican votes on that. And after 56 votes, we didn't get 60. So what I have to do then is go back and start working on a bill that wasn't the bill that I wanted.

To (UNINTEL) people like John McCain, to (UNINTEL) people like Jeff Miller, the Republican chairman of the House, and work on a bill. It wasn't the bill that I wanted. But yet, it turns out to be one of the most significant pieces of veterans' legislation passed in recent history. You know, the crisis was, I lost what I wanted. But I have to stand up and come back and get the best that we could.

JOHN DICKERSON:

All right, Senator Sanders. We end-- (APPLAUSE) we've ended the evening on crisis, which underscores and reminds us again of what happened last night. Now let's move to closing statements, Governor O'Malley?

MARTIN O'MALLEY:

John, thank you. And to all of the people of Iowa, for the role that you've performed in this presidential selection process, if you believe that our country's problems and the threats that we face in this world can only be met with new thinking, new and fresh approaches, then I ask you to join my campaign. Go onto MartinOMalley.com. No hour is too short, no dollar too small.

If you-- we will not solve our nation's problems by resorting to the divisive ideologies of our past or by returning to polarizing figures from our past. We are at the threshold of a new era of American progress. That it's going to require that we act as Americans, based on our principles. Here at home, making an economy that works for all of us.

And also, acting according to our principles and constructing a new foreign policy of engagement and collaboration and doing a much better job of identifying threats before they back us into military corners. There is new-- no challenge too great for the United States to confront, provided we have the ability and the courage to put forward new leadership that can move us to those better and safer and more prosperous (UNINTEL). I need your help. Thank you very, very much. (APPLAUSE)

BERNIE SANDERS:

This country today has more income and wealth inequality than any major country on earth. We have a corrupt campaign finance system, dominated by super PACs. We're the only major country on earth that doesn't guarantee healthcare to all people. We have the highest rate of childhood poverty. And we're the only in the world, (UNINTEL) the only country that doesn't guarantee paid family and medical leave. That's not the America that I think we should be.

But in order to bring about the changes that we need, we need a political revolution. Millions of people are gonna have to stand up, turn off the TVs, get involved in the political process, and tell the big monied interests that we are taking back our country. Please go to BernieSanders.com, please become part of the political revolution. Thank you. (CHEERING) (APPLAUSE)

[Nov 12, 2015] Oil Industry Needs Half a Trillion Dollars to Endure Price Slump

Notable quotes:
"... I agree. Excellent point on the frack log, but at some point with the reduced rate of drilling the frack log will dwindle. Let's take the Bakken where we have the best numbers, Enno estimates around 800 DUC wells (rough guess from memory), to make things simple let's assume no more wells are drilled because prices are so low. If 80 wells per month are completed the DUCs are gone in July 2016. Now the no wells drilled is probably not realistic. If 40 wells per month are drilled (though at these oil prices I still don't understand why) the 800 DUCs would last for 20 months rather than only 10 months, so your story makes sense at least for the Bakken. ..."
"... One thing to be careful with the fracklog, is that not all of these will be good wells. ..."
"... I agree that high cost will be likely to reduce demand. The optimistic forecasts assume there will be low cost supply judging by the price scenarios. For AEO 2013 Brent remains under $110/b (2013$) until 2031 and only reaches $141/b (2013$) in 2040. ..."
"... "Debt repayments will increase for the rest of the decade, with $72 billion maturing this year, about $85 billion in 2016 and $129 billion in 2017, according to BMI Research. About $550 billion in bonds and loans are due for repayment over the next five years. ..."
"... U.S. drillers account for 20 percent of the debt due in 2015, ..."
peakoilbarrel.com

ChiefEngineer , 11/09/2015 at 2:46 pm

Saudi Arabia will not stop pumping to boost oil prices

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/11/09/

"Mr Falih, who is also health minister, forecast the market would come into balance in the new year, and then demand would start to suck up inventories and storage on oil tankers. "Hopefully, however, there will be enough investment to meet the needs beyond 2017."

Other officials also estimated that it would probably take one to two years for the market to clear up the oil market glut, allowing prices to recover towards $70-$80 a barrel."

Greenbub, 11/09/2015 at 2:54 pm

Chief, that link went dead, this might be right:
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/11/09/reuters-america-update-1-saudi-arabia-sees-robust-oil-fundamentals-as-rival-output-falls.html

Ron Patterson, 11/09/2015 at 4:40 pm

From your link, bold mine:

"Non-OPEC supply is expected to fall in 2016, only one year after the deep cuts in investment," he said.

"Beyond 2016, the fall in non-OPEC supply is likely to accelerate, as the cancellation and postponement of projects will start feeding into future supplies, and the impact of previous record investments on oil output starts to fade away."

I thought just about everyone was expecting a rebound in production by 2017?

AlexS, 11/09/2015 at 7:50 pm
Ron, Dennis

The EIA. IEA. OPEC and most others expect non-OPEC production, excluding the U.S. and Canada to decline in 2016 and the next few years due to the decline in investments and postponement / canceling of new projects. Production in Canada is still projected to continue to grow, but at a much slower rate than previously expected.

Finally, U.S. C+C production is expected to rebound in the second half of 2016 due to slightly higher oil prices ($55-57/bbl WTI). Also, U.S. NGL production proved much more resilient, than C+C, despite very low NGL prices.

Non-OPEC ex U.S. and Canada total liquids supply (mb/d)
Source: EIA STEO October 2015

Dennis Coyne, 11/10/2015 at 9:10 am

Hi AlexS,

Thanks. I don't think oil prices at $56/b is enough to increase the drilling in the LTO plays to the extent that output will increase, it may stop the decline and result in a plateau, it's hard to know.

On the "liquids" forecast, the NGL is not adjusted for energy content as it should be, each barrel of NGL has only 70% of the energy content of an average C+C barrel and the every 10 barrels of NGL should be counted as 7 barrels so that the liquids are reported in barrels of oil equivalent (or better yet report the output in gigajoules (1E9) or exajoules(1E18)). The same conversion should be done for ethanol as well.

AlexS, 11/10/2015 at 9:54 am

Dennis,

Note that not only the EIA, but also the IEA, OPEC, energy consultancies and investment banks are projecting a recovery in US oil production in the later part of next year.

That said, I agree with you that $56 WTI projected by the EIA may not be sufficient to trigger a fast rebound in drilling activity. However there is also a backlog of drilled but uncompleted wells that could be completed and put into operation with slightly higher oil prices.

Most shale companies have announced further cuts in investment budgets in 2016, so I think it is difficult to expect significant growth in the U.S. onshore oil production in 2H16.

If and when oil prices reach $65-70/bbl, I think LTO may start to recover (probably in 2017 ?). I think that annual growth rates will never reach 1mb/d+ seen in 2012-14, but 0.5 mb/d annual average growth is quite possible for several years with oil prices exceeding $70.

Dennis Coyne, 11/10/2015 at 1:33 pm

Hi AlexS,

I agree. Excellent point on the frack log, but at some point with the reduced rate of drilling the frack log will dwindle. Let's take the Bakken where we have the best numbers, Enno estimates around 800 DUC wells (rough guess from memory), to make things simple let's assume no more wells are drilled because prices are so low. If 80 wells per month are completed the DUCs are gone in July 2016. Now the no wells drilled is probably not realistic. If 40 wells per month are drilled (though at these oil prices I still don't understand why) the 800 DUCs would last for 20 months rather than only 10 months, so your story makes sense at least for the Bakken.

I have no idea what the frack log looks like for the Eagle Ford. If its similar to the Bakken and they complete 130 new wells per month, with about 61 oil rigs currently turning in the EF they can drill 80 wells per month, so they would need 50 wells each month from the frack log. If there are 800 DUCs, then that would last for 16 months.

The economics are better in the Eagle Ford because the wells are cheaper and transport costs are lower, but the EUR of the wells is also lower (230 kb vs 336 kb), the well profile has a thinner tail than the Bakken wells. I am not too confident about the EIA's DPR predictions for the Eagle Ford, output will decrease, but perhaps they(EIA) assume the frack log is zero and that only 75 new wells will be added to the Eagle Ford each month. If my guess of 150 new wells per month on average from Sept to Dec 2015 is correct, then decline from August to Dec 204 will only be about 100 kb/d and 255 kb/d from March to Dec 2015 (155 kb/d from March to August 2015).

Toolpush, 11/11/2015 at 12:45 pm

Dennis,

One thing to be careful with the fracklog, is that not all of these will be good wells. It is fair enough that companies like EOG will have some good DUCs, (should there be a "k" in that?) in their fracklogs. But as the fracklog is worked through, I am sure there will be a some very ugly DUCklings, that nobody wants to admit to.
How many fall into this category, will be anybodies guess, but not all DUC, will turn out to be beautiful swans?

Dennis Coyne, 11/10/2015 at 1:57 pm

Hi AlexS,

On the predictions of the EIA and IEA, they also expect total oil supply to be quite high in 2040. For example the EIA in their International Energy Outlook reference case they have C+C output at 99 Mb/d in 2040.

Their short term forecasts are probably better than that, but my expectation for 2040 C+C output is 62 Mb/d (which many believe is seriously optimistic, though you have never expressed an opinion as far as I remember).

So I take many of these forecasts with a grain of salt, they are often more optimistic than me, others are far more pessimistic, the middle ground is sometimes more realistic.

AlexS, 11/10/2015 at 9:08 pm
Dennis,

You said above that estimated URR of all global C+C (ex oil sands in Canada and Venezuela) is 2500 Gb. And about 1250 Gb of C+C had been produced at the end of 2014. So the remaining resources are 1250 Gb.

BP estimates total global proved oil reserves as of 2014 at 1700 Gb, or 1313 excluding Canadian oil sands and Venezuela's extra heavy oil. Their estimate in 2000 was 1301 Gb and 1126 Gb. Hence, despite cumulative production of 419 Gb in 2001-2014, proved reserves increased by 187 Gb, or 400 Gb including oil sands and Venezuela's Orinoco oil. Note that BP's estimate is for proved (not P+P) reserves, but it includes C+C+NGLs. My very rough guess is that NGLs account for between 5% and 10% of the total.

You may be skeptical about BP's estimates, but the fact is that proved reserves or 2P resources are not a constant number; they are increasing due to new discoveries and technological advances.

BTW, the EIA's estimate of global C+C production increasing from 79 mb/d in 2014 to 99 mb/d in 2040 implies a cumulative output of 836 Gb, about 2/3 of your estimate of remaining 2P resources of C+C or BP's estimate of the current proved reserves. Given future discoveries and improvements in technology, I think that further growth of global oil production to about 100 mb/d by 2040 should not be constrained by resource scarcity.

What can really make the EIA's and IEA's estimates too optimistic is not the depleting resource base, but the high cost of future supply, political factors and/or lower than expected demand.

Dennis Coyne, 11/11/2015 at 11:05 am
Hi AlexS,

Thanks.

You are quite optimistic. Note that I add 300 Gb to the 2500 Gb Hubbert Linearization estimate to account for reserve growth and discoveries.

The oil reserves reported in the BP Statistical review are 1312 Gb. Jean Laherrere estimates that about 300 Gb of OPEC reserves are "political" to keep quotas at appropriate levels with respect to "true" reserve levels. So the actual 2P reserves are likely to be 1010 Gb. Some of the cumulative C+C output is extra heavy oil so the cumulative C+C-XH output is 1240 Gb so we have a total cumulative discovery (cumulative output plus 2P reserves) of 2250 Gb through 2014.

My medium scenario with a URR of 2800 Gb of C+C-XH plus 600 Gb of XH oil (3400 Gb total C+C) assumes 550 Gb of discoveries plus reserve growth.

What do you expect for a URR for C+C?

Keep in mind that at some point oil prices rise to a level that substitutes for much of present oil use will become competitive, so oil prices above $175/b (in 2015$) are unlikely to be sustained in my view.

In a wider format below I will present a scenario with what extraction rates would be needed for my medium scenario to reach 99 Mb/d in 2040.

Dennis Coyne, 11/11/2015 at 4:20 pm
Hi Alex S,

I agree that high cost will be likely to reduce demand. The optimistic forecasts assume there will be low cost supply judging by the price scenarios. For AEO 2013 Brent remains under $110/b (2013$) until 2031 and only reaches $141/b (2013$) in 2040.

Depleting resources will raise production cost to more than these prices and demand will be reduced due to high oil prices. There will be an interaction between depletion and the economics of supply and demand. It will be depletion that raises costs, which will raise prices and reduce demand.

AlexS, 11/11/2015 at 4:41 pm
It will be depletion of low-cost reserves that raises marginal costs and prices. High-cost reserves may be abundant, but prices will rise.
AlexS, 11/09/2015 at 7:55 pm
corrected chart:

TechGuy, 11/10/2015 at 10:19 am
Oil Industry Needs Half a Trillion Dollars to Endure Price Slump
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-26/oil-industry-needs-to-find-half-a-trillion-dollars-to-survive

"Debt repayments will increase for the rest of the decade, with $72 billion maturing this year, about $85 billion in 2016 and $129 billion in 2017, according to BMI Research. About $550 billion in bonds and loans are due for repayment over the next five years.

U.S. drillers account for 20 percent of the debt due in 2015, Chinese companies rank second with 12 percent and U.K. producers represent 9 percent."

[These are just the bonds that have yields higher than 10%]

[Its very unlikely that prices will recover in time to save many of the drillers, and even if prices recover, even $75 oil will not help since they need $90 to break even to service the debt. Also not sure who is going to buy maturing debt so it can be rolled over. Even if prices slowly recover, there is likely to be fewer people willing to loan money drillers.]

Watcher, 11/10/2015 at 5:18 pm
Don't bet on it. Probably be even better if the price declines more. Apocalypse will not be permitted.

[Nov 11, 2015] Four US Firms With $4.8 Billion In Debt Warned This Week They May Default Any Minute

Zero Hedge

agent default

It's not just the oil. The oil is convenient to point at because the US can pretend that they got SA to cause the drop in order to stick it to Russia. Makes the US look really smug. Meanwhile the truth is, copper down, zinc down, iron ore down, you name it down.

Baltic Dry almost crashing, soft commodities gone to hell. I guess SA can also influence these markets as well.

[Nov 11, 2015] Questions for Monetary Policy

Notable quotes:
"... Looking at the recent moves in exchange rates based on a simple switch in expectation of whether or not the Fed would raise rates in December or wait one or two meetings its seems obvious that the markets are not very good at anticipation. So I would not put much money on the ability of the markets to anticipate the trajectory and endpoint of raising rates - or the ability of anybody to guess where the exchange rates will go next. ..."
"... The drop in hours worked data in the productivity report is very confusing. ..."
"... I think lower oil prices has lead to a stronger consumption boost than initially thought. ..."
economistsview.typepad.com
James Bullard, president of the St. Louis Fed, says there are five questions for monetary policy:

The five questions

  • What are the chances of a hard landing in China?
  • Have U.S. financial market stress indicators worsened substantially?
  • Has the U.S. labor market returned to normal?
  • What will the headline inflation rate be once the effects of the oil price shock dissipate?
  • Will the U.S. dollar continue to gain value against rival currencies?

I would add:

Anything else?

sanjait said in reply to Anonymous...

Markets move based on expectations of both economic fundamentals and the Fed's reaction function. So both can create surprises.

In this case, a relatively stronger than expected US economy could push the dollar up quite a bit. The central bank would be expected to dampen but not eliminate this effect, even without changing their perceived reaction function.

DeDude said in reply to Anonymous... , November 10, 2015 at 02:35 PM

Looking at the recent moves in exchange rates based on a simple switch in expectation of whether or not the Fed would raise rates in December or wait one or two meetings its seems obvious that the markets are not very good at anticipation. So I would not put much money on the ability of the markets to anticipate the trajectory and endpoint of raising rates - or the ability of anybody to guess where the exchange rates will go next.

What we can say is that the strengthening of the US$ that has happened recently will hurt the economy - whether it will hurt enough to slow the Fed is anybodies guess. Whether those guesses have already been baked into the exchange rates is impossible to predict.

Bert Schlitz said...

On Angry Bear, there is a post about 3rd quarter hours and Spencer's remark:

"The drop in hours worked data in the productivity report is very confusing.

The employment shows several measures of hours worked and they increased in the third quarter from 0.5% to 1,08 for aggregate weekly payrolls.

Something is really change.

The productivity report also had unit labor cost rising more than prices,
This implies falling profits, what the S&P 500 shows."

Basically wages accelerated rapidly in the 3rd quarter. The BLS didn't start catching up to it until October. My guess the hours drop and employment picks up trying to hold down costs. However, this will probably only level off things off for a few quarters, which would be good enough to profits catch back up until the labor market becomes so tight, they simply have no choice but to raise prices and hours worked surge again. Classic mid-cycle behavior (which Lambert should have noticed).

This is what triggered the 3rd quarter selloff and inventory correction. That foreign stuff was for show. I think lower oil prices has lead to a stronger consumption boost than initially thought.

am said...

Clicked on this link for the answers but it is 34 blank pages, so i'll go for:
1. No, they'll just devalue when need be to soften the landing. I think they will do another one before the end of the year.
2. No idea.
3. Near it if you believe the Atlanta Fed. They have a detailed analysis on their blog.
4. 2.2 if you believe the St Louis Fed, end of December for the oil price decline washout from the system. So inflation will creep up by the end of the year.
5. Yes and more so if they raise the rate.
6. No. because it will just be oil led not wages (see 4).
Anything else: the weather with apologies to PeterK.

anne said...

I am really having increasing trouble understanding, how is it that having a Democratic President means making sure appointments from the State or Defense Department to the Federal Reserve are highly conservative and even Republican. Republicans will not even need to elect a President to have conservatives strewn about the government:

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-neel-kashkari-federal-reserve-minneapolis-20151110-story.html

November 10, 2015

After failed GOP bid to be California's governor, Neel Kashkari will head Minneapolis Fed
By Jim Puzzanghera - Los Angeles Times

anne said in reply to anne...

Neel Kashkari is another Goldman Sachs kid, what would you expect?

anne said in reply to anne...

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/11/business/ex-treasury-official-kashkari-named-minneapolis-fed-president.html

November 10, 2015

Neel Kashkari, Ex-Treasury Official, Named Minneapolis Fed President
By BINYAMIN APPELBAUM

Neel Kashkari is the third new president of a regional reserve bank named this year, and all three previously worked at Goldman Sachs.

[ Really, well, creepy comes to mind. ]

[Nov 11, 2015] Valentin Katasonov - Banks Rule the World, but Who Rules the Banks (II)

Notable quotes:
"... do not just own shares in American banks, they own mainly voting shares. It these financial companies that exercise the real control over the US banking system. ..."
Strategic Culture Foundation
Financial holding companies like the Vanguard Group, State Street Corporation, FMR (Fidelity), BlackRock, Northern Trust, Capital World Investors, Massachusetts Financial Services, Price (T. Rowe) Associates Inc., Dodge & Cox Inc., Invesco Ltd., Franklin Resources, Inc., АХА, Capital Group Companies, Pacific Investment Management Co. (PIMCO) and several others do not just own shares in American banks, they own mainly voting shares. It these financial companies that exercise the real control over the US banking system.

Some analysts believe that just four financial companies make up the main body of shareholders of Wall Street banks. The other shareholder companies either do not fall into the key shareholder category, or they are controlled by the same 'big four' either directly or through a chain of intermediaries. Table 4 provides a summary of the main shareholders of the leading US banks.

Table 4.

Leading institutional shareholders of the main US banks

Name of shareholder company Controlled assets, valuation (trillions of dollars; date of evaluation in brackets) Number of employees
Vanguard Group 3 (autumn 2014) 12,000
State Street Corporation 2.35 (mid-2013) 29,500
FMR (Fidelity) 4.9 (April 2014) 41,000
Black Rock 4.57 (end of 2013) 11,400

Evaluations of the amount of assets under the control of financial companies that are shareholders of the main US banks are rather arbitrary and are revised periodically. In some cases, the evaluations only include the companies' main assets, while in others they also include assets that have been transferred over to the companies' control. In any event, the size of their controlled assets is impressive. In the autumn of 2013, the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China (ICBC) was at the top of the list of the world's banks ranked by asset size with assets totaling $3.1 trillion. At that point in time, the Bank of America had the most assets in the US banking system ($2.1 trillion). Just behind were US banks like Citigroup ($1.9 trillion) and Wells Fargo ($1.5 trillion).

[Nov 09, 2015] Supervising Culture and Behavior at Financial Institutions

Notable quotes:
"... Organizational culture and behavior is a critical factor in the success of any business. The intense emphasis most American businesses place on numbers to the exclusion of almost any other consideration is a major contributor to the vast amount of corporate control fraud we have witnessed in the past decade or so. ..."
"... One of the fundamental tenets of Reaganism/Libertarianism is that "The Ends Justify the Means." The financial sector is not the only institution in our civilization that is failing due to this mind-set. The best form of regulation is simply holding up a mirror to a firm or agency and asking questions such as, "In this organization, when is it OK to lie?" ..."
Nov 09, 2015 | naked capitalism

John Zelnicker, November 7, 2015 at 9:49 am

Fascinating research. Thanks for posting this, Yves.

Organizational culture and behavior is a critical factor in the success of any business. The intense emphasis most American businesses place on numbers to the exclusion of almost any other consideration is a major contributor to the vast amount of corporate control fraud we have witnessed in the past decade or so.

Unfortunately, I don't see any of these executive psychopaths putting themselves through the self-assessment that is one of the necessary steps mentioned in the study. At least, not voluntarily.

Sluggeaux, November 7, 2015 at 11:39 am

Important.

One of the fundamental tenets of Reaganism/Libertarianism is that "The Ends Justify the Means." The financial sector is not the only institution in our civilization that is failing due to this mind-set. The best form of regulation is simply holding up a mirror to a firm or agency and asking questions such as, "In this organization, when is it OK to lie?"

[Nov 06, 2015] The C word is a Hidden Tax on Growth

Corruption == inequality: "Corruption is a tax on growth just as inequality is a tax on growth. Money that could be spent on improving conditions overall winds up in the hands of a small wealthy oligarchy. The only real difference is legalistic. Technically corruption involves some type of illegality, but the end results are the same."
Notable quotes:
"... Deregulation, of course. A semantic trick so typical of the IMF. Openness is fair and to manage openness you may need a clear regulatory framework that provides rules and clarity with strong institutions that can ensure compliance. Pushing all the time for deregulation is ideological bias. ..."
"... I like the idea of economist studying the economic effects of corruption. One of the benefits, of course, is that it will bring more to light these rationalizations like the one Ignacio brings up. So if only we didnt have laws against shoplifting then the shoplifter would not have to hide what he was doing or be guilty of a crime ..."
"... Corruption is a tax on growth just as inequality is a tax on growth. Money that could be spent on improving conditions overall winds up in the hands of a small wealthy oligarchy. The only real difference is legalistic. Technically corruption involves some type of illegality, but the end results are the same. ..."
"... This may sound a bit strong, but if you do the math, corruption and relentless upward distribution are the same thing in terms of national accounting. Do the math and youll see. ..."
"... When talking about corruption, everybody focuses on illicit flows of payments, which is of course a primary factor, but I would say the greasing of hands is not the most damaging part, rather it is the associated dereliction of duty and shaping policy and decision making, and initiation, selection, or prioritization of projects not to serve the public benefit (or that of the organizations involved) but to arrange private advantages. ..."
"... the largest problem is not the driving up of the cost though thats bad enough, but the corruption of the very decision making which inevitably leads to not delivering what was needed or requested, but something counterproductive (and not rarely in a way that conveniently enables the next round of graft). ..."
"... In the days of the notoriously corrupt Tammany Hall they used to talk about honest corruption and dishonest corruption. The idea is that honest corruption got the thing built or done, even if the cost was incredibly bloated. Tammany Hall made a point of distributing the loot up and down the line. The big guys would get millions, but every worker on the job got bonus pay, fake overtime and spare parts . ..."
Nov 05, 2015 | Economist's View

From IMF-direct:

The "C word": A Hidden Tax on Growth, by Vitor Gaspar and Sean Hagan: In recent years, citizens' concerns about allegations of corruption in the public sector have become more visible and widespread. From São Paulo to Johannesburg, citizens have taken to the streets against graft. In countries like Chile, Guatemala, India, Iraq, Malaysia and Ukraine, they are sending a clear and loud message to their leaders: Address corruption!
Policymakers are paying attention too. Discussing the "C word" has long been a sensitive topic at inter-governmental organizations like the International Monetary Fund. But earlier this month at its Annual Meetings in Lima, Peru, the IMF hosted a refreshingly frank discussion on the subject. The panel session provided a stimulating debate on definitions of corruption, its direct and indirect consequences, and strategies for addressing it, including the role that individuals and institutions such as the IMF can play. This blog gives a flavor of the discussion. ...

Ignacio said...

Here goes the IMF:

"Openness of the economy through deregulation and liberalization will also help since overly-regulated economies create strong incentives to maintain corrupt practices."

Deregulation, of course. A semantic trick so typical of the IMF. Openness is fair and to manage openness you may need a clear regulatory framework that provides rules and clarity with strong institutions that can ensure compliance. Pushing all the time for deregulation is ideological bias.

djb -> anne...

I like the idea of economist studying the economic effects of corruption. One of the benefits, of course, is that it will bring more to light these rationalizations like the one Ignacio brings up. So if only we didn't have laws against shoplifting then the shoplifter would not have to hide what he was doing or be guilty of a crime

am

Professor Stephenson of Harvard has a very good blog on corruption well worth a look. http://globalanticorruptionblog.com/

kaleberg said...

Corruption is a tax on growth just as inequality is a tax on growth. Money that could be spent on improving conditions overall winds up in the hands of a small wealthy oligarchy. The only real difference is legalistic. Technically corruption involves some type of illegality, but the end results are the same.

This may sound a bit strong, but if you do the math, corruption and relentless upward distribution are the same thing in terms of national accounting. Do the math and you'll see.

cm -> kaleberg...

When talking about corruption, everybody focuses on illicit flows of payments, which is of course a primary factor, but I would say the greasing of hands is not the most damaging part, rather it is the associated dereliction of duty and shaping policy and decision making, and initiation, selection, or prioritization of projects not to serve the public benefit (or that of the organizations involved) but to arrange private advantages.

If it were only about the money, it would be more like being slightly overcharged on the bill, but still getting what you ordered or needed.

cm -> cm...

Of course not to forget the lining of pockets. But my main point still stands - the largest problem is not the driving up of the cost though that's bad enough, but the corruption of the very decision making which inevitably leads to not delivering what was needed or requested, but something counterproductive (and not rarely in a way that "conveniently" enables the next round of graft).

kaleberg -> cm...

In the days of the notoriously corrupt Tammany Hall they used to talk about honest corruption and dishonest corruption. The idea is that honest corruption got the thing built or done, even if the cost was incredibly bloated. Tammany Hall made a point of distributing the loot up and down the line. The big guys would get millions, but every worker on the job got bonus pay, fake overtime and "spare parts".

likbez said...

IMF neoliberal perspective on governance failed to highlight the major source of corruption -- neoliberalism as a social system.

Over recent years, IMF and World Bank have been promoting an artificially constructed discourse on corruption that separates it from its historic narrative -- the neoliberal political system under which it now flourish. They use pretty elaborate smoke screen designed to hide the key issues under the set of fuzzy terms such as "transparency", "accountability", "governance", "anticorruption initiatives". Ignoring the socio-political role of corruption as the key mechanism of the neoliberal debt enslavement of peripheral nations (see Confessions of an Economic Hit Man - Wikipedia )

Privatization might well be the most widespread type of corruption which occurs when an office-holder or other governmental employee acts in an official capacity to sell government property for pennies on the dollar to local oligarchs of international companies. With delayed payment via the "revolving door" mechanism.

If we assume that corruption is 'illegitimate use of public power to benefit a private interest" then neoliberalism is the most corrupt social system imaginable.
But in neoliberal ideology only the state is responsible for corruption. The private sector under neoliberalism is immune of any responsibility. In reality it is completely opposite and state represents a barrier to private companies especially international sharks to get unfair advantage. And they can use the USA embassy as a source of pressure instead of bribing government officials. Neoliberals argues without any proof that if the market is let to function through its own mechanisms, and the role of state diminished to a minimum regulatory role, "good governance" could be realized and corruption be diminished. As US subprime crisis has shown this is untrue and destroys the stability of the economy.

Actually the term "governance" serves as the magical universal opener in neoliberal ideology. It is ideologically grounded up the narrative of previous mismanagement of economy ("blame the predecessor" trick).

This assumes the ideal economic sphere, in which players somehow get an equal opportunities automatically without regulatory role of the state and in case of peripheral nations without being strong armed by more powerful states. Under neoliberalism ethical responsibilities on players are reduced to the loyalty to contract.

Moreover antisocial behavior under liberalism is explicitly promoted (" greed is good") and the West serves as a "treasure vault" for stolen money and provides "safe heaven" for corrupt officials that face prosecution. At least this is true for Russian oligarchs when each crook automatically became "fighter for freedom" after landing in London airport and stolen money are indirectly appropriated by British state and never returned to Russia.

The USA is very similar. It likes to condemn corruption but seldom returns that money stolen -- for example it never returned to Ukraine money stolen by Ukrainian Prime minister under President Kuchma Pavlo Lazarenko (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavlo_Lazarenko) .

gunste said...

Applied Republican ideology is operating and legislating in favor of money donors and their businesses. It is America's legalized corruption and bribery.

[Nov 04, 2015] Fifty Shades of Tax Dodging: How EU Helps Support Unjust Global Tax Systems

www.nakedcapitalism.com

Yves here. Tax is a major way to create incentives. New York City increased taxes dramatically on cigarettes, and has tough sanctions for trying to smuggle meaningful amounts of lower-taxed smokes in. Rates of smoking did indeed fall as intended.

Thus the debate about whether corporations should pay more taxes is not "naive" as the plutocrats would have you believe; in fact, they wouldn't be making such a big deal over it if it were. In the 1950s, a much larger percentage of total tax collections fell on corporations than individuals. And the political message was clear: the capitalist classes needed to bear a fair share of the total tax burden. Similarly, what has been the result of the preservation of a loophole that allows the labor of hedge fund and private equity fund employees to be taxed at preferential capital gains rates? A flood of "talent" into those professions at the expense of productive enterprise.

And the result of having lower taxes on companies has been a record-high corporate profit share of GDP, with none of the supposed benefits of giving businesses a break. Contrary to their PR, large companies have been net saving, which means liquidating, since the early 2000s. The trend has become more obvious in recent years as companies have borrowed money to buy back their own stock.

Originally published at the Tax Justice Network

In the past year, scandal after scandal has exposed companies using loopholes in the tax system to avoid taxation. Now more than ever, it is becoming clear that citizens around the world are paying a high price for the crisis in the global tax system, and the discussion about multinational corporations and their tax tricks remains at the top of the agenda. There is also a growing awareness that the world's poorest countries are even harder impacted than the richest countries. In effect, the poorest countries are paying the price for a global tax system they did not create.

A large number of the scandals that emerged over the past year have strong links to the EU and its Member States. Many eyes have therefore turned to the EU leaders, who claim that the problem is being solved and the public need not worry. But what is really going on? What is the role of the EU in the unjust global tax system, and are EU leaders really solving the problem?

This report – the third in a series of reports – scrutinises the role of the EU in the global tax crisis, analyses developments and suggests concrete solutions. It is written by civil society organisations (CSOs) in 14 countries across the EU. Experts in each CSO have examined their national governments' commitments and actions in terms of combating tax dodging and ensuring transparency.

Each country is directly compared with its fellow EU Member States on four critical issues: the fairness of their tax treaties with developing countries; their willingness to put an end to anonymous shell companies and trusts; their support for increasing the transparency of economic activities and tax payments of multinational corporations; and their attitude towards letting the poorest countries have a seat at the table when global tax standards are negotiated. For the first time, this report not only rates the performance of EU Member States, but also turns the spotlight on the European Commission and Parliament too.

This report covers national policies and governments' positions on existing and upcoming EU level laws, as well as global reform proposals.

Overall, the report finds that:

• Although tweaks have been made and some loopholes have been closed, the complex and dysfunctional EU system of corporate tax rulings, treaties, letterbox companies and special corporate tax regimes still remains in place. On some matters, such as the controversial patent boxes, the damaging policies seem to be spreading in Europe. Defence mechanisms against 'harmful tax practices' that have been introduced by governments, only seem partially effective and are not available to most developing countries. They are also undermined by a strong political commitment to continue so-called 'tax competition' between governments trying to attract multinational corporations with lucrative tax reduction opportunities – also known as the 'race to the bottom on corporate taxation'. The result is an EU tax system that still allows a wide range of options for tax dodging by multinational corporations.

• On the question of what multinational corporations pay in taxes and where they do business, EU citizens, parliamentarians and journalists are still left in the dark, as are developing countries. The political promises to introduce 'transparency' turned out to mean that tax administrations in developed countries, through cumbersome and highly secretive processes, will exchange information about multinational corporations that the public is not allowed to see. On a more positive note, some light is now being shed on the question of who actually owns the companies operating in our societies, as more and more countries introduce public or partially public registers of beneficial owners. Unfortunately, this positive development is being somewhat challenged by the emergence of new types of mechanisms to conceal ownership, such as new types of trusts.

• Leaked information has become the key source of public information about tax dodging by multinational corporations. But it comes at a high price for the people involved, as whistleblowers and even a journalist who revealed tax dodging by multinational corporations are now being prosecuted and could face years in prison. The stories of these 'Tax Justice Heroes' are a harsh illustration of the wider social cost of the secretive and opaque corporate tax system that currently prevails.

• More than 100 developing countries still remain excluded from decision-making processes when global tax standards and rules are being decided. In 2015, developing countries made the fight for global tax democracy their key battle during the Financing for Development conference (FfD) in Addis Ababa. But the EU took a hard line against this demand and played a key role in blocking the proposal for a truly global tax body.

Not one single EU Member State challenged this approach and, as a result, decision-making on global tax standards and rules remains within a closed 'club of rich countries'.

A direct comparison of the 15 EU countries covered in this report finds that:

To read a summary of the report, please click here.

A summary of the report is here.

The full report is here or here.

Stephen Rhodes, November 3, 2015 at 11:00 am

Or try this, kids:

Class Actions vs. Individual Prosecutions
Jed S. Rakoff NOVEMBER 19, 2015 NYRB
Entrepreneurial Litigation: Its Rise, Fall, and Future
by John C. Coffee Jr.
Harvard University Press, 307 pp., $45.00

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2015/nov/19/cure-corporate-wrongdoing-class-actions/

[Nov 02, 2015] Foreign Banks Such as Deutsche Using Variant of Lehman Repo 105 Balance-Sheet Tarting Up Strategy

Notable quotes:
"... Lehman was engaging in blatant misreporting, treating these "repos" (in which a bank still shows them on its balance sheet as sold with the obligation to repurchase) as sales ..."
"... "It also emerges that the NY Fed, and thus Timothy Geithner, were at a minimum massively derelict in the performance of their duties, and may well be culpable in aiding and abetting Lehman in accounting fraud and Sarbox violations…." ..."
"... Although I hope the bank's newly appointed CEO is able to implement measures to rectify these problems, if DB "goes Lehman", I suspect it will occur much as Lehman did: quite suddenly. ..."
"... The 5% "fee" referred to in the fourth paragraph of the FT excerpt above is not the interest rate charged on the loan but instead is the over-collateralization amount provided by Lehman in exchange for a short-term cash loan. A normal repo loan is over-collateralized at perhaps 2%. Lehman's and its outside auditors Ernst Young's 'genius' was in discovering some language in 2001 or so in the then recently amended FAS 157 accounting guidance (all such guidance has been revised and renumbered in the meantime) which suggested indirectly that if the rate of over-collateralization was bumped up enough, you could pretend you sold the collateral instead of pledging it as collateral. So instead of pledging the normal 102% of the loan amount in collateral, Lehman asked lenders to please take more than that: 105%, hence "Repo 105." ..."
"... Most of Lehman's lenders wouldn't touch the scam because it was so obvious, but a few non-U.S. banks were happy to oblige Lehman. One was Deutsche Bank, to the tune of many billions of dollars over the years. Not that that had anything to do with ex-Deutsche General Counsel for the Americas Rob Khuzami's decision, once he became Obama's Enforcement Head at the SEC beginning in 2009, to give Lehman, EY, Deutsche and the other lenders a pass on all that. ..."
"... In no way did the drafters of the accounting guidance ever say, here's a way to scam the market, have at it. But then again those drafters are a committee of CPAs from all the big firms and elsewhere, including several from EY. So who knows how deliberate the set up was. ..."
"... Deutsche Bank has hugely profited from the end of the Deutschland AG at which head it once was. Thanks to chancellour Schroeder and his finance minister Eichle (the successor after Lafontaine was kicked who went on to found the left party) Deutsche and the other big German banks got to sell their industry portfolios without paying a penny of tax. It is common knowledge among industry watchers that this money ended up as bonuses for the "masters of the universe" at the Anglo-Saxon part of the bank which basically took over the whole bank. First invisibly and then all to visible when Jain became CEO. German industry is now owned by Blackrock and the like. Homi soit qui mal y pense ..."
"... Geithner's amorality and dereliction of duty has been apparent since his testimony in Starr v USA. Somehow these big names are protected by the supine media. ..."
"... Couldn't the NY State Superintendent of Financial Services pull Deutsche's U.S. Banking License? I thought this is what Ben Lawsky was intimating in this (nearly) one year old interview on Bloomberg, in which he (hints at?) the pulling of Deutsche's license, even though he was not at the time talking about Repo 105 ..."
Nov 02, 2015 | naked capitalism
Deep Thought

Lehman was engaging in blatant misreporting, treating these "repos" (in which a bank still shows them on its balance sheet as sold with the obligation to repurchase) as sales

Thank you for writing this bit. All the explanations I've read of Repo 105 seemed to be missing the step where liabilities were actually reduced – because what's the difference between an asset and an obligation/contract to buy said asset in X hours time?

So I'm glad a more financially astute mind than mind wrote down what I'd suspected, that real liabilities weren't actually reduced by Repo 105 and it's just window dressing to fool the regulators. I'd hazard that it actually makes the situation worse, because it's pretty expensive window dressing and that's real cash that has to head out the door once a quarter.

tawal

Turning all the brokerages into bank holding companies, where now they all have a calendar year end and can't temporarily hide their trash on each other's books, but can all hide it on the Fed's unaudited balance sheet.

Why isn't Deutsche Bank doing this too, and are UBS, Barclays and HSBC the next to fail?

fresno dan

"It also emerges that the NY Fed, and thus Timothy Geithner, were at a minimum massively derelict in the performance of their duties, and may well be culpable in aiding and abetting Lehman in accounting fraud and Sarbox violations…."

Upon finding this out, tire squeal, sirens wail, lights flash, and grim faced men rush to take into custody little Timmy Geithner and serve warrants a the New York FED….

LOL – of course not. Most government officials, of BOTH parties, would say Timmy Geithner and his ilk performed fantastically….
After all, he worked hard to prop it up…. If you remove the corruption, the double and self dealing, price fixing, fraud, ad infinitum, and how could the system continue as constituted? And the people at the top of the system thinks it works very well indeed.

Chauncey Gardiner

This issue is unsurprising to me. Many signs over the past couple years of deeply troubling matters at this TBTF: CEO resignations, NY Fed criticisms of systems and financial reporting (as Yves pointed out), participation in market manipulations, billions in writedowns, suicide death of bank's regulatory lawyer, massive derivatives exposures, central bank calls for increased capital, etc.

Although I hope the bank's newly appointed CEO is able to implement measures to rectify these problems, if DB "goes Lehman", I suspect it will occur much as Lehman did: quite suddenly.

Recalling Ernest Hemingway in "The Sun Also Rises":
"How did you go bankrupt?" Bill asked.
"Two ways," Mike said. "Gradually and then suddenly."

JustAnObserver

  • Deutche Bank = Germany's RBS (Royal Bank of Scotland) ?
  • All the Eurozone's nightmares since 2010 have been down to a desperate attempt to postpone DB's "Minsky Moment" ?

I did see a report that DB is withdrawing from a number of countries but Wall Street wasn't on that list. Interestingly the list includes all the Scandinavian countries as well as the usual suspects – Mexico, Turkey, Saudi, etc.

Oliver Budde

The 5% "fee" referred to in the fourth paragraph of the FT excerpt above is not the interest rate charged on the loan but instead is the over-collateralization amount provided by Lehman in exchange for a short-term cash loan. A normal repo loan is over-collateralized at perhaps 2%. Lehman's and its outside auditors Ernst & Young's 'genius' was in discovering some language in 2001 or so in the then recently amended FAS 157 accounting guidance (all such guidance has been revised and renumbered in the meantime) which suggested indirectly that if the rate of over-collateralization was bumped up enough, you could pretend you sold the collateral instead of pledging it as collateral. So instead of pledging the normal 102% of the loan amount in collateral, Lehman asked lenders to please take more than that: 105%, hence "Repo 105."

Most of Lehman's lenders wouldn't touch the scam because it was so obvious, but a few non-U.S. banks were happy to oblige Lehman. One was Deutsche Bank, to the tune of many billions of dollars over the years. Not that that had anything to do with ex-Deutsche General Counsel for the Americas Rob Khuzami's decision, once he became Obama's Enforcement Head at the SEC beginning in 2009, to give Lehman, EY, Deutsche and the other lenders a pass on all that.

The few banks who did dare to help out Lehman of course charged higher than market rates for those loans, even though they held an extra 3% in collateral, which was always made up of high quality Treasury bonds and the like. Those lenders charged more anyway, because they knew what Lehman was up to and knew they could wring out some extra cash in exchange for 'aiding' Lehman in its needs. Lehman gladly paid the higher interest.

In no way did the drafters of the accounting guidance ever say, here's a way to scam the market, have at it. But then again those drafters are a committee of CPAs from all the big firms and elsewhere, including several from EY. So who knows how deliberate the set up was.

The scam began in 2001 or so and while it may not have been what blew up Lehman in 2008, it did importantly mislead a lot of people in 2007 and 2008, when its use was ramped up dramatically. And it put extra bonus money into the Lehman executives' pockets, year in and year out. No wonder others seek to emulate it.

Tom

Deutsche Bank has hugely profited from the end of the Deutschland AG at which head it once was. Thanks to chancellour Schroeder and his finance minister Eichle (the successor after Lafontaine was kicked who went on to found the left party) Deutsche and the other big German banks got to sell their industry portfolios without paying a penny of tax. It is common knowledge among industry watchers that this money ended up as bonuses for the "masters of the universe" at the Anglo-Saxon part of the bank which basically took over the whole bank. First invisibly and then all to visible when Jain became CEO. German industry is now owned by Blackrock and the like. Homi soit qui mal y pense

RBHoughton

Geithner's amorality and dereliction of duty has been apparent since his testimony in Starr v USA. Somehow these big names are protected by the supine media.

Thank Heavens for NC – one of the most important of a handful of sites that fearlessly report. Fingers crossed we can build a new media industry around this nexus of quality.

Pearl

Yves,

Couldn't the NY State Superintendent of Financial Services pull Deutsche's U.S. Banking License? I thought this is what Ben Lawsky was intimating in this (nearly) one year old interview on Bloomberg, in which he (hints at?) the pulling of Deutsche's license, even though he was not at the time talking about Repo 105:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2014-12-11/banks-are-taking-cybersecurity-seriously-lawsky-says-video

I know it may not be likely that Deutsche's U.S. banking license would get pulled, but it is possible, isn't it?

(btw, here is what Lawsky is doing now:)

http://nypost.com/2015/05/20/ny-financial-watchdog-ben-lawsky-leaving-to-start-firm/

If enough folks became vocal (enough) about the issue–couldn't we make a difference this time? ("We," as in ordinary housewives from Roswell, GA and humble bloggers such as the illustrious Yves Smith?".) ;-)

I think you are waaaay more famous than you think you are, Yves. Indeed, you are universally one of the most well-respected and straight-shooting authors/academics/authorities on such subjects. And I think Mr. Lawsky would take your call or reply to an email if written by you.

I spoke with his staff (yes, me–a housewife from Roswell, GA) when he was at DFS during my "Ocwiteration Perseveration" days of yore, and his staff was unusually generous with their time and they seemed genuinely appreciative to get info and feedback from just regular folks.

I think Mr. Lawsky himself would be thrilled to hear from someone like you. And I think the two of you would be an extremely formidable team.

I just don't want to give up on this. It's too important. At the very least, I will forward to him this post of yours.

Thanks again for everything you do, Yves.

[Nov 02, 2015] Dilemmas of Domination The Unmaking of the American Empire

Notable quotes:
"... Dilemmas of Domination contends that the US has entered into a period of decline as the world's hegemon. ..."
"... Because the US dominates international financial institutions like the IMF, World Bank and most of the regional development banks, their imposition of neo-liberal structural adjustments programs has led to a revolt against their destructive policies as witnessed by the left ferment especially in Latin America but also in the rest of the global South. ..."
"... I've read lots of books about globalization and free trade but none exposes the uneven playing field of free trade as good as Walden Bello. He shows that not only the evenness of playing field but also how the way U.S. is imprudently trying to dominate the world by adapting short sighted policies. These kind of policies have become the distinctive mark of recent American ideology domestically and foreign. ..."
American Empire Project

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Dilemmas indeed, April 28, 2005

The problems of the US mount daily from a ballooning deficit to heightened opposition from multiplying points on the globe. Walden Bello's Dilemmas of Domination is a tour de force dissection of the causes of these mounting problems.

He argues from an objective and non-partisan position in the global South. Because he primarily works outside of the US and because his method relies heavily on history, his account is compelling.

Dilemmas of Domination contends that the US has entered into a period of decline as the world's hegemon. Three crises characterize the loss of power and prestige.

  • The first crisis is the problem of manufacturing and raw materials overproduction that leads to a decline in profits, and as wages are squeezed to stabilize profits demand falls further. Added to these problems is the fact that the US, the consumer of last resort, cannot continue to borrow and buy forever. The IOUs to the rest of the world will eventually have to be repaid.
  • A second critical problem is military overextension. According to Bello, the wars on Afghanistan and Iraq demonstrate the US is not invincible. If it were, how could guerillas continue to move about these occupied nations so freely and make nation-building into such a farce? The US military is so strained that it has to hire mercenaries from companies like Blackwater to protect its corporate interests abroad because a draft would undermine all of its imperial adventures.
  • The third crisis, perhaps the most enduring, is legitimacy. Ideologically, the US has lost its currency to lead the world. Because the US dominates international financial institutions like the IMF, World Bank and most of the regional development banks, their imposition of neo-liberal structural adjustments programs has led to a revolt against their destructive policies as witnessed by the left ferment especially in Latin America but also in the rest of the global South. Furthermore, the US bullying and sometimes insulting treatment of the UN has further sullied the US's reputation. Added to this international delegitimation is the quagmire of domestic politics from the surrender of civil liberties to the patently obvious corporate control of both major parties. For readers looking for a rich and clear formulation of why the US government is detested and feared by much of the earth's population this is the best primer.

Khalid S. Al Khateron October 26, 2005

Free trade as a tool for domination

I've read lots of books about globalization and free trade but none exposes the uneven playing field of free trade as good as Walden Bello. He shows that not only the evenness of playing field but also how the way U.S. is imprudently trying to dominate the world by adapting short sighted policies. These kind of policies have become the distinctive mark of recent American ideology domestically and foreign.

Luc REYNAERT, November 4, 2005

The weak must hang together, otherwise they hang separately

In this stringent view from the South, Walden Bello discerns three different crisis levels beleaguering the US world domination: a military, a judicial and an economical level.

On the military front, the Iraq war shows clearly the limits of interventions: 'today the entire US military is either in Iraq, returning from Iraq or getting ready to go.' The lesson for the South is that the US military supremacy can be brought to a halt with guerrilla warfare. A sledgehammer is useless in swatting flies.

On the judicial front, the US is loosing its legitimacy. In Western societies, enhancement of individual freedom and democratic representation are the ideological cornerstones of the regime. Nationally, recognized human rights (no access to personal information, privacy) are jeopardized in the US by the Patriot Act in the name of the war against terrorism. For Walden Bello, the US government is becoming authoritarian, because it is in the hands of the military-industrial complex, which functions on a risk-free, cost-plus basis and grabs one half of the US budget. He quotes judiciously William Pfaff: 'The military is already the most powerful institution in the US government, largely unaccountable to the executive branch.'

Internationally, consensus and multilateralism are needed through international institutions. However, the US behaves unilaterally. Dealings with the South are subordinated to strategic considerations (R. Zoellick: 'countries that seek free trade agreements with the US must cooperate on its foreign policy goals.') Walden Bello's analysis of the WTO agreements is devastating. He calls them a free trade monopoly in the hands of corporate interests. WTO's agreement on Agriculture is not less than 'Socialism for the Rich'. The result is that the US democratic messianism is seen as sheer hypocrisy by the rest of the world.

Economically, some of Walden Bello's arguments are a little of the mark. Finite natural resources and ecological space are demographic problems. The conflict between a minority in command of assets and the majority of the population is a trade union and an election problem. But some of his arguments are to the point. There is a widening inequality gap in the US: the richest 1% of the population pocketed more than half the benefit of the latest tax reduction. The actual US budget and trade deficits are unsustainable in the long run and certainly if the inflow of foreign capital comes to a halt.

Finally, there is a new hegemon at the horizon: China with its state-assisted capitalism. The author summarizes brilliantly China's behavior: 'nations have no permanent friends, only permanent interests.'

But what should the South do in the meantime: regional economic blocks, G-20, South-South cooperation, because 'the weak must hang together, otherwise they will hang separately'.

Walden Bello's hard hitting analysis of current events should be a vademecum for all politiciams and laymen. A must read. In this context, I also recommend the works of Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed and Noreena Hertz.

[Oct 31, 2015] No Real Chance of Another Financial Crisis - Silly

Notable quotes:
"... The difficulty we have in the economics profession, I fear, is a great deal of herd instinct and concern about what others may say. And when the Fed runs their policy pennants up the flagpole, only someone truly secure in their thinking, or forsworn to some strong ideological interpretation of reality or bias if we are truly honest, dare not salute it. ..."
"... But it makes the point which I have made over and again, that all of the economic models are faulty and merely a caricature of reality. And therefore policy ought not to be dictated by models, but by policy objectives and a strong bias to results, rather than the dictates of process or methods. In this FDR had it exactly right. If we find something does not stimulate the broader economy or effect the desired policy objective, like tax cuts for the rich, using that approach over and over again is certainly not going to be effective. ..."
"... Economics are a form of social and political science. And with the political and social process corrupted by big money, what can we expect from would be philosopher kings. ..."
"... The interconnectedness of the global system with its massive and underregulated TBTF Banks, the widespread and often fraudulent mispricing of risk, all make cause for a financial system to be fragile. In this thinking Nassim Taleb is far ahead of the common economic thought as a real systems thinker. The Fed is not a systemic thinking organization because they are owned by the financial status quo, and real systemic reform rarely comes from within. ..."
"... So Mr. Baker, rather than looking for the bubble, lets say we have a fragile system still disordered and mispricing risk, with a few very large banks engaging in reckless speculation, mispricing risk for short term profits, manipulating markets, and distorting the processes designed to maintain a balance in the economy. Rather than hold out for a new bubble as your criterion, perhaps we may also consider that the patient is still on full life support after the last bubble and crisis. Why do we need to find a new source of malady when the old one is still having its way? ..."
"... A new crisis does not have to happen. This is the vain comfort in these sorts of black swan events, being hard to predict. But they can be more likely given the right conditions, and I fear little will be done about this one until even those who are quite personally comfortable with things as they are begin to feel the pain, ..."
"... neither Irwin nor anyone else has even identified a serious candidate. Until someone can at least give us their candidate bubble, we need not take the financial crisis story seriously. ..."
"... If we take this collapse story off the table, then we need to reframe the negative scenario. It is not a sudden plunge in output, but rather a period of slow growth and weak job creation. This seems like a much more plausible story... ..."
jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com

I like Dean Baker quite well, and often link to his columns. On most things we are pretty much on the same page.

And to his credit he was one of the few 'mainstream' economists to actually see the housing bubble developing, and call it out. Some may claim to have done so, and can even cite a sentence or two where they may have mentioned it, like Paul Krugman for example. But very few spoke about doing something about it while it was in progress. The Fed was aware according to their own minutes, and ignored it.

The difficulty we have in the economics profession, I fear, is a great deal of herd instinct and concern about what others may say. And when the Fed runs their policy pennants up the flagpole, only someone truly secure in their thinking, or forsworn to some strong ideological interpretation of reality or bias if we are truly honest, dare not salute it.

Am I such a person? Do I actually see a fragile financial system that is still corrupt and highly levered, grossly mispricing risks? Or am I just seeing things the way in which I wish to see them?

That difficulty arises because economics is no science. It involves judgment and principles, and weighs the facts far too heavily based upon 'reputation' and 'status.' And of course I have none of those and wish none.

But it makes the point which I have made over and again, that all of the economic models are faulty and merely a caricature of reality. And therefore policy ought not to be dictated by models, but by policy objectives and a strong bias to results, rather than the dictates of process or methods. In this FDR had it exactly right. If we find something does not stimulate the broader economy or effect the desired policy objective, like tax cuts for the rich, using that approach over and over again is certainly not going to be effective.

Economics are a form of social and political science. And with the political and social process corrupted by big money, what can we expect from would be 'philosopher kings.'

The housing bubble was no 'cause' of the latest financial crisis. More properly it was the tinder and the trigger event. The S&L crisis was just as great, if not greater. Why then did it not bring the global financial system to its knees?

The interconnectedness of the global system with its massive and underregulated TBTF Banks, the widespread and often fraudulent mispricing of risk, all make cause for a financial system to be 'fragile.' In this thinking Nassim Taleb is far ahead of the common economic thought as a real 'systems thinker.' The Fed is not a systemic thinking organization because they are owned by the financial status quo, and real systemic reform rarely comes from within.

I see the same fragility which existed from 1999 to 2008 still in the system, only grown larger, global, and more profoundly influencing the political processes.

The only question is what 'trigger event' might set it spinning, and how great of a magnitude will it have to be in order to do so. The more fragile the system, the less that is required to knock it off its underpinnings.

And a crisis is not a binary event. There is the 'trigger' and the dawning perception of risks, and the initial responses of the political, social, and regulatory powers.

There is no point in debating this, because the regulators and powerful groups like the Fed are caught in a credibility trap, which prevents them from seeing things as they are, and saying so.

So Mr. Baker, rather than looking for the bubble, let's say we have a fragile system still disordered and mispricing risk, with a few very large banks engaging in reckless speculation, mispricing risk for short term profits, manipulating markets, and distorting the processes designed to maintain a balance in the economy. Rather than hold out for a 'new bubble' as your criterion, perhaps we may also consider that the patient is still on full life support after the last bubble and crisis. Why do we need to find a new source of malady when the old one is still having its way?

I think if one exercises clear and open judgement, they can see that we have stirred up the same pot of witches brew that has made the system fragile and vulnerable to an exogenous shock, and has kept it so.

A new crisis does not have to happen. This is the vain comfort in these sorts of 'black swan' events, being hard to predict. But they can be more likely given the right conditions, and I fear little will be done about this one until even those who are quite personally comfortable with things as they are begin to feel the pain,

The problem is not a 'bubble.' The problem is pervasive corruption, fraud, and lack of meaningful reform. The 'candidate' is the financial system itself, with its outsized hedge funds and the TBTF Banks with their serial crime sprees and accommodative regulators in particular.

And if one cannot see that in this rotten system with its brazenly narrow rewarding of a select few with the bulk of new income, then there is little more that can be said.

Neil Irwin, a writer for the NYT Upshot section, had an interesting debate with himself about the likely future course of the economy. He got the picture mostly right in my view, with a few important qualifications.

"First, his negative scenario is another recession and possibly a financial crisis. I know a lot of folks are saying this stuff, but it's frankly a little silly. The basis of the last financial crisis was a massive amount of debt issued against a hugely over-valued asset (housing). A financial crisis that actually rocks the economy needs this sort of basis.

If a lot of people are speculating in the stock of Uber or other wonder companies, and reality wipes them out, this is just a story of some speculators being wiped out. It is not going to shake the economy as a whole. (San Francisco's economy could take a serious hit.)

Anyhow, financial crises don't just happen, there has to be a real basis for them. To me the housing bubble was pretty obvious given the unprecedented and unexplained run-up in prices in the largest market in the world. Perhaps there is another bubble out there like this, but neither Irwin nor anyone else has even identified a serious candidate. Until someone can at least give us their candidate bubble, we need not take the financial crisis story seriously.

If we take this collapse story off the table, then we need to reframe the negative scenario. It is not a sudden plunge in output, but rather a period of slow growth and weak job creation. This seems like a much more plausible story...

Anyhow, a story of slow job growth and ongoing wage stagnation would look like a pretty bad story to most of the country. It may not be as dramatic as a financial crisis that brings the world banking system to its knees, but it is far more likely and therefore something that we should be very worried about."

Dean Baker, Debating the Economy with Neil Irwin, 31 October 2015

[Oct 31, 2015] All Knew That This Interest Was Somehow The Cause of the War

Notable quotes:
"... encouraging ..."
"... Wage slavery is VERY different from chattel slavery. The danger of ignoring that difference is that it obscures the intimate connection between the two, which is the legal institution of private property. ..."
"... The Roman law of property derived by analogy from conditions of slave ownership. Owning land is an analog of owning slaves. ..."
"... Born in debt. Live in debt. Die in debt. The one thing they got right: human slavery is so distasteful we can't do it openly anymore. But wage slavery is just fine, especially debt peonage. No one can complain if you get yourself into debt, just if someone else puts you there. ..."
"... I hate my job. I am de facto a day laborer, delivering items as and when my boss tells me to. As a former university professor, this is a hard blow. But to say I and 99.9% of the population are coffled is pure nonsense. My situation is lousy. But comparing what the black slaves went through with what I am going through is like saying the internment camps which held the Japanese-Americans were the same as the death camps in Nazi Germany. One was bad, the other indescribably worse. Not all evils are identical or commensurate. ..."
"... Any adequate reading of the history of the Civil War will show that the 11 Confederate States destroyed themselves out of lust to extend slavery to the northwestern states. They had through "compromises" extended slavery to the states south of Missouri already. The threat of urbanization and immigration creating enough free voters to outvote their 1.6 people gerrymanders terrified the Southern powers-that-be to the point of pre-emptive war. Read the Secession declarations of each state; believe them for what they say, not the subsequent reunion-period histories. ..."
"... The economic benefits of the internal slave breeding industry were matched by the political benefits; they could try to outbreed the Northern increase through immigration and make profits off sales to western states. ..."
"... David Graeber's book (Debt: The first 5000 years) convincingly relates debt directly to slavery, real slavery. Creditors ("masters") rigged the game, took all their debtors assets, and when there was nothing left for them to take, they took them, as slaves. Or their wives, daughters, sons. I know, ancient slavery was different in some respects; slaves could earn their way out or be "redeemed" by a family member or other creditor. (And there was the Jubilee year – I have to read Michael Hudson on that someday.) I can accept that American chattel slavery was distinct and diabolical, but it was an intense form of something that seems to have been with us, humanity, for a long time. ..."
"... The westward expansion after the War of 1812 and the closure of the overseas slave trade in 1808 created the conditions for the internal slave breeding industry with its generation of roving coffles and slave traders, it major slave markets, a good many of which have been preserved, and its new forms of finance and legal entities. ..."
"... Yes, Graeber's book is excellent on this point: "Slavery is the ultimate form of being ripped from one's context, and thus from all social relationships that make one a human being. Another way to put this is that the slave is, in a very real sense, dead." ..."
"... The important point. The United States of America (Lincoln) did not want to fight. The abolitionists were a minority. The Southern media (newspaper editors) freaked out like to media shock jocks did over the election of Barack Obama. Unlike this time around, at least so far, the Southern states were stampeded by their elites into seceding; the state legislatures and governors were part of those elites. In the midst of the tension Edmund Ruffin, a pro-secessionist rabble-rouser from Virginia went to Charleston SC, and with the help of military school Citadel and Arsenal cadets, and SC militia, conducted a coast artillery attack on the closest military installation – Fort Sumter. And reactions escalated, very much like the diplomatic environment after the the 1914 assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand. And they escalated because the Southern hotheads wanted war. ..."
"... Regarding the coffle, it seems this is early capitalism's answer to the "Trail of Tears" and the famous "Bataan Death March". Then again, maybe it's not "early" capitalism at all….I'm thinking of Malaysia and the TPP. ..."
"... Many years ago I visited a small slavery museum out in the cotton fields somewhere around Memphis - I forget which side of the river it was on. It was in an old house that might be found anywhere, but more likely in a suburb than far out in the cotton fields, with no other house in view. Even the nearest line of trees was hundreds of yards away. In the largest room they had a lot of chains with large, heavy links, bigger than you would think would be necessary to hold even a very active human being. ..."
"... Slavery in the US was rather tame and short lived in comparison to the slavery practiced by the Muslims and Africans themselves. ..."
"... It was not until 1960 that slavery was outlawed in Saudi Arabia although it may well continue to this day. To really understand large scale slavery we need to go back to the origins of the Muslim movement. ..."
"... Hi Lambert, the book that first put the scope of the slave trading and breeding industries into context for me was The World That Made New Orleans by Ned Sublette. It's a fascinating and terrible account and if I recall correctly, describes some of the slave breeding operations carried out by Thomas Jefferson. ..."
naked capitalism

… About a quarter of those trafficked southward were children between eight and fifteen, purchased away from their families. The majority of coffle prisoners were male: boys who would never again see their mothers, men who would never again see wives and children. … The only age bracket in which females outnumbered males in the trade was twelve to fifteen, when they were as able as the boys to do field labor, and could also bear children. Charles Bell, forcibly taken from Maryland to South Carolina in 1805, recalled that

The women were merely tied together with a rope, about the size of a bed cord, which was tied like a halter round the neck of each; but the men…. were very differently caparisoned. A strong iron collar was closely fitted by means of a padlock around each of our necks. A chain of iron, about a hundred feet in length, was passed through the hasp of each padlock, except at the two ends, where the hasps of the padlock passed through a link in the chain. In addition to this, we were handcuffed in pairs, with iron staples and chains, with a short chain, uniting the handcuffs and their wearers in pairs.

As they tramped along, coffles were typically watched over by whip- and gun-wielding men on horseback and a few dogs, with supply wagons bringing up the rear… The captives were not generally allowed to talk among themselves as they tramped along, but sometimes, in the midst of their suffering, they were made to sing. The English geologist G. W. Featherstonehaugh, who in 1834 happened upon the huge annual Natchez-bound chain gang led by trader John Armfield, noted that "the slave drivers… endeavour to mitigate their discontent by feeding them well on the march, and by encouraging them" - encouraging them? - "to sing 'Old Virginia never tire,' to the banjo. Thomas William Humes, who saw coffles of Virginia-born people passing through Tennessee in shackles on the way to market, wrote; "It was pathetic to see them march, and to hear their melodious voices in plaintive singing as they went."…

From the first American coffles on rough wilderness treks along trails established by the indigenous people, they were the cheapest and most common way to transport captives from one region to another.

The Federally built National (or Cumberland) Road, which by 1818 reached the Ohio River port of Wheeling, Virginia (subsequently West Virginia), was ideal for coffles. It was the nation's first paved highway, with bridges across every creek. Laying out approximately the route of the future US 40, its broken-stone surface provided a westward overland transportation link that began at the Potomac River port of Cumberland, Maryland. From Wheeling, the captives could be shipped by riverboat down to the Mississippi and on to the Deep South's second-largest slave market at Natchez, or further on to the nation's largest slave market, New Orleans.

I'll stop at the demonstration of how Federal infrastructure improve the slave trade's supply chain.

From my vantage point (starting with my family history and where I live), the coffle seems like a work of fiction, a dystopian nightmare written by a demeted sadist. Imagine a hundred or so slaves chained together and being driven down the main street of my small town by dogs and men with whips. And now imagine this scene was normal, and kids coming home from school walked right past it. When do I wake up? (Sure, Rome. But that was thousands of years ago!)

And yet this is not science fiction stuff, or fantasy. It's history. Here's a list of the Presidents who owned slaves:

... ... ...

Conclusion

I focused on the long passage from the Sublette's book because it seemed to me to be an objective correlative for living in the midst of a slave power, and that experience is an important - a critical - part of American history, and I believe that getting the history right is important.

And although I've written I prefer human gift to human rental (wage labor), and human rental to human sale (slavery), I don't have any grand policy pronouncements to make. I do think we need to be leery of using slavery as a metaphor; "wage slavery" is not slavery; where's the coffle? Ditto "debt slavery." (That's not to say that wages and debt are not power relations, because of course they are, but the human reality of the power relations is different.)

So all I can do is ask you to get the image of the coffle firmly in your mind, and children watching one go by. The coffle was a thing. That was what was going on. The whole thing makes me want to take a bath. And we're still living with the complicated and painful consequences of slavery today.

NOTE

Title quotation from Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address.

NOTES


Eric Patton, October 28, 2015 at 11:33 am

And wage slavery isn't all that different from chattel slavery. The propaganda is much better, though.

Plantation owners: capitalists; overseers: coordinators; slaves: workers.


Sandwichman, October 28, 2015 at 1:46 pm

Wage slavery is VERY different from chattel slavery. The danger of ignoring that difference is that it obscures the intimate connection between the two, which is the legal institution of private property.

The Roman law of property derived by analogy from conditions of slave ownership. Owning land is an analog of owning slaves.

David Wayne, October 28, 2015 at 3:06 pm

The thing that stands out to me in this article is the reference that all this is a function of capitalism. All that we are and all that we know is dictated by the needs of capitalism. We don't run capitalism, it runs us. So much so that it is impossible to conceive past that little box you're in to imagine – is this the only way we can live. Born in debt. Live in debt. Die in debt. The one thing they got right: human slavery is so distasteful we can't do it openly anymore. But wage slavery is just fine, especially debt peonage. No one can complain if you get yourself into debt, just if someone else puts you there.

Synoia, October 28, 2015 at 12:27 pm

he had felt it was his patriotic duty as a Virginian

His patriotism was founded on his state, not his country?

a soldier fights for his country-right or wrong-he is not responsible for the political merits of the course he fights in" and that

Was repudiated at Nuremberg, and enshrined on the concept of "War Crimes." However, the attitude it suits many in Washington, DC today.

James Levy, October 28, 2015 at 4:04 pm

I hate my job. I am de facto a day laborer, delivering items as and when my boss tells me to. As a former university professor, this is a hard blow. But to say I and 99.9% of the population are coffled is pure nonsense. My situation is lousy.

But comparing what the black slaves went through with what I am going through is like saying the internment camps which held the Japanese-Americans were the same as the death camps in Nazi Germany. One was bad, the other indescribably worse. Not all evils are identical or commensurate.

Working for a wage is tough, but the number of workers flogged to death, publically whipped, or who had their thumbs legally broken in thumbscrews last year was pretty low. And the number of American workers last year who got raises or left one job for a better one was pretty high in comparison with your average black slave.

So cut the crap about how your job today is "just as bad" as being a slave in pre-1865 America. I can't tell if you sound more like crybabies or idiots.

Jef, October 28, 2015 at 12:31 pm

Cheap almost free oil effectively gives every american 100 to 1000 slaves. Giving up oil will be as or more difficult than giving up the slaves back then.

TarheelDem, October 28, 2015 at 4:15 pm

Any adequate reading of the history of the Civil War will show that the 11 Confederate States destroyed themselves out of lust to extend slavery to the northwestern states. They had through "compromises" extended slavery to the states south of Missouri already. The threat of urbanization and immigration creating enough free voters to outvote their 1.6 people gerrymanders terrified the Southern powers-that-be to the point of pre-emptive war. Read the Secession declarations of each state; believe them for what they say, not the subsequent reunion-period histories.

The economic benefits of the internal slave breeding industry were matched by the political benefits; they could try to outbreed the Northern increase through immigration and make profits off sales to western states.

The financial system relative to international monetary relations was so different in the ante-bellum period that the creation of Confederate money offered little incentive to punishment. Negotiation with foreign financial centers disputing the credibility of the money, yes. Would you take currency from a putative new country that was engaged in a war of secession? But as a causus belli, not likely.

The attempt to frame the United States with the responsibility for the war was primarily a post-bellum propaganda effort in support of restoring white supremacy.

Generalfeldmarschall von Hindenburg, October 28, 2015 at 5:47 pm

Yeah- the southern gentlemen were fully aware that even with the stupid 3/5 compromise, they were going to be on the losing end of a demographic shift if they couldn't expand the slave states. Hence the weird plots to annex Cuba and take over Mexico.

Oguk, October 28, 2015 at 2:43 pm

I don't know if I posted about this or not, but David Graeber's book (Debt: The first 5000 years) convincingly relates debt directly to slavery, real slavery. Creditors ("masters") rigged the game, took all their debtors assets, and when there was nothing left for them to take, they took them, as slaves. Or their wives, daughters, sons. I know, ancient slavery was different in some respects; slaves could earn their way out or be "redeemed" by a family member or other creditor. (And there was the Jubilee year – I have to read Michael Hudson on that someday.) I can accept that American chattel slavery was distinct and diabolical, but it was an intense form of something that seems to have been with us, humanity, for a long time.

2nd comment is that slave narratives, like Solomon Northrup's or Frederick Douglass's, really drive the point of this post home. It is a chilling history.

TarheelDem, October 28, 2015 at 7:43 pm

Graeber's book is excellent on the relationship between debt and slavery, a relationship useful to exploring post-bellum country-store and private debt selling and the debt slavery or working off debt for third parties. Part of this examination of debt slavery should pay attention to the way that debt was accounted for and who did the accounting. Company stores in isolated rural areas were notorious in mining, manufacturing. logging, and agriculture for false books in order to keep people in debt bondage.

But chattel slavery in America has origin in war raids, not indebtedness, war raids that were encouraged by the slave traders and in North America involved aboriginal peoples raiding other aboriginal peoples to provide Amerindian slave for transport from North America to the West Indies even into the 1700s. That arose aside and independent of English traders trading European goods on credit for deerskins (in Virginia and Carolina) and slaves. [Alan Gallay, The Indian Slave Trade: The Rise of the English Empire in the American South, 1670-1717]

The political triangulation of the sweeping frontier balance this slavery, white indentured servitude, and African chattel slavery as balances of forces to preserve the local aristocracy. So three forms of servitude co-existed until 1717, two persisted until African chattel slavery was dramatically profitable in the Tidewater tobacco plantations and Carolina rice and indigo plantations and internal increase of the plantations caught up with labor demand. And the growth of the political confederations of the "Five Civilized Tribes" in the mid-1700s shut down the Indian slave trade. The westward expansion after the War of 1812 and the closure of the overseas slave trade in 1808 created the conditions for the internal slave breeding industry with its generation of roving coffles and slave traders, it major slave markets, a good many of which have been preserved, and its new forms of finance and legal entities. This industry is even visible in census records. Recording the occupations in the 1850 or 1860 census of slave areas in the Carolinas or Virginia, one comes upon a patter in the vicinity of major plantation slaveowners. There are scattered settlements that comprise an overseer, a number of blacksmiths, a waggonmaker, and a wheelwright in close propinquity in a ratio of about one settlement for ever 150 slaves listed as property of the slaveowner. The blacksmiths made and maintained the coffles. The wagon technicians made and repaired the planters fleet for hauling bales or hogsheads. The census lists free men, who rarely are identified as black or mulatto in these areas, generally not in sensitive occupations, such as blacksmith.

Slave traders are generally listed as "merchant". You have to look from specific ads for slaves to figure out how extensive their trading business was.

Justicia, October 28, 2015 at 9:44 pm

Yes, Graeber's book is excellent on this point: "Slavery is the ultimate form of being ripped from one's context, and thus from all social relationships that make one a human being. Another way to put this is that the slave is, in a very real sense, dead."

Dead, perhaps, to the slave-owner and the laws that protected his property but very much alive and human to their companions in suffering and to those not blinded by greed, prejudice, propaganda and social convention.

TarheelDem, October 29, 2015 at 9:16 am

The notion of being dead as far as the law is concerned about his person and his property puts a very interesting twist on knowing one's "place". And greed, prejudice, propaganda, and social convention are not as much a primary issue as is the power to plunder and abuse regardless of the particular motive. It is the institutions that defend the behaviors that hold in being the attitudes. Rush Limbaugh, the shock jocks, Sheriff Clarke of Milwaukee County, and their like defend the behaviors of abusive police; that is to let black people know that the law is dead to them and to "stay in their place". Focusing on the attitude reduces the issue to an individualist one of "personal responsibility" and the action of one or a few cops instead of a pervasive network of abusive institutions held in place by a seamless nationwide network of racist propaganda, material support for abusers, and legal defenses.

Darthbobber, October 28, 2015 at 11:42 pm

Another take on Graeber's book, from the Brit libertarian (no not those libertarians) Marxists who publish Aufheben. I only agree with a portion of their critique, but its worth a read.
http://libcom.org/library/5000-years-or-debt

nobody

About those textbooks… not those in the state of Texas, but those in use in the other states, Morris Berman's got some interesting insights:

When you think about it, nearly everything in modern American history turns on the Civil War, because the ideology I have been describing (which can be more accurately described as a mythology, or grand narrative) requires us to 'fix' traditional societies and eliminate obstacles to progress. With the Civil War these two goals converged, making it the paradigm case of how we carry out, or attempt to carry out, these two projects. What the North did to the South is really the model of what America in general did and does to 'backward' (i.e., traditional) societies, if it can. You wipe out almost the entire indigenous population of North America; you steal half of Mexico; you bomb Vietnam 'back to the Stone Age' (in the immortal words of Curtis LeMay); you 'shock and awe' Iraqi civilians, and so on. In what follows, then, I want to look at the War Between the States in a completely different way than the one found in the typical American history textbook. This, in fact, is what generated the energy that led to a four-year battle and the death of 625,000 individuals. What follows is an elaboration of this argument.

Let's start with the view of the South as seen from the North. The popular image of the antebellum South, as it was presented in American history textbooks and classes when I went to high school in the North, was pretty much the same then as it is now. That is to say, we were taught that the South, as the home of slavery, was a backward and immoral place, and its refusal to abandon that institution was the cause of the Civil War. Under the leadership of Abraham Lincoln (pretty much depicted as a saint), the virtuous Union armies defeated the evil Confederate ones, and the slaves were finally set free. Mutatis mutandis, this remains the politically correct version, as well as the liberal academic version, of the war down to the present time.

[However…]

All the evidence suggests that the North's 'nobility' in fighting slavery was a long-after-the-fact justification, an attempt to portray the conflict as a victory of morality and equality over depravity. It's a thesis that gets people all worked up, but it finally doesn't wash.

[…]

In reality, the treatment of the South by the North was the template for the way the United States would come to treat any nation it regarded as an enemy: not merely a scorched earth policy, but also a 'scorched soul' policy (the destruction of the Native American population was, of course, a preview of this). From Japan to Iraq, the pattern is the same, to the extant that we have been able to impose it: first destroy the place physically (in particular, murder huge numbers of civilians, as the North did to the South during the Civil War-fifty thousand of them by 1865), and then 'Americanize' it. Humiliation, the destruction of the identity of the defeated party, has always been an important part of the equation.

[…]

Sure, the war was about slavery; it was hardly a minor issue. But it was part of a much larger one about two very different and incompatible civilizations, and a fixation on the moral question of slavery can blind us to the larger (world) context of the Civil War, which was really the American version of the global modernization process. No, I have no wish to live in a slave society; I regard it as an abomination. But the South saw a different type of abomination on the horizon, one that is now with us; and quite frankly, I have no wish to live in that one either.

Bits of chapter 4 from: Why America Filed: The Roots of Imperial Decline

TarheelDem, October 28, 2015 at 7:57 pm

The important point. The United States of America (Lincoln) did not want to fight. The abolitionists were a minority. The Southern media (newspaper editors) freaked out like to media shock jocks did over the election of Barack Obama. Unlike this time around, at least so far, the Southern states were stampeded by their elites into seceding; the state legislatures and governors were part of those elites. In the midst of the tension Edmund Ruffin, a pro-secessionist rabble-rouser from Virginia went to Charleston SC, and with the help of military school Citadel and Arsenal cadets, and SC militia, conducted a coast artillery attack on the closest military installation – Fort Sumter. And reactions escalated, very much like the diplomatic environment after the the 1914 assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand. And they escalated because the Southern hotheads wanted war.

The area between the two capitals Washington and Richmond was the cockpit of the war. The first movement was offensive, towards Washington. The Southern planters wanted Lincoln out of there.

JohnnyGL, October 28, 2015 at 3:34 pm

Regarding the coffle, it seems this is early capitalism's answer to the "Trail of Tears" and the famous "Bataan Death March". Then again, maybe it's not "early" capitalism at all….I'm thinking of Malaysia and the TPP.


Anarcissie, October 28, 2015 at 4:24 pm

Many years ago I visited a small slavery museum out in the cotton fields somewhere around Memphis - I forget which side of the river it was on. It was in an old house that might be found anywhere, but more likely in a suburb than far out in the cotton fields, with no other house in view. Even the nearest line of trees was hundreds of yards away. In the largest room they had a lot of chains with large, heavy links, bigger than you would think would be necessary to hold even a very active human being.

The largest chain had been arranged in a spiral on the floor with the collars around it, and there was a picture on the wall showing a coffle, the use to which such chains would have been put. The links of the big chain had a rough, pitted surface, and were a sort of rusty reddish-black. The elderly White woman in charge told me it had been taken from a long-gone barn or shed not far away exactly as it was, where it had probably rested since slavery days. In other words, unless the wind and the rain had washed them off, you could still find the blood and sweat of slaves on the links. There was some other agricultural gear about, like the hand tools the slaves would have used.

There was not a lot of signage and no glossy brochures. Pictures on the walls depicted a plantation house and outbuildings none of which remained, with the exception of the one the museum was in. I wondered who had put the museum together. When I asked how it had come to be, the woman only said, 'It's our history. We think people should know about it.'

Felix47, October 28, 2015 at 9:27 pm

Slavery in the US was rather tame and short lived in comparison to the slavery practiced by the Muslims and Africans themselves. The Somalians enslaved the Bantus etc. etc. The Arabs enslaved everyone and I recall seeing slaves even in 1991 in Saudi Arabia…..doing the labor since descendents of Mohammed avoid physical labor if they can since they see it as demeaning. The big difference was that the Arabs did not seem to see breeding slaves as a business…..they had them castrated in Africa often before they were imported. It was not until 1960 that slavery was outlawed in Saudi Arabia although it may well continue to this day. To really understand large scale slavery we need to go back to the origins of the Muslim movement.

Liz, October 29, 2015 at 6:33 pm

Hi Lambert, the book that first put the scope of the slave trading and breeding industries into context for me was The World That Made New Orleans by Ned Sublette. It's a fascinating and terrible account and if I recall correctly, describes some of the slave breeding operations carried out by Thomas Jefferson.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on these titles.

[Oct 28, 2015] How the U.S. Wrecked the Middle East

Notable quotes:
"... Whatever world order the U.S. may be fighting for in the Middle East, it seems at least an empire or two out of date. Washington refuses to admit to itself that [as a preverse reaction on neoliberalism] the ideas of Islamic fundamentalism resonate with vast numbers of people. ..."
"... No one is predicting a world war or a nuclear war from the mess in Syria. However, like those final days before the Great War, one finds a lot of pieces in play inside a tinderbox. ..."
"... Peter Van Buren blew the whistle on State Department waste and mismanagement during the Iraqi reconstruction in ..."
"... regular he writes about current events at ..."
"... We Meant Well ..."
"... . His latest book is ..."
"... . His next work will be a novel, ..."
October 22, 2015 | The American Conservative

A once stable region descends into chaos thanks to continuing repercussions from the 2003 Iraq invasion. (via TomDispatch)

Whatever world order the U.S. may be fighting for in the Middle East, it seems at least an empire or two out of date. Washington refuses to admit to itself that [as a preverse reaction on neoliberalism] the ideas of Islamic fundamentalism resonate with vast numbers of people. At this point, even as U.S. TOW missiles are becoming as ubiquitous as iPads in the region, American military power can only delay changes, not stop them. Unless a rebalancing of power that would likely favor some version of Islamic fundamentalism takes hold and creates some measure of stability in the Middle East, count on one thing: the U.S. will be fighting the sons of ISIS years from now.

... No one is predicting a world war or a nuclear war from the mess in Syria. However, like those final days before the Great War, one finds a lot of pieces in play inside a tinderbox.

Now, all together: What could possibly go wrong?

Peter Van Buren blew the whistle on State Department waste and mismanagement during the Iraqi reconstruction in We Meant Well: How I Helped Lose the Battle for the Hearts and Minds of the Iraqi People. A TomDispatch regular he writes about current events at We Meant Well. His latest book is Ghosts of Tom Joad: A Story of the #99Percent. His next work will be a novel, Hooper's War.

[Oct 27, 2015] OECD Chief Economist: Its Time To Temper The Frothiness In Markets

www.zerohedge.com
"... if you look at what is supporting equity prices - how much of that support is coming from real economic activity versus from using stock buybacks, using cash on balance sheet for stock buybacks, or mergers and acquisitions, to reduced competition in the marketplace.

These are the sort of stories that if there were a small increase in interest rates, you would temper some of that frothiness.

Eliminating the incentive to engage in that kind of activity seems to me to be a good idea... There would be a proportion of the population that would have less capital gains - but they've been enjoying very big capital gains, and it is a narrow segment of the population."

[Oct 18, 2015] Irrational Unrequited Love of Ukrainians for the West

This is how neocolonialism works: "global village' wants to move to "global town", while global town mercilessly exploits it.
Notable quotes:
"... There is also an important factor: several million Ukrainians work in Russia and in Europe. Comparing, they see that life in the European Union is more comfortable. And this also affects their geopolitical preferences . Finally, most of the residents of Ukraine, especially in the center and the west of the country perceived the reunion of the Crimea with the Russian Federation as an occupation of part of their country. And in relation to the events in Donbass the propaganda has convinced many people that it was not a rebellion against the new regime in Kiev, but Russia's aggression. Unfortunately, revanchist sentiments towards our country in Ukraine can last for a long time. I would even say that it is impossible to exclude the possibility of war between Russia and Ukraine. At least today it is bigger than zero. And even 2 years ago this assumption might seem an absurd fantasy. ..."
"... Yes, there are still strong illusions of average Ukrainians in relation to Europe. Many people think that joining the EU and NATO would quickly help Ukraine improve the living standards of the population, to solve social problems and so on. Others, more realistically minded Ukrainians, think like this: yes, we know that Europe will not solve our problems, but we have no other choice. Now, Russia, if not an enemy, is at least an unfriendly state. And they do not believe in the economic prospects of the alliance with us. ..."
"... public consciousness in Ukraine is largely irrational. Ive already talked about the persisting illusions of Ukrainian men from the street. It seems to him that only the West is able to protect Ukraine from the Russian aggression . This explains such a persistent and irrational focus on Europe. ..."
"... it seems to me that the real percentage of Ukrainians who are in favor of strengthening cooperation with Russia on the territories controlled by Kiev is not much higher than what was revealed by the survey. ..."
Oct 15, 2015 | Fort Russ
Most citizens of "independent" Ukraine are disappointed with Maidan, but they still believe in Europe

The public consciousness in Ukraine continues to amaze with its irrationality. This is confirmed by the poll conducted by the International Foundation for Electoral Systems (IFES).

Despite the fact that the majority of Ukrainians acknowledge that Euromaidan did not meet their expectations, a dominant sentiment in Ukraine is in favor of the pro-Western geopolitical course.

49% of respondents are of the opinion that Ukraine should better strive to deepen relations with Europe, while the percentage of those who prefer a closer relationship with Russia is only 8%.

At the same time 56% of Ukrainians believe that the country is moving in the wrong direction, and only 20% hold the opposite opinion. The notion that the country is moving in the wrong direction is spread across the country and is shared by the majority of citizens in each region.

The survey was conducted on the territory of Ukraine, controlled by the Kiev government, without regard to the views of some four million people living in the LPR and the DPR.

It would seem that in the last eighteen months Europe has demonstrated that it is in no hurry to recognize Ukraine as its "own". Western aid is given precisely in those volumes that prevent the final collapse of Ukraine's statehood. At the same time, due to the influx of Western goods and severance of economic ties with Russia hundreds of Ukrainian enterprises are closed. The latest news in this regard: in Ukraine it has become unprofitable to produce even sugar leading to the closing of 15 sugar mills.

The situation in the post-Maidan economy of Ukraine is much worse, however it has not affected the unrequited love of Ukrainians to the West. Why is this the case and what will be the outcome?

- We must understand that the process of Ukraine's reorientation to the West began long before the Maidan, - says the Head of the Center for Political Research of the Institute of Economics, Head of the Department of International Relations of the Diplomatic Academy of the Russian Federation Boris Shmelev. - For a quarter century that has passed since the collapse of the Soviet Union, more than one generation of Ukrainians has grown who are convinced that it is necessary not to be friends with Russia, but with Europe. That only this friendship with the West will ensure the prosperity of Ukraine.

There is also an important factor: several million Ukrainians work in Russia and in Europe. Comparing, they see that life in the European Union is more comfortable. And this also affects their "geopolitical preferences". Finally, most of the residents of Ukraine, especially in the center and the west of the country perceived the reunion of the Crimea with the Russian Federation as an occupation of part of their country. And in relation to the events in Donbass the propaganda has convinced many people that it was not a rebellion against the new regime in Kiev, but Russia's aggression. Unfortunately, revanchist sentiments towards our country in Ukraine can last for a long time. I would even say that it is impossible to exclude the possibility of war between Russia and Ukraine. At least today it is bigger than zero. And even 2 years ago this assumption might seem an absurd fantasy.

"SP": - Why a year and a half since the "February coup" have not convinced Ukrainians that the EU is not going to make Ukraine a member state and that the West is helping Kiev only to the extent that the pro-Western regime does not collapse?

- Yes, there are still strong illusions of average Ukrainians in relation to Europe. Many people think that joining the EU and NATO would quickly help Ukraine improve the living standards of the population, to solve social problems and so on. Others, more realistically minded Ukrainians, think like this: yes, we know that Europe will not solve our problems, but we have no other choice. Now, Russia, if not an enemy, is at least an unfriendly state. And they do not believe in the economic prospects of the alliance with us.

"SP": - But it is impossible to escape the logic: as long as Ukraine maintained relatively good relations with Russia, the situation in the Ukrainian economy was more or less tolerable. And as soon as Kiev finally turned towards the West, the economy began to crumble ...

- All this is true. But public consciousness in Ukraine is largely irrational. I've already talked about the persisting illusions of Ukrainian men from the street. It seems to him that only the West is able to protect Ukraine from the "Russian aggression". This explains such a persistent and irrational focus on Europe.

"SP": - And can we explain such a low percentage of Russian sympathizers by the fact that some respondents, especially in the South-East of Ukraine are afraid to openly express their opinions?

- Yes, it is possible. Although, it seems to me that the real percentage of Ukrainians who are in favor of strengthening cooperation with Russia on the territories controlled by Kiev is not much higher than what was revealed by the survey.

[Oct 16, 2015] Wolf Richter Debt Fueled Stock Buybacks Now Eating into Earnings

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Yves here. As anyone who has been in finance know, leverage amplifies gains and losses. Big company execs, apparently embracing the "IBG/YBG" ("I'll Be Gone, You'll Be Gone") school of management, apparently believed they could beat the day of reckoning that would come of relying on stock buybacks to keep EPS rising, regardless of the underlying health of the enterprise. But even in an era of super-cheap credit, investors expect higher interest rates for more levered businesses, which is what you get when you keep borrowing to prop up per-share earnings. As Richter explains, the chickens are starting to come home to roost.

Companies with investment-grade credit ratings – the cream-of-the-crop "high-grade" corporate borrowers – have gorged on borrowed money at super-low interest rates over the past few years, as monetary policies put investors into trance. And interest on that mountain of debt, which grew another 4% in the second quarter, is now eating their earnings like never before.

These companies – according to JPMorgan analysts cited by Bloomberg – have incurred $119 billion in interest expense over the 12 months through the second quarter. The most ever. With impeccable timing: for S&P 500 companies, revenues have been in a recession all year, and the last thing companies need now is higher expenses.

Risks are piling up too: according to Bloomberg, companies' ability pay these interest expenses, as measured by the interest coverage ratio, dropped to the lowest level since 2009.

Companies also have to refinance that debt when it comes due. If they can't, they'll end up going through what their beaten-down brethren in the energy and mining sectors are undergoing right now: reshuffling assets and debts, some of it in bankruptcy court.

But high-grade borrowers can always borrow – as long as they remain "high-grade." And for years, they were on the gravy train riding toward ever lower interest rates: they could replace old higher-interest debt with new lower-interest debt. But now the bonanza is ending. Bloomberg:

As recently as 2012, companies were refinancing at interest rates that were 0.83 percentage point cheaper than the rates on the debt they were replacing, JPMorgan analysts said. That gap narrowed to 0.26 percentage point last year, even without a rise in interest rates, because the average coupon on newly issued debt increased.

And the benefits of refinancing at lower rates are dwindling further:

Companies saved a mere 0.21 percentage point in the second quarter on refinancings as investors demanded average yields of 3.12 percent to own high-grade corporate debt – about half a percentage point more than the post-crisis low in May 2013.

That was in the second quarter. Since then, conditions have worsened. Moody's Aaa Corporate Bond Yield index, which tracks the highest-rated borrowers, was at 3.29% in early February. In July last year, it was even lower for a few moments. So refinancing old debt at these super-low interest rates was a deal. But last week, the index was over 4%. It currently sits at 3.93%. And the benefits of refinancing at ever lower yields are disappearing fast.

What's left is a record amount of debt, generating a record amount of interest expense, even at these still very low yields.

"Increasingly alarming" is what Goldman's credit strategists led by Lotfi Karoui called this deterioration of corporate balance sheets. And it will get worse as yields edge up and as corporate revenues and earnings sink deeper into the mire of the slowing global economy.

But these are the cream of the credit crop. At the other end of the spectrum – which the JPMorgan analysts (probably holding their nose) did not address – are the junk-rated masses of over-indebted corporate America. For deep-junk CCC-rated borrowers, replacing old debt with new debt has suddenly gotten to be much more expensive or even impossible, as yields have shot up from the low last June of around 8% to around 14% these days:

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Yields have risen not because of the Fed's policies – ZIRP is still in place – but because investors are coming out of their trance and are opening their eyes and are finally demanding higher returns to take on these risks. Even high-grade borrowers are feeling the long-dormant urge by investors to be once again compensated for risk, at least a tiny bit.

If the global economy slows down further and if revenues and earnings get dragged down with it, all of which are now part of the scenario, these highly leveraged balance sheets will further pressure already iffy earnings, and investors will get even colder feet, in a hail of credit down-grades, and demand even more compensation for taking on these risks. It starts a vicious circle, even in high-grade debt.

Alas, much of the debt wasn't invested in productive assets that would generate income and make it easier to service the debt. Instead, companies plowed this money into dizzying amounts of share repurchases designed to prop up the company's stock and nothing else, and they plowed it into grandiose mergers and acquisitions, and into other worthy financial engineering projects.

Now the money is gone. The debt remains. And the interest has to be paid. It's the hangover after a long party. And even Wall Street is starting to fret, according to Bloomberg:

The borrowing has gotten so aggressive that for the first time in about five years, equity fund managers who said they'd prefer companies use cash flow to improve their balance sheets outnumbered those who said they'd rather have it returned to shareholders, according to a survey by Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

But it's still not sinking in. Companies are still announcing share buybacks with breath-taking amounts, even as revenues and earnings are stuck in a quagmire. They want to prop up their shares in one last desperate effort. In the past, this sort of financial engineering worked. Every year since 2007, companies that bought back their own shares aggressively saw their shares outperform the S&P 500 index.

But it isn't working anymore. Bloomberg found that since May, shares of companies that have plowed the most into share buybacks have fallen even further than the S&P 500. Wal-Mart is a prime example. Turns out, once financial engineering fails, all bets are off. Read… The Chilling Thing Wal-Mart Said about Financial Engineering

Wolf Richter is a San Francisco based executive, entrepreneur, start up specialist, and author, with extensive international work experience. Originally published at Wolf Street.


TomDority, October 16, 2015 at 8:01 am

One wonders where all that "investment" goes…pretty much into the CEO's pockets and investors pockets because banks do not create money by investing in real legitimate capital formation or producing anything tangible…..i

It spelled out in Micheal Hudson's – Killing the Host. Economics and investment banking wraps itself in the persona as the engine of growth when, in fact, it is the engine of dis-employment, stagnate wages, declining manufacturing, inflated property prices which raise the cost of food production and everything else including forcing a majority to spend more of their income on debt service leaving less for anything beyond subsistence living.

These trillions are wasted and misdirected into useless financial "engineering" as opposed to real world engineering….at the expense of a habitable peaceful planet. Soon, I hope, this dislocation will be corrected. As I have said before, a good start would be to tax that which is harmful (unearned income and rent seeking) and de-tax that which is helpful – real capital formation, infrastructure and maintenance of a habitable planet and the absolutely necessary biodiversity that sustains us.


david, October 16, 2015 at 8:57 am

"trillions are wasted and misdirected into useless financial "engineering" as opposed to real world engineering"

I read yesterday that less than 6% of Bank financing is now going to real tangible assets – the balance goes in various forms to intangible goodwill

this is not "useless" from the standpoint of those who direct this game.

Tony Soprano called it a "bust up" – take over a business and use the brand to skim the profits, buy goods and services and roll them out the backdoor and declare BK and then buy it back for pennies on the dollar.

the money is used for dividends and buybacks all that money is accumulated by the LBO firms and management to maneuver the situation / process to the point of the bust up – this time they are all going simultaneously for the exit even the most high end S&P firm – the HY prices are deteriorating quickly beyond energy related as % LTV goes higher – before 82′ the LTV of Fortune Cos. was way below 20% – 35% was considered max –

the same characters / groups will be formed to get to 51% to buy and control the bonds at 20-30% on the dollar in BK and take the assets.

35 years ago, I spent a day at Ngorongoro Crater in Tanzania with a driver in a rover by myself watching the Hyenas take down a sick Buffalo culling him out in a gang, working the animal for hours, as he shuffled along until he fell and ten….. finally ate him in a ferocious climax. The most fascinating part of the entire trip.

USA, USA, USA !

cnchal, October 16, 2015 at 9:38 am

. . .Now the money is gone. The debt remains. And the interest has to be paid,. . .

Now there is a big fat tax deductible expense, and down the road, "value" is created when companies are bought for the tax carry forward losses. Win, win win.

Just Ice, October 16, 2015 at 10:53 am

"Companies with investment-grade credit ratings …"

With government-subsidized private credit creation, the whole concept of "creditworthiness" is suspect. Example, is Smith-Wesson "credit-worthy" to many Progressives? Yet, it's their credit, as part of the public, that would be extended should S&W take out a bank loan.

Is a company that eliminates thousands of jobs via automation or outsourcing worthy of the public's credit?

New Research in Economics The IMF and Global Financial Crises; Phoenix Rising

Economist's View

This is from Joseph P. Joyce, the author of The IMF and Global Financial Crises; Phoenix Rising?, which was published last year by Cambridge University Press. The book examines the evolution of the policies and programs of the IMF with respect to the global financial markets and crises in these markets:

Among the many surprising features of the global financial crisis of 2008-09 was the emergence of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) as a leading player in the response to what has become known as the "Great Recession." The news that the IMF was "back in business" was remarkable in view of the deterioration of the IMF's reputation after the crises of the late 1990s and the decline in its lending activities in the succeeding decade. The IMF had been widely blamed for indirectly contributing to the earlier crises by advocating the premature removal of controls on capital flows, and then imposing harsh and inappropriate measures on the countries that were forced by capital outflows to borrow from it. Moreover, the IMF initially had no direct role in dealing with the crisis. The IMF was relegated to the sidelines as government officials in the advanced economies coordinated their responses to the crisis.
All this changed in the fall of 2008, however, when the collapse of the financial system led to an economic contraction that spread outside the original group of crisis countries. World trade fell and capital flows slowed and in some cases reversed, as nervous banks, firms and investors sought to reallocate their money to safer venues. In response, the IMF provided loans to a range of countries, including the Ukraine, Hungary, Iceland, and Pakistan. In addition, the IMF restructured its lending programs, cutting back on the policy conditions attached to its loans and increasing the amount of credit a country could obtain. The Fund also introduced a new credit line without conditions for countries with records of stable policies and strong macroeconomic performance. Moreover, the IMF pledged to work with national governments and other international organizations after the crisis receded to continue the economic recovery and improve the regulation of global financial markets. Consequently, many commentators hailed the rejuvenated IMF as a "phoenix".
The IMF's response to the Great Recession marked a significant break from its policies during previous global financial crises. These had taken place during an era when the IMF's membership was stratified by income and whether or not a country borrowed from the Fund. In addition, the IMF had actively encouraged the deepening and widening of global finance. The IMF's previous responses to financial crises, therefore, reflected the dominance of its upper-income members as well as an ideological consensus in favor of financial flows.
The crisis hastened the end of those conditions. The shock to global financial markets and economies originated in the upper-income countries, and the recovery of many of these nations has been relatively sluggish. The emerging economies, on the other hand, rebounded from the global economic contraction more quickly, which in turn contributed to the recovery of the developing nations. Moreover, the crisis demonstrated that financial instability can be a systemic condition, confirming the need for prudent oversight and the regulation of financial markets and capital flows.
But while the Great Recession provided the IMF with an opportunity to demonstrate that it has learned the lessons of its past mistakes, there are fundamental economic and political transformations underway which will affect the ability of the IMF to counter future financial instability. The replacement of the dominance of the G7/8 by the G20 should lead to a more equitable governance structure within the IMF, but inertia has slowed the pace of reform. Moreover, the European debt crises pose new challenges to the IMF. The Fund is caught in the crossfire among Eurozone governments and their citizenries over how to deal with insolvent sovereign members. New fiscal challenges will arise in other advanced economies with aging populations and mounting health care and public pension costs, and the IMF's response will be scrutinized by its emerging market members who are concerned about the scale of its lending.

Peter K. said in reply to Min...

The IMF has gotten better, especially compared to the East Asian financial crisis. But, if they were a force for good they would have advised Greece to go the Argentine route (pace double D Dan Davies.)

Instead they enabled the devastation of Europe's periphery.

Reply Tuesday, June 25, 2013 at 01:17 PM

Lafayette said...

A TINY SPARK

{The replacement of the dominance of the G7/8 by the G20 should lead to a more equitable governance structure within the IMF, but inertia has slowed the pace of reform. Moreover, the European debt crises pose new challenges to the IMF. The Fund is caught in the crossfire among Eurozone governments and their citizenries over how to deal with insolvent sovereign members.}

There is no evident reason to believe that the G20 will bring any better governance to the IMF; after all, it is the "bank of last resort" – so to speak.

The fund is indeed in the crossfire, but it should not be thus. The problem of sovereign insolvency is of a political and not an economic or financial nature. Politicians were borrowing to maintain the debt, thus building a debt-mountain – for which Tax Revenues provided easily the means to maintain it. That debt-mountain is still there and still a drag on government revenues precluding any real Stimulus Spending.

An entire political class (in the EU) did not think for one moment that a Great Recession could happen until it happened. Now they do, but the lesson has been costly. They should have known better.

{New fiscal challenges will arise in other advanced economies with aging populations and mounting health care and public pension costs, and the IMF's response will be scrutinized by its emerging market members who are concerned about the scale of its lending.}

Frankly, I do not see the IMF coming to the rescue except in the most dire circumstances. There are many troublesome spots on the horizon that could blow into major proportions. Brazil is one and I think Russia is another. Most important, though few believe it, is China.

China should look at Brazil for a lesson. Brazil has known some very heady growth, but the recent violent demonstrations show evidently that not all have benefitted from it and especially the poorest. I suggest that China is in exactly the same condition; all it needs is a tiny spark to get it going. And the result will be very bloody indeed.

POST SCRIPTUM

Just think of it ... WalMart might be obliged to Buy American! ;^)

The Lessons of the North Atlantic Crisis for Economic Theory and Policy by Joseph E. Stiglitz

"...But even as the economy deleverages, there is every reason to believe that it will not return to full employment."
May 3, 3013 | imf.org

Markets are not stable, efficient, or self-correcting

Economies are not self-correcting.

More than deleveraging, more than a balance sheet crisis: the need for structural transformation

But even as the economy deleverages, there is every reason to believe that it will not return to full employment.

But the fact that things have often gone badly in the aftermath of a financial crisis doesn't mean they must go badly.

reforms undertaken so far have only tinkered at the edges.

the crisis has brought home the importance of financial regulation for macroeconomic stability.

But a focus on the provision of credit has neither been at the center of policy discourse nor of the standard macro-models. We have to shift our focus from money to credit.

Distribution matters as well-distribution among individuals, between households and firms, among households, and among firms. Traditionally, macroeconomics focused on certain aggregates, such as the average ratio of leverage to GDP. But that and other verage numbers often don't give a picture of the vulnerability of the economy. In the case of the financial crisis, such numbers didn't give us warning signs. Yet it was the fact that a large number of people at the bottom couldn't make their debt payments that should have tipped us off that something was wrong. Across the board, our models need to incorporate a greater understanding of heterogeneity and its implications for economic stability.

Should monetary policy focus just on short term interest rates? No!

There has to be coordination across all the issues and among all the instruments that are at our disposal. There needs to be close coordination between monetary and fiscal policy.

And as daunting as the economic problems we now face are, acknowledging this will allow us to take advantage of the one big opportunity this period of economic trauma has afforded: namely, the chance to revolutionize our flawed models, and perhaps even exit from an interminable cycle of crises.

[Oct 14, 2015] The Financial Sector is Too Big

October 9, 2015 | naked capitalism

By Philip Arestis Professor and Director of Research at the Cambridge Centre for Economic & Public Policy and Senior Fellow in the Department of Land Economy at the University of Cambridge, UK, and Professor of Economics at the University of the Basque Country and Malcolm Sawyer, Professor of Economics, University of Leeds. Originally published at Triple Crisis

Has the financial sector become too large, absorbing too many resources, and enhancing instabilities? A look at the recent evidence on the relationship between the size of the financial sector and growth.

There has been a long history of the idea that a developing financial sector (emphasis on banks and stock markets) fosters economic growth. Going back to the work of authors such as Schumpeter, Robinson, and more recently, McKinnon, etc., there have been debates on financial liberalisation and the related issue of whether what was relevant to financial liberalisation, namely financial development, "caused" economic development, or whether economic development led to a greater demand for financial services and thereby financial development.

The general thrust of the empirical evidence collected over a number of decades suggested that there was indeed a positive relationship between the size and scale of the financial sector (often measured by the size of the banking system as reflected in ratio of bank deposits to GDP, and the size of the stock market capitalisation) and the pace of economic growth. Indeed, there have been discussion on whether the banking sector or the stock market capitalisation is a more influential factor on economic growth. The empirical evidence drew on time series, cross section, and panel econometric investigations. To even briefly summarise the empirical evidence on all these aspects is not possible here. In addition, the question of the direction of causation still remains an unresolved issue.

The processes of financialisation over the past few decades have involved the growing economic, political and social importance of the financial sector. In size terms, the financial sector has generally grown rapidly in most countries, whether viewed in terms of the size of bank deposits, stock market valuations, or more significantly in the growth of financial products, securitisation, and derivatives as well as trading volume in them. This growth of the financial sector uses resources, often of highly trained personnel, and inevitably raises the question of whether those resources are being put to good use. This is well summarised by Vanguard Group founder John Bogle, who suggests, "The job of finance is to provide capital to companies. We do it to the tune of $250 billion a year in IPOs and secondary offerings. What else do we do? We encourage investors to trade about $32 trillion a year. So the way I calculate it, 99% of what we do in this industry is people trading with one another, with a gain only to the middleman. It's a waste of resources" (MarketWatch, Aug. 1 2015).

Financial liberalisation and de-regulation were promoted as ways of releasing the power of the financial sector, promoting development of financial markets and financial deepening. The claims were often made by the mainstream that financial liberalisation had removed "financial repression" and stimulated growth. Yet, financial liberalisation in a country often led to banking and financial crises, many times with devastating effects on employment and living standards. Financial crises have become much more frequent since the 1970s in comparison with the "golden age" of the 1950s and 1960s. The international financial crisis of 2007/2008 and the subsequent Great Recession were the recent and spectacular crises (though the scale of previous crises such as the East Asian ones of 1997 should not be overlooked). The larger scale of the financial sector in the industrialised countries has been accompanied (even before 2007) with somewhat lower growth than hitherto. As the quote above suggests there has not been an upsurge of savings and investment, and indeed many would suggest that the processes of financialisation dampen the pressures to invest, particularly in research and development. Has the financial sector become too large, absorbing too many resources, and enhancing instabilities?

An interesting recent development has been a spate of research papers coming from international organisations and many others, which have pointed in the direction that indeed the financial sector in industrialised countries have become too big-at least when viewed in terms of its impact on economic growth. (See Sawyer, "Financialisation, financial structures, economic performance and employment," FESSUD Working Paper Series No. 93, for a broad survey on finance and economic performance.) These studies rely on econometric (time series) estimation and hence cover the past few decades-which suggests that their findings are not in any way generated by the financial crisis of 2007/2008 and the Great Recession that followed.

A Bank of International Settlements study concluded that "the complex real effects of financial development and come to two important conclusions. First, financial sector size has an inverted U-shaped effect on productivity growth. That is, there comes a point where further enlargement of the financial system can reduce real growth. Second, financial sector growth is found to be a drag on productivity growth." Cournède, Denk,and Hoeller (2015) state that "finance is a vital ingredient for economic growth, but there can also be too much of it." Sahay, et al. (2015) find a positive relationship between financial development (as measured by their "comprehensive index") and growth, but "the marginal returns to growth from further financial development diminish at high levels of financial development―that is, there is a significant, bell-shaped, relationship between financial development and growth. A similar non-linear relationship arises for economic stability. The effects of financial development on growth and stability show that there are tradeoffs, since at some point the costs outweigh the benefits."

There are many reasons for thinking that the financial sector has become too large. Its growth in recent decades has not been associated with facilitating savings and encouraging investment. It has absorbed valuable resources which are largely engaged in the trading in casino-like activities. The lax systems of regulation have made financial crises more likely. Indeed, and following the international financial crisis of 2007/2008 and the great recession a number of proposals have been put forward to avoid similar crises. To this day, nonetheless, the implementation of these proposals is very slow indeed (see, also, Arestis, "Main and Contributory Causes of the Recent Financial Crisis and Economic Policy Implications," for more details).

See original post for references

MartyH, October 9, 2015 at 10:28 am

Now that Michael Hudson's Killing the Host has been available for a while, one suspects a Picketty-like effect with folks "discovering" that Taibbi's Giant Vampire Squid characterization of Goldman-Sachs (one of many) wasn't funny.

blert, October 9, 2015 at 5:24 pm

It's a squid that squirts RED INK - onto everyone else.

susan the other, October 9, 2015 at 11:03 am

This is a great and readable essay. Sure sounds like Minsky. And even Larry Summers when he advocates for more bubbles. And Wolfgang Schaeuble said repeatedly that "we are overbanked." We just don't know how to do it any other way. When everything crashes it's too late to regulate. Unless Larry knows a clever way to regulate bubbles.

JTMcPhee, October 10, 2015 at 8:40 am

The Banksters' refrain:

"Don't regulate you,
Don't regulate me!
Regulate that guy over behind that tree…"

MY scam is systemically important!

Just Ice, October 10, 2015 at 3:34 pm

"We just don't know how to do it any other way. " STO

Yet there is another way, an equitable way :) Dr. Michael Hudson himself says that industry should be financed with equity, not debt.

Leonard, October 10, 2015 at 3:53 pm

Susan
There is way to manage bubbles before they get out of control. This article explains how. Go to wp.me/WQA-1E

ben, October 9, 2015 at 11:17 am

Wasted resources are way higher than the Vanguard example. They misdirect resources especially into land and issue new money as debt.

RepubAnon, October 10, 2015 at 11:29 pm

They think that they make their living by "ripping the eyes out of the muppets" – so they're opposed to regulations which would protect the muppets' eyes.

I look at the financial industry as sort of like sugar for the economy – the right amount is good for you, but too much will kill you.

Just Ice, October 9, 2015 at 12:35 pm

"The lax systems of regulation have made financial crises more likely."

Actually, it's the near unlimited ability of the banks to create deposits ("loans create deposits" but also debts) that causes large scale financial crises. And what is the source of this absurd ability of the banks? ans: government privileges including deposit insurance instead of a Postal Savings Service or equivalent and a fiat (the publics' money) lender of last resort.

Besides, regulations typically do not address the fundamental injustice of government subsidized banks – extending the publics' credit to private interests.

Synoia October 9, 2015 at 12:53 pm

There is something very wrong about money creation from loans. I'm not arguing that this is incorrect, I'm looking at money creation being a burden on the citizenry. I cannot see how this will end well, because of the asymmetric nature, money creation only benefits the banks, of the burden of money creation.

Just Ice October 9, 2015 at 1:40 pm

"There is something very wrong about money creation from loans."

More precisely, there is something very wrong about being driven into debt by government-subsidized private credit creation. Source of the rat race? Look no further.

zapster October 10, 2015 at 9:32 am

It's the bank-money vs. government money situation. The hysteria over "The Deficit (gasp)" insures that none of us have cash and must borrow to live. The bankers won.

Just Ice October 10, 2015 at 1:56 pm

"It's the bank-money vs. government money situation." zapster

More precisely, who gets to create the government's money since it is taxation* that drives the value of fiat. But it's an absurd situation since obviously the government ALONE should create fiat, not a central bank for the benefit of banks and other private interests, especially the wealthy.

As for the private sector, let it create its own money solutions and my bet is that we'll have a much more equitable (pun intended) society as a result.

The problem then is taxation. How does one tax someone's income in Bitcoins, for example? How does one preclude tax evasion? Unavoidable taxes such as land taxes (except for a homestead exemption) are one possibility.

*As well as the need to pay the interest on the debt the government subsidized banking cartel drives us into.

Yves Smith Post author October 10, 2015 at 5:17 pm

*Sigh*. The government alone does control the money supply in a fiat currency issuer. The government hasn't bothered to do so actively because the only time it DID try doing that (under Reagan and Thatcher) they found out, contra Friedman, that money supply growth bore no relationship to any macroeconomic variable. Monetarism was a failed experiment.

readerOfTeaLeaves October 9, 2015 at 10:58 pm

I happened upon a great link - about the probable origins of interest. Here's the link: http://viking.som.yale.edu/will/finciv/chapter1.htm

Scroll down to "The Idea of Interest". This author posits that back in the (ancient, herding) day, people lent cattle. I lend you my cow, your bull impregnates her, and I get a part of the calf.

What the author probably didn't understand, but is known to those of us interested in the history of metallurgy, is that there was a belief that metals 'grew' - after all, plants grew from the ground, vines grew from the ground, trees and bushes also grew from the ground. It was not a great stretch to suppose that metals also grew within the ground, and back in those ancient days they expected the same kind of 'growth' from metals that happened with agricultural products.

Perhaps if I ever get to retire, I can read Hudson's entire work, and possibly he covers this topic. But I do think that it is time for the rest of us to rethink the nature of money - particularly in an emerging digital era.

cnchal October 10, 2015 at 10:42 am

Thanks for that link. Here is a little nugget that relates to today.

The legal limit on interest rates for loans of silver was 20% over much of Dumuzi-gamil's life, but Marc Van De Mieroop demonstrates how Dumuzi-gamil and other lenders got around such strictures - they simply charged the legal limit for shorter and shorter term loans! Curiously, while mathematics during this era was extraordinarily advanced, the government failed to understand, or at least effectively regulate the close link between time and money.

Sound familiar. It's more like the banksters regulate government.

As for compound interest, it seems to be the most diabolical human invention yet, as it infers exponential growth without limits.

Here is Keynes discussing compound interest in his speech "Economic Possibilities for our Grandchildren" (1930)

From the earliest times of which we have record – back say to two thousand years before Christ – down to the beginning of the eighteenth century, there was no very great change in the standard of life of the average man living in the civilized centres of the earth. Ups and downs certainly. Visitations of plague, famine, and war. Golden intervals. But no progressive, violent change. Some periods perhaps 50 per cent better than others – at the utmost 100 per cent better – in the four thousand years which ended (say) in A.D. 1700.

This slow rate of progress, or lack of progress, was due to two reasons – to the remarkable absence of important technical improvements and to the failure of capital to accumulate.

The absence of important technical inventions between the prehistoric age and comparatively modern times is truly remarkable. Almost everything which really matters and which the world possessed at the commencement of the modern age was already known to man at the dawn of history. Language, fire, the same domestic animals which we have today, wheat, barley, the vine and the olive, the plough, the wheel, the oar, the sail, leather, linen and cloth, bricks and pots, gold and silver, copper, tin, and lead – and iron was added to the list before 1000 B.C. – banking, statecraft, mathematics, astronomy, and religion. There is no record of when we first possessed these things.

At some epoch before the dawn of history – perhaps even in one of the comfortable intervals before the last ice age – there must have been an era of progress and invention comparable to that in which we live today. But through the greater part of recorded history there was nothing of the kind.
The modern age opened, I think, with the accumulation of capital which began in the sixteenth century. I believe – for reasons with which I must not encumber the present argument – that this was initially due to the rise of prices, and the profits to which that led, which resulted from the treasure of gold and silver which Spain brought from the New World into the Old. From that time until today the power of accumulation by compound interest, which seems to have been sleeping for many generations, was reborn and renewed its strength. And the power of compound interest over two hundred years is such as to stagger the imagination.

Let me give in illustration of this a sum which I have worked out. The value of Great Britain's foreign investments today is estimated at about £4,000 million. This yields us an income at the rate of about 6 1/2 per cent. Half of this we bring home and enjoy; the other half, namely, 3 1/2 per cent, we leave to accumulate abroad at compound interest. Something of this sort has now been going on for about 250 years.

For I trace the beginnings of British foreign investment to the treasure which Drake stole from Spain in 1580. In that year he returned to England bringing with him the prodigious spoils of the Golden Hind. Queen Elizabeth was a considerable shareholder in the syndicate which had financed the expedition. Out of her share she paid off the whole of England's foreign debt, balanced her budget, and found herself with about £40,000 in hand. This she invested in the Levant Company – which prospered. Out of the profits of the Levant Company, the East India Company was founded; and the profits of this great enterprise were the foundation of England's subsequent foreign investment. Now it happens that £40,000 accumulating at 3 1/2 per cent compound interest approximately corresponds to the actual volume of England's foreign investments at various dates, and would actually amount today to the total of £4,000 million which I have already quoted as being what our foreign investments now are. Thus, every £1 which Drake brought home in 1580 has now become £100,000. Such is the power of compound interest !

From the sixteenth century, with a cumulative crescendo after the eighteenth, the great age of science and technical inventions began, which since the beginning of the nineteenth century has been in full flood – coal, steam, electricity, petrol, steel, rubber, cotton, the chemical industries, automatic machinery and the methods of mass production, wireless, printing, Newton, Darwin, and Einstein, and thousands of other things and men too famous and familiar to catalogue.

What is the result? In spite of an enormous growth in the population of the world, which it has been necessary to equip with houses and machines, the average standard of life in Europe and the United States has been raised, I think, about fourfold. The growth of capital has been on a scale which is far beyond a hundred-fold of what any previous age had known. And from now on we need not expect so great an increase of population.

This reminds me of the huge fortunes growing at compound interest today.

Take the Gates Foundation as an example.

From Wikipedia: It had an endowment of US$42.3 billion as of 24 November 2014.

If this were to grow at a compound interest rate of 7.2% annually, it would double every ten years, and in one hundred years would be $43 trillion dollars and in two hundred years $44,354 trillion or $44.354 quadrillion. It's as if Bill and Warren are playing a practical joke on the world, as their compound interest monster swallows every available dollar.

I wonder what a loaf of bread will cost in two hundred years?

nigelk October 9, 2015 at 3:20 pm

Fractional-reserve banking is anathema to human dignity itself. What was it Gandhi said about "wealth without work"…?

griffen October 9, 2015 at 12:56 pm

Top heavy might be the marginally better angle to take here. Although I recently left the state (N Texas, Dallas), Texas banks are being merged or acquired left and right. On some occasions it is necessary if very small institutions are unable to compete, unable to meet a decent ROE bogey (6.0% ROE is sorta low), or just unable to fend off progress.

Other occasions the larger regional and national banks can just win on scale.

Noni Mausa October 9, 2015 at 1:10 pm

I have long thought about the banking system as a beating heart. Of course it needs fuel, like the rest of the body, but when a heart gets larger and larger, and contains more and more blood, and uses more and more fuel, the rest of the body never fares well.

"Surging bank profits" is never a headline that makes me happy.

Carla October 9, 2015 at 11:43 pm

Yes, congestive heart failure kills the host - this is a great analogy - Thanks!

anders October 9, 2015 at 2:01 pm

The real question is: why was it that the "creation of wealth" had to turn to the financial sector. IMHO it's because the productive sector is lesser and lesser able to produce surplus value. So that free capital istn't attracted to it. Of course in the financial sector there isn't any value created at all.

Just Ice October 9, 2015 at 3:33 pm

" IMHO it's because the productive sector is lesser and lesser able to produce surplus value. "

Yes, because of unjust wealth distribution; the host has finally been exhausted. With meta-materials, nano-technology, genetic engineering, better catalysts, etc. and with practical nuclear fusion on the horizon (because of new superconducting materials) mankind has probably never been on the verge of creating so much value as now but can't because of lack of effective demand, not for junk but for such things as proper medical and dental care while the wealthy have more than they know what to do with.

blert October 9, 2015 at 5:22 pm

Is the sky blue ?

Decades of 'political – solvency' insurance has permitted 'the blob' to overwhelm all.

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If all of society played Poker … would anything be produced ? THAT'S the aspect that has metastasized. It's not proper to term it the 'financial sector' - gambling// speculation emporium… now you're talking. When the government chronically intervenes to bail out highly sophisticated fools…. Jon Corzine is the result. - And he's not even the target of law enforcement !!!!

equote October 10, 2015 at 7:40 am

"A business that makes nothing but money is a poor business." -- Henry Ford

sd October 10, 2015 at 4:18 pm

Financial liberalisation and de-regulation were promoted as ways of releasing the power of the financial sector, promoting development of financial markets and financial deepening.

Release the Kraken comes to mind.

A Critique of Crisis Theory

Germany and the U.S. Empire (Pt. 1)

The Volkswagen scandal

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Above all, it is quite in accordance with the nature of competition between capitalist nation-states. An important function of a capitalist nation-state is to put its own capitalists in the best possible position relative to rivals headquartered in rival nation-states. A little less than 70 years ago-within the lifetime of many people still living-the efforts of the U.S. to curb Germany's competitive threat to U.S. industry took the form of open shooting warfare that ended with the U.S. invasion and occupation of Germany. That occupation has never really ended.

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This is confirmed in an article by Associated Press writer Michael Biesecker on Sept. 29, who reveals that Volkswagen's crime is actually a rather common practice in the automobile industry: "Almost since the passage of the Clean Air Act in 1970, major manufacturers of cars, trucks and heavy equipment have been busted for using what regulators call 'defeat devices'-typically programing a vehicle's on-board computer to boost horsepower or fuel mileage by belching out dirtier exhaust than allowed."

Biesecker reports further, "Complying with clean air regulations can add thousands of dollars to a vehicle's sticker price while diminishing the driving performance that customers demand." He quotes Donald Stedman, a University of Denver chemistry professor who specializes in testing the real-world emissions of cars and trucks: "Every car company has an incentive to do this. Some of them get caught."

In the light of these facts, as well as the continuing stubborn "secular stagnation" afflicting the world economy and Germany's remarkable growth in exports, there is more than a little reason to suspect that the EPA's exposure of Volkswagen emissions cheating and the accompanying press campaign is motivated by something other than concern about the environment. At the very least, we should demand that the source code of the software of all automobile manufacturers be made public immediately!

How Germany is exporting depression conditions to its competitors

In his blog dated July 17, 2015, our fellow economic blogger-and former chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System-Ben Bernanke complained that Germany has been in effect exporting mass unemployment and depression. Now, the chairperson of the Board of Governors is one of the most powerful positions in the world. Nobody who is not closely connected to and enjoys the confidence of the most powerful U.S. capitalists is seriously considered for the job. So we can assume that Bernanke's blog posts reflect the views of a considerable section of the U.S. capitalist class.

In a piece entitled "Europe and Greece: Is Europe holding up its end of the bargain?" Bernanke takes note of the "unevenness in economic outcomes among countries within the euro zone." (2) "What is a problem, however," Bernanke explains, is not simply the unevenness of economic outcomes but that "Germany has effectively chosen to rely on foreign rather than domestic demand to ensure full employment at home, as shown in its extraordinarily large and persistent trade surplus, currently almost 7.5 percent of the country's GDP."

Translating from the language of the professional economist, Germany is exporting itself out of the depression that surrounds it. Instead of generating demand at home, Bernanke complains, Germany is taking markets away from the capitalists of other countries. "Within a fixed-exchange-rate system like the euro currency area," Bernanke writes, "such persistent imbalances are unhealthy, reducing demand and growth in trading partners and generating potentially destabilizing financial flows."

In fact, this is true whether exchange rates are fixed or floating, or as in this case trade is within a common currency area where there are no exchange rates at all. As we saw last month, global demand is at any given point in time fixed, which means that the larger the share of the world market of one capitalist nation the smaller the share of other nations. Only if the market is so robust that all countries can sell their entire potential product at least at the price of production will this not be the case.(3) Under the capitalist mode of production, this rarely happens and it is certainly not the case today.

In addition, for relations between them to be non-antagonistic, participants in the world market would have to be guaranteed to grow in step with the rising productive capacities of the nations engaged in capitalist production so they could continue to sell their rising output at their production prices. Though professional economists, relying on such theories as Say's law, the quantity theory of money and the so-called law of comparative advantage, claim this to be true, as I have explained throughout this blog this is not and cannot be the case under the capitalist mode of production.

According to Bernanke-if you leave Germany out-the unemployment rate in Europe taken as a whole exceeds 13 percent, based on the usual methods of capitalist governments, which greatly understate the problem. Therefore, Europe as a whole, excluding Germany, remains bogged down in a chronic depression and accompanying mass unemployment crisis that shows no signs of ending.

In Germany, however, the official rate of unemployment is below 5 percent. That is even lower than the "low" unemployment rate reported for the U.S. economy. The point is not that there is really "full employment" in Germany, but that unemployment is considerably lower there than in most of the rest of Europe. This is confirmed by the current refugee crisis caused by a combination of U.S.-incited wars and grim economic conditions throughout North Africa and the Middle East, now further aggravated by the low price of oil.

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Bernanke's complaint against the German industrial capitalists is an old one for Germany's competitors. In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, Germany was doing exactly the same thing. Pre-World War I recessions were relatively brief and mild in Germany because Germany was able to export itself out of them at the expense of its capitalist competitors. Indeed, from the 1880s until the coming of the "Great War" in August 1914, Germany experienced no major economic crises.

The rapid growth of German industry fueled the growth of the classic German Social Democracy and made possible the financing of Germany's pioneering "welfare state." This convinced many of the German Social Democratic and trade union leaders that prosperity, at least for Germany, was permanent. Therefore, they reasoned, German capitalism would gradually evolve into something that could be called a socialist society without any major disruptions, not to speak of revolutions. What they didn't reckon with was the fact that Germany's competitors, which were coming up second best in the economic competition, were not going to stand idly by while the German capitalists stripped them of more and more of their markets.

Britain, which had been the strongest industrial power since the industrial revolution of the late 18th century, was particularly alarmed by Germany's growing industrial power. It responded by forming alliances with France and czarist Russia in an attempt to contain Germany. The result was the Great War and the horrors that flowed directly from it, which included the Great Depression of the 1930s and the rise to power of fascism in Germany. Now it seems that history is beginning to repeat itself, at least on the economic plane.

"Nobody," Bernanke writes, "is suggesting that the well-known efficiency and quality of German production are anything other than good things, or that German firms should not strive to compete in export markets." But you can almost hear Bernanke mumble, but why do the Germans have to be so much better at producing such high-quality products more cheaply than anybody else, and who won the last two world wars anyway.

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­Zetsche's remarks tell us a lot about the relationship of forces in today's imperialist-dominated world. First, it shows that despite the tremendous progress China has made since the victory of its great people's revolution of 1949, it remains very much an exploited nation. Foxconn is owned by Chinese capitalists based not on the mainland ruled by the People's Republic of China-though they carry out their production there-but rather in Taiwan, a part of China still effectively controlled by the United States. (4)

This shows that even in the political sense the liberation of China from imperialist dismemberment is incomplete and won't be complete until Taiwan, and Hong Kong as well, are fully integrated into the People's Republic of China. The nature of the political social, and economic institutions of the future fully united China is the business of the Chinese people themselves and not of the imperialists, or for that matter well-meaning Western leftists who believe they "know" what is best for the Chinese people. Zetsche's observations should also put to rest claims that today's China is the new imperialist superpower ready to impose its rule over our planet.

The main theme of this blog is crisis theory, but a secondary theme has been the rise and development of the U.S. world empire, whose realm-or "reich" in German-has spread throughout the world. This is the real reich we have to deal with today and not an imaginary reich where Germany won World War II and the swastika flag flies over the White House. (5)

As we have explained in earlier posts, the American empire has an inner and outer core. The realm-or reich-of the dollar is the globe. No country, not even Cuba or North Korea, can escape the dollar's reich. When the Open Market Committee of the U.S. Federal Reserve System meets, all countries hold their breath. There is also the smaller empire of NATO and its allied institutions such as the U.S.-Japan Security Agreement and the "special relationship" with Israel.

The U.S. empire is increasingly moving to merge these auxiliary alliances into the structure of NATO. When I say NATO, I mean unless otherwise noted NATO plus these auxiliary alliances. All NATO countries, as defined here, are under the effective military control of the United States. While the governments of these countries are more than puppet governments, they are unable to take major decisions involving peace and war without the approval of the government of the United States.

A recent example is the decision of the U.S. government to gradually lift the economic blockade of Iran in exchange for Iran reaffirming its decision not to produce nuclear weapons, accepting restrictions on its civilian nuclear energy program, and agreeing to inspections. Despite Israel's strong objections to this agreement, and Netanyahu's direct appeal to the U.S. Congress, the agreement is going ahead.

Another example is the decision of the U.S. to impose sanctions on Russia over the Ukrainian crisis. Though it is obvious the governments of most of the West European countries, especially the German government, are not enthusiastic about these sanctions, which hurt their own capitalists, they cannot override Washington's decision. Within "the NATO reich," these subordinate countries have what amounts to consultative votes while Washington alone has a decisive vote.

The civilian governments of the NATO countries-again broadly defined-lack full control over their armed forces and face ouster if they defy the will of the Empire in any matter that the U.S. government considers vital. This situation has long been the case with many Latin American countries, even before the rise of the modern NATO. Latin American countries have a long history of military coups that have ousted many a government that has defied the will of Washington. In more recent years, Washington has used the coup weapon more sparingly in the face of growing mass resistance to U.S. domination, but many a Latin American government knows very well that a pro-U.S. military is looking over their shoulders. This fact limits how far these governments can go in following policies that Washington does not approve of.

This situation, largely limited to Latin American counties before World War II, now includes all the NATO countries of both Western and Eastern Europe, Japan, some former Soviet republics, and not least Germany. The former Soviet Republic of Georgia-Stalin's homeland-and now the Ukraine are de facto members, though not formally members of NATO. However, NATO does not include Russia, the largest of the former Soviet Republics, nor does it include the government of the former Soviet republic of Belarus.

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For now, however, the U.S. keeps tight control over the military forces of the other NATO countries, especially those of Japan and Germany. It is no accident that the main opponents of the U.S. in World War II are thoroughly networked with U.S. military bases. In addition, thanks to the bravery of Edward Snowden, we know that Germany is under intense NSA surveillance, including the mobile phone of German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

Despite their alleged "friendship" and alliance, there is no trust and no true friendship and there never can be between rival imperialist robber states. However, as long as the military spending of Germany and other European countries, as well as Japan, remains low relative to U.S. spending, their capitalists can convert more of their profits into new productive capital than the U.S capitalists can. This puts the U.S. industrial capitalists at a disadvantage in the struggle for the scarce consumer dollar.

The U.S., therefore, wants the other imperialist countries-especially Germany and Japan-to convert some their profits instead into means of destruction. To the extent this happens, the capitalist development of such dangerous economic competitors as Germany and Japan is slowed down allowing U.S. corporations to convert more of their profits into means of production, thus improving their competitive position relative to the Germans and Japanese while the U.S. remains in overall control of the Empire's military forces. It has the further advantage for the U.S. government that it faces less domestic opposition to colonial wars to the extent German and Japanese solders do more of the fighting.

The government of Japan has just agreed to revise its U.S.-imposed "peace constitution" to enable the Japanese government not to fight wars in its own interest against the U.S. but rather fight wars beside the United States, much like German forces fought under the command of the U.S.-dominated reich against Yugoslavia in the 1990s and more recently in Afghanistan.

This is a very dangerous development, especially in light of moves by the U.S. to encircle China, which are all too reminiscent of Britain's attempts to encircle Germany before 1914. We all know how that turned out.

After World War II, the United States was determined to bring all the imperialist countries under its military control-first the defeated Axis powers of Germany, Japan and Italy and then increasingly its "victorious allies," Britain and France, through the NATO alliance.

NATO proper increasingly includes not only the imperialist countries but oppressed countries. The first such country to be granted formal membership was Turkey, which has special importance because of its control of the Dardanelles, linking the Black Sea with the Mediterranean Sea. The Empire's control of the Mediterranean would be seriously undermined if Turkey were to escape clutches of NATO.

Israel, today's "white colony" of the U.S. and an unofficial NATO member also plays an important role in the Empire's control of the Mediterranean.

At the end of the Cold War, the newly capitalist oppressed countries of Eastern Europe were signed up as formal NATO members, violating the meaningless assurances that George H.W. Bush gave to Gorbachev that NATO would not expand eastward. In fact, NATO has been expanding ever deeper into what was the Soviet Union. NATO's most recent addition, though so far unofficially, is the grain and natural gas-rich Ukraine-minus Crimea and so far the Peoples Republics of largely Russian-speaking Donetsk and Lugansk. This fact is important because Washington and its NATO satellites are not obliged by treaty obligations to automatically defend the Kiev junta under the doctrine that an attack on one NATO member is an attack on all NATO members.

If, however, Ukraine becomes an official NATO member, this would not be the case. Fortunately, there is still time to fight the Kiev's junta's attempt to become an official member of NATO. If Kiev does achieve this goal, the chances of a shooting war at some point between the United States and its NATO satellites (including Germany) and Russia would rise considerably.

How NATO works

NATO formally came into existence in 1949, but its real origins can be traced back to the D-Day of the invasion by the United States and Britain of Nazi Germany-dominated Europe on June 6, 1944. As the U.S.-British forces advanced eastward across France and into Germany, all of Europe west of the advancing Soviet army fell under the domination of proto-NATO. However, the growing proto-NATO empire came to a halt on a line drawn by the Soviet army, which was advancing on Berlin from the east.

As NATO was formalized after World War II, its members were given a voice in its decision-making, but it is the U.S. government that ultimately decides. An example of this came in 1990 as the wave of counterrevolutions swept Eastern Europe and what was soon to be the former Soviet Union. The Socialist Unity Party (SED) government that had ruled the German Democratic Republic-East Germany-had been overthrown with the direct assistance of the Gorbachev regime. No realistic observer at the time had any doubt that the overthrow of the SED would mean the restoration of capitalism in the GDR. But the question remained, would the German Democratic Republic continue to exist as a third German state alongside the Federal Republic of Germany-West Germany-and Austria, or would it be merged with the Federal Republic of Germany in a united Germany-excluding Austria?

France was opposed to the merger of the GDR and the Federal Republic of Germany. It wanted to keep Germany as weak as possible, both as an economic competitor and a potential military enemy. But the final decision was Washington's. It decided to give the green light to the merger of the GDR with the Federal Republic of Germany.

But the U.S. insisted that the new united Germany would have to be a member of NATO. The Warsaw Pact, the answer of the European socialist countries to NATO, was to be dissolved as NATO was extended. France had no alternative but to agree-unless it wanted to go to war with Germany and the United States and with the other NATO countries. And that, of course, was out of the question.

When Washington agreed to the Federal Republic swallowing the German Democratic Republic, Washington insisted that the Federal Republic in exchange had to drop its demands for the return of its lost eastern territories, mostly in Poland, that had been part of Germany before World War II.

Indeed, if you look at the map of present-day Germany, you find that its capital, Berlin, is not more or less in the center of the country like it was before 1914 but in the far east of Germany almost tucked up against the Polish border. But Poland, just like Germany and France, is now part of NATO. As long as NATO lasts, this means that if Germany wants to get back the territories it lost to Poland, it would have to either get Washington's permission or go to war not only with Poland but with NATO as a whole, including the United States. This, at least, given the current balance of forces is not feasible. Washington as the master of NATO therefore emerges as Poland's protector from an economically resurgent but NATO-constrained Germany.

Farther east, a similar situation is emerging. In 1939, as part of the short-lived non-aggression pact between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union, the non-Polish territories that Poland had taken from the Ukraine and Belorussians as a result of the Versailles Treaty and the Soviet-Polish war of 1920 were to become part of the Ukrainian and Belorussian republics, then part of the Soviet Union. Today, Warsaw is looking eastward, and we can assume some in Poland would like to get back Poland's lost territories in Ukraine and Belarus. But as Ukraine is now being integrated into NATO, Poland will not be able to get these territories unless Washington agrees or Poland is prepared to go to war with the U.S. and NATO. Just like Poland enjoys Washington's protection from its fellow NATO member Germany, the Ukraine as a de facto member of NATO in turn "enjoys" Washington's protection from NATO member Poland

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The countries that remain outside of NATO's grasp, including the Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China, are forced to participate in such Washington-controlled organizations as the World Trade Organization and the International Monetary Fund. Recently, the non-NATO countries led by the BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa) have created parallel organizations to the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank. However, so far there are no moves to create parallels to the the U.S. dollar, and above all, there is no move to create a parallel military alliance that could stand up to NATO. As a result, the BRICS countries are obliged to remain members of the WTO.

All WTO members have to give up key elements of their sovereignty such as what tariff policy they can follow and, very importantly, their control over patents and copyrights, including software copyrights. This allows U.S. corporations to sue companies in other countries on the ground that they are violating intellectual property rights. For example, Apple recently sued the South Korean-based Samsung, claiming that Samsung smart-phones violated Apple's patents. Not surprisingly, the U.S. federal jury found in favor of Apple's claims.

When such lawsuits are filed, a U.S. jury-an organ of the state-decides whether or not a foreign company can or cannot produce a given commodity and how much money the foreign company is obliged to pay the U.S. company if it is found to be in violation of the U.S. company's "intellectual property."

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Countries outside of NATO and its unofficial extensions have considerably more room to resist the control of their industrial production by the U.S. state. For example, South Korea is very much a U.S. neo-colony notwithstanding its considerable degree of industrialization. It is in no position to seriously resist U.S. government control of their production in the profit interests of U.S. corporations. They are largely forced to defend their interests in U.S. courts, where they are at a considerable disadvantage.

The People's Republic of China, in contrast, stands outside of NATO. The U.S. press periodically runs articles complaining that Chinese companies are "counterfeiting" Apple's iPhones and other iThings. As we know, Apple's "legal products" are also assembled in China, but it seems that this does not give Chinese capitalists the right to compete with Apple in the spirit of free competition.

These reporters have apparently forgotten their Adam Smith. The great classical Scottish economist explained that all that keeps the individual capitalist honest and prices anywhere near their "natural price"-price of production-is the ability of other competing capitalists to manufacture and sell competing products. This is why Smith advised the government to stay out of the business of telling individual capitalists what commodities they are not allowed to produce and sell.

What would the old Scottish economist have thought of the concept of "counterfeit products"? He no doubt would have explained that there is quite a difference between the economic effects of counterfeiting currency and freely producing commodities of a given use value! If a commodity is "counterfeited" as a result of free competition, he would have explained, its "value in use" is in no way impaired. Instead, the profit rates of the capitalists engaged in producing it are reduced to more or less the average rate. He further explained that this was a very good thing. If paper currency, in contrast, is freely counterfeited, its "value in use"-to represent money in circulation-is destroyed. That, of course, is a very bad thing.

Adam Smith's principles are far more respected in the People's Republic China these days than in the U.S. This shows that capitalism is not yet as outlived in China as it is in the U.S. The U.S. and the U.S. media take for granted not only the fact that the government can tell the capitalists what they are and are not allowed to produce and sell but that the U.S. state-and its organs like U.S. juries-can tell the capitalists of any other country in the world what they are allowed and not allowed to produce.

In this way, the principle of the national sovereignty of other countries is violated as well as the basic principles of "perfect liberty," as Adam Smith called free competition. However, even China as far I know would not allow any of its industrial capitalists to produce and sell a Hackintosh, not even for domestic consumption on the home market and certainly not for export. The U.S. government-dominated WTO will not allow Adam Smith-style free enterprise to be fully practiced in the People's Republic of China-or anywhere else. Free enterprise is the American Way, but super-profits are what the game is all about.

The unique evils of the Third Reich

More than 70 years have passed since Adolf Hitler committed suicide in a Berlin bunker to avoid capture by the Soviet forces fighting their way into central Berlin, or what was left of it. Two generations of imperialist propaganda have mystified the reality of the Third Reich. Nowadays, the policy of Hitler's government of killing every Jewish man, women and child has been emphasized at the expense of all the other features of the Third Reich. Worse, it is done in a way to justify the establishment of apartheid Israel.

As a result, younger people who are finding out that the imperialists lie about practically everything may suspect that they are lying about Nazi Germany to justify Israel's crimes against the Palestinian people. There is, however, no doubt whatsoever that Hitler's policy of killing every Jewish man, women, child, and baby is a crime unique in history-"Jewish" defined in terms of race and not religious belief. Atheist and Christian "Jews" were defined as "racial" Jews by the laws of the Third Reich. This crime must never be forgotten or trivialized by making false analogies.

The U.S. government and media are guilty of constantly trivializing the crimes of the Third Reich-which included not only those against Jewish people-whenever U.S. imperialism attacks an independent country and its leader is equated to Hitler. Young people who are taught relatively little about European history and are learning to distrust with good reason the history they are taught are encouraged to draw the conclusion that perhaps Adolf Hitler was not really that bad. Perhaps, they think, Hitler's only real crime was that he opposed the drive to world domination by the United States in the interest of his country, much like was the case with Yugoslav President Slobodan Milošević, Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, Libyan leader Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, or Syrian President Bashar al-Assad today.

Particularly outrageous is the growing tendency of Anglo-American professors of history to group Hitler with China's Mao Zedong as examples of the most evil dictators in world history. (9) These professors, "historians," and journalists should be called to order by all who care about the truth of what really happened in the 20th century. Such comparisons are, of course, deeply offensive to the people of China. You would think the leaders of Jewish organizations would feel the same way. But unfortunately the official leaders of the Jewish world are so committed to Zionism and defending the crimes of the state of Israel against the Palestinian people that they allow these outrageous comparisons between Mao and Hitler to pass as though it was the most natural thing in the world.

Bad as were the crimes of the Third Reich against the Jewish people, the Roma people-the so-called "gypsies"-homosexuals, and people with disabilities, they form only a part of its crimes. A central feature of fascism in general and German fascism-so-called National Socialism-in particular-is its hostility to all forms of organization of the working class. The Nazis were determined to destroy all forms of "Marxism." In Nazi terminology, this referred to both Social Democrats and "Bolshevism"-the Communist movement. They even abolished the anti-Marxist Catholic trade union movement.

It is easy to see why this aspect of the Third Reich is played down or more often ignored altogether nowadays. Unlike the case during the Cold War, the media largely ignores the trade union movement today. And when they do mention it, they treat it as a marginal remnant of the past with no future. Yet those who have studied the real history of the Third Reich know that before Jews were being thrown into concentration camps, not to speak of death camps, Communists to be followed by Social Democrats and trade union leaders were. Only after the workers' movement was smashed in Germany were the Jews and other victims rounded up and murdered in the death camps.

For this reason, I will examine the Third Reich and the circumstances both economic and political that led to its rise and fall. In what ways did Hitler's German empire resemble the other imperialist empires of Britain, France, Belgium and the present U.S. global empire and in what ways was it truly unique?

Of special interest is the role the Third Reich played in the rise of the present-day reich-the U.S. world empire.

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1 Volkswagen was founded in Nazi Germany by the Nazis in 1937. In a future post that will examine the nature of Nazi Germany, I will examine how and why this company came into being. The main problem with Volkswagen today, however, is not that it was founded by Nazis who are now long dead, but rather that it is a profit-driven corporation whose aim is to make a super-profit above and beyond the average rate of profit, just as all the other capitalist automobile companies are. (back)

2 Lenin stressed in his pamphlet "Imperialism" that uneven development is one of the most important characteristics of capitalism. It is interesting to see the former chairman of the U.S. Federal Reserve System-and our fellow blogger, the Republican Ben Bernanke-confirming Lenin on this point. (back)

3 The price of production, or production price for short, is the price that enables capitalists to realize the average rate of profit on their-or its, in the case of a corporation-total advanced capital. (back)

4 Taiwan was a part of China for centuries but was seized by Japan in 1895. The population of the island is overwhelmingly Han Chinese. It was returned to China in 1945 as a result of Japan's defeat in World War II. In 1949, the KMT-founded as a bourgeois nationalist party by China's first president, Sun Yat-sen-and headed by Chiang Kai-shek after Sun's death-were driven off the mainland and withdrew to Taiwan. There they continued to rule under U.S. protection as the "Republic of China."

During the Cold War, the U.S. media referred to the Chiang regime as "free China" or "nationalist China," while the People's Republic of China was referred to as "Red China." Chiang's regime continued to "represent" China in the U.N. until 1971. In the early 1970s, as the first steps toward normalized relations between the People's Republic of China and the United States were underway, the U.S. media dropped the term "Red China" and began to refer to China by its proper name the "People's Republic of China" or simply "mainland China"-or when they want to induce a feeling of hostility to China as "Communist China." The term "Red China" is no longer used.

The term "free China" or "nationalist China" has also disappeared from the U.S. media to be replaced by "Taiwan," which is treated as a separate country, though the government on Taiwan still calls itself the "Republic of China." The U.S. has encouraged the growth of a "pro-independence" party on Taiwan that claims that Taiwan is a separate country. The People's Republic of China insists that Taiwan is very much a part of China-a position also supported by the KMT.

The People's Republic of China hopes that peaceful reunification will occur in the future. However, it reserves the right to use force if peaceful means to bring about the reunification of China fail. Beijing's policy has since the days of Mao Zedong been to wait until China's rising military power obliges the U.S. to recognize in practice that Taiwan is indeed a part of China. At that point, Beijing hopes that a peaceful reunification of Taiwan with the rest of China will occur.

The U.S. for its part does not actually say it will and is not obliged by any treaty to defend Taiwan's "independence" in the event of armed conflict with the People's Republic of China. But it has hinted it might go to war to defend the "independence" of Taiwan. This is a brazen violation of China's right to self-determination and is one of the ways, though not the only one, that a shooting war could erupt between China and the U.S. (back)

5 Would a victory by Nazi Germany have resulted in the swastika flag of the Third Reich flying over the White House? A victory by the Nazis might well have occurred if bourgeois forces socially and politically analogous to those represented by Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin had taken over the USSR not in the 1980s, as occurred in real history, but rather in the 1930s and 1940s. I will examine this interesting question in the coming post that will examine the economics and politics of the Third Reich. (back)

6 An example of the growing instability of the dollar system is the current global economic slowdown-including the failure of U.S. industrial production to increase this year for the first time since the end of the Great Recession, despite strong auto sales and a recovering residential housing market. The immediate cause of this slowdown is the U.S. Federal Reserve Board's decision to end "quantitative easing." The Federal Reserve knows that if it resumes the quantitative easing policy, sooner or later a run on the dollar will occur that would put into question the continued rule of the "dollar reich" over the international monetary system and with it the "NATO reich" that the dollar reich finances. (back)

7 The danger that a local war can be transformed into a general war through alliances is illustrated by the events of 1914. The war began as a local war between Austria and Serbia. Germany came to the aid of its ally Austria. Russia then declared war on Germany and invaded Germany-with disastrous results for Russia-in an attempt to help its ally Serbia. Republican France then declared war on Germany in a move to protect its ally czarist Russia. And Britain then declared war on Germany in order to defend its allies Belgium, France and Russia. (back)

8 U.S. liberals-not to be confused with economic liberals-distinguish themselves from conservatives by advocating a larger role for government in the economy. U.S. conservatives, in contrast, are supposed to want to hold government intervention in the economy to a minimum.

But not all government intervention in a capitalist economy is progressive. Outlawing Hackintosh's in the interest of preserving Apple's super-profits is an example of a thoroughly reactionary form of state intervention. State intervention under capitalism can be progressive if it enables the productive forces to develop or at least be sustained. Similarly, state intervention that limits the workday, for example, is also progressive. But it can't be said that intervention by government is good in and of itself anymore than it can be said that it is always bad in and of itself. It all depends on the concrete circumstances. (back)

9 Just to name one these differences, Hitler fought a war of conquest against most of the other European nations, leading to the death of tens of millions of people. Mao fought a war for the liberation and unification of China. Perhaps only a professor who is a resident of a country whose territory has not been invaded by a foreign power for centuries can overlook this "tiny" difference between Hitler and Mao. There are many other differences as well, but this is not the place to list them since if I did I would have to write a large volume and not a footnote.

[Oct 04, 2015] Nonsense on data revisions

"... I was surprised how well the BBC political correspondent and ex-Tory Party student Nick Robinson came out in his economic reporting compared to the woeful stuff that those BBC correspondents claiming some sort of economic expertise faired. ..."
"... they are all of the neo-liberal religion; group-thinkers ..."
Oct 04, 2015 | mainlymacro.blogspot.com
mainly macro
Anonymous, 1 October 2015 at 01:04
When I reread my collection of BBC articles for the period 2008-15, some of which I have reposted on this blog in the past, I was surprised how well the BBC political correspondent and ex-Tory Party student Nick Robinson came out in his economic reporting compared to the woeful stuff that those BBC correspondents claiming some sort of economic expertise faired.

Since 2008, Robert Peston, Stephanie Flanders, Hugh Pym, and Andrew Neil have had terrible economic crises, and it must be more than just governmental pressure that has produced such concentrated ineptitude.

acorn, 1 October 2015
Alas, they are all of the neo-liberal religion; group-thinkers. Peston has never understood the difference between a currency issuing government and a currency using non-government sector. Hence, government financial accounts are totally different to a households financial accounts.

They all think that the government has to tax and/or borrow "money", before it has any to spend. Never stopping to think where the people it taxed or borrowed from, got such "money" in the first place.

Politicians and the IFS peddle the same myth. Liars and fakers the lot of them. Stick with the accountants.

http://www.icaew.com/en/about-icaew/newsroom/press-releases/2015-press-releases/fall-in-tax-receipts-hinders-progress-in-deficit-reduction-says-icaew

[Oct 04, 2015] Syria and the Danger of Moral Imperialism

Oct 02, 2015 | The American Conservative

A dozen years after George W. Bush invaded Iraq, ISIS occupies its second city, Mosul, controls its largest province, Anbar, and holds Anbar's capital, Ramadi, as Baghdad turns away from us-to Tehran. The cost to Iraqis of their "liberation"? A hundred thousand dead, half a million widows and fatherless children, millions gone from the country and, still, unending war.

How has Libya fared since we "liberated" that land? A failed state, it is torn apart by a civil war between an Islamist "Libya Dawn" in Tripoli and a Tobruk regime backed by Egypt's dictator.

Then there is Yemen. Since March, when Houthi rebels chased a Saudi sock puppet from power, Riyadh, backed by U.S. ordinance and intel, has been bombing that poorest of nations in the Arab world. Five thousand are dead and 25,000 wounded since March. And as the 25 million Yemeni depend on imports for food, which have been largely cut off, what is happening is described by one U.N. official as a "humanitarian catastrophe."

... ... ...

What Putin seems to be saying to us is this:

If America's elites continue to assert their right to intervene in the internal affairs of nations, to make them conform to a U.S. ideal of what is a good society and legitimate government, then we are headed for endless conflict. And, one day, this will inevitably result in war, as more and more nations resist America's moral imperialism.

Nations have a right to be themselves, Putin is saying. They have the right to reflect in their institutions their own histories, beliefs, values and traditions, even if that results in what Americans regard as illiberal democracies or authoritarian capitalism or even Muslim theocracies.

There was a time, not so long ago, when Americans had no problem with this, when Americans accepted a diversity of regimes abroad. Indeed, a belief in nonintervention abroad was once the very cornerstone of American foreign policy.

[Oct 03, 2015] Oil Bulls Lose Faith in Recovery as Russia Adds to Global Glut

Looks like Bloomberg is becoming Fox of economic and financial news...
"Other countries, such as Russia, are pumping at full tilt" looks like a lie. Russia production might be cur if additional tax on oil producers is restored by government.
I also like ""The U.S. producers are the only ones doing their part to reduce the global glut," -- another lie. shale producers are uncompetitive at this level f prices and some can't even serve their debt. the same is true for oil sands. They are cutting all corners, endangering the environment.
There is no return to "cheap oil" regime despite period of overinvestment that was bright by prices above $80 per barrel.
The fact that "Retail investors which pulled $393 million in September" just confirm that they are a food for Wall Street sharks... Moreover investment in oil ETFs with their complex "futures based" algorithms of matching oil price is in itself probably a sign of not being too intelligent. The game on this table of Wall Street casino is a for professionals and HFT robots, not for lemmings (aka retail investors).
"... U.S. crude output is down 514,000 barrels a day from a four-decade high reached in June, Energy Information Administration data show. The number of rigs targeting oil in the U.S. dropped to a five year low, Baker Hughes Inc. said Oct. 2. ..."
Oct 03, 2015 | Bloomberg Business

Hedge funds trimmed bullish oil bets for the first time in six weeks, losing faith in a swift recovery as Russia boosted output to the highest since the Soviet Union collapsed.

Speculators reduced their net-long position in West Texas Intermediate crude by 9.1 percent in the week ended Sept. 29, according to data from the Commodity Futures Trading Commission. Longs dropped from a 12-week high while shorts increased.

U.S. crude output is down 514,000 barrels a day from a four-decade high reached in June, Energy Information Administration data show. The number of rigs targeting oil in the U.S. dropped to a five year low, Baker Hughes Inc. said Oct. 2. WTI traded in the tightest range since June last month as China's slowing economy and the highest Russian output in two decades signaled the global glut will linger.

"The U.S. producers are the only ones doing their part to reduce the global glut," John Kilduff, a partner at Again Capital LLC, a New York-based hedge fund, said by phone. "Other countries, such as Russia, are pumping at full tilt. The cutbacks by shale producers here aren't going to have much impact, especially given the slowing global economy."

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Russian oil output rose to a post-Soviet record last month as producers took advantage of the weak ruble to push ahead with drilling. The nation's production of crude and condensate climbed to 10.74 million barrels a day, 1 percent more than a year earlier and topping a record set in June, according to data from the Energy Ministry's CDU-TEK unit.

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Investors pulled $393 million in September from United States Oil Fund, the largest U.S. exchange-traded product that tracks crude futures, the biggest withdrawal since April.

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[Oct 03, 2015] Lawrence Wilkerson The Empire is in Deep, Deep Trouble

Oct 03, 2015 | naked capitalism

This is a must-watch video. Wilkerson describes the path of empires in decline and shows how the US is following the classic trajectory. He contends that the US needs to make a transition to being one of many powers and focus more on strategies of international cooperation.

The video is full of rich historical detail and terrific, if sobering, nuggets, such as:


History tells us we're probably finished.

The rest of of the world is awakening to the fact that the United States is 1) strategically inept and 2) not the power it used to be. And that the trend is to increase that.

Wilkerson includes in his talk not just the way that the US projects power abroad, but internal symptoms of decline, such as concentration of wealth and power, corruption and the disproportionate role of financial interests.

Wilkerson also says the odds of rapid collapse of the US as an empire is much greater is generally recognized. He also includes the issues of climate change and resource constraints, and points out how perverse it is that the Department of Defense is the agency that is taking climate change most seriously. He says that the worst cases scenario projected by scientists is that the world will have enough arable land to support 400 million people (no typo).

Be sure to listen to the Q&A as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckjY-FW7-dc

Published on Sep 24, 2015

The speech covered National Security, Climate Change, Interminable War, Debt, Immigration, Inequality, racism, and much more. The speech is striking in its honesty. It is likely poignant to Republicans who have bought into rationalization of the intransigence of the Republican Party.

Foy, October 3, 2015 at 7:26 am

Thanks for the link Yves, that's a first class speech. Great to hear one that is 'off the cuff' with no notes etc. Hits it out of the park on each point he makes. So many great lines in it.

"Empires at the end concentrate on military force as the be all and end all of power… at the end they use more mercenary based forces than citizen based forces"

"Empires at the end…go ethically and morally bankrupt… they end up with bankers and financiers running the empire, sound familiar?"

"So they [empires] will go out for example, when an attack occurs on them by barbarians that kills 3000 of their citizens, mostly because of their negligence, they will go out and kill 300,000 people and spend 3 trillion dollars in order to counter that threat to the status quo. They will then proceed throughout the world to exacerbate that threat by their own actions, sound familiar?…This is what they [empires] do particularly when they are getting ready to collapse"

"This is what empires in decline do, they can't even in govern themselves"

Quoting a Chinese man who was a democrat, then a communist (under Mao) then, when he became disenchanted, a poet and writer…

"You can sit around a table and talk about politics, about social issues, about anything and you can have a reasonable discussion with a reasonable person. But start talking about the mal-distribution of wealth and you better get your gun" …."that's where we are, in Europe and the United States".

And all from a retired republican colonel…

Norb, October 3, 2015 at 8:17 am

How many chances can "Rich and Powerful Men" be given to determine the direction of civilization? It seems that those in power believe that if they are part of the 400 million class that survives the current crisis, all is well in the world. The powerless will die in their millions, and the wealthy move along to the next phase in the human drama.

We are facing a crisis of accountability. We as citizens of this country have to find ways of holding those in power accountable for their actions. Wilkerson seems to have a conscience, but it is troubling to hear some of his "solutions" to the crisis we face. He is part of the military industrial complex we were warned about and still people seek out his advice. He spends his time advising how to relocate military bases due to sea level rise- WTF.

If our energy, resources, and political thought don't center around ending poverty, bringing social justice to all of humanity, and limiting war- the future for humanity will be bleak.

Llewelyn Moss, October 3, 2015 at 8:31 am

Who could have known that Perpetual Carpet Bombing Of The World… would SOLVE NOTHING and destroy the US financially and morally. Who could have known… except anyone with half a brain.

If Wilkerson is a true MIC Lacky, I'm much less interested in hearing his solution.

Radu Andrei

Here's what i do not understand: if "your party" is so extremist that it no longer represents any of your beliefs and political/social/fiscal positions, why the hell is it still "your party" ? I do hope it's just the attachment to the word "republican" and when it comes to voting you do it with your head.

On a side note, i like this person. A true republican, NOT the ultra-religious, warmongering, xenophobic, bigoted, anti science, anti environment, oblivious to facts, obtuse, disingenuous, backstabbing, hypocritical and hateful breed that's surfacing lately.

Sabine Ziya

I agree with you Radu. It's scary to watch the Republican party right now. They are so full of hate. They claim to walk the way of their Jesus Christ, but I wonder if Jesus would call them Pharisees, blasphemous, and hypocritical.


[Sep 29, 2015] World set for emerging market mass default, warns IMF - Telegraph

"... Exactly what was engineered, the oligarchs of the US Neoliberal Empire will now be able to pick up "emerging market" assets for pennies on the dollar increase their already vast holdings and secure Neoliberalism - or more correctly Neo-feudalism in fancy dress. ..."
"... We have seen the Neoliberals do this kind of empire building for the last 30 years first the Savings and Loan "crisis" in the 1990s which transferred over 300 billion in middle class assets into the hands of the Bass brothers and a few other oligarchs including the Cargill family at the time the largest transfer of wealth in peace time. ..."
"... The Great Neoliberal Empire of the Exceptionals has a big big appetite which will not be satisfied until the own the entire planet and rather than 4 billion people living on $2 a day it will be 7.3 billion. The Neoliberal world view [is one] of a few thousand oligarchs and Bangladesh as the rest of the world. ..."
Sep 29, 2015 | telegraph.co.uk

TheBoggart

"The International Monetary Fund (IMF) has issued a double warning over higher US interest rates, which it said could trigger a wave of emerging
market corporate defaults"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

blueba • 7 hours ago

Exactly what was engineered, the oligarchs of the US Neoliberal Empire will now be able to pick up "emerging market" assets for pennies on the dollar increase their already vast holdings and secure Neoliberalism - or more correctly Neo-feudalism in fancy dress.

We have seen the Neoliberals do this kind of empire building for the last 30 years first the Savings and Loan "crisis" in the 1990s which transferred over 300 billion in middle class assets into the hands of the Bass brothers and a few other oligarchs including the Cargill family at the time the largest transfer of wealth in peace time. Then a few more small transfers and the the big "crisis" of 2007-8 which is ongoing and where close to a trillion in assets were consolidated in the hands of oligarchs.

First load on the debt with money created out of thin air by banks, then foreclose after the phony "bubble" bursts. Then walk away Scott free with the assets.

The Great Neoliberal Empire of the Exceptionals has a big big appetite which will not be satisfied until the own the entire planet and rather than 4 billion people living on $2 a day it will be 7.3 billion. The Neoliberal world view [is one] of a few thousand oligarchs and Bangladesh as the rest of the world.

[Sep 28, 2015] Obama America Has Few4 Economic Interests In Ukraine... And This Very Big One

Sep 28, 2015 | Zero Hedge
As part of his UN speech seeking to restore a crumbling Pax Americana, president Obama, eager to cover up US involvement in the Ukraine presidential coup of early 2014 (who can forget Victoria Nuland "strategy" interception in which she laid out the post-coup lay of the land, while saying to "fuck the EU"), just said that "America has few economic interest in Ukraine."

Herdee

Where and what did they do with Ukraine's gold bullion reserves and who is in possession of them right now and why is it such a big secret to everyone that overthrew the Government there?

directaction

Who cares? The Ukraine gold and all the rest of their resources are legitimate wartime plunder, booty, if you will. If the Ukrainians are stupid enough to happily allow the USA to barge in and take everything of value from them why should we weep?

viator

"George Soros has long called for the West to pump billions into Ukraine. Now he says he's ready to walk the talk.
The veteran hedge fund investor told an Austrian newspaper he was prepared to invest $1 billion in the collapsing war-ravaged economy under certain circumstances.

"There are concrete investment ideas, for example in agriculture and infrastructure projects. I would put in $1 billion," he told Der Standard. "This must generate a profit. My foundation would benefit from this, not me personally."

The Hungarian-born billionaire said Europe and the U.S. must show strong political leadership over Ukraine -- that would make it more attractive to private investors. The West could provide finance at European interest rates close to zero, for example.

A spokesman for Soros said his investment would depend on the West doing "whatever it takes" to rescue Ukraine."

http://money.cnn.com/2015/03/30/investing/ukraine-soros-billion-russia/

The Indelicate ...

What do you figure, LL - is the "New Khazaria" theory in any way legit, or is it bullshit?

Israel's Secret Plan for a "Second Israel" in Ukraine
http://m.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/12/03/israel-secret-plan-for-se...

Notwithstanding the heavy presence of dual citizens yadda yadda, I kinda think the "secret report" was tongue-in-cheek and that this is basically bullshit. But in this messed up crazy world... stranger things....

I don't see Crimea going back to Ukraine though.

Latina Lover

Since the discussion is now academic (Crimea is not leaving Russia unless Russia itself is destroyed), I will be brief.

Kolomoysky is the president of a European Jewish Group, and active in Chabad. He was promoting Crimea as an alternate Jewish homeland until Crimea rejoined Russia. Kolomoysky then lost his real estate holdings, and Chabad the ability to dominate the Crimea.

If you are interested in further background, check out the following link:

http://www.inss.org.il/uploadImages/systemFiles/The%20Jewish.pdf

[Sep 27, 2015] How America built its empire The real history of American foreign policy that the media won't tell you

Sep 27, 2015 | www.salon.com

Salon.com

The book tries to do two things. One is to cover the history of American foreign policy, from around 1900 to the present, tracing the gradual construction of a global empire. This first really came into view as a prospect during the Second World War and is today a reality across all five continents, as a glance at the skein of its military bases makes clear. The Cold War was a central episode within this trajectory, but the book doesn't treat just the U.S. record vis-á-vis the USSR or China. It tries to deal equally with American relations with the Europe and Japan, and also with the Third World, treated not as a homogenous entity but as four or five zones that required different policy combinations.

The second part of the book is a survey of American grand strategy-that is, the different ways leading counselors of state interpret the current position of the United States on the world stage and their recommendations for what Washington should do about it.

The "big think" set, in other words-Kissinger, of course, Brzezinski, Walter Russell Mead, Robert Kagan. And then people such as Francis Fukuyama, whom I consider a ridiculous figure but whose thinking you judged worth some scrutiny. How did you choose these?

From the range of in-and-outers-thinkers moving between government and the academy or think-tanks-who have sought to guide U.S. foreign policy since 2000, with some intellectual originality. Kissinger isn't among these. His ideas belong to a previous epoch, his later offerings are boilerplate. Fukuyama, who sensed what the effects of office on thought could be, and got out of state service quite early, is a mind of a different order. The figures selected cover the span of options within what has always been a bipartisan establishment.

You make a distinction between American exceptionalism, which is much in the air, and American universalism, which few of us understand as a separate matter. The first holds America to be singular (exceptional), and the second that the world is destined to follow us, that the trails we've blazed are the future of humanity. You call this a "potentially unstable compound." Could you elaborate on this distinction, and explain why you think it's unstable?

It's unstable because the first can exist without the second. There is, of course, a famous ideological linkage between the two in the religious idea, specific to the United States, of Providence-that is, divine Providence. In your own book "Time No Longer" you cite an astounding expression of this notion: "However one comes to the debate, there can be little question that the hand of Providence has been on a nation which finds a Washington, a Lincoln, or a Roosevelt when it needs him." That pronouncement was delivered in the mid-1990s-not by some television preacher, but by Seymour Martin Lipset: chairs at Harvard and Stanford, president of both the American Sociological and the American Political Science Associations, a one-time social democrat.

What is the force of this idea? A belief that God has singled out America as a chosen nation for exceptional blessings, a notion which then easily becomes a conviction of its mission to bring the benefits of the Lord to the world. President after president, from Truman through to Kennedy, the younger Bush to Obama, reiterate the same tropes: "God has given us this, God has given us that," and with the unique freedom and prosperity he has conferred on us comes a universal calling to spread these benefits to the rest of the world. What is the title of the most ambitious contemporary account of the underlying structures of American foreign policy? "Special Providence," by Walter Russell Mead. Year of publication: 2001.

But while a messianic universalism follows easily from providential exceptionalism, it is not an ineluctable consequence of it. You mount a powerful attack on the idea of exceptionalism in "Time No Longer," but-we may differ on this-if we ask what is the more dangerous element in the unstable compound of the nation's image of itself, I would say exceptionalism is the less dangerous. That may seem paradoxical. But historically the idea of exceptionalism allowed for an alternative, more modest deduction: that the country was different from all others, and so should not be meddling with them-the argument of Washington's Farewell Address [in 1796].

A century later, this position became known as isolationism, and as the American empire took shape, it was all but invariably castigated as narrow-minded, short-sighted and selfish. But it could often be connected with a sense that the republic was in danger at home, with domestic ills that needed to be addressed, which vast ambitions abroad would only compound. Mead terms this strand in American sensibility Jeffersonian, which isn't an accurate description of Jefferson's own empire-building outlook, but he otherwise captures it quite well.

We don't ordinarily apply the term "exceptionalist" in the same breath to America and to Japan, though if there is any nation that claims to be completely unique, it is Japan. But the claim produced a drastic isolationism as a national impulse, both in the Tokugawa period [1603-1868, a period of severely enforced seclusion] and after the war. Does that support the point you're making?

Exactly. Historically, exceptionalism could generate a self-limiting, self-enclosing logic as well as the gigantic expansionist vanities of the Co-Prosperity Sphere and the "Free World" [narrative]. In the American case, the two strands of exceptionalism and universalism remained distinct, respectively as isolationist and interventionist impulses, sometimes converging but often diverging, down to the Second World War. Then they fused. The thinker who wrote best about this was Franz Schurmann, whose " Logic of World Power" came out during the Vietnam War. He argued that each had a distinct political-regional base: the social constituency for isolationism was small business and farming communities in the Midwest, for interventionism it was the banking and manufacturing elites of the East Coast, with often sharp conflicts between the two up through the end of thirties. But in the course of the Second World War they came together in a synthesis he attributed-somewhat prematurely-to FDR, and they have remained essentially interwoven ever since. The emblematic figure of this change was [Arthur H.] Vandenberg, the Republican Senator from Michigan [1928-51], who remained an isolationist critic of interventionism even for a time after Pearl Harbor, but by the end of the war had become a pillar of the new imperial consensus.

Mainstream debate today seems to have constructed two very stark alternatives: There is either engagement or isolation. In this construction, engagement means military engagement; if we are not going to be militarily engaged we are isolationists. I find that absolutely wrong. There are multiple ways of being engaged with the world that have nothing to do with military assertion.

True, but engagement in that usage doesn't mean just military engagement, but power projection more generally. One of the thinkers I discuss toward the end of my book is Robert Art, a lucid theorist of military power and its political importance to America, who argues for what he calls selective-expressly, not universal-engagement. What is unusual about him is that in seeking to discriminate among engagements the U.S. should and should not select, he starts considering in a serious, non-dismissive way what would typically be construed as isolationist alternatives, even if ending with a fairly conventional position.

How far do you view the contemporary American crisis-if you accept that we are living through one-as, at least in part, one of consciousness? As an American, I tend to think that no significant departure from where find ourselves today can be achieved until we alter our deepest notions of ourselves and our place among others. I pose this question with some trepidation, since a change in consciousness is a generational project, if not more. Our leadership is not remotely close even to thinking about this. I'm suggesting a psychological dimension to our predicament, and you may think I put too much weight on that.

You ask at the outset whether I accept that Americans are living through a crisis. My reply would be: not anything like the order of crisis that would bring about the sort of change in consciousness for which you might hope. You describe that as a generational project, and there, yes, one can say that among the youngest cohorts of the U.S. population, the ideologies of the status quo are less deeply embedded, and in certain layers even greatly weakened. That is an important change, but it's generational, rather than society-wide, and it's not irreversible.

At the level of the great majority, including, naturally, the upper middle class, the image you use to describe the purpose of your last book applies: you write that it aims "to sound the tense strings wound between the pegs of myth and history during the hundred years and a few that I take to be the American century. It is this high, piercing tone that Americans now have a chance to render, hear, and recognize all at once. We have neither sounded nor heard it yet." That's all too true, unfortunately. The most one can say is that, among a newer generation, the strings are fraying a bit.

I tend to distinguish between strong nations and the merely powerful, the former being supple and responsive to events, the later being brittle and unstable. Is this a useful way to judge America in the early 21st century-monumentally powerful but of dubious strength? If so, doesn't it imply some change in the American cast of mind, as the difference between the two sinks in?

That depends on the degree of instability you sense in the country. In general, a major change in consciousness occurs when there is a major alteration in material conditions of life. For example, if a deep economic depression or dire ecological disaster strikes a society, all bets are off. Then, suddenly, thoughts and actions that were previously inconceivable become possible and natural. That isn't the situation so far in America.

Can you discuss the new accord with Iran in this context? I don't see any question it's other than a breakthrough, a new direction. What do you think were the forces propelling the Obama administration to pursue this pact? And let's set aside the desire for a "legacy" every president cultivates late in his time.

The agreement with Iran is an American victory but not a departure in U.S. foreign policy. Economic pressure on Iran dates back to Carter's time, when the U.S. froze the country's overseas assets after the ousting of the Shah, and the full range of ongoing U.S. sanctions was imposed by the Clinton administration in 1996. The Bush administration escalated the pressure by securing U.N. generalization of sanctions in 2006, and the Obama administration has harvested the effect.

Over the past decade, the objective has always been the same: to protect Israel's nuclear monopoly in the region without risking an Israeli blitz on Iran to preserve it-that might set off too great a wave of popular anger in the Middle East. It was always likely, as I point out in "American Policy and its Thinkers," that the clerical regime in Tehran would buckle under a sustained blockade, if that was the price of its survival. The agreement includes a time-out clause to save its face, but the reality is an Iranian surrender.

You can see how little it means any alteration in imperial operations in the region by looking at what the Obama administration is doing in Yemen, assisting Saudi Arabia's wholesale destruction of civilian life there in the interest of thwarting imaginary Iranian schemes.

This next question vexes many people, me included. On the one hand, the drives underlying the American imperium are material: the expansion of capital and the projection of power by its political representatives. The American mythologies are shrouds around these. On the other hand, the issue of security has a long history among Americans. It is authentically an obsession independent of capital-American paranoia dates back at least to the 18th century. I don't take these two accountings to be mutually exclusive, but I'd be interested to know how you reconcile these different threads in American foreign policy.

Yes, there has been a longstanding-you could say aboriginal-obsession with security in the United States. This can be traced as an independent strand running through the history of American dealings with the outside world. What happened, of course, from the Cold War through to the "war on terror" was a ruthless instrumentalization of this anxiety for purposes of expansion rather than defense. At the start of the Cold War you had the National Security Act and the creation of the National Security Council, and today we have the National Security Agency. Security became a euphemistic cloak for aggrandizement.

The United States occupies the better part of a continent separated by two immense oceans, which nobody in modern history has had any serious chance of invading, unlike any other major state in the world, all of which have contiguous land-borders with rival powers, or are separated from them only by narrow seas. The U.S. is protected by a unique geographical privilege. But if its expansion overseas cannot be attributed to imperatives of security, what has driven it?

A gifted and important group of historians, the Wisconsin school [which included the late William Appleman Williams, among others], has argued that the secret of American expansion has from the beginning lain in the quest by native capital for continuously larger markets, which first produced pressure on the internal frontier and the march across the continent to the Pacific, and when the West Coast was reached, a drive beyond into Asia and Latin America, and ultimately the rest of the world, under the ideology of the Open Door.

A couple of good scholars, Melvyn Leffler and Wilson Miscamble, one a liberal and the other a conservative, have identified my position with this tradition, taxing me with a belief that American foreign policy is essentially just an outgrowth of American business. This is a mistake. My argument is rather that because of the enormous size and self-sufficiency of the American economy, the material power at the disposal of the American state exceeded anything that American capital could directly make use of or require.

If you look at the First World War, you can see this very clearly. East Coast bankers and munitions manufacturers did well out of supplying the Entente powers, but there was no meaningful economic rationale for American entry into the war itself. The U.S. could tip the scales in favor of the British and French variants of imperialism against the German and Austrian variants without much cost to itself, but also much to gain.

The same gap between the reach of American business and the power of the American state explains the later hegemony of the United States within the advanced capitalist world after the Second World War. Standard histories wax lyrical in admiration of the disinterested U.S. generosity that revived Germany and Japan with the Marshall and Dodge Plans [reconstruction programs after 1945], and it is indeed the case that policies crafted at the State and Defense Departments did not coincide with the desiderata of the Commerce Department. The key requirement was to rebuild these former enemies as stable capitalist bulwarks against communism, even if this meant there could be no simple Open Door into them for U.S. capital.

For strategic political reasons, the Japanese were allowed to re-create a highly protected economy, and American capital was by and large barred entry. The priority was to defend the general integrity of capitalism as a global system against the threat of socialism, not particular returns to U.S. business. The importance of those were never, of course, ignored. But they had to bide their time. Today's Trans-Pacific Partnership will finally pry open Japanese financial, retail and other markets that have remained closed for so long.

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Oddlots, September 26, 2015 at 9:38 am

This is full of insight to my mind:

http://www.salon.com/2015/09/23/how_america_built_its_empire_the_real_history_of_american_foreign_policy_that_the_media_wont_tell_you/

et Al, September 26, 2015 at 10:32 am
This stood out for me:

I'd like to turn to the origins of the Cold War, since I believe we are never going to get anywhere until these are honestly confronted. You give a forceful account of Stalin's reasons for avoiding confrontation after 1945 and Washington's reasons for not doing so. But should we attribute the outbreak of the Cold War to the U.S. without too much in the way of qualification?

We can look at the onset of the Cold War on two levels. One is that of punctual events. There, you are certainly right to pick out the ideological starting gun as Truman's speech on Greece in 1947, designed the "scare hell" out of voters to win acceptance for military aid to the Greek monarchy. In policy terms, however, the critical act that set the stage for confrontation with Moscow was the flat American refusal to allow any serious reparations for the staggering level of destruction Russia suffered from the German attack on it. The most developed third of the country was laid waste, its industry and its cities wrecked, while Americans suffered not a fly on the wrist at home-basking, on the contrary, in a massive economic boom. There was no issue Stalin spoke more insistently about than reparations in negotiations among the Allies. But once the fighting was over, the U.S. reneged on wartime promises and vetoed reparations from the larger part of Germany-far the richest and most developed, and occupied by the West - because it did not want to strengthen the Soviet Union and did want to rebuild the Ruhr as an industrial base under Western control, with a view to creating what would subsequently become the Federal Republic.

Oddlots, September 26, 2015 at 11:05 am
Agreed. I also think he helpfully callobrates the loss of European independence…

[Speaking of the era of De Gaulle, Adenauer and Eden] "Since then, there has been nobody like this. If we ask why, I think the answer is that all these people were formed before the First and Second World Wars broke out, in a period in which major European states had as much weight as the United States on the international checkerboard, if not more. They were not brought up in a world where American hegemony was taken for granted. All of them were involved in the two World Wars, and in the Second De Gaulle had good reason to be distrustful of the U.S., since Roosevelt was long pro-Vichy and wanted to oust him as leader of the Free French.

We could add, incidentally, a couple of later politicians, who fought in the second conflict. One was the English Tory prime minister, Edward Heath, the only postwar ruler of Britain who never made the trip to simper on the White House lawn, receiving an audience and paying tribute, that would become a virtual ceremony of investiture for any new ruler around the world. The other was Helmut Schmidt, a veteran of Operation Barbarossa [the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union in June 1941] who scarcely concealed his disdain for Carter. These were latecomers from the past. Their successors have grown up under U.S. paramountcy and take it for granted. This is America's world. It is second nature for them to defer to it."

He also exposes that the crop that followed made a show of independence but toed the line:

"During the countdown to the war in Iraq, there were large street demonstrations in not a few countries, which Dominique Strauss-Kahn - no less - described as a European Declaration of Independence. Schröder [Gerhard, the German chancellor from 1998-2005] announced that Germany could not accept the war, and Chirac [Jacques, the French president, 1995-2007] blocked a U.N. resolution endorsing it. Were these bold acts of independence? Far from it. The French envoy in Washington told Bush in advance: You already have one U.N. resolution saying Saddam must comply with inspections, which is suitably vague. Don't embarrass us by trying to get another resolution that is more specific, which we'll have to oppose. Just use that one and go in. No sooner, indeed, was the attack launched than Chirac opened French skies to U.S. operations against Iraq. Can you imagine De Gaulle meekly helping a war he had said he opposed? As for Schröder, it was soon revealed that German intelligence agents in Baghdad had signaled ground targets for "Shock and Awe." These were politicians who knew the war was very unpopular in domestic opinion, and so made a show of opposing it while actually collaborating. Their independence was a comedy."

This last part was news to me.

[Sep 27, 2015] Ukraine was downgraded to default

"... the inept idiots in Kiev borrowed from whomever they wanted, including a group that helped push Argentina into near bankruptcy. ..."
"... "If Aurelius also refuses to take part, the bonds it holds will remain in default, potentially allowing the hedge fund to chase Ukraine in courts in London and elsewhere. "That bond will remain out there like some of the Argentine debt. Ukraine will remain in default," Nomura strategist Tim Ash said, although he noted that Ukraine had fewer assets than Argentina for hedge funds to seize." ..."
"... the judges in the US ruled in favor of the hedge fund over Argentina, so there's clear precedent ..."
Sep 27, 2015 | marknesop.wordpress.com
ucgsblog, September 26, 2015 at 12:55 pm
Time for Financial News. As a result of the Gas/Oil Wars, Russia pulled ahead, because Putin used the money intended for recapitalization of the gas/oil industry, to recapitalize the gas/oil industry. Some in the West are shocked at that, firmly believing that he was supposed to steal the money. Ah yes, the power of believing in your own propaganda.

In other news, Ukraine was downgraded to default: https://www.rt.com/business/316521-standardpoors-ukraine-selective-default/

Why you ask? Because the inept idiots in Kiev borrowed from whomever they wanted, including a group that helped push Argentina into near bankruptcy. And now they're about to do the same to Ukraine: http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/199119/%E2%80%98vulture%E2%80%99-fund-aurelius-targets-ukraine-debt

"If Aurelius also refuses to take part, the bonds it holds will remain in default, potentially allowing the hedge fund to chase Ukraine in courts in London and elsewhere. "That bond will remain out there like some of the Argentine debt. Ukraine will remain in default," Nomura strategist Tim Ash said, although he noted that Ukraine had fewer assets than Argentina for hedge funds to seize."

Oh yeah, the judges in the US ruled in favor of the hedge fund over Argentina, so there's clear precedent. Whoopsie. The reason this looks really bad, is that there are no good solutions out of this. If Ukraine defaults, it'll be stuck permanently on the teat of the US/EU, as I predicted in June: https://ucgsblog.wordpress.com/2014/06/09/the-box-not-seen/

If the judges flip flop, Argentina will have a clear cut case against the hedge funds, pushing Obama into a battle with the hedge funds, when they have the Republicans on their side. If Obama pays this hedge fund, Franklin-Templeton will demand the same exact treatment, adding to Obama's sentiment as the Debt King of the United States. Not to mention that Congress wouldn't authorize that big a sum. There are no good options of out this, for either Poroshenko or Obama. To quote Gordon: "da, cheburashke ne vezet"

[Sep 27, 2015] Argentina vs vulture funds

"... The Argentine government managed to restructure about 93% of that debt through heavily discounted bond exchanges in 2005 and 2010. But a small group of investors refused to tender their defaulted bonds for new securities, and they have hounded Argentina in courts across the globe for close to a decade seeking full repayment. ..."
Sep 27, 2015 | marknesop.wordpress.com

et Al, September 26, 2015 at 1:44 pm

http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/06/30/argentina-vs-bondholders-the-epic-saga/

The Argentine government managed to restructure about 93% of that debt through heavily discounted bond exchanges in 2005 and 2010. But a small group of investors refused to tender their defaulted bonds for new securities, and they have hounded Argentina in courts across the globe for close to a decade seeking full repayment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_debt_restructuring

As part of the restructuring process, Argentina drafted agreements in which repayments would be handled through a New York corporation and governed by United States law. The holdout bondholders found themselves unable to seize Argentine sovereign assets in settlement, but realized that Argentina had omitted to provide for holdout situations and had instead deemed all bonds repayable on pari passu (equal) terms that prevented preferential treatment among bondholders. The holdout bondholders therefore sought, and won, an injunction in 2014 that prohibited Argentina from repaying the 93% of bonds that had been renegotiated, unless they simultaneously paid the 7% holdouts their full amount due as well. Together with the agreement's Rights Upon Future Offers ("RUFO") clause, this created a deadlock in which the 93% of renegotiated bondholders could not be paid without paying the 7% holdouts, but any payment to the holdouts would potentially (according to Argentina) trigger the 93% being due repayment at full value too; a sum of around $100 billion which Argentina could not afford.[6] The courts ruled that as Argentina had itself drafted the agreement, and chosen the terms it wished to propose, it could not now claim the terms were unreasonable or unfair, and that this could not be worked around by asserting sovereign status since the injunction did not affect sovereign assets, but simply ruled that Argentina must not give preferential treatment of any group of bondholders over any other group when making repayments.

…NML Capital Limited, a Cayman Islands-based offshore unit of Paul Singer's Elliott Management Corporation, purchased many holdings in 2008, paying an estimated USD49 million for one series of bonds whose face value was over USD220 million;[22] with the subsequent boom in Argentine bond values, this face value grew to USD832 million by 2014.[26] They in turn established the American Task Force Argentina lobbying group against Argentine bond restructuring efforts,[19] and sued to enjoin Argentina's ongoing payments to the bondholders who had participated in the earlier restructurings.[2]
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Nothing can stop red blooded capitalists! I suspect that death is but a minor inconvenience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhw9qvoxKMM

https://youtu.be/IXKEKQ8vU28

ucgsblog, September 26, 2015 at 1:55 pm

And this is what awaits Ukraine. Welcome to Capitalism Kiev, please read the small font. Oh, you don't read? Wonderful! We shall have a good time doing business together! How much for Dnepropetrovsk?

Warren, September 26, 2015 at 2:24 pm

These hold-out creditors aren't called fondo buitre for nothing!!!!!

[Sep 26, 2015] The Table Is Set For The Next Financial Crisis

"... The $3.5 trillion of QE, six years of 0% interest rates for Wall Street (why are credit card interest rates still 13%?), and $8 trillion of deficit spending by the Federal government have provided the outward appearance of economic recovery, as the standard of living for most Americans has declined significantly. ..."
Sep 26, 2015 | Zero Hedge
The housing market peaked in 2005 and proceeded to crash over the next five years, with existing home sales falling 50%, new home sales falling 75%, and national home prices falling 30%. A funny thing happened after the peak. Wall Street banks accelerated the issuance of subprime mortgages to hyper-speed. The executives of these banks knew housing had peaked, but insatiable greed consumed them as they purposely doled out billions in no-doc liar loans as a necessary ingredient in their CDOs of mass destruction.

The millions in upfront fees, along with their lack of conscience in bribing Moody's and S&P to get AAA ratings on toxic waste, while selling the derivatives to clients and shorting them at the same time, in order to enrich executives with multi-million dollar compensation packages, overrode any thoughts of risk management, consequences, or the impact on homeowners, investors, or taxpayers. The housing boom began as a natural reaction to the Federal Reserve suppressing interest rates to, at the time, ridiculously low levels from 2001 through 2004 (child's play compared to the last six years).

... ... ...

Greenspan created the atmosphere for the greatest mal-investment in world history. As he raised rates from 2004 through 2006, the titans of finance on Wall Street should have scaled back their risk taking and prepared for the inevitable bursting of the bubble. Instead, they were blinded by unadulterated greed, as the legitimate home buyer pool dried up, and they purposely peddled "exotic" mortgages to dupes who weren't capable of making the first payment. This is what happens at the end of Fed induced bubbles. Irrationality, insanity, recklessness, delusion, and willful disregard for reason, common sense, historical data and truth lead to tremendous pain, suffering, and financial losses.

Once the Wall Street machine runs out of people with the financial means to purchase a home or buy a new vehicle, they turn their sights on peddling their debt products to financially illiterate dupes. There is a good reason people with credit scores below 620 are classified as sub-prime. Scores this low result from missing multiple payments on credit cards and loans, having multiple collection items or judgments and potentially having a very recent bankruptcy or foreclosure. They have low paying jobs or no job at all. They do not have the financial means to repay a large loan. Giving them a loan to purchase a $250,000 home or a $30,000 automobile will not improve their lives. They are being set up for a fall by the crooked bankers making these loans. Heads they win, tails the dupe gets kicked out of that nice house onto the street and has those nice wheels repossessed in the middle of the night.

The subprime debacle that blew up the world in 2008 was created by the Federal Reserve, working on behalf of their Wall Street owners. When interest rates are set by central planners well below levels which would be set by the free market, based on risk and return, it creates bubbles, mal-investment, and ultimately financial system disaster. Did the Fed, Wall Street, politicians, and people learn their lesson? No. Because we bailed them out with our tax dollars and have silently stood by while they have issued $10 trillion of additional debt to solve a debt problem. The deformation of our financial system accelerates by the day.

The $3.5 trillion of QE, six years of 0% interest rates for Wall Street (why are credit card interest rates still 13%?), and $8 trillion of deficit spending by the Federal government have provided the outward appearance of economic recovery, as the standard of living for most Americans has declined significantly. With real median household income still 6.5% BELOW 2007 levels, 7.3% BELOW 2000 levels, and about equal to 1989 levels, the only way the ruling class could manufacture a fake recovery is by ramping up the printing presses and reigniting a housing bubble and an auto bubble. They even threw in a student loan bubble for good measure.

... ... ...

The entire engineered "housing recovery" has had a suspicious smell to it all along. The true bottom occurred in 2009 with an annual rate of 4 million existing home sales. An artificial bottom of 3.5 million occurred in 2010 after the expiration of the Keynesian first time home buyer credit that lured more dupes into the market. The current rate of 5.31 million is at 2007 crash levels and on par with 2001 recession levels. With mortgage rates at record low levels for five years, this is all we got?

What really smells is the number of actual mortgage originations that have supposedly driven this 35% increase in existing home sales. If existing home sales are at 2007 levels, how could mortgage purchase applications be 55% below 2007 levels? If existing home sales are up 35% from the 2009/2010 lows, how could mortgage purchase applications be flat since 2010?

New home sales are up 80% from the 2010 lows, but before you get as excited as a CNBC bimbo over the "surging" new home sales, understand that new home sales are still 60% BELOW the 2005 high and 25% below the 1990 through 2000 average. So, in total, there are 1.5 million more annual home sales today than at the bottom in 2010. But mortgage originations haven't budged. That's quite a conundrum.

As you can also see, the median price for a new home far exceeds the bubble highs of 2005. A critical thinking individual might wonder how new home sales could be down 60% from 2005, while home prices are 15% higher than they were in 2005. Don't the laws of supply and demand work anymore? The identical trend can be seen in the existing homes sales market. The median price for existing home sales of $228,700 is an all-time high, exceeding the 2005 bubble levels. Again, sales are down 30% since 2005. I wonder who is responsible for this warped chain of events?

AlaricBalth

This FRED chart I have posted, which corresponds with the effective Fed Funds Rate chart in the article, will show exactly what a daunting problem the the US and the Federal Reserve is being forced to deal with. I have overlaid the Labor Force Participation Rate with M2 Velocity of Money, each beginning in 1960. M2 velocity refers to how fast money passes from one holder to the next. The labor force participation rate is a measure of the share of Americans at least 16 years old who are either employed or actively looking for work. If money demand is high, it could be a sign of a robust economy, with the usual corresponding inflationary pressure.

As you can see, each peaked around 1997-98 and have been in slow decline ever since. Unless the Fed has a plan to increase the LFPR, people are not going to be spending money they just do not have.

Demographically, this is not going to happen. Baby boomers will still be retiring at a rate of 10,000 per day and manufacturing is never coming back to the US until we are a third world country with a cheap labor force.

This is not an issue that can be fixed by political promises. So no matter which political party is in control, this will not be repaired with platitudes. This is a structural macro-economic phenomenon which is caused by demographics and poor long term fiscal planning.

https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/fredgraph.png?g=1Vst

TeethVillage88s

Anyone have this video?

Elizabeth Warren Video, Late Night with Steven Colbert, 23 Sept 2015.

Defends Dodd-Frank and gave stats to prove the value of CFPB formed, like 650,000 complaints handled, and many changes forced on corporations.

Edit: Looks like CBS didn't release the segment of Elizabeth Warren only, so you have to go through whole show or just the 2:00 minute segment that only shows her saying she is not running for President.

Shame on CBS, as usual.

http://www.cbs.com/shows/the-late-show-with-stephen-colbert/video/jUNG_y...

Apparently I don't have the computer configured to play it anyway.

FreedomGuy

I do not think Wall Street and your local bankers or mortgage brokers are the bad guys here. Frankly, they look at the rules and try to make a living in the mortgage business. They are not angels but neither are they demons and I do not think they purposely write bad business.

I think the Wizard of Evil behind the curtain is first and last the government including a GSE like the Fed. They set this stuff up. You know you can load up Freddie and Fannie with smelly stuff and off-load risk. They hold rates near historic lows so people can buy more.

This drives prices and all the flipping crap and related stuff I hate.

I am in the middle of this. Being an avid reader of ZH I have become a proper pessimist. I did a cash-out refi and am paying off virtually all other loans...or more properly moving them to the tax deductible home loan. I was going to rent and move north because of work but after lots of research, breathtaking price increases and a few other cautions I decided to sit it out.

I am going to see what the economic terrain looks like in 6 months or more.

The thing is you have to play the game as it is, today, not as you think it should be.

marts321

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

TeethVillage88s

Check out the growth of Holding companies.

Financial Business; Credit Market Instruments; Liability, Level
2015:Q1: 14,104.57 Billions of Dollars (+ see more)
Quarterly, End of Period, Not Seasonally Adjusted, TCMDODFS,

Holding Companies; Credit Market Instruments; Liability, Level
2015:Q1: 1,380.52 Billions of Dollars (+ see more)
Quarterly, End of Period, Not Seasonally Adjusted, CBBHCTCMDODFS,
https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/CBBHCTCMDODFS

U.S.-Chartered Depository Institutions; Credit Market Instruments; Liability, Level
2015:Q1: 669.90 Billions of Dollars (+ see more)
Quarterly, End of Period, Not Seasonally Adjusted, CBTCMDODFS,

Now, we know that in 2007 the Biggest Wall Street banks wanted access to Deposits in the USA. So maybe I don't have the date, could have been planned from Lehman Request date to become a Deposit Bank while an Investment Bank.

So today we have Holding Companies that are allowed to have Deposits while doing commercial and investment work and proprietary trading... and now are 30% Bigger after all the Bailouts and transfer of Taxpayer and Retirement Funds to them.

Holding Companies have Doubled Liability since 3QTR 2007

Wow

TeethVillage88s

Too Bad we don't have Honest Brokers in DOJ, FBI, SEC, FINRA, FTC, GAO, CBO, FED, Treasury, OCC, FSOC, BCFP, CFTC, FDIC, FHFA, SIPC

I'm not sure how you can isolate or focus your condemnation or fault.

  • - Private & Public Pensions, Retirement Funds, Deposit Insurance, The Fact that our Wall Street Banks are Borg connecting to AI Technology,... and Complexity is increasing at an Exponential Rate meaning Risk is Exponential as well
  • - Big Concern -- pay outs for Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (federal Trust Fund), 1999 = $1.23 Billion, 2000 = $1.35 Billion, 2001 =$1.37 Billion. Okay, but today 2010 = $5.59 B, 2011 = $5.89 B, 2012 = $5.86 B, 2013 = $5.89 B. There is a continual need to supplement Pensions. 2010 PBGC's deficit increased 4.5 percent to $23 billion (Liabilities beyond assets)
  • - Federal direct student loan program 1999 = $52 Billion, INCREASED to 2013 = $675 Billion. (Risky)
  • - 2013 Total FDIC Trust Fund in Treasuries = $36.9 Billion + $18 billion in the DIF (Risky)
  • - 2013 Total National Credit Union Trust in Treasuries = $11.2 Billion

Edit: This applies, $8.16 Trillion in US Deposits

Total Savings Deposits at all Depository Institutions
2015-09-07: 8,164.3 Billions of Dollars (+ see more)
Weekly, Ending Monday, Not Seasonally Adjusted, WSAVNS,
https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/WSAVNS

dizzyfingers

"Sociopaths" (psychopaths) rise to the top. They are not like others. http://www.healthguidance.org/entry/15850/1/Characteristics-of-a-Sociopath.html

EndOfDayExit

To all hysterical critics of the FED, what do you suggest they do instead? The rich can do nothing, sit it out, the poor meanwhile will starve and die (and probably riot before they die).

The poor need jobs. Now almost at any cost, because those jobs are few and far in between as we are competing with China. So they do ZIRP, NIRP whatever, something, anything to at least marginally force the rich to spend. For, if people do not spend there will be even less jobs…and less tax revenue collected for the government to run and distribute around… and it all starts going downhill.

The FED is just trying to keep the system at the higher spending point. It does not seem to work very well, but the next option is a direct confiscation and redistribution of assets (to keep those poor jobless souls content). Nobody gives a f* about inequality until it becomes a riot-provoking problem itself. Ugly as it is there is actually logic in what the FED is doing.

Batman11

The globalists rush to take the profits in the good times but run and hide in the bad.

Where is the profit in sorting out the bad times? In the bad times national institutions, Governments and Central Banks, get left to sort out the mess loading the costs onto national tax payers.

When things go wrong nationalism rises as each nation is left to fend for itself. We should know how it works by now, this isn't the first time.

  • 1920s/2000s - high inequality, high banker pay, low regulation, low taxes for the wealthy, robber barons (CEOs), reckless bankers, globalisation phase
  • 1929/2008 - Wall Street crash
  • 1930s/2010s - Global recession, currency wars, rising nationalism and extremism
  • 1940s/? - Global war

We are nearly there with the Middle East on fire and the two nuclear super-powers at each other's throats.

Maybe next time we will know better, third time lucky.

mianne

Cherry picker, I agree with you : " All our government up here has to do is get out of NATO, disband our version of the CIA, divorce Homeland Security, duty and tax all imports to the hilt, keep our water, electricity and natural resources to ourselves and manufacture our own products... Then you can have all the wars you want in the middle east and we will watch it on television without worrying about whether to be part of the murder brigade or not."

But as for ourselves, as governed by the totalitarian EU whose representatives are non elected by people, but were chosen by the international finance tycoons ( our elected presidents deprived of any power by the supranational non elected entity, US- OTAN driven European Union), we are just powerless slaves .

However we won the referendum ( 52 % ) against the content of the Maastricht-Lisbon European Constitution, but they do not take it into account, submitting us to the ignominious treaty . Democracy ?

[Sep 26, 2015] Paul Krugman Dewey, Cheatem Howe

"... That is brilliant - so Turing Pharmaceuticals is a classical - wait for it - parasitic infection! ..."
"... The point is we should be trying to make our regulation more intelligent (making it encourage not discourage innovation - cheaper and easier to police - less subject to regulatory capture etc.). ..."
Sep 26, 2015 | economistsview.typepad.com

Economist's View

Republicans can't help but side with business, but there are very good reasons for the recent increase in regulatory oversight:
Dewey, Cheatem & Howe, by Paul Krugman, Commentary, NY Times: Item: The C.E.O. of Volkswagen has resigned after revelations that his company committed fraud on an epic scale, installing software on its diesel cars that detected when their emissions were being tested, and produced deceptively low results.
  • Item: The former president of a peanut company has been sentenced to 28 years in prison for knowingly shipping tainted products that later killed nine people and sickened 700.
  • Item: Rights to a drug used to treat parasitic infections were acquired by Turing Pharmaceuticals, which specializes not in developing new drugs but in buying existing drugs and jacking up their prices. In this case, the price went from $13.50 a tablet to $750. ...

There are, it turns out, people in the corporate world who will do whatever it takes, including fraud that kills people, in order to make a buck. And we need effective regulation to police that kind of bad behavior... But we knew that, right?

Well, we used to know it... But ... an important part of America's political class has declared war on even the most obviously necessary regulations. ...

A case in point: This week Jeb Bush, who has an uncanny talent for bad timing, chose to publish an op-ed article in The Wall Street Journal denouncing the Obama administration for issuing "a flood of creativity-crushing and job-killing rules." Never mind his misuse of cherry-picked statistics, or the fact that private-sector employment has grown much faster under President Obama's "job killing" policies than it did under Mr. Bush's brother's administration. ...

The thing is, Mr. Bush isn't wrong to suggest that there has been a move back toward more regulation under Mr. Obama, a move that will probably continue if a Democrat wins next year. After all, Hillary Clinton released a plan to limit drug prices at the same time Mr. Bush was unleashing his anti-regulation diatribe.

But the regulatory rebound is taking place for a reason. Maybe we had too much regulation in the 1970s, but we've now spent 35 years trusting business to do the right thing with minimal oversight - and it hasn't worked.

So what has been happening lately is an attempt to redress that imbalance, to replace knee-jerk opposition to regulation with the judicious use of regulation where there is good reason to believe that businesses might act in destructive ways. Will we see this effort continue? Next year's election will tell.

reason

"Item: Rights to a drug used to treat parasitic infections were acquired by Turing Pharmaceuticals, which specializes not in developing new drugs but in buying existing drugs and jacking up their prices. In this case, the price went from $13.50 a tablet to $750. ..."

That is brilliant - so Turing Pharmaceuticals is a classical - wait for it - parasitic infection!

reason

"So what has been happening lately is an attempt to redress that imbalance, to replace knee-jerk opposition to regulation with the judicious use of regulation where there is good reason to believe that businesses might act in destructive ways. Will we see this effort continue? Next year's election will tell."

Personally, I don't think this is really addressing the key point. You can't actually avoid regulation (the alternative to public regulation - as pushed by say Milton Friedman - ends up being private regulation - which is just as subject to regulatory capture). The point is we should be trying to make our regulation more intelligent (making it encourage not discourage innovation - cheaper and easier to police - less subject to regulatory capture etc.). The policy discussions about this a difficult enough with good faith - but bad faith politics makes this impossible. We need to throw the Gingrich revolution in the dustbin as soon as possible.

[Sep 25, 2015] Paul Krugman Dewey, Cheatem Howe

The point is we should be trying to make our regulation more intelligent (making it encourage not discourage innovation - cheaper and easier to police - less subject to regulatory capture etc.
"... So what has been happening lately is an attempt to redress that imbalance, to replace knee-jerk opposition to regulation with the judicious use of regulation where there is good reason to believe that businesses might act in destructive ways. Will we see this effort continue? Next year's election will tell. ..."
"... That is brilliant - so Turing Pharmaceuticals is a classical - wait for it - parasitic infection! ..."
"... The point is we should be trying to make our regulation more intelligent (making it encourage not discourage innovation - cheaper and easier to police - less subject to regulatory capture etc.). ..."
"... The reality is that, in the absence of effective regulation with substantial penalties, all of the incentives are to lie, cheat, and steal. In consequence, it really is the norm, if only in more minor ways than the ones that make the headlines. Wage theft, fraud, knowingly selling defective merchandise, and many other abuses are clearly rampant. This is exactly why markets cannot exist in the absence of effective government regulation to provide trust. ..."
"... Economic idealists have popularized the notion that the world can work without much regulations because their models tell them so. Unless they are behavioral economists, they often fail to include fraud, scams & information asymmetry into their models. This produces garbage like efficient markets that only exist in an idealistic dream world. The real world markets are filled with fraud, scams and disreputable agents. Failure to account for bad behavior is the bane of many a model. ..."
"... But I love Obama because he has created a wonderland of money for lawyers and consultants, a river of chocolate and honey to make Willy Wonka jealous. Go Barry go! ..."
"...


..."

Sep 25, 2015 | Economist's View
Republicans can't help but side with business, but there are very good reasons for the recent increase in regulatory oversight:
Dewey, Cheatem & Howe, by Paul Krugman, Commentary, NY Times: Item: The C.E.O. of Volkswagen has resigned after revelations that his company committed fraud on an epic scale, installing software on its diesel cars that detected when their emissions were being tested, and produced deceptively low results.

Item: The former president of a peanut company has been sentenced to 28 years in prison for knowingly shipping tainted products that later killed nine people and sickened 700.

Item: Rights to a drug used to treat parasitic infections were acquired by Turing Pharmaceuticals, which specializes not in developing new drugs but in buying existing drugs and jacking up their prices. In this case, the price went from $13.50 a tablet to $750. ...

There are, it turns out, people in the corporate world who will do whatever it takes, including fraud that kills people, in order to make a buck. And we need effective regulation to police that kind of bad behavior... But we knew that, right?

Well, we used to know it... But ... an important part of America's political class has declared war on even the most obviously necessary regulations. ...

A case in point: This week Jeb Bush, who has an uncanny talent for bad timing, chose to publish an op-ed article in The Wall Street Journal denouncing the Obama administration for issuing "a flood of creativity-crushing and job-killing rules." Never mind his misuse of cherry-picked statistics, or the fact that private-sector employment has grown much faster under President Obama's "job killing" policies than it did under Mr. Bush's brother's administration. ...

The thing is, Mr. Bush isn't wrong to suggest that there has been a move back toward more regulation under Mr. Obama, a move that will probably continue if a Democrat wins next year. After all, Hillary Clinton released a plan to limit drug prices at the same time Mr. Bush was unleashing his anti-regulation diatribe.

But the regulatory rebound is taking place for a reason. Maybe we had too much regulation in the 1970s, but we've now spent 35 years trusting business to do the right thing with minimal oversight - and it hasn't worked.

So what has been happening lately is an attempt to redress that imbalance, to replace knee-jerk opposition to regulation with the judicious use of regulation where there is good reason to believe that businesses might act in destructive ways. Will we see this effort continue? Next year's election will tell.

reason

"Item: Rights to a drug used to treat parasitic infections were acquired by Turing Pharmaceuticals, which specializes not in developing new drugs but in buying existing drugs and jacking up their prices. In this case, the price went from $13.50 a tablet to $750. ..."

That is brilliant - so Turing Pharmaceuticals is a classical - wait for it - parasitic infection!

reason

"So what has been happening lately is an attempt to redress that imbalance, to replace knee-jerk opposition to regulation with the judicious use of regulation where there is good reason to believe that businesses might act in destructive ways. Will we see this effort continue? Next year's election will tell."

Personally, I don't think this is really addressing the key point. You can't actually avoid regulation (the alternative to public regulation - as pushed by say Milton Friedman - ends up being private regulation - which is just as subject to regulatory capture). The point is we should be trying to make our regulation more intelligent (making it encourage not discourage innovation - cheaper and easier to police - less subject to regulatory capture etc.). The policy discussions about this a difficult enough with good faith - but bad faith politics makes this impossible. We need to throw the Gingrich revolution in the dustbin as soon as possible.

RC AKA Darryl, Ron said in reply to reason...

YEP!

What politicians can get away with is an artifact of the limited toolset that the electorate has to express its informed will. We need a well educated democracy and the democratic part of that requires Constitutional electoral reforms (e.g., gerrymandering, campaign finance). A bit of the educational aspect of a voting actually democratic republic would naturally work itself out with a more engaged and empowered electorate participating ACTIVELY.

With the system as it is then it takes a shock wave through the electorate for them to throw the bums out, but there is no follow through. There is a failsafe reaction function, but no more than that except on specific social issues that get overwhelming support where politicians can move with the electoral majority at zero cost while reactionary politicians can triangulate and pander some votes from the minority opinion of those too old or set in their ways to participate in the social sea change.

ilsm said in reply to RC AKA Darryl, Ron...

The threat is "faith voters", dogma developed by billionaires' propaganda to plunder the world.

DrDick said in reply to reason...

Krugman is far too kind to the businessmen. The reality is that, in the absence of effective regulation with substantial penalties, all of the incentives are to lie, cheat, and steal. In consequence, it really is the norm, if only in more minor ways than the ones that make the headlines. Wage theft, fraud, knowingly selling defective merchandise, and many other abuses are clearly rampant. This is exactly why markets cannot exist in the absence of effective government regulation to provide trust.

DeDude said in reply to reason...

Exactly; what we need is a detailed debate on each specific regulation. What it intends to accomplish, whether that could be accomplished in a less burdensome way, and whether the accomplishment is sufficient to justify the burden. However, that is not something that can happen in the 15 second soundbite that appears to be the attention span of the average voter.

Lee A. Arnold said in reply to Second Best...

Second Best: "Markets work if allowed to self regulate."

No. Never happened, except in local instances. For self-regulation you need proper prices, and for proper prices you need proper supply and demand.

For proper supply you need perfect competition, so there must be numerous competitors entering the same market, and this requires, among other things, almost no intellectual protection.

For proper demand, you need perfectly informed consumers, and this is not only impossible, but it is getting far far worse, because the complexity of the world is increasing.

The problem with state regulation is that it also falls prey to the same objections, although at a slower rate. We use votes not prices, but the same imperfection of information and lack of flexibility causes problems with the voting system.

When you combine this problem with the increase in inequality (which was masked temporarily by World War II and the subsequent spurt of blue-collar jobs productivity), we are headed into an accelerated amelioration of the market system by greater public ownership.


RC AKA Darryl, Ron said in reply to Lee A. Arnold...

"Peanut butter does not kill people, people kill people."

[If you can read a opening sentence like that and not recognize it as satirical parody, then you might want to look around to find the sense of humor that you lost. When the will of the people is no more than a euphemism for dollar democracy then parody, satire, sarcasm, and a healthy dose of cynicism are called for.]

JF said in reply to RC AKA Darryl, Ron..

Lee A Arnold - Think Jonathan Swift and his piece about the way to reduce subsidies for the orphaned poor infants, it is to reduce their number so we feel good about the fact that we help the few poor infants left alive.

I reacted a few times to Second Best's comments before I recognized the satire.

But I also have used his comments as a way to bring out the more logical, real-world of facts and rationality - so commentary helps either way. I suppose that serves 2nd Best's interests too.

JF said in reply to JF...

I believe the Jonathan Swift recommendations are the preferred republican-party approach to Social Security too. Really need fewer claimants, that will solve the accounting problems.

RC AKA Darryl, Ron said in reply to Second Best...

"Peanut butter does not kill people, people kill people. Car emissions do not kill people ... high drug prices do not kill people ... people do."

[This is an economics blog. You cannot be that "subtle (???)" and expect people to recognize your satire. Maybe there is a humorous math equation that economists can understand. I guess economics graduate school is so boring that most people lose all sense of humor. I am glad that Krugman has kept his.]

Richard H. Serlin said...

"Then there's for-profit education, an industry wracked by fraud - because it's very hard for students to assess what they're getting - that leaves all too many young Americans with heavy debt burdens and no real prospect of better jobs. But Mr. Bush denounces attempts at a cleanup."

And worse, wasting their incredibly valuable and rare young years, quite possibly their only chance before age and children make it extremely hard, not getting an education. Such a big thing. You don't do it when you're young, with the power and freedom and lack of dependents of youth, the opportunity may easily be gone forever. Such a brutal cost these predators and their Republican allies extract.

RC AKA Darryl, Ron said in reply to Richard H. Serlin...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_tuition_in_the_United_States

Cost shifting and privatization

One cause of increased tuition is the reduction of state and federal appropriations to state colleges, causing the institutions to shift the cost over to students in the form of higher tuition. State support for public colleges and universities has fallen by about 26 percent per full-time student since the early 1990s.[10] In 2011, for the first time, American public universities took in more revenue from tuition than state funding.[9][11] Critics say the shift from state support to tuition represents an effective privatization of public higher education.[11][12] About 80 percent of American college students attend public institutions...

bakho said...

Economics Professors of the "free market" bent for years have indoctrinated youth with the misguided notion that "regulations are bad" and market methods, no matter how RubeGoldberg, are always better. " You don't need to regulate pollution, just put a tax on it," as an example. Even cap and trade would not work without stiff emissions regulations.

Economic idealists have popularized the notion that the world can work without much regulations because their models tell them so. Unless they are behavioral economists, they often fail to include fraud, scams & information asymmetry into their models. This produces garbage like efficient markets that only exist in an idealistic dream world. The real world markets are filled with fraud, scams and disreputable agents. Failure to account for bad behavior is the bane of many a model.

ilsm said in reply to bakho...

Sanctity of the "market"......

I got a jar of this snake oil here too!

The market they sell is the one that runs in Honduras

Tom aka Rusty said...

A couple of random observations:

Last time I looked about 150 Dodd-Frank regs had not been written yet, some of the key ACA regs are three years late.

Obama-ites have written some of the most complex, convoluted regs of the past 40 years, the health EMR regs have practically guaranteed a windfall for IT companies and a failure for EMR/EHR.

No mention of the Obama-Holder "too big to prosecute doctrine."

The new overtime regs will likely be in the "driving thumb tacks with a sledge hammer" mode.

But I love Obama because he has created a wonderland of money for lawyers and consultants, a river of chocolate and honey to make Willy Wonka jealous. Go Barry go!

pgl said in reply to kthomas...

Rusty wants us to believe he is the only one who understands health care so he is a persistent critic of ObamaCare. But now he wants to pretend he's the expert on financial markets too? Seriously? Dodd-Frank is complicated only because the Jamie Dimons of the world milk every opportunity to game financial markets. If Rusty thinks letting Jamie Dimon evade any financial market regulation is a good idea - he is the most clue person ever.

DrDick said in reply to pgl...

He was just trying to do us a favor and demonstrate exactly what is meant by "knee-jerk opposition to regulation ."

JF said in reply to Tom aka Rusty...

Have you ever looked at the multi-party derived hedging instruments in play now - they can hardly get more complex, and indeed most didn't understand them when they were made, and these are still complex now.

So I have to say, that the 'marketplace' makes Krugman's point about complexity. It comes from humans cunningly doing stuff that serves their interests at the time as they see it. Not always wisdom at work here.

But it is complex, and so regulation of such complexity, if the generally applicable rules seek some fairness (classes of people are usually affected differently) and stands a test of due process too - the regulations will also need to be complex. The complexity came first, the regulations come afterwards (after society learns of the stupidity the hard way).

Railing about this is a form of misleading sophistry, a rhetorical device to reverse the causality.

We can think with more foresight and regulate before the stupid complexity arises, but it does take a rational policy making environment for this exploration, discussion and policy-making to occur with good foresight - I am waiting for the new Congress in 2017.

If the Warren-Sanders people have any influence then, we may see a whole lot less complex financial system (it's a riot when you think how the Efficient Market Hypothesis, a theoretical justification for the marketplace's range of instruments in fact led to more complexity, less real efficiency and effectiveness, and ossification of the system when it needed to be resilient but stable as a well-behaved system can be).

We will probably be better off after the 2017 debates. After all, this community of actors are only intermediaries on behalf of real productive outcomes truly needed by society - right, they are just intermediaries? How much inter-mediation does the economy need?

david s said...

The Obama Administration has been friendlier to corporate America than W's was.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/454963/matt-taibbi-bush-far-tougher-than-obama-corporate-america

im1dc said...

While it was Ronald Reagan and his Republican Party that called for deregulation not much was done until Alan Greenspan, then Chairman of the Federal Reserve, gave federal deregulation his blessing in speeches from NY to Aspen to California in which he said "the market" will reign in excesses and regulate itself b/c of competition acting egregiously would create.

Oopsie, Old Alan got it ALL WRONG again!

I thought a little history would help in this thread.

likbez said...

My impression is that regulation always reflects the needs of who is in power today. One the key ingredients of political power is the ability to push the laws that benefit particular constituent. And to block laws that don't.

If we assume that financial oligarchy is in power today, then it is clear that there can be no effective regulation of financial services and by extension regulation of derivatives. And if on the wave of public indignation such regulation is adopted, it will be gradually watered down and then eliminated down the road.

And you can always hire people who will justify your point of view.

In this sense neither Milton Friedman nor Greenspan were independent players. They sold themselves for money and were promoted into positions they have for specific purpose. I am not sure the either of them believed the crap they speak or wrote.


[Sep 25, 2015] Big Business Is Economic Cancer, Part I Zero Hedge

It is under state capitalism that TBTF can't exists. Under neoliberalism they rule the country, so the question about cutting their political power of dismantling them is simply naive. Nobody give political power without a fight.
"... Today, with governments which are nothing but literally the junior partners (of Big Business) in government-by-crime-syndicate, these laws might as well no longer exist, as they are practically never enforced. Indeed, an entity must be a political/economic pariah, or simply lacking "connections" if it is unable to sneak some merger or take-over past our totally compliant governments, and their fast-asleep "regulators". ..."
"... There could never be an economic system, or economic argument where "too big to fail" could ever be a rational/legitimate policy. Put another way, no level of short-term economic harm or shock could possibly equal the long-term harm (and insanity) of institutionalized blackmail – which is all that "too big to fail" ever was/is. You must protect us, no matter what we do, no matter what the cost. Utter insanity. Utter criminality. ..."
"... An oligopoly is where a small group of companies dominate/control an entire market or sector. Here it is important to understand that oligopolies are every bit as "evil" as monopolies (in every way), but the oligopoly puts a happy-face on this evil. Oligopolies represent pretend competition. ..."
"... But such corporate extortion via oligopolies/monopolies is certainly not confined to the banking sector. The Oligarchs engage in such extortion (against corrupt governments which require absolutely no arm-twisting) in virtually every sector of our economies, but generally in not quite as extreme a form as what is perpetrated by the Big Banks. ..."
"... Read Schumpeter beginning to end. He recognized the evolution of increasingly larger-scale, boom-and-bust "capitalism" from free-enterprise, entrepreneurial capitalism to industrial capitalism and eventually to various forms of state-capitalism, corporate-statism, or quasi-fascism we have today, or what I refer to as militarist-imperialist, rentier-socialist, or Anglo-American corporate-state. ..."
Sep 25, 2015 | www.zerohedge.com

Today, with governments which are nothing but literally the junior partners (of Big Business) in government-by-crime-syndicate, these laws might as well no longer exist, as they are practically never enforced. Indeed, an entity must be a political/economic pariah, or simply lacking "connections" if it is unable to sneak some merger or take-over past our totally compliant governments, and their fast-asleep "regulators".

Today we have corporate monoliths which are literally orders of magnitude larger than any remotely "optimal" size, with the ultimate and most-obvious examples being those hideously bloated financial behemoths which we now know as "the Big Banks". How ridiculously too-big have the Big Banks gotten?

Even the most-ardent admirer of the Big Banks in the entire media world, Bloomberg, couldn't stop itself from openly salivating about how much "profit" could be had, just by beginning to chop-down the financial fraud-factory which we know as JPMorgan Chase & Co.:

JPMorgan Chase & Co, the biggest U.S. bank by assets, would be worth 30 percent more if broken into its four business segments, an unlikely scenario, an analyst at Stifel Financial Corp.'s KBW unit said.

Note that there is not one word in the article indicating that there couldn't be a lot more profit to be made, by then smashing those pieces into much smaller pieces still. This article simply pointed to the instant profit of 30% which would be available just by beginning to chop-down this obscenely large behemoth, and in the simplest manner possible.

Why would "smaller" be much more valuable, in our forward-looking markets, in the case of smashing JPMorgan down-to-size (or at least beginning that process)? Obviously a major portion of that profit quotient would have to be derived from greater efficiency. Smaller is better.

However, pointing out that even the greatest admirer/biggest cheerleader of the Big Banks has observed how we would all be better off if the Big Banks were smaller is only a start. We then come to the heinous propaganda which the cheerleaders (including Bloomberg) have dubbed "too big to fail".

This is a very simple subject. "Too big to fail" is a pseudo-concept which is entirely antithetical to any economic system which even pretends to adhere to the principles of "free markets". Free markets demand that insolvent entities fail, it is the only way for such free markets to heal, when weakened by the misallocation of assets (such as in the case of insolvent enterprises). No business, or group of businesses could ever be "too big to fail".

There could never be an economic system, or economic argument where "too big to fail" could ever be a rational/legitimate policy. Put another way, no level of short-term economic harm or shock could possibly equal the long-term harm (and insanity) of institutionalized blackmail – which is all that "too big to fail" ever was/is. You must protect us, no matter what we do, no matter what the cost. Utter insanity. Utter criminality.

Understand that our own, corrupt governments embarked upon this criminal insanity long after the equally criminalized government of Japan already proved that too-big-to-fail was a failed policy. Not only could there never be an argument in favor of this criminality, our governments knew it would fail before they ever rubber-stamped this systemic corruption.

But all of these arguments against the insanity of perverting and skewing our economies in favor of Big Business, and against Small Business pale into insignificance compared to the principal condemnation of too-Big Business: the economic "cannibals" known as monopolies and oligopolies.

For readers unfamiliar with these terms because the Corporate media and charlatan economists try to pretend that these words don't exist, a brief refresher is in order. As most readers know, a monopoly is where a single enterprise effectively controls an entire market or sector. While a "monopoly" may be desirable when playing a board-game, in the real world these parasitic entities do nothing but blood-suck, from any/every economy they are able to "corner".

However, the majority of people, even today, are at least partially familiar with the evils of monopolies, thus the ultra-wealthy Oligarchs rarely attempt to perpetrate their systemic theft via these corporate fronts. Instead, they perpetrate most of their organized crime via oligopolies.

An oligopoly is where a small group of companies dominate/control an entire market or sector. Here it is important to understand that oligopolies are every bit as "evil" as monopolies (in every way), but the oligopoly puts a happy-face on this evil. Oligopolies represent pretend competition.

These corporate fronts cooperate as closely as possible in systemically plundering economies. How do monopolies/oligopolies rob from us? The "old-fashioned" way for these blood-suckers to do so was via simple price-gouging. When you have complete control over a sector/market, you can charge any price you want.

However, not surprisingly, the Little People tend to notice when the Oligarchs use their corporate fronts to engage in simple price-gouging. They actually begin to notice the general evil which oligopolies/monopolies represent, and that is "bad for business" (i.e. crime).

Instead, the Oligarch Thieves of the 21st century engage in their robbery-by-corporation in a different, more sophisticated/less-visible manner: via corporate welfare. What other crime can monopolies and oligopolies perpetrate, with overwhelming success? Naked extortion.

As previously explained; "too-big-to-fail" (and now even "too big to jail") is nothing but the most-obvious and most-despicable form of corporate extortion (or simply economic terrorism): give us all the money we want, or we'll blow up the financial sector. Small banks could never perpetrate such a crime (terrorism).

But such corporate extortion via oligopolies/monopolies is certainly not confined to the banking sector. The Oligarchs engage in such extortion (against corrupt governments which require absolutely no arm-twisting) in virtually every sector of our economies, but generally in not quite as extreme a form as what is perpetrated by the Big Banks.

Typically, the extortion which precedes even more Corporate welfare, occurs in this form: give us everything we want, or we will close our factory/business, and you will (temporarily) lose those jobs. Here we don't need to imagine this in the hypothetical, as we have a particularly blatant example of such Corporate extortion/welfare, courtesy of U.S. Steel:

U.S. Steel Canada Inc. is threatening to cease operations in Canada by the end of the year if an Ontario Superior Court judge rejects its request to stop paying municipal taxes, halt payments into pension funds, and cut off health care and other benefits to 20,000 retirees and their dependents. [emphasis mine]

... ... ...

kanoli

Like most of Jeff Nielson's rants, this one is nonsensical. If small business hires more people to produce the same product or service as a big business, they cannot do so at the same or lower price unless they are paying a lower wage.

The problem with big business isn't that it is big - it is their tendency to lobby government for regulations that stifle small business competitors.

If politicians were not for sale, it wouldn't matter whether a business is big or small. Neither would have undue influence on the law.

The problem is regulatory democracy where all laws are constantly subject to fiddling by an elected legislature.

Element

In practice a balanced mix of all sized businesses are necessary in a planetary civilization that trades products globally. Getting the mix 'right' and not having big business get away with preventing competition, or of govt throttling to skim and micro-control is most of the deleterious effect on business, and on human beings in general.

Unfortunately humans have been trained to like Logos, and to buy 'wants' accordingly.

iDroned on a bit,

2c

newnormaleconomics

Read Schumpeter beginning to end. He recognized the evolution of increasingly larger-scale, boom-and-bust "capitalism" from free-enterprise, entrepreneurial capitalism to industrial capitalism and eventually to various forms of state-capitalism, corporate-statism, or quasi-fascism we have today, or what I refer to as militarist-imperialist, rentier-socialist, or Anglo-American corporate-state.

The current state of the evolution of "capitalism" is its advanced, late-stage, financialized, globalized phase.

With Peak Oil, population overshoot, unprecedented debt to wages and GDP, Limits to Growth, climate change, a record low for labor share, decelerating productivity, OBSCENE wealth and income inequality, and increasing geopolitical tensions, growth of real GDP per capita is done, which means that growth of profits, investment, and capital formation/accumulation is done, which in turn means "capitalism" is done.

... ... ...

[Sep 24, 2015] Central Banks Have Made the Rich Richer

Sep 24, 2015 | economistsview.typepad.com
Economist's View
Paul Marshall, chairman of London-based hedge fund Marshall Wace, in the FT:
Central banks have made the rich richer: Labour's new shadow chancellor has got at least one thing right. ... Quantitative easing ... has bailed out bonus-happy banks and made the rich richer. ...

It is no surprise that the left is angry about this, nor that they are looking for other versions of QE that do not so directly benefit bankers and the rich. Instead of increasing the money supply by buying sovereign bonds from banks, central banks could spread the love evenly by depositing extra money in every person's bank account..., it might have been fairer.

Mr McDonnell and Jeremy Corbyn, the new Labour leader, advocate a second approach: targeting QE at infrastructure projects. The central bank would buy bonds direct from the Treasury on the understanding that the funds would be used to improve housing and transport infrastructure. ...

QE had clear wealth effects, which could have been offset by fiscal measures. All political parties should acknowledge this. So should those of us who want free markets to retain their legitimacy.

[Sep 24, 2015] The Oligarch Recovery 30 Million Americans Have Tapped Retirement Savings Early In Last Year

Sep 24, 2015 | www.zerohedge.com

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Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

The ongoing oligarch theft labeled an "economic recovery" by pundits, politicians and mainstream media alike, is one of the largest frauds I've witnessed in my life. The reality of the situation is finally starting to hit home, and the proof is now undeniable.

Earlier this year, I published a powerful post titled, Use of Alternative Financial Services, Such as Payday Loans, Continues to Increase Despite the "Recovery," which highlighted how a growing number of Americans have been taking out unconventional loans, not simply to overcome an emergency, but for everyday expenses. Here's an excerpt:

Families' savings not where they should be: That's one part of the problem. But Mills sees something else in the recovery that's more disturbing. The number of households tapping alternative financial services are on the rise, meaning that Americans are turning to non-bank lenders for credit: payday loans, refund-anticipation loans, pawnshops, and rent-to-own services.

According to the Urban Institute report, the number of households that used alternative credit products increased 7 percent between 2011 and 2013. And the kind of household seeking alternative financing is changing, too.

It's not the case that every one of these middle- and upper-class households turned to pawnshops and payday lenders because they got whomped by an unexpected bill from a mechanic or a dentist. "People who are in these [non-bank] situations are not using these forms of credit to simply overcome an emergency, but are using them for basic living experiences," Mills says.

Of course, it's not just "alternative financial services." Increasingly desperate American citizens are also tapping whatever retirement savings they may have, including taking the 10% tax penalty for the privilege of doing so. In fact, 30 million Americans have done just that in the past year alone, in the midst of what is supposed to be a "recovery."

From Time:

With the effects of the financial crisis still lingering, 30 million Americans in the last 12 months tapped retirement savings to pay for an unexpected expense, new research shows. This undercuts financial security and underscores the need for every household to maintain an emergency fund.

Boomers were most likely to take a premature withdrawal as well as incur a tax penalty, according to a survey from Bankrate.com. Some 26% of those ages 50-64 say their financial situation has deteriorated, and 17% used their 401(k) plan and other retirement savings to pay for an emergency expense.

Two-thirds of Americans agree that the effects of the financial crisis are still being felt in the way they live, work, save and spend, according to a report from Allianz Life Insurance Co. One in five can be called a post-crash skeptic-a person that experienced at least six different kinds of financial setback during the recession, like a job loss or loss of home value, and feel their financial future is in peril.

So now we know what has kept meager spending afloat during this pitiful "recovery." A combination of "alternative loans" and a bleeding of retirement accounts. The transformation of the public into a horde of broke debt serfs is almost complete.

Don't forget to send your thank you card to you know who:

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[Sep 24, 2015] Michael Hudson – Episode 19

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This week, Eric has an in depth conversation with economist Michael Hudson, author of the new book Killing the Host: How Financial Parasites and Debt Bondage Destroy the Global Economy. Eric and Prof. Hudson discuss the evolution of finance capital from its humble parasitical beginnings to the comprehensive global network of economic tapeworms and barnacles that it is today. They examine neoliberal terrorism, how debt is used as a weapon, and the disastrous effects of the financialization of the real economy. Hudson outlines the relationship between the parasites and their bloodsucking policies of austerity, providing insight using the example of Latvia, where he witnessed first hand the smash-and-grab nature of such prescriptions. Plus, Eric and Michael touch on Obama as Wall Street errand boy, the importance of left economic organizing, and much much more.

Musical interlude from the exciting new band GospelbeacH, and intro and outtro from David Vest.

[Sep 24, 2015] Is Goldman Preparing To Sacrifice The Next Lehman

Sep 24, 2015 | Zero Hedge

Wow, talk about a nice fit! The following image describes a speed wobble when going too fast on a bicycle.

Bay Area Guy

Paulson should most definitely be in prison. I was no fan of Lehman, but what happened to them was nothing short of a criminal conspiracy.

Thorny Xi

He's suffered so much though.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/morganbrennan/2012/06/05/billionaire-john-pa...

RopeADope

Hank not John.

John is the colossal failure that could not come up with a good trade idea on his own if his life depended on it.

Debt-Is-Not-Money

I was fascinated that Bear Stearns was the first to go as Bear was the only large company that failed to respond to the Fed's calls when LTCM almost brough down the house in 1998.

Not if_ But When

Well, you know........he also lied to Congress. (but that's small potatoes).

froze25

Very true, let them fall and then bailout the rest. Well played Goldman.

KnuckleDragger-X

Lehman had to die to save GS since GS were actually in more trouble......

Bay of Pigs

What ever happened to Douche Bank anyway?

Edit: Damn, good ole Marty beat me to the punch.

Deutsche Bank – the New Lehman Brothers?

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/37443

jeff montanye

the greatest control fraud in history, the 2008 seizure of the u.s. government's financial/regulatory apparatus by wall street's banks and trading houses to recapitalize themselves and avoid prosecution for their enormous crimes, is tremendously evil. it will never be prosecuted or its errors corrected until the psychopaths at the head of our society are neutralized.

only 9-11 can do this. it is the crime that is clear-cut, unambiguously wrong, provable, without a statute of limitations (treason/murder/kidnapping), sufficiently inflammatory (very important) and really comprehensive in its list of perps, especially after the fact (the editors of the new york times don't actually have to go to jail; just most people have to think they should).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsoY3AIRUGA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GNww9cmZPo

http://www.luogocomune.net/site/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticl...

mind by mind. do your part.

Divine Wind

Bullish for PMs, right?

HardlyZero

After MF Global, it is not clear how the markets are safe for buyers, sellers, brokers, banks, etc.

But as always, have your physical setup and safe first before going out to see what's going on.

NoDebt

"If a counterparty liquidates, net exposure becomes gross [emphasis added by me], and suddenly everyone starts wondering where all those "physical" commodities are."

For those who may not quite grasp this, it means all your "hedging" against falling prices is null and void and you are left with full-in-the-face long exposure PLUS entities dealing in the physical commodity can suddenly be looking down a long tunnel of "failure to timely deliver" on contracts they've signed.

But, then again, 2016 is the last year for a lame duck president... traditionally a very good year to "clean house" and get the government to bail you out.

[Sep 20, 2015] Imperialism on the March: Africa, Syria, and Beyond

"...Draitser examines some of the volatile conflicts on the continent, attempting to trace how they relate to the US-NATO regional and global hegemonic agenda. From there, he provides his analysis of Syria and the US role in the rise of ISIS/ISIL, as well as Washington's militarization of Latin America in order to stifle its independence and growing alliances with the non-western world."
Sep 20, 2015 | stopimperialism.org

Eric Draitser appears on WBAI 99.5 FM (NYC) for part 2 of his interview on imperialism in the world today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=WZghyoQi3yE

He describes in detail what the US and its neocolonial NATO allies are doing in Africa, with close attention to the grand strategy of militarily checking the economic influence of China. Draitser examines some of the volatile conflicts on the continent, attempting to trace how they relate to the US-NATO regional and global hegemonic agenda. From there, he provides his analysis of Syria and the US role in the rise of ISIS/ISIL, as well as Washington's militarization of Latin America in order to stifle its independence and growing alliances with the non-western world. Finally, Draitser touches on the current situation in Haiti and the grand strategy of containing China through the Asia Pivot and the Trans-Pacific Partnership. All this and much much more in this wide-ranging interview.

[Sep 19, 2015]Greece awaits outcome of Alexis Tsipras gamble: 'We have all aged'

I am not sure that what EU wants is recovery. I think that idea is a fire sell of key Greek assets to Germany for pennies of a dollar. Distressed sales, you know. Welcome to modern debt slavery.
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"..."Dutch economist Maarten Verwey has unprecedented powers as his taskforce oversees the implementation of Greece's cash-for-reforms rescue package...Whoever ends up moving into Maximos Mansion, the official Athens residence of Greece's prime ministers, after Sunday's election, they will not, in any meaningful sense, be running the country.
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That honour might be said to go instead to a besuited Dutch economist in Brussels with the imposing title of director-general in the secretariat-general of the European commission in charge of the Structural Reform Support Service.
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Maarten Verwey, a senior civil servant at the Dutch finance ministry who joined the commission in 2011 and led its Cyprus assistance programme, heads what amounts to an EU taskforce for Greece, Greek media have said. "
Sep 19, 2015 | The Guardian

monzer7 19 Sep 2015 22:28

They sucked up to their politicians, whilst they ignored the obligations of their society. Any collective responsibility was surrendered for personal gain.

As usual... The Politicos grabbed the loot, and did a quick exit.

What remains, is your problem!

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Do you see it?... That debt necklace that continues to engulf you?

The moral catastrophe this EU promoted...

We have to respond - but do reflect when you vote when Cameron decides.

rberger -> Sehome 19 Sep 2015 21:47

While there might be some economic sense to your idea, the politics make it unlikely to happen. The Southern Europe countries wanted the stable currency and low interest rates associated with the Bundesbank. If you asked Spain whether they wanted to go into a union with people like Greece, it wouldn't make any sense to them - they would prefer to stick to their own currency.

Xenkar -> Mackname 19 Sep 2015 21:42

We have to keep pretences about Democracy in Europe is all. As for the renaissance I can't see Greece waiting 3 centuries as a debt colony, unless you are referring to the word literally, or to the sociological results of the renaissance after its end which was the return of Democracy in a revolutionary fashion.

rberger -> Pannie321 19 Sep 2015 21:40

Of all the privatizations that have been done since the crisis started, not a single one has gone to a German company. (The airport operations one may go to a joint venture with Fraport but it hasn't been finalized yet.) The winners of the privatizations have been from countries like China, Hungary, Azerbaijan, etc (i.e., usually not EZ countries). I don't think there are any German companies involved in any of the upcoming privatizations either.

Mackname 19 Sep 2015 21:27

I don't understand the logical that keeps those people voting for something that they have no power to do a damned thing about it.

Those people need a renaissance.

slipangle -> Shizam13 19 Sep 2015 21:25

"German jackboot" that really is disgraceful, Germany would be far happier if Greece had run proper balanced budgets. The Greeks were the architects of their own disaster,Germans should be thanked for bailing the fools out rather then insulted.

randomguydeaustralie -> Sehome 19 Sep 2015 21:19

What, like an Austro-Hungarian Empire you mean?? That ended pretty badly as I recall

Pannie321 -> rberger 19 Sep 2015 21:14

Merkel has never been supportive of Greece, she along with Schauble are entirely responsible for impoverishing Greece for the benefit of German Banks. Just check out which Country's businesses are buying up Greek assets cheaply, check out the Nationality of the Business that hasn't paid any V.A.T. revenues or social security(N.I.) contributions for the past 20 years. That business has now conveniently sold their interests.

DogsLivesMatter -> TheRuthlessTruth 19 Sep 2015 21:10

The World Bank and the IMF.

deskandchair 19 Sep 2015 20:56

Why have elections when thanks to Tsipras treacherous deal it makes absolutely no difference who's elected. Greece your new PM is Maarten Vervwey:

"Dutch economist Maarten Verwey has unprecedented powers as his taskforce oversees the implementation of Greece's cash-for-reforms rescue package...Whoever ends up moving into Maximos Mansion, the official Athens residence of Greece's prime ministers, after Sunday's election, they will not, in any meaningful sense, be running the country.

That honour might be said to go instead to a besuited Dutch economist in Brussels with the imposing title of director-general in the secretariat-general of the European commission in charge of the Structural Reform Support Service.

Maarten Verwey, a senior civil servant at the Dutch finance ministry who joined the commission in 2011 and led its Cyprus assistance programme, heads what amounts to an EU taskforce for Greece, Greek media have said. "
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/18/eurozone-greek-prime-minister-maarten-verway-greece-bailout

Sehome 19 Sep 2015 20:26

I have watched economic problems from Portugal to Greece for a few years now, seemingly insoluble without German/Brussells dictates, and I have a Propossal:
All Southern Europe, with its own level of economic strength, languages and cuisine and weather, should withdraw from EU and be its own Union, with its own currency. All of wealthy, arrogant Northern Europe including Scandinavia would be Europe North, but with no power to order anything at all in Europe South.
This would leave Czech Rep, Slovakia, Poland, the Balts and the poor small countries of Yugoslavia, either to form a Middle Europe, or break to join the North or South.
Three Europes, I think, makes more sense when one considers language, culture, values, and economics.

OXIOXI20 -> TheRuthlessTruth 19 Sep 2015 20:22

You ever hear of bank bailouts, 2008, 2010, 2012 ??

Scrotalyser 19 Sep 2015 19:46

I hate to have to tell them, but the Greeks sold their country for Euros. So they can't do anything, because they gave their power away to a cabal of faceless fraudsters.

Captain_Tibbets 19 Sep 2015 19:41

Tell the EU to shove their debts.

Iceland is doing fine now. You don't need the Euro. It's a curse not a blessing. We did tell you that.

This German mercantilist farce needs to stop. Do it now whilst they're in a blind panic about their disasterous asylum plans which are on the brink of causing war between Hungary and Slovenia. Kick the Germans when they are down - it's the best way, they're not so good fighting on two fronts historically...

[Sep 18, 2015] Ukranian official finds wrong kind of corruption, setup and arrested for corruption

Moscow Exile, September 16, 2015 at 1:09 am

You just couldn't make it up!

SBU catches State Employment Service chief taking bribe

See also: Ukraine Anti-Corruption Official Arrested for… Corruption

It's all Putin's/Russia's doing, though.

Stands to reason …

marknesop, September 16, 2015 at 7:49 am
Mmm hmmmm, large amount of cash found in vehicle, check. Weapon and ammunition found in vehicle, check. What…no air tickets to Moscow? Where's the flippin' air tickets, you incompetent cretins?? There always have to be air tickets, Christ, do I have to run a fucking seminar or something?

I'd be willing to bet his real crime was getting in someone's way in the Porky/Yatsie machine, simply because it has happened over and over since they took power – as predictable as darkness at the end of daylight. Official commissioned to root out corruption, official finds wrong kind of corruption, official announces the finding of corruption, official accused of corruption, found with large amount of cash, sometimes weapons although that's not of much consequence in a country full of them, and who uses a rifle downtown to extort money?…and air tickets, signifying an intent to flee. Always remember the air tickets, it's important.

I wouldn't go so far as to say he has done nothing wrong, but he is likely no more corrupt than the rest of the organization, including a president who is still raking in the dough from private enterprise and owns his own media channel. Perhaps that's what endears him so to the west, who see him taking his first tottering steps toward a society utterly dominated by corporatism and business to the exclusion of all other concerns, beyond paying them pious lip service at election time. American policymakers probably envy him his open graft and lawbreaking, and wish they, too were allowed to merely promise to sell their corporate interests if elected and then forget about it, whereupon everyone else would just ignore it and figure there is nothing untoward about a political figure making a little brass. After all, that pathetic Ukrainian in the man-on-the-street interview in the run-up to elections said he was voting for Poroshenko because he was already rich, so hopefully he would not steal as much.

marknesop , September 17, 2015 at 3:14 pm
Mosiychuk is stripped of his Parliamentary immunity and arrested. A video allegedly shows him soliciting and accepting bribes. Lyashko is stunned. This is apparently unprecedented. His own party is said to have voted for it, believing Mosiychuk would then be given the floor and would refute the allegations. But, in what is beginning to typify the last-of-the-wild-frontier politics in Kiev, they went straight to arrest. The masked police are a nice touch, and in my humble opinion, a great way to display European values. Keep it up, Ukraine – you're almost NATO material!!
marknesop, September 17, 2015 at 7:42 pm
Oh, dear – poor Ukraine. More corruption.

Three Million a year in salary and bonuses? Sounds fair to me – like he says, this is not a charity.

[Sep 18, 2015] Speech of Vladimir Putin before the Collective Security Treaty Organisation's Collective Security Council in Dushanbe

"..."Equally, Lavrov lifted the veil a little bit to let the Americans know that the Russian military intelligence has not only been monitoring the operations of the American military aircraft in Iraq but have scientifically analyzed the US aircraft's flight plans and so on. In sum, Russians seem to have intelligence dope to substantiate something that the Iranians have been all along maintaining, namely, that the American aircraft are regularly airdropping supplies for the IS." "

thesaker.is

The presidents of Russia, Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan met in narrow format and then continued their talks with their delegations present.

The summit's main focus was on effective response to the biggest current military and political challenges, including an upsurge in activity by terrorist and extremist groups and destabilisation of the situation on the CSTO countries' borders.

The meeting ended with a package of documents being signed, including a statement by the CSTO Collective Security Council's member states. In particular, documents were signed concerning cooperation in the transit of military formations and military products; readiness inspections for carrying out the Collective Rapid Reaction Forces' objectives, their composition and deployment, as well as the CSTO's budget.

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Speech at CSTO Collective Security Council session

President of Russia Vladimir Putin: Thank you, Mr Rahmon!

First of all, I would like to express my gratitude for the opportunity to work in Tajikistan today.

I would like to note that Tajikistan is our strategic partner and ally. We see that here in Tajikistan, you also face problems with certain forays and attempts to destabilise the situation. I would like to say straight away that we are assessing these threats adequately and you can always count on our help and support, although we see that your law enforcement agencies and armed forces are handling the problems that come up effectively.

Just now, in the restricted format, we had a detailed discussion on the CSTO's zone of responsibility, as well as urgent regional and international problems, and outlined steps to further strengthen our organisation. We noted the increase in threats faced by CSTO member states in various areas.

We are concerned by the state of affairs in Afghanistan. International security forces have been in that nation a long time, carrying out certain work, including positive work; however, it still has not brought qualitative, definitive and decisive improvements to the situation. Unfortunately, the situation in that country is deteriorating following the withdrawal of most foreign military forces.

There is an increase in the real danger of terrorist and extremist groups entering nations that neighbour Afghanistan, and the threat is made worse by the fact that in addition to the well-known organisations, the influence of the so-called Islamic State has also spread to Afghanistan. The scope of the organisation's work has reached far beyond the borders of Iraq and Syria. Terrorists are carrying out mass executions, plunging entire nations into chaos and poverty and destroying cultural monuments and religious shrines.

The outcomes of the fight by international security forces against the production of narcotics is no less dispiriting. We know how this threat is growing from year to year; unfortunately, it is not decreasing.

I mentioned the situation in Syria and Iraq; they are the same as the situation in Afghanistan, in that they worry all of us. Please allow me to say a few words on the situation in this region, the situation around Syria.

The state of affairs there is very serious. The so-called Islamic State controls significant stretches of territory in Iraq and Syria. Terrorists are already publicly stating that they have targets set on Mecca, Medina and Jerusalem. Their plans include expanding activities to Europe, Russia, Central and Southeast Asia.

We are concerned by this, especially since militants undergoing ideological indoctrinations and military training by ISIS come from many nations around the world – including, unfortunately, European nations, the Russian Federation, and many former Soviet republics. And, of course, we are concerned by their possible return to our territories.

Basic common sense and a sense of responsibility for global and regional security require the international community to join forces against this threat. We need to set aside geopolitical ambitions, leave behind so-called double standards and the policy of direct or indirect use of individual terrorist groups to achieve one's own opportunistic goals, including changes in undesirable governments and regimes.

As you know, Russia has proposed rapidly forming a broad coalition to counteract the extremists. It must unite everyone who is prepared to make, or is already making, an input into fighting terrorism, just as Iraq and Syria's armed forces are doing today. We support the Syrian government – I want to say this – in countering terrorist aggression. We provide and will continue to provide the necessary military technology assistance and urge other nations to join in.

Clearly, without active participation by the Syrian authorities and military, without participation by the Syrian army, as the soldiers fighting with the Islamic State say, you cannot expel terrorists from this nation, as well as the region overall, it is impossible to protect the multi-ethnic and multi-faith people of Syria from elimination, enslavement and barbarism.

Of course, it is imperative to think about the political changes in Syria. And we know that President Assad is ready to involve the moderate segment of the opposition, the healthy opposition forces in these processes, in managing the state. But the need to join forces in the fight against terrorism is certainly at the forefront today. Without this, it is impossible to resolve the other urgent and growing problems, including the problem of refugees we are seeing now.

Incidentally, we are seeing something else: we are currently seeing attempts to practically put the blame on Russia for this problem, for its occurrence. As if the refugee problem grew because Russia supports the legitimate government in Syria.

First of all, I would like to note that the people of Syria are, first and foremost, fleeing the fighting, which is mostly due to external factors as a result of supplies of arms and other specialized equipment. People are feeling the atrocities of the terrorists. We know that they are committing atrocities there, that they are sacrificing people, destroying cultural monuments as I already mentioned, and so on. They are fleeing the radicals, first and foremost. And if Russia had not supported Syria, the situation in that nation would have been even worse than in Libya, and the flow of refugees would be even greater.

Second, the support of the legitimate government in Syria is not in any way related to the flow of refugees from nations like Libya, which I already mentioned, Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan, and many others. We were not the ones that destabilised the situation in those nations, in whole regions of the world. We did not destroy government institutions there, creating power vacuums that were immediately filled by terrorists. So nobody can say that we were the cause of this problem.

But right now, as I said, we need to focus on joining forces between the Syrian government, the Kurdish militia, the so-called moderate opposition, and nations in the region to fight the threat against Syria's very statehood and the fight against terrorism – so that together, with our efforts combined, we can solve this problem.

I already spoke about the other issues that currently concern us, which we discussed today. In this respect, I would like to note that we plan to continue strengthening cooperation between our armed forces. We plan a whole set of activities in this area. I would like to also stress that our cooperation within the CSTO framework is certainly not directed against anybody. We are open to constructive cooperation, and that is precisely the approach that is reinforced in the final statement that will be signed today.

I am certain that we must resume concrete discussions on creating Euro-Atlantic systems for equitable and indivisible security; we need to carry out a full inventory of existing problems and disagreements. This analysis can be used to achieve a discussion of the principles of sustainable political development. The OSCE and other international organisations can be used to agree on legally binding guarantees concerning the indivisibility of security for all nations, achieve observance of important fundamental principles of international law (respecting the sovereignty of states, not meddling in their domestic affairs), and strengthen regulations on the inadmissibility of appeasing anti-state, anti-constitutional coups and the promotion of radical and extremist forces.

I would like to thank Mr Rahmon for his work as chairman of the CSTO, as well as my other colleagues, and to wish our Armenian partners and friends success in chairing the organisation. Thank you very much for your attention.

source: http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/50291

Martin from S.E.B. on September 16, 2015 · at 12:51 am UTC

Putin speaks out all the related Truth now, finally!
Also rightfully he points out, that US-ISIS could spread to Europe and Russia like a wildfire during storm, if it cannot be extinguished very soon.

"""""But right now, as I said, we need to focus on joining forces between the Syrian government, the Kurdish militia, the so-called moderate opposition, and nations in the region to fight the threat against Syria's very statehood and the fight against terrorism – so that together, with our efforts combined, we can solve this problem."""""

I don't need a religion for this: I PRAY and wish all the Best!!!

Anonymous on September 16, 2015 · at 1:09 am UTC

re: Syria and the latest BBC article. At least they did not do a blatant hack job ( maybe the sarcastic article in RI today about how to write mindless attacks on Russia hit a nerve) And , my, my they have a defense analyzer who actually makes sense:

Analysis: Jonathan Marcus, BBC defence correspondent

"Russia's backing for Mr Assad should be seen not as a vote of confidence in Syria's embattled president but as an investment in a country where Russia believes it can play out its foreign-policy role.

Indeed Mr Putin's military deployments signal that he will not let the Assad regime fall. This does not mean Mr Assad will be there forever.

Russian diplomacy is working in tandem with its military policy, exploring all avenues for reaching some sort of interim deal in which Mr Assad might stay on, at least for the time being.

But Russia's horizons in Syria probably extend well beyond Mr Assad's active presence – a reflection of Russia's concerns about militant Islam and wider trends in the region, and also its belief that Western remedies in the Middle East have been an unmitigated disaster. "

David George, on September 16, 2015
It is very frustrating to hear from a French source what is going on in CSTO affairs, and not to hear it from Russian sources. Nothing in TASS, nothing in Sputnik-RIA Novosti, nothing like the Voltaire-net story in the speech from Putin. Is the Voltaire-net story true?
http://www.voltairenet.org/article188710.html

Meanwhile the US administration of criminals and liars pretends to be puzzled by Russia's support for Syria, what a load of tripe in the New York Times. The Americans are not worth talking to, they don't know how to tell the truth or hear it, it is something that sticks in their craw, there has to be some propaganda angle in play in everything they say, and behind that is a party line that is right out of the propaganda the west used to spout about Stalin. Beware, whoever dares to question the world according the New York Times: the truth is too important to be left out in the open and must be hidden behind a curtain of lies.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/16/world/middleeast/white-house-split-on-opening-talks-with-putin.html?_r=0

It would be good someday to have access to a network of reporters committed to giving accurate information from every country, for example in the current crisis area from the capitals of Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Saudi, Qatar, Israel, Jordan, the western capitals, etc. so that each viewpoint can be assessed and a judgment formed.

Reading between lines and deciphering cryptic word bites really sucks, and I am sick of it. I don't know about anybody else but I have just about had it even with the internet. I get a better picture of the world from just daydreaming about it. Earth people can be so stupid!


Red Ryder on September 16, 2015 · at 3:15 am UTC

When you find a story on one source, spend a few minutes using a browser like DuckDuckGo or Yandex or Baidu and look for the essence, like the same headline facts.

If you don't find anything, it's generally not much more than wishful thinking.

If the topic is really compelling, try searching for the next day or two. If you find only the original source repeated or not at all addressed, it was fantasy.

Voltaire is cotton candy. Makes your feel good as the sugar rushes through your brain and bloodstream.

David George on September 16, 2015 · at 6:10 am UTC

I'm beginning to think you are right about Voltaire-net, but they have been good for some information I think.

Anonymous, on September 16, 2015

Nevertheless the footnotes to many of the articles in Voltairenet are a treasure trove and they remain available in full, also a rarity in my experience.

For example this one; http://www.voltairenet.org/article188650.html
……..http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isis-syria-iraq
……..https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-west-saw-isis-as-strategic-asset-b99ad7a29092
……..http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/18/world/africa/18iht-iraq.4.6718200.html

and esp this one;……………..http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/06/el-salvador-iraq-police-squads-washington………..with its' first video documentary which I find extraordinary.

Cassandra on September 16, 2015 · at 3:41 am UTC

History lesson

The Soviet Union entered Afghanistan in late December, 1979. This is what happened in the first part of 1979, as told in "From the Shadows" by former CIA director and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and reprinted at stormcloudsgathering.com.

"The Carter administration began looking at the possibility of covert assistance to the insurgents opposing the pro-Soviet, Marxist government of President Taraki at the beginning of 1979. . .

"On March 30, 1979, Aaron chaired a historic "mini-SCC" … Walt Slocombe, representing Defense, asked if there was value in keeping the Afghan insurgency going, "sucking the Soviets into a Vietnamese quagmire?". . .

Peter on September 16, 2015 · at 5:39 am UTC

USSR's Afghanistan. US's Vietnam.
Putin/Russia is not the USSR.
US is still the US.

Erebus on September 16, 2015 · at 4:15 am UTC

I'm looking for an even more pointed statement when Putin addresses the UN at the end of this month. The gloves are coming off. The Kremlin has been on a diplomatic blitzkrieg for a few months now, and they must think they have enough support to take the USA's strategy head-on.

By inviting the USA to join their coalition, Moscow has put Washington into Zugzwang.
The choice is: publicly support regime change in Syria over the destruction of ISIS, or join the Russian initiative to destroy the terror networks. Either way, American Exceptionalism, to say nothing of Indispensability, gets knocked cross-eyed.

Talk about getting out-maneuvered. Ouch.

Ann on September 16, 2015 · at 5:00 am UTC

sadly, when he said that Russia stands behind and will support any problems arising in Tajikistan I immediately … knee jerk … thought of when he said about the same thing in Donbass…that was very difficult to understand…I think the 5th column prevented Putin from entering Donbass right at the beginning of the war. Putin is not like a person that makes empty promises, and during that time, the beginning of the Donbass fiasco when he was making that promise, he was sitting on the edge of his seat I remember…as though it had already been talked about in the government and he thought he could make a tentative promise…but I guess he was overruled.

Grieved on September 16, 2015 · at 5:08 am UTC

I consistently admire the way in which Russia speaks only the truth required for the concerns of the day, but even so never hesitates to speak the necessary truth, and never speaks anything other than the truth when she does speak. Russia is formally a friend of Israel, and yet will speak of "joining forces between the Syrian government, the Kurdish militia, the so-called moderate opposition, and nations in the region to fight the threat against Syria's very statehood and the fight against terrorism…"

No mention of Israel or Turkey as belligerents acting against such a coalition. And perhaps as it comes together, these nations will reverse their positions and bow to the inevitable. Russia is quite elegant, I think, in allowing all parties in situations the maximum room to change and adapt, leaving it until the vital last moment for any potential opposition to gather its energy into a strike – at which time Russia will engage with that very energy to throw down the opponent.

I know it's irresistible to use these judo analogies with everything that Russia and Putin do – but how can we see it otherwise? The entire military doctrine and diplomatic activities of Russia display this every day. There's a rigorous adherence to the factual truth, combined with a severe reluctance to spend words or effort until the moment is right – combined yet again with zero hesitation to expend massive energy for actions deemed necessary, such as military drills.

It's clear I'm a fan of Russia, but only because of what i see.

Demeter on September 17, 2015 · at 5:26 pm UTC

"Russia is quite elegant, I think, in allowing all parties in situations the maximum room to change and adapt, leaving it until the vital last moment for any potential opposition to gather its energy into a strike – at which time Russia will engage with that very energy to throw down the opponent."

Thank you for saying that Grieved. I think this is quite true. I felt frustrated when I read that again Putin would not mention with one word the true culprits. But then again, as you said, he is giving them one more and another and yet another chance to change their mind and come to their senses. Lie one warning after another but wrapped as an invitation to join forces.

Should they (US, Israel, Turkey, Saudi etc) decide to continue to follow on the path of destruction of a sovereign nation Russia will hit back with full might.

Mulga Mumblebrain on September 17, 2015 · at 10:56 pm UTC

Israel will not change its position vis-a-vis the destruction of Syria. That's not how they operate. They demand 100% gratification of their desires, being above dealing with mere goyim as if they were their equals.

The Israeli elite want Syria broken up into four or so mutually antagonistic fragments, the better for Israel to dominate them, prior to the eventual annexation of those lands that they covet as Eretz Yisrael.

And, of course, Zionazi intransigence and ambition, while growing more explicit over the years as the hard Right took over in Israel, and the Jewish Fifth Columns took over Western polities, the USA in particular, has been there awaiting realisation, since the days of Herzl and Ben-Gurion. Israel does not, and I believe can not, do compromise because the essence of their cult is the ineradicable belief in their superiority over the goyim, and the pre-eminence of Judaic Law over International Law, which they believe, must not be applied to those acting directly according to Divine Will.

Jabotinsky's 'Iron Wall' of total intransigence and absolute refusal to compromise, negotiate in good faith or keep agreements with others, unless they definitively favour the Jews, is 'non-negotiable'. It is, of course, a psychology that has gotten them into strife, over and over again, throughout history, with hideous consequences, for the Jews and their victims as well, but today, with an increasingly deranged elite, inside Israel and in the Diaspora, armed with hundreds of nukes, it's positively apocalyptic.

Unfortunately there are lots of lunatics actively looking forward to such an outcome, particularly the loathsome Christian Zionists.

Stan K on September 18, 2015 · at 5:31 am UTC

This article explains what you are referring to. "The Promised Land",

http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

Reminds me of another sinister plan!

David George on September 16, 2015 · at 6:12 am UTC

I hope and pray that such a force will be created that it will destroy the psycho takfiris, their enablers and handlers, their psycho mullahs and preachers, ideologues, strategists, tacticians, lying political apologists, western criminal bankrollers, the whole evil society, and that a plague like this will never again be allowed to exist on the face of the Earth; and that the US and its minions will be presented with the whole bill for repairing the destruction they have caused and making the victims whole again.

Erebus on September 16, 2015 · at 9:39 am UTC

David,

Be careful what you wish for. If the forces unleashed were truly enough to destroy all your target parties, I doubt there'd be enough of the USA left to present any sort of bill to, or anyone left inclined to present it.

I believe it was Penelope who linked this article from Mike Whitney in another thread: http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2015/08/21/ankara-the-new-capital-of-jihad.html

Though Mr. Whitney hyperventilates a bit, the scenario he paints is both believable and ominous.

I think one should hope that the clash consists of a short, sharp lesson. Say, the first few NATO/USAF planes entering Syrian airspace falling out of the sky would be absolutely devastating to Western pre-eminence. In a word, it would be over.

CSTO's bandwagon would break an axle under the crush of new partners, and the "psycho takfiris" could then be systematically destroyed.

David George on September 16, 2015 · at 1:12 pm UTC

I grew tired of Mike Whitney a long time ago, he is one of a long list of glib analysts who never manage to put their finger on the essential evil of the people they analyze, or who somehow manage to make it sound "everyday". There is nothing "everyday" about the criminals in Washington and Jerusalem, Ankara, Riyadh, and the other cesspools of global power like Las Vegas, Los Angeles, New York, and the various lily pads where they seek peace from their own consciences. They need to be destroyed. I remember when Turkey's foreign policy was "zero problems", then over one weekend it switched. Who promised what? Not only a few downed jets, but a few radiating airbases and a generation's worth of repentance might be the answer to today's slick sickness. If it were not for zombies like Brzezhinski and Kissinger and their banker sponsors, a young girl in Afghanistan or elsewhere might have a prospect of a reasonable future instead of the prospect of being married to a bearded psycho four times her age. Enough is enough.

Erebus on September 17, 2015 · at 12:00 am UTC

Your rage is not misplaced, but it is futile. The "evil" you speak of is just a point on the spectrum of human behaviors. Eradicating it? Maybe, over generations. In one cathartic event? Sure, but the collateral damage will be the rest of the spectrum, and even the planet.
I think the strategy being pursued by Russia & China is the only viable one. Box that "evil" in so it can't continue to destroy nations and lives on an international scale. Expose it, challenge it, drive it into its domestic corner(s) where, disconnected from its international wealth pumps it can be constrained by the local population.

Mulga Mumblebrain on September 17, 2015 · at 11:17 pm UTC

Erebus, that would be like trying to cage a cancer. If you do not then excise the cancer, you will suffer metabolic injury so great that you will perish, as the cancer pumps out various toxins, like 'Free Market Fundamentalism', 'Western moral values' or 'Exceptionalism'. Cut the tumour out, plus the chemotherapy of somehow rescuing the non-malignant members of the cancer societies from the inhuman habits inculcated in them from birth (ie gross materialism, unbridled greed, cultural and racial superiority, addiction to crass 'tittietainment' etc) and even a few escaping cancer cells can cause metastasis elsewhere. What is really needed is a miracle, a 'spontaneous remission' where the individual cells in the Western cancer suddenly transform themselves into non-malignant, human, organisms again. There might be some good signs, such as the rise of Corbyn in the UK, the eclipse of Harper, the character of Pope Francis, but there is a Hell of a way to go, and not much hope of success.

Outlaw Historian on September 16, 2015 · at 11:11 pm UTC

Russian intel watch very very closely the movements of Outlaw Empire airplanes over Syria & Iraq, not just the supposed airstrikes but air drops of supplies too. Excerpted from Lavrov's latest speech:

"Equally, Lavrov lifted the veil a little bit to let the Americans know that the Russian military intelligence has not only been monitoring the operations of the American military aircraft in Iraq but have scientifically analyzed the US aircraft's flight plans and so on. In sum, Russians seem to have intelligence dope to substantiate something that the Iranians have been all along maintaining, namely, that the American aircraft are regularly airdropping supplies for the IS."

http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2015/09/14/russia-exposes-us-hidden-agenda-in-syria/

So we have three recent very detailed speeches about the situation and what's being done. I would be remiss to not add Korybko's latest Sputnik oped to this list, http://sputniknews.com/columnists/20150915/1027039805.html

Finally, after 70 years the tables are about to be turned, and not a moment too soon.

[Sep 08, 2015]Yanis Varoufakis How Europe Crushed4 Greece

"...We all know that neoliberal economics is the driver of grotesque mal-distribution of wealth as a privileged nomenclature gorges on resources it has commandeered through insider dealing. The predations of this ideology over recent years mimic the violent reaction of Europe's other great Union – the Soviet Union – to any challenge to the privileges of the nomenclature."
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"...As this story demonstrates yet again, the Troika never meant to negotiate in good faith with the Greek government, but simply imposed its own destructive austerity and privatization program on it. It's also clear that the EU per se has very little independent existence, being mainly administrative scaffolding for the German government to pursue its own essentially predatory policies directed at the subjugation of the rest of Europe."
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"...Mr. Varoufakis also ignores the role that clientelism has played in making a bad situation even worse. He also ignores Greece's excessive debt and runaway fiscal spending. This has been going on since 1980. "
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"...The divergence between Germany, on the one hand, and France and Italy, on the other, has been hinted at in various analyses. The existing Euro system does represent the rule of bankers, enforced by central bank control of the currency and pliable elected officials. As I observed over a long career representing debtors and creditors in big cases, it is useless to expect a realistic evaluation of the debtor's ability to repay, and a rational restructuring of debt, until the personnel responsible for making the ill-advised loans are no longer the decision-makers (i.e. fired, retired or escaped to greener pastures). The European banks, knowing that the Greeks could not repay, pressured their governments to bail them out in stages starting in 2010, and they have succeeded in getting out. The politicians who effected this bailout don't want to now tell the voters that they sold them out for the benefit of the banks; rather they excoriate the Greeks as deadbeats, and refuse to deal with anyone who speaks reality. So Greece, a small country, which can't repay the amount of debt outstanding, must wait for a new cast of European politicians before sound economic arrangements can be implemented. The current deal just kicks the can down the road pending such political change; it has no chance of success. Comme ca change, comme c'est la meme chose."
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"...You are wrong. The bankers knew well that Greece's loans were unsustainable and yet, they kept lending, knowing that Merkel would cover the losses. However, what happened has happened. many were at fault. Countries cause wars and ethic cleansing and are not punished. Germany is a prime example. Why is Greece being held to a different standard? What happened to solidarity. Merkel is showing more solidarity to the migrants, inviting all of the Middle East to come to Europe. She should fly them directly to Germany. Why let them go through Greece first. Germany has a black eye, after her treatment of Greece and now wants to show her "softer side" Let her suffer the consequences then"
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"...His arguments about how irrational the eurozone has been in not transforming its economic framework to a form more convenient to Greece, which represents only about 2% of the eurozone's GDP, is not compelling. It's like the argument of millions of illegal aliens from failed societies given citizenship who then turn around and agitate for changing the host society so that it better resembles the failed societies. The eurozone's economic framework is hardly "undemocratic" if its most vocal critics number so few among the whole."
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"...Greece's rich and powerful, like the elites everywhere, "crushed Greece", because as countless man/woman in the street quotes in this paper indicate Greek business owners and professionals not on salary cheat and do not pay owed taxes. This criminal elite role modeling then infects the rest of the society as well. Obviously when not enough money goes into government treasuries this also causes deficits! But the rich and powerful, and their bought and paid for media, skillfully distract us from this reality by arranging the public discussion to just be about cuts to sympathetic government programs, cuts that are most often offered by the same criminal elites as the only solution to reducing deficits. Which means the same dysfunctional status quo is continued and so yet more and more loans and bailouts and debt forgiveness and screaming and yelling about being "victims" of it all go on - probably forever. "
Sep 08, 2015 | The New York Times

Since the beginning of Greece's financial crisis in 2010, two prime ministers have been swept from office after they were forced to adopt an unfeasible package of austerity measures in exchange for a bailout from the troika, as the eurozone authorities - the European Commission, the European Central Bank and the International Monetary Fund - are known. It pains me to watch the same fate befall a third prime minister, my friend and comrade Alexis Tsipras.

In July, when Mr. Tspiras was forced to capitulate to the troika's latest "program," it spelled the end of our government. It also caused a split in our party, Syriza, between those who reluctantly agreed to implement the program and the rest of us (approximately 40 Syriza members of Parliament, out of a total of 149) who did not. The general election set for Sept. 20 is a result of this crisis.

For my part, having resigned as finance minister over the troika's ruthless, humiliating imposition, I plan to sit this one out. I will not contest my parliamentary seat in a sad election that will not produce a Parliament capable of endorsing a realistic reform agenda for Greece.

Nor can I support the adoption of a troika program that everyone knows is destined to fail. There was a clear consensus, shared not only by myself and Mr. Tsipras, but also by Germany's finance minister, Wolfgang Schäuble, and officials at the International Monetary Fund, that the new bailout deal was not viable.

I will not, however, join those who think that exiting the eurozone, to bring about a major devaluation with a reintroduced drachma, is in itself a program for Greece's recovery.

The cause of this continuing trouble for Greece lies in the eurozone's existential crisis. The pioneers of the single currency, of whom Mr. Schäuble is the last active member, were undecided whether the euro should be modeled on the international gold standard of the interwar period or on a sovereign currency, like the dollar.

The gold standard relied on strict rules that were unenforceable during a crisis. In a severe downturn, these imposed the greatest burden on the worst-hit economies and thus made exit the only alternative to a humanitarian crisis. This is the reason that President Franklin D. Roosevelt took the United States off the gold standard in 1933, expanded the money supply and helped pull America out of the Depression.

A sovereign currency, or state money, demands a different, more flexible set of responses based on political union, as the French government and others have recently proposed. The great questions that Europe must answer are: What kind of political union do we want? And are we prepared to act quickly enough to prevent the fragmentation of the eurozone?

Europe's indecision is a result of a deep rift between Berlin and Paris. Berlin has traditionally backed a rules-based eurozone in which every member state is responsible for its own finances, including bank bailouts, with political union limited to a fiscal overlord's possessing veto power over national budgets that violate the rules. Paris and Rome, cognizant that their deficit position would condemn them to a slow-burning recession under such a rules-based political union, see things differently.

It was in the context of this standoff that Mr. Schäuble felt that accepting an alternative plan for Greece's recovery, in place of the troika's program, would weaken Germany's hand vis-à-vis the French. Thus little Greece was crushed while the elephants tussled.

We had such a plan. In March, I undertook the task of compiling an alternative program for Greece's recovery, with advice from the economist Jeffrey Sachs and input from a host of experts, including the former American Treasury Secretary Larry Summers, and the former British chancellor of the Exchequer Norman Lamont.

Our proposals began with a strategy for debt swaps to reduce the public debt's burden on state finances. This measure would allow for sustainable budget surpluses (net of debt and interest repayments) from 2018 onward. We set a target for those surpluses of no more than 2 percent of national income (the troika program's target is 3.5 percent). With less pressure on the government to depress demand in the economy by cutting public spending, the Greek economy would attract investors of productive capital.

As well as making this possible, the debt swaps would also render Greek sovereign debt eligible for the European Central Bank's quantitative easing program. This in turn would speed up Greece's return to the money markets, reducing its reliance on loans from European institutions.

To generate homegrown investment, we proposed a development bank to take over public assets from the state, collateralize them and so create an income stream for reinvestment. We also planned to set up a "bad bank" that would use financial engineering techniques to clear the Greek commercial banks' mountain of nonperforming loans. A series of other reforms, including a new, independent I.R.S.-like tax authority, rounded out our proposals.

The document was ready on May 11. Although I presented it to key European finance ministers, including Mr. Schäuble, as the Greek Finance Ministry's official plan, it never received the endorsement of our own prime minister. The reason? Because the troika made it abundantly clear to Mr. Tsipras that any such document would be seen as a hostile attempt to backtrack from the conditions of the troika's existing program. That program, of course, had made no provision for debt restructuring and therefore demanded cripplingly high budget surpluses.

The fact that few people ever got to hear about the Greek plan is a testament to the eurozone's deep failures of governance. If the "Athens Spring" - when the Greek people courageously rejected the catastrophic austerity conditions of the previous bailouts - has one lesson to teach, it is that Greece will recover only when the European Union makes the transition from "We the states" to "We the European people."

Across the Continent, people are fed up with a monetary union that is inefficient because it is so profoundly undemocratic. This is why the battle for rescuing Greece has now turned into a battle for Europe's integrity, soul, rationality and democracy. I plan to concentrate on helping set up a Pan-European political movement, inspired by the Athens Spring, that will work toward Europe's democratization.

Naturally, this will take years to bear fruit - years that Greece cannot afford. In the meantime, I shall continue to promote our plan for Greece's recovery as a true, viable alternative to the troika's impossible program.

Yanis Varoufakis, a former finance minister of Greece, is an outgoing member of Parliament for Syriza and a professor of economics at the University of Athens.


DaveG, Manhattan

Greece lied about its financial situation when it joined the Euro zone (with Goldman-Sachs' help.)

Beyond that, with no true political union in Europe, the Euro was a bad idea from the start. (Good for Germany, because it gets to sell its goods abroad more cheaply than if it still used the Mark, but bad for monetary and fiscal policy in less developed countries.)

Now with Greek insolvency, the EU has presented an aid plan, which Greece can never pay back. Austerity with a 25% unemployment rate is no solution. (In 1933, the US had a 25% unemployment rate because of Republican laissez-faire austerity policies. "New Deal" spending would reduce the rate to 15% by at least 1940; unfortunately, WWII did the rest.)

Though the Germans got a "haircut" in 1953 on their accumulated debt (as they had in the 20's/30's), they were not interested in any similar haircut for Greece. (Marshall Plan money the Germans got after the war, and the lack of reparations they were required to pay to countries like Greece under the terms of the 1953 haircut are additional benefits they received then.)

The Greeks and the Germans are no angels in any of this. Europe has just made an economic mess of itself.

Grouch, Toronto

As this story demonstrates yet again, the Troika never meant to negotiate in good faith with the Greek government, but simply imposed its own destructive austerity and privatization program on it.

It's also clear that the EU per se has very little independent existence, being mainly administrative scaffolding for the German government to pursue its own essentially predatory policies directed at the subjugation of the rest of Europe.

Yoda, DC

Dr. Varoufakis makes the same argument in his book "THe Global Minotaur". And he is correct about the very important role that capital flows and crushing debt have played on peripheral nations of which Greece is a member. However, there are other very important factors he ignores (in both this article and the book). He ignores the role and importance of institutions for example. Greece is the only nation in Europe not to have a land registry. Greece's institutions reek of corruption, cronyism and "roufeti" (Greek for you scratch my back, I scratch yours - a subtle form of corruption). This very important fact goes unsaid.

Mr. Varoufakis also ignores the role that clientelism has played in making a bad situation even worse. He also ignores Greece's excessive debt and runaway fiscal spending. This has been going on since 1980.

Robert Jennings, Lithuania/Ireland

A remarkable article.

I am one of the Old believers in the European ideal of Economic and Social cohesion; I have worked in support of the Accession process for over twenty years and watched in dismay as an alien ideology of neoliberalism (Corporatist Capitalism) has reduced the European Ideal to "fumbling in a greasy till", W. B. Yeats on Ireland.

I have also watched in dismay as the same ideology pre-empted Political decision-making in Ireland to force the Irish people to pay the private debts of headstrong and bankrupt Banks.

We all know that neoliberal economics is the driver of grotesque mal-distribution of wealth as a privileged nomenclature gorges on resources it has commandeered through insider dealing. The predations of this ideology over recent years mimic the violent reaction of Europe's other great Union – the Soviet Union – to any challenge to the privileges of the nomenclature.

The Greek people can be proud of their rejection (by referendum) of the European Union nomenclature –their action resonates with the Prague Spring rejection of the Soviet Union nomenclature way back in 1968. The Prague Spring was crushed by Soviet Tanks, the Greek Spring is being throttled by a combination of self-serving International Institutions designed to protect the Neoliberal ideology and the Corporate Capitalist nomenclature it serves.

I hope that people like Yanis Varoufakis can remain a dominant influence in the resistance to the takeover of the European Union.

serban, is a trusted commenter Miller Place

Varoufakis proposals were perfectly reasonably, never mind all the spleen toward Greece displayed by many commenters. None are seem to realize that much of the bloated Greek bureaucracy has in fact been reduced, from where do they think the 25% unemployment comes from? His problem was political weakness, not lack of economic wisdom. Greece did and does not have the muscle to stand up to whatever conditions Germany wanted to impose. Mr. Schauble may honestly believe that Greece needs hard medicine but his approach was to impose a plan that will keep Greece down for many more years. Eventually much of the debt will have to be written of, the longer this goes on the bigger the amount that will not be repaid.

Bill, Boston 8 hours ago

The divergence between Germany, on the one hand, and France and Italy, on the other, has been hinted at in various analyses. The existing Euro system does represent the rule of bankers, enforced by central bank control of the currency and pliable elected officials. As I observed over a long career representing debtors and creditors in big cases, it is useless to expect a realistic evaluation of the debtor's ability to repay, and a rational restructuring of debt, until the personnel responsible for making the ill-advised loans are no longer the decision-makers (i.e. fired, retired or escaped to greener pastures). The European banks, knowing that the Greeks could not repay, pressured their governments to bail them out in stages starting in 2010, and they have succeeded in getting out. The politicians who effected this bailout don't want to now tell the voters that they sold them out for the benefit of the banks; rather they excoriate the Greeks as deadbeats, and refuse to deal with anyone who speaks reality. So Greece, a small country, which can't repay the amount of debt outstanding, must wait for a new cast of European politicians before sound economic arrangements can be implemented. The current deal just kicks the can down the road pending such political change; it has no chance of success. Comme ca change, comme c'est la meme chose.

Uzi Nogueira, Florianopolis, SC 5 hours ago

Mr. Varoufakis: How Europe Crushed Greece. Really?

Greece's eurozone membership was the high point achieved by the political leadership. A tourism-based economy was sharing a common currency along with advanced-wealthy Germany, France, Italy and Netherlands. Everything was fine except for one small detail, the state of a backward economy.

The ruling political elite continued to run the country as business as usual. Namely, an over generous welfare system, a corrupt public patronage system and a backward third world-like economy. The end result, an unsustainable public debt brought about by the 2009 financial crisis.

Mr. Varoufakis -- and fellow politicians -- may still think (erroneously) eurozone membership is an inherited right fore being an European country. He misses, however, a fundamental point about economic integration.

Membership of a rich man's club does not entitle Greece to benefit from other country's wealth and prosperity for free. Greeks have to earn it. This is the ultimate lesson from the current debt crisis.

Richard Luettgen, New Jersey

Mr. Varoufakis needs to re-examine his history. FDR didn't end the Great Depression in the U.S. by abandoning the gold standard. The Great Depression persisted despite all his efforts until the demands of WWII put everyone to work either producing or fighting.

His arguments about how irrational the eurozone has been in not transforming its economic framework to a form more convenient to Greece, which represents only about 2% of the eurozone's GDP, is not compelling. It's like the argument of millions of illegal aliens from failed societies given citizenship who then turn around and agitate for changing the host society so that it better resembles the failed societies. The eurozone's economic framework is hardly "undemocratic" if its most vocal critics number so few among the whole.

Some of the plans Mr. Varoufakis extols have merit, such as his "development bank". But it's Syriza that's been least open to reforming excessively protective labor practices, reforming tax collection and a still-overwhelming public sector. The truth is that they don't really want to change and want the debt to simply go away. The only way it can is by exit, repudiation for a period of debt service and a starting over on a basis that is strategically sustainable.

And Mr. Varoufakis's desire for European "democratization" is merely self-interested rationalization for leveling ALL of Europe to avoid the consequences to peoples of excessive debt voluntarily and knowingly amassed.

Winthrop Staples, is a trusted commenter Newbury Park, CA 6 hours ago

Greece's rich and powerful, like the elites everywhere, "crushed Greece", because as countless man/woman in the street quotes in this paper indicate Greek business owners and professionals not on salary cheat and do not pay owed taxes. This criminal elite role modeling then infects the rest of the society as well. Obviously when not enough money goes into government treasuries this also causes deficits! But the rich and powerful, and their bought and paid for media, skillfully distract us from this reality by arranging the public discussion to just be about cuts to sympathetic government programs, cuts that are most often offered by the same criminal elites as the only solution to reducing deficits. Which means the same dysfunctional status quo is continued and so yet more and more loans and bailouts and debt forgiveness and screaming and yelling about being "victims" of it all go on - probably forever.

bob karp, new Jersey 5 hours ago

You are wrong. The bankers knew well that Greece's loans were unsustainable and yet, they kept lending, knowing that Merkel would cover the losses. However, what happened has happened. many were at fault. Countries cause wars and ethic cleansing and are not punished. Germany is a prime example. Why is Greece being held to a different standard? What happened to solidarity. Merkel is showing more solidarity to the migrants, inviting all of the Middle East to come to Europe. She should fly them directly to Germany. Why let them go through Greece first. Germany has a black eye, after her treatment of Greece and now wants to show her "softer side" Let her suffer the consequences then

Prof.Jai Prakash Sharma, is a trusted commenter Jaipur, India.

For now the Greek bailout deal with all its stringent austerity conditions attached to it might be okay as a one shot emergency move reluctantly accepted by the Greeks, but the lasting solution to the recurring crises in the Eurozone could only be an establishment of pan-European political union to sustain the existing monetary union with a broad common framework of fiscal policies applicable to the entire Union area, as rightly argued by the author.

Michael Boyajian, Fishkill

Thank you for your profound insight into the ham fisted idiocy of the so called troika.

Dr. MB, Irvine, CA

This gentleman seems to be oblivious of fundamental issue -- the duties one has when one talks of his/her rights! Where were the follow-ups on Greece's duties when she took all these debts? Were they (the Greeks) expecting these debts to be forgiven when the income from these "loans/debts" were crucial for the livelihoods of people in member countries of the EU? Simply stated, Greece, like any other party too often only talking of "rights" must realize that rights and duties are two sides of the same coin -- one does --or cannot exist without the other. Sooner Greece begins walking the walk, the better it is!

mr. mxyzptlk, Woolwich South Jersey 8 hours ago

Debt swaps? Selling off the commons to the "private sector" seems to me like a bad idea. Default on the debts to the private banksters, tell them you're writing down your debt at ten cents on the dollar and restart your own currency. Let the people of Greece run their own country and take it back from the banksters.

LG Phillips, California 5 hours ago

Not all of Greece's problems originate from EU membership, but the treatments imposed by the EU to remedy these ills are bizarre, irrational, and dangerous. For ex. while EU administrators insist Greece institute reforms to eliminate corruption and tax avoidance, they imposed govt spending constraints hindering Greek government's ability to implement the government programs/structures necessary to accomplish these reforms. While EU administrators insist Greece "deregulates" its mom and pop bakeries and other such markets, the truly labyrinthine thicket of boards, councils, ministries and agencies dictating Greece's nat'l government and economy is dizzying! There's the EU, the European Commission, the European Council, the European Central Bank, the European Stability Mechanism, & the IMF, which taken together lock-in and maximize inflexibility plus damagingly procyclical response when dealing with economic crises.

And the euro itself is a ridiculously designed and constrained currency. To paraphrase a metaphor given by Warren Mosler, the self-imposed constraints the EU's instituted on its own currency are as nonsensical as putting a big bag over your head to race in the 100m. What US conservatives who think Greece's problems are a harbinger for the US don't get is that Greece status in the EU has reduced to a status akin to PA or OH but WORSE, with no sovereignty of its currency plus (unlike PA or OH) Greece is compelled to fund guarantees of its own private banking system!

[Sep 03, 2015] Kievs week of violence is a crisis of its own making

Both countries are US clients and US has no use anymore for the nazi dogs of war, i.e. they can protest all they want - they are getting nothing and if they become too obstructive, they will start to disappear one by one.
They might be dangerous but they are nothing compared to money men running the show."
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"...Occam's razor: the fascist nationalist nutters orchestrated the whole thing, because they don't want any concessions given to the objects of their hatred."
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Some people think the challenges faced by Ukraine's Poroshenko are now too big to overcome. But those who would like to take his place have not shown themselves capable of doing even half of what he has achieved.
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Wait...Poroshenko has achieved something? He has done nothing but what he was told. He waged war in the east because John Brennan told him to. And then stopped when Merkel told him to. He is a non-entity."
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"...Here is two examples of Porkoshenko being a head of occupational government: (1). He destroyed Ukraine's military industrial complex, for it's ties (very profitable by the way) with Russian military, as any obedient CIA stooge will do. (2). He flipped the country geo-politically, from the state that should have benefit from it's position in the middle of the Europe, in to some sort of final frontier, protecting Europe from the hordes of those crazy Russians, all by himself , only crazy person could have come up with this, or an obedient CIA stooge again."
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"...Let's face it, straight reporting on The Ukraine is hard to come by, given that it's labouring under the 3-line whip of the CIA, MI6 and another global I.S. best not to mention."
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"...When you back hard right elements (to further your personal political goals, when both parties share a common antagonist) who are prone to violence. Don't cry victim when they disagree with your political overtures & decisions. Acting out that disagreement the only manner they know how to which is through violence. I have no sympathy Poroshenko, for the backlash his government is now facing re: his government's constitutional proposals."
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"...I chortled with laughter, almost choked, when he suggested that the Kremlin agents are organising the far right nationalists in Ukraine, deliberately causing an outbreak of peace in order to show up the Kiev parties in a bad light! Believe me, Kiev parties can show themselves up all by themselves!"
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"...I wondered how long it would be for poroshenko to blame putin for the grenade attack. Russia has been a convenient scapegoat for Ukraine to blame for its own failings since the overthrow of yanukovic.
The right wing activists who carried out the grenade attack were at the heart of the maidan protests which also involved violent confrontations with the police. They were also those who tarrgetted ethnic Russians following the overthrow of yanukovic so their actions in opposition to granting extra powers to eastern territories is hardly surprising."
Notable quotes:
"... I talk about the media coverage. At that time "the right wing Party" was just a Putin lie, troubles were cause by Putin, protesters were peaceful and policemen were killed not in terror attacks but were killed democratically. ..."
"... - Ehhh... was it a terrorist attack? Not a peaceful protest democratically fighting bad and corrupt police prohibiting them to freely take the parliament? Because at the Euromaidan 17 policemen were killed and more than 200 injured when peaceful protesters were democratically fighting bad and corrupt police prohibiting them to freely take the parliament... and there were no terror attacks... ..."
"... "Corporatism was one of the ideals of both German Nazism and Italian fascism. They held it as a carrot before the people, as a 'solution' to the class problem. They used it as their 'revolutionary' credentials and in both cases, ditched it completely soon after taking power. The idea of each sector of society being organized to take its place at the high table of the state was always "jam tomorrow." Today's agenda was always "war." ..."
"... It should also be understood that fascist 'corporatism' has nothing to do with the global corporations that are not often bigger than nation states. Modern 'corporatism' only shares a name with the fascist 'ideal.' Not that it any better. ..."
"... Princesss Nuland of the neocons is a nasty murderous piece of work. One to watch. Hopefully somebody will 'putsch' her and her equally loathsome husband. Have they spawned any more little evils? ..."
"... A neo-neocon organised and paid for putsch is hardly "democratic", same as any other US sanctioned regime change i.e Mega Nation Theft. ..."
"... In all matters relating to Eastern Europe the Guardian has pinned its colours to the mast of the "New East Network." Which is essentially controlled by a Mr George Soros, Radio "Free Europe" and the National Endowment for Democracy." All mouthpieces of the state department. Its safest to believe the opposite of everything they tell us. ..."
"... It is very hard to enter EU from the East without visa (and rules for visa application were hardened for Ukrainians). It is very hard to get job without working permit, and for money you need to register. Notice, that all these points are not present in case of refugees traveling to Russia/Belarus. ..."
"... Fast forward to the neo-neocon putsch and princess Nuland boasting of the death and destruction that all those humanitarian $5 billion had purchased as she dispensed biscuits in Maidan, just prior to both sides being shot up by putschist snipers (likely from outside and/or Svoboda, or the Social Nationalists (don't say Nazis don't have a sense of humour!). ..."
"... Its not really a zero-sum game. Russia always maintained that the coup was engineered by the West by encouraging right wing elements and this is just one of a number of incidents that prove that their view was correct. This makes our life difficult in the West because we only think in polar terms -- if Russia is right then they 'win'. Since we cannot allow any situation where Russia 'wins' we go through all sorts of mental gymnastics to try to prove black is really white. It would be better to ignore Russia's comments and commentaries and just look dispassionately at who the actors are and what they're up to. The answers are staring us in the face. ..."
"... February 24, 2014, right extremist forces (Banderists, Right Sector and neo-Nazis Svoboda) implemented a coup during the Maiden. At the time the US government warned the Ukrainian authorities against using force against these 'pro-democracy protestors' even if, according to the pictures we saw, some of them were neo-Nazis who were throwing Molotov cocktails and other things at the police and smashing up statues and setting fire to buildings. ..."
"... These militias became the spearhead of Ukrainian forces in the East and on them falls much of the war effort in the Civil War. But these militias can not yet be lifted, because otherwise the war in the East could not continue. ..."
"... History always repeats itself. Use low ignorant, racist and violent manpower to take power by force but also to maintain it, but then to dump it as soon as possible because they rare considered, rightly, unpresentable or otherwise dangerous even for those who have instigated, financed and exploited them. Of course, sometimes such situations go out of hand, see the Afghan Mujahidin or ISIS. ..."
"... Now Poroshenko and Yatsenyuk are receiving their own coin back. They supported and reinforced those they now pretend to discover to be thugs. The real puppets are and remain in power while their useful barbarians have become bothersome: infamous, resistant to the point that one can wonder if the latest riot would not be a false flag from Yats and Poro who used the skills of these criminal thugs. Because the latter are not mere free electrons who just decided to meet that day. There is money, people that structure this, a hierarchy, an efficient network and money at will, in which Russia has no involvement. ..."
"... The far right have done all the dirty work during the coup and still doing it on the frontline and have not got enough in return, in their view. Croatia had a similar problem with their extremist veterans who were used by the Croatian right wing HDZ to destabilize social-democrat government. ..."
"... Both countries are US clients and US has no use anymore for the nazi dogs of war, i.e. they can protest all they want - they are getting nothing and if they become too obstructive, they will start to disappear one by one. ..."
"... Occam's razor: the fascist nationalist nutters orchestrated the whole thing, because they don't want any concessions given to the objects of their hatred. ..."
"... The director of Centre of Eurasian researches Vladimir Kornilov noted: "Everybody perfectly understands where the HR department of Ukrainian policy is. It is in the American Embassy". ..."
"... Let's face it, straight reporting on The Ukraine is hard to come by, given that it's labouring under the 3-line whip of the CIA, MI6 and another global I.S. best not to mention. ..."
"... Disgusting man hailing from a disgusting class of politician/businessmen trained by the US to bring death and chaos to any part of the globe that the powers behind the US Government see fit. Prepare for our own Maidan should this class of parasite-sans-frontieres, (read Mikheil Saakashvili), succeed in bringing The Ukraine under the NATO umbrella. ..."
"... I chortled with laughter, almost choked, when he suggested that the Kremlin agents are organising the far right nationalists in Ukraine, deliberately causing an outbreak of peace in order to show up the Kiev parties in a bad light! Believe me, Kiev parties can show themselves up all by themselves! ..."
"... idan 2014 edition? He doesn't ask who armed them in the first place. The author is giving a good impression of being one very confused bloke. ..."
Sep 03, 2015 | The Guardian

Another version has it that the explosion outside parliament was orchestrated by the president's administration or the Ukrainian special services in order to discredit Svoboda and other radical nationalists and to "tighten the screws" on the political life of the country thus justifying control over opposition forces.

This version hardly stands up to criticism. The demonstration was led by MPs who are members of Svoboda but got into parliament as independent candidates. In the 2014 elections Svoboda did not win the 5% of the vote necessary to enter parliament. Four months earlier, in the presidential election, the party's leader, Oleg Tyagnibok, won only a little over 1% of the vote. This week he was photographed, together with other Svoboda activists, trying to drag a soldier out of the human chain formed around parliament into the crowd of protesters. It was a moment very reminiscent of the Maidan days, only that then Svoboda members and their leader were inside parliament. Since then the party has found itself increasingly marginalised.

However, there were other groups represented in the demonstration , among them two that deserve special attention: Oleg Lyashko's radical party and Igor Kolomoisky's Ukrop party. T-shirts with the latter party's emblem were given out free at the demonstration, and those willing to take part were paid to protest. Kolomoisky is considered to be an enemy of President Poroshenko since he was sacked from his position as governor of the Dnipropetrovsk region. Kolomoisky's man in Odessa, Igor Palitsa, also lost his job as governor and was replaced by the former president of Georgia, Mikheil Saakashvili.

Immediately after the blast, Lyashko, who is a radical populist with little in common with the radical nationalists, announced the establishment of a campaign to save the nation. Only three or four hours after the explosion, his party had already registered a bill that would block changes to the constitution at times when the country is under military attack. Lyashko came second in the presidential elections, and over the last year his Radical party has gone up in the ratings. It is interesting that articles in the press regularly claim to have evidence that both the Svoboda party and the Radical party have been financed by the same oligarchs, the above mentioned Kolomoisky, Sergey Levochkin – who was head of the presidential administration under Yanukovich and who fled to Moscow after the Maidan – and Dmitry Firtash, who is now being investigated on corruption charges in Austria.

Still, the violence could have a far more banal explanation. To begin with, volunteers who went off to fight in the Donbass for the sake of maintaining Ukraine's unity were radicals from militant groups such as the Right Sector, which sprang up during the Maidan. There were also volunteers who had no affiliation to any party who went to fight. When the Ukrainian army took over the main role in the fighting, many of the volunteers returned home, taking weapons with them.

nnedjo 3 Sep 2015 16:18

Well, the purpose of the constitutional changes in Ukraine should be that rebels in the southeast stop fighting and accept Ukraine as his country, and not Ukrainian nationalists to stop throwing grenades at the police in Kiev. However, these laws passed by the Ukrainian parliament, can contribute very little that the main objective. Their main goal is just to create the illusion that Ukraine really is trying to comply with the requirement of Minsk 2 agreement, and thus to meet the expectations of their Western friends, which means to prevent lifting of sanctions against Russia. And, on the other hand, these laws need to be completely contrary to the expectations of the rebel peoples in Donbas, or in other words to achieve the same thing that the Ukrainian government unsuccessfully tried to achieve with weapons.

It is particularly interesting that the President of Ukraine Poroshenko himself makes no secret at all that it is true what I've previously written, as can be understood, among other things, also from those of his statements:

According to the president, "the threat of break-up of the international pro-Ukrainian coalition" would have increased if the Verkhovna Rada had not voted in favor of decentralization amendments to the constitution on Monday.

It could also lead to the lifting of sanctions, which "are very painfully hitting the aggressor," he said, apparently, referring to Russia, which Kiev blames for sending troops to war-torn eastern Ukraine....

...But what they [Donetsk and Lugansk Regions] have got instead is a lean line about the features of local self-governance," Poroskenko stressed.
So, even though the law that caused the protests in front of parliament has the name of "decentralization", in fact it needs to further strengthen the competence of the central government. Based on this law, the Presidency received the right to appoint a prefect, who with his hand has the discretionary right to dismiss officials elected at the local elections in certain regions. And if they do not like it, they can appeal to the constitutional court in Kiev, where were apparently is known in advance what may be the decision of the constitutional court.

On the other hand, the law on the special status of Donetsk and Lugansk, which was passed earlier, is practically suspended at this point by the recent decision of the President Poroshenko.

In this respect, it is necessary to emphasize two things.

Although according to the Minsk 2 arrangement, the special status of the Donbas region should have been incorporated as an integral and permanent part of the Ukrainian Constitution, the law, which is now suspended, does not meet any of these two demands.

This law therefore is attached only as an annex to the Ukrainian constitution, and its validity is limited to just three years. And, according to the idea of Ukrainian legislators, the law can come into force only after the local elections in Donbass which would be held under the previous Ukrainian legislation, and when Ukrainian forces take control over the whole territory of Ukraine, including its entire border with Russia.

Until then, they will be consider that Donbas region is temporarily occupied part of Ukrainian territory, and officials of the People's Republic of Lugansk and Donetsk People's Republic will be considered as terrorists. And since with the terrorists must not be negotiations, leaders of the LNR and DNR were completely excluded so far from discussions about the law on the special status, which is also contrary to the Minsk 2 agreement, given that it explicitly requires just that.
All in all, they are asking the pro-Russian rebels that lay down their arms voluntarily, without getting anything in return. Or more accurately, to get just a little bit of what they are looking for and only for a period of three years. So, congratulations on wishful thinking, but the question is whether it is achievable at all.

LimaCPapa -> ridibundus 3 Sep 2015 15:48

I first learned about this when a new Ukrainian student introduced himself, and we asked why the name he gave was not the name on his papers. He explained (with clear annoyance) that he had to use a Ukrainian name. He had to keep it while he was here as well, because it was the name in his passport. Now he's free of all that and uses his Russian name. Needless to say, he did not return to Ukraine. Another Ukrainian has since confirmed that the same thing was true for her passport. In both cases, issued in the early 2000s. So who's lying then?

beakybloom -> gablody 3 Sep 2015 13:34

What's inherited??.. The bankrupt economy, loss of Crimea, loss of Donbass, 6000 dead, civil war, downing of Malaysian airliner with 300 souls on board, Odessa massacre, murders of political opponents, the nazi parliament, stupid laws glorifying Ukraine's nazi past, no visa-free access to EU, Nazis throwing grenades at the police???..

Nothing here is inherited except the absence of visa-free access to EU

a "show on the road" ? On IMF funny money? For how long? It's a shitshow, and unsustainable to boot.


nnedjo -> Chirographer 3 Sep 2015 13:28

The putinposters are still reeling with the news that the Ukrainian government is fighting "Nazis" in Kiev,...

It will be possible to say just when the news arrives that the organizers of these demonstrations were sentenced to a few tens of years in prison, and that guy who threw this grenade from which the Guardsmen killed, was sentenced to life imprisonment.

What is quite unbelievable judging by the past behavior of government from Kiev.

Chillskier -> jezzam 3 Sep 2015 10:43

Georgia tried:
http://agenda.ge/news/26188/eng
Apparently Interpol red notices cannot be issued against US stooges.

Chillskier -> jezzam 3 Sep 2015 10:20

The piece of shit she CHOSE to work with.
Jewish neo-con skunk and neo-Nazi thug seems like a match made in heaven.

jezzam -> Chillskier 3 Sep 2015 10:19

Go ahead then. I can't wait. Neither can Poroshenko. His best option is passive resistance when Putin launches his next land grab. Russia will be forced to give it back eventually when they are totally bankrupt

Bosula -> RVictor 3 Sep 2015 08:55

The congregation is mostly made up of ethnic Ukrainians, members of a community that numbers hundreds of thousands and has been growing rapidly since the start of the conflict in eastern Ukraine.


This is what the Guardian reported on 13 May 2015 - this was JUST for Poland:

"Last year Poland issued 331,000 permits for short-term work to Ukrainians, up 50% on 2013, says Marta Jaroszewicz, a migration expert at the Centre For Eastern Studies (OSW), an independent Warsaw thinktank funded by the Polish government.

She estimates that there are now 300,000-400,000 Ukrainians in Poland, as many as twice the officially recognised number. In January and February, the number of residence applications by Ukrainians in the Mazovian voivodeship – the province which includes Warsaw – was up 180% on the same months of 2014."

There are other articles for other neighbouring countries bordering Ukraine, but the Guardian is a pretty authoritative source.

Since this story the number crossing the border to leave Ukraine has increased significantly.


FlappyCat 3 Sep 2015 08:20

Poroshenko to Transnistria..
Yats to Macedonia and
Saakishwilly to Tajikistan.


oleteo -> jezzam 3 Sep 2015 08:12

I read the Gorby's interview where he said 'Yes' about the NATO promises.But he's a fool nevertherless to beleive the promises,written or verbal from his enemy.


elias_ -> jezzam 3 Sep 2015 08:07

>>He's trying to provoke Putin.

Hmm in that case you have proved Poroshenko is a fu##ing idiot. Only an idiot would set out to provoke the leader of a neighbouring country into invading. Is that what you lot voted him in for? No, it isn't. He should be making peace and securing the future for his people. Face it, your leader is taking orders from Pyatt and you know it.

BigBanana 3 Sep 2015 07:50

"Kolomoisky's man in Odessa, Igor Palitsa, also lost his job as governor and was replaced by the former president of Georgia, Mikheil Saakashvili"

Jeez, Saakashvili is a stupid appointment for a very long list of reasons. He's the idiot who got Georgia dismembered after misjudging the situation terribly.

It's as if Poroshenko is deliberately trying to fuck things up.

HuffingHume -> normankirk 3 Sep 2015 07:41

All of the ex-Soviet Union, with the exception of the Baltic states, are horribly corrupt dysfunctional kleptocracies run by Soviet era bigwigs who carved up their state's assets up for themelves, leaving most of their fellow countrymen in poverty. This is the reason why many Ukrianians want to be more 'European'; because they want to be more like Poland and the Baltic States, rather than in the Russian orbit, in which every state has barely made it out of the 80's.


Dimmus -> Alex Hughes 3 Sep 2015 07:15

"It was the right wing Svoboda Party that started the trouble, definitely not a 'peaceful protest' as you make out. "

I talk about the media coverage. At that time "the right wing Party" was just a Putin lie, troubles were cause by Putin, protesters were peaceful and policemen were killed not in terror attacks but were killed democratically.

RVictor -> jezzam 3 Sep 2015 07:14

Putin has a record of false flag operations, starting with the Moscow apartment block bombing performed by the FSB when he was head and which brought him to power.

And the proof is ... o, yes, - something written by oligarch in exile! Btw., here is a short list of admitted FF operations be US and it's vassals. Remember "Iraq WMD"?

oleteo -> jezzam 3 Sep 2015 07:10

Why being invaded by Putin, Ukraine is trading a discount for gas, [and asks for ] deferral of loan?

irishinrussia -> Alex Hughes 3 Sep 2015 07:03

It's irony. He is implying that when protesters the west likes kill policemen then they at peaceful demonstrators, perhaps defending themselves against brutal security forces, at worst any violence is the action of a few hotheads or extremists among overwhelmingly peaceful, democratic victims of the state. However, when the very same protesters attack our guys (Poroshenko), they are radicals, extremists and terrorists, perhaps abetted by shadowy enemies of freedom and democracy (FSB).

PanoptikonicallyKool -> Briar 3 Sep 2015 06:15

Shhh!!!! You are not supposed to say things like that! 'US backed coup'? That is not part of the story. And it's ancient history history, no connection to current events. In fact it didn't even happen, according to repectable news sites. Or they don't mention it, so it must not have happended . The US, as the article states, or rather doesn't state, or rather doesn't even mention, has nothing to do with political events inside Ukraine, that's why we never read anything about it. Did Russia do it or not do it? That's the only serious question for anything that happens in Ukraine.

US involvement in Urkaine? Harrruuumph! Conspiracy theory! And don't bring it up again!

Dimmus 3 Sep 2015 06:15

"But the media has been busy throwing up theories about who has most to benefit from this terrorist attack. "

- Ehhh... was it a terrorist attack? Not a peaceful protest democratically fighting bad and corrupt police prohibiting them to freely take the parliament? Because at the Euromaidan 17 policemen were killed and more than 200 injured when peaceful protesters were democratically fighting bad and corrupt police prohibiting them to freely take the parliament... and there were no terror attacks...


ositonegro -> BastaYa72 3 Sep 2015 06:11

"Corporatism was one of the ideals of both German Nazism and Italian fascism. They held it as a carrot before the people, as a 'solution' to the class problem. They used it as their 'revolutionary' credentials and in both cases, ditched it completely soon after taking power. The idea of each sector of society being organized to take its place at the high table of the state was always "jam tomorrow." Today's agenda was always "war."

It should also be understood that fascist 'corporatism' has nothing to do with the global corporations that are not often bigger than nation states. Modern 'corporatism' only shares a name with the fascist 'ideal.' Not that it any better.

RVictor -> oleteo 3 Sep 2015 06:01

Poroshenko Blames Russia For Police Deaths

paulrou -> kennyboy 3 Sep 2015 05:21

How can anyone not take the US state department's line. It is the truth. Ergo, everyone else is paid by the Russians.

Калинин Юрий -> elias_ 3 Sep 2015 04:59

He does not answer the questions, he blames Putin in all the world's sins and universe disasters. Global warming - Putin, extreme heat in the EU - Putin, police conflicts in the USA - Putin. Ask him, wh has scratched a car by a shopping mall last month - Putin!

RVictor -> jezzam 3 Sep 2015 04:53

The West has not broken international law since the Iraq invasion.

Support and organization of governments overthrow all around the world? War in Libya? Killing with drones on foreigns territories? Bombing of Syria territory?

Theo Humbug -> normankirk 3 Sep 2015 04:52

Princesss Nuland of the neocons is a nasty murderous piece of work. One to watch. Hopefully somebody will 'putsch' her and her equally loathsome husband. Have they spawned any more little evils?

RVictor -> jezzam 3 Sep 2015 04:49

Why does Georgia not get Interpol to issue an arrest warrant for Saakashvili? Ukraine would have to comply. The answer is obvious. They would not get one because the charges against Saakashvili are politically motivated, like most of the corruption charges in Russia.

Right - like any West institution Interpol is so-o-o independent, exactly like International Court!

Theo Humbug -> jezzam 3 Sep 2015 04:49

I have come to realise that Jizzem is just a Turing Bot.

Theo Humbug -> jezzam 3 Sep 2015 04:48

HAHAHAHAHA... Are you serious? Which planet are you on? Do you think people forget that quickly? A neo-neocon organised and paid for putsch is hardly "democratic", same as any other US sanctioned regime change i.e Mega Nation Theft.

jonsid -> Mark Elliott 3 Sep 2015 04:46

In all matters relating to Eastern Europe the Guardian has pinned its colours to the mast of the "New East Network." Which is essentially controlled by a Mr George Soros, Radio "Free Europe" and the National Endowment for Democracy." All mouthpieces of the state department. Its safest to believe the opposite of everything they tell us.

Theo Humbug -> Chirographer 3 Sep 2015 04:41

You clearly have a very bad memory. The Russian offer of cancelling debt and very reasonable prices for fuel was very attractive to the ELECTED government of Victor Yanukovych and far far better than the EU offer, which was why they were all for accepting the Russian offer and aligning more with Moscow..

But the USA can't have any country deciding it's own fate if it is not in accord with the Lords of this Universe.

The neocon organised and paid for putsch, Maidan Shootings, Odessa burnings, put a stop to any agreement beneficial to the Ukrainians and opened the way for the IMF to come in and steal the wealth of yet another country.

There is no excuse for anybody not to know these recorded and verifiable FACTS.

elias_ -> jezzam 3 Sep 2015 04:36

You are fixated on Putin - you must be a not so secret admirer. Why don't you answer Tomov's question. What has Poroshenko achieved since becoming President?

RVictor -> careforukraine 3 Sep 2015 04:34

It is very hard to enter EU from the East without visa (and rules for visa application were hardened for Ukrainians). It is very hard to get job without working permit, and for money you need to register. Notice, that all these points are not present in case of refugees traveling to Russia/Belarus.

So I show you official numbers of registered refugees in EU - and amount of unregistered cannot be high due to immigration laws and functioning police system.

On over side, number of 400000 is taken from nowhere - go on and proof it.

Salut_Salut -> jezzam 3 Sep 2015 04:32

If you are such a hard-core proponent of sanctions policy, then may be you can name the beneficiaries of it in EU? Farmers? Businesses? Common people? Methinks - only politicians following in the wake of Uncle Sam's guidelines. The President of Russia is no way a role model or a paragon country leader, but seeing him behind every corner is nothing but a bout of anti-Russian paranoia. People of that long-suffering country aren't actually represented by him only.

Theo Humbug 3 Sep 2015 04:29

How far back does history go?

Lat week, last month, Maidan Square, the fall of the Soviet Union?

If taken that far back, then people will surely remember Ronnie Raygun's promises to Gorbachev that no NATO forces would encroach on former Soviet territory. Ehh?? What??

Fast forward to the neo-neocon putsch and princess Nuland boasting of the death and destruction that all those humanitarian $5 billion had purchased as she dispensed biscuits in Maidan, just prior to both sides being shot up by putschist snipers (likely from outside and/or Svoboda, or the Social Nationalists (don't say Nazis don't have a sense of humour!).

So called separatists voted to stay with Russia, with whom they identified, despite the lies and propaganda from the US/West/Nato including premature accusations of responsibility fro the shooting down of MH17 .. funny how 1) the US never released it's data (another Pentagon "plane"?) 2) that has all gone very quiet... Wonder what they found?

Perhaps the putschist regime and/or their neo-neocon pay/puppet-meisters have woken up to the very real danger of putting nazties withing 'Cooee' of nuclear weapons?

Of course, one does not need to be a nazti to call for nuclear mass murder. The blond plaited heroine of the right, the ex jailbird, ex Prime Minister (for ganesh sake!!) Tymoshenko called for the nuking of Donbass, if I remember correctly.

Russian now has the major Western forces and neonazis on their border. President Putin has to deal with these murderers and the great unwashed, living in their encapsulating bubbles of Newspeak and reality cooking shows, are told by the Mudorc press and other propagandists that it is Russia that is pure evil.

I wish there were a god.

Tony Cocks -> danhudders 3 Sep 2015 03:59

" The airliner was almost certainly downed by a Russian crew "

But of course you have not one shred of evidence to support your statement in which case would you agree it is valueless and was a waste of your time posting it in the first place.

RVictor -> careforukraine 3 Sep 2015 03:49

I think he said refugees crossed the border ........i am not sure that all refugees fill out the application form?

400000 ? Look on the current 100000's refugees wave from the Asia/Africa to get an expression how it looks like. Or on the last year summer wave of Ukrainian refugees in Russia - with large refugee camps for temporary placements etc. You cannot get 400000 refugees to go "unseen" - especially in case of relatively good-maintained land border.

martinusher 3 Sep 2015 03:09

Its not really a zero-sum game. Russia always maintained that the coup was engineered by the West by encouraging right wing elements and this is just one of a number of incidents that prove that their view was correct. This makes our life difficult in the West because we only think in polar terms -- if Russia is right then they 'win'. Since we cannot allow any situation where Russia 'wins' we go through all sorts of mental gymnastics to try to prove black is really white. It would be better to ignore Russia's comments and commentaries and just look dispassionately at who the actors are and what they're up to. The answers are staring us in the face.

(If you need any indication that something's not quite right in Ukraine then you only have to look to the appointment of Saakashvili as the governor of Odessa last summer. He's best known for his role as a Georgian politician, someone who, among other things, provoked a disastrous confrontation with Russia.)

SHappens 3 Sep 2015 03:07

To begin with, volunteers who went off to fight in the Donbass for the sake of maintaining Ukraine's unity were radicals from militant groups such as the Right Sector, which sprang up during the Maidan.

February 24, 2014, right extremist forces (Banderists, Right Sector and neo-Nazis Svoboda) implemented a coup during the Maiden. At the time the US government warned the Ukrainian authorities against using force against these 'pro-democracy protestors' even if, according to the pictures we saw, some of them were neo-Nazis who were throwing Molotov cocktails and other things at the police and smashing up statues and setting fire to buildings.

These forces were subsequently beaten in the elections, thus rejected by the Ukrainian people. However the first act of Poroshenko was to legitimate these irregular and illegal militias which, absent in Parliament, have received the far more important power of arms, courtesy of the new mixed Ukrainian-American government. Basically the only difference between the parliamentary majority and the far-right groups is that the first take orders from the West, the latter don't.

These militias became the spearhead of Ukrainian forces in the East and on them falls much of the war effort in the Civil War. But these militias can not yet be lifted, because otherwise the war in the East could not continue.

History always repeats itself. Use low ignorant, racist and violent manpower to take power by force but also to maintain it, but then to dump it as soon as possible because they rare considered, rightly, unpresentable or otherwise dangerous even for those who have instigated, financed and exploited them. Of course, sometimes such situations go out of hand, see the Afghan Mujahidin or ISIS.

Now Poroshenko and Yatsenyuk are receiving their own coin back. They supported and reinforced those they now pretend to discover to be thugs. The real puppets are and remain in power while their useful barbarians have become bothersome: infamous, resistant to the point that one can wonder if the latest riot would not be a false flag from Yats and Poro who used the skills of these criminal thugs. Because the latter are not mere free electrons who just decided to meet that day. There is money, people that structure this, a hierarchy, an efficient network and money at will, in which Russia has no involvement.

Still, Poroshenko and Yatsenuk want more war and call for lethal arms supply. All this while the rating of Ukrainian is now CC with negative outlook.

RVictor -> Bosula 3 Sep 2015 03:02

400,000 refugees crossed the borders from Ukraine into the EU over the past year.

You are lying (surprise, surprise!):

"There were 4,603 applications for international protection in Germany, 3,600 in Poland, 2,956 in Italy, 1,962 in Sweden, 1,763 in France, 200 in Moldova, 60 in Romania, 60 in Hungary and 20 in Slovakia," the UNHCR findings highlighted.

vr13vr 3 Sep 2015 02:16

"Russian TV focused on the events outside the Ukrainian parliament to prove to viewers that chaos reigns in Ukraine. "

And doesn't chaos indeed reign in Ukraine? I thought that was beyond obvious and doesn't need any additional proof.

vr13vr 3 Sep 2015 02:13

How about the more obvious explanation that Maidan, so much encouraged and celebrated by the West, had taught Ukrainians that it is Ok to attack the police, try to pull away their shields (see the photo above), through molotov cocktail at them (there was a picture on Monday) and grenades in order to pass certain laws in their Rada.

vr13vr 3 Sep 2015 02:11

How exactly Russia is "profiting" from this? is this author just throwing the sentences around or is he required to fulfill some anti-Russia quota in his article?

ArtofLies -> Jonathan Stromberg 3 Sep 2015 02:09

There are undoubtedly going to be further problems with these nationalists, oh come on, we can call the neo-nazi's or neo-fascists here, just because the journalists above the line cant be seen to be propagandising for fascists does not mean that we have to play those semantic games.

the fact is this is the second time these fascists have attacked the police, this time with grenades, the last time it was molotov cocktails, but the media wont criticise them because there is money to be made in the ukraine, not everything is privatised yet and i hear there are still dreams of fracking ukraine to prosperity.

nishville -> Jonathan Stromberg 3 Sep 2015 01:43

The far right have done all the dirty work during the coup and still doing it on the frontline and have not got enough in return, in their view. Croatia had a similar problem with their extremist veterans who were used by the Croatian right wing HDZ to destabilize social-democrat government.

Both countries are US clients and US has no use anymore for the nazi dogs of war, i.e. they can protest all they want - they are getting nothing and if they become too obstructive, they will start to disappear one by one.

They might be dangerous but they are nothing compared to money men running the show.

drrust 3 Sep 2015 01:38

Again you are instigating that the Minsk agreements were reached by western or international powers in general, implying that angloamerica was part of this. The agreement was a sole and very sucsessful initiative of Mrs Merkel, who took a reluctant Holland with her who solely sensed a chance to be viewed as a statesman. The UK had already transports of war material underway.

elias_ -> Bosula 3 Sep 2015 01:14

There's million in Russia although many of them may be hiding to avoid military service. Look on the bright side, there's another 40 million of them and I bet most will want to move into the land of milk and honey which is Europe.

MaoChengJi 2 Sep 2015 23:31

"But despite profiting from it, Russia is very unlikely to have perpetrated it"

Oh no, say it ain't so! How can any trouble in this world be caused by something that is not The Dark Lord Putin?

And how is Russia 'profiting' from this, I'd like to know? Isn's this rather a case of the western Russophobe industry suffering a loss?

Well, for sure the Russophobe industry suffering a loss is an undeniable victory for all humanity, but putting it as 'Russia profiting'?.. Oh well, russophobes are weird creatures, I've noticed it a long time ago.

retarius 2 Sep 2015 22:47

Occam's razor: the fascist nationalist nutters orchestrated the whole thing, because they don't want any concessions given to the objects of their hatred.

eric lund 2 Sep 2015 20:43

How the USA rule sway the destinies of Ukraine flooding it with blood

One can get an impression that authorities of Ukraine, totally dependent on State Department of USA, are doing anything – searching for spies, begging for money, getting weapons from USA and Europe, suppressing dissidence, self-advertising and desperate propaganda, but not taking the steps to peaceful regulation of conflict in South-East of the country and its economic rise.

According to the last research of Kiev international institute of sociology the rating of president Petr Poroshenko has fallen three times, down to 13,6%, other candidates don't even get 5%. When authorities are so unpopular, it is only left for them to turn the screws and continue witch hunting at full throttle.

The director of Centre of Eurasian researches Vladimir Kornilov noted: "Everybody perfectly understands where the HR department of Ukrainian policy is. It is in the American Embassy".

In order to strengthen his worthless power Poroshenko fired seemingly over powerful chief of Service of Safety Valentin Nalivaychenko, who had been transmitting information which often put Poroshenko himself in not very bright light, to representatives of USA. And new chief of Service of Safety Vasiliy Gritsak, who is very close to Poroshenko and was the head of his own service of safety, at one dash arrested 40 colonels and generals allegedly for dissidence in his department.
Danger is getting closer for Home Affairs Minister Arsen Avakov. The chief military prosecutor Of Ukraine Anatoliy Matios claimed that members of criminal organization 'Tornado', made on the base of militia and appointed by Avakov from former criminals, had organized secret place in basement floor of school to torture illegally captured people. The Ukrainian patriarch Filareth presented a medal for sacrificing and love for Ukraine, so to say for perverted sadism while torments, which are unofficially legalized by Ukrainian authorities.

At the same time the level of aggression of Ukrainian militaries is only picking up speed. Thus, the Ambassador of Ukraine in USA Valeriy Chalykh without any scruples stated: We are getting weapons, including lethal, and nobody can prohibit it to independent Ukraine. The other thing is that it is not common to disclose these countries, but they are more than 10, only from Europe. We have different level of technical and military cooperation, and at this stage it is only going further.

Chillskier -> Paul Moore 2 Sep 2015 20:42

Here is two examples of Porkoshenko being a head of occupational government:

  1. He destroyed Ukraine's military industrial complex, for it's ties (very profitable by the way) with Russian military, as any obedient CIA stooge will do.
  2. He flipped the country geo-politically, from the state that should have benefit from it's position in the middle of the Europe, in to some sort of final frontier, protecting Europe from the hordes of those crazy Russians, all by himself , only crazy person could have come up with this, or an obedient CIA stooge again.

So it is what Ukraine g-ment does, not what putin tells.


EugeneGur -> Chirographer 2 Sep 2015 20:35

everything would have been wonderful if Ukraine had not decided to finally reject the brotherly embrace of Putin's Russia

Not everything, because by that time Ukrainian authorities have already ruined a lot. However, there is little doubt that Ukraine would've been a hell of a lot better off if it hadn't followed the path of the coup and indulged in anti-Russian hysteria. Has your mother ever told you that quarreling with your neighbors is never a good idea?

Looking at the situation objectively, it is a good thing that the Kiev government is trying to follow the Minsk plan.

Objectively? You? It would be a good thing if it were but it doesn't. These constitutional changes have nothing to do with the requirements for the regional autonomy set out in Minsk II. Nor have they been agreed to by the Donbass representatives, which makes the whole thing pointless. But even these miserable changes had to be pushed through by Nuland, because Rada initially refused to approved them. There are 13 points in Minsk II and so far Kiev fulfilled none of them.

Jeff1000 2 Sep 2015 20:30

Some people think the challenges faced by Ukraine's Poroshenko are now too big to overcome. But those who would like to take his place have not shown themselves capable of doing even half of what he has achieved.

Wait...Poroshenko has achieved something? He has done nothing but what he was told.

He waged war in the east because John Brennan told him to. And then stopped when Merkel told him to. He is a non-entity.

Julian1972 -> truk10 2 Sep 2015 19:54

I know! I know!

Still, when the US funds its various Intelligence Agencies and Covert Overseas Operations Organizations to levels beyond that which most of the rest of the world combined spend on their actual militaries, it's hard not see why they end up being suspected of having sticky fingers in various pies.

Poor, innocent US...after all, all that money's just being spent on ergonomic seating and biodegradable paperclips, right? Hahahaha!

nnedjo 2 Sep 2015 19:51

There is one more possible theory, which seems that the author has failed to notice.
Thus, due to the fact that the proposed legislation is far from what was envisaged by Minsk 2 agreement, and in particular is far from what would satisfy the pro-Russian rebels, the following question arises:
Does this event may have been aimed to strengthen the claim that this bill is the most that Ukraine can offer to the pro-Russian rebels, because, "for God's sake, even for this Ukrainians began to kill each other in the middle of Kiev"?


TomFullery -> Chillskier 2 Sep 2015 19:47

You are right about Ukraine's economy. I visit fairly often and each time I get more Hryvnia for my Euros. Plus the restaurants are empty so you are guaranteed good service from serving staff desperate for a tip to supplement their meagre wages (so much for joining the US "democratic" system!).

Strange that the Nazi putsch in Kiev has benefited me (who wouldn't piss on them if they were burning) rather more than 99% of Ukrainians.

Although I do notice that the Kiev Nazis seem to have taken one step in the direction of moderation - the shrine to the Nazi Ukrainian nationalist Stepan Bandera which was there erected about the time of the putsch has now disappeared (most likely moved to a less conspicuous location).

Julian1972 -> desnol 2 Sep 2015 19:44

Dead right.

In penning the written equivalent of 'The Picture That Fooled the World':

http://www.srpska-mreza.com/guest/LM/lm-f97/LM97_Bosnia.html

maybe, at least, his 'confusion' is a symptom of his conscience trying to find it's voice. Hehehe, maybe there's hope for him yet?

Let's face it, straight reporting on The Ukraine is hard to come by, given that it's labouring under the 3-line whip of the CIA, MI6 and another global I.S. best not to mention.

NorthOfTheM25 2 Sep 2015 19:42

The Ukrainian regime in as much as they try so hard to have a resemblance of 'western values' (whatever that means) & to avoid behaving like the powers that be at the Kremlin. At the end of the day have the same approach in how they apportion blame & deflect attention from their obvious failings.

When you back hard right elements (to further your personal political goals, when both parties share a common antagonist) who are prone to violence. Don't cry victim when they disagree with your political overtures & decisions. Acting out that disagreement the only manner they know how to which is through violence.

I have no sympathy Poroshenko, for the backlash his government is now facing re: his government's constitutional proposals.

TomFullery -> jezzam 2 Sep 2015 19:35

His Ukraine policy has two main prongs.

1. Make Putin realise that military aggression against his neighbours carries too high an economic penalty to be worthwhile.

Nothing got military until the US-instigated Nazi putsch in Kiev. Strategic imperatives trump short term economic considerations and Russia has reacted skilfully to the attack by the US using Ukraine as a proxy (much to Ukraine's detriment)

2. Support Ukraine economically until it becomes a prosperous liberal democracy, like the rest of Europe (Russia excepted of course).

Ukraine will be asset-stripped by US corporations. Ukraine will not be a prosperous, liberal democracy in your lifetime and neither will the US.

His policy seems to be working very well.

Oh dear!

Chillskier -> normankirk 2 Sep 2015 19:33

Link to the story that will challenge the spotless mind of jezzam:
http://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrichten.de/2015/08/28/ukrainischer-oligarch-bereichert-sich-an-iwf-krediten/

Oligarchs in Ukraine are doing extremely well, obviously not a concern for a coup sponsors.

normankirk -> jezzam 2 Sep 2015 19:33

Want an example of a twist?

Kerry warning Poroshenko against resuming hostilities, retaking territory in breach of the Minsk agreement, then less than a week later Nuland rushing to Kiev to egg Poroshenko on, thoroughly endorsing his plans

Hanwell123 -> Knapping 2 Sep 2015 19:28

He was the idiot who jumped the gun in the CIA plan to create a war in 2008. He went before the whistle shelling an unprotected and unwarned city hours before he was supposed to. One of Asias prize fools. So Poroshenko's made him - a non Ukrainian - Governor of Odessa. Great stuff Poro!

TomFullery -> jezzam 2 Sep 2015 19:27

Despite Yanukovich's corruption he did a decent job of steering Ukraine down the middle path between Russia and the US/EU and he was nobody's proxy. As for his corruption he was a mere pickpocket compared to the like of Timoshenko who is not on any Ukrainian, EU or US corruption list!

This wasn't good enough for the neocons in Washington who wanted the whole country - hence their instigation of the Nazi putsch in Kiev. It's gone downhill all the way for the Ukrainian people since then considering they have lost a sizeable chunk of territory and now likely having to move to some sort of federal system.

On top of those miseries they now have Finance and Economics ministers from Lithuania and Poland parachuted in by the US and given Ukrainian citizenship on the day of their inauguration to their respective posts. They also have US stooge and ex-Georgian president Sakaashvili and fugitive from Georgian justice parachuted in as governor of Odessa. Let's not forget Joe Biden's son who was appointed to the board of directors of one of Ukraine's biggest energy companies very shortly after the Nazi putsch.

At least the east of the country is out of the hands of US corporate predators but it's a certainty that agreements will be signed (if not already) to turn massive tracts of Ukrainian farmland in the west of that country to US GM giants. I wonder how those US-loving west Ukrainians are going to react when the horrible reality of US-style "democracy" hits home.

NorthOfTheM25 -> truk10 2 Sep 2015 19:24

Stop it, you are embarrassing yourself & sound like a bitter divorcee who has lost a legal battle. Nothing you have said has little bearing with the article.

But I guess each time the key trigger words Russia, Ukraine, Kremlin, Stalin & Moscow are mentioned then just like Putin bots, you are also activated from your dwelling under the bridge to reel out the tired & repetitive anti Putin bellicose rants.

normankirk -> jezzam 2 Sep 2015 19:22

except it is the oligarchs who are prospering. Kolomoisky is under investigation for diverting 1.8 billion of IMF money to his own Cyprus bank account. Poroshenkos profits have increased astronomically while all Ukrainians are taking pay cuts.


luckyjohn -> alpamysh 2 Sep 2015 19:03

Yanukovych contributed a lot to radicalise Ukrainian society. He planned his survival in office by manipulation - stressing Tyannybok's importance to voters so that in the end there would be a choice - Tyaynybok or himself Yanukovych for president. Of course - Yanukovych then wins because the radical Tyahnybok is too "dangerous" to vote in. So much for your democratically elected president Yanukovych! So the presence of radical elements in Ukrainian society is in fact Yanukovych's doing. He was a very divisive president who played on divisions in Ukraine rather than trying to heal them as well as being thoroughly corrupt.


virgenskamikazes 2 Sep 2015 18:37

I would believe the Western version if, after ousting Yanukovich, they would do a 21st century, EU version of a Marshall Plan. If the EU had said to Yanukovich "we want to flood Ukraine with Euro with very low interest and in long term, for investment in infrastructure and industrialization projects - given that you cut ties completely with Russia" and Yanukovich had said "no" to that, than I think it would be fair for the Ukranian people to oust him.

But the EU offered a humiliating, absurd shock therapy style reform, that's why Yanukovich "no". Even imediate full EU, EZ membership was not on the table.

The thing is, the Ukrainian people bought on the fantasy that they could mass emigrate to central Europe overnight had Yanukovich said "yes", that only them had economic problems, that the West is the promised land, that we are still in the Cold War, etc.

Had Yanukovich hold on tight on power until two months ago, after the Greek tragedy, I doubt there would be political strength for the USA and the Ukrainian far-right to oust him.

Beckow -> ArthurJenkinson 2 Sep 2015 18:32

He wrote a long article with bizarre conspiracy theories in order to confuse a very simple attack by a Ukrainian nationalist mob on the police, killing 3 policemen.

The "theories" are there to obfuscate and confuse. We are close to the end game in Kiev and it will not be pretty. And the angry hysteria among Washington, London and Berlin sponsors of this madness will also get uglier. They don't like to lose so they would prefer just about anything to admitting to being defeated in Ukraine.


Julian1972 2 Sep 2015 17:43

Poroshenko's assertion that Russia is to blame for this week's murder of policemen is of the same Frankenstein DNA as his assertion that Russia was behind the downing of Flight MH17 and that the Eastern part of The Ukraine's population are not democrats rising up against an illegal putsch which brought him to power but are simply 'Kremlin puppets'...and therefore justifiably crushed by the same type of gunfire that otherwise had Maidan martyrs held up as 'heroes'. (Even though it was members of their own side doing the shooting, hahaha).

Disgusting man hailing from a disgusting class of politician/businessmen trained by the US to bring death and chaos to any part of the globe that the powers behind the US Government see fit. Prepare for our own Maidan should this class of parasite-sans-frontieres, (read Mikheil Saakashvili), succeed in bringing The Ukraine under the NATO umbrella.


BastaYa72 -> alpamysh 2 Sep 2015 17:43

You can't even tell the difference between 'neo-fascist' and 'Nazi'.

If either term comes into your tiny mind it obviously defaults to imagining scenes from the last days in the Führerbunbker - whatever turns you on.

Also, the IMF has always favoured right wing corporatist regimes, preferably with as little democracy as possible.


desnol 2 Sep 2015 17:41

The author's puzzlement and confusion are directly proportional to how little he understands the situation in Ukraine. He keeps wondering about various scenario's, each more absurd than the previous.

I chortled with laughter, almost choked, when he suggested that the Kremlin agents are organising the far right nationalists in Ukraine, deliberately causing an outbreak of peace in order to show up the Kiev parties in a bad light! Believe me, Kiev parties can show themselves up all by themselves!

And then, almost at the very end of the article, after all his fanciful, surreal speculation, Andrey Kurkov hits the nail on the head with


"Still, the violence could have a far more banal explanation."

But even then he gets it all skewed up, blaming the fact that Ukranian army went to fight the separatists for the fact that the far right thugs are now armed and throwing bombs in Kiev. Doesn't he realise they were armed and throwing bombs in Maidan 2014 edition? He doesn't ask who armed them in the first place.
The author is giving a good impression of being one very confused bloke.

domeus -> thenewstranger 2 Sep 2015 17:30

At least he is an improvement on all the other Guardian journalists who report on Russia and Ukraine. He connects the right wing group of people behind the killing of the of the policeman in Kiev with those those who volunteered to kill their fellow countrymen in Odessa and throughout the eastern and southern regions. Autonomy for the regions would have solved the problem then and prevented the unnecessary bloodshed and suffering. But Nuland had other plans and the western media acted accordingly.

Jessica Roth -> alpamysh 2 Sep 2015 17:14

The Maidan "protestors" were the ones who broke the cease-fire, shooting at both the Berkut and their own people. The forensic evidence proved it. Did you not listen to the Urmas Paet-Baroness Ashton phone call?

The "impeachment" of Yanukovich was illegal under the Ukraine constitution, which required a 75% vote. Even with the US-trained thugs forcing MPs to the floor at gunpoint, only 72% of the Ukraine parliament was present for the vote. Poroshenko has no more business being President than the burnt and raped corpses of the people his Azov Nazis butchered in Odessa and Mariupol do. (Although the corpses would probably do a better job.)

bonhiver 2 Sep 2015 16:49

I wondered how long it would be for poroshenko to blame putin for the grenade attack. Russia has been a convenient scapegoat for Ukraine to blame for its own failings since the overthrow of yanukovic.

The right wing activists who carried out the grenade attack were at the heart of the maidan protests which also involved violent confrontations with the police. They were also those who tarrgetted ethnic Russians following the overthrow of yanukovic so their actions in opposition to granting extra powers to eastern territories is hardly surprising.

ositonegro 2 Sep 2015 16:44

The Azov battalion also declared they would bring the war to Kiev if not sated in Dombass. You make a fascist revolution and the next move is to institutionalize it. Hitler did this very well, destroying the populist SA movement and assassinating their leaders and incorporating the remainder into the regular army. Then fascism could move forward with the whole state support.

But in Ukraine the EU-US used fascism to make the coup then tried to reign it in. The fascists however cannot be institutionalized. They are still a powerful street movement with the added benefit of having been trained and armed and given military space to grow. Now they are pushing for policy dominance over the regular bourgeois political forces and using bombs to do it. The Azov Battalion always said they would take the war back to Kiev if they felt betrayed.

It has to be understood that Poroshenko is not a fascist, despite coming to power on the back of their efforts. The EU-US do not want the fascists in power. How could Ukraine enter the EU with an outright fascist government? But they are playing with fire, using these street forces and then renouncing them. It will come a time when they do not have either the legitimacy of the power to stop another coup against themselves, and this time with no restraints. Then what will the EU do?

While Greece founders under unsustainable debt and Eurogroup dictatorship, Ukraine is given sweeteners, relieving 20% of their debt - something unimaginable with Greece. But you can't stop a tsunami with Canderel.

[Aug 30, 2015] The Guardian view on the latest Ukraine ceasefire call: why this could be the one that works

Notable quotes:
"... The West tried to crash Russian economy ahead of the inevitable Ukrainian collapse, and it failed. So now the death-watch for the Ukraine's economy has started: default on loans, catastrophic drop in living standards and incomes, millions trying to emigrate, and energy dependency on Russia that might turn out to be fatal if there is a cold winter in Europe. ..."
"... Yeah, I can imagine Russians being jealous of Ukrainians. The economy is collapsing, the inflation is 40%, the far is going on, the armed Right Sector people are walking in the center of the city, the opposition leaders are suppressed and the actions are taking against the media that disagrees with Kiev. And while all of this, the corruption remains exactly where it used to be. Darn, the entire world is jealous of those lucky Ukrainians. ..."
"... Only US nutcases don't care about economy or living standards and prefer to play geo-political games with Ukrainians... ..."
"... And as for West "helping Ukraine" by cutting down the debt by 20%, this is the freshest interpretation of the event I've ever heard. It wasn't done to "help" Ukraine. The West agreed to do so to avoid even messier and costlier option of default and loosing even more money in Ukraine. Other than talking about giving some more loans to Ukraine in the future, the help to Ukraine from the West is now minimum. ..."
"... Land that has long since been signed over to Monsanto and DuPont as part payment for earlier loans. Ukraine's economy is in such a state that's it's obvious that it will form the next major refugee crisis, while Svoboda and Privvy Sector will almost certainly launch a coup to over-throw the Kiev government. ..."
"... Ukraine is bankrupt - negotiating to not pay back the full principal is the definition of a default. You can call it a "haircut" all you want, Ukraine has just defaulted - as in: they will not pay their full debts back. Who is going to invest there now? Other than EU taxpayers and IMF funny money men? ..."
Aug 30, 2015 | The Guardian

HollyOldDog -> Bosula 30 Aug 2015 20:28

The rest of Ukraine was descending into chaos, what with police and demonstrators being shot and killed by unknown assalients from rooftops. Odessa , where 45 plus Ukrainian citizens were trapped in a building which was set fire to by outside football supporters, then shot at and clubbed when the citizens climbed out of the burning building seeking help. Would you risk yourself and your family in such a situation or would you seek the protection of a friendly power?

Chillskier -> jezzam 30 Aug 2015 20:00

Ensure that Ukraine does not go under economically and eventually becomes a fully functioning and prosperous liberal democracy.
It seems to be working pretty well..

NO it is not.
You need to talk to people who actually live there, it is a catastrophe

HollyOldDog -> truk10 30 Aug 2015 19:46

Ukraine should be wary of false friends who may lead then down a blind alley. Only today I watched a very interesting TV program that puts the continueing existance of Monsanto into serious doubt. The program was about wheat in terms of the future of Global Warming where presentment her patterns within seasons would vary widely. Is it the right course of action to choose types of GM wheat where seasonal rains would pop up at inconvenient times ( which a farmer would pay 'through the nose for') or to allow your wheats to choose the correct wheat for the growing conditions it encounters. Some of the Wheats on test where from the times of the ancient Egyptians while the oldest variety was around 9000 years old. Instead of gene splicing and growing micro cultures in a lab followed by years of field testing , perhaps we should just look what our ancestors did.

I know this is not exactly on topic but I am trying to suggest Not to believe the latest SPIN, just because it is new. NEW SPIN does not equal TRUTH. IF something looks to be too good to be true then it is too good to be true - Forbes, verify your stories before you publish.

Beckow -> impartial12 30 Aug 2015 18:41

"Ukraine is important to the West because of its encroachment strategy against Russia"

The strategy is to somehow take over Russia by either having Yeltsin-like puppets in power again, or maybe by physically taking it apart (separatism). The "encroachment" is just the means to that end.

Russians had two choices when the coup happened in Kiev on the last day of the Sochi Olympics:

  • - do nothing and hope for the best; maybe Ukraine would run into economic troubles, maybe it would collapse into infighting like after the Orange revolution
  • - quickly save what could be saved - Crimea, bases, Donbass Russians - and squeeze Ukraine economically until it collapses

The West was surprised that Russia went for the second option and decided to fight. I think Russia decided that this was their best chance to resist, and that facts on the ground in Ukraine were in their favor. So far it has worked for Russia, thus the almost hysterical anger in the West.

Beckow -> Tintenfische 30 Aug 2015 17:55

Stay sober. Russia's economy is down 4%, that's not "go down in flames". E.g. EU economy dropped 6-9% after '09, and people are ok, kind of.

The real issue is with the Ukrainian economy and living standards. Russia's per capita income this year is 10 times higher than Ukraine's. That's very substantial, that's why about 3 million Ukrainians work in Russia and more are coming each month.

The West tried to crash Russian economy ahead of the inevitable Ukrainian collapse, and it failed. So now the death-watch for the Ukraine's economy has started: default on loans, catastrophic drop in living standards and incomes, millions trying to emigrate, and energy dependency on Russia that might turn out to be fatal if there is a cold winter in Europe.

vr13vr -> CedricH 30 Aug 2015 17:55

Yeah, I can imagine Russians being jealous of Ukrainians. The economy is collapsing, the inflation is 40%, the far is going on, the armed Right Sector people are walking in the center of the city, the opposition leaders are suppressed and the actions are taking against the media that disagrees with Kiev. And while all of this, the corruption remains exactly where it used to be. Darn, the entire world is jealous of those lucky Ukrainians.

Beckow -> Tintenfische 30 Aug 2015 17:47

"it denies the Ukrainian people any sort of agency what so ever and at the same time ignores that the elections within the Ukraine have not been called free or fair for a generation"

I wrote 'assisted in an overthrow' - do you get the meaning of the verb "to assist"? Assisting in an overthrow of an elected president is by any definition illegal and unconstitutional - all else that followed has to be examined in that light.

Elections in Ukraine have been free and fair and declared so by EU itself many times. Yanukovitch won fair and square. Russian speakers (or supporters) used to get roughly 50% of the vote, sometimes more, sometimes little bit less. Their party - Party of Regions - was outlawed. So maybe they are listened to, but in a very constrained way - they are certainly not equal to the Western Ukrainians. That's why some of them started a civil war.

You don't address any of the disastrous economic consequences of Maidan and the war: Ukraine is suffering and is much worse off than two years ago. There is no economic prosperity possible in Ukraine without Russian cooperation (energy, imports, food, investments). That is a reality that cannot be wished away. Unless Ukraine adjusts to being a poor, agrarian country, that exports millions of workers, with living standards maybe like in Albania or Tunis (at best), they will have to make peace with Russia and its own Russian leaning population. There is no other way, even Germany and France have officially told Kiev that much.

Only US nutcases don't care about economy or living standards and prefer to play geo-political games with Ukrainians...

SHappens -> Agrajag3k 30 Aug 2015 17:42

Ukraine can prosper perfectly well on its own, just like any other county under the right leadership.

which they dont have. On the other hand when a big part of the country doesn't want to align with the "West" they should be heard. That's what is called democracy

vr13vr 30 Aug 2015 16:09

Clueless. The "low intensity" fight continues, but it's evident that the chances of Kiev to establish full control of the area are non-existent, and it is Kiev who is looking for a grace saving exit at this point.

And as for West "helping Ukraine" by cutting down the debt by 20%, this is the freshest interpretation of the event I've ever heard. It wasn't done to "help" Ukraine. The West agreed to do so to avoid even messier and costlier option of default and loosing even more money in Ukraine. Other than talking about giving some more loans to Ukraine in the future, the help to Ukraine from the West is now minimum.

BastaYa72 -> alpamysh 30 Aug 2015 16:33

Moreover, a country with the agricultural resources of Ukraine

Land that has long since been signed over to Monsanto and DuPont as part payment for earlier loans. Ukraine's economy is in such a state that's it's obvious that it will form the next major refugee crisis, while Svoboda and Privvy Sector will almost certainly launch a coup to over-throw the Kiev government.

Iraq, Libya, Ukraine - you can pretty much guarantee that wherever the West intervenes or interferes, chaos and destruction is pretty much 'nailed-on'.

Laurence Johnson -> Beckow 30 Aug 2015 16:05

You make some very sober points. Ukraine is indeed destined to be a wasteland similar to Libya and Syria. The scorch and burn policy of "if I cant have it, nobody can have it" is very clear.

I suspect that in twenty years time East Ukraine will be an economic miracle that engages with Asia via Russia. As for Kiev I suspect they will still be arguing about which Oligarch has the biggest pair of balls.

normankirk 30 Aug 2015 15:56

under the Minsk agreement, the border comes back under Ukrainian control, only when Ukraine has done the necessary constitutional reform that grants autonomy to the Donbas. So far, Kiev has dragged the chain , and to this day has refused dialogue with the leaders of the DPR and LPR.Poroshenko has openly boasted of using the ceasefire to build up another military assault on the eastern Ukrainians , and has vowed to reclaim all the terrItory by force.All this is in breach of the Minsk agreement Articles like this, with their bias and misinformation destroys the credibility of the guardian

This time the ceasefire may work because Merkel and Hollande have pressured Poroshenko, but I'm not holding my breath.

Parangaricurimicuaro 30 Aug 2015 15:45

I think that Europe is having to much on its plate. Terrorism problems, energy insecurity, bailing out Greece, refugees escaping wars south of the Mediterranean, aging population etc. so maybe it is most than they could possible chew. Reality is sobering everyone.


SHappens Agrajag3k 30 Aug 2015 15:36

Russia has no interest in seeing the war end or seeing Ukraine prosper.

Ukraine cannot prosper without Russia's market, that's an economic truth. Ukraine can even less prosper without the Donbass. The West must accept to share Ukraine with Russia. Federalization can make this possible and fulfill every country's ambitions and will, except for one country overseas, taking part to the events, we dont know why or do we?

Beckow 30 Aug 2015 15:26

Half-truths are by definition not truths. To say:

"deadline for the internationally recognised border to come back under Ukrainian government control"

Minsk also requires that Donbass has autonomy before border is turned over. How does one leave out the other side of the story? It is like reporting on Soviet Union conquest of Berlin in 1945 without mentioning that Germany invaded Russia in 1941. Maybe that's next in the endless search for just the right narrative where friends are friends, and enemies are, well the enemy is Russia, end of story. No need to actually be accurate. About Minsk or anything else.

Ukraine is bankrupt - negotiating to not pay back the full principal is the definition of a default. You can call it a "haircut" all you want, Ukraine has just defaulted - as in: they will not pay their full debts back. Who is going to invest there now? Other than EU taxpayers and IMF funny money men?

Time is definitely not on Ukraine's side: economy is down by 15-17%, inflation is 40-50%, incomes are dramatically down to roughly Senegal-Nepal level, the exports to Russia that Ukraine used to live off are down by more than 50% and dropping - and nothing is replacing the Russian market. With living standards are on sub-African level and with no visa-free access to EU, no investments (see the default above), and energy dependence on Russia, how can time be on Kiev's side? How are they going to grow out of it? What and to whom are they going to export? How is the per capita income going to grow? Today Ukraine income is 1/10 of Russia's per capita income (that's right 10%). How is time on Kiev's side?

West triggered an unnecessary catastrophe in Ukraine by assisting in an overthrow of an elected government. Ukraine is divided, look at all elections, look at language usage, etc... half is pro-West, half is pro-Russian. It is impossible to have a prosperous Ukraine without both having a say in running the country. So sooner or later, Ukraine will either go back to its traditional role as a buffer state, or it will break-up. There is no way one group can permanently dominate the other. And that takes us back to the Minsk treaty that specifies that Donbass gets autonomy. Maybe we should ask Kiev what happened to that part of the treaty. Why isn't it even mentioned?


impartial12 Tintenfische 30 Aug 2015 15:19

That is funny considering the amount of armaments building up among the former nations of the Soviet Union neighboring Russia. The escalation in Ukraine had started with an illegal coup of an elected government. And don't even get me started on the neo-Nazi tendencies of the new regime. It takes two to tango, and the West clearly wants to play this game no matter what negative consequences it may bring.


SHappens 30 Aug 2015 15:14

Kiev, backed by Washington who is using Ukrainian army foot soldiers, paramilitaries, foreign mercenaries, Nazi-infested death squads and others hasn't stopped since initiated back in April 2014. Kiev flagrantly violated the Geneva and two Minsk ceasefire agreements straightaway. Moreover Kiev has repeatedly refused to sit and talk with the people in the East and grant them autonomy as per Minsk.

Surely Russia supports the eastern ukrainians, rightly, in a way or another, preventing in this way a full war offensive by Kiev, however Russian's army is not present in Ukraine. President Putin wants peace and has been calling for it since the very start of the event, that is the ATO launched by Kiev back in 2014.

This is the Donbass who fights against Kiev. It is the US citizens who are forced to devote scarce resources to the dying puppet regime in Kiev (who will not avoid the country's default anyway + they have been downgraded), while Russia can stay away making peace proposals. If the US wants to put the fire, they will put it so it is necessary to be able to quickly turn it off to preserve what is most precious. That's why Putin considers peace of vital importance.

We can only guess who will be most effective - the US with their fuel container or the Russians with their fire extinguisher?

[Aug 28, 2015] Ukraine agrees win-win debt restructuring deal

Notable quotes:
"... the government conceded that it must pay a higher interest rate on the remaining debts. ..."
"... includes a four-year extension on repayments ..."
"... In Moscow, the Russian finance minister, Anton Siluanov, said Russia would not participate in the agreement. Ukraine owes Russia a $3bn eurobond due for full repayment in December. The need to repay Russia represents a dilemma for the IMF as it considers whether to pump further funds into Ukraine, possibly in conjunction with Brussels. It is not officially allowed to continue lending to a country that is in default to another sovereign. ..."
"... The Washington-based lender of last resort has already come up against criticism for its lending policy, which critics believe forces the government to pursue draconian austerity measures that will depress growth and increase its debts. Exotix credit strategist Jokob Christensen said the bondholders were the clear winners. "I have a hard time seeing how this deal will help reduce [Ukraine's] debt to 71% of GDP in 2020, which is one of the crucial targets in the operation," he said. ..."
Aug 28, 2015 | The Guardian

Ukraine has secured a 20% writedown on $18bn (£11.6bn) of its foreign debts in a deal its finance minister described as win-win...

... ... ...

The hedge funds holding Ukrainian debt will write off around $4bn in return for securities that will pay holders a percentage of Ukraine's economic growth from 2021. But in a move that is likely to dismay many MPs in the Kiev parliament, the government conceded that it must pay a higher interest rate on the remaining debts.

The deal, which still needs to be approved by creditors outside the group, includes a four-year extension on repayments to give Ukraine breathing space. But the interest rate on the bonds will rise 0.5 percentage points to 7.75%. It ended months of tense negotiations aimed at helping to keep the country on track with its International Monetary Fund-led bailout programme, plugging a funding gap and preventing a unilateral debt default.

Ukraine's finance minister, Natalia Yaresko, who had sought a 40% debt haircut, said the deal meets all targets set by the IMF bailout programme and would allow the country to move ahead. "Everyone's done well out of this deal. That's why it's collaborative. It's not one side winning, it's a win-win situation. We're all now moving forward without putting the value of the bonds at any further risk," she said.

Ukraine's sovereign dollar bond prices surged after the news, indicating that traders viewed the remaining debt to be on a more secure footing. Its 2017 issue rose 8.7 cents to trade at 64.5 cents in the dollar, according to Tradeweb data, while the 2022 bond rose 10 cents.

In Moscow, the Russian finance minister, Anton Siluanov, said Russia would not participate in the agreement. Ukraine owes Russia a $3bn eurobond due for full repayment in December. The need to repay Russia represents a dilemma for the IMF as it considers whether to pump further funds into Ukraine, possibly in conjunction with Brussels. It is not officially allowed to continue lending to a country that is in default to another sovereign.

The debt deal should help keep Ukraine's national currency, the hryvnia, stable and allow increased spending on defence in the east,...

... ... ...

The Washington-based lender of last resort has already come up against criticism for its lending policy, which critics believe forces the government to pursue draconian austerity measures that will depress growth and increase its debts. Exotix credit strategist Jokob Christensen said the bondholders were the clear winners. "I have a hard time seeing how this deal will help reduce [Ukraine's] debt to 71% of GDP in 2020, which is one of the crucial targets in the operation," he said.

Gabriel Sterne, head of global macro at Oxford Economics, also cast doubt on whether the deal would make Ukraine's debt levels sustainable and added: "There is a strong likelihood that they will be back at the negotiating table before too many IMF reviews have passed."

Talks had been held up over a disagreement with creditors on whether to provide Kiev with a writedown on the face value of the bonds. Kiev had initially sought a 40% cut. "We started in different places, because the creditor committee didn't believe we had a solvency problem but my goal was not a particular number, it was meeting those IMF targets," Yaresko said. She added that she hoped it was highly unlikely that remaining creditors would reject the agreement and forecast that the process would be wrapped up by the end of October.

[Aug 28, 2015] Ukraines debt deal is better than defaulting – but its just a stop gap

Aug 27, 2015 | The Guardian

The debt deal Ukraine has painstakingly negotiated with its creditors is welcome and preferable to the alternative: a default that would have put additional pressure on the country's shaky banks and led to both capital flight and a protracted battle in the courts. But amid all the backslapping a bit of perspective is needed.

Greece has severe problems but Ukraine is the most troubled country in Europe. It has inflation at 55%, its economy is expected to contract by 10% this year, and the government is fighting a war with separatists in the east backed by Russia that is costly in both human and financial terms.

The deal involves a 20% writedown to the face value of $18bn of eurobonds and pushes back the date on which the bonds will be redeemed by four years. Ukraine has some breathing space and the accord means it will continue to be eligible for financial help from the International Monetary Fund. That's the good news.

But the finance minister, Natalia Yaresko, had to scale back her ambitions once it became clear creditors thought Kiev's threat to default was a bluff. She has had to offer higher interest rates when debt payments resume and has had to accept a 20% writedown rather than the 40% she wanted.

Ukraine's debts remain high and its economy is in freefall. This agreement is a stop gap not a game changer.

[Aug 16, 2015] Iran Nuclear Deal: Why Empire Blinked First

August 14, 2015 | ronpaulinstitute.org

We've now spent three weeks watching American politicians argue needlessly over the Iran nuclear deal. For or against, they all miss this one salient point: It is the US that needed to end this standoff with Iran – not the other way around.

For years we have been hearing that US sanctions "were biting" and had "teeth." Sanctions, it was said, would "change Iranian behaviors," whether in regards to the Islamic Republic's "support of terrorism," its "calculations" over its nuclear program, or by turning popular Iranian sentiment against its government.

Here is US President Obama spinning the fairytale at full volume:

"We put in place an unprecedented regime of sanctions that has crippled Iran's economy…And it is precisely because of the international sanctions and the coalition that we were able to build internationally that the Iranian people responded by saying, we need a new direction in how we interact with the international community and how we deal with this sanctions regime. And that's what brought President Rouhani to power."
There is, of course, scant evidence that any of this is true.

If anything, on the economic front, the net effect of sanctions has been to rally Iranians behind domestic production and thrift – establishing both the discipline and policy focus necessary to sustain the country indefinitely. A 2013 Congressional Research Service (CRS) report explains this unintended consequence of sanctions:

"There is a growing body of opinion and Iranian assertions that indicates that Iran, through actions of the government and the private sector, is mitigating the economic effect of sanctions. Some argue that Iran might even benefit from sanctions over the long term by being compelled to diversify its economy and reduce dependence on oil revenues. Iran's 2013-2014 budget relies far less on oil exports than have previous budgets, and its exports of minerals, cement, urea fertilizer, and other agricultural and basic industrial goods are increasing substantially."
Sanctions didn't succeed on the political front either. By in large, Iranians did not hold their leadership responsible for sanctions-related economic duress, nor did they seek rapprochement with the West as a way out. The US continues to flog the narrative that Iranians elected President Hassan Rouhani in a bid to "moderate" foreign policy stances, but a survey conducted by US pollster Zogby Research Services in the immediate aftermath of Rouhani's election turns that premise on its head:

Ninety-six percent of Iranians surveyed agreed with the statement that "maintaining the right to advance a nuclear program is worth the price being paid in economic sanctions and international isolation." Of those polled, a mere five percent of Iranians felt that improved relations with the US and the West were their top priority.

No, sanctions have not worked in any of the ways they were intended.
So if the Iranians were not 'dragged' to the negotiating table, then what was the sudden incentive behind a multilateral effort to forge a deal in 2015 - 36 years after the first US non-nuclear sanctions were levied against the Islamic Republic, and nine years after the UN Security Council first issued nuclear-related sanctions?

Keep in mind that both the Iranians and the permanent members of the UNSC have offered up proposals to end the nuclear deadlock since 2003. So why, this deal, now?

Could it be that the Americans had simply blinked first?

And the world turned

It must be understood that much of this nuclear brouhaha has nothing to do with Iran actually possessing or aspiring to possess nuclear weapons. The Islamic Republic neither has nuclear weapons, nor does it profess to want them.
US intelligence agencies, over the years, have conceded that Iran has not even made the "decision" to pursue weaponization, and the IAEA has repeatedly stated in 52 periodic assessment reports that there has been "no diversion"of nuclear materials to a weapons program.

In short, all the fuss has really only ever been about containing, isolating and taming a developing nation with aspirations that challenge Empire's hegemony.
Iran was never going to be able to change the rules of the game single-handedly. That is, until the game itself shifted hands and direction.

In 2012, cracks in the global economic and political power structures started to shift dramatically. We started to see the emergence of the BRICS, in particular Russia and China, as influential movers of global events. Whether it was a shift in trading currencies from the conventional dollar/euro to the rupee/yuan/ruble, or the emergence of new global economic/defense institutions initiated by BRICS member states, the world's middle powers began to assert themselves and project power on the international stage.

But it was in the vast and complicated Middle East arena that old power and new power came to clash most ferociously.

In November 2011, the year of the Arab uprisings, the BRICS announced their first collective foreign policy statement, urging the rejection of foreign intervention in Syria's internal affairs.

By 2012, it started becoming clear that the crisis in Syria was being heavily fomented by external players, including the three UNSC Western permanent members, the US, UK and France and their regional allies, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and NATO-member Turkey.

In 2012, it also became clear that Al-Qaeda and other militant Islamist fighters were dominating the opposition inside the Syrian military theater and that these elements were being backed by the United States and its allies.

The American calculus, at this point, was to allow and even encourage the proliferation of fighters prepared to unseat the government of Syrian President Bashar Assad, anticipating that at some future date they could then reverse the gains of radicals.

Assad did not fall, but extremism – fueled by funding, arming and training from US allies – entrenched itself further in Syria.

This did not go unnoticed in Washington, which has always struggled to make a coherent case for its Syria strategies. The rise of ISIS (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) and the flood of jihadists into the Syrian theater began to change the American calculations. The US began to work on hedging its bets…and that is when Iran began to factor significantly in America's Plan B.

That Plan B began in mid-2012, just as Saudi Arabia's incoming intelligence chief Bandar bin Sultan was preparing for a violent escalation in Syria, one that would exacerbate the Islamist militancy in the Levant exponentially.

That July, secret backchannel talks between the United States and Iran were established in Oman, kicked off, according to the Wall Street Journal, by "a pattern of inducements offered by Washington to coax Tehran to the table."

Take note that the Americans initiated this process, not the allegedly "sanctions-fatigued" Iranians, and that this outreach began when Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was at the helm, not his successor Rouhani.

Iran – or bust

Iran's elite Quds Force Commander Qassem Soleimani said a few months ago: "Today, there is nobody in confrontation with [IS] except the Islamic Republic of Iran, as well as nations who are next to Iran or supported by Iran."

If you look at the array of ground forces amassed against Islamist radicals from Lebanon to Iraq, they consist almost entirely of elements allied with the Islamic Republic, or are recipients of weapons and sometimes training provided by the Iranians.

There are no combat forces from Western states and none from their Arab or Turkish allies within the region.

'Boots on the ground' are essential in asymmetrical warfare, but the US military will continue to oppose inserting its troops into direct combat situations in Syria and Iraq.

In a Telegraph op-ed on the eve of the Vienna nuclear agreement, Britain's influential former ambassador to Washington Christopher Meyer wrote:

"Whether we like it or not, we are in de facto alliance against ISIL with Assad of Syria and with Iran, the implacable foe of our long-standing ally, Sunni Saudi Arabia…. if ISIL is able to expand further in the Middle East, won't this unavoidably lead to the conclusion that our strategic ally in the region for the 21st century must be Iran?"
This is the conundrum Washington began facing in 2012. And so it set in motion a face-saving strategy to enable itself to "deal" with Iran directly.

The Vienna Agreement

Here's what the Iran nuclear deal does – besides the obvious: it takes the old American-Iranian "baggage" off the table for the US administration, allowing it the freedom to pursue more pressing shared political objectives with Iran.

The Iranians understood full well in Vienna that they were operating from a strong regional position and that the US needed this deal more urgently. The Americans tried several times to get Iran to expand discussions to address regional issues on a parallel track, but the Iranians refused point-blank. They were not prepared to allow the US to gain any leverage in various regional battlefields in order to weaken Iran's position within broader talks.

Although the Iranians are careful to point out that the Vienna agreement is only as good as the "intentions" of their partners, this deal is essentially a satisfactory one for Tehran. It ensures rigorous verification that Iran is not pursuing a nuclear weapons program, which is great for a country that doesn't seek one.
It also provides Iran with protections against 'over-inspection' and baseless accusations, dismisses all UNSC resolutions against the Islamic Republic, recognizes the country's enrichment program, provides extensive international sanctions relief, binds all UN member-states to this agreement (yes, Israel too) and nails down an end-date for this whole nuclear saga.

The deal also frees up Iran to pursue its regional plans with less inhibitions.
"What the president (Obama) and his aides do not talk about these days - for fear of further antagonizing lawmakers on Capitol Hill who have cast Iran as the ultimate enemy of the United States - are their grander ambitions for a deal they hope could open up relations with Tehran and be part of a transformation in the Middle East," reads a post-Vienna article in the New York Times.

US Secretary of State John Kerry, commenting after the deal, said: "I know that a Middle East that is on fire is going to be more manageable with this deal and opens more potential for us to be able to deal with those fires, whether it is Houthi in Yemen or ISIL in Syria and Iraq than no deal and the potential of another confrontation with Iran at the same time."

"The Iran agreement is a disaster for ISIS," blares the headline from a post-agreement op-ed by EU foreign affairs chief Frederica Mogherini. She explains:

"ISIS is spreading its vicious and apocalyptic ideology in the Middle East and beyond…An alliance of civilizations can be our most powerful weapon in the fight against terror…We need to restart political processes to end wars. We need to get all regional powers back to the negotiating table and stop the carnage. Cooperation between Iran, its neighbors and the whole international community could open unprecedented possibilities of peace for the region, starting from Syria, Yemen and Iraq."
Clearly, for Western leaders Iran is an essential component in any fight against ISIS and other like-minded terror groups. Just as clearly, they have realized that excluding Iran from the resolution of various regional conflicts is a non-starter.
That is some significant back-tracking from earlier Western positions explicitly excluding Iran from a seat at the table on Mideast matters.

And stay tuned for further policy revisions - once this train gets underway, it will indeed be "transformative."

As for the Iran nuclear deal…except for some hotheads in Congress and the US media, most of the rest of the world has already moved on. As chief US negotiator and undersecretary for political affairs, Wendy Sherman said recently: "If we walk away, quite frankly we walk away alone."

The balance of power has shifted decisively in the Middle East. Washington wants out of the mess it helped create, and it can't exit the region without Iran's help. The agreement in Vienna was reached to facilitate this possibility. Iran is not inclined to reward the US for bad behavior, but will also likely not resist efforts to broker regional political settlements that make sense.

It was not a weak Iran that came to the final negotiations in Vienna and it was not a crippled Iran that left that table.

As New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman (for once) aptly observed:

"It is stunning to me how well the Iranians, sitting alone on their side of the table, have played a weak hand against the United States, Russia, China, France, Germany and Britain on their side of the table. When the time comes, I'm hiring (Iran's Supreme Leader) Ali Khamenei to sell my house."
Iran just exited UNSC Chapter 7 sanctions via diplomacy rather than war, and it's now focusing its skill-sets on unwinding conflict in the Middle East. If you're planning to challenge Empire anytime soon, make sure to get a copy of Iran's playbook. Nobody plays the long game better - and with more patience.

Reprinted with permission from RT.

[Aug 13, 2015] Its not migrants who are the marauders and plunderers

Notable quotes:
"... The sultan of Najd, Abdelaziz al-Saud bowed his head before the British High Commissioner in Percy Cox's Iraq. His voice quavered, and then he started begging with humiliation: "Your grace are my father and you are my mother. I can never forget the debt I owe you. You made me and you held my hand, you elevated me and lifted me. I am prepared, at your beckoning, to give up for you now half of my kingdom…no, by Allah, I will give up all of my kingdom, if your grace commands me! ..."
Aug 13, 2015 | The Guardian

Never let it be said that Britain's leaders miss an opportunity to inflame fear and loathing towards migrants and refugees. First David Cameron warned of the threat posed by "a swarm of people" who were "coming across the Mediterranean … wanting to come to Britain". Then his foreign secretary Philip Hammond upped the ante.

The chaos at the Channel tunnel in Calais, he declared, was caused by "marauding" migrants who posed an existential threat. Cheer-led by the conservative press, he warned that Europe would not be able to "protect itself and preserve its standard of living" if it had to "absorb millions of migrants from Africa".

With nightly television coverage of refugees from the world's worst conflicts risking their lives to break into lorries and trains heading for Britain, this was rhetoric designed to stoke visceral fears of the wretched of the Earth emerging from its depths.

Barely a hint of humanity towards those who have died in Calais this summer has escaped ministers' lips. But in reality the French port is a sideshow, home to a few thousand migrants unable to pay traffickers for more promising routes around Britain's border controls.

Europe's real refugee crisis is in the Mediterranean. More than 180,000 have reached Italy and Greece by sea alone this year, and more than 2,000 have died making the crossing, mostly from war-ravaged Libya. The impact on Greece, already wracked with crisis, is at tipping point.

On the Greek island of Kos, 2,000 mostly Syrian and Afghan refugees were rounded up on Tuesday and locked in a sports stadium after clashes with riot police, who used stun grenades to maintain order. Numbers reaching the Greek islands have quadrupled since last year.

But nothing in Europe matches the millions who have been driven to seek refuge in Turkey, Lebanon, Pakistan or Jordan. Set against such a global drama, Calais is little more than deathly theatre. Britain is not one of the main destinations for either refugees or illegal migrants – the vast majority of whom overstay their visas, rather than stow away in the Channel tunnel.

Last year 25,870 sought asylum in the UK and only 10,050 were accepted. By contrast, Sweden accepted three times as many and Germany had more than 200,000 asylum and new asylum applicants. Nor is Britain's asylum seeker's benefit rate, at £36.95 a week, remotely the magnet it is portrayed. France pays £41.42; in Norway it's £88.65.

What does suck overwhelmingly legal migrant workers into Britain is a highly deregulated labour market, where workplace protection is often not enforced and which both gangmasters and large private companies are able ruthlessly to exploit.

The case, reported in the Guardian, of the entirely legal Lithuanian farm workers – who are suing a Kent-based gangmaster supplying high street supermarkets over inhuman working conditions, debt bondage and violent intimidation – is only the extreme end of a growing underbelly of harsh and insecure employment.

If ministers were remotely concerned about "rogue employers driving down wages" by using illegal migrants, as they claim, they would be strengthening trade unions and rights at work. But they're doing the opposite. And they're using the language of dehumanisation to justify slashing support for asylum seekers' children, locking up refused applicants indefinitely and targeting illegal workers far more enthusiastically than the employers who exploit them.

But what risks dividing communities can also turn them against such anti-migrant crackdowns. In recent months, flash protests have erupted in London and other cities against UK Border Agency attempts to arrest failed asylum seekers or undocumented migrant workers. In areas such as Elephant and Castle, riot police have been called in after UKBA vans were surrounded and pelted with eggs by angry locals and activists trying to prevent the detention of people seen as part of the community.

The chaos at Calais and the far larger-scale upheaval and suffering across Europe could be brought under control by the kind of managed processing that northern European governments, such as Britain's, are so keen to avoid.

'If the current US and British-backed Saudi bombing campaign in Yemen continues, expect Yemeni refugees to join the region's exodus in the months to come.'

'If the current US and British-backed Saudi bombing campaign in Yemen continues, expect Yemeni refugees to join the region's exodus in the months to come.' Photograph: Yahya Arhab/EPA

But that would only be a temporary fix for a refugee crisis driven by war and state disintegration – and Britain, France and their allies have played a central role in most of the wars that are fuelling it. The refugees arriving in Europe come from Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Sudan, Pakistan, Somalia and Eritrea.

With the recent exception of the dictatorial Eritrean regime, those are a roll-call of more than a decade of disastrous western-led wars and interventions. In the case of Libya, the British and French-led bombing campaign in 2011 led directly to the civil war and social breakdown that has made the country the main conduit for refugee trafficking from Africa. And in Syria, the western funding, arming and training of opposition groups – while fuelling the rise of Isis – has played a crucial role in the country's destruction.

If the current American and British-backed Saudi bombing campaign in Yemen continues, expect Yemeni refugees to join the region's exodus in the months to come. So the first longer term contribution Britain and its allies could make to staunching the flow of refugees would be to stop waging open and covert wars in the Middle East and north Africa. That is actual marauding.

The second would be a major shift in policy towards African development. Africa may not be leading the current refugee crisis, and African migrants certainly don't threaten European living standards. But as a group of global poverty NGOs argued this week, Africa is being drained of resources through western corporate profit extraction, extortionate debt repayments and one-sided trade "partnership" deals. If that plunder continues and absolute numbers in poverty go on rising as climate change bites deeper, migration pressures to the wealthy north can only grow.

There is a genuine migration crisis driven by war and neoliberal globalisation. Despite the scaremongering, it hasn't yet reached Britain. But it's a fantasy to imagine that fences, deportations and better security can protect fortress Europe. An end to the real plunder and marauding would be more effective.


ID0049691 nadel 13 Aug 2015 10:55

Why don't you start with yourself? How many of your ancestors like millions of other Europeans, went to Africa, the Americas, Australia, New Zealand and elsewhere to "settle" there over the past centuries? Now that the tide is turning you and your likes do nothing but whine and accuse others of being "left wingers". The left wingers seem to be the only people left with human feelings.

Beastcheeks 13 Aug 2015 10:55

Thank you Seamus - a beacon of light amongst the marauding dirge of mass media ignorance and hatred that characterises the current mainstream British position. When I read many of responses to your reasoned arguments - I hang my head in shame. Mass delusion and hatred not dissimilar to Nazi Germany I'm afraid. The very fact you have to spell out the obvious truth - that you can't bomb the hell out of people and then cry foul when they come to us for safe refuge - beggars belief. I am well and truly disgusted and am in the process of relinquishing my British nationality. No longer am I willing to tolerate such ignorant intolerance in my name.


rentierDEATHcult 13 Aug 2015 10:51

Shias are not joining ISIS ... but the vast majority of Sunnis are not joining it, either !?

Kurds are Sunnis - they're fighting ISIS.

Sunni tribes in Iraq are collaborating with Shia (often Iranian) militias to fight ISIS.

Even fellow Sunni Jihadists in the al-Nusra Front (& affiliated brigades) regard ISIS as ignorant nihilists and want to have nothing to do with them.

Your thesis about a Shia + Sunni conflict driving the wave of migration into Europe is, simply, flawed.

Its utter nonsence, in fact.

Moreover, Shia and Sunni have lived amongst each other, largely, in peace during that 1400 years. Prior to the illegal invasion of Iraq in 2003, most suburbs of Baghdad were mixed and a significant proportion of families shared a dual Shia + Sunni tradition.


Rj H 13 Aug 2015 10:42

There are some good and bad points to all this as demonstrated on this comments thread. There seems to be no real consensus and blame is shifted from one side to the other (whether political, social, class or economic). The only thing we (indigenous population) might all agree upon is; upon stepping back and looking at the current state of the UK (formally Great Britain) most of us will come to the conclusion that something has gone wrong and the country and the UK is not enjoying good health. That fact alone should demonstrate that those in charge are not doing their jobs properly. Poor leadership across 40 years has damaged this country. A country that once governed FOR its people now governs contrary to the majority of its people's wishes. Those at the top are not capable (or indeed willing) to look out for those at the bottom. We as a population are being hit and abused by a government that cares only for the wealth and power of a select few. Never have so many been owed so much by so few. The government has reduced the people's voice to a hoarse whisper. We need to regain our voice and SHOUT back that we won't stand for this situation any longer.


blueanchor rentierDEATHcult 13 Aug 2015 10:36

"How is Islam responsible ...?".

Aren't the battlelines across swathes of Islam's heartland in the Middle-East drawn up broadly on Sunni v Shia lines? For instance I don't think you'll find any Shia joining Isis. What you have now is an eruption of the Islamic sectarian dispute which has been running on and off for 1,400 years, and people are fleeing to escape it.


musolen David Hicks 13 Aug 2015 10:35

No, you're right, of course we don't, that's the point.

One sided trade deals are negotiated with massive distortion favouring the big multinational corporations but listen to the IMF and all you hear is we have to 'open up our markets to enable free trade'.

The US has more trade embargoes in place than any other nation and EU is close behind and the irony doesn't even register on the faces at IMF and World Bank trampling the world spreading their Neo-Liberal rubbish.

My point was that to have capitalism, if you are an advocate of capitalism you have to accept those free movements of goods, money and people.

Paul Torgerson Rob99 13 Aug 2015 10:35

Well at least there is one person on here who has not swallowed the right wing xenophobic crap. But the right wing press is doing a great job of brain washing the populace. Examining the facts indicates a humanitarian problem that will not in any way disadvantage Europe even if they allow ALL these people to settle in Europe


wasson Bicbiro 13 Aug 2015 10:34

So you think if the UK minimum wage was lower than Poland they'd still come? I'm afraid I'm going to have to to disagree with you there bic. They come because they can earn in a week what they earn in 3 months in Poland. Simple as.


rentierDEATHcult sludge 13 Aug 2015 10:32

If you know anything about Lawrence of Arabia (since you brought him up), you would know that the British were collaborating against the Ottomans by inciting Arab tribes to revolt against them.

The Ottoman state was seen as an Islamist bulwark against European colonialism, especially, British imperialism.

So i'm not sure why you think the British would have undermined the Saudis and handed territories they had seized back to the Ottoman Turks - against whom the British were collaborating - (using the Saudis) !?

You need to understand and embrace this part of recent British history. Because anyone that doesn't understand (or acknowledge) their history is not to be trusted with the present.


bugiolacchi dragonpiwo 13 Aug 2015 10:28

UK is not part of Shengen. Non-EU migrants who work, live, travel freely, and prosper in the rest of Europe need a visa to cross the few miles of water between us and the continent.

As per the ID cards, every time they interview an 'illegal' immigrant, one of the reasons given for coming here is that it is the only country (in the world?) where one does no need to identify themselves when asked (a 'utility bill' my socks...) and can drive without a driving licence or car documentations with them, but to 'present' them later. A Christmas invitation if one wants to 'blend' in the background'. Again, a 'utility bill' as an idea.. hilarious!


rentierDEATHcult sludge 13 Aug 2015 10:19

The 'Gazzeteer of the Persian Gulf, Oman & Central Arabia' authored by John Gordon Lorimer has now been declassified by the British government and provides significant insight into the relationship between Abdulaziz al Saud and the British colonial authorities.

The memoirs of HRP Dickson in his 1951 book "Kuwait and Her Neighbours" provides further details on how Britain supported the rise of the Saudi monarchy as de facto colonial agents of Pax Britannica.

Dickson was British envoy to the Gulf emirates and an aide to British High Commissioner for Iraq - Sir Percy Cox

Dickson recounts this exchange between Sir Percy and Abdelaziz al Saud during the conference in al-Aqeer in November 1922:

The sultan of Najd, Abdelaziz al-Saud bowed his head before the British High Commissioner in Percy Cox's Iraq. His voice quavered, and then he started begging with humiliation: "Your grace are my father and you are my mother. I can never forget the debt I owe you. You made me and you held my hand, you elevated me and lifted me. I am prepared, at your beckoning, to give up for you now half of my kingdom…no, by Allah, I will give up all of my kingdom, if your grace commands me!"

[Aug 10, 2015]The U.S. Is Destroying Europe

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There are two ways to win, at any game: One is by improving one's own performance. The other is by weakening the performances by all of one's competitors. The United States is now relying almost entirely upon the latter type of strategy.

[Aug 09, 2015] Seven countries near bankruptcy

Aug 08, 2015 | usatoday.com

Moody's Investors' Service rates seven countries Caa1 or worse, several tiers lower than Ba1, which still carries a significant credit risk. These countries are approaching or have narrowly escaped bankruptcy. Ukraine is rated Ca, which is currently the lowest credit rating of any country reviewed by Moody's.

... ... ...

Ukraine

> Moody's credit rating: Ca
> Moody's outlook: Negative
> 2015 Gov't debt (pct. of GDP): 94.1%
> 2015 GDP per capita (PPP): $8,278

Ukraine's conflict with Russia over its annexation of Crimea continues to fuel the country's financial problems. While the IMF approved Ukraine's debt restructuring plan in March, Ukraine has the worst credit rating of any country reviewed, downgraded this year from Caa3 to Ca, the second lowest possible level. Creditors can expect a 35% to 65% recovery rate on loans issued by the country. According to Moody's, "The likelihood of a distressed exchange, and hence a default on government debt taking place, is virtually 100%."

The same day that Moody's issued the downgrade, the National Bank of Ukraine announced the establishment of the Financial Stability Council. According to Governor of the National Bank of Ukraine Valeriia Gonatreva, the Council's function will be to "take a comprehensive and systemic approach to identify and mitigate the risks threatening the stability of the banking and financial systems of the country."

[Aug 09, 2015] The main points of this Gorbulin-Poroshenko Plan

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yalensis, August 7, 2015 at 2:54 pm

Op-ed by Sergei Markov, a Russian political analyst who is considered to be close to the views of the Kremlin:

http://rusnext.ru/recent_opinions/1438977256

According to Markov, Kiev was only interested in the first part of the Minsk Accords, namely in a panic to stop counter-offensive of Novorossiya army, after their debacle at Debaltsevo.

But they have zero interest in carrying out the rest of the accords.

Plus, according to Markov, Kiev is under instructions from their American masters, to continue the war at all costs.
According to Markov, Kiev is actually carrying out a plan called the "Gorbulin-Poroshenko Plan", and I googled Gorbulin, but couldn't get any more information, so I don't know who this person is.

But the main points of this Gorbulin-Poroshenko Plan are said to be:

1. Kiev does not take on any (Minsk) obligations which involve peace-making moves.
2. Full blockade (of Donbass).
3. Continue artillery shelling of residential areas of Donbass, kill as many civilians as possible.
4. This in order to make life unbearable in Donbass.
5. The goal is to turn the residents against their leaders, in DPR and LPR.
6. Weaken Russia with sanctions.
7. Planning a military blitzkrieg against Donbass, on the model of the attack of Croatian army against Serbian Krajina.
8. NATO will station troops in Kharkov, Zaporozhie and Dnipropetrovsk.
9. NATO will beef up Ukrainian army and prepare for fatal strike against Donbass.
10. The police state/dictatorship in Ukraine will be strengthened.

marknesop, August 7, 2015 at 5:45 pm

Volodymyr (Ukraine has to spell it differently so they can all high-five each other, the way the British deliberately misspell "tire") Gorbulin is the former National Defense and Security Council (NDSC) Secretary, now a personal adviser to Poroshenko. Looks a right Himmler type.

[Aug 09, 2015] Hillary Clinton State Department Emails, Mexico Energy Reform, and the Revolving Door

Notable quotes:
"... By Steve Horn, a Madison, WI-based Research Fellow for DeSmogBlog and a freelance investigative journalist. He previously was a reporter and researcher at the Center for Media and Democracy. Originally published at DeSmogBlog . ..."
"... Originally stored on a private server , with Clinton and her closest advisors using the server and private accounts, the emails confirm Clinton's State Department helped to break state-owned company Pemex 's (Petroleos Mexicanos) oil and gas industry monopoly in Mexico, opening up the country to international oil and gas companies. And two of the Coordinators helping to make it happen, both of whom worked for Clinton, now work in the private sector and stand to gain financially from the energy reforms they helped create. ..."
"... The appearance of the emails also offers a chance to tell the deeper story of the role the Clinton-led State Department and other powerful actors played in opening up Mexico for international business in the oil and gas sphere. That story begins with a trio. ..."
"... David Goldwyn , who was the first International Energy Coordinator named by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in 2009, sits at the center of the story. As revealed by DeSmog, the State Department redacted the entire job description document for the Coordinator role. ..."
"... The emails show that, on at least one instance, Goldwyn also used his private " [email protected] " (Goldwyn Global Strategies) email address for State Department business. ..."
"... It remains unclear if he used his private or State Department email address on other instances, as only his name appears on the other emails. But Cheryl Mills, a top aide to Secretary Clinton at the time, initiated the email that he responded to on his private account. ..."
naked capitalism
By Steve Horn, a Madison, WI-based Research Fellow for DeSmogBlog and a freelance investigative journalist. He previously was a reporter and researcher at the Center for Media and Democracy. Originally published at DeSmogBlog.

Emails released on July 31 by the U.S. State Department reveal more about the origins of energy reform efforts in Mexico. The State Department released them as part of the once-a-month rolling release schedule for emails generated by former U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, now a Democratic presidential candidate.

Originally stored on a private server, with Clinton and her closest advisors using the server and private accounts, the emails confirm Clinton's State Department helped to break state-owned company Pemex's (Petroleos Mexicanos) oil and gas industry monopoly in Mexico, opening up the country to international oil and gas companies. And two of the Coordinators helping to make it happen, both of whom worked for Clinton, now work in the private sector and stand to gain financially from the energy reforms they helped create.

The appearance of the emails also offers a chance to tell the deeper story of the role the Clinton-led State Department and other powerful actors played in opening up Mexico for international business in the oil and gas sphere. That story begins with a trio.

The Trio

David Goldwyn, who was the first International Energy Coordinator named by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in 2009, sits at the center of the story. As revealed by DeSmog, the State Department redacted the entire job description document for the Coordinator role.

Goldwyn now runs an oil and gas industry consulting firm called Goldwyn Global Strategies, works of counsel as an industry attorney at the law firm Sutherland Asbill & Brennan, and works as a fellow at the industryfunded think tanks Atlantic Council and Brookings Institution.

The emails show that, on at least one instance, Goldwyn also used his private "[email protected] " (Goldwyn Global Strategies) email address for State Department business.

It remains unclear if he used his private or State Department email address on other instances, as only his name appears on the other emails. But Cheryl Mills, a top aide to Secretary Clinton at the time, initiated the email that he responded to on his private account.

[Aug 09, 2015] US pledges $68mn NATO investment into Estonian military

marknesop, August 8, 2015 at 9:28 am
Loathing for Russians is cultivated and encouraged in Estonia by western governments and media; disparaging remarks about Russians are given wide and approving coverage, and if there are any of a more reasonable tone they are unreported. The same throughout the Baltics, really. For some reason, Washington regards them as a highly-important strategic area, probably because it is the most likely trigger for a NATO Article-5 intervention. But, as usual, they only do half the planning, and it is all on the military side. Let's build lots of bases and seed the ground with lots of stored military equipment to fight the Russian bear – but let's do fuck-all to stimulate the economy or compensate the region for loss of a major trading partner. Note the two headlines in the sidebar; "EPP: EU Should Tell Russia, We Are Ready to go to War", and "Latvian PM: If Russia Attacks NATO, the Treaty Will be Enforced". Reorientation of trade flows in the region will further hurt the economies of the Baltics, as well as Black Sea ports.

The effect, then, of Washington's endless meddling in the region will lead to a further and increasing exodus from the region of its population, fed up with the constant scare tactics coupled with economic contraction or stagnation caused by political maneuvering. And you know what? Washington doesn't care. It is gambling everything on being able to grow a regional war and bring Russia to battle while there is still a chance there might be something to save for American trade later.

[Aug 08, 2015]In order to be an imperialist power, the country should have a very powerful financial sector

spartacus, August 6, 2015 at 2:15 am
" I suspect that the simple scale of the dollar value of trading of financial claims on things – trading in which London and New York are dominant – contributes more to the maintenance of the dollar reserve system than you are proposing."

I think so too. One of the necessary conditions for a country to be imperialistic is for it to have ample amounts of financial capital at its disposal. Because I have red commie tendencies, I will point out that Hilferding and Lenin wrote extensively on this subject and even if their works are now outdated, they still give interesting insights on how financial capital is crucial for a country with imperialist tendencies. If anybody is interested Lenin's writings on imperialism, they are available here:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/

This is the reason I find it funny when people speak of "Russian imperialism". In order to be an imperialist power, Russia should, at least, have a very powerful financial sector. And it does not, at least not one that can be compared to the magnitude of the US financial sector. When you look at the list of world's biggest banks, you can see that Russian banks are actually pretty small when compared to their US counterparts.

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetell/2014/01/31/the-100-biggest-banks-in-the-world/

[Aug 08, 2015] U.S. As Corrupt As Russia, Says Former NSA Exec By: Vikas Shukla

August 06, 2015 | valuewalk.com

In: Politics, Russia 41 Comments

Americans believe that Russia is a corrupt country where everyone from the president to regional governors to government officials are flourishing on bribes. Russia has developed corruption into a "fine art," says a book titled "Putin's Kleptocracy: Who Owns Russia?" written by the University of Miami professor Karen Dawisha.

U.S. fares far better than Russia on Corruption Perceptions Index

In the absence of an efficient federal system, regional governors in Russia rule like mobsters. Moscow is also allegedly involved in the massive FIFA scandal. Americans and Europeans believe corruption in Russia is so widespread that when they imposed sanctions against Moscow following the annexation of Crimea, they also targeted "friends of Vladimir Putin" and rich oligarchs.

John McCain has said in the past that Vladimir Putin rules by "corruption, repression, and violence." If you take a look at the Corruption Perceptions Index, the United States in ranked 17th while Russia comes at a distant 136th spot. Does that really mean the U.S. is far less corrupt than Russia? Probably not, says Jerome Israel, a former senior executive at NSA and the FBI.

Jerome said in a column published in The Baltimore Sun that the legislation and behavior of the U.S. political class would open your eyes that the claims against Russia are hypocritical. For instance, last year's Cromnibus bill allows banks to undertake extremely risky investments. And if the banks suffer a huge loss, the American taxpayer gets the bill. Jerome says Congress has sold out the little guy to favor the K-Street lobbyists.

Contrary to Russia, U.S. specializes in 'soft bribes'

Another example is the trade pact currently under consideration by Congress. Details of the legislation are classified, and Americans don't know what's in it. Even a large number of lawmakers in Congress haven't read it. This is Soviet-style of lawmaking, says Jerome Israel.

Recently, CNN reported that at least 78 members of Congress have their family members as federally registered lobbyists. According to congressional watchdog Legistrom, these lobbyists have lobbied contracts worth over $2 billion. While corruption and bribery are prevalent in Russia, the U.S. specializes in "soft bribes." It's like you take care of the lawmakers' families and they will take good care of you. These "pay-to-play" schemes make it hard to understand how American politicians are better than their Russian counterparts.

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[Jul 27, 2015] Mathew D. Rose: The Crisis In Europe Has Only Just Begun

Jul 24, 2015 | nakedcapitalism.com

Ping July 24, 2015 at 11:04 am

Article does great service cutting thru the 'noise'.

I don't know why half billion 'clawback' and hefty penalties from GS isn't demanded for structuring fraudulent accounting in Greece's entry to EU.

Also unaddressed, the 12-14 billion olympic boondoggle that undoubtedly was wildly profitable for a few, leaving the Greek population with abondoned facilities and the bill.

susan the other July 24, 2015 at 11:06 am

Rose is correct. But the EU was doomed from the start. Now the Europeans are deliberating about having formed a political (as in purely political) union, without a viable economic model. We put it just the opposite but the result is the same. The thing that gets me, whether it is Germany or the US, is how holier-than-thou creditors are when the game is up. They seem to have only one religion: IBGYBG. When they are not repaid they pontificate about how irresponsible the debtors are, nevermind a worldwide depression. The main reason the EU was doomed from the start was that it was founded on a growth model that didn't really have legs. It was just a convenient magic show. They shouldn't pretend they didn't see this coming. Already their talk has shifted to saving the Core. Merkel, and probably Hollande, has decided to cut her losses, I'd bet. Save the Core instead of lose the whole unsalvageable mess. In so doing they should write off the debts of the periphery to zero.

Synoia July 24, 2015 at 12:49 pm

The EU was formed to prevent more wars between Germany and France.

This is unlikely:

In so doing they should write off the debts of the periphery to zero.

There appear to be many derivatives which would be triggered by such an event.

susan the other July 24, 2015 at 1:39 pm

nullify them all

paulmeli July 24, 2015 at 4:01 pm

Derivatives create a lot of counter-party risks because the Masters of the Universe™ were selling them to each other to hedge their bets.

Seems to me then that much of the risk is circular and so would cancel itself out. Self-nullifying.

IsabelPS July 24, 2015 at 11:21 am

"This has been a conflict between a small European nation, led by a leftist government, attempting to reassert its autonomy under crushing German predominance. That may sound simplistic, but there is not much more to it."

I've stopped reading here.

salvo July 24, 2015 at 1:45 pm

well, if you lived in germany like I do, you'll make the experience of an everyday propaganda in the mass media including the state owned ones repeating the narrative of the lazy greek.

IsabelPS July 24, 2015 at 3:13 pm

And?

In what way that is a proof of "a small European nation, led by a leftist government, attempting to reassert its autonomy under crushing German predominance"?

salvo July 24, 2015 at 3:59 pm

well, I think it's not wrong to say the Germany is projecting its power on the other nations in the eurozone and that greece loss of sovereignity is a result of such power projection

IsabelPS July 24, 2015 at 6:54 pm

And, of course, there's not much more to it.

Windsock said it well:

"The wealthy Greeks seek to conserve their wealth as much as the wealthy Germans. To devolve this down to nationalistic stereotypes is to play the game of the wealthy. Divide and rule. This article buys into that, big time."

I would say it more bluntly: useful idiots.

norm de plume July 25, 2015 at 2:42 am

Well of course, there is more to it. 'Germany' is part of a transnational neoliberal power elite, even if 'the German people aren't, and it is a central component. Its participation in what has happened to Greece may not have been sufficient, but it was certainly necessary.

If Merkel and Schauble and co had been sensible out loud from January and actually listened to and dealt fairly with Varoufakis, even if the IMF and ECB were hardline, would we be where we are?

And whatever influence the US or her own finance-capilitalists wield over her, ultimately Merkel is voted in or out by constituents. Win them over to a sounder view and she either listens or plans her retirement.

Democratic sovereignty may be virtually dead in Greece, thanks in part to the efforts of Merkel and co, but it is still breathing in powerful nations like Germany.

'To devolve this down to nationalistic stereotypes is to play the game of the wealthy'

That's true. The real issue is the elite, whatever canton they happen to hail from.

To that end you might be interested in a reply I just appended to a comment of yours from a couple of weeks ago, in a discussion on whether Tsipras will do a Blair and end up on the yachts of his erstwhile enemies. You said:

'Which does not mean that he, and Syriza, will not fall into the clientelist trap (some, like Guy Verhofstadt, say they have already started)'

I said 'Well, Guy Verhofstadt certainly knows of which he speaks.

Follow the money. Their money, that is. Not ours.'

That's the enemy of both Germans and Greeks, good or bad, lazy or industrious.

IsabelPS July 25, 2015 at 6:37 pm

I don't doubt it. Guy Verhofstadt also knows a thing or two about inflated governments, as Belgians do.

There is a lot of noise and little information.

German native speaker July 25, 2015 at 2:49 pm

Just today, from FAZ: http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/eurokrise/griechenland/medikamente-griechen-bekommen-fast-nur-teurere-originalarzneien-13719073.html

Who is responsible for Greeks not able to buy cheaper generic pharma drugs? The Greeks, and there are no two ways about it.

Your claim that German mass media depict the Greeks as lazy "on a daily basis" is nothing but propaganda, and obviously easy to do if you conveniently forget to include (or read, or watch) all examples to the contrary. Discussions in Sueddeutsche were often very good, you ever took the time to read them? This programm is publicly financed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QimxVuicZU

Ishmael July 24, 2015 at 11:30 am

There are many things in this article I would disagree with.

Yes, Greece was made to suffer by the French and German banks during the bailout; however, if Greece had really buckled down and changed it probably could have got through this and moved forward.

It is not German's fault that the Greeks have not improved their tax collection. Nope German assistance was kicked out of the country. It was not the Germans who failed to go after past Greek elites. No it was the Greeks. It was not the Germans who constructed an enormous counter productive government bureaucracy in Greece and refused to reform it. It was the Greeks. It was not the Germans who put in an unsustainable pension system and refused to reform it, it was the Greeks. It was not the Germans who have failed to put in place an up to date property system so that the owners (mainly Greek elites) of the property pay their property taxes, and still refused to do this, it was the Greeks.

I saw some report that said approximately $50 billion a year of taxes from Greek elites goes uncollected each year. The problem is Germany and the rest of the EU expected Greece to reform itself when it hit the wall. It has refused to do so. I keep saying, why does the Greek population keep wanting to stay on the Euro. It distrusts its own govt more than the EU.

FedUpPleb July 24, 2015 at 12:26 pm

Yes, Greece was made to suffer by the French and German banks during the bailout; however, if Greece had really buckled down and changed it probably could have got through this and moved forward.

Actually they did. Greece was in a primary surplus at the beginning of this year.

What changed was a new government was elected whom the European powers disapproved of. In league with the ECB, these powers - pincipally Germany - deliberately engineered a bank run in Greece so as to topple theis elected government or bring it into line. There is no other explanation.

This is not the Europe most europeans ever signed up for. It is the end of the EU as a political project as far as I, what some other assorted cranks, but now an alarmingly new number of ordinary commentators have concluded.

The elites and assorted Quis across the continent will continue to laud and implement the new German and neoliberal coup. But don't expect the general population to be pleased about it.

Yves Smith Post authorJuly 24, 2015 at 4:13 pm

*Sigh*

The bank run was underway before Syriza came into office. It's fair to say that the ECB took measures to make it worse (giving only minimal ELA increases) but it's not accurate to depict them as its sole cause. It's more akin to fanning flames.

The creditor conduct has been terrible. There's no need to overegg the pudding. It only hurts the credibility of critics.

Synoia July 24, 2015 at 1:36 pm

It is not American's fault that the Americans have not improved their tax collection.

It was not the Americans who failed to go after past American elites.

paulmeli July 24, 2015 at 4:08 pm

It doesn't matter much at this point whose fault it is…the obstinance in dealing with the problem will ensure that the Euro system fails catastrophically.

It would be hard to make an argument that the Greeks were responsible for that outcome. Any system that can be brought down by it's weakest member is a very poor system indeed.

TheCatSaid July 24, 2015 at 4:32 pm

Wasn't it the Greek elites who had the agency to make these changes, but chose to protect their own interests instead? Like what is happening in the USA?

In each case what is needed is to create genuinely democratic power structures. Maybe the broader populace needed to see things really fall apart, before taking up the mantle of taking responsibility to create something new that is capable of moving things forward in a constructive way for the people at large.

Ishmael July 24, 2015 at 5:18 pm

The elites (and this includes many ex-junta members) have controlled the govt since late 70's. The people have gone along with this because crumbs have been handed out to the people while the elites were stealing the country blind. One of the big backers of Syrzia is govt workers. They and the elites do not want govt reforms. Change will not come until it is forced upon them.

My first reaction to the new deal (my wife is Greek and I am around lots of Greeks) is basically that Germany was annexing the country but later as I thought about it I decided maybe that is a good thing. The Greek people have not been able to have a functioning country for 30 years. It is ranked as the most corrupt place in Europe and also one of the hardest countries in Europe to open a business.

JTMcPhee July 25, 2015 at 9:18 am

One can be sure that "the Greeks," like the Czechs maybe, ought to cheer the victory of their new masters. In the New Libertarian vein, you only got what you ( or the Government-Like Organization you as a weak little individual and serf-able mope must perforce become attached to) can Take and then Hold against the other Galtian Enterprises.

So it's the case, then, that Friedmania has flattened the earth so completely that the armies of Bidness can send the tanks and JU-87s and F-16s in a clean, bloody sweep over the Lowlands… Interesting that backward tribespeople in places like Afghanistan (our name for that collection) have resisted the actual tanks, preserving their identities as, e.g., Pashto, while happily soaking up the bribes and floods of corruption, pallets of $100 bills and Viagra and stuff…

Moneta July 24, 2015 at 10:23 pm

The blame is circular. Germany knew Greece restructured its debt to enter the zone.

As for the generous pensions, I keep on scratching my head wondering how many would consider 10k generous if they were receiving it. Money value is not the only measure of the size of a pension. One must look at what it buys. And frankly, they seem to consume way less resources than we do here in Canada.

windsock July 24, 2015 at 11:35 am

Any excuse to avoid getting on with it?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11761028/Greek-bail-out-talks-delayed-by-Troika-security-fears.html

MyLessThanPrimeBeef July 24, 2015 at 1:04 pm

Maybe they can meet inside a NATO base?

windsock July 24, 2015 at 11:49 am

I was one of those people who, in my youth, welcomed the EEC, then EC, then EU, from the shores of Old Blighty, hoping and believing it would tie us in to a balancing power against the US and USSR (giving my age away). I bought into that "preventing war" schtick.

Now I realise that they didn't want to prevent war because of its effects upon the populations who fought and suffered it. Now, watching Greece (and my own government), I can see that the reason they wanted to prevent war is because war destroys wealth. It is wealth, above all else, that all governments of the world, now seek to conserve.

The wealthy Greeks seek to conserve their wealth as much as the wealthy Germans. To devolve this down to nationalistic stereotypes is to play the game of the wealthy. Divide and rule. This article buys into that, big time.

William C July 24, 2015 at 1:12 pm

It is unfair to cast aspersions on the intentions of a dead generation on the grounds of the behaviour of their grandchildrens' generation. Monnet and Schumann were active 60 to 70 years ago.

Although British myself, I had French relations (now dead) who were passionate about uniting Europe precisely on the grounds that they wanted no repetition of the slaughter and rapine which traumatised their lives. There are no grounds for supposing that they were insincere and motivated by concern for their (often trivial) personal possessions.

Windsock July 24, 2015 at 2:03 pm

I am not casting aspersions on the people. I am saying that maybe we, the people have been duped? Or maybe, good causes get hijacked as a vehicle of convenience by others with different intentions?

Linus Huber July 24, 2015 at 8:31 pm

It often happens that cause and effect are set in incorrect order. The creation of the EC in this form was simply possible due to a peaceful period experienced during that time but has little real effect on peace itself what its main objective is supposed to be.

On another level I do not like the above article at all. It is exactly the worst way that nationalism is used to divert attention from the failure of the power hungry elite to the seemingly inappropriate conduct of people of another nation. It is a dangerous development and shows that the unsustainable policies of individual governments may be in trouble.

On the aspect of racism we have to differentiate. It is normal that one feels more comfortable with persons of the same background/culture/language etc. and therefore favors those in his personal choices which is part of the individual's freedom. The line is to be drawn when someone ACTS against another race/person of different background or culture where the word racism is appropriate. To now use the German's sentiment towards Greece as prove of being racist is completely inappropriate except when the believe that someone can endlessly live above his own means is completely ingrained in the mind set. We all have sentiments in that we mostly believe our culture/way of life etc. is somehow a bid superior to others' culture for defining one's identity and we generally do not appreciate that our "negative" character attributes are blown out of proportion.

Synoia July 24, 2015 at 1:37 pm

The Road to Hell is Paved with Good Intentions.

MyLessThanPrimeBeef July 24, 2015 at 6:26 pm

The other road to Hell is paved with bad intentions.

At times, it seems all roads lead to Hell.

Jim July 24, 2015 at 12:45 pm

As many of the remarks in this thread concerning the shortcoming of various European populations demonstrate, Europe lacks any sense of common identity. Europe is not a community and Europeans are not a people. A unified Europe might be ruled by force as a multicultural empire like the Ottoman Empire but the notion of a United States of Europe is utter fantasy.

c wenn July 24, 2015 at 4:25 pm

Thank You… I've spent a bunch of time in Europe, and all the above generalizations are more true than not.

However, Greek and Italian government is so corrupt, so sleazy, and so unlike the German system, that it's been pretty well accepted that tax evasion is a way of life there. Germany has its bad apples, but not anywhere near the kind of corruption you see in the PIIGS…. and yes, that's probably a sly acronym.

BUT – however colorful and memorable my stays in Italy [north or south], Greece, or even Spain – I would rather have Swiss, Belgian, German or even French neighbors. Sorry… there IS a difference in these peoples, if only in the overall flavor of their respective countries.

The Swiss are niggardly so and so's… and every time I'm there I curse their petty, judgmental, xenophobic ways…. but Switzerland will be a better place to live and prosper for it.

There is something to be said about grumpy old white people…. they make the neighborhood better. And safer.

sorry… but these conversations are going to have to be had as the world is awash in migratory peoples… some who are overwhelming their environments are not who we want moving in…. sorry… Hamilton's Rule

why oh why can't we have the necessary discussion about over population, migratory populations… and who and how many can play?

It's coming to all of you… and I don't care how lofty the rhetoric, there IS a difference between cultures. I would rather have Swiss neighbors than Hmong.

MyLessThanPrimeBeef July 24, 2015 at 6:44 pm

In general, a Swiss would rather have Swiss neighbors, a Hmong Hmong neighbors, a Martian Martian neighbors.

But as you say, not everyone is the same.

Take, for example, Bilbo Baggins.

He likes to venture out and hang around stranger creatures, like men, elves, wizards, etc.

Generally speaking, pardon the generalization, but people usually don't like to migrate to strange new places, unless their homes have been destroyed (or captured as slaves/indentured laborers)…not even to make more money. They rather their home nation grow more prosperous, so they can make more money at home…generally speaking.

Jim July 24, 2015 at 7:01 pm

Not to even mention foreigners there is little love lost between German, French and Italian Swiss. Xenophobia is a basic Swiss principle just as it is for say the Japanese.

Hans Suter July 25, 2015 at 2:30 am

Mr. Rose's contribution creates a relaxed ambiente in which a wide garden variety of small and large racism thrives. What about facts about xenophobic Switzerland ? Here a few: "With more than 20% of the population resident aliens, Switzerland has one of the highest ratios of non-naturalized inhabitants in Europe (comparable to the Netherlands; roughly twice the ratio of Germany). In 2003, 35,424 residents were naturalized, a number exceeding net population growth. Over the 25-year period of 1983 to 2007, 479,264 resident foreigners were naturalized, yearly numbers rising gradually from below 10,000 (0.1%) in the 1980s to above 40,000 (0.6%) in the 2000s.[16] Compare the figure of 0.2% (140,795) in the United Kingdom (2004).["

Linus Huber July 25, 2015 at 4:17 pm

@ Hans

Thanks to put the matter in proper perspective. It is not a matter of being xenophobic but rather a matter of volume, size and sustainability. Switzerland has a strong tradition to welcome real refugees and to ignore the mentioned circumstances by people who may belong to a nation whose government may be responsible for many bad policies implemented worldwide that contributed to a large degree to the present disorder is a faulty logic. But again, the blame game between nationalities and nations is exactly the wrong way to go but is the preferred choice by governments and the elite to divert the attention from their failures.

Jim July 24, 2015 at 6:51 pm

"Culture" is the epiphenomenal shadow of polynucleotides.

Barry Fay July 25, 2015 at 9:05 am

Boy do you have that wrong! You don´t mean "neighbors" at all. You mean "prosperity" and that you would rather live in a prosperous place than a poor one. I can only pity you. You have simply swallowed the kool-aid that capitalism preaches about "happiness". Both the Germans (I live in Berlin) and the Swiss are the unhappiest people I´ve ever been around. And the happiest? I´d have to say the Cubans! They know how to ENJOY LIFE.

JTMcPhee July 24, 2015 at 12:46 pm

What's with the persistent, insistent, often inconsistent turn to personification/reification/hypostatization in what purports to be "sophisticated and informed analysis" of complex intersections and interactions and interrelations? Is "Greece" a useful category, or "Germany," or "The US," when it comes to trying to keep the species alive? Or is that latter notion not really part of the goal at all?

TheCatSaid July 24, 2015 at 4:36 pm

I can't imagine any EU meeting starting with a request to consider what is needed to keep the species alive.

Linus Huber July 25, 2015 at 4:24 pm

@ JTMcPhee

An excellent question.

One might need to differentiate between the interest of the people and the interest of the governments. The government's interest might in many cases not be what serves the people best but what ensures and enhances their own power.

Generalfeldmarschall von Hindenburg July 24, 2015 at 1:34 pm

These historical episodes always remind me of Terence McKenna's dictum that 'Culture is not your friend'. These 'Germans/Greeks/English are mean/kind/clueless/uncivilized…' are all notions generated by cultural baggage that all peoples carry.
There are a lot of issues coming to a head in the Greek econonomic debacle. It's a real shame that the EU institutions can't seem to find a way to ameliorate conditions for the common people in Greece and maybe inflict a little suffering on the knaves and fools of various nationalities who brought Greece to this pass. But supranational institutions these days are all tailored to cater to the comfort of an internationalist elite that transcends ethnicity. They have their own culture and it involves laughing at you while peeing off a cliff on your head.

Synoia July 24, 2015 at 1:47 pm

Two points:

First, I'm astonished at the speed with which the cultural stereotypes have returned in public discourse. "Good German, Lazy Greek, Arrogant German, Junker, etc"

Thus I fear war. Dehumanizing others with labels is the start of a series of excuses to start killing.

Second, War has become so profitable (for some), and the epithet 'War Profiteer," whihc if issued when I was young was about the worst epithet which could be slung at another, has lost its power to shame, and now appears as a medal of achievement aka: Defense Industry CEO.

salvo July 24, 2015 at 1:56 pm

yes, you're right, but living in Germany I experience such kind of generalizations everyday, the narrative of the lazy greek has become common sense

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c wenn July 24, 2015 at 4:28 pm

I am sick to death of tip toeing around the reality of how GENERALIZATIONS get to be truths.

They are more truthful than not.. and never fair to the individual.

But we are highly selective in our outrage. THAT is what steams me.

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German native speaker July 25, 2015 at 5:53 pm

What you are bringing to the discussion are generalizations, and instead of the Greeks being badmouthed, you are badmouthing Germans. Same exact thing.

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Brian M July 24, 2015 at 2:08 pm

General Smedley Butler's "War is a Racket" remains a definitive (and delightfully simple) polemic on this very topic, Synoia.

That and the classic Black Sabbath song "War Pigs"!

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vidimi July 24, 2015 at 2:25 pm

imo, war between any of the eu states seems inconceivable in the next decade. of course, the political landscapes can change quickly, but europeans have always held stereotypes of each other. a case in point is the joke about european heaven and hell from years back: european heaven: the french are the cooks, the germans the mechanics, the british the police, the italians the lovers, and it's all organised by the swiss. european hell: the british are the cooks, the french the mechanics, the swiss the lovers, the germans the police and it's all organised by the italians.

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Jim July 24, 2015 at 2:47 pm

The present borders in Eastern Europe which were drawn up by Stalin at the end of WWII are fundamentally unstable.

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OpenThePodBayDoorsHAL July 24, 2015 at 5:23 pm

European (and world) war is already in full swing, it's financial. So much easier to pursue without all those messy flag-draped coffins to hide at the airport, the Pulitzer shots of crying babies, or the CNN live feeds of missile strikes destroying buildings. It's a casino, and we are the chips.

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MyLessThanPrimeBeef July 24, 2015 at 6:49 pm

Financial wars are less messy or not as gory, but can be more lethal.

Non-violence* kills.

*We think of physical violence as the only kind of violence. So, when I say non-violence, it could mean mental violence (which is not physical violence).

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craazyman July 24, 2015 at 5:35 pm

they're just trying to refill your beer, is that so bad?

It must be the wind . . . .

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VietnamVet July 24, 2015 at 2:15 pm

The article is true. The Eurozone is a dead man walking. The fault line between the Western and Greek Orthodox cultures is real. The article is wrong in sense that like almost all working journalists he is a handmaiden to the Davos Elite. The oligarchs are the ones pushing debt. They then suck the debtors dry till dead. Exploiting ethnic hatreds furthers their crimes.

Class Warfare is very 19th century. Today we have plunder capitalism. Plutocrats and their servants robbing everyone else. This is oblivious to corporate media.

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paulmeli July 24, 2015 at 4:13 pm

Robber baron financier Jay Gould quipped "I can hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half".

Same as it ever was.

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EmilianoZ July 24, 2015 at 3:04 pm

Germany is back to its good old self. The atonement period is over, folks. As the French say: chassez le naturel, il revient au galop. And the more repressed it was, the more virulent the come back.

Emmanuel Todd gives some clues as to what the new Reich might look like:

https://www.les-crises.fr/translation-germanys-fast-hold-on-the-european-continent-by-emmanuel-todd/

It's not very different to what Doktor Schaeubble is supposed to have planned according to an article in the links some time ago. In addition, Doktor Schaeubble wants Slovakia too. An old ally from Barbarossa must not be forgotten.

Emmanuel Todd thinks the UK is in the process of escaping by leaving the EU altogether (I think there's a referendum on that). He has put France in gray denoting "voluntary servitude". I'm sure the French elite wants to be collaborators, like in the old times (Sartre said that was the reason the French army collapsed so rapidly). The French people probably want out and join the Club Med.

I wouldn't mind a euro north and a euro south. There's nothing to visit up north but if the currency becomes cheaper, it would make visiting France, Italy and Spain very attractive.

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Dean Plassaras July 24, 2015 at 3:20 pm

Well written and formulated.

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john c. halasz July 24, 2015 at 3:31 pm

Deutschland raus! This ought to be the marching slogan of every truly democratically minded citizen in Europe, no matter how strange the ideological alliances. It has been remarked by many economists over the years, most recently by that former IMF guy, that having Germany leave the Euro and return to the DM would be the cleanest, least disruptive and fairest way to resolve the Euro-crisis.

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Steve H. July 24, 2015 at 5:27 pm

Excellent comments about implicit racism, nationalism, ismism. Not necessarily mutually exclusive.

What is the degree of homogeneity in a culture? Is it in the DNA, like lactose intolerance? Is it a product of circumstance, sea-farers in antithesis to mountain dwellers? Does it scale with size?

In smaller groups with a survival mentality, non-compliance may be ruthlessly selected out, with compliance being actions we might consider superstitious or abhorrent. Urban living requires a skill set which starts to look like a global culture, as long as the three billion people cooking on three-stone fires are peripheralized.

Here's what I know. When I hear or read about what America is doing in the world, I remember that a quarter of a million people were in a single protest march against the wars in 2003 and it didn't mean shit. That our government routinely does actions that over 2/3 of the population does not support. That corporations are both not people and 'not people'.

There is a difference between homogeneity and agency. When those with agency in Germany attempted to create a master race, they created a cultural identity that those looking at Germans can never forget.

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craazyman July 24, 2015 at 5:45 pm

A little FDI would solve the whole problem. Where is it?

Wasn't it supposed to have been here by now? This is like JEB Stuart at Gettysburg. Where is he? (Sorry for the Civil War allusion, it's too abstract, since he did show up. Evidently he liked to roam around the countryside.).

Where is FDI? Where is it roaming? Where is it? It must be sitting in a pile somewhere, like baseballs, or tennis balls. Is it at the ECB? Is it in Germany? Where the hell is it? it must be a big pile by now. Can't somebody see it protruding above a horizon like the Matterhorn? Oh! maybe it's in Switzerland! maybe it's in a Swiss Bank! No. There's too much of it. It wouldn't fit. It has to be somewhere - or maybe it's spread out all over the place. Maybe it's so spread out it's lost it "congealiality". Oh man. That's a property of FDI. It doesn't work if it's only a euro or two. It has to congeal. Evidently it can't be too spred out or all in one place. If it's all in one place, it's a big pile and it's useless, since it congeals and hardens like glue. If it's too spread out, it loses all congealiality. This sounds like a chemistry problem. It may be.

Where the hell is it? I've not seen one macroeconomics article on the interet that says where the FDI is. Not one. (Although maybe I haven't looked hard enough. That's certainly a possibility).

Maybe it's coming "soon".

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BEast July 24, 2015 at 9:37 pm

Very interesting article. I would like more background on the campaign of condemnation of Gutmenschen - on what basis were they condemned? "Impracticality"? Failure to get on board with various Eurozone proposals? EU skepticism? General lack of sociopathy?

How was the campaign orchestrated, and by whom?

(This is obviously the first I've heard of it.)

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mesfern July 25, 2015 at 5:28 am

I believe Rose is referring to a controversy about the possible origin of the expression "Gutmenschen" in Nazi lingo. It became popular in the late 90s after the publication of a "Dictionary of the Gutmenschen", by satirist Klaus Bittermann, which mocked many instances of self-righteousness in Germany's public life. With time, however, it came to target the Left and "Political Correctness" in particular; thus, a "Gutmensch" would be a do-gooder who supported all kinds of progressive causes, from feminism to environmentalism, but had no knowledge of the hard facts of life (that is, the business world). Eventually, a journalism association traced the expression back to a few Nazi leaflets; it was hardly conclusive evidence, but enough to blow things out of proportion and start another culture battle. At its most erudite, it was related to the Weberian opposition between the Gutmensch's ethics of conviction and the ethics of responsibility; at its most tribal, the "Gutmensch" became an umbrella term for everything inimical to the methods and the aims of the Right. Hence, one can have "Gutmenschen issues", "Gutmenschen arguments", "Gutmenschen politics". When used by the Right, it is a strongly derogatory expression, very hostile and openly dismissive.

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German native speaker July 25, 2015 at 2:09 pm

There was no campaign ever.

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salvo July 25, 2015 at 3:47 am

I don't understand what the problem is about: saying Germans are racists would be a generalization if the sentence means each individual german is a racist, but I think it points to a structural fact, that the mainstream public discourse in germany, and certainly in many other countries, is driven by the need to constitute a collective identity where the german is somewhat superior to the other. You just need to live here in Germany and listen to the everyday discourse, most people are not explicit racists, but they tend to assign positive attributes to themselves in constituting that collective identity while at the same time assigning the opposite negative attribute to another collective identity, we are diligent, trustworthy, thrifty and so on because some other, i.e. the Greek, are exactly the opposite, lazy, untrustworthy, profligate. The people who constitute themselves this way don't think as themselves as racists, because being racist is a negative trait in the public discourse. It is simply a fact that the mainstream public discourse in Germany is full of such stereotypes, positive for themselves and negative for the other (not only in tabloids like bild but in the so-called Qualitätspresse, even in the fee-financed state media.) This process is amplified by the fact that Germany has become the hegemonic power in Europe. Projecting one's power needs an ideological discourse which legitimates the unavoidable violence linked to this process, so if the Greeks are impoverished, disenfranchised in the process of power projection, then this has to be morally justified, usually by ascribing inferiority.

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Windsock July 25, 2015 at 4:24 am

I think my issue with this is that someone who is not German is heavily insinuating that the German nation is "reverting to type". Phrases like " a primordial fear" suggest there is a fixed reference in the very nature of those who speak German that is incapable of change or challenge. I would dispute that.

But then the very existence of the nation state is defined by those cultural commons that others do not share – language, religion, governance etc – and who is ever going to define themselves as inferior to anyone else?

Much of the early EU history was built on predicating the subsidiarity of the nation state to the continental whole. It has morphed, in my view, into a tool for the trans/multi-national globalist wealthy and the result is the playing off of nation states against each other, in both economic and cultural terms. I think this article is complicit in that.

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James Miller July 25, 2015 at 1:51 pm

During my university studies in Sociology, I was always amazed at the endless pressure to refrain from judging culture-only record it, dissect it (in a non judgmental way, of course), and teach the fragments left over to the next crop of undergrads. A museum of culture, poorly displayed and heavily redacted.
Judgement is required, or it's all useless.
There are such things as sick cultures, and it's not very difficult to find reasonable criteria to identify them.
One cannot, for the purposes of solving problems of the sort that we debate here, ignore this fact.
Tax theft as a cultural norm is a reality in Greece, and it cannot be the basis of an accusation of racism to point this out.
Greek culture, no matter how rich in history, literature and art, contains elements that make it non-viable in even the medium run, and the national sport of tax theft is only one of many of them.
It is equally clear, now, that the same is true of the "European Union".

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German native speaker July 25, 2015 at 1:59 pm

It is interesting to me that Mr. Rose wanted the comments open. He lives in Berlin, and has been described as an investigative journalist (http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/gesellschaft/mathew-d-rose-der-investigator-von-berlin-a-321596.html). I don't see much investigative journalism in the above piece. In his books, Rose's career consists of mainly criticizing the country that he chose as his residence. Yet some commenters claim that there is no "freedom" in Germany – go figure. Would be interesting to know if he collected money from the state that he loathes.
Lving in Berlin, there is ample possibility to talk to Polish people and other Eastern Europeans. Not done in above article, and this should be easy, living there. There are so many yuppy-like people who used illegal Polish laborers to fix up their Prenzlauer Berg/ Kreuzberg properties – this comes to mind.

Not sure what Mr. Rose's agenda is – sounds as if he wants to elicit emotional responses from foreigners, about the awfulness of Germans as such. Sorry you have to live amongst them.

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Gaylord July 25, 2015 at 5:41 pm

This is not merely Germany vs. Greece, but rather the Western Banking Cabal asserting heightened control over the economies of the world, particularly those nations which depend on the dollar and the euro for trade. The reason for the austerity policy, aside from unbridled greed (class war), is the fact of Peak Resources which means increasing scarcity into the future - energy, raw materials, food, water. The oligarchs are also preparing for Climate Chaos which they anticipate will be infinitely costly. They expect record-breaking losses and repair costs from storm damage, drought, wildfires, floods and sea level rise, crop losses, fishery collapses, and health care costs resulting from Fukushima's poisons that have been spreading through oceans and the air during the last four + years. The cost of disposing of all the dead human remains will also be a challenge, as the Great Extinction event proceeds.

[Jul 27, 2015] The F Story about the Great Inflation

Jul 27, 2015 | Economist's View
The Rage said...

I love "great inflation" discussions. Outside 1968-early 82 period when inflation was decelerating from high levels, inflation has been fairly steady from the modern FED system in 1951 to 2015. It was like a shot in the dark.

I always go by some Keynesian theories that excessive growth caused by fighting proxy wars during the cold war in Korea and Vietnam caused excessive national growth that lead to eventually shortages in capital and excessive wage growth so business raised prices to slow down the economy.

ilsm said in reply to The Rage...

The US debt is fully $10T less than the $28T cold war tab.

You get the negative impact of wars, but miss the point.

Guns and butter. You cannot have both. The pentagon trough [plus much of the other 5% of GDP for federal welfare to 'capitalists' like Elon Musk] is too heavy to tote.

Inflation from LBJ through Reagan was a band aid to get some butter while the pentagon troughers gobbled up resources to airily blow things up pillaging coca cola and blue jeans from the butter 'side'.

Cold war [war on Saudi/Sunni fostered terrists is continued cold war troughing] has depleted the US common since 1947, less a few years when Clinton actually paid off some of the war debt.

Matt Young said...

While we are on the subject, lets ask. What is the likelihood that Simon even advances the theory of information by one bit? We know the experts, the count is about ten to twenty, many of them having their stuff posted on this blog. Does anyone believe that Simon discovered a new secret?

ilsm said in reply to Matt Young...

Ask the wrong questions you get the wrong answer you seek.

likbez said...

"Ask the wrong questions you get the wrong answer you seek."

That reminds me neoliberal discourse about corruption and all those dances about "governance" (aka organizing political and economic life along market mechanisms) that neoliberal are pushing.

It's simply amazing how neoliberals managed to brainwash public using pseudo-science, mathiness and obscure terminology. Using bottom feeders like Friedman, Feldstein, Mishkin, John Taylor, Greg Mankiw etc.

Those stooges of financial oligarchy even managed to explain corruption as the rent-seeking behavior of individual public servants not as a key, immanent feature of neoliberal accumulation of capital.

/greece. /guardian_slips. Polit*/ Neocolon*/ /predator_state. /imf_and_debt /disaster_capitalism. Propaganda/

[Jul 26, 2015]Greece, [yet another] the Sacrificial Lamb

"...these policy debates are really about ideology and power."
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"...special interests, in and out of the country, are using the troika to get what they could not have obtained by more democratic processes."
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"...The battle, however, is not just about Greece. It's not even just about the money, although special interests in the rest of Europe and some within Greece itself have taken advantage of the troika to push their own interests at the expense of ordinary Greek citizens and the country's overall economy. This is something I saw repeatedly firsthand when I was at the World Bank, most noticeably in Indonesia. When a country is down, there is all manner of mischief that can be done."
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"...One underlying problem in Greece, in both its economy and its politics, is the role of a group of wealthy people who control key sectors, including banks and the media, collectively referred to as the Greek oligarchs."
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"...More likely than not, though, the troika will do what it has done for the last five years: Blame the victim."
JOSEPH E. STIGLITZ
Jul 25, 2015 | The New York Times

As I read the details, I had a sense of déjà vu. As chief economist of the World Bank in the late 1990s, I saw firsthand in East Asia the devastating effects of the programs imposed on the countries that had turned to the I.M.F. for help. This resulted not just from austerity but also from so-called structural reforms, where too often the I.M.F. was duped into imposing demands that favored one special interest relative to others. There were hundreds of conditions, some little, some big, many irrelevant, some good, some outright wrong, and most missing the big changes that were really required.

Back in 1998 in Indonesia, I saw how the I.M.F. ruined that country's banking system. I recall the picture of Michel Camdessus, the managing director of the I.M.F. at the time, standing over President Suharto as Indonesia surrendered its economic sovereignty. At a meeting in Kuala Lumpur in December 1997, I warned that there would be bloodshed in the streets within six months; the riots broke out five months later in Jakarta and elsewhere in Indonesia. Both before and after the crisis in East Asia, and those in Africa and in Latin America (most recently, in Argentina), these programs failed, turning downturns into recessions, recessions into depressions. I had thought that the lesson from these failures had been well learned, so it came as a surprise that Europe, beginning a half-decade ago, would impose this same stiff and ineffective program on one of its own.

Whether or not the program is well implemented, it will lead to unsustainable levels of debt, just as a similar approach did in Argentina: The macro-policies demanded by the troika will lead to a deeper Greek depression. That's why the I.M.F.'s current managing director, Christine Lagarde, said that there needs to be what is euphemistically called "debt restructuring" - that is, in one way or another, a write-off of a significant portion of the debt. The troika program is thus incoherent: The Germans say there is to be no debt write-off and that the I.M.F. must be part of the program. But the I.M.F. cannot participate in a program in which debt levels are unsustainable, and Greece's debts are unsustainable.

Austerity is largely to blame for Greece's current depression - a decline of gross domestic product of 25 percent since 2008, an unemployment rate of 25 percent and a youth unemployment rate twice that. But this new program ratchets the pressure up still further: a target of 3.5 percent primary budget surplus by 2018 (up from around 1 percent this year). Now, if the targets are not met, as they almost surely won't be because of the design of the program itself, additional doses of austerity become automatic. It's a built-in destabilizer. The high unemployment rate will drive down wages, but the troika does not seem satisfied by the pace of the lowering of Greeks' standard of living. The third memorandum also demands the "modernization" of collective bargaining, which means weakening unions by replacing industry-level bargaining.

None of this makes sense even from the perspective of the creditors. It's like a 19th-century debtors' prison. Just as imprisoned debtors could not make the income to repay, the deepening depression in Greece will make it less and less able to repay.

Structural reforms are needed, just as they were in Indonesia, but too many that are being demanded have little to do with attacking the real problems Greece faces. The rationale behind many of the key structural reforms has not been explained well, either to the Greek public or to economists trying to understand them. In the absence of such an explanation, there is a widespread belief here in Greece that special interests, in and out of the country, are using the troika to get what they could not have obtained by more democratic processes.

Consider the case of milk. Greeks enjoy their fresh milk, produced locally and delivered quickly. But Dutch and other European milk producers would like to increase sales by having their milk, transported over long distances and far less fresh, appear to be just as fresh as the local product. In 2014 the troika forced Greece to drop the label "fresh" on its truly fresh milk and extend allowable shelf life. Now it is demanding the removal of the five-day shelf-life rule for pasteurized milk altogether. Under these conditions, large-scale producers believe they can trounce Greece's small-scale producers.

In theory, Greek consumers would benefit from the lower prices, even if they suffered from lower quality. In practice, the new retail market is far from competitive, and early indications are that the lower prices were largely not passed on to consumers. My own research has long focused on the importance of information and how firms often try to take advantage of the lack of information. This is just another instance.

One underlying problem in Greece, in both its economy and its politics, is the role of a group of wealthy people who control key sectors, including banks and the media, collectively referred to as the Greek oligarchs. They are the ones who resisted the changes that George Papandreou, the former prime minister, tried to introduce to increase transparency and to force greater compliance with a more progressive tax structure. The important reforms that would curb the Greek oligarchs are largely left off the agenda - not a surprise since the troika has at times in the past seemed to have been on their side.

As it became clear early on in the crisis that the Greek banks would have to be recapitalized, it made sense to demand voting shares for the Greek government. This was necessary to ensure that politically influenced lending, including to the oligarchic media, be stopped. When such connected lending resumed - even to media companies that on strictly commercial terms should not have gotten loans - the troika turned a blind eye. It has also been quiescent as proposals were put forward to roll back the important initiatives of the Papandreou government on transparency and e-government, which dramatically lowered drug prices and put a damper on nepotism.

Normally, the I.M.F. warns of the dangers of high taxation. Yet in Greece, the troika has insisted on high effective tax rates even at very low income levels. All recent Greek governments have recognized the importance of increasing tax revenues, but mistaken tax policy can help destroy an economy. In an economy where the financial system is not functioning well, where small- and medium-size enterprises can't get access to credit, the troika is demanding that Greek firms, including mom and pop stores, pay all of their taxes ahead of time, at the beginning of the year, before they have earned it, before they even know what their income is going to be. The requirement is intended to reduce tax evasion, but in the circumstances in which Greece finds itself, it destroys small business and increases resentment of both the government and the troika.

This requirement seems at odds, too, with another of the demands with which Greece has been confronted: that it eliminate its cross-border withholding tax, which is the withholding tax on money sent from Greece to foreign investors. Such withholding taxes are a feature of good tax systems in countries like Canada and are a critical part of tax collection. Evidently, it is less important to ensure that foreigners pay their taxes than that Greeks do.

There are many other strange features of the troika bailout packages, in part because each member of the troika has its favorite medicine. As doctors warn, there can be dangerous interactions. The battle, however, is not just about Greece. It's not even just about the money, although special interests in the rest of Europe and some within Greece itself have taken advantage of the troika to push their own interests at the expense of ordinary Greek citizens and the country's overall economy. This is something I saw repeatedly firsthand when I was at the World Bank, most noticeably in Indonesia. When a country is down, there is all manner of mischief that can be done.

But these policy debates are really about ideology and power. We all know that. And we understand that this is not just an academic debate between the left and the right. Some on the right focus on the political battle: the harsh conditions imposed on the left-wing Syriza government should be a warning to any in Europe about what might happen to them should they push back. Some focus on the economic battle: the opportunity to impose on Greece an economic framework that could not have been adopted any other way.

I believe strongly that the policies being imposed will not work, that they will result in depression without end, unacceptable levels of unemployment and ever growing inequality. But I also believe strongly in democratic processes - that the way to achieve whatever framework one thinks is good for the economy is through persuasion, not compulsion. The force of ideas is so much against what is being inflicted on and demanded of Greece. Austerity is contractionary; inclusive capitalism - the antithesis of what the troika is creating - is the only way to create shared and sustainable prosperity.

For now, the Greek government has capitulated. Perhaps, as the lost half decade becomes the lost decade, as the politics get uglier, as the evidence mounts that these policies have failed, the troika will come to its senses. Greece needs debt restructuring, better structural reforms and more reasonable primary budget surplus targets. More likely than not, though, the troika will do what it has done for the last five years: Blame the victim.

Joseph E. Stiglitz is a Nobel laureate in economics, a professor at Columbia and the author, most recently, of "The Great Divide: Unequal Societies and What We Can Do About Them."

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pieceofcake -> konstanz germany 3 hours ago

'One underlying problem in Greece, in both its economy and its politics, is the role of a group of wealthy people who control key sectors, including banks and the media, collectively referred to as the Greek oligarchs.'

Thank you - as it was the Oligarchic system which ruined Greece and perhaps it could have been mentioned in this article - how much money these Oligarchs moved out of the country into foreign bank accounts - and if you have been in Athens you probably had Greeks telling you, that with this money in Greece there would be no need for another bailout.

And for sure the debt - which is more or less the main 'incentive' for Greece to reform - should be forgiven - and the other European nations will agree to another 'haircut' AFTER the reforms are implemented - and you might be able to trust such a prediction - as all our predictions about the Greece Crisis -(documented by the published comments in the NYT) have come true.

And it is a very welcome change of the narrative by progressive US economists - that at least the distructive role of the Greek Oligarchs is recognized. It comes up late in the article and the suggestion - the troika seemed to be at times on their side is probably as unfair as the idea that progressive US economists have been on the Oligrachs side.

As from the beginning of the crisis it was rarely mentioned by US economists. They built a narrative all about 'austerity' insted of 'money for reforms' or a working taxation system for Greece!

[Jul 26, 2015]The great Greece fire sale

"... "Privatisation in Greece right now means a fire sale," political economist Jens Bastian said."
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"...The Guardian is not the paper you think it is... or would like it to be.
Even if its support for the previous Coalition government wasn't clear enough, the nature of its coverage of Russia, Greece, and lately the Corbyn candidacy, very obviously reveals its true loyalties."

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"... Privatization will make the Greek economy look like Russia. Mafia State 2.0. The cost of everything will rise as the profiteers stripmine any assets left after the sellout of the Greek people. Those assets deemed unprofitable will be dumped onto the bankrupt state government. Your last paragraph is neocon boilerplate and simply doesn't apply in a situation where pirates move in to clean the bones of their victims. "
July 24, 2015 | The Guardian

Greece needs to sell off €50bn worth of state assets such as airports and marinas quickly as part of its third bailout deal. But is such a plan realistic?

In the early days of the Greek debt crisis, two German politicians came up with a radical solution: Greece should sell off some of its uninhabited islands and property to pay back its creditors. "Sell your islands you bankrupt Greeks! And sell the Acropolis too!" was how the German tabloid Bild summed up their idea.

While selling off ancient monuments was never a serious idea, the privatisation of state assets has always been an integral feature of Greece's international bailouts. Over the past five years, Greece has faltered on promises to sell vital parts of its infrastructure – ports, airports, marinas and waterworks – in exchange for billions of euros in loans.

Privatisation remains a vital element of Greece's latest bailout deal. Under threat of being forced out of the eurozone, Athens agreed to transfer "valuable assets" to an independent fund, with the aim of raising €50bn (£35bn). Half the proceeds will be used to shore up capital reserves at Greek banks; a quarter will be used to repay Greece's creditors, and the remainder will be spent on unspecified investments.

The privatisation fund was the issue that almost forced a Grexit at the marathon 17-hour, all-night summit of European leaders in Brussels earlier this month. "It was the only thing discussed at the summit," recalls one diplomat.

At 6am, as Greece teetered on the brink of leaving the euro, the Greek prime minister, Alexis Tsipras, was still haggling over privatisation details with his counterparts, Angela Merkel and François Hollande.

The idea of the privatisation fund first emerged in a leaked German government paper which argued Greece should leave the eurozone if it did not agree to put €50bn in a Luxembourg fund as collateral for its debts. Although drafted in Berlin, the plan soon found support among Greece's hardline creditors in central Europe and the Baltics.

Tsipras wrung two concessions: the fund would be run from Athens, not Luxembourg, and a tranche of the cash would be earmarked for investments in Greece.

The privatisation fund is likely to remain one of the most contentious issues as Greece and its creditors strive to conclude bailout talks by mid-August.

From the creditors' perspective, Greek privatisation has been failure heaped upon failure. In 2011, international creditors decreed that Athens would raise €50bn by the end of 2015 from selling state assets. By early 2015, only €3.2bn had been raised; none of the most sensitive aspects – airports, ports, railways – had been sold. Neither officials at the European commission nor the International Monetary Fund are taking the €50bn target remotely seriously.

In a devastating analysis of Greece's debt burden published in July, the IMF said it was realistic to assume asset sales would be worth no more than €500m a year – meaning it could take 100 years to raise €50bn.

Gabriel Sterne at Oxford Economics argues that the IMF has failed to learn from its recent history that "less is more" when it comes to setting numerical targets. "It is economics versus faith – 'Somehow we will make this work even if it doesn't add up' – but the economics really doesn't add up."

When Syriza swept to power in January, one of its first actions was to sack the people in charge of Greece's privatisation agency and cancel plans to sell Greece's electricity transmission operator (ADMIE). The sale of other assets – most notably regional airports and the port of Piraeus – had almost been completed, but was thrown into doubt. The government is expected to put up little resistance to the sales now being concluded. Venues purpose-built for the 2004 Athens Olympic games, which have sat derelict and rotting for the past decade, will also be among the assets moved to the fund, alongside state utilities, including the water board and ADMIE.

Both Russia and China have expressed interest in snapping up the state-run railway network, one of the biggest encumbrances on public finances before the debt crisis erupted in late 2009. The Greek state is also rich in buildings bequeathed by individuals to municipalities and the Orthodox Church – properties that are also expected to be included in the fund. Contrary to popular perception, the public sector owns very few islands. The sale last week to Hollywood star Johnny Depp of the Aegean islet of Stroggilo, for a reputed €4.2m, was conducted privately.

While Tsipras has been forced into a humiliating climbdown over the sale of state assets, he has repeatedly branded the entire bailout plan as a bad deal that he doesn't believe in.

Unions with ties to the governing party have already vowed to "wage war" to stop the sale of docks in Piraeus, where the Chinese conglomerate, Cosco, currently manages three piers. With the debt-stricken country on its knees, officials have stressed that the prime minister will fight to ensure the denationalisations are not seen as a fire sale.

However, independent observers fear just that. "Privatisation in Greece right now means a fire sale," political economist Jens Bastian said.

Bastian was one of the officials responsible for privatisation under the European commission's Taskforce for Greece, a body of experts distinct from the troika. He thinks it was a "political mistake" to set a target to raise €50bn from asset sales, in the absence of support from Greek politicians across the political spectrum, from the centre-right New Democracy party, to Pasok on the centre-left and Syriza on the left.

"We have never had a political majority to embrace the idea of privatisation. How are you going to create the political momentum that has been absent in the past years under more difficult conditions today?" he asks.

Greece's creditors share such scepticism. Their answer is tighter controls. The privatisation fund will be managed by Greeks under the close watch of creditors.

The privatisation fund has few precedents, although it has been compared to the Treuhandanstalt, the German agency created in the dying days of the GDR to privatise East German assets shortly before reunification. Greece's former finance minister, Yanis Varoufakis, was one of the first to draw the parallel, although others offer the comparison unprompted. Peter Doyle, a former IMF economist, says the Treuhand offers the closest parallels: the agency had full control over government ministries to sell assets quickly. "The principal task was to sell these things to somebody for cash."

Greek government officials and opposition politicians said it was too early to know how the Greek fund would operate.

"We've got a long way to go before we have a clear picture of what this fund and the privatisation scheme will entail," Anna Asimakopoulou, shadow finance minister with the main opposition New Democracy party, told the Guardian. "But the entire privatisation process will feature large in negotiations because Tsipras is so opposed to them and creditors see them as a good way to raise revenues."

Greece has an urgent need for cash: although the eurozone bailout is meant to be worth up to €86bn, only €50bn is on the table, via the eurozone's bailout fund, the European Stability Mechanism.

Doyle thinks Greece's bailout is underfunded. "The Europeans just don't have enough cash ... and a major way to fill that gap is through privatisation." Officials at the Greek privatisation agency are "going to find their arms very strongly twisted to provide needed cash", he says.

"The privatisation agency is facing a trade off between doing something that is fair and open and following judicial procedures, or something that is going to deliver needed cash."


He fears Greece could be heading down the path taken by Russia in the 1990s, when valuable state assets were sold at knockdown prices to raise urgently-needed cash, creating a new oligarch class in the process.


"The very thing we all think that Greece needs – to get rid of its oligarchy – will in fact be entrenched by privatisation done this way," argues Doyle, who worked on privatisations in the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Poland in the 1990s. The difference between those countries and Greece, he thinks, is that the population and political class in central Europe accepted the idea of privatisation, despite the short-term hardships.

He is convinced the current privatisation plan for Greece is doomed to fail. "The programme was set up to encourage Greece to leave the euro and that plan didn't work, so now we are stuck with the privatisation arrangement that nobody, not even the original creditors, ever intended to happen."

Up for sale

Helliniko Olympic complex

Ports of Piraeus and Thessaloniki

14 regional airports

PPC power company, including ADMIE, the electricity transmission operator

DEPA natural gas company

Hellenic Petroleum
Hellenic Post
Athens Water Supply and Sewerage Company
Xenia Hotels in Rhodes
Marinas of Chios, Pylos and other locations

Source: Hellenic Republic Asset Development Fund


MrShigemitsu -> Byron73 26 Jul 2015 15:49

surely a newspaper like the Guardian

Woah, back up now.... you see, there's your problem right there.

The Guardian is not the paper you think it is... or would like it to be.

Even if its support for the previous Coalition government wasn't clear enough, the nature of its coverage of Russia, Greece, and lately the Corbyn candidacy, very obviously reveals its true loyalties.

It supports the neoliberal status quo - don't kid yourself otherwise.


JaneThomas 25 Jul 2015 22:07

"It's neither more moral nor a matter of just desserts to call for that internal devaluation, that austerity, than it is to call for the currency devaluation. Indeed, I would argue entirely the other way: the currency devaluation will cause a lot less human pain so that's the way the problem should be solved. Thus Greece must leave the euro because that's the way to solve the problem with the least pain."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2015/07/25/greece-really-should-leave-the-euro-the-economics-is-entirely-clear-here/


delaxo kimdriver 25 Jul 2015 17:34

How many Greeks really want Eurozone at any cost can only be seen through a referendum.
Remember that prior to the last referendum of 61-39, the same opinion poll companies were predicting a 50-50 result.
Are they more trustworthy on the Eurozone question?

someoneionceknew Drosophilasrule 25 Jul 2015 17:24

Capital's motivation is to accumulate financial assets i.e. supplying the least possible service/product for the greatest possible return.

delaxo kimdriver 25 Jul 2015 16:32

"the Greek political establishment was held to account by its electorate":
Excuse me but his sounds like a joke, when 61% of the electorate expressed a will that was summarily rejected by the true rulers of the colony.


Alfie Silva kimdriver 25 Jul 2015 16:11

Al well and good in principle and I agree with most of what you say.

However, privatisations are not always the nirvana you make them out to be.

You see it everywhere across Europe; the privatisation of EDP, PT, REN for example in Portugal; customer service is now appalling in these former nationalized industries.

I experienced it first hand in the UK; NORWEB and North West Water becoming United Utilities; service to the public again is appalling.

In the rush to privatise, the need for an ombudsman and guaranteed standards by statute is as necessary as making a return to shareholders.


Moniq Vervoort 25 Jul 2015 12:43

The list of Oligarch Greeks that don t pay tax in Greece should be plastered all over the internet , newspapers , tv , etc

Out of the 100 richest people on Earth right now 8 are Greek , one lady and 7 gents that ought to get a BBC camera and a competent interviewer asking their take on the situation ' back Home'!

That would make more sense that simply flogging the place off to Tom Dick and Harry (IMO)


Ryleigh RedCoat4Ever 25 Jul 2015 09:48

Except they are a nation state, not a household or a company. The ability of one country to intervene in another and seize assets smells of imperialism and colonialism.


deskandchair -> Winhoering 25 Jul 2015 09:20

Another corporatist fantasist:
"Spain and Ireland are reporting good growth rates"
AND soaring poverty and unemployment and mass emigration, really great EZ success stories there NOT.


deskandchair -> whitewolfe 25 Jul 2015 09:17

"Smaller the state less corruption"
More corporatist lies, small state = large corporate power and in which fairy-tale lala land do you imagine there's no corruption in private companies? Indeed, corruption is even MORE COVERT in private companies you dunce.


LibertineUSA 25 Jul 2015 09:06

Making Greece poorer one step at a time. What a triumph of neoliberal economics...for at least the beneficiaries of neoliberal economics. Who just happen to be the same people who own everything and don't want to pay their taxes.


FourtyTwo Drosophilasrule 25 Jul 2015 09:01

Germany already owns fully the Greek telecom company (Deutsche Telekom) and is preparing to secure the purchase of all Greek regional airports (Fraport AG). There are also rumours that Sofina, based in Brussels is after Thessaloniki's water company EYATH (ΕΥΑΘ). Interestingly enough Guy Verhofstadt sits on this company's board. So I grant you it is not just "Germany" but Germany's sphere of influence out to buy Greece. ;)

But even if some Greek oligarchs manage to get a piece of that cake, do you really think that would be anything to be proud of? I hear that Greece's "national contractor" George Bobolas is collaborating with Sofina to get a piece of EYATH. What do you have to say about that?

Everybody knows that the non-paper regarding the Greece Treuhand (let's call a spade a spade, shall we?) was circulated by Schaeuble even before the beginning of the summit meeting and that originally the fund would be based in Luxembourg, be run by non-Greeks and all the money from the privatisations would go to creditors to service the debt. The summit almost collapsed because of this aggressive move as Tsipras abandoned the negotiations in dismay and several more moderate people had to intervene to get him back to the negotiation table. Later we found that the non-paper was known and endorsed by both Merkel and the SPD. So yes, pretty much all of "Germany" was behind that caper.

Joint control of assets (Greek state and private companies) has already been proposed by the Greek government, namely Varoufakis himself, but that was deemed unsatisfactory. And even a neoliberal has to agree that selling off assets at a time of a big depression and uncertainty will effect in their being sold for peanuts with a great loss to the seller and a humongous gain for the buyer. Especially if the assets are monopolies of basic commodities like water which means they are totally risk-free, or related to the country's basic means of revenue, tourism.


Kompe75 hungrycocky 25 Jul 2015 07:59

We knew that Germans and reason coincide....but now with Schaueble everything is possible...they have tradition in electing paranoid leaders


MacNara -> whitewolfe 25 Jul 2015 06:31

You are clearly an ultra-capitalist, while I am not, so it's difficult to talk with you. But like many with a religious belief in capitalism, you don't seem to have much idea how it works.

Let's take your point 1:


Selling them contributes to the government, cash. Cash that the country desperately needs.

No: all this money is going abroad; the Greek government won't see any of it. From the point of view of the Greek government, the sale alone (assuming nothing else happened) would be purely an accounting change with no effect in the real world. So, from their point of view, if they were capitalists it would be best to carry on as is, or declare bankruptcy and have a pre-arranged buyer for the bankrupt company (i.e. themselves).


As long as trains run and electricity is deliver[ed] who cares who owns it?

Well, shareholders seem to, otherwise why would there be stockmarkets? And the reverse is true from the customers' point of view. That is to say, if the company became profitable and the profits went to the Greek state rather than others, then it would make a big difference to the citizens.

And so on for your other three points, which I had also already answered in my original post.

John Bennetts -> whitewolfe 25 Jul 2015 06:02

Total BS, Whitewolf. I expect that putting others down makes you feel bigger.

Name examples of "smaller state less corruption". Where has this worked?

The foreign banks made bad deals, lost the gamble and then pressured their governments, led by Germany, to extract penalties far i n excess of the supposed crime. The whole nation is being pauperised.

But that doesn't matter... they're only olive-sucking Greeks, after all. Not German or French banks. So that's OK.

MacNara 25 Jul 2015 00:02

I don't understand why the idea of management contracts for Greek state-owned industries has not been given an airing.

For example, Deutsche Bahn (German government) could be given a ten or twenty year contract to make the railways profitable, and EDF (French government) could do the same for the power system. And this could be done without privatisation (after all, the German and French equivalents are state-owned).

This would surely have several benefits:

1. When the companies were profitable, they could contribute to Greek government finances.

2. Alternatively, once profit-making, they could be sold off, but not at fire-sale prices as looks likely at the moment.

3. This would be a clear example of the German and French (and other governments') desire to help Greece improve, and not to asset-strip, so it would be a PR win, and a plus for all sides (especially if these contracts were 'at cost' and non-profit).

4. Making these businesses profitable will probably initially involve job losses, wage cuts, and price rises. Keeping them in state ownership would mean that the benefits of these sacrifices by Greeks would be kept in-house (i.e. go to the government and not foreign capitalists or Greek oligarchs) and therefore make it more likely that they would get social acceptance.

Has such a plan really never been discussed? Or is my logic faulty?


deskandchair 24 Jul 2015 23:52

". It is a necessary component of a healthy economy because it ensures private sector efficiency and productivity"

Straight from the '90's handbook and absolute RUBBISH. Look at for example public transport systems privatised in Australia. They're now less efficient (schedules are a joke) rolling stock is older and shoddy and private companies STILL DEPEND on state governments for injections of hundreds of millions of dollars to maintain infrastructure.

Then there's electricity supplies in Aus states that have privatised, over-investment in infrastructure (so they can pump the cost of electricity so while households are using less power, costs far exceed inflation). The same with water, gas etc.

I have yet to see ONE example of privatisation of public assets in Aus that resulted in better service, efficiencies etc etc etc. Privatisation of assets is simply a cash-cow for certain companies to bleed the public dry and am happy to consider any REAL example where this is not so.


Alto Cumulus 24 Jul 2015 22:56

Multinational corporations hire battalions of lawyers precisely to AVOID paying taxes. And foreign governments collude, allowing multinationals and Greek oligarchs to park their money in the Luxemburg, Netherlands, or other tax havens.

So selling of Greece's water utilities or ports does NOT mean the corporate buyers will be compelled to pay taxes in Greece. The burden of tax payment will continue to fall to Greek small businesses and Greek families.

The little taxes the new corporate overlords may pay will be immediately sucked up by Greece's creditors.

Marty Wolf -> psygone 24 Jul 2015 15:30

Privatization will make the Greek economy look like Russia. Mafia State 2.0. The cost of everything will rise as the profiteers stripmine any assets left after the sellout of the Greek people. Those assets deemed unprofitable will be dumped onto the bankrupt state government. Your last paragraph is neocon boilerplate and simply doesn't apply in a situation where pirates move in to clean the bones of their victims.

Olastakarvouna 24 Jul 2015 15:12

Helliniko Olympic complex, and 14 regional airports have already been sold (with only bureaucratic hurdles remaining). So has DEPA the natural gas company, but its sale is being held up by EU regulators. The PPC power company will NEVER be sold (unless you believe that Britain will sell its NHS). The Athens Water Supply and Sewerage Company will also NEVER be sold, as its sale (and that of Thessaloniki water supply co) was deemed unconstitutional a year ago by Greece's highest court. Helena Smith, please try refining your reporting a little bit more.

[Jul 26, 2015] Mathew D. Rose The Crisis In Europe Has Only Just Begun naked capitalism

Posted on July 24, 2015 by
By Mathew D. Rose, a freelance journalist in Berlin

Five months ago I attempted to explain why the conflict between Germany and Greece was destined culminate as it has:

Following the recent elections in Greece, Germany and its EU compradors are making it clear who is in charge. The Germans are currently not offering any compromise, but iterate the same blunt demand: Greece has to accept what is being dictated; in other words, capitulate or be annihilated. This time it will not be the Wehrmacht und Luftwaffe that are to force the Greek nation into submission, but a weapon just as lethal: national bankruptcy.

This conflict has nothing to do with Greek debt or finances. Syriza's strategy was based upon the rational assumption that the nation's debt and recovery are being stifled by austerity. As we know from most any respected economist, Greece's debt can never and will never be repaid. On the continent that prides itself as the cradle of the enlightenment, there should have been an amicable, lasting solution to Greece's untenable financial situation. Greece has had to learn the hard way, that the EU is no longer a European project for peace, democracy and prosperity, but a German tool for hegemony.

This has been a conflict between a small European nation, led by a leftist government, attempting to reassert its autonomy under crushing German predominance. That may sound simplistic, but there is not much more to it.

In past postings I have also attempted to explain the German mindset leading to this – and there is no other word for it – disaster. The negotiations have been surprisingly linear. Syriza's main goal was debt relief. They always saw Chancellor Merkel as the lone decision maker in the negotiations. Ms Merkel on the other hand has unremittingly demanded unconditional capitulation. The rest has been spectacle. There is a saying: "Clowns entertain in the intervals between the acts. The circus director runs the show". Dijsselbloem, Juncker and the rest may have had a lot to say to the media, but little to say in negotiations. Finland, Slovakia and Slovenia are irrelevant. The only other player of any importance besides Merkel was ECB president Mario Draghi, who assisted Germany's financial blitzkrieg by questionably terminating the ECB's support of Greek banks. Schäuble was Merkel's executioner.

The intervention of France's President Francois Hollande was uncannily reminiscent of Neville Chamberlain. The only thing lacking was his arrival at Charles de Gaulle Airport brandishing a letter from Chancellor Merkel. The conclusion of "negotiations" was reminiscent of the Munich Dictate. Greece has been "saved", much as Czechoslovakia 77 years ago.

The humanitarian disaster had reached dimensions that defy any definition of a "United Europe". With the media's obsession with the pseudo negotiations the fact that this was an existential decision for millions of Greeks was forgotten, many of whom stood at the edge of an abyss. This became clear as affected Greeks were asking how they were to pay for their insulin and if it would soon become unavailable due to the financial embargo that was being created. This was the terrorism that Yanis Varoufakis denounced.

The reaction of what I would term "enlightened Germans" to Varoufakis's claim was what one expects. For them, they were being compared to ISIS. Even though the fear emanating from much of Greece's population was palpable, there was little reflection by many of those Germans capable of doing so, with regard to the aggression conducted in the name of Germany. In the phase immediately before Syriza's capitulation there was an increasing awareness among some Germans that something was going terribly wrong, but it was too little and too late.

This brings me to the first main point of this posting. The history of the "good Germans" has always been one of ineffectuality. In the course of history there have been many Germans who believed in the enlightenment, be it Martin Luther, Immanuel Kant or Wolfgang Goethe. These however never questioned the authoritative role of the state against the will of the people. The class of "enlightened" Germans always regret what their nation is doing, but more often than not, in the end participate in the very actions they deplore. As A.J.P. Taylor wrote: "There were, and I daresay are, many millions of well-meaning kindly Germans; but what have they added up to politically?" In the case of Greece, this has occurred still again.

Not that the ethical Germans have had an easy time of it lately. A few years ago there was a massive campaign in commentaries and politics condemning so called Gutmenschen (literally translated: good people), who were defined by their critics as persons following their moral conscience – regardless of being leftist, moderate or conservative. In a nation that is responsible for the holocaust, this is a very worrying development. Thus the transition of Germany's hegemonic role in Europe, among many internal transitions such as the unjust redistribution of wealth, has been thoroughly ideologically prepared.

It is worth mentioning a sort of landmark book written by the German historian Heinrich August Winkler, "The Long Journey to the West", which appeared in the year 2000. It traces the purported progress of Germany becoming a responsible member of Western Europe's democratic tradition and intellectual enlightenment. Winkler may have been too quick with his conclusion. Under German hegemony we are seeing heads of state removed by financial pressure (Italy and Greece), nations forced to take over debts from reckless private banks (Ireland and Spain) and Greece being pounded into submission and having its autonomy reduced to passing legislation dictated by Berlin. The Germany of today has little to do with Western European democracy, resembling more traditional German anti-democratic authoritarianism.

The second point I wash to make is that the real losers with regard to the disaster in Greece are not even aware of their plight: the Eastern Europeans. What the Germans have done to Greece has its basis in racism, but the Germans have a primordial fear and hate of eastern Europeans, resulting in a commensurate brutality. When the opportunity arrives to subjugate these peoples, the process will not be as gentle as in Greece. Ukraine could already be the first example of this.

The only exception might be Poland, which throughout history has been invaded and occupied by the Germans. Not only have the Germans always considered Poland a colony, but after the Second World War German territory was added to Poland. This is something that Germans resent to this day. Willy Brandt falling to his knees in Warsaw was an important gesture, but in Germany these days Willy Brandt numbers among the derogated "Gutmenschen". The Poles are fortunately highly distrustful of the Germans – with good reason – and are still not members of the eurozone . They surely have been following the developments in Greece and hopefully comprehended the writing on the wall.

Lastly, no one seems to have really thought through what the "reforms" forced upon Greece will mean in practice. Up to now Greeks apparently were reluctant to pay taxes because hardly any one, especially the oligarchs, did so. To alter a nation's attitude to taxation is a herculean task for a government at the best of times, a process that Yanis Varoufakis interestingly had initiated very early on. The imposition of a ridiculously high value added tax increase by Germany is nothing more than taxation without representation. Not paying ones taxes in Greece will become a patriotic act of resistance against the Germans and the troika. There can be no crdible political discourse from a politically disgraced Syriza, leaving coercion as the only alternative (Varoufakis knew why he resigned as finance minister and has voted against the German dictate). The Greek people clearly rejected the dictate that has been foisted upon them. They will not be supporting the so called "reforms", especially as they simply cannot afford to do so.

The crisis in Greece and in Europe is not over, it is only just beginning.


John Jones, July 25, 2015 at 2:36 am

Yeah and Greeks and eastern Europeans and other minorities etc also live the experience of been on the end of the racism by Germans, English and other northern Europeans. And it is not 'some people' in their experience.
And it is always satire and funny when you are not the one on the other end of the joke.

The wealthy Greeks seek to conserve their wealth as much as the wealthy Germans. To devolve this down to nationalistic stereotypes is to play the game of the wealthy. Divide and rule. This article buys into that, big time.

Stereotypes which most of the German population has had no problem believing and spouting off towards Greeks. Preconceived notions that not only the Germans have but England and northern Europe.


Skippy, July 24, 2015 at 11:45 am

The strange thing is the Germans were late to the colonization party, tho at that time there was some funky stuff happening in German philosophy and spiritualism.

Skippy…. and at the end of the day all the other anglophone nations history is white washed and Germany was left holding the bag as the bad guy.


vidimi, July 24, 2015 at 12:05 pm

yup. i would say the english probably qualify as history's greatest all-time villains…or should i say "some english people".


flora, July 24, 2015 at 12:49 pm

Yes. " A few years ago there was a massive campaign in commentaries and politics condemning so called Gutmenschen (literally translated: good people), who were defined by their critics as persons following their moral conscience – regardless of being leftist, moderate or conservative."

This remark makes me wonder if Hegel is still the guiding philosophy in Germany.

"Since the state is mind objectified, it is only as one of its members that the individual has objectivity, genuine individuality, and an ethical life…" Hegel

Hegel gives the state the primacy, not the family or community or individual conscience.

dk, July 24, 2015 at 11:47 am

The reality is that oligarchs use proxies of many kinds, from nations to individuals. They gain resources and profit from the products and byproducts of elaborately manufactured scenarios, pitting groups against each other to produce illusions of demand, debt, etc. Germany and Greece are no more than proxies in this gambit.

Beware the kayfabe.

DJG, July 24, 2015 at 11:06 am

The Anglo-German media have steeped in racism. Are you forgetting the acronym PIIGS? Do you think that is referring to hams on the hoof in Finland?

I'll write it again: The DJG rule. The Anglophone world (and the Germans and Dutch) prefer their Romans and Greeks dead. The current ones are too "excitable."

MyLessThanPrimeBeef, July 24, 2015 at 12:15 pm

Brown people, little people, poor people, desert people don't do too well either in that world.

hemeantwell, July 24, 2015 at 11:35 am

To add: the more I think about this, the more off target this post is. Precisely at a time when it is necessary to consider features of the current crisis like, in no particular order, falling German productivity, the dwindling of Chinese demand that fueled Germany's economy, growing difficulties in finding investment options for surplus capital >>> bubble investment, how a NATO that is dominated by the US is fostering a crisis in the Ukraine, Rose focuses on the diffuse sentimental templates that can regressively steer a crisis response, especially when elites want to play the nationalism card. Rose does next to nothing to draw our attention back to crisis drivers, he just forecasts how it can be misinterpreted.

German native speaker, July 25, 2015 at 5:43 pm

For years, after starting an illegal war in Iraq, after the US caused the banking/ derivatives crisis, and after the truth about NSA/Snowdon, whenever someone in Germany talked bad about the "Amis" (short for Americans) because of the way the US behave, I have reminded them that not all Americans are 'behind' and supportive of the 'system'.
I guess I can now follow your reasoning and encourage all Germans to pile it on about how bad Americans are, and unless all of them are called ruthless imperialists, the US won't change (according to your logic).


OpenThePodBayDoorsHAL, July 24, 2015 at 4:56 pm

The "most successful" in recent memory gets to dictate the narrative because their view is seen as "right". Germany gets to crow about their "economic miracle", founded on running surpluses, exchange rate suppression that would never have been possible under the deutschemark, and the inconvenient truth of the massive debt forgiveness and restructuring they were afforded in 1953. America benefits similarly from their long-in-the-tooth supremacy after WW II, a victory of excellent river systems, large protective oceans, bounteous agricultural acres, and skillful realpolitik at Bretton Woods. Of course there's no possible chance that a 23% VAT on tourism will remedy Greece's predicament, but the ultimate failure of the program will be whitewashed because the "right" countries in the dominant narrative du jour did their best. We used to have a few politicians who understood at least a tiny bit about history and economics, but that era is long gone indeed, they're either ignorant (Reagan, Bush, Trump) or utterly corrupt (Clinton, Obama, Clinton).

Jim, July 24, 2015 at 7:19 pm

"excellent river systems, large protective oceans, bounteous agricultural acres" – these are all things that Brazil or for that matter the Congo Republic has. Going by natural resources and geographical advantages the Congo Republic should be vastly richer than remote mountainous Japan with it's earthquakes, almost total lack of natural resources and with only 3% of it's surface area suitable for agriculture.Japan has only one thing going for it – the Japanese people. But that makes all the difference in comparison with that treasure house of natural resources – the Congo.

Tinky, July 25, 2015 at 6:16 am

Did you really not understand that HAL was referring to aggregate advantages, and that isolating one in comparison is not at all useful?

Or should we also list the countless island nations that enjoy "large protective oceans", yet somehow fail to threaten the economic dominance of the U.S.?

mesfern, July 25, 2015 at 7:25 am

Believe it or not, the relative amount of agricultural land is the same in Japan and the Congo (~12%; the US have 45%). It may not be the first impression one has from the Congo, but its terrain is rather mountainous and rocky; as one nears the eastern provinces, one might even be tempted to say they are the African Himalaya. Add in the rainforests, and it becomes obvious why it is so difficult to build and maintain the necessary infrastructures.

praedor, July 24, 2015 at 2:21 pm

Clear political correctness corrupting your vision. The German people (by and large, the majority, the bulk, the CULTURE) label the Greeks as lazy and deserving of what they are getting. They label the GREEKS as LAZY and deserving of their plight. They don't deserve aid, succor, etc, because they're Greeks and Greeks are…Greek (lazy leeches). That is an objective fact of the coverage and the overall conceit of the German people en bank. It is racist. I don't give a flying crap if you can find one or two coffee shop teenager Germans who disagree, they aren't the ones running the show, propping up the show, supporting the show, creating the show, kowtowing to the show (though they too are kowtowing). The German machine as a whole, in focus, by design, by preference, is racist and hegemonic. The Troika IS the German establishment, the German heart, the German soul as it is run and supported, directly and indirectly, actively and passively, by Germans. Virtually all of them.

FedUpPleb, July 24, 2015 at 12:19 pm

Shill harder Jesper. What was done to Greece cannot be explained by any rational political policy. It has its roots in emotion, domination, nationalism and yes, racism. You can call the latter "cultural differences" if you like, but it only puts a euphemism on the shocking behaviour seen over the last two months.

Europe has been cast back into the 1950s by this euro crisis. A large portion of the blame now lies with German intransigence in the face of the reality of both bank and soverign bankruptcies. This German intransigence is, at its heart, motivated by national interest, which by casting us back into the 1950s, makes many nervous.

I have been watching commentary and coverage from across the world closely since the end of May on these issues. I can assure anyone still in doubt that the opinions in this post are representative of a very wide and indeed deep shift in mood following what was done to Greece. Europe has lost the cafe-latte front and one must understand the points being made in this post to realise it.

Or one can remain in terminal denial and wait for the market to come along and make things better. In any case, please have the graces not to simply stand around shilling.

salvo, July 24, 2015 at 1:50 pm

well, I live in Germany and am formally German myself and I can assure you the main narrative repeated in German mainstream discourse by the mass media is that the Greeks are somewhat inferior, lazy, profligate, untrustworthy and so on, something most people tend to believe. Indeed most of them feel that the German politics is way too soft towards them. I could start linking to a few articles by German mainstream media to underwrite my point


Gabriel, July 24, 2015 at 10:59 am

One of the few bright spots for me in how the Greece has played out is that in Poland people seem indeed to have picked up that joining the Euro might be something besides a badge of honor of being "Western" and European.

http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/07/germanys-policies-pose-danger-to-europe.html

My partner Polish and is currently stuck there for preposterous reasons, and she's confirmed that "sensible," cosmopolitan, Warsaw, pro-EU people are taking a hard look at what actually adopting the Euro might expose them to.

I was gloomy about the chance of this happening, because the pattern I remember from Argentina in the 90s is that the lackeys who aren't being punished by the hegemon think they'll score points by sounding even more punitive than the hegemon (Slovakia seems to have played that role in this crisis), and far too many intelligent people don't understand that adopting a currency cannot be considered in purely symbolic terms. Perhaps Poles' not altogether delightful history with German-run international systems has made them more alert about this kind of thing.

PS. Apropos well-meaning Germans, I linked to a couple of vids by some of their contemporary equivalents here.


susan the other, July 24, 2015 at 11:19 am

I was surprised by the Fortruss post because there is so much censorship here we don't get any idea about the manipulations of our State Department until they fail or succeed. It made me think that we and Germany/France are truly on opposite sides when it comes to the future of Europe. Without "Old Europe" on our side to manipulate eastern Europe it is doubtful we will succeed in drawing them in (and keeping them) into the neoliberal model we seem so determined to export. Hopefully the crisis in neoliberalism has just begun.


Jim Haygood, July 24, 2015 at 11:03 am

Change one word; here's how it reads:

'The class of "enlightened" Americans always regret what their nation is doing, but more often than not, in the end participate in the very actions they deplore.'


nobody, July 24, 2015 at 11:26 am

Mark Ames:

I really started with the idea that in every age, there is some awful oppression that is not yet recognized and therefore doesn't exist, but later seems horribly obvious. This became clear to me working in Moscow in the '90s. No one in the "liberal" Western press corps, academia, world financial aid organizations or Clinton Administration had a shred of sympathy for the millions of Russians suffering from so-called "privatization" programs that we rammed down their throats.

Literally millions of Russians went to their graves early in the '90s, yet many respectable Westerners openly said that the old generation would "have to die off" before the proper mindset set in to allow full Westernization in Russia. Those millions of deaths are still not seen as part of something larger and evil.

http://www.alternet.org/story/24796/a_brief_history_of_rage,_murder_and_rebellion


Gabriel, July 24, 2015 at 11:52 am


Excellent quote. Thanks for posting it. And today's crop of "respectable Westerners" wonder why Putin seems to have Svengali-high approval ratings when facing down the full disapproval of DC and the EU.

Our Western elite really has gone one-up on the Bourbons. Latter remembered everything and learned nothing; ours does away with the remembering bit.

Eric Patton, July 24, 2015 at 11:27 am

Germany has money, industry, resources, brains, and will. They think strategically, and they plan well. You have to admire it.

Inverness, July 24, 2015 at 4:10 pm

Germany has benefited tremendously from both debt forgiveness and cheap Turkish labour.

Jim, July 24, 2015 at 7:30 pm

Oh get real! Germany has been devastated numerous times in history. Almost totally destroyed by the Thirty Years War, again almost totally destroyed, occupied and divided at the end of WWII, devastated both by the Napoleonic Wars as well as WWI. It always recovers to become the strongest state in Western Europe.

YankeeFrank, July 25, 2015 at 4:04 pm

And you say that as if its a good thing. The 20th century would beg to differ. I'd "admire" Germany a bit more perhaps if they managed to build a strong nation without it always seeming to be built on a sneering arrogance and racist hatred of those not "German", meaning specifically Prussian or Bavarian, and it not always winding up with the total domination and ruin of other nations. I guess its easy for them to get up and engineer every day when motivated by an overweening pride.

To me they have a singular inability to do anything other than engineer other peoples' ideas and start wars that make the world cringe in horror at their monstrous deeds. Some cultural things never change I guess.

And no, I'm not letting the US off the hook for its misdeeds, but there is something fundamentally vicious and yes, I'll say it, evil, about the German culture that not only justifies the suffering of "others" at their hands but actually revels in it, as the OP and some commenters who are actually German have made clear here.

MyLessThanPrimeBeef, July 24, 2015 at 12:25 pm

It's interesting how often we exclude ourselves in our analyses of events abroad, or fail to include the international dimension of our domestic policies.

It's the hegemonic-power projection cartographic map you mentioned a few days ago.


[Jul 24, 2015] Mario Draghi: The ECB Has No Mandate To Ensure Checks Clear Or Credit Cards Work

July 23, 2015 | nakedcapitalism.com

By Nathan Tankus, a writer from New York City. Follow him on Twitter at @NathanTankus

Last week Mario Draghi held a press conference following the decision to raise ELA a paltry 900 million dollars for Greek banks. In that press conference he said many things but I'd like to focus on one passage that has gotten no attention:

There is an article in the Treaty that says that basically the ECB has the responsibility to promote the smooth functioning of the payment system. But this has to do with the functioning of TARGET2, the distribution of notes, coins. So not with the provision of liquidity, which actually is regulated by a different provision, in Article 18.1 in the ECB Statute: "In order to achieve the objectives of the ESCB, the ECB and the national central banks may conduct credit operations with credit institutions and other market participants, with lending based on adequate collateral." This is the Treaty provision. But our operations were not monetary policy operations, but ELA operations, and so they are regulated by a separate agreement, which makes explicit reference to the necessity to have sufficient collateral. So, all in all, liquidity provision has never been unconditional and unlimited.

This is a truly shocking statement. To understand why, we need to go back to the basics of central banking. Banks have accounts at the central bank (I'm going to call the balances in these accounts "settlement balances" in line with non U.S. Conventions) which are primarily used to settle payments with other banks. When you use a debit card issued by one bank to pay someone with a bank account in another bank, your bank has to in turn send a payment using settlement balances to make that payment.

As should be obvious from that description, in order to make that payment your bank has to have sufficient settlement balances in its account at the central bank or the central bank must provide an overdraft. Thus, if the smooth functioning of the payments system is defined as the ability of depository institutions to clear payments, the central bank must ensure that settlement balances are available at some price.

The Federal Reserve explicitly recognizes this in its "Policy on Payment System Risk" by stating that "the Board recognizes that the Federal Reserve has an important role in providing intraday balances and credit to foster the smooth operation of the payment system". Draghi is arguing that the ECB's mandate to "promote the smooth functioning of the payments system" is defined differently than the Federal Reserve's mandate and (as far as I can tell) every other Central Bank's payment system mandate around the world. I can't over-emphasize how radical a departure Draghi's position is from the norms of central banking. Whatever else we may want to criticize the Federal Reserve's and the government's response to the financial crisis, they did preserve the the smooth functioning of the payments system with their alphabet soup of lending facilities and ultimately an FDIC guarantee on interbank lending. The problem was that they didn't put Too Big To Fail banks in a form of receivership and didn't prosecute bank executives, not that they made sure payments continued to take place.

As disturbing as the European Central Bank position already is, it becomes more frightening when we analyze why the Greek banking system has been cut off in detail. First, remember that the ECB's official position has been that the Greek banking system is solvent as long as Greek government bonds preserve a certain value. Second, the ECB judges the value of those government bonds not be their market price but by their view of the Greek government's "compliance" with the dictates of the EU and the IMF. As Vice President Constâncio said during the press conference:

when a country has a rating which is below the investment grade which is the minimum, then to access monetary policy operations, it has to have a waiver. And the waiver is granted if there are two conditions. The first condition is that the country must be under a programme with the EU and IMF; and second, we have to assess that there is credible compliance with such a programme.

The bigger picture here is that under this interpretation of the ECB's operating mandates the European Central Bank can, at any time choose to exclude a particular country's bonds from its monetary policy operations, watch its credit rating fall and eventually, force the country to choose between an IMF program and having a frozen banking system and no ability to borrow. Not only must that country enter an IMF program but it must be judged to be in "credible compliance" by the ECB at all times.

Being in credible compliance is a necessary not sufficient condition for borrowing. Recall that the statute Draghi quoted said that it "may", not must, "conduct credit operations". This is how they've justified keeping the Greek banking system on such a tight leash despite claiming that the Greek Government was in "credible compliance" up until recently and how they can justify not extending ELA by enough to restore normal operations in the current situation. The ECB is like an abusive spouse who believes marriage means they can beat their significant other for any reason and that previous beatings justify beatings in the future.

Even worse, if the Greek banking system is insolvent because of defaults from the private sector in Greece (very likely), the Troika has made the reduction in value of deposits (a bail-in) the preferred tool (along with privatization) to return solvency to the banking system. In other words, there is not only no guarantee of orderly clearing of payments but also no guarantee that depositors will eventually be made whole. It is official policy that at any time the value of a deposit in one bank does not equal the value of a deposit in another bank. Cyprus was not a fluke. It would be foolish for depositors in other countries to feel safe, except perhaps those in Germany and France. Their political leaders would likely suddenly discover the need for depositors to be fully protected in the Eurozone if they were ever forced to recognize insolvency.

Putting all this together, Europe now has a system where liquidity and insolvency problems can occur and can be deliberately generated (at least in part) by the central bank. Then the Troika can force that country into an "IMF program" if it wants to continue having a functioning banking system. Alternatively, the central bank can choose to simply "suspend convertibility" to the unit of account and force the write down of deposits until the banks are solvent again. During this drawn out period payments grind to a halt and mass business disruptions and failures can and will be generated. In other words Europe has created a system where you either comply with the dictates of unelected bureaucrats or you accept a more disorderly version of the United States banking system before the Civil War. The bottom line is that if you feel inclined to visit Europe remember that the payments system can fail you at any time. Plan accordingly.

[Jul 23, 2015] Greece, Iran, and the Rules of the Game

Jul 23, 2015 | LobeLog

Alexis Tsipras had a choice. As the leader of the fledgling Syriza government in Greece, he could have told the European Union to stuff its austerity plan. He could have taken the risk that the EU would offer a better deal to keep Greece in the Eurozone. Or, failing that, he could have navigated his country into the uncharted waters of economic independence.

But he chose to "follow the rules" by accepting the EU plan. Greece is getting its financial bailout, Greeks are tightening their belts, and the Eurozone will survive more-or-less intact. Tsipras learned what happens when you challenge the rules of an elite club. Once in a while, the club changes the rules. Most of the time, the club issues an ultimatum: suck it up or move on.

Hassan Rouhani had a choice. As the leader of a new reformist government in Iran, he could have told the international community to keep its nose out of his country's business. He could have kept adding to Iran's civilian nuclear program, arguing all the time that it was not in violation of any international agreements. He could have tried to chip away at the international sanctions regime by concluding economic agreements with willing countries.

But he chose to negotiate with the permanent five members of the UN Security Council - plus Germany - and bring Iran into full compliance with International Atomic Energy Agency requirements. By "following the rules" in this way, Rouhani is hoping that the windfall that comes from the lifting of sanctions will provide enough capital to turn around the Iranian economy and boost the prospects of his political cohort.

In Hollywood movies and on TV, the rule breakers usually triumph. I can't begin to count how many films and shows feature CIA operatives, FBI agents, and police officers that must defy the chain of command in order to do the right thing and collar the bad guys.

But in the real world, breaking the rules usually comes with big penalties. Of course, it all depends on who sets the rules and who dares to defy them. Sometimes the outlaws face a lifetime behind bars. And sometimes they not only break the rules with impunity but win the proverbial jackpot as well.

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Iran, a larger country that plays a strategic role in the Middle East, has considerably more room for maneuver than does Greece. But it too cannot unilaterally remake the rules of the game. It can only negotiate the best deal it can. In the end, it must open itself up to the kind of inspection regime that more powerful countries would never tolerate. It is, of course, the height of hypocrisy for Israel, which refuses to disclose whether it has a nuclear program at all - much less permit access to its secret sites - to insist that Iran open up virtually every corner of the country to a highly intrusive verification regime.

But the rules of the game are changing. The model of "international community" that we've been driving is more than 65 years old, and its engine is starting to conk out.

All the major rule-setting institutions reflect the balance of power that reigned in the immediate aftermath of World War II. The World Bank was founded in 1944, the IMF and United Nations in 1945, and the European Coal and Steel Community (which served as the cornerstone of the future European Union) in 1951. But what will happen as Germany and France exert less control within the EU, as China builds new international financial institutions, as the UN finally tackles the problem of reforming the Security Council? What will happen as U.S. relative power in the world continues to decline?

New rule-makers mean new rules. Get ready: A new world is not only possible, it's just around the corner.

John Feffer is the the editor of LobeLog and the director of Foreign Policy In Focus at the Institute for Policy Studies. He is also the author, most recently, of Crusade 2.0. He is a former Open Society fellow, PanTech fellow, and Scoville fellow, and his articles have appeared in The New York Times, Washington Post, Los Angeles Review of Books, Salon, and many other publications.

[Jul 22, 2015] This is What Economists do not Understand About the Euro Crisis – or the U.S. Dollar

Jul 22, 2015 | Economist's View

bakho

The powers are not stupid but they are incredibly naive and misinformed. The idea of the Eurozone was to subsume nationalist fever into a multicultural Eurozone. The Germans in their Nationalist Pride have made this a failure of Greece instead of the failure of the Eurozone. The rhetoric is one of nationalism, not one of unity. The economics is Nationalist, not Post-Nationalist.

DrDick said in reply to bakho...

The German economic policy is, and long has been, deutschland über alles.

pgl

Is Merkel related to Jeb! I was looking for what the term Club Med nations really means - and it seems to be a put down for nations like Italy and Greece. But check this out. Merkel's "solution" is for the Italians and Greeks to work more:

http://blogs.wsj.com/source/2011/05/19/merkel-club-med-countries-must-work-more/

Of course they want to work more but the stupid fiscal austerity that Merkel is cramming down their throats is leading to massive unemployment. And guess what? Jeb! wants to impose annually balanced budgets for the US through spending cuts. Wow - the US may indeed become the next Greece if Jeb! becomes President.

pgl said in reply to pgl...


OK - I had to post this:

http://econospeak.blogspot.com/2015/07/is-jeb-related-to-angela-merkel.html

RC AKA Darryl, Ron said...

Kathleen McNamara actually believes the cover story for why elites pushed the Euro zone. Yes a great peace keeping mission this has been :<)

Economic elites in Europe have used the Euro to roll back democratic socialism and increase the global reach of European based multi-national corporations. The Euro is about the Davos economic elite and their goals. The Davos economic elite did not want fiscal union, they wanted fiscal disintegration of the welfare state. They have institutionalized fuss budgetry and inflationphobia for 19 of the 28 EU states.

Eclectic Obsvr

Gee, I don't think any of the critiquing economists doubt that the Euro was created as a political matter in the EU. It's just that they thought it economically unwise and to that extent economics matters to politics. It is the same thing about preaching austerity with the idea that exports will make up for lost domestic demand. At some point it's not logical to believe that all Eurozone countries have have a current account surplus. Appears to me that this is something coming out of a perhaps arrogance of foreign policy "experts".

Kenneth Thomas said in reply to Eclectic Obsvr...

Yes, although I believe France actually got the idea after its policy about-face in 1984. They dreamed of a multinationally controlled ECB replacing the Bundesbank, but let austerity and deficit mania get written into the ECB's mandate.

Michael Derry

Sometimes people overlook the easiest of things. The problem in Europe is the same as the U. S. faced under the Articles of Confederation. The Constitutional Convention was originally called to address the economic problems of the Confederation by strengthening the then existing Congress. The solution involved a fiscal union and it still took a few years to get the monetary and trade imbalances settled. You would figure a political scientist would know this.

Barkley Rosser said...

At the end here we have some people talking about the realities of the politics of this in the 80s, particularly regarding France. It also occurs to me that most of the commentators here are Americans, where all the people now getting their backs patted (Feldstein, Krugman, Friedman, etc.) while now able to crow about the current problems were all massively dead wrong back in the 90s and after when pretty much all of them declared loudly that the Europeans would not even be able to get the euro established at all. All along they totally under rated the political push behind this, which was arguably seriously flawed and well beyond plots by Davos elites, although that crowd clearly has done well under this at the expense of others. In that regard, this article serves a useful purpose.

The political strength of the euro in face of its now obvious and glaring economic problems is seen both by the fact that we have recently seen more countries joining, the Baltic nations, clearly for political/security reasons (join Europe! Get away from Russia!), but the fact that after all this stuff this spring, here is Greece accepting this horrible deal because their leaders recognize that the overwhelming majority of Greeks want to stay in the euro. Greece should probably never have joined, and it looks to me that they would probably be better off to obey the desires of the horrible Wolfgang Schauble, but there they are, hanging on in there.

Let us also keep in mind that these current problems have arisen due to the depths of the Great Recession, which basically none of us foresaw how bad it would be. Indeed, it has been a tough test, and the critics have been able to see their forecasts of problems be fulfilled.

likbez said in reply to Barkley Rosser...

Economically all three Baltic nations now are basket case. Latvia is probably in worst condition.

They lost most of the trade with Russia and nobody else wants what they can produce. Emigration is rampant. Especially among young people, who see no perspectives in their home country.

They also destroyed most of their manufacturing base (the same is true for Poland).

While partially inevitable with the independence, Baltic's version of Russophobia has its economic and political costs.

Jesse said...

Her central hypothesis seems to be that money is power, and that the deployment of the euro is an exercise in the centralization of power over a heterogeneous collection of nations and economies. And that the US dollar is similar.

How fitting that she teaches at Carroll Quigley's old university.

She *could* be correct. And if so, then we are in for interesting times.

http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2015/07/comex-registered-deliverable-gold.html

DrDick said in reply to Jesse...

It is the German's wet dream. Their economic policies have long focused on artificially suppressing the prices of their manufactures to keep their exports competitive. Now everyone's currency is pegged to their economy and they control the system.

[Jul 22, 2015] The Courage of Hopelessness by Slavoj Zizek

This article described well what damage Syriza might have done to the neoliberal paradigm which seems to be entrenched everywhere these days
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Very interesting comparison in there between EU government and the Chinese Communist Party which I hadn't heard before. "It should shamelessly flirt with Russia and China, playing with the idea of giving an island to Russia as its Mediterranean military base, just to scare the shit out of Nato strategists. To paraphrase Dostoyevsky, now that the EU God has failed, everything is permitted." And while he does mention Golden Dawn and other euro- right wing parties he isn't especially critical of them. Not all that familiar with Zizek's overarching philosophy but one wonders if he shouldn't be careful what he wishes for in terms of allies in the struggle against neoliberalism. Anyway, other than that lots to chew on here.
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"...However, statements like those from IMF demonstrate that the true problem lies elsewhere: does EU really believe in their own bailout plan? Does it really believe that the brutally imposed measures will set in motion economic growth and thus enable the payment of debts? Or is it that the ultimate motivation for the brutal extortionist pressure on Greece is not purely economic (since it is obviously irrational in economic terms) but politico-ideological – or, as Paul Krugman put it in the New York Times, "substantive surrender isn't enough for Germany, which wants regime change and total humiliation - and there's a substantial faction that just wants to push Greece out, and would more or less welcome a failed state as a caution for the rest." One should always bear in mind what a horror Syriza is for the European establishment – a Conservative Polish member of the European parliament even directly appealed to the Greek army to make a coup d'etat in order to save the country."
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"...At a deeper level, however, one cannot avoid a suspicion that the true goal is not to give Greece a chance but to change it into an economically colonised semi-state kept in permanent poverty and dependency, as a warning to others. But at an even deeper level, there is again a failure – not of Greece, but of Europe itself, of the emancipatory core of European legacy."
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"...Sounds familiar? Yes, to anyone who knows how Chinese power functions today, after Deng Xiaoping set in action a unique dual system: the state apparatus and legal system are redoubled by the Party institutions which are literally illegal - or, as He Weifang, a law professor from Beijing, put it succinctly: "As an organisation, the Party sits outside, and above the law. It should have a legal identity, in other words, a person to sue, but it is not even registered as an organization. The Party exists outside the legal system altogether." (Richard McGregor, The Party, London: Allen Lane 2010, p. 22) It is as if, in McGregor's words, the state-founding violence remain present, embodied in an organisation with an unclear legal status:"
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"...And it is crucial to note how the obverse of this non-transparency of power is false humanitarianism: after the Greek defeat, there is, of course, time for humanitarian concerns. Jean-Claude Juncker immediately stated in an interview that he was so glad about the bailout deal because it would immediately ease the suffering of the Greek people which worried him very much. Classic scenario: after a political crack-down, humanitarian concern and help… even postponing debt payments."
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"...In the guise of Syriza "contradictions", the EU establishment is merely getting back its own message in its true form. And this is what Syriza should be doing now. With a ruthless pragmatism and cold calculation, it should exploit the tiniest cracks in the opponent's armour. It should use all those who resist the predominant EU politics, from British conservatives to Ukip in the UK. It should shamelessly flirt with Russia and China, playing with the idea of giving an island to Russia as its Mediterranean military base, just to scare the shit out of Nato strategists. To paraphrase Dostoyevsky, now that the EU God has failed, everything is permitted."
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"...The ultimate problem is a much more basic one. The recurrent story of the contemporary Left is that of a leader or party elected with universal enthusiasm, promising a "new world" (Mandela, Lula) – but, then, sooner or later, usually after a couple of years, they stumble upon the key dilemma: does one dare to touch the capitalist mechanisms, or does one decide to "play the game"? If one disturbs the mechanisms, one is very swiftly "punished" by market perturbations, economic chaos and the rest."

Greece is not being asked to swallow many bitter pills in exchange for a realistic plan of economic revival, they are asked to suffer so that others in the European Union can go on dreaming their dream undisturbed.

The Italian philosopher Giorgio Agamben said in an interview that "thought is the courage of hopelessness" - an insight which is especially pertinent for our historical moment when even the most pessimist diagnostics as a rule finishes with an uplifting hint at some version of the proverbial light at the end of the tunnel. The true courage is not to imagine an alternative, but to accept the consequences of the fact that there is no clearly discernible alternative: the dream of an alternative is a sign of theoretical cowardice, it functions as a fetish which prevents us thinking to the end the deadlock of our predicament. In short, the true courage is to admit that the light at the end of the tunnel is most likely the headlight of another train approaching us from the opposite direction. There is no better example of the need for such courage than Greece today.

The double U-turn that took the Greek crisis in July 2015 cannot but appear as a step not just from tragedy to comedy but, as Stathis Kouvelakis noted in Jacobin magazine, from tragedy full of comic reversals directly into a theatre of the absurd – is there any other way to characterize the extraordinary reversal of one extreme into its opposite that would bedazzle even the most speculative Hegelian philosopher? Tired of the endless negotiations with the EU executives in which one humiliation followed another, Syriza called for a referendum on Sunday July 5 asking the Greek people if they support or reject the EU proposal of new austerity measures. Although the government itself clearly stated that it supported No, the result was a surprise: the overwhelming majority of more than 61 per cent voted No to European blackmail. Rumors began to circulate that the result – victory for the government – was a bad surprise for Alexis Tsipras himself who secretly hope that the government would lose, so that a defeat will allow him to save face in surrendering to the EU demands ("we have to respect the voters' voice"). However, literally the morning after, Tsipras announced that Greece was ready to resume the negotiations, and days later Greece negotiated a EU proposal which is basically the same as what the voters rejected (in some details even harsher) – in short, he acted as if the government has lost, not won, the referendum. As Kouvelakis wrote:

"How is it possible for a devastating 'no' to memorandum austerity policies to be interpreted as a green light for a new memorandum? … The sense of the absurd is not just a product of this unexpected reversal. It stems above all from the fact that all of this is unfolding before our eyes as if nothing has happened, as if the referendum were something like a collective hallucination that suddenly ends, leaving us to continue freely what we were doing before. But because we have not all become lotus-eaters, let us at least give a brief résumé of what has taken place over the past few days. … From Monday morning, before the victory cries in the country's public squares had even fully died away, the theater of the absurd began. …

The public, still in the joyful haze of Sunday, watches as the representative of the 62 percent subordinated to the 38 percent in the immediate aftermath of a resounding victory for democracy and popular sovereignty. … But the referendum happened. It wasn't a hallucination from which everyone has now recovered. On the contrary, the hallucination is the attempt to downgrade it to a temporary 'letting off of steam,' prior to resuming the downhill course towards a third memorandum."

And things went on in this direction. On the night of July 10, the Greek Parliament gave Alexis Tsipras the authority to negotiate a new bailout by 250 votes to 32, but 17 government MPs didn't back the plan, which means he got more support from the opposition parties than from his own. Days later, the Syriza Political Secretariat dominated by the left wing of the party concluded that EU's latest proposals are "absurd" and "exceed the limits of Greek society's endurance" – Leftist extremism?

But IMF itself (in this case a voice of minimally rational capitalism) made exactly the same point: an IMF study published a day earlier showed that Greece needs far more debt relief than European governments have been willing to contemplate so far - European countries would have to give Greece a 30-year grace period on servicing all its European debt, including new loans, and a dramatic maturity extension…

No wonder that Tsipras himself publicly stated his doubt about the bailout plan: "We don't believe in the measures that were imposed upon us," he said during a TV interview, making it clear that he supports it out of pure despair, to avoid a total economic and financial collapse. The eurocrats use such confessions with breathtaking perfidity: now that the Greek government accepted their the tough conditions, they doubt the sincerity and seriousness of their commitment. How can Tsipras really fight for a program he doesn't believe in? How can the Greek government be really committed to the agreement when it opposes the referendum result?

However, statements like those from IMF demonstrate that the true problem lies elsewhere: does EU really believe in their own bailout plan? Does it really believe that the brutally imposed measures will set in motion economic growth and thus enable the payment of debts? Or is it that the ultimate motivation for the brutal extortionist pressure on Greece is not purely economic (since it is obviously irrational in economic terms) but politico-ideological – or, as Paul Krugman put it in the New York Times, "substantive surrender isn't enough for Germany, which wants regime change and total humiliation - and there's a substantial faction that just wants to push Greece out, and would more or less welcome a failed state as a caution for the rest." One should always bear in mind what a horror Syriza is for the European establishment – a Conservative Polish member of the European parliament even directly appealed to the Greek army to make a coup d'etat in order to save the country.

Why this horror? Greeks are now asked to pay the high price, but not for a realist perspective of growth. The price they are asked to pay is for the continuation of the "extend and pretend" fantasy. They are asked to ascend to their actual suffering in order to sustain another's (eurocrats') dream. Gilles Deleuze said decades ago: Si vous etez pris dans le reve de l'autre, vous etez foutus. ("if you are caught into another's dream, you are fucked"), and this is the situation in which Greece finds itself now. Greeks are not asked to swallow many bitter pills for a realistic plan of economic revival, they are asked to suffer so that others can go on dreaming their dream undisturbed.

The one who now needs awakening is not Greece but Europe. Everyone who is not caught in this dream knows what awaits us if the bailout plan is enacted: another 90 or so billions will be thrown into the Greek basket, raising the Greek debt to 400 or so billion euros (and most of them will quickly return back to Western Europe - the true bailout is the bailout of German and French banks, not of Greece), and we can expect the same crisis to explode in a couple of years.

But is such an outcome really a failure? At an immediate level, if one compares the plan with its actual outcome, obviously yes. At a deeper level, however, one cannot avoid a suspicion that the true goal is not to give Greece a chance but to change it into an economically colonised semi-state kept in permanent poverty and dependency, as a warning to others. But at an even deeper level, there is again a failure – not of Greece, but of Europe itself, of the emancipatory core of European legacy.

The No of the referendum was undoubtedly a great ethico-political act: against a well-coordinated enemy propaganda spreading fears and lies, with no clear prospect of what lies ahead, against all pragmatic and "realist" odds, the Greek people heroically rejected the brutal pressure of the EU. The Greek No was an authentic gesture of freedom and autonomy, but the big question is, of course, what happens the day after, when we have to return from the ecstatic negation to the everyday dirty business – and here, another unity emerged, the unity of the "pragmatic" forces (Syriza and the big opposition parties) against the Syriza Left and Golden Dawn. But does this mean that the long struggle of Syriza was in vain, that the No of the referendum was just a sentimental empty gesture destined to make the capitulation more palpable?

The really catastrophic thing about the Greek crisis is that the moment the choice appeared as the choice between Grexit and the capitulation to Brussels, the battle was already lost. Both terms of this choice move within the predominant eurocratic vision (remember that the German anti-Greek hardliners like Wolfgang Schauble also prefer Grexit!). The Syriza government was not fighting just for a greater debt relief and for more new money within the same overall coordinates, but for the awakening of Europe from its dogmatic slumber.

Therein resides the authentic greatness of Syriza: insofar as the icon of the popular unrest in Greece were the protests on the Syntagma (Constitution) Square, Syriza engaged in a Herculean labor of enacting the shift from syntagm to paradigm, in the long and patient work of translating the energy of rebellion into concrete measures that would change everyday life of the people. We have to be very precise here: the No of the Greek referendum was not a No to "austerity" in the sense of necessary sacrifices and hard work, but a No to the the EU dream of just going on with the business as usual.

The country's former finance minister, Yanis Varoufakis, repeatedly made this point clear: no more borrowing but an overall rehaul needed to give the Greek economy a chance to rebound. The first step in this direction should be an increase in the democratic transparency of our power mechanisms. Our democratically elected state apparatuses are thus more and more redoubled by a thick network of "agreements" and non-elected "expert" bodies which yield the real economic (and military) power. Here is Varoufakis's report on an extraordinary moment in his dealings with EU negotiator Jeroen Dijsselbloem:

"There was a moment when the President of the Eurogroup decided to move against us and effectively shut us out, and made it known that Greece was essentially on its way out of the Eurozone. /…/ There is a convention that communiqués must be unanimous, and the President can't just convene a meeting of the Eurozone and exclude a member state. And he said, 'Oh I'm sure I can do that.' So I asked for a legal opinion. It created a bit of a kerfuffle.

For about 5-10 minutes the meeting stopped, clerks, officials were talking to one another, on their phone, and eventually some official, some legal expert addressed me, and said the following words: 'Well, the Eurogroup does not exist in law, there is no treaty which has convened this group.' So what we have is a non-existent group that has the greatest power to determine the lives of Europeans. It's not answerable to anyone, given it doesn't exist in law; no minutes are kept; and it's confidential. So no citizen ever knows what is said within… These are decisions of almost life and death, and no member has to answer to anybody."

Sounds familiar? Yes, to anyone who knows how Chinese power functions today, after Deng Xiaoping set in action a unique dual system: the state apparatus and legal system are redoubled by the Party institutions which are literally illegal - or, as He Weifang, a law professor from Beijing, put it succinctly: "As an organisation, the Party sits outside, and above the law. It should have a legal identity, in other words, a person to sue, but it is not even registered as an organization. The Party exists outside the legal system altogether." (Richard McGregor, The Party, London: Allen Lane 2010, p. 22) It is as if, in McGregor's words, the state-founding violence remain present, embodied in an organisation with an unclear legal status:

"It would seem difficult to hide an organization as large as the Chinese Communist Party, but it cultivates its backstage role with care. The big party departments controlling personnel and the media keep a purposely low public profile. The party committees (known as 'leading small groups') which guide and dictate policy to ministries, which in turn have the job of executing them, work out of sight. The make-up of all these committees, and in many cases even their existence, is rarely referred to in the state-controlled media, let alone any discussion of how they arrive at decisions."

No wonder that exactly the same thing happened to Varoufakis as to a Chinese dissident who, some years ago, formally brought to court and charged the Chinese Communist Party for being guilty of the Tienanmien massacre. After a couple of months, he got a reply from the ministry of justice: they cannot pursue his charge since there is no organization called "Chinese Communist Party" officially registered in China.

And it is crucial to note how the obverse of this non-transparency of power is false humanitarianism: after the Greek defeat, there is, of course, time for humanitarian concerns. Jean-Claude Juncker immediately stated in an interview that he was so glad about the bailout deal because it would immediately ease the suffering of the Greek people which worried him very much. Classic scenario: after a political crack-down, humanitarian concern and help… even postponing debt payments.

What should one do in such a hopeless situation? One should especially resist the temptation of Grexit as a great heroic act of rejecting further humiliations and stepping outside - into what? What new positive order are we stepping into? The Grexit option appears as the "real-impossible", as something that would lead to an immediate social disintegration. Krugman writes: "Tsipras apparently allowed himself to be convinced, some time ago, that euro exit was completely impossible. It appears that Syriza didn't even do any contingency planning for a parallel currency (I hope to find out that this is wrong). This left him in a hopeless bargaining position."

Krugman's point is that Grexit is also an "impossible-real" which can happen with unpredictable consequences and which, as such, can be risked.

"All the wise heads saying that Grexit is impossible, that it would lead to a complete implosion, don't know what they are talking about. When I say that, I don't mean that they're necessarily wrong - I believe they are, but anyone who is confident about anything here is deluding himself. What I mean instead is that nobody has any experience with what we're looking at."

While in principle this is true, there are nonetheless too many indications that a sudden Grexit now would lead to utter economic and social catastrophe. Syriza economic strategists are well aware that such a gesture would cause an immediate further fall of the standard of living for an additional (minimum) 30 per cent, bringing misery to a new unbearable level, with the threat of popular unrest and even military dictatorship. The prospect of such heroic acts is thus a temptation to be resisted.

Then there are calls for Syriza to return to its roots: Syriza should not become just another governing parliamentary party, the true change can only come from grassroots, from the people themselves, from their self-organization, not from the state apparatuses… another case of empty posturing, since it avoids the crucial problem which is how to deal with the international pressure concerning debt, or, more generally, how to exert power and run a state. Grassroots self-organization cannot replace the state, and the question is how to reorganize the state apparatus to make it function differently.

It's nonetheless not enough to say that Syriza put a heroic fight, testing what is possible - the fight goes on, it has just began. Instead of dwelling on the "contradictions" of Syriza policy (after a triumphant No one accepts the very program that was rejected by the people), and of getting caught in mutual recriminations about who is guilty (did the Syriza majority commit an opportunistic "treason", or was the Left irresponsible in its preference for Grexit), one should rather focus on what the enemy is doing: the "contradictions" of Syriza are a mirror image of the "contradictions" of the EU establishment gradually undermining the very foundations of united Europe.

In the guise of Syriza "contradictions", the EU establishment is merely getting back its own message in its true form. And this is what Syriza should be doing now. With a ruthless pragmatism and cold calculation, it should exploit the tiniest cracks in the opponent's armour. It should use all those who resist the predominant EU politics, from British conservatives to Ukip in the UK. It should shamelessly flirt with Russia and China, playing with the idea of giving an island to Russia as its Mediterranean military base, just to scare the shit out of Nato strategists. To paraphrase Dostoyevsky, now that the EU God has failed, everything is permitted.

When one hears the complaints that the EU administration brutally ignores the plight of the Greek people in their blind obsession with humiliating and disciplining the Greeks, that even Southern-European countries like Italy or Spain didn't show any solidarity with Greece, our reaction should be: but is there any surprise in all this? What did the critics expect? That the EU administration will magically understand the Syriza argumentation and act in compliance with it? The EU administration is simply doing what it was always doing. Then there is the reproach that Greece is looking for help in Russia and China – as if Europe itself is not pushing Greece in that direction with its humiliating pressure.

Then there is the claim that phenomena like Syriza demonstrate how the traditional Left/Right dichotomy is outlived. Syriza in Greece is called extreme Left, and Marine le Pen in France extreme Right, but these two parties have effectively a lot in common: they both fight for state sovereignty, against multinational corporations. It is therefore quite logical that in Greece itself, Syriza is in coalition with a small Rightist pro-sovereignty party. On April 22, 2015, Francois Hollande said on TV that Marine le Pen today sounds like George Marchais (a French Communist leader) in 1970s – the same patriotic advocacy of the plight of ordinary French people exploited by international capital – no wonder Marine le Pen supports Syriza . . . a weird claim which doesn't say a lot more than the old Liberal wisdom than Fascism is also a kind of Socialism. The moment we bring into the picture the topic of immigrant workers, this whole parallel falls apart.

The ultimate problem is a much more basic one. The recurrent story of the contemporary Left is that of a leader or party elected with universal enthusiasm, promising a "new world" (Mandela, Lula) – but, then, sooner or later, usually after a couple of years, they stumble upon the key dilemma: does one dare to touch the capitalist mechanisms, or does one decide to "play the game"? If one disturbs the mechanisms, one is very swiftly "punished" by market perturbations, economic chaos and the rest.

The heroism of Syriza was that, after winning the democratic political battle, they risked a step further into disturbing the smooth run of the Capital. The lesson of the Greek crisis is that Capital, though ultimately a symbolic fiction, is our Real. That is to say, today's protests and revolts are sustained by the combination (overlapping) of different levels, and this combination accounts for their strength: they fight for ("normal" parliamentary) democracy against authoritarian regimes; against racism and sexism, especially the hatred directed at immigrants and refugees; for welfare-state against neoliberalism; against corruption in politics and economy (companies polluting environment, etc.); for new forms of democracy that reach beyond multi-party rituals (participation, etc.); and, finally, questioning the global capitalist system as such and trying to keep alive the idea of a non-capitalist society. Both traps are to be avoided here: the false radicalism ("what really matters is the abolition of liberal-parliamentary capitalism, all other fights are secondary"), as well as the false gradualism ("now we fight against military dictatorship and for simple democracy, forget your Socialist dreams, this comes later – maybe…").

When we have to deal with a specific struggle, the key question is: how will our engagement in it or disengagement from it affect other struggles? The general rule is that, when a revolt begins against an oppressive half-democratic regime, as was the case in the Middle East in 2011, it is easy to mobilize large crowds with slogans which one cannot but characterise as crowd pleasers – for democracy, against corruption, etc. But then we gradually approach more difficult choices: when our revolt succeeds in its direct goal, we come to realize that what really bothered us (our un-freedom, humiliation, social corruption, lack of prospect of a decent life) goes on in a new guise. In Egypt, protesters succeeded in getting rid of the oppressive Mubarak regime, but corruption remained, and the prospect of a decent life moved even further away. After the overthrow of an authoritarian regime, the last vestiges of patriarchal care for the poor can fall away, so that the newly gained freedom is de facto reduced to the freedom to choose the preferred form of one's misery – the majority not only remains poor, but, to add insult to injury, it is being told that, since they are now free, poverty is their own responsibility. In such a predicament, we have to admit that there was flaw in our goal itself, that this goal was not specific enough - say, that standard political democracy can also serve as the very form of un-freedom: political freedom can easily provide the legal frame for economic slavery, with the underprivileged "freely" selling themselves into servitude. We are thus brought to demand more than just political democracy – democratization also of social and economic life. In short, we have to admit that what we first took as the failure to fully realize a noble principle (of democratic freedom) is a failure inherent to this principle itself – to learn this move from the distortion of a notion, its incomplete realization, to the distortion immanent to this notion is the big step of political pedagogy.

The ruling ideology mobilises here its entire arsenal to prevent us from reaching this radical conclusion. They start to tell us that democratic freedom brings its own responsibility, that it comes at a price, that we are not yet mature if we expect too much from democracy. In this way, they blame us for our failure: in a free society, so we are told, we are all capitalist investing in our lives, deciding to put more into our education than into having fun if we want to succeed, etc. At a more directly political level, the US foreign policy elaborated a detailed strategy of how to exert damage control by way of re-channeling a popular uprising into acceptable parliamentary-capitalist constraints – as was done successfully in South Africa after the fall of apartheid regime, in Philippines after the fall of Marcos, in Indonesia after the fall of Suharto, etc. At this precise conjuncture, radical emancipatory politics faces its greatest challenge: how to push things further after the first enthusiastic stage is over, how to make the next step without succumbing to the catastrophe of the "totalitarian" temptation – in short, how to move further from Mandela without becoming Mugabe.

The courage of hopelessness is crucial at this point.

[Jul 21, 2015] Greece: plea for unity as banks reopen

"...Well, they found out how hard it is when you have no leverage to put up a strong fight. "
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"...The whole premise that the EU would crumble if Greece left the EU was pushed by Yanis V....and he was 2 years to late to the party... the markets had priced in the Grexit over the last 3 years and it showed in the lack of volatility during the leadup to the Vote."
Jul 20, 2015 | The Guardian

KateShade -> curious3 21 Jul 2015 10:49

Curious3, here is the direct quote from the July 12th Proposal (downloaded from BBC)

"to develop a significantly scaled up privatisation programme with improved governance; valuable Greek assets will be transferred to an independent fund that will monetize the assets through privatisations and other means. The monetization of the assets will be one source to make the scheduled repayment of the new loan of ESM and generate over the life of the new loan a targeted total of EUR 50bn of which EUR 25bn will be used for the repayment of recapitalization of banks and other assets and 50 % of every remaining euro (i.e. 50% of EUR 25bn) will be used for decreasing the debt to GDP ratio and the remaining 50 % will be used for investments."

thecatspyjamas2 -> picar52 21 Jul 2015 10:21

As Paul Krugman said yesterday " I find it hard to believe they didn't have a plan B" ...That was the worst thing they did...not just the stupid promises they made..but the fact they had no leverage AND they did not have the common sense to even try to create some fake leverage during the negotiations. Syriza must have thought the previous Greeks in charge just did not put up any fight against the Austerity.

Well, they found out how hard it is when you have no leverage to put up a strong fight.

The whole premise that the EU would crumble if Greece left the EU was pushed by Yanis V....and he was 2 years to late to the party... the markets had priced in the Grexit over the last 3 years and it showed in the lack of volatility during the leadup to the Vote.

KateShade -> curious3 21 Jul 2015 09:41

Dear curious, according to July 12 summit proposal 50% of money is to go on recapitalizing banks, 25% on bringing down debt to GDP ratio and 25% on investment.
So the answer to the question how much of money raised is to go on interest is "none".
Does that clarify things?

picar52 -> TokyoJones 21 Jul 2015 06:55

I appreciate your comments and will reply in as few words as possible. My dismay is not solely with the present government but with the whole political establishment that has ever since the beginning of the crisis, in 2009, consistently avoided doing their bit with regard to each and every agreement they signed with the troika, etc. As a result they all lost international credibility, as the only game they ever knew how to play was that of populist rhetoric vis-a-vis the local electorate. In fact George Papandreou, who was in power for three years (2009-11), did absolutely nothing in terms of reforms. The opposition parties, conservative New Democracy and left Syriza attacked the PASOK government in every possible way. Meanwhile, in other southern European countries, the opposition parties took a more responsible approach and thus measures were introduced that ensured that their crises quickly ended. In Greece however, things took a different turn. And the end result is there for all to see.

I shall give you another example of populist misleading rhetoric. Andreas Papandreou, who first gained power in 1981, got elected on slogans such as

EEC and NATO, the same syndicate! (EOK kai NATO to idio syndikato!)

or

Out with the (US military) bases of death! (Exo oi vaseis tou thanatou!)

Papandreou had promised (in 1981) to hold a referendum for Greeks to decide to on membership of the EEC. When elected, he never held it. He promised to close down the US military bases. He never did - instead the US stopped operating them because they no longer served their purpose.

So please understand, Greek politicians are a special breed. Their cynical streak as regards the implementation of measures required to gain power is probably unmatched in any other European democracy.

Europeans who have not experienced this at close hand cannot appreciate the level of lying and hypocrisy we have had to put up with.


bally38 -> areianos 21 Jul 2015 06:43

1. Please Stop shouting.
2. Credit Default Swaps were triggered. Here's the story in Reuters (march 2012)
3. "WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE SUCH MEDIA MUPPETS" As they say, when you point the finger, three fingers are pointing back at you.


areianos Grishnakh 21 Jul 2015 06:21

This is the last of it, after 2015 debt is highly manageable.

http://graphics.wsj.com/greece-debt-timeline/

Varoufakis is an intelligent and honourable man and fought for the people very well

Tsipras had to make the most difficult executive decision of his life.

By January 2016 the Greek crisis will be over.

I don't blame Germany for protecting its own unregulated and gambling interests I just find it somewhat unique that Americans have more concern about the Greeks in Greece than Germans.

[Jul 20, 2015] The Dangerously Vague Romance of War by Shane Smith

July 20, 2015 | original.antiwar.com
Which sounds better, to "die for your government", or "give your life for your country"? The first could be interpreted, after a mountain of bodies pile up, as a mistake. As something that would seem to require scrutiny, admissions of having been wrong, of blame to be placed. Dying for a government, or more precisely, dying for a select group of political figures at a certain moment in time for very specific reasons, doesn't hide behind a fluttering flag quite as well as "dying for country". Which is why we never hear it. War, in the mind of the Middle America that still thinks on it, is shrouded in a sepia-toned composite of images and sounds, stories of soldiers, duty to country, service, songs, movies, and myth that give politicians far more leverage than they would otherwise have, when executing another war. No, "service to country" is the emotional and moral narcotic we administer to ourselves, almost automatically, at the inception of a new war. War is all wrapped up in our American Mythos so tight that it seems astonishing that we haven't descended utterly into a pure American-style fascism. Maybe a few more 9/11-style attacks and the transformation would be complete. 9/11 was an unparalleled opportunity for the explosion of government growth, and as much as "war is the health of the State", so are foreign attacks on the home State, attacks that can be perfectly molded so as to stoke the maximum amount of nationalist rage from the citizens. Those attacks were a godsend for a government that had been starved of an actual threat for far too long. And they took full advantage of the opportunity. Fourteen years later, the Warfare State is petering out from the evaporating fumes of 9/11, and their looking for a new fix.

But what of those who lied the country into igniting a regional dumpster fire after 9/11? Once the war hysteria evaporates, where are What would it really take to hold any one politician for a military disaster halfway around the world? It is blindingly obvious that there will never be a reckoning for those who hustled us into the Iraq war. What about Libya? Syria? How bad does it have to get for there to be something resembling accountability? War atrocities seem to have become less of a chance for justice and lessons learned than as a new precedent that the progenitors of the next war can point to when their war goes bad. And creators of war did learn a few things from Iraq and Afghanistan. They learned that flag-draped coffins do focus the attention of the citizenry. And drone strikes don't, really.

That hazy collage of feel-good nationalism is trotted out every election year, and every candidate engages in it to one degree or another. Peace is a hard sell next to the belligerent effusions of a Donald Trump. His crazed rantings against immigrants, his bizarre fantasies as to how he would handle world leaders via telephone call, as well as his boorishness in general, has thousands flocking to hear him speak. But what they're cheering is an avatar of a blood-soaked ideology, one that cloaks itself in the native symbols and culture, breeding hate and intolerance, until the bilious nationalism reaches just the right temperature and then boils over into lawless fascism. As Jeffrey Tucker points out, Trump is nothing new. The graveyard of twentieth century tyrannies is a testament to just how much death and destruction can be induced by a charismatic parasite bellowing the tenets of a flag-wrapped tyranny. Most of what we hear coming from leaders today is fascism to a greater or lesser extent. If what we mean by fascism to be a Religion of the State, a militant nationalism taken to its logical conclusion, then every leader engages in it, because it ignites something primitive and sinister in the minds of voters.

We understand war theoretically, and distantly, but what of those who are forced to carry out the fever dreams of politicians? Blindly thanking veterans for their service, we feel a sense of duty discharged, and never think to look more deeply into their traumas, or the scheme they were tricked into executing. Military recruiters, the unscrupulous peddlers of military slavery, are treated as a benign influence on young people today. Their pushy, overindulgent attitude toward our 18-year olds should piss us off more than it does, since what they are conning the young into is becoming the expendable plaything for the whims of the current Administration.

War is the pith of total government. The source of all its power, war and the threat of war provide the excuse for every injustice, every outrage, every restriction of liberty or further bilking of the citizen-hosts. As the Warfare State trots out the familiar sermons of threats from abroad, potential greatness at home, and wars to be fought, one would do well to reflect that war enriches the State at the expense of the rest of us. It consumes our lives, our liberty, our wallets, and the future of our children and grandchildren. The current crop of candidates who peddle military greatness are the enemy of peace and prosperity, and when they so openly declaim their lust for war, we should frankly believe what they say. And after hearing them, we should recognize the would-be tyrant in our midst, hawking hyper-militarism under the guise of national greatness, and treat them like the vermin they clearly are.

Shane Smith lives in Norman, Oklahoma and writes for Red Dirt Report.

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[Jul 19, 2015] Negotiating with Germany is a Waste of Time

"...Germany is a loanshark with a gang of Northern countries and they just kneecapped Greece to get the word out in the neighborhood, aka Eurozone. This isn't about moral hazard, it's Germany saying to the periphery if you don't submit we will pound you into the ground."
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"...Since Prof. Varoufakis is an expert in Game Theory, I'm surprised that he didn't realize that BEFORE he started negotiations. If the Eurozone hardliners gave in to Greece, they would have to give the same deal to everyone who asked for it.
I wonder if he's going to use this experience in his classes."

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"..."Ireland, Spain and Portugal endured the pain associated with their bailouts and emerged economically stronger." Lies. Europe is sinking into economic weakness because of Germany's insane ideas about economics."
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"...The euro is essentially the successor to the Deutsche mark, whatever other Europeans might think of it. Germany's currency had far more global weight than those of the other members before the monetary union was created, and Germany's exit would destroy the euro immediately."
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"...I do not hate Germans, my family are of German descent and I have German friends. What I hate are destructive neoliberal policies like those imposed by the German government. Let us be clear, from all reports the people who refuse to negotiate here are the Germans. The French, Italians, and others have shown some flexibility, but the Germans have not, and as the dominant economy in the ECU, they pretty much get their way."
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"...Germany and the UK have been fighting for decades (really since Bismark) over who should politically run Europe. That is why the so called UK "exit" from the EU is a real joke. More like hurt feelings of being the loser. "
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"...Let's not waste time with wishful thoughts about the foresight of the German elites. As they so often say, "We Germans reject Keynesian economics." Indeed. They reject not only deficit spending in a liquidity trap but, more fundamentally, the paradox of thrift, and not just as the paradox applies to households but also as it applies to sovereign nations.
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So the German elites announce, over and over again, their dictum for the rest of Europe. "Imitate Germany! Be more competitive!" That is to say, always run a large current-account surplus.
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"We Germans reject Keynesian economics." Should we call this MerkelNomics? Sort of like Herbert Hoover economics. Or Cameron-Osborne economics. The kind of stupidity that JohnH apparently hearts. Of course this is also the economics of the modern Republican Party. We are ruled by morons. "
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"...The historic way a weaker economy became more competitive was to have a weaker currency and to protect its developing industry with various protections against imports. That route is not available to the periphery nations."
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"...Stripped of ambitions for a political and economic union, the bloc changes into a utilitarian project
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A few things that many of us took for granted, and that some of us believed in, ended in a single weekend. By forcing Alexis Tsipras into a humiliating defeat, Greece's creditors have done a lot more than bring about regime change in Greece or endanger its relations with the eurozone. They have destroyed the eurozone as we know it and demolished the idea of a monetary union as a step towards a democratic political union.
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In doing so they reverted to the nationalist European power struggles of the 19th and early 20th century. They demoted the eurozone into a toxic fixed exchange-rate system, with a shared single currency, run in the interests of Germany, held together by the threat of absolute destitution for those who challenge the prevailing order. The best thing that can be said of the weekend is the brutal honesty of those perpetrating this regime change."
Jul 13, 2015 | Economist's View

David

Germany is a loanshark with a gang of Northern countries and they just kneecapped Greece to get the word out in the neighborhood, aka Eurozone. This isn't about moral hazard, it's Germany saying to the periphery if you don't submit we will pound you into the ground.

What a great democratic experiment. And what a model of solidarity and social cohesion. What a joke.

anne -> Peter K....

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=11bD

January 15, 2015

Government debt and balance of trade as shares of Gross Domestic Product for France, 2000-2012

(Percent)

[ President Hollande has been shockingly conservative or a staunch conservative wearing socialist clothes. ]

DrDick -> anne...

It has been pretty obviously the latter from the outset. He is a socialist in name only, much like the British Labour Party these days.

MacAuley -> Peter K....

Since Prof. Varoufakis is an expert in Game Theory, I'm surprised that he didn't realize that BEFORE he started negotiations. If the Eurozone hardliners gave in to Greece, they would have to give the same deal to everyone who asked for it.
I wonder if he's going to use this experience in his classes.

pgl

"be willing to act unilaterally, be willing to default unilaterally, have a plan for achieving primary surplus if you haven't already achieved it, have a hard default and euro exit (now possible, thanks to the Germans) option in your back pocket, and be willing to use it at the first sign of hassle from the ECB."

YES! Only edit to this comes from the fact that Greece already has a large primary surplus. Exit the Euro Zone and say the heck with the Germans.

Fred C. Dobbs

(Many hold that Germany should have given
in to Greece, not the other way around.
That was not to be. Go figure.)

The Greek Deal Is a Disaster for Greece, and Maybe
for Europe http://nyti.ms/1UUXCHl via @UpshotNYT
NYT - Neil Irwin - July 13

For years, Greece's negotiations with its European creditors have featured moments in which all parties stare into the abyss, fear what they see, and step back to reach a deal.

On Monday, there was yet another deal. But this time it is one that pushes Greece into the abyss, even if financial markets don't acknowledge it just yet and even if what happens next is deeply uncertain.

Greece already has 26 percent unemployment, a tourism industry that is suffering as would-be visitors stay away, and banks and a stock market that have been closed going on three weeks. Just a week ago, its voters overwhelmingly rejected a bailout offer that was less punitive than the one its leaders just accepted.

Yet the deal that Greek leaders and their creditors reached Monday morning after a brutal series of overnight talks promise to deepen political and economic strains in a country already in depression.

It was a momentous weekend for Europe, and not in a good way. The deal will keep Greece in the eurozone at least a while longer, at great cost, and with little certainty about the future of either Greece or Europe in the not too distant future.

In exchange for a cash lifeline, the country has agreed to much greater concessions than those that were under discussion a few weeks ago. Among them: higher taxes, cuts to government pensions and a sell-off of $55 billion worth of state assets in order to recapitalize banks and make debt payments. That last strategy is a little like a family selling off its furniture to make its mortgage payment; you can do it, but it does not exactly amount to a long-term solution.

A week ago, thousands of Greeks crowded Syntagma Square, in front of the nation's parliament, celebrating their country's emphatic "No" vote on a proposed financial rescue. Right and left, old and young, the Greek people were united: They would not accept the further austerity that Germany and other European countries were demanding as a condition of further bailout money. ...

(The new harsh scheme can only work if Greece corrects
a lot of 'systemic problems', and - unfortunately -
maybe not even then.)
Monday, July 13, 2015 at 12:24 PM

Fred C. Dobbs -> Fred C. Dobbs...

The Eurozone's Damaging Deal for Greece
http://nyti.ms/1JeyJgO
NYT - editorial - July 13

In the end, after trying every possible tactic, Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras of Greece threw in the towel and accepted the toughest demands yet made by creditors to extend life support for Greece and keep it in the eurozone. That may avert an immediate catastrophe, but there is little to celebrate since it will do little to address, much less repair, the slow-moving disaster of the Greek economy.

The Greek Parliament has to approve the main portions of the package by Wednesday just to start negotiations on a new three-year bailout of up to 86 billion euros ($96 billion). Despite pleas from the Greeks for debt relief, the creditors gave only vague indications that they might consider easing terms on Greece's total debt of more than 300 billion euros, which it cannot possibly repay.

Mr. Tsipras certainly didn't help his cause with the European leaders by calling for a confusing last-minute referendum, in which Greek voters rejected an earlier bailout deal. And now his capitulation has enraged members of his left-wing Syriza party, raising the possibility of another national election, with the attendant unknowns, or at least a thorough reshuffling of the government.

The guiding notion behind the creation of the European Union was to resolve problems like this through consensus and cooperation. Instead, the final 17-hour negotiating session was marked by acrimony not only between Greece and the European leaders, but also between Germany and France; between the German finance minister and the head of the European Central Bank; between north and south, east and west.

So the tragedy is not only that the Greek debt crisis has no end in sight, but that instead of the one-for-all-and-all-for-one ethic that was supposed to govern Europe, the rancorous talks showed a roomful of national leaders with sharply differing conceptions of what to do about a bankrupt fellow member.

The Greek Parliament is likely to accept the deal, if only because there is no choice. Austerity will remain firmly in place, and the increased taxes and reduced pension payments imposed in the package will only further erode the demand that the Greek economy needs to avoid a deepening depression. The deal also requires that a fund be created to sell off public assets worth 50 billion euros to repay debts and recapitalize banks, a condition hard for a socialist government to swallow, and continued monitoring of Greece's adherence to bailout terms by the International Monetary Fund. ...
Monday, July 13, 2015 at 05:16 PM

Eric

there is only one problem with this plan, there is no popular support for it.

Some of you probably think that if the economy in some countries continues to stagnate, this attitude will change. But popular support for the euro in those countries is not about macro-economics, but because they don't trust their own politicians to handle their own currencies properly.

I think there is a higher chance that the Northern countries exit the eurozone than the troubled countries, even when it would be wise from a macro economic perspective.

David -> Eric...

Actually there are lot of problems with it as others have posted.

Odd note. when did the Finns become jerks? I have known a few who were super cool. I get there's a politics thing but I expected this out of Germany, not the Finns.

Peter K. -> Eric...

"but because they don't trust their own politicians to handle their own currencies properly."

You have no evidence of this and just are making things up out of thin air.

pgl -> Peter K....

Eric does not even know the difference between the overall surplus/deficit versus the primary surplus. Dumb? Dishonest? Either way - he is a troll.

am -> pgl...

I thought also that the ps had disappeared since the start of the year.

But the mystery in all of the crisis has been the wish to retain the euro by the Greek people. It may be some sense of belonging to the euro group that they desire. But it is more like knowing the history of the drachma. His point that Peter copied in is not all unreasonable.

They don't want the drachma because monetary and fiscal policy may revert to drachma like figures of the past, including devaluation.

I posted up a link before on the recent history of the drachma. From ww2 to the collapse of the Bretton Wood institutions it was good: called the golden period. From 1972 or thereabouts until the attempt at convergence to join the euro it was very poor. During the convergence period it was good. I think the people can remember the bad period with devaluations. It was one of the reasons they wanted to join the euro.

Eric

''Want the Euro? Be More Like the Germans''

...

The euro is essentially the successor to the Deutsche mark, whatever other Europeans might think of it. Germany's currency had far more global weight than those of the other members before the monetary union was created, and Germany's exit would destroy the euro immediately. By contrast, the common currency could feasibly survive the exit of any other member, probably even France. If you want to use an essentially German currency, you have to be a little German. That means low or nonexistent budget deficits, extreme tax discipline (tax dodging in Germany is not just a crime -- it causes genuine moral outrage), and a rule-based approach to government and economic life.

Europeans like the euro, and most of them make an honest attempt at German-ness. Ireland, Spain and Portugal endured the pain associated with their bailouts and emerged economically stronger. Their political landscape also became more German: The center left and the center right, increasingly indistinguishable from one another, alternate in power or even share it, and the extreme right and extreme left have been marginalized. In Greece, the extreme left won. That was extremely un-German. The result is politically -- and probably economically -- disastrous for Greece.

The message for other euro countries is that if they want to enjoy the trade, convenience and interest-rate benefits of the common currency, they cannot afford to elect the far left and far right. The German-led currency union will fight back and make it painful. If Podemos wins in Spain, or if the Finns Party triumphs in Finland, they will need to take their countries out of the euro area to escape Greece's fate.
...

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-07-13/want-the-euro-be-more-like-the-germans

David -> Eric...

How rule based were the Germans after WW2 when their debt was forgiven and they were gifted the Marshall plan after they started the worst war in human history, genocide etc. This was the greatest crime foriveness in human history.

DrDick -> David ...

Also after WW I, when they defaulted on their debts.

Peter K. -> Eric...

Wow what a horrible piece. Not surprising coming from Eric.

"Ireland, Spain and Portugal endured the pain associated with their bailouts and emerged economically stronger."

Lies. Europe is sinking into economic weakness because of Germany's insane ideas about economics.

Peter K. -> Eric...

"Leonid Bershidsky is a Bloomberg View columnist. He is a Berlin-based writer, author of three novels and two nonfiction books."

The Germans are reverting to form.

Just saw Brad Pitt's movie Fury. Good movie. Pitt kills a lot of Nazis as the Americans invade Germany.

Peter K. -> Peter K....

Pitt likes to kill Nazis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grq0rhtbtAw

Peter K.

Feckless as Syriza? What other choice did they have?

One. Default and exit. But the Greeks don't want to do that, so why have a backup plan? I don't really go along with these criticisms of Tsipras and Syriza. Nobody could have done better. Being "nice" to the Germans wouldn't have mattered at all. The Greeks were nice for 5 years and just gave them a broken economy.

The Greeks recognized it wasn't working and elected Syriza to get a better deal. They couldn't. They held a referendum and the Greeks voted No to the austerity deal. But they don't want to leave the Eurozone so they have to accept the bailout terms. They're in a no win situaion.

I agree with Krugman and Dean Baker that default and getting your own monetary policy is the way to go, but the Greeks don't want to leave Europe.

John Cummings -> Eric...

I suspect there is a bunch of pro-anglo sentiment in secret. Basically progressives and Margie Thatcher are crying together at the diminished anglo role....

pgl -> Eric...

We don't hate Germans. We hate horrific economic policies. We also don't like trolls - like you.

Eric -> Eric...

actually it was Germany that proposed a possible better way out for Greece this weekend: a time out from the euro zone for at least five years, debt restructuring, humanitarian aid and growth enhancing measures:

http://www.focus.de/finanzen/news/staatsverschuldung/finanzministerium-verschickt-papier-schaeuble-schlaegt-grexit-auf-zeit-vor_id_4810445.html

This German plan was ridiculed and dismissed by other eurozone countries, in particular France. I wonder why.

John Cummings -> Eric...

That was only by "select" Germans and only if Greece didn't capitulate. It may still happen if Greece doesn't follow their edict.

DrDick -> Eric...

I do not hate Germans, my family are of German descent and I have German friends. What I hate are destructive neoliberal policies like those imposed by the German government. Let us be clear, from all reports the people who refuse to negotiate here are the Germans. The French, Italians, and others have shown some flexibility, but the Germans have not, and as the dominant economy in the ECU, they pretty much get their way.

Peter K. -> Eric...

My family is of German descent. My father's father had German parents, one of whom came over on a boat. My grandfather fought the Japanese in World War II while some of his cousins were drafted by the Nazis late in the war and sent to the Eastern Front never to be heard from again.

Your lack of concern over the well-being of the Greeks is shameful. You're a stupid troll.

John Cummings

Germany and the UK have been fighting for decades (really since Bismark) over who should politically run Europe. That is why the so called UK "exit" from the EU is a real joke. More like hurt feelings of being the loser.

btg -> John Cummings...

The Brits kept out of Europe and have never seen themselves as being fully part of Europe - the EU was always a French/German thing.

Britain/England is an island and as such it never needed a large standing army and instead became a maritime power with an empire larger than its European neighbors.

Britian sees the defeat of Germany as a highpoint but even then it was largely overtaken by the US since then as the US forced it to dismember the empire.

Peter K.

http://macromarketmusings blogspot.com/2015/07/did-monetary-policy-really-offset.html

Monday, July 13, 2015

Did Monetary Policy Really Offset Fiscal Austerity in Canada?
by David Beckworth

The blogosphere is once again talking about Canada's successful fiscal austerity in the mid-to-late 1990s. Paul Krugman rekindled the conversation with this statement:

"[L]ook at everyone's favorite example of successful austerity, Canada in the 1990s. Canada came in with gross debt of roughly 100 percent of GDP, roughly comparable to Greece on the eve of the financial crisis. It then proceeded to do a pretty big fiscal adjustment -- 6 percent of GDP according to the IMF's measure of the structural balance, which is about a third of what Greece has done but comparable to other European debtors. But unemployment fell steadily. What was Canada's secret?"

Ramesh Ponnuru and I have argued numerous times that Canada's secret was a monetary policy offset. That is, monetary policy eased to offset the drag of fiscal tightening. Paul Krugman agrees in the above post. The evidence that we and others have pointed to in support of this view is the Bank of Canada cutting its target interest rate more than 500 basis points between 1995 and 1997.

Some of our conservative and libertarian friends, however, are not convinced by this evidence. David Henderson and Robert Murphy, in particular, have pushed back against this view. They contend there was no monetary offset. Henderson questions how much influence the Bank of Canada actually has over interests rates. Murphy goes further and provides a list of data points that he claims show the Canadian success story did not rely on loose money. So are Henderson and Murphy's skepticism of the monetary offset warranted?

The answer is no.....

....

Note that nominal GDP follows its trend path rather closely during the period of fiscal austerity. The Bank of Canada, in other words, did what was necessary to keep aggregate demand on a stable growth path during this time. Given the evidence shown above, the Bank of Canada offset the fiscal tightening via lower interest rates and a permanently higher monetary base path. This story is completely missed by Murphy's cursory look at nominal GDP growth rates over a few years. So yes, monetary policy did offset fiscal austerity in Canada in the mid-to-late 1990s.

The policy implications from this experience are clear. Economies undertaking fiscal austerity are best served by expansionary monetary policy. It provides a viable path to obtaining a more sustainable debt level. The ECB, however, tightened monetary policy twice during the Eurozone crisis. Given the one-size-fits-all approach problems, this tightening proved excessive for the periphery countries and helped spawn the soveriegn debt crisis. Just imagine how different the Eurozone would be today had the ECB began its QE program back in 2008.

------------------

Obviously JohnH and other critics of monetary policy and QE don't agree. The banks had enough liquidity and QE wouldn't help. How wrong they are. They're just like conservatives.

Reply Monday, July 13, 2015 at 01:56 PM
John Cummings -> Peter K....

Debt expanded due to the corporate debt bubble(that financed Y2K overhaul) of the 1990's which gave the illusions that "austerity" worked. "Monetary" Policy became looser as would expect during that time of disinflation (which was the point). Glibers don't want to give the BoC any credit, but that is their way. In the end the BoC didn't really offset anything. The debt market is the debt market.

pgl -> John Cummings...

What a bunch of irrelevant babble. Read what Krugman wrote and learn. Duh!

John Cummings -> pgl...

Krugman ignored the debt expansion of corporate balance sheets in the mid-late 90's. That was the key driver. Overrating central banks is a classic sign of neo-classical/new keynesian garble.

A debt expansion is a debt expansion. It will drive growth. Always have. Since the 1600's.

pgl -> John Cummings...

Are you talking about US corporate balance sheets in 1995. How the F is this relevant to the current Greek crisis? Krugman has noted Greece's debt before the crisis. So pardon my French but what the FUCK are you babbling about now?

Bert Schlitz -> John Cummings...

"Some of our conservative and libertarian friends, however, are not convinced by this evidence. David Henderson and Robert Murphy, in particular, have pushed back against this view. They contend there was no monetary offset. Henderson questions how much influence the Bank of Canada actually has over interests rates. Murphy goes further and provides a list of data points that he claims show the Canadian success story did not rely on loose money. So are Henderson and Murphy's skepticism of the monetary offset warranted?"

1.Libertarian/Austrian types don't believe in the nation state. Any function, even if run privately by a monopoly is considered bad when connected to the nation state. Their ideal is more of a Wealth/Propertarian run global syndicate that handles wealth tranfers via what true conservatives would call a degenerated imperial state of capitalists/merchants. Very non-democratic.

2.They believe capitalism can survive without debt expansion. This silly notion is what separates them from neo-liberals who quite understandably, know this is not true. Debt is what makes capitalism go. Without it, it is not sustainable. That is why the economic contraction from a libertarian regime would eventually drive them from power and enable conservatives and socialists to unite, much like it did in the late 19th century during what was the closest to the last libertarian period.

pgl -> Peter K....

"Some of our conservative and libertarian friends, however, are not convinced by this evidence."

These conservatives and libertarians may be his friends but they know nothing about economics. Just check out the devaluation of the C$ and you'll see what Krugman was talking about.

anne -> Peter K....

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/18/fiscal-fantasies-2/

June 18, 2010

Fiscal Fantasies
By Paul Krugman

It's really amazing to see how quickly the notion that contractionary fiscal policy is actually expansionary is spreading. As I noted yesterday, * the Panglossian view has now become official doctrine at the European Central Bank.

So what does this view rest on? Partly on vague ideas about credibility and confidence; but largely on the supposed lessons of experience, of countries that saw economic expansion after major austerity programs.

Yet if you look at these cases, every one turns out to involve key elements that make it useless as a precedent for our current situation.

Here's a list of fiscal turnarounds, ** which are supposed to serve as role models. What can we say about them?

  • Canada 1994-1998: Fiscal contraction took place as a strong recovery was already underway, as exports were booming, and as the Bank of Canada was cutting interest rates. As Stephen Gordon explains, *** all of this means that the experience offers few lessons for policy when the whole world is depressed and interest rates are already as low as they can go.
  • Denmark 1982-86: Yes, private spending rose - mainly thanks to a 10-percentage-point drop in long-term interest rates, hard to manage when rates in major economies are currently 2-3 percent.
  • Finland 1992-2000: Yes, you can have sharp fiscal contraction with an expanding economy if you also see a swing toward current account surplus of more than 12 percent of GDP. So if everyone in the world can move into massive trade surplus, we'll all be fine.
  • Ireland, 1987-89: Been there, done that. **** Let's all devalue! Also, an interest rate story something like Denmark's.
  • Sweden, 1992-2000: Again, a large swing toward trade surplus.

So every one of these stories says that you can have fiscal contraction without depressing the economy IF the depressing effects are offset by huge moves into trade surplus and/or sharp declines in interest rates. Since the world as a whole can't move into surplus, and since major economies already have very low interest rates, none of this is relevant to our current situation.

Yet these cases are being cited as reasons not to worry as austerity becomes the rule.

You know what? I'm worried.

* http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/17/magical-thinking-at-the-ecb/

** http://www.scribd.com/doc/27294711/Fiscal-Turnarounds

*** http://worthwhile.typepad.com/worthwhile_canadian_initi/2010/06/on-the-lessons-to-be-learned-from-the-elimination-of-the-canadian-federal-deficit-in-the-1990s.html

**** http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/15/magical-foreigners-austerity-edition/

Reply Monday, July 13, 2015 at 04:22 PM
anne -> Peter K....

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/07/08/policy-lessons-from-the-eurodebacle/

July 8, 2015

Policy Lessons From the Eurodebacle
By Paul Krugman

[Graph]

It's now clear, or should be clear, that the Greek program was doomed to failure without major debt relief; no matter how hard the Greeks tried, austerity would shrink GDP faster than it reduced debt relative to the baseline, so that the debt situation was bound to worsen even as the attempt to balance the budget imposed vast suffering.

And there was no good, or even non-terrible, answer given Greece's membership in the euro.

But there's a broader lesson from Greece that is relevant to all of us - and it's not the usual one about mending our free-spending ways lest we become Greece, Greece I tell you. What we learn, instead, is that fiscal austerity plus hard money is a deeply toxic mix. The fiscal austerity depresses the economy, and pushes it toward deflation; if it's accompanied by hard money (in Greece's case the euro, but a fixed exchange rate, a gold standard, or any kind of obsessive fear of inflation would do the trick), the result is not just a depression and deflation, but quite likely a failure even to reduce the debt ratio.

For comparison, look at everyone's favorite example of successful austerity, Canada in the 1990s. Canada came in with gross debt of roughly 100 percent of GDP, roughly comparable to Greece on the eve of the financial crisis. It then proceeded to do a pretty big fiscal adjustment - 6 percent of GDP according to the International Monetary Fund's measure of the structural balance, which is about a third of what Greece has done but comparable to other European debtors. But unemployment fell steadily. What was Canada's secret?

The answer was, easy money and a large currency depreciation. * These offset the drag from austerity, allowing growth to continue.

So, how does this play into U.S. policy debates? Well, Republicans love to warn that America might turn into Greece any day now. ** But look at the policy mix that is now de facto GOP orthodoxy: sharp cuts in government spending (maybe offset by tax cuts for the rich, but these won't provide much stimulus), combined with a monetary policy obsessed with fears of dollar "debasement". That is, the conservative side of the US political spectrum, while holding up Greece as a cautionary tale, is actually demanding that we emulate the policy mix that turned Greek debt into a complete disaster.

* https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=1m1K

** http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/07/06/the-only-lesson-the-united-states-should-draw-from-greece/

anne -> Peter K....

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=147Z

Price of an American Dollar in Canadian Dollars, 1990-2000

Canadian Dollars

1990 ( 1.17)
1991 ( 1.15)
1992 ( 1.21)
1993 ( 1.29) Clinton
1994 ( 1.37)

1995 ( 1.37)
1996 ( 1.36)
1997 ( 1.39)
1998 ( 1.48)
1999 ( 1.49)

2000 ( 1.49)

anne -> Peter K....

https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=1rjx

January 4, 2015

Interest Rate on 10-Year Canadian Government Bonds, 1990-2000

Reply Monday, July 13, 2015 at 04:31 PM
anne -> anne...

The value of the Canadian dollar fell by 27% against the American dollar through the 1990s. The interest rate on 10-year Canadian government bonds fell 33% during the 1990s.

pgl -> anne...

Yep - very big drop in interest rates and large devaluation of the C$. So fiscal austerity was offset by more investment demand and higher net exports.

Reply Monday, July 13, 2015 at 05:57 PM
am

The poster should have noted that no other government is in the Greece position. The Podemos leader, likely to be the next Spanish PM, said there was a big difference between Greece and Spain and in debt numbers that is very true.

Reply Monday, July 13, 2015 at 01:59 PM
anne -> am...

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=ZaL

January 15, 2015

Central government debt as a share of Gross Domestic Product for Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Italy and Greece, 2007-2012

[ Central government debt as a share of GDP was above 120% for Ireland, Portugal, Italy and Greece by 2012. Spain alone had a reasonably low debt ratio at 65%. ]

Reply Monday, July 13, 2015 at 04:40 PM
anne -> am...

Spain maintained a relatively and reasonably debt ratio in the wake of the recession at the expense of a searing loss of employment:

https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=1rjU

January 4, 2015

Spain Employment-Population Ratio, * 2007-2014

* Employment age 25-54

Reply Monday, July 13, 2015 at 05:06 PM
anne -> am...

Correcting:

Spain maintained a relatively and reasonably low debt ratio in the wake of the recession at the expense of a searing loss of employment, with the employment-population ratio for men and women 25-54 falling from 77.2 to 65.6 between 2007 and 2013:

https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=1rjU

January 4, 2015

Spain Employment-Population Ratio, * 2007-2014

* Employment age 25-54

Reply Monday, July 13, 2015 at 05:08 PM
anne -> anne...

By contrast, when the Spanish employment-population ratio for men and women 25-54 was 65.6 in 2013, the German employment-population ratio was 83.5 for a shocking difference:

https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=1rjX .

Jan

Let's not waste time with wishful thoughts about the foresight of the German elites. As they so often say, "We Germans reject Keynesian economics." Indeed. They reject not only deficit spending in a liquidity trap but, more fundamentally, the paradox of thrift, and not just as the paradox applies to households but also as it applies to sovereign nations.

So the German elites announce, over and over again, their dictum for the rest of Europe. "Imitate Germany! Be more competitive!" That is to say, always run a large current-account surplus.

Of course, this dictum would first impoverish laggard European nations, including the UK, then Latin American nations, then Russia and the USA.

Therefore, a German-dominated Europe would in the future find itself surrounded by mortal enemies, which would have no choice but to destroy it again.

Reply Monday, July 13, 2015 at 02:21 PM
pgl -> Jan...

"We Germans reject Keynesian economics."

Should we call this MerkelNomics? Sort of like Herbert Hoover economics. Or Cameron-Osborne economics. The kind of stupidity that JohnH apparently hearts. Of course this is also the economics of the modern Republican Party. We are ruled by morons.

Eric -> Jan...

Hoe does becoming more competitive impoverish your country?

RGC -> Eric...

The historic way a weaker economy became more competitive was to have a weaker currency and to protect its developing industry with various protections against imports. That route is not available to the periphery nations.

The Germans would be wise to recognize that it is in their long-term interest to help those nations become more competitive and thereby create a balanced, stable trading zone where everyone can succeed.

The best way to do that is via some sort of development fund that is targeted at the most urgent projects wherever they may be. To do that the Germans are going to have to be magnanimous ala the Marshall Plan, although it is also in their self-interest. The current situation may also require some purely cash transfers to bridge a ramp-up period.

The Germans need to think like true Europeans, ditch the "lazy Greeks" talk and think of the periphery nations somewhat like East Germany. Either that or forget about united Europe and go back to the dangers of nationalism.

Eric -> RGC ...

Thanks. But don't you think the Germans want convergence, that is help the weaker nations become more competitive? They do understand that there is no future for the eurozone without convergence.

There are and have been loads of subsidies in the EU. If you travel through poorer parts of Europe, you see the EU signs that projects have been paid with EU money. Infrastructure is pretty good in countries like Spain, Portugal and Greece, partly thanks to EU funds, now the same is happening to Eastern Europe. But this has not made a country like Greece more competitive.

The Germans don't believe it's (just) about the money, they believe in reforms.

The thing is that reforms have been ridiculed by the likes of Krugman, it's all about fiscal stimulus in their world, something the Germans are skeptical about.

Eastern Europe is actually a good example, but the problem is they could run this program at home, but can't in a country like Greece. In the end only the Greek can help themselves.

Eric -> Eric...

I meant East Germany is a good example

RGC -> Eric...

IIRC, some from the West said similar things about their East brothers before reunification.

I've read a lot of Varoufakis' papers and I think he was on the right track. He has been very critical of Greece's corruption and lack of administrative competence. His economics is socialist/Keynesian. He proposed a solution similar to my prior post:

http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/euro-crisis/modest-proposal/

Of course there are plutocrats, self-serving politicians, banksters and dummkopfs in all countries. I think all the larger economies, except maybe China, suffer right now from neo-liberal or just incompetent governments.

Bert Schlitz -> Eric...

All capitalism is unsustainable eventually. I always viewed the "horrible" East Germany not so horrible indeed when visiting their and exploring its inner bowels. They had a better work ethic and weren't so concerned about materialistic obsession.

Having the Russians completely leaving them alone by the 1990's without unification would have been interesting. There was indeed quite a bit of leftover national socialism embedded over there.

Western Germany on the other hand was binging on debt expansion like all other OCD countries in the 1980's and its economic situation "appeared" to improve rapidly. Like all capitalist music boxes, that story has to end. Once debt expansion ends and the state can't hold up the carcass anymore, the situation in 1980's East Germany would seem like a paradise.

pgl -> Eric...

East Germany is a good example of how NOT to do this. Do you know anything? It appears not.

pgl -> Eric...

It depends on how one does the more competitive part. The right way to do this is to devalue the currency but Greece can't do this as long as they are this Euro and the Germans don't help. Have you read ANY part of this discussion? Seriously - you are like the 3 year old who just fell off the turnip truck.

Peter K. -> Eric...

Wolfgang Munchau:

"We will soon be asking ourselves whether this new eurozone, in which the strong push around the weak, can be sustainable. "

Eric likes it when the strong push around the weak. He identifies with the bully.

Jan -> Eric...

"Competitive" does mean productive. It means a regular current account surplus. Germany achieved a regular surplus not by upgrading labor or capital but by thrift (shifting income from consumption to production)-- repressing wages/benefits and acquiring a quasi-pegged currency.

A regular surplus benefits the nation which runs it at the expense of other nations. Latin American economists have been saying in recent years that the German surplus has been "hollowing out" their economies and at least one prominent German economist has agreed with them.

The EU is a huge economy. If it were to run a surplus as large as Germany now runs, the USA and Russia would soon become friends again.

am

The Euro group negotiators are reported to be pleased with the package on offer. It would seem probable that the Greek government or parliament will not approve the deal. This will mean grexit. The Euro group negotiators are reported to be pleased with the package on offer.

cogitoman

What is wrong to being made to stick to the rules?

RGC -> cogitoman...

Rules are necessary and good. The next question is "do we have the right rules?". IMO the Eurozone has unworkable rules.

anne

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jul/13/athens-and-eurozone-agree-bailout-deal-for-greece

July 13, 2015

Tsipras faces clash with Syriza radicals opposed to eurozone bailout for Greece

After marathon talks to secure third bailout, Greek prime minister prepares for showdown with MPs opposed to deal described as harsher than Versailles treaty
By Phillip Inman and Jennifer Rankin - Guardian

Brussels

[ So a Greek legislator would have to be a "radical" to vote against a "deal described as harsher than Versailles treaty." ]

gordon

I have a suspicion that many Greeks fear that leaving the Eurozone would mean they would no longer be able to leave Greece to work in Eurozone countries and send remittances home. The bulk of remittances to Greece appear to come from Germany:
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2014/02/20/remittance-map/

anne -> gordon...

I have a suspicion that many Greeks fear that leaving the Eurozone would mean they would no longer be able to leave Greece to work in Eurozone countries and send remittances home....

[ Would there be migration limits if Greece simply remained in the European Union? ]

David

There is a modern meme I hate, the idea that everything has to be a "brand".

But if the Eurozone falls apart it will be the German brand that suffers. No one likes a bully.

Reply Monday, July 13, 2015 at 05:26 PM
Peter K. -> David ...

Yes and the idea of Europe as a symbol of progress.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/e38a452e-26f2-11e5-bd83-71cb60e8f08c.html#axzz3fpG5IsRy

July 13, 2015 10:45 am

Greece's brutal creditors have demolished the eurozone project

by Wolfgang Munchau

Stripped of ambitions for a political and economic union, the bloc changes into a utilitarian project

A few things that many of us took for granted, and that some of us believed in, ended in a single weekend. By forcing Alexis Tsipras into a humiliating defeat, Greece's creditors have done a lot more than bring about regime change in Greece or endanger its relations with the eurozone. They have destroyed the eurozone as we know it and demolished the idea of a monetary union as a step towards a democratic political union.

In doing so they reverted to the nationalist European power struggles of the 19th and early 20th century. They demoted the eurozone into a toxic fixed exchange-rate system, with a shared single currency, run in the interests of Germany, held together by the threat of absolute destitution for those who challenge the prevailing order. The best thing that can be said of the weekend is the brutal honesty of those perpetrating this regime change.

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nor even the total capitulation of Greece. The material shift is that Germany has formally proposed an exit mechanism. On Saturday, Wolfgang Schäuble, finance minister, insisted on a time-limited exit - a "timeout" as he called it.

I have heard quite a few crazy proposals in my time, and this one is right up there. A member state pushed for the expulsion of another. This was the real coup over the weekend: not only regime change in Greece, but also regime change in the eurozone.

The fact that a formal Grexit may have been avoided for the moment is immaterial. Grexit will be back on the table when you have the slightest political accident - and there are still many things that could go wrong, both in Greece and in other eurozone parliaments. Any other country that in future might challenge German economic orthodoxy will face similar problems.

This brings us back to a more toxic version of the old exchange-rate mechanism of the 1990s that left countries trapped in a system run primarily for the benefit of Germany, which led to the exit of the British pound and the temporary departure of the Italian lira. What was left was a coalition of countries willing to adjust their economies to Germany's. Britain had to leave because it was not.

What should the Greeks do now? Forget for a moment the economic debate of the past few months, over issues such as the impact of austerity or economic reforms on growth. Instead ask yourself this simple question: do you really think that an economic reform programme, for which a government has no political mandate, which has been explicitly rejected in a referendum, that has been forced through by sheer political blackmail, can conceivably work?

The implications for the rest of the eurozone are at least as troubling. We will soon be asking ourselves whether this new eurozone, in which the strong push around the weak, can be sustainable. Previously, the strongest argument against any forecasts of break-up has been the strong political commitment of all its members. If you ask Italians why they are in the eurozone, few have ever pointed to the economic benefits. They wanted to be part of the most ambitious project of European integration undertaken so far.
We will soon be asking ourselves whether this new eurozone, in which the strong push around the weak, can be sustainable

But if you take away the political aspiration, you may end up with a different judgment. From a pure economic point of view, we know that the euro has worked well for Germany. It worked moderately well for The Netherlands and Austria, although it produced quite a degree of financial instability in both.

But for Italy, it has been an unmitigated economic disaster. The country has seen virtually no productivity growth since the start of the euro in 1999. If you want to blame the lack of structural reforms, then you have to explain how Italy managed decent growth rates before then. Can we be sure that a majority of Italians will support the single currency in three years' time?

The euro has not worked out for Finland either. While the country is considered the world champion of structural reforms, its economy has slumped ever since Nokia lost the plot as the world's erstwhile premier mobile phone maker. Whether the euro is sustainable for Spain and Portugal is not clear. France has performed relatively well during the euro's early years, but it, too, is now running persistent current account deficits. It is not only Greece where the euro is not optimal.
Once you strip the eurozone of any ambitions for a political and economic union, it changes into a utilitarian project in which member states will coldly weigh the benefits and costs, just as Britain is currently assessing the relative advantages or disadvantages of EU membership. In such a system, someone, somewhere, will want to leave sometime. And the strong political commitment to save it will no longer be there

anne

https://twitter.com/TIME/status/620723673675251712

TIME.com @TIME

Greece may have to sell islands and ruins under its bailout deal http://ti.me/1CCqn5s

3:37 PM - 13 Jul 2015

Reply Monday, July 13, 2015 at 06:03 PM
anne -> anne...

We could do a time share on Corfu, I mean the whole island.

Sign here ...

anne

https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=1paT

August 4, 2014

Real per capita Gross Domestic Product for Ireland, Portugal, Spain,
Italy and Greece, 2007-2014

(Indexed to 2007)

[ Real per capita GDP has failed to recover in each of these 5 countries. ]

Reply Monday, July 13, 2015 at 06:50 PM
anne

https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=1r1K

August 4, 2014

Real per capita Gross Domestic Product for Sweden, Denmark, Norway,
Finland and Iceland, 2007-2014

(Indexed to 2007)

[ Real per capita GDP has only recovered in Sweden and that barely. ]

Reply Monday, July 13, 2015 at 06:52 PM
anne

https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=1rkL

August 4, 2014

Real per capita Gross Domestic Product for United Kingdom, Germany,
France and Netherlands, 2007-2014

(Indexed to 2007)

[ Real per capita GDP has recovered only in Germany which had recovered by 2010. ]

Reply Monday, July 13, 2015 at 06:55 PM
MacAuley

Greece was not ready to join the Eurozone in 1999 and it was pretty clear by 2011 that Greece would be better off outside the Eurozone.
By 2013 it was obvious that the only reason to delay Grexit (and to continue Greek austerity) was to prepare for the inevitable. The Eurozone is now prepared for Grexit, and it's time. In five years the Greeks will be grateful.

[Jul 18, 2015] M of A - Billmon The Eurosystem's (Monetary) Control of Europe's Politics

"...The "Eurosystem", the network of national central banks governed by the European Central Bank, gives central bankers unprecedented ability to squeeze and manipulate national governments in a coordinated way. It is as if every government in the Eurozone ALREADY has a colonial entity watching it like the Troika's agents are supposed to watch Syriza in Athens. And, since the ECB Governing Council (like other EU institutions) tries to operate by a non-transparent "consensus" (i.e. the votes are not revealed), the degree to which national central bank heads are representing the ECB in their countries, rather than the other way around, is often not clear."
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"...IMO these 'lessons' miss the biggest one for the left: the loss of independent media. What good is protesting neolib control via banks if no one is listening?
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Governments easily manipulate corporate controlled media via access journalism. Thus we get factual truths intermixed with propaganda spin that is relentlessly pro-business, pro-establishment.
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Greece is a case in point. As described in Greek Government Insider Lifts the Lid on Five Months of 'Humiliation' and 'Blackmail', the Troika was gradually increasing pressure on Greece to do what the Troika demanded. They withheld billions of euro to Greece and cut off liquidity to the Greek government. Then they waited as the financial pressure on Greece grew. But along with those measures was a caustic media that painted Syriza as incompetent, then undemocratic (because most greeks wanted to remain in the euro), then irresponsible (for calling a referendum), etc.
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"... Following, a link to a German documentary about the various mechanisms of the EU [Troika, Eurogroup, European Commission, Council, etc] which are being used as devastating tools to beat down and extract wealth, vampire style, from Greece [and Cyprus], in order to revive comatose banks and line the pockets of investors, through privatization of public property.
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This documentary does a good job of demonstrating just how the power of technocratic branches of the EU is being rolled out to pillage Greek, Portuguese, Cyprus economies, plunging the respective populations into ever greater misery.
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The Trail of the Troika [1:29:22]
Jul 18, 2015 | Moon of Alabama

Billmon: The Eurosystem's (Monetary) Control of Europe's Politics

Note: This post was composed from a Twitteressay by Billmon.

J.W. Mason lists some Lessons from the Greek Crisis:

Before the crisis no one even knew that national central banks still existed - I certainly didn't. But now it's clear that the creditors' unchallenged control of this commanding high ground was decisive to the outcome in Greece. Next time an elected government challenges the EU authorities, their first order of business must be getting control or cooperation of their national central bank.

The quote says "control or cooperation," but I can guarantee the latter is never going to happen.

It is nearly impossible to exaggerate the degree to which the campaign for central bank "independence" has made them the enemies within for any left governments.

The central bankers waged a 50-60 year political war to wrest back the monetary flexibility that the break down of Bretton Woods gave to national governments. Having won that war across most of the developed world in the 70s and 80s, they extended the battlefield to the emerging markets in '90s and '00s.

The autonomy of central banks (meaning the political allegiance to Wall Street/London City/Frankfurt etc.) was maybe the biggest neoliberal victory of all. If rightwing political victories (Reagan, Thatcher et. al.) were the beachheads of the Great Counterattack on social democracy then "independent" central banks became the citadels of the occupation forces: Neoliberalism's "Republican Guard."

Ironically, the ECB was originally conceived - or at least was sold to the European left - as a way for governments to regain monetary flexibility at a higher level. As a way to a) escape US dollar hegemony and to b) outflank the Bundesbank by formalizing the joint political control of European monetary policy. I do not know if the hack establishment Social Democrats who sold that vision ever believed it, but if so, more fool them. Because what the European Monetary Union became, obvious now, was a way to turn the vision on its head: formalize joint MONETARY control of Europe's politics.

The "Eurosystem", the network of national central banks governed by the European Central Bank, gives central bankers unprecedented ability to squeeze and manipulate national governments in a coordinated way. It is as if every government in the Eurozone ALREADY has a colonial entity watching it like the Troika's agents are supposed to watch Syriza in Athens. And, since the ECB Governing Council (like other EU institutions) tries to operate by a non-transparent "consensus" (i.e. the votes are not revealed), the degree to which national central bank heads are representing the ECB in their countries, rather than the other way around, is often not clear.

As long as the cozy comprador system tied peripheral governments to the core (i.e. Berlin), the role of the ECB and the Eurosystem could be obscured. Peripheral governments appointed "made guys" (i.e. banksters and/or their technicians) to national central bank boards and pretended to govern. Core politicians and their local comprador politicians let the Eurosystem technicians in Frankfurt tell them what "structural reforms" they should push to make the EMU "work."

But the moment an outsider government like Syriza came to power, the role of the Eurosystem and the national central banks in it could no longer be hidden. The fact that the Greek National Bank was an instrument of the ECB in Frankfurt, not of the Greek government in Athens, became obvious to everybody. The ECB's role as the muscle behind the Eurogroup's (Berlin's) diktats put the Greek National Bank in the position of helping to choke its own banks and terrorize its own citizens. And under the rules of EMU the Greek government was completely powerless to do anything about it. A defining moment.

The inescapable conclusion is that the allegedly "independent" Eurosystem now operates not as a network of central banks but as a parallel government.

The role of the Eurosystem within the half-hidden political order of the eurozone really is comparable to the Soviet or Chinese Communist Party. Like the Communist Party, the Eurosystem is now the "leading organ" of the neoliberal order, operating at all levels of the EU structure and providing "guidance" to elected political structures which are not formally under its legal control, but in reality are dominated by it. And behind the administrative apparatus of the party (Eurosystem) is the Central Committee (Eurogroup) and the Politburo (the key creditor government officials). And behind THEM is the real locus of the party's centralized power: the General Secretary (Germany/Merkel).

So J.W. Mason is quite right: it is impossible for any left government to attack the dictatorship of finance unless it controls its national central bank. But while control of the national central bank is necessary, it is hardly sufficient. As long as the EMU exit is off the table, verboten, so to speak, control of the national central banks only eliminates the "near enemy."

Ultimately it comes down to political will, which in parliamentary democracies, comes down to public support. As long as the majority (of all voters or of propertied influentials, depending on the system) is more loyal to the Euro than to national sovereignty an effective challenge to the dictatorship of finance is impossible - no matter how many national central banks the left controls.

Posted by b at 06:57 AM | Comments (90)
Selected Skeptical Comments
Posted by: nmb | Jul 16, 2015 7:20:43 AM | 1

Greece capitulates with the euro-dictatorship ... until the next battle

Posted by: jfl | Jul 16, 2015 7:33:14 AM | 2

You know this 'independent' central bank as tool of the neolibraconian consensus is the most salient point drummed home about Russia : the central bank as 5th column.

And the Russian central bank preceded the ECB, didn't it? When the boys from Harvard went to Russia to 'straighten' things out they conducted an experiment ... and discovered it worked just great : rinse and repeat. Russia was the archetype of the gelded European nation to come.

So the next time says Russia is not a part of Europe I'll say ... not only of Europe, but the first European nation subverted by the gnomes of neolibraconia.

The Europeans who still have a pulse ought to note now just who their real enemy is : hint, the one that's occupying Europe. And who is their fellow European victim. And ban together to defeat their common enemy ... well run him out of town on a rail, at any rate.

Certainly rearrange their banking arrangements.

Posted by: Timon | Jul 16, 2015 8:48:21 AM | 5

One of the key reasons that Wall St/City/Frankfurt want universal "austerity" is not just that they want people to be frightened, impoverished and insecure; but in particular, because it has the desirable effect of suppressing the political participation of people who must continuously walk the edge, just to get by - and by now this is about half the population -and who might otherwise participate in the political process with decisive effect.

Rise like lions after slumber
In unfathomable number
Shake your chains to earth like dew
That in sleep have fallen on you
Ye are many, they are few.

H.L. Mencken is also very good on this subject - the need of the self-appointed elite to distract and render impotent the average person, and how greatly the big shots hate and fear the "mob".

why would a small country like Greece need to be the second biggest spender in nato after the USA. ...

Posted by: mcohen | Jul 16, 2015 8:57:04 AM | 6

According to an editorial published by the Greek conservative newspaperKathimerini, after the removal of the right-wing military junta in 1974, Greek governments wanted to bring disenfranchised left-leaning portions of the population into the economic mainstream[28] and so ran large deficits to finance enormous military expenditure, public sector jobs, pensions and other social benefits.

Greece is, as a percentage of GDP, the second-biggest defense spender[29] in NATO, the highest being the United States, according to NATO statistics.

The US is the major supplier of Greek arms, with the Americans supplying 42 per cent of its arms, Germany supplying 22.7 per cent, and France 12.5 per cent of Greece's arms purchases.[30]

Everybody and I mean everybody is king fu fighting
those bankers are as fast as lightning

Posted by: ab initio | Jul 16, 2015 10:32:40 AM | 12

It should be obvious with how the ECB structure was formed that any country that uses the euro as its currency is dependent on the ECB for liquidity if there is deposit flight from the banks in that country.

There is only two ways for a country to retain full sovereignty. One have a national currency with a national monetary authority that controls it and second a government that if it runs a deficit has the ability to borrow in private markets and maintains a currency board (e.g: Ecuador which uses the US dollar).

Ecuador is a good example where its government debt became untenable. It defaulted on the debt and so was for all intents shut out from private debt markets, so the government could not run a deficit. It continued to use the US dollar as its currency.

Greece had to make a choice. Continue in the eurosystem and accept the hegemony of the eurogroup or exit. It's parliament accepted the former. One can blame Schauble and Merkel all you want but the bottom line is that the Greek government and parliament acquiesced to its loss of sovereignty. The Greek people have the power to change it if they want. They just have to decide to exit the eurosystem and elect a government that does that.

In France, Marine Le Pen is clear. She will take France out of the eurosystem if elected. Of course we'll have to see if she honors her campaign promise but at least she is categorical about it. Syriza got elected promising they'll be able to get a better deal compared to the center-right party before them. In this case the Left in Greece delivered an even worse result for the average Greek citizen.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 16, 2015 12:52:58 PM | 18

IMO these 'lessons' miss the biggest one for the left: the loss of independent media. What good is protesting neolib control via banks if no one is listening?

Governments easily manipulate corporate controlled media via access journalism. Thus we get factual truths intermixed with propaganda spin that is relentlessly pro-business, pro-establishment.

Greece is a case in point. As described in Greek Government Insider Lifts the Lid on Five Months of 'Humiliation' and 'Blackmail', the Troika was gradually increasing pressure on Greece to do what the Troika demanded. They withheld billions of euro to Greece and cut off liquidity to the Greek government. Then they waited as the financial pressure on Greece grew. But along with those measures was a caustic media that painted Syriza as incompetent, then undemocratic (because most greeks wanted to remain in the euro), then irresponsible (for calling a referendum), etc.

Too often we give the media a pass when it has been well documented that business and government tries to control MSM (and increasingly other media as well) via access journalism, advertising revenue (a few industries dominate) writing stories that cite in-the-tank 'experts' from establishment-friendly think-tanks and controlled opposition.

Even within Greece, Syriza had trouble getting their message out because oligarchs own virtually all of the media! And many blogs also fell for the spin - even those that have been critical of the media in the past like Yves Smith at nakedcapitalism.com - despite the fact that the delay in Greece putting forth a proposal before the April 30th deadline could be logically attributed to the 2-step process that the Troika had forced (describing how they would service the debt would severely undermine Greece's position in future debt restructuring talks).

A Left that is not in touch with the people - and whose message is undermined by establishment-friendly media - is a disaster far greater than the loss of control of the financial system. The Left's greatest strength should be its connection with the people that it fights for. Yet, instead the Left has allowed itself to be marginalized by a corporate media that has strengthened the centrist 'faux Left' at the expense of the progressive Left. So much so that many people today identify THE LEFT with the identity politics that forms 'the base' for the fauxLeft. In short, people of the 'Left' are viewed as selfishly wanting something for themselves at the expense of others. (It should come as no surprise that reporting about Greece often fell in line with this line of thinking.)

For activists that are outside the centrist political establishment - anti-war, climate change, the environment (fracking, nuclear energy, etc.), inequality, constitutional and civil rights, etc. - it is very difficult to reach a wide audience. All 'change' is channeled into the pro-business, pro-establishment centrist political system. Anyone who is not a centrist is suspect.

Greece's coherent arguments quickly fell off media radar as sniping about their incompetence and their oh-so-strange Finance Minister took center stage. This put even more pressure on the Greeks and deterred potential allies. And the spinning continues. The understanding of most people still does not go much beyond this: the Greeks don't want to pay their bills and Syriza are incompetent radicals that made the problems worse and can't be trusted. In the face of this onslaught by the Troika and Troika-friendly media, Syriza's resistance is all but ignored in favor of trumpeting Greece's defeat (a warning to others?).

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Is there any hope? Maybe.

1) Syriza formed a government with nationalists (ANEL). Why the Left is depicted as unpatriotic is beyond me, but the left may be getting its patriotic mojo back as WAR and trade deals are increasingly understood as benefiting an international elite. I could see similar political alliances forming in other countries. (In the US, I think the establishment had feared a potential Tea Party - Occupy alliance.)

2) Media reform (or the threat of it). The Greek government has begun investigations into media bias during the referendum (there was very little coverage of government rallies and government positions, etc.). If the Syriza-led government falls, any media reforms are probably less likely.

Ron Paul's "audit the Fed" movement got some traction which caused the Fed to take notice. "Truth in media" efforts should probably be re-doubled.

3) Education. We need to retain humanities education. Higher education is turning into vocational training. For example, IMO it's difficult to appreciate the myriad issues and import of the neolib consumer-oriented approach to government vs. the democratic citizen-oriented approach, without a humanities education.

Also, people don't usually react until it is too late - partly because few have enough learning to understand the impact that new policies will have. They try to make up for their lack of understanding by relying on trusted representatives like Obama. TTIP is a case in point. Look for demonstrations about Obamatrade in a few years when it is too late.

Posted by: dana | Jul 16, 2015 1:25:52 PM | 19

Following, a link to a German documentary about the various mechanisms of the EU [Troika, Eurogroup, European Commission, Council, etc] which are being used as devastating tools to beat down and extract wealth, vampire style, from Greece [and Cyprus], in order to revive comatose banks and line the pockets of investors, through privatization of public property.

This documentary does a good job of demonstrating just how the power of technocratic branches of the EU is being rolled out to pillage Greek, Portuguese, Cyprus economies, plunging the respective populations into ever greater misery.

The Trail of the Troika [1:29:22]

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 16, 2015 1:34:37 PM | 20

@ 15

james, If you read the Shock Doctrine by Naomi Kline you can follow the same financial rape of South American countries in the 70's that the financial mafia are doing now to the middle east.

The world needs to have a discussion about the world of private finance that exists now and what could be if all finance were sovereign.

Posted by: Thrasyboulos | Jul 16, 2015 2:26:43 PM | 22

The role of the European Central Bank and their buttler, Stournaras, at the Greek Central Bank in this fiasco needs this kind of discussion, and more, since it lies at the heart of German blackmail and coup attempt of the Greek government. Thank you b for this post.

@5

One reason that there have been inordinate arms purchase by Greece is that the Greek elite -- media, oligarchy, politicians (especially the latter) are up to their armpits in corruption, and one of the vehicles for corruption is arms deals.

The all powerful "socialist" minister of defence under Papandreou and minister of development under Simitis is now in jail, almost prime minister, now serving 20 years in the hoosgow, for being bribed by German arms dealers (Siemens, among others). It is widely believed that the previous governments went after this easy and obvious target to cut off investigations of others, a lot of others.

The nationalist minister of defence under the Tsipras government, Panos Kammenos is sending document after document to prosecutors involving a bewildering array of bribery, thievery, fraud, and so on in the Greek armed forces. Submarines that lean, helicopters that can't fly, because of onerous service after purchase contracts. The list is huge.

One reason why both German and Greek corruptos hate him so much, and tried to bring down the Tsipras government. It remains to be seen if he keeps his post, after Tsipras's deal with the Germans.

The other, of course, is the Turkey threat, also used to justify military procurement.

Posted by: Thrasyboulos | Jul 16, 2015 3:31:55 PM | 24

Quote from Jacobin from an article titled The End of Europe.

http://tinyurl.com/nt2g8g3

The discussions with Greece are thus a formal process designed to politically defeat Greece's left forces, burying any prospects of meaningful political change across the continent. This is the only explanation for the creditors' inflexibility despite Tsipras crossing all Syriza's red lines in terms of pensions reforms, tax policy, privatizations, and market liberalization. This punitive stance was made crystal clear by late June, when the ECB actively incited a bank run, warning of an "uncontrollable crisis," and abruptly capped its emergency loans to the banking sector, triggering bank holidays and capital controls.

Also in the site, an informative behind the scenes interview with Left Platform Syriza MP, Stathis Kouvelakis.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 16, 2015 3:34:47 PM | 25

Here's another lesson: Resistance works.

The Troika was willing to 'punch' Syriza's ticket ("Welcome to the Club"!) with minor concessions. But Tspiras/Varoufakis did not simply accept what the Troika demanded.

As bad as the deal is, Greece managed to get the debt restructuring that the Troika had refused to talk about. They had even refused to put their promises of a future debt restructuring in writing.

Many are saying that Greece should've prepared for GRexit; critizing Syriza/Tspiras as too establishment and too europhile to contemplate that path. But they have bought time to prepare for the next round. And in the next round, it may be that a GERexit is on the table as well.

Euro QE is not a magic elixir; just more extend and pretend. It'll exacerbate core vs. periphery problems as much as it exacerbates inequality (as it has in the USA). And political and fiscal integration is hard to do when people feel that they are not treated fairly.

Posted by: tom | Jul 16, 2015 3:45:06 PM | 26

This $50 billion Greek asset theft fund that was willingly handed over by Syriza traitors, as well as other politicians responsible, Is exactly the collateral needed for a independent Greek central bank to create, let's say for eg, a fractional reserve base of 10% to create $500 billion.

With that now $500 billion, the Greek government could pay off all the debt, including the criminally induced ones, and it's based on those $50 billion worth of assets.
And That's only if you agree to the idea of paying off all your criminally in deuced debts.

An independent and sovereignly principled government or parliament would do exactly that.
And there's more fractional reserves using National assets that can be used to grow the economy and serve the people.

Syriza knows this, but since they are unprincipled, Ideologically weak, cowardly towards their aggressors and more interested in power than public service, means you're never get that from these freaks.
Obvious from day one. Judge them on their actions, not on their whingeing on how they've been mistreated and violated.

How the fuck is it accepted, that private banks can print as much national currencies as they like, but the owners of the those national currencies - the people and the government - cannot do with fractional reserves and money printing, like what the private banks do.

Posted by: juliania | Jul 16, 2015 4:45:18 PM | 31

jackrabbit@17, I would like to point out that the Greek populace ignored the media when they voted in the referendum, so I think the importance of such propagandistic power is overblown. Once you lose faith in that source of information, it's gone; it doesn't come back. Russia under the Soviets is a case in point, and currently also there is an erosion in US confidence that what they see and hear is trustworthy. What happened after the referendum confused the public, and that was a huge mistake.

Back a ways, in support of Tsipras, I wanted him to do as Putin has done and shore up that public confidence because then you can make decisions in the moment and the support will grow. Immense popularity is a powerful weapon. Varoufakis was correct in seeing that as an important pivotal moment, when the people supported the 'no' vote that Tsipras had also supported. The course he chose confused his supporters. Paramount should have been the dictum that the people could not bear further austerity and that was that - the austerity they would face at that point would be the prideful kind that can see a brave future beyond.

Tsipras had embraced the New Deal outlook, but he forgot Roosevelt's famous saying, 'You have nothing to fear but fear itself.' Varoufakis welcomed, FDR style, the banksters' hatred. It's too bad Tsipras could not do the same. Long lines of grateful poor people stood by the tracks as FDR's funeral train passed. Will that happen for Tsipras? There's a Greek saying that one should count no man happy until after his death. Roosevelt, loved by his people and by history, was a happy man. I hope there's time for Tsipras to become one as well.

Posted by: jfl | Jul 16, 2015 7:50:55 PM | 33

PPS/23: Review of Current Trends in U.S. Foreign Policy, 1948 CE


Furthermore, we have about 50% of the world's wealth but only 6.3% of its population. This disparity is particularly great as between ourselves and the peoples of Asia. In this situation, we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity without positive detriment to our national security. To do so, we will have to dispense with all sentimentality and day-dreaming; and our attention will have to be concentrated everywhere on our immediate national objectives. We need not deceive ourselves that we can afford today the luxury of altruism and world-benefaction.

For these reasons, we must observe great restraint in our attitude toward the Far Eastern areas. The peoples of Asia and of the Pacific area are going to go ahead, whatever we do, with the development of their political forms and mutual interrelationships in their own way. This process cannot be a liberal or peaceful one. The greatest of the Asiatic peoples-the Chinese and the Indians-have not yet even made a beginning at the solution of the basic demographic problem involved in the relationship between their food supply and their birth rate. Until they find some solution to this problem, further hunger, distress, and violence are inevitable. All of the Asiatic peoples are faced with the necessity for evolving new forms of life to conform to the impact of modern technology. This process of adaptation will also be long and violent. It is not only possible, but probable, that in the course of this process many peoples will fall, for varying periods, under the influence of Moscow, whose ideology has a greater lure for such peoples, and probably greater reality, than anything we could oppose to it. All this, too, is probably unavoidable; and we could not hope to combat it without the diversion of a far greater portion of our national effort than our people would ever willingly concede to such a purpose.

Between Berlin and a Hard Place: Greece and the German Strategy to Dominate Europe, 2012 CE


As Chancellor Merkel and other German leaders would frequently remind the rest of Europe and the world, with 7% of the world population, 25% of global GDP and 50% of world social spending, Europe's economic system was unsustainable and uncompetitive in a globalized economy. Germany's vision for Europe was aimed at introducing "rules to force Europe's economies to become more competitive." But competitiveness was defined by Germany, and thus, "the rest of Europe needs to become more like Germany."

I nearly choked when I read Timothy Geithner quoted at the beginning of dana's link ... but it makes perfect sense. None of this is about 'economics' - that chimerical, dismal 'science' - all of it is about politics, and power politics, and imperial politics.

The Germans - like everyone else - can see the US has had its run and is headed for its fall. But they also know that Germany by itself is not of a size to pick up where the US leaves off, when the US leaves off. So Germany needs to take over Europe.

I think I've heard this before.


Between 2008 and 2013, the Greek government cut 40% of its budget, healthcare costs soared, tens of thousands of doctors, nurses and other healthcare workers were fired, drug costs rose, as did drug use with HIV infections doubling and a malaria outbreak was reported for the first time since the 1970s, while suicide rates increased by 60%. ... Unemployment has grown to 26% (and over 50% for youth), wages dropped by 33%, pensions were cut by 45%, and 40% of retired Greeks now live below the poverty line.

Cleanliness is next to Godliness. The Germans are cleaning up Greece, and Europe.

The IMF's latest move - fake debt reduction for Greece, the kind of stuff that flows out of Geither's pie-hole in dana's link above - seems to be overt recognition of this fact, bringing it into play.

So they new dynamic will be the US on one side and Russia on the other, containing Germany's New Europe?

Makes sense, really. (None of this makes any sense ... only to the zero-summers playing games with our world). China surely has its eyes on all that Lebensraum in eastern Russia. The US and Russia can team up to defeat the NAZIs who have 'stolen' the Ukrainian revolution (to contain both Europe and China). (And then the US can double-cross Russia when the time is ripe).

Hey, looks like it's 'working' with our new, soon to be 'best friends' in Iran.

Arghhhh. Makes me want to stop reading the news, stop watching the movie. Or do something to help change it.

Posted by: jfl | Jul 16, 2015 10:29:16 PM | 34

More on the reaction to Germany's power plays, from Fort Russ ...

"Germany's policies pose a danger to Europe for the first time since 1945"--A View From Poland

... and the US' possible doubly convoluted play as hypothesized by Joaquin Flores last September ...

Pravy Sektor Coup as ISIS Scenario: NATO to Feign a 'Unilateral' Alliance With Russia

... just substitute the US for NATO. Germany has certainly knocked the scales from some eyes. I can't imagine Russia will be drawn in.

Greed and geopolitics do make strange bedfellows though. Nations don't have friends they have interests. And it's hard to see any of these 'nation' that have identified its citizens' interests with its own. Of the big ones ... maybe Russia under Putin? All he has is the support of the Russian people.

Posted by: guest77 | Jul 17, 2015 12:48:32 AM | 36

Excellent thread.

Syriza has shown, I suppose, that gaining access to power isn't enough. The party has to be involved with its members and those they hope to make members. Helping people get access to food, medicine, security, and anything else the state is refusing to help with. The left cannot just win elections, it must be threatening to those in power. It must be prepared to take control of those things the people demand they control (and it must be willing to relax when the people demand this). People must look to the organization in Latin America, that is all I can say. There, under the harshest repression, democracy is thriving.

The story of Greece I suppose is a lesson for the rest of the left parties though, who of them has a chance outside of Podemos - and what of Podemos anyway. They don't seem particularly able sadly.

The world- but especially the west - in the last 30 years, has changed so fundamentally that democracy is nowhere to be found. Nor democratic forms of social organization are even gone for the most part. And now they are turning the screws on whatever remains. Even the middle classes live under turn-key totalitarianism, as it was said by someone, (as opposed to before, where it was just the lower classes) and everyone knows this. And it is proved more and more with each passing event it seems. The people are thoroughly boxed in and controlled, but unlike juliania I think the media has so much to do with it. The massive media conglomeration is a keystone of the changes over the last 30 years, as well as the emergence of the internet - brought to a great many people by those media conglomerates.

The oligarchs of the west are determined to return to their royal status and complete political power they had before WW1. This is really a hopeless feeling attached to this, their seemingly complete victory over democracy. And I imagine that is much of the point...

Posted by: guest77 | Jul 17, 2015 12:52:57 AM | 37

I haven't read this all, but looks very applicable to our times...

The network of global corporate control - https://archive.org/details/TheNetworkOfGlobalControl

Stefania Vitali, James B. Glattfelder, and Stefano Battiston

Abstract
The structure of the control network of transnational corporations affects global market competition and financial stability. So far, only small national samples were studied and there was no appropriate methodology to assess control globally. We present the first investigation of the architecture of the international ownership network, along with the computation of the control held by each global player. We find that transnational corporations form a giant bow-tie structure and that a large portion of control flows to a small tightly-knit core of financial institutions.

This core can be seen as an economic "super-entity" that raises new important issues both for researchers and policy makers.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 17, 2015 1:33:03 AM | 38

juliania @30

Yes, Tsipras seems to have been ambivalent. The referendum was a bold move that actually worked in his favor but then turned cautious. Maybe he worried that if he threatened GRexit Schauble and the Troika would call his bluff?

In an earlier thread, I likened Tsipras to Chamberlain, who had the best intentions but is remembered as an appeaser. This may seem like a dramatic comparison but Michael Hudson has made the point that economics is now war by other means.

Chamberlain satisfied the public's overwhelming desire for peace just as Tspiras satisfied his public's desire to stay in the Euro. Each one had misgivings about the deal that they signed. Chamberlain began to rearm - especially building up British air power. Tsipras may also prepare for a future confrontation with the Troika.

Posted by: MRW | Jul 17, 2015 2:05:22 AM | 40

The role of the Eurosystem within the half-hidden political order of the eurozone really is comparable to the Soviet or Chinese Communist Party.


No, it's not. Billmon doesn't understand the structure. He's not seeing it clearly, and is not getting to the root of the problem.

The individual EU countries that use the Euro cannot create their own currency. They GAVE UP their sovereign currency for a foreign one, the euro, when they agreed to make themselves subservient to the Maastricht Treaty.

The Maastricht Treaty did/does not allow for a 'federal government of Europe'. It ONLY concerned itself with a monetary union, and it set down strict rules for entry (for instance, a nation's deficits could be no more than 3%--an insanity). It allowed for the creation of a central bank, the European Central Bank (ECB), whose operating rules were dictated by the Maastricht Treaty (and subsequent revisions).

But crucial to understand is this: a central bank CAN ONLY SET MONETARY POLICY. You need a 'federal government' to SET FISCAL POLICY. The EU doesn't have that. Sure, it has the EU parliament, and it has a bunch of unelected officials running the ECB. But it has no overlord, no elected oversight, that can rule in conditions like Greece is going through to ease sectoral pain, and stop the bleeding of ordinary citizens. That requires fiscal policy. The only way that fiscal policy can be changed in the EU is by a change to the treaties. Or the blessing of Angela Merkel, because Germany has captured the ECB.

Let me try to put this in perspective. The US has a federal government AND a central bank. Despite what all the Federal Reserve haters and the 'get rid of the IRS' people claim (inaccurately), the US central bank is a creature of Congress and must answer, by law, to the federal government twice a year. It is the US Treasury's banker, and must, again by law, return all profits each year to the US Treasury.

The US federal government creates fiscal policy. This is the direction for the country that the central must follow and support trhough monetary polices. Fiscal policy is Congress' job although they haven't done it properly for 30 years. For example, if one of the 50 states is in trouble-let's be hyperbolic: devastating earthquake, massive drought, asteroid hits--Congress can authorize ("appropriate") funds--creating them 'out of thin air'-to help the state. With no debt to children or grandchildren.

Why? Because the US federal government issues the currency, the 50 states only use them. The 50 states cannot create their own currency, just like the countries that use the euro. But the 50 states have the protection of the US federal government.

The formerly sovereign countries in the EU that use the Euro are like the 50 US states now. They cannot create their own currency, which would give them the policy space to pay their own citizens and denominate all the debts incurred in their own currency. They are dependent on the ECB, a goddam central bank that has no fiscal authority, to help them. EVEN THOUGH, in Europe, the ECB issues the Euro 'out of thin air'. The ECB is a collection of central banks. And right now Germany's central bank is dominant because it has climbed to the top-Germany was deeply in debt before the euro took over-on the backs of the other nations.

You will not begin to understand what is going on until you realize that the euro was designed by the famous French economist, François Perroux, in 1942 in anticipation of Hitler winning WWII, which was expected then. The plan was that they (the Nazi Pétain government wanted to be aligned with the German hegemon) would introduce a pan-Eurpoean currency and force adoption by the southern and eastern European countries to control and impoverish them. Mitterand, aligned with the Nazi/fascist Cagoulard in the late 1930 and 40s, was a Pétain enthusiast; this only came out in 1990. It was Mitterand who pushed through the euro, if you will check history. Perroux's monetary replacement was the blueprint for the Maastricht Treaty and the subsequent treaties.

Posted by: MRW | Jul 17, 2015 2:46:03 AM | 42

@tom | Jul 16, 2015 3:45:06 PM | 25

How the fuck is it accepted, that private banks can print as much national currencies as they like, but the owners of the those national currencies - the people and the government - cannot do with fractional reserves and money printing, like what the private banks do.

1. Private banks cannot "print as much national currencies as they like."

2. Fractional reserve banking does not exist. It died 80 years ago in most modern economies. I think only Hong Kong and Bulgaria (I think) use it now. The US doesn't' use it. Neither does any single country in the EU or Europe. Fractional reserve banking can only exist in countries that have a gold standard.

3. The only entity that prints the euro is the ECB, although the national central banks do it for the ECB under contract. BUT. BUT. BUT. These national central banks do it by keystroke. They don't control the physical printing presses. Besides, physical currency is such a small part of the currency.

4.

but the owners of the those national currencies - the people and the government
any country using the euro is not using a "national" currency. They are using a foreign currency.
Posted by: james | Jul 17, 2015 3:06:57 AM | 43

@19/20 psychohistorian.. i like where you are coming from, but people are slow to change and always looking for leadership.. many think that because someone is rich or has a type of power that comes with money, that they will be good enough to lead.. that is a mixed bag to me personally.. there are just as many losers with money as not..

@28 Laguerre.. thanks.. you've given a specific example to my more generalized observations already posted.. indeed - visa and mastercard are a part of the same ponzi scheme run by the same kleptomaniacs under the guise of whatever they want to pass themselves off as.. playing with the bank of international settlements is only a step away..

@35 guest77 quote.. "The world- but especially the west - in the last 30 years, has changed so fundamentally that democracy is nowhere to be found." i think that is very true..

@39 mrw.. good post, but you are not addressing the issue directly either.. making a comparison to what was a country like greece to one of the states in the usa, cheapens the idea of what a country is.. the euro has done this too.. doesn't mean we have to go along with it, but in terms of drawing a parallel, it isn't a bad one to make. and of course the big difference here is now that greece has given up it's control of monetary policy, as have all the other countries gobbled up in this insane idea of an european community - greece is an opportunity for everyone within the stupid structure to see it for what it is - a complete rip off of any shred of democracy that might have remained...

mrw - we've had these conversations before.. you appear to think the fed reserve is some sort of good two shoes neutral structure that follows a mandate and is not beholden to malevolent interests.. i see it as just the opposite.. the euro was another way to diversify the ponzi scheme by duping a lot of ignorant people into something they would have been better knowing more about.. i would be curious to hear a response from you that provides an answer as to the solution here.. mine would be greece to say fuck you to the euro currency and go back on it's own...

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 17, 2015 3:29:02 AM | 44

@jackrabbit.....you said that us "lower class" folk rely on the "upper class" folk to keep the world running

In the 66 years of my life I have seen untold potential waiting/begging for opportunity and I think your neck might break watching the momentary vacuum be filled getting rid of the top 50K social parasites and their attendant sociopaths. It is a myth that us poor 99% can't make it without the 1%. It is a myth that has been around for centuries and never has been true. The 1% are and have been an impediment to that advancement of humanity for quite some time. In most major ways we stopped evolving during the Enlightenment period when faith didn't become deprecated but instead became one of the tenets of the Western form of social organization, others being private property/finance, inheritance and "rule of law".

If all that were to change by neutering inheritance and ongoing ownership of private property (yeah, neuter public policy influence of religions too)
With Capital being returned to the global Commons, public education regains its priority and is a right for all but at the higher levels; and private education disappears. With those of faith no longer being in control of public policy, population control can be discussed, managed and alternatives like birth control researched/provided. We have answers for many of our pressing social problems, but we do not have the will to break out of the anthropological mold we are in.

Would the 99% agree to develop and use a technology that burdened the next thousand generations of humans to manange the potentially extinction causing effluent (i.e. Fukushima)? We live according to a very sick, no longer defensible and currently committing war crimes against humanity form of social organization, who's administrators we used to prosecute at the Hague 70 years ago. American empire is now the tool of the global plutocrats and the odds of the 99% wresting control away and changing the course of our species and world look slim.......but creating textual white noise on the intertubes is cathartic.

Posted by: chris m | Jul 17, 2015 6:06:08 AM | 47

Regarding events of past 6 months between Greece and the EU
(and Greek membership of the euro).
Following the recent Greek capitulation,it is clear to almost everyone now that the fuse has been lit beneath the euro.(and possibly even the entire European project.

Eurosceptism is starting to break out (and its only just starting) throughout the entire EU.
We can now all see politicians such as Marine Le Pen getting elected in next French Presidential Election on a purely "leave the euro now" ticket.

PS the entire Europe project was always predicated on a "lets destroy individual National Sovereignty" premise (a sort of EUSSR).

I never did understand why when Communism officially died around 1990
that it seemed to make an almost simultaneous and miraculous rebirth, but then Europe is the land of Dracula
and various other 19th century horror stories.

Posted by: Noirette | Jul 17, 2015 11:00:23 AM | 51

Syriza has shown, I suppose, that gaining access to power isn't enough. The party has to be involved with its members and those they hope to make members. guest77 at 35.

I agree, also pretty much with the rest of the post. What happened is that there was a power vacuum in Greece (when PASOK threw in the towel and the old structure crumbled) and the only ones willing to enter the breach were Syriza. One might also say that in Greece the political power structure does not match the real power structures in a good or efficient way. This democratic hoopla is all peachy cool when it is Swiss burghers discussin' and votin' on the color of the trams, or property tax, while being faithful to their 'radical' or 'socialist' -whatever- roots. In Greece, in its present form, it does not work. See for ex. the fantastical abyss between the OXI vote and the acceptance by the elected representatives of even harsher austerity.

Ideally, in a hypothetical genuine, true? democratic system, after the OXI vote a unitary or even technocatic Gvmt should have been formed (ironically, Tsipras did just that in a way ..) behind the OXI vote, to collectively resist and bargain (doubt any positive result would have been forthcoming but who knows), but naturally that was not possible.

One argument is that the 'Left' must be 'more in touch', 'must reform', must be 'more grass roots' etc. (Sounds a bit like what they say about the EU, heh? And in Greece that argument is made, plenty) - true, but imho it won't be enough. No way.

So some other avenues have to be explored, sought, implemented.. One imperative (under the present cirucumstances) is national sovereignity, see in Greece, New Democracy being say 'for austerity', 'for the euro' and so on because they are tied up in comprador not to say Mafia circles linked to the EU, big capital, banks, instituted corrupt structures, tax evasions, etc.

Anyway this debacle has shown that parliamentary democracy is not to be afforded to small powerless countries that have been taken for a ride. I think ppl are seeing that now, that facade is cracking.

Overall the EU is in deep sh*t. It won't survive for very long in its present shape.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 17, 2015 11:16:30 AM | 53

camelotkidd

This article fails to note the 'eurosclerosis' that plagued Europe in the 70's and 80's. Uncompetitive economies with large social obligations and clientist political systems that still exist in some areas.

The 'evil genious' moniker doesn't really fit. I doubt he is the only economist that would've offered such a solution. And he is certainly not the only guy that found European labor laws of the time to be a costly headace. I think he just got there first. And his demeanor is grandfatherly not menacing.

And he is not unmindful of how his work can be misused. When I took his advanced economics class in the early 90's I argued against the excesses of supply-side economics while others in the class seemed to be eager to show their support of what they assumed Mundell believed in. I got an A-.

=

There are problems with the Euro - the disparate economies, the lack of political and fiscal union, the uneven benefits, etc. - but blaming it on the academics seems like scape-goating, and nearly as bad as blaming it on the victims. Should we blame Marx for the fall of the Soviet Union?

Posted by: tom | Jul 17, 2015 4:34:48 PM | 59

MRW @42

How do you reconcile the contradiction between your points 1 and 2.

If Private banks "cannot" print as much money as they like ( point 1 ), then how can fractional reserve banking Not exist in most of the world ? ( point 2 ) . If fractional reserves do not exist then they free to print as much as they like.

Of course whem I say they can "print as much as they like" , that is not a children's imagination interpretation where the private banks are free to print infinitelt, that's of course the private banks have been unlinked from previously acceptable amount of printing/keyboard strokes, to create money.

And your 3rd doesn't make any sense at all. How does a gold standard have any restrictions on having a 10% fractional reserve, 1000%, or 1,000,000% of gold holdings ? Gold doesn't make decisions, regulations and enforcement are the decision-makers. Whether it's gold or fiat.

And your point 4 is right. It is my argument to why no country should join a single currency like the euro, and nations should always have their own sovreign national currencies

Posted by: juliania | Jul 18, 2015 1:08:20 AM | 66

Jackrabbit@38

Sorry to be late on here. The Chamberlain comparison is an interesting one, and Tsipras' tragic flaw may be his devotion to the Eurozone - I think it is his, not really any perceived mandate, because surely he knows a good leader makes choices as events change - to go back to my example, that's what FDR did, and very risky choices they were. Some of FDR's didn't work, so he did other things. He was making it up as he went along, and I think that's very similar to what would be needed in exiting the eurozone. You would have to bring the people along with you, with the confidence and trust that something needed to happen, charting a new course. Tsipras doesn't seem to have been willing to do that, and consequently he runs the risk of being just one more in the line of leaders who have caved under pressure.

I think it has a lot to do with lack of faith in the people themselves on the part of such leadership. Obama showed this when he didn't take public financing but already was turning to the banksters. He didn't need to do that, and he probably would have even had a bigger vote tally if he'd stayed with the people. I wonder why this new leadership seems so divorced from sympathy with those who elect them and whom they presumably serve? I don't think Tsipras is as two-faced as Obama, but he's starting to wear the same shoes. The tragedy is the Greek people so much need him to step up - the way a tennis player steps up if he's really a champion. I think there's still time but it's getting late. If he keeps on with this deal, history will take note. That's a huge price to pay.

Posted by: jfl | Jul 18, 2015 1:24:02 AM | 67

Tsipras ... he messed up. If 'his' deal goes through Greece suffers the full catastrophe. The thing to do is to prevent that happening. Tsipras is a lame duck. It makes little difference why he messed up ... character flaw, bribery, incompetence, all the usual failings of the political class.

The point is he has set Greece up for more lethal loans and so his 'program' must be repudiated. The only way I can imagine that happening is via the direct participation of the Greek people in their government. If there is a majority NO! on the new' program, good. Make a counter offer ... when (if, I suppose, to be inclusive) it's rejected, exit the euro - there's life at the end of the tunnel. If not ... well, they're done for, aren't they?

Debt-slaves of the German-dominated EU : deprived of their remaining assets and their own government.

Posted by: fairleft | Jul 18, 2015 2:58:03 AM | 68

Lapavitsas Calls for Exit as the Only Strategy for Greek People (the video, audio and transcript):

Why this capitulation? Why have we come to this after all the enthusiasm of six months ago? After the surge of grassroots support in this country and in Europe? The answer is clear to me. And it has to do with the wrong strategy, that was good enough to win elections, but proved disastrous in government. What is this wrong strategy? It's very simple, expressed openly time and time again. We will achieve radical change in Greece, radical change in Europe, and we will do it within the Eurozone. That was the strategy. Well, that's not possible, period.

As far as I'm concerned, the Greek left has found its leader. Lapavitsas says it all, clearly and brilliantly: Grexit and nationalize the banks.

You can't advance if you do not understand that Syriza has failed, if you keep making excuses for their failure, or try to pretend it was anything but failure. Greece must leave the euro. This has been obvious for several years, but unreasoning, 'no matter what' Eurozone love, especially prevalent within Syriza and generally among the middle-class European left and pseudo-left (Podemos, I'm looking at you!), MUST be abandoned. The euro doesn't love you; it's time to stop loving it back.

The MAIN task for the European left, if it wants to be left rather than neoliberal, is to abandon the euro. It's easy: listen and be persuaded by Lapavitsas.

Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 18, 2015 4:10:39 AM | 69

More from Lapavitsas:
Finally, the deal is quite clearly neocolonial. The government of the left has signed up Greece to a neocolonial agreement.

And it is--it is neocolonial for many reasons. I will mention three. First, the deal proposes the establishment of a privatization fund of 50 billion Euros which will basically sell public property under foreign management. 25 billion of that, the first 25 billion, will go to the banks by the agreement. If there's anything left, and there won't be anything left because they'll never make 50 billion, it might go to repaying the debt and possibly to investment. Essentially, then, this fund will sell what it can of public property to recapitalize the banks. We've just agreed the deal that sells the family silver to recapitalize the failed Greek banks.
~~~
The real winner of this deal is obvious. It's staring you in the face. The real winner is the Greek oligarchy expressed in the mass media. That's why the mass media are thriving and celebrating [a win].
~~~
Because the monetary union in which, to which Greece belongs, is not ideological. I mean, it is, but it isn't just ideology. And it isn't just a balance of forces. It is an institutional mechanism. The sooner the Greeks understand this, the better for all of us. It is an institutional mechanism, it is a monetary union that's, it's a hierarchical body that works in the interests of big business and in the interests of a few countries within it. That's what the EMU is.
~~~
Now, what do we do, then? What we need to do is to withdraw our consent to this agreement. To withdraw our consent to this agreement. And to redesign a radical program that is consistent with our values, our aims, and what we've told to the Greek people all this time, all these years. And that radical program is impossible without Euro exit. The only thing that we really need to do is focus on developing a plan for Euro exit that will allow us to implement our program. It is so obvious I'm amazed that people still don't see it after five months of failed negotiations.

Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 18, 2015 4:23:57 AM | 70

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33578778
The former Greek finance minster has said his country's economic reforms are "going to fail", just as formal talks on a huge bailout are set to begin.

In a BBC interview, Yanis Varoufakis said Greece was subject to a programme that will "go down in history as the greatest disaster of macroeconomic management ever".
~~~
I may disagree with [PM Tsipras] and I declared that by resigning my post
~~~
The bailout could total €86bn (£60bn) in exchange for austerity measures.

In a damning assessment, Mr Varoufakis said: "This programme is going to fail whoever undertakes its implementation."

Asked how long that would take, he replied: "It has failed already."

Posted by: fairleft | Jul 18, 2015 4:51:18 AM | 71

Varoufakis is just whining. He doesn't provide a solution to the immediate and staggeringly important problem, imposition of worse austerity on Greece's people. He sounds not dissimilar to Tsipras, who also says he's unhappy/pessimistic yada yada. They're like old men complaining about the weather. Whining and whinging, Tsipras has signed up to carry out the police state repression that's the only way his new legislation can be carried out.

Even though the solution/escape is clear, as Lapavitsas points out. It's almost as if the Syriza apologists are incapable of saying/thinking the word 'Grexit'. Who is holding their tongues?

Posted by: mcohen | Jul 18, 2015 6:59:22 AM | 72

parking weapons like f-16 and submarines in countries is a good idea...they are maintained and serviced and kept ready for active service...this all under the cover of arms deals etc etc.

there is only one flaw..the government of that country must be trusted....they cannot change sides...greece is in a unique position.opposite north africa,on the med, so it is well positioned for launching of attacks,on countries like libya or tunisia or even egypt.

discrete crete sounds like a good name.

Posted by: paulmeli | Jul 18, 2015 8:15:45 AM | 73

"Varoufakis is just whining. He doesn't provide a solution…"

Exactly. There is no solution that doesn't include leaving the Euro and reclaiming monetary sovereignty (although that alone won't do it…they need astute, competent leadership too). A solution that presumes changing the fundamental Euro structure to include a fiscal component is never going to happen, the big guns (Germany) would leave before that would happen.

Playing long shots works in the movies, in real life not so much.

Most of the billions of words that have been written on this subject have been little more than wailing and gnashing of teeth. Denial.

There are several stages to go before there is any viable solution that citizens will sign on to, that won't be co-opted by TPTB.

Posted by: honest! | Jul 18, 2015 9:28:16 AM | 74

I'm not saying Syriza made all of the right mover, but neither do I think they can be considered "the Greek People's enemy". Not at all. They appear to be being honest.

Posted by: guest77 | Jul 17, 2015 7:52:02 PM | 64

What a load of utter nonsense.

Honest?

They demanded the right to seek a mandate from the people before proceeding. They then got exactly the mandate they claimed to have sought . . . . . .

. . . And then, promptly ignored it entirely.

=======

There's nothing "honest" in that. Cynical? Absolutely. Manipulative? Certainly

Threacherous? Most definitely

But "honest"? . . . . GTFO!.

Posted by: jfl | Jul 18, 2015 10:06:29 AM | 75

@71, @73

And you guys are just endlessly whining about the whiners ... the political class has chosen its preferred 'solution'. They're all done. If there is to be a real solution it has got to come from the Greek people.

@37

That's quite an article. I cut and pasted the picture of the 'bow-tie' graph and made the table of the 50 top controllers from page 33 sortable below it.

page 33 of The network of global corporate control

I'll try to summarize the significance of the bow-tie graph and its abbreviated labels tomorrow, for those who don't want to read the full article themselves.

Twenty-four of the top 50 controllers are nominally American.

Forty-four are financial.

Posted by: Noirette | Jul 18, 2015 11:43:49 AM | 76

Posted some time back about the ESM (etc.) Here some info that give OK descriptions.

Eric Zuesse, global research

http://tinyurl.com/pqwbvqa

> a link in that article to the Treaty (automatic download)

then this, from the Corporate Europe Observatory

http://tinyurl.com/o3eyg25

> a link to a leaked text explaining the Troikas plans for the privatization fund (that 50 bn) pdf

http://corporateeurope.org/sites/default/files/esm_report_to_greece_0.pdf

for some extra financial info (the only available to the public?) one must go to their site and click through and through - all automatic downloads.

http://www.esm.europa.eu

As MRW writes, at 40, there is no resemblance between EU financial and pol. structures those of the Soviet, Chinese Communist Parties.

MRW maybe you are hyping the Nazi past? Mitterand and Thatcher particularly were against the re-unification of Germany. Mitterand wanted to lock Germany down in the Euro in an 'alliance' (or because he was a bankster's man, in fact laws prohibiting speculation were lifted in France well before Billy C's annulment of Glass-Steagall, the US played catch-up) and Germany made the trade, with difficulty (attachment to the mark, independence, etc.) Controlling countries through their currency and banking system is not an original or particularly Nazi idea. For ex it works right now in parts of Africa with the CFA and nobody talks about it. The French didn't borrow that idea from the Nazis.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 18, 2015 12:09:41 PM | 77

Jackrabbit at 38, juliania at 66, jfl & fairleft >67

Like many, I've been waiting for the longest running drama on the Athens stage to finally get to the last act before attempting to make sense of the staging, plot and characters.

I still don't think we're quite there yet; probably a little more political fall-out still, but not much, see e.g., a majority of the Syriza Central Committee opposed the austerity deal.

The question of the political leadership of the left, however, is always an interesting topic. Also from the 17 July "Links" page at - dare I mention the name? - Naked Capitalism, John Pilger at Alternet argues thatThe Leaders of Greece Are Some of the Phoniest Idealists You'll Ever See. It seems hard to disagree.

Having set aside the mandate of the Greek electorate, the Syriza government has willfully ignored last week's landslide "No" vote and secretly agreed a raft of repressive, impoverishing measures....

The leaders of Syriza are revolutionaries of a kind – but their revolution is the perverse, familiar appropriation of social democratic and parliamentary movements by liberals groomed to comply with neo-liberal drivel and a social engineering whose authentic face is that of Wolfgang Schauble, Germany's finance minister, an imperial thug. Like the Labour Party in Britain and its equivalents among former social democratic parties such as the Labor Party in Australia, still describing themselves as "liberal" or even "left", Syriza is the product of an affluent, highly privileged, educated middle class, "schooled in postmodernism", as Alex Lantier wrote. [I could not immediately find whatever Pilger is quoting, he is affiliated with the "wsws" website; such sad sloppiness at a major site in these days of html coding...]

For them, class is the unmentionable, let alone an enduring struggle, regardless of the reality of the lives of most human beings. Syriza's luminaries are well-groomed; they lead not the resistance that ordinary people crave, as the Greek electorate has so bravely demonstrated, but "better terms" of a venal status quo that corrals and punishes the poor. When merged with "identity politics" and its insidious distractions, the consequence is not resistance, but subservience. "Mainstream" political life in Britain exemplifies this.

This is not inevitable, a done deal, if we wake up from the long, postmodern coma and reject the myths and deceptions of those who claim to represent us, and fight.

How then do democratic movements ensure that their leaders views and priorities accord with their own, and can be held responsible and be replaced? What sort of leadership is needed for industrial as well as political democracy?

Posted by: rufus magister | Jul 18, 2015 12:18:48 PM | 78

ps to 77 -- Amongst the parties affected by the Munich Agreement, I think Edvard Beneš, the Czechoslovakian President, is a better fit for poor Tsipras.

Posted by: paulmeli | Jul 18, 2015 12:54:19 PM | 79

"the political class has chosen its preferred 'solution'. They're all done. If there is to be a real solution it has got to come from the Greek people."

No kidding?

I don't know what's worse, repeating the obvious ad nauseam or whining.

Posted by: Noirette | Jul 18, 2015 2:00:07 PM | 80

Having set aside the mandate of the Greek electorate, the Syriza government has willfully ignored last week's landslide "No" vote and secretly agreed a raft of repressive, impoverishing measures…. a quote by rufus at 77

NO. Syriza was elected on a platform of 'staying in the EU-Euro' and at the same time 'reducing /abolishing austerity.'

This mandate might be considered contradictory or ridiculous, illusory, doomed to fail, etc. (Yes I agree.)

Also Syriza has a slim voter support and thus had to form a coalition Gvmt.

Well in function of that contradictory mandate they managed (at terrible cost and perhaps misguidely) half of it. Staying in the Euro.

What is surprising? Nothing.

Why they chose the one above the other is abundantly clear.

Posted by: Wayoutwest | Jul 18, 2015 2:24:51 PM | 81

RM@77

I enjoy good discussion and criticism but this carping and sniping about Syriza from the US Left says more about writers such as JP and the weaklings of the Left, that have attained a new level of meaninglessness, and has allowed someone like Bernie Sanders to claim to be a Socialist without any real blowback, is trying.

Posted by: MRW | Jul 18, 2015 7:29:54 PM | 85

paulmeli at @63 has got it exactly right. In all modern economies on a fiat currency, loans create deposits.

Bankers, as a result, create 'credit money', NOT new interest-free money. (Credit money also means that one person's asset is another person's liability. At the commercial banking level within the real economy that includes collateral, timed repayment schedule, and interest owed, which is income to the issuing bank. Everything nets to zero at this level across the macroeconomy.)

The US federal government, on the other hand, adds new money into the economy. Only entity that can. Only the US federal government can introduce new, interest-free money into the economy, and it does it via congressional spending based on the needs of its citizens, and where it wants the economy to grow (giving 40% of it to the financial institutions is NOT GROWTH). Which the mo-fos we've elected do not understand.

One small quibble, Paul. The amount of physical currency, physical cash and coin, is around 11.5% to12% of the available money. The rest are treasury securities. Don't forget that countries like Ecuador are pegged to the USD and need US cash for their citizens. Ecuador's central bank orders them from the US Treasury (Bureau of Printing and Engraving) and puts up 100% of the demanded amount in assets (treasury securities) to pay for them.

Posted by: MRW | Jul 18, 2015 7:31:15 PM | 86

Tom @61

Sorry for the delay. I'm traveling. Good questions, btw.

First, let's clear up what fractional reserve banking is. This is a lousy simplistic example, but it will work. And let's imagine a small western town with one bank, which I will call Bank Buckeroo. Introducing a second bank in the town mean I would have to explain how interbank reserves work, and it doesn't matter in this explanation. [BTW, US banks DO NOT LEND their reserves; reserves serve another purpose in the US banking system; namely to help the Federal Reserve retain the overnight interest rate target that banks charge each other. Canada, for example, doesn't even have a reserve requirement for their commercial banks.]

Fractional reserve banking explained

OK. Johnny Schwartzburger sidles into his Bank Buckeroo and deposits 100 bucks in cash in his savings account.

Now Bank Buckeroo has got $100 more than it had yesterday.

Because the reserve requirement is, say, 10%-the FRACTION of the loan that the bank must retain under "fractional reserve banking"--Bank Buckeroo holds onto $10 and can loan out $90.

Sally Sweetpea needs $90 for her beauty shop and she borrows $90 from Bank Buckeroo, and deposits that in her checking account.

Now Bank Buckeroo holds onto $9 (10% of $90) and can loan out $81.

Old Ray Saddleback needs $81 to buy supplies for the only café in town, so he hits up Bank Buckeroo for an $81 loan.

Bank Buckeroo holds onto $8.10 (10% of $81) and can loan out $72.90.

Paddy O'Gilligan needs $72.90 to top off his supply of whiskey at the only bar in town (and this banker likes his whiskey), so he borrows $72.90 from Bank Buckeroo.

Bank Buckeroo holds onto $7.29 (10% of $72.90) and can loan out $65.61

You see where I'm going with this. Eventually, Bank Buckeroo will have reserved all $100, but will have extended credit against that $100 to customers that he knows are good to pay back their loans. Under the gold standard system before 1933, each dollar had a statement on it that you could exchange 20 of the one-dollar bills for one ounce of gold (not exactly the statement but that's what it meant). It was a "fixed exchange rate." The value of a dollar (US) was fixed to the value of gold. So Bank Buckeroo has Johnny Schwartzburger's original $100 in cash that guarantees it can trade-in the cash for $100 in gold anytime it wants. It's protected against that loss. The only thing the banker has to worry about is whether his customers can pay back the new loans, and he knows their creditworthiness intimately.

That all changed in 1933-no more gold standard in the US

We went off the gold standard. The value of the USD was no longer pegged to the value of gold, the supply of which the US federal government could not control globally except for certain US mines. Each new goldmine find globally affected the value of the dollar before 1913 and led to extraordinary panics and busts in the last half of the 1800s. More gold available meant the value of the dollar dropped, and that affected international trade, and whether people exchanged their dollars for gold stateside and hoarded it, further diminishing the amount of money available in the real economy. It was the National Gold Something-or-Other Act in 1900 that pegged the USD at $20/ounce.

Interestingly enough, it was Marriner Eccles, whom FDR made the first chairman of the Federal Reserve three years later, a Republican Mormon banker from Provo UT who appeared before the Senate and House of Representatives in 1932/33 to make the case for dropping the gold standard (he wasn't the only one however). Eccles became more popular than Miley Cyrus. Eccles had seen the devastation that the banking system was doing to his municipal and rural customers. Eccles was 22 when he made his first million after his father died and he had to take over the family businesses, which included a bank. He was a financial genius who could speak plain English to commoners about banking and esoteric financial concepts. His ideas predated John Maynard Keynes by three years. (BTW, Keynes was never taught in American universities, so anyone sneeringly invoking Keynes doesn't know what they are talking about. The first Nobel Laureate in Economics, Paul Samuelson, is supposed to be the explainer and keeper of Keynes ideas, but Samuelson admitted in 1989 in a video interview that he never read more than half the book, and that he never understood Keynes' ideas to begin with.)

[to be contd]

Correction: Each new goldmine find globally affected the value of the dollar before 1913

Should read: Each new goldmine find globally affected the value of the dollar before 1900

Posted by: MRW | Jul 18, 2015 7:34:22 PM | 87

Tom @61 [contd.]

If Private banks "cannot" print as much money as they like ( point 1 ), then how can fractional reserve banking Not exist in most of the world ? ( point 2 ) . If fractional reserves do not exist then they free to print as much as they like.

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And your 3rd doesn't make any sense at all. How does a gold standard have any restrictions on having a 10% fractional reserve, 1000%, or 1,000,000% of gold holdings ? Gold doesn't make decisions, regulations and enforcement are the decision-makers. Whether it's gold or fiat.

Loans create deposits. Yes, 'out of thin air'. Bankers can say 'Yay' or 'Nay' based on the cut of your jib, or the color of your skin, although they are not allowed to.
Banks don't print money. They issue credit, i.e. 'credit money'. They mark up the customer's bank account with computer keystrokes in the amount of the loan. Banks issue credit money based on two things: (1) customer creditworthiness, (2) customer income. They also require collateral.
Banks have to maintain reserves in their banks accounts at the Federal Reserve on all the loans they make.It is a percentage of the loan, and banks cannot loan out this money. If the bank doesn't have enough reserves in their Fed account, they have to borrow from other banks at the Fed Funds Rate, or overnight interest rate, set by the Fed. (The Fed uses this overnight interest rate to promote or demote bank lending in the economy, among other things.)
If the bank has been making bad loans or is overextended-this goes to your Point 1 about banks being free to issue as much credit money as they like-and other banks know that, the other banks might not loan it any reserves.
In that case, the solvency-suspect bank has to slink to the Fed's Discount Window where they can borrow the required reserves, but the interest rate is punitive, and it usually alerts bank examiners that there's a problem at the bank. So having to go to the Discount Window is not something a bank wants to broadcast.
By law, the Federal Reserve must supply reserves to banks within the federally chartered banking system, or declare the overextended bank insolvent.
A 'check and balance' on a bank loaning out as "as much as they like" is meeting its reserves requirement.

About gold. When you have a gold standard, you're on a fixed exchange rate: X amount of currency for each ounce of gold. That's when fractional reserve banking makes sense because the bank only wants to loan out X amount of money based on the amount of gold in the kitty. It's up to the banker to make intelligent and safe decisions about who he loans to by doing his due diligence.

On a gold standard, he who owns the gold, owns the country. When we got rid of the gold standard, goldminers and gold owners stopped owning this country, including Mr. Rothschild. We fucked him up the ass. Our money is based on the 'full faith and credit of the US federal government' and we issue our own currency. To boot, we are the reserve currency worldwide.

Posted by: MRW | Jul 18, 2015 7:36:21 PM | 88

The thread didn't take my formatting in @88. Here is the first half presented in a clearer format:
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In response to Tom's @61

  • Loans create deposits. Yes, 'out of thin air'. Bankers can say 'Yay' or 'Nay' based on the cut of your jib, or the color of your skin, although they are not allowed to.
  • Banks don't print money. They issue credit, i.e. 'credit money'. They mark up the customer's bank account with computer keystrokes in the amount of the loan. Banks issue credit money based on two things: (1) customer creditworthiness, (2) customer income. They also require collateral.
  • Banks have to maintain reserves in their banks accounts at the Federal Reserve on all the loans they make.It is a percentage of the loan, and banks cannot loan out this money. If the bank doesn't have enough reserves in their Fed account, they have to borrow from other banks at the Fed Funds Rate, or overnight interest rate, set by the Fed. (The Fed uses this overnight interest rate to promote or demote bank lending in the economy, among other things.)
  • If the bank has been making bad loans or is overextended-this goes to your Point 1 about banks being free to issue as much credit money as they like-and other banks know that, the other banks might not loan it any reserves.
  • In that case, the solvency-suspect bank has to slink to the Fed's Discount Window where they can borrow the required reserves, but the interest rate is punitive, and it usually alerts bank examiners that there's a problem at the bank. So having to go to the Discount Window is not something a bank wants to broadcast.
  • By law, the Federal Reserve must supply reserves to banks within the federally chartered banking system, or declare the overextended bank insolvent.
  • A 'check and balance' on a bank loaning out as "as much as they like" is meeting its reserves requirement.

Posted by: MRW | Jul 18, 2015 7:41:19 PM | 89

Some reporters are finally beginning to understand what I have been yammering on here over the past 18 months:

Why America Is Not The Next Greece
The key difference is that the United States has its own central bank -- the most powerful one in the world.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/why-america-is-not-the-next-greece_55a814c5e4b04740a3df6b11?

Posted by: MRW | Jul 18, 2015 7:45:47 PM | 90

[Jul 18, 2015] Disaster In Europe

Paul Krugman:

Disaster In Europe: ...all the wise heads saying that Grexit is impossible, that it would lead to a complete implosion, don't know what they are talking about. When I say that, I don't mean that they're necessarily wrong - I believe they are, but anyone who is confident about anything here is deluding himself. What I mean instead is that nobody has any experience with what we're looking at. It's striking that the conventional wisdom here completely misreads the closest parallel, Argentina 2002. The usual narrative is completely wrong: de-dollarization did *not* cause economic collapse, but rather followed it, and recovery began quite soon.

There are only terrible alternatives at this point, thanks to the fecklessness of the Greek government and, far more important, the utterly irresponsible campaign of financial intimidation waged by Germany and its allies. And I guess I have to say it: unless Merkel miraculously finds a way to offer a much less destructive plan than anything we're hearing, Grexit, terrifying as it is, would be better.

[Jul 18, 2015] Greece bailout revives image of the 'cruel German'

Jul 18, 2015 | The Washington Post

A divided Germany rose from the ashes of the Nazi defeat in World War II, weathering the Cold War to transform into one of the good guys. Modern Germany quickly molded itself into the standard-bearer of global pacifism, a hotbed of youth culture and the tree-hugging Lorax of nations in the fight against climate change.

But, just like that, the image of the "cruel German" is back.

Germany - more specifically, its chancellor, Angela Merkel - has faced years of derision for driving a hard bargain with financially broken Greece, which has received billions in bailouts since 2010. But for both Germany and Merkel, the concessions extracted this week from Athens appear to have struck a global nerve. By insisting on years more of tough cuts and making other demands that critics have billed as humiliating, Berlin is wiping out decades of hard-won goodwill.

In the aftermath of the deal with Greece, the hashtag #Boycottgermany - calling on users not to buy German products - has started trending on Twitter. Evoking Hannibal Lecter, the cannibal from "The Silence of the Lambs," some are sharing caricatures depicting Merkel as an E.U.-eating "Angela Lecter." A cartoon portraying Wolfgang Schäuble - Merkel's even-harder-line finance minister - as a knife-wielding killer from the Islamic State militant group has gone viral.

Germany was one of more than a dozen nations that insisted on a tough deal with Greece. But Britain's Daily Mail singled out Germany, saying Greece had surrendered to austerity "with a German gun at his head."

In the United States, New York Times columnist Paul Krugman this week noted the hate mail he had received from Germany for repeatedly criticizing its tough line on fiscal reforms. The Germans, he wrote, had suggested that as a Jew, he should know "the dangers of demonizing a people." To that, Krugman responded with sarcasm: "Because criticizing a nation's economic ideology is just like declaring its people subhuman."

In Greece, those actively supporting the austerity deal are being heckled by their countrymen as "Nazi collaborators." Another image making the rounds on social media shows a doctored version of the European Union flag, its circle of gold stars against a blue background reshaped into a swastika.

French daily Le Figaro declared that "conditions were imposed on a small member state that would have previously required arms." In a commentary that sneered at Merkel's "half smile" after the deal was reached, Britain's Guardian newspaper argued that rather than being cruel to be kind, the terms of the bailout were simply "cruel to be cruel."

In its online edition, even Germany's own Der Spiegel magazine decried the Berlin-led demands as "the catalogue of cruelties."

In a country that can be highly sensitive about its brutal past, some Germans are beside themselves. On Friday, the German parliament is set to vote on whether to green-light rescue talks under the onerous new terms. It is expected to vote yes. In any case, some argue, the damage to Germany's image has been done.

"Merkel, Schäuble and [Vice Chancellor Sigmar] Gabriel in two and a half days burned the trust that had been built over 25 years," Reinhard Bütikofer, a German politician from the progressive Green Party, declared during an emotional outburst on local television. "The heartless, dictatorial and ugly Germany again has a face, and that is Schäuble."

He finished by saying, "I am upset, as you can see, very upset."

... ... ...


[Jul 18, 2015] Billmon The Eurosystem's (Monetary) Control of Europe's Politics

"...The "Eurosystem", the network of national central banks governed by the European Central Bank, gives central bankers unprecedented ability to squeeze and manipulate national governments in a coordinated way. It is as if every government in the Eurozone ALREADY has a colonial entity watching it like the Troika's agents are supposed to watch Syriza in Athens. And, since the ECB Governing Council (like other EU institutions) tries to operate by a non-transparent "consensus" (i.e. the votes are not revealed), the degree to which national central bank heads are representing the ECB in their countries, rather than the other way around, is often not clear."
"...IMO these 'lessons' miss the biggest one for the left: the loss of independent media. What good is protesting neolib control via banks if no one is listening?
Governments easily manipulate corporate controlled media via access journalism. Thus we get factual truths intermixed with propaganda spin that is relentlessly pro-business, pro-establishment.
Greece is a case in point. As described in Greek Government Insider Lifts the Lid on Five Months of 'Humiliation' and 'Blackmail', the Troika was gradually increasing pressure on Greece to do what the Troika demanded. They withheld billions of euro to Greece and cut off liquidity to the Greek government. Then they waited as the financial pressure on Greece grew. But along with those measures was a caustic media that painted Syriza as incompetent, then undemocratic (because most greeks wanted to remain in the euro), then irresponsible (for calling a referendum), etc."
"... Following, a link to a German documentary about the various mechanisms of the EU [Troika, Eurogroup, European Commission, Council, etc] which are being used as devastating tools to beat down and extract wealth, vampire style, from Greece [and Cyprus], in order to revive comatose banks and line the pockets of investors, through privatization of public property.
This documentary does a good job of demonstrating just how the power of technocratic branches of the EU is being rolled out to pillage Greek, Portuguese, Cyprus economies, plunging the respective populations into ever greater misery.
"...None of this is about 'economics' - that chimerical, dismal 'science' - all of it is about politics, and power politics, and imperial politics."
The Trail of the Troika [1:29:22]
Jul 18, 2015 | Moon of Alabama

Billmon: The Eurosystem's (Monetary) Control of Europe's Politics

Note: This post was composed from a Twitteressay by Billmon.

J.W. Mason lists some Lessons from the Greek Crisis:

Before the crisis no one even knew that national central banks still existed - I certainly didn't. But now it's clear that the creditors' unchallenged control of this commanding high ground was decisive to the outcome in Greece. Next time an elected government challenges the EU authorities, their first order of business must be getting control or cooperation of their national central bank.

The quote says "control or cooperation," but I can guarantee the latter is never going to happen.

It is nearly impossible to exaggerate the degree to which the campaign for central bank "independence" has made them the enemies within for any left governments.

The central bankers waged a 50-60 year political war to wrest back the monetary flexibility that the break down of Bretton Woods gave to national governments. Having won that war across most of the developed world in the 70s and 80s, they extended the battlefield to the emerging markets in '90s and '00s.

The autonomy of central banks (meaning the political allegiance to Wall Street/London City/Frankfurt etc.) was maybe the biggest neoliberal victory of all. If rightwing political victories (Reagan, Thatcher et. al.) were the beachheads of the Great Counterattack on social democracy then "independent" central banks became the citadels of the occupation forces: Neoliberalism's "Republican Guard."

Ironically, the ECB was originally conceived - or at least was sold to the European left - as a way for governments to regain monetary flexibility at a higher level. As a way to a) escape US dollar hegemony and to b) outflank the Bundesbank by formalizing the joint political control of European monetary policy. I do not know if the hack establishment Social Democrats who sold that vision ever believed it, but if so, more fool them. Because what the European Monetary Union became, obvious now, was a way to turn the vision on its head: formalize joint MONETARY control of Europe's politics.

The "Eurosystem", the network of national central banks governed by the European Central Bank, gives central bankers unprecedented ability to squeeze and manipulate national governments in a coordinated way. It is as if every government in the Eurozone ALREADY has a colonial entity watching it like the Troika's agents are supposed to watch Syriza in Athens. And, since the ECB Governing Council (like other EU institutions) tries to operate by a non-transparent "consensus" (i.e. the votes are not revealed), the degree to which national central bank heads are representing the ECB in their countries, rather than the other way around, is often not clear.

As long as the cozy comprador system tied peripheral governments to the core (i.e. Berlin), the role of the ECB and the Eurosystem could be obscured. Peripheral governments appointed "made guys" (i.e. banksters and/or their technicians) to national central bank boards and pretended to govern. Core politicians and their local comprador politicians let the Eurosystem technicians in Frankfurt tell them what "structural reforms" they should push to make the EMU "work."

But the moment an outsider government like Syriza came to power, the role of the Eurosystem and the national central banks in it could no longer be hidden. The fact that the Greek National Bank was an instrument of the ECB in Frankfurt, not of the Greek government in Athens, became obvious to everybody. The ECB's role as the muscle behind the Eurogroup's (Berlin's) diktats put the Greek National Bank in the position of helping to choke its own banks and terrorize its own citizens. And under the rules of EMU the Greek government was completely powerless to do anything about it. A defining moment.

The inescapable conclusion is that the allegedly "independent" Eurosystem now operates not as a network of central banks but as a parallel government.

The role of the Eurosystem within the half-hidden political order of the eurozone really is comparable to the Soviet or Chinese Communist Party. Like the Communist Party, the Eurosystem is now the "leading organ" of the neoliberal order, operating at all levels of the EU structure and providing "guidance" to elected political structures which are not formally under its legal control, but in reality are dominated by it. And behind the administrative apparatus of the party (Eurosystem) is the Central Committee (Eurogroup) and the Politburo (the key creditor government officials). And behind THEM is the real locus of the party's centralized power: the General Secretary (Germany/Merkel).

So J.W. Mason is quite right: it is impossible for any left government to attack the dictatorship of finance unless it controls its national central bank. But while control of the national central bank is necessary, it is hardly sufficient. As long as the EMU exit is off the table, verboten, so to speak, control of the national central banks only eliminates the "near enemy."

Ultimately it comes down to political will, which in parliamentary democracies, comes down to public support. As long as the majority (of all voters or of propertied influentials, depending on the system) is more loyal to the Euro than to national sovereignty an effective challenge to the dictatorship of finance is impossible - no matter how many national central banks the left controls.

Posted by b at 06:57 AM | Comments (90)
Selected Skeptical Comments
nmb | Jul 16, 2015 7:20:43 AM | 1

Greece capitulates with the euro-dictatorship ... until the next battle

jfl | Jul 16, 2015 7:33:14 AM | 2

You know this 'independent' central bank as tool of the neolibraconian consensus is the most salient point drummed home about Russia : the central bank as 5th column.

And the Russian central bank preceded the ECB, didn't it? When the boys from Harvard went to Russia to 'straighten' things out they conducted an experiment ... and discovered it worked just great : rinse and repeat. Russia was the archetype of the gelded European nation to come.

So the next time says Russia is not a part of Europe I'll say ... not only of Europe, but the first European nation subverted by the gnomes of neolibraconia.

The Europeans who still have a pulse ought to note now just who their real enemy is : hint, the one that's occupying Europe. And who is their fellow European victim. And ban together to defeat their common enemy ... well run him out of town on a rail, at any rate.

Certainly rearrange their banking arrangements.

Timon | Jul 16, 2015 8:48:21 AM | 5

One of the key reasons that Wall St/City/Frankfurt want universal "austerity" is not just that they want people to be frightened, impoverished and insecure; but in particular, because it has the desirable effect of suppressing the political participation of people who must continuously walk the edge, just to get by - and by now this is about half the population -and who might otherwise participate in the political process with decisive effect.

Rise like lions after slumber
In unfathomable number
Shake your chains to earth like dew
That in sleep have fallen on you
Ye are many, they are few.

H.L. Mencken is also very good on this subject - the need of the self-appointed elite to distract and render impotent the average person, and how greatly the big shots hate and fear the "mob".

why would a small country like Greece need to be the second biggest spender in nato after the USA. ...

mcohen | Jul 16, 2015 8:57:04 AM | 6

According to an editorial published by the Greek conservative newspaper Kathimerini, after the removal of the right-wing military junta in 1974, Greek governments wanted to bring disenfranchised left-leaning portions of the population into the economic mainstream[28] and so ran large deficits to finance enormous military expenditure, public sector jobs, pensions and other social benefits.

Greece is, as a percentage of GDP, the second-biggest defense spender[29] in NATO, the highest being the United States, according to NATO statistics.

The US is the major supplier of Greek arms, with the Americans supplying 42 per cent of its arms, Germany supplying 22.7 per cent, and France 12.5 per cent of Greece's arms purchases.[30]

Everybody and I mean everybody is king fu fighting. And those bankers are as fast as lightning

ab initio | Jul 16, 2015 10:32:40 AM | 12

It should be obvious with how the ECB structure was formed that any country that uses the euro as its currency is dependent on the ECB for liquidity if there is deposit flight from the banks in that country.

There is only two ways for a country to retain full sovereignty. One have a national currency with a national monetary authority that controls it and second a government that if it runs a deficit has the ability to borrow in private markets and maintains a currency board (e.g: Ecuador which uses the US dollar).

Ecuador is a good example where its government debt became untenable. It defaulted on the debt and so was for all intents shut out from private debt markets, so the government could not run a deficit. It continued to use the US dollar as its currency.

Greece had to make a choice. Continue in the eurosystem and accept the hegemony of the eurogroup or exit. It's parliament accepted the former. One can blame Schauble and Merkel all you want but the bottom line is that the Greek government and parliament acquiesced to its loss of sovereignty. The Greek people have the power to change it if they want. They just have to decide to exit the eurosystem and elect a government that does that.

In France, Marine Le Pen is clear. She will take France out of the eurosystem if elected. Of course we'll have to see if she honors her campaign promise but at least she is categorical about it. Syriza got elected promising they'll be able to get a better deal compared to the center-right party before them. In this case the Left in Greece delivered an even worse result for the average Greek citizen.

Jackrabbit | Jul 16, 2015 12:52:58 PM | 18

IMO these 'lessons' miss the biggest one for the left: the loss of independent media. What good is protesting neolib control via banks if no one is listening?

Governments easily manipulate corporate controlled media via access journalism. Thus we get factual truths intermixed with propaganda spin that is relentlessly pro-business, pro-establishment.

Greece is a case in point. As described in Greek Government Insider Lifts the Lid on Five Months of 'Humiliation' and 'Blackmail', the Troika was gradually increasing pressure on Greece to do what the Troika demanded. They withheld billions of euro to Greece and cut off liquidity to the Greek government. Then they waited as the financial pressure on Greece grew. But along with those measures was a caustic media that painted Syriza as incompetent, then undemocratic (because most greeks wanted to remain in the euro), then irresponsible (for calling a referendum), etc.

Too often we give the media a pass when it has been well documented that business and government tries to control MSM (and increasingly other media as well) via access journalism, advertising revenue (a few industries dominate) writing stories that cite in-the-tank 'experts' from establishment-friendly think-tanks and controlled opposition.

Even within Greece, Syriza had trouble getting their message out because oligarchs own virtually all of the media! And many blogs also fell for the spin - even those that have been critical of the media in the past like Yves Smith at nakedcapitalism.com - despite the fact that the delay in Greece putting forth a proposal before the April 30th deadline could be logically attributed to the 2-step process that the Troika had forced (describing how they would service the debt would severely undermine Greece's position in future debt restructuring talks).

A Left that is not in touch with the people - and whose message is undermined by establishment-friendly media - is a disaster far greater than the loss of control of the financial system. The Left's greatest strength should be its connection with the people that it fights for. Yet, instead the Left has allowed itself to be marginalized by a corporate media that has strengthened the centrist 'faux Left' at the expense of the progressive Left. So much so that many people today identify THE LEFT with the identity politics that forms 'the base' for the fauxLeft. In short, people of the 'Left' are viewed as selfishly wanting something for themselves at the expense of others. (It should come as no surprise that reporting about Greece often fell in line with this line of thinking.)

For activists that are outside the centrist political establishment - anti-war, climate change, the environment (fracking, nuclear energy, etc.), inequality, constitutional and civil rights, etc. - it is very difficult to reach a wide audience. All 'change' is channeled into the pro-business, pro-establishment centrist political system. Anyone who is not a centrist is suspect.

Greece's coherent arguments quickly fell off media radar as sniping about their incompetence and their oh-so-strange Finance Minister took center stage. This put even more pressure on the Greeks and deterred potential allies. And the spinning continues. The understanding of most people still does not go much beyond this: the Greeks don't want to pay their bills and Syriza are incompetent radicals that made the problems worse and can't be trusted. In the face of this onslaught by the Troika and Troika-friendly media, Syriza's resistance is all but ignored in favor of trumpeting Greece's defeat (a warning to others?).

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Is there any hope? Maybe.

1) Syriza formed a government with nationalists (ANEL). Why the Left is depicted as unpatriotic is beyond me, but the left may be getting its patriotic mojo back as WAR and trade deals are increasingly understood as benefiting an international elite. I could see similar political alliances forming in other countries. (In the US, I think the establishment had feared a potential Tea Party - Occupy alliance.)

2) Media reform (or the threat of it). The Greek government has begun investigations into media bias during the referendum (there was very little coverage of government rallies and government positions, etc.). If the Syriza-led government falls, any media reforms are probably less likely.

Ron Paul's "audit the Fed" movement got some traction which caused the Fed to take notice. "Truth in media" efforts should probably be re-doubled.

3) Education. We need to retain humanities education. Higher education is turning into vocational training. For example, IMO it's difficult to appreciate the myriad issues and import of the neolib consumer-oriented approach to government vs. the democratic citizen-oriented approach, without a humanities education.

Also, people don't usually react until it is too late - partly because few have enough learning to understand the impact that new policies will have. They try to make up for their lack of understanding by relying on trusted representatives like Obama. TTIP is a case in point. Look for demonstrations about Obamatrade in a few years when it is too late.

dana | Jul 16, 2015 1:25:52 PM | 19

Following, a link to a German documentary about the various mechanisms of the EU [Troika, Eurogroup, European Commission, Council, etc] which are being used as devastating tools to beat down and extract wealth, vampire style, from Greece [and Cyprus], in order to revive comatose banks and line the pockets of investors, through privatization of public property.

This documentary does a good job of demonstrating just how the power of technocratic branches of the EU is being rolled out to pillage Greek, Portuguese, Cyprus economies, plunging the respective populations into ever greater misery.

The Trail of the Troika [1:29:22]

psychohistorian | Jul 16, 2015 1:34:37 PM | 20

@ 15

james, If you read the Shock Doctrine by Naomi Kline you can follow the same financial rape of South American countries in the 70's that the financial mafia are doing now to the middle east.

The world needs to have a discussion about the world of private finance that exists now and what could be if all finance were sovereign.

Thrasyboulos | Jul 16, 2015 2:26:43 PM | 22

The role of the European Central Bank and their buttler, Stournaras, at the Greek Central Bank in this fiasco needs this kind of discussion, and more, since it lies at the heart of German blackmail and coup attempt of the Greek government. Thank you b for this post.

@5

One reason that there have been inordinate arms purchase by Greece is that the Greek elite -- media, oligarchy, politicians (especially the latter) are up to their armpits in corruption, and one of the vehicles for corruption is arms deals.

The all powerful "socialist" minister of defence under Papandreou and minister of development under Simitis is now in jail, almost prime minister, now serving 20 years in the hoosgow, for being bribed by German arms dealers (Siemens, among others). It is widely believed that the previous governments went after this easy and obvious target to cut off investigations of others, a lot of others.

The nationalist minister of defence under the Tsipras government, Panos Kammenos is sending document after document to prosecutors involving a bewildering array of bribery, thievery, fraud, and so on in the Greek armed forces. Submarines that leak, helicopters that can't fly, because of onerous service after purchase contracts. The list is huge.

One reason why both German and Greek corruptos hate him so much, and tried to bring down the Tsipras government. It remains to be seen if he keeps his post, after Tsipras's deal with the Germans.

The other, of course, is the Turkey threat, also used to justify military procurement.

Thrasyboulos | Jul 16, 2015 3:31:55 PM | 24

Quote from Jacobin from an article titled The End of Europe.

http://tinyurl.com/nt2g8g3

The discussions with Greece are thus a formal process designed to politically defeat Greece's left forces, burying any prospects of meaningful political change across the continent. This is the only explanation for the creditors' inflexibility despite Tsipras crossing all Syriza's red lines in terms of pensions reforms, tax policy, privatizations, and market liberalization. This punitive stance was made crystal clear by late June, when the ECB actively incited a bank run, warning of an "uncontrollable crisis," and abruptly capped its emergency loans to the banking sector, triggering bank holidays and capital controls.

Also in the site, an informative behind the scenes interview with Left Platform Syriza MP, Stathis Kouvelakis.

Jackrabbit | Jul 16, 2015 3:34:47 PM | 25

Here's another lesson: Resistance works.

The Troika was willing to 'punch' Syriza's ticket ("Welcome to the Club"!) with minor concessions. But Tspiras/Varoufakis did not simply accept what the Troika demanded.

As bad as the deal is, Greece managed to get the debt restructuring that the Troika had refused to talk about. They had even refused to put their promises of a future debt restructuring in writing.

Many are saying that Greece should've prepared for GRexit; critizing Syriza/Tspiras as too establishment and too europhile to contemplate that path. But they have bought time to prepare for the next round. And in the next round, it may be that a GERexit is on the table as well.

Euro QE is not a magic elixir; just more extend and pretend. It'll exacerbate core vs. periphery problems as much as it exacerbates inequality (as it has in the USA). And political and fiscal integration is hard to do when people feel that they are not treated fairly.

tom | Jul 16, 2015 3:45:06 PM | 26

This $50 billion Greek asset theft fund that was willingly handed over by Syriza traitors, as well as other politicians responsible, Is exactly the collateral needed for a independent Greek central bank to create, let's say for eg, a fractional reserve base of 10% to create $500 billion.

With that now $500 billion, the Greek government could pay off all the debt, including the criminally induced ones, and it's based on those $50 billion worth of assets.
And That's only if you agree to the idea of paying off all your criminally in deuced debts.

An independent and sovereignly principled government or parliament would do exactly that.
And there's more fractional reserves using National assets that can be used to grow the economy and serve the people.

Syriza knows this, but since they are unprincipled, Ideologically weak, cowardly towards their aggressors and more interested in power than public service, means you're never get that from these freaks.
Obvious from day one. Judge them on their actions, not on their whingeing on how they've been mistreated and violated.

How the fuck is it accepted, that private banks can print as much national currencies as they like, but the owners of the those national currencies - the people and the government - cannot do with fractional reserves and money printing, like what the private banks do.

juliania | Jul 16, 2015 4:45:18 PM | 31

jackrabbit@17, I would like to point out that the Greek populace ignored the media when they voted in the referendum, so I think the importance of such propagandistic power is overblown. Once you lose faith in that source of information, it's gone; it doesn't come back. Russia under the Soviets is a case in point, and currently also there is an erosion in US confidence that what they see and hear is trustworthy. What happened after the referendum confused the public, and that was a huge mistake.

Back a ways, in support of Tsipras, I wanted him to do as Putin has done and shore up that public confidence because then you can make decisions in the moment and the support will grow. Immense popularity is a powerful weapon. Varoufakis was correct in seeing that as an important pivotal moment, when the people supported the 'no' vote that Tsipras had also supported. The course he chose confused his supporters. Paramount should have been the dictum that the people could not bear further austerity and that was that - the austerity they would face at that point would be the prideful kind that can see a brave future beyond.

Tsipras had embraced the New Deal outlook, but he forgot Roosevelt's famous saying, 'You have nothing to fear but fear itself.' Varoufakis welcomed, FDR style, the banksters' hatred. It's too bad Tsipras could not do the same. Long lines of grateful poor people stood by the tracks as FDR's funeral train passed. Will that happen for Tsipras? There's a Greek saying that one should count no man happy until after his death. Roosevelt, loved by his people and by history, was a happy man. I hope there's time for Tsipras to become one as well.

jfl | Jul 16, 2015 7:50:55 PM | 33

PPS/23: Review of Current Trends in U.S. Foreign Policy, 1948 CE

Furthermore, we have about 50% of the world's wealth but only 6.3% of its population. This disparity is particularly great as between ourselves and the peoples of Asia. In this situation, we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity without positive detriment to our national security. To do so, we will have to dispense with all sentimentality and day-dreaming; and our attention will have to be concentrated everywhere on our immediate national objectives. We need not deceive ourselves that we can afford today the luxury of altruism and world-benefaction.

For these reasons, we must observe great restraint in our attitude toward the Far Eastern areas. The peoples of Asia and of the Pacific area are going to go ahead, whatever we do, with the development of their political forms and mutual interrelationships in their own way. This process cannot be a liberal or peaceful one. The greatest of the Asiatic peoples-the Chinese and the Indians-have not yet even made a beginning at the solution of the basic demographic problem involved in the relationship between their food supply and their birth rate. Until they find some solution to this problem, further hunger, distress, and violence are inevitable. All of the Asiatic peoples are faced with the necessity for evolving new forms of life to conform to the impact of modern technology. This process of adaptation will also be long and violent. It is not only possible, but probable, that in the course of this process many peoples will fall, for varying periods, under the influence of Moscow, whose ideology has a greater lure for such peoples, and probably greater reality, than anything we could oppose to it. All this, too, is probably unavoidable; and we could not hope to combat it without the diversion of a far greater portion of our national effort than our people would ever willingly concede to such a purpose.

Between Berlin and a Hard Place: Greece and the German Strategy to Dominate Europe, 2012 CE

As Chancellor Merkel and other German leaders would frequently remind the rest of Europe and the world, with 7% of the world population, 25% of global GDP and 50% of world social spending, Europe's economic system was unsustainable and uncompetitive in a globalized economy. Germany's vision for Europe was aimed at introducing "rules to force Europe's economies to become more competitive." But competitiveness was defined by Germany, and thus, "the rest of Europe needs to become more like Germany."
I nearly choked when I read Timothy Geithner quoted at the beginning of dana's link ... but it makes perfect sense. None of this is about 'economics' - that chimerical, dismal 'science' - all of it is about politics, and power politics, and imperial politics.

The Germans - like everyone else - can see the US has had its run and is headed for its fall. But they also know that Germany by itself is not of a size to pick up where the US leaves off, when the US leaves off. So Germany needs to take over Europe.

I think I've heard this before.


Between 2008 and 2013, the Greek government cut 40% of its budget, healthcare costs soared, tens of thousands of doctors, nurses and other healthcare workers were fired, drug costs rose, as did drug use with HIV infections doubling and a malaria outbreak was reported for the first time since the 1970s, while suicide rates increased by 60%. ... Unemployment has grown to 26% (and over 50% for youth), wages dropped by 33%, pensions were cut by 45%, and 40% of retired Greeks now live below the poverty line.

Cleanliness is next to Godliness. The Germans are cleaning up Greece, and Europe.

The IMF's latest move - fake debt reduction for Greece, the kind of stuff that flows out of Geither's pie-hole in dana's link above - seems to be overt recognition of this fact, bringing it into play.

So they new dynamic will be the US on one side and Russia on the other, containing Germany's New Europe?

Makes sense, really. (None of this makes any sense ... only to the zero-summers playing games with our world). China surely has its eyes on all that Lebensraum in eastern Russia. The US and Russia can team up to defeat the NAZIs who have 'stolen' the Ukrainian revolution (to contain both Europe and China). (And then the US can double-cross Russia when the time is ripe).

Hey, looks like it's 'working' with our new, soon to be 'best friends' in Iran.

Arghhhh. Makes me want to stop reading the news, stop watching the movie. Or do something to help change it.

jfl | Jul 16, 2015 10:29:16 PM | 34

More on the reaction to Germany's power plays, from Fort Russ ...

"Germany's policies pose a danger to Europe for the first time since 1945"--A View From Poland

... and the US' possible doubly convoluted play as hypothesized by Joaquin Flores last September ...

Pravy Sektor Coup as ISIS Scenario: NATO to Feign a 'Unilateral' Alliance With Russia

... just substitute the US for NATO. Germany has certainly knocked the scales from some eyes. I can't imagine Russia will be drawn in.

Greed and geopolitics do make strange bedfellows though. Nations don't have friends they have interests. And it's hard to see any of these 'nation' that have identified its citizens' interests with its own. Of the big ones ... maybe Russia under Putin? All he has is the support of the Russian people.

guest77 | Jul 17, 2015 12:48:32 AM | 36

Excellent thread.

Syriza has shown, I suppose, that gaining access to power isn't enough. The party has to be involved with its members and those they hope to make members. Helping people get access to food, medicine, security, and anything else the state is refusing to help with. The left cannot just win elections, it must be threatening to those in power. It must be prepared to take control of those things the people demand they control (and it must be willing to relax when the people demand this). People must look to the organization in Latin America, that is all I can say. There, under the harshest repression, democracy is thriving.

The story of Greece I suppose is a lesson for the rest of the left parties though, who of them has a chance outside of Podemos - and what of Podemos anyway. They don't seem particularly able sadly.

The world- but especially the west - in the last 30 years, has changed so fundamentally that democracy is nowhere to be found. Nor democratic forms of social organization are even gone for the most part. And now they are turning the screws on whatever remains. Even the middle classes live under turn-key totalitarianism, as it was said by someone, (as opposed to before, where it was just the lower classes) and everyone knows this. And it is proved more and more with each passing event it seems. The people are thoroughly boxed in and controlled, but unlike juliania I think the media has so much to do with it. The massive media conglomeration is a keystone of the changes over the last 30 years, as well as the emergence of the internet - brought to a great many people by those media conglomerates.

The oligarchs of the west are determined to return to their royal status and complete political power they had before WW1. This is really a hopeless feeling attached to this, their seemingly complete victory over democracy. And I imagine that is much of the point...

guest77 | Jul 17, 2015 12:52:57 AM | 37

I haven't read this all, but looks very applicable to our times...

The network of global corporate control - https://archive.org/details/TheNetworkOfGlobalControl

Stefania Vitali, James B. Glattfelder, and Stefano Battiston

Abstract
The structure of the control network of transnational corporations affects global market competition and financial stability. So far, only small national samples were studied and there was no appropriate methodology to assess control globally. We present the first investigation of the architecture of the international ownership network, along with the computation of the control held by each global player. We find that transnational corporations form a giant bow-tie structure and that a large portion of control flows to a small tightly-knit core of financial institutions.

This core can be seen as an economic "super-entity" that raises new important issues both for researchers and policy makers.

Jackrabbit | Jul 17, 2015 1:33:03 AM | 38

juliania @30

Yes, Tsipras seems to have been ambivalent. The referendum was a bold move that actually worked in his favor but then turned cautious. Maybe he worried that if he threatened GRexit Schauble and the Troika would call his bluff?

In an earlier thread, I likened Tsipras to Chamberlain, who had the best intentions but is remembered as an appeaser. This may seem like a dramatic comparison but Michael Hudson has made the point that economics is now war by other means.

Chamberlain satisfied the public's overwhelming desire for peace just as Tspiras satisfied his public's desire to stay in the Euro. Each one had misgivings about the deal that they signed. Chamberlain began to rearm - especially building up British air power. Tsipras may also prepare for a future confrontation with the Troika.

MRW | Jul 17, 2015 2:05:22 AM | 40

The role of the Eurosystem within the half-hidden political order of the eurozone really is comparable to the Soviet or Chinese Communist Party.


No, it's not. Billmon doesn't understand the structure. He's not seeing it clearly, and is not getting to the root of the problem.

The individual EU countries that use the Euro cannot create their own currency. They GAVE UP their sovereign currency for a foreign one, the euro, when they agreed to make themselves subservient to the Maastricht Treaty.

The Maastricht Treaty did/does not allow for a 'federal government of Europe'. It ONLY concerned itself with a monetary union, and it set down strict rules for entry (for instance, a nation's deficits could be no more than 3%--an insanity). It allowed for the creation of a central bank, the European Central Bank (ECB), whose operating rules were dictated by the Maastricht Treaty (and subsequent revisions).

But crucial to understand is this: a central bank CAN ONLY SET MONETARY POLICY. You need a 'federal government' to SET FISCAL POLICY. The EU doesn't have that. Sure, it has the EU parliament, and it has a bunch of unelected officials running the ECB. But it has no overlord, no elected oversight, that can rule in conditions like Greece is going through to ease sectoral pain, and stop the bleeding of ordinary citizens. That requires fiscal policy. The only way that fiscal policy can be changed in the EU is by a change to the treaties. Or the blessing of Angela Merkel, because Germany has captured the ECB.

Let me try to put this in perspective. The US has a federal government AND a central bank. Despite what all the Federal Reserve haters and the 'get rid of the IRS' people claim (inaccurately), the US central bank is a creature of Congress and must answer, by law, to the federal government twice a year. It is the US Treasury's banker, and must, again by law, return all profits each year to the US Treasury.

The US federal government creates fiscal policy. This is the direction for the country that the central must follow and support trhough monetary polices. Fiscal policy is Congress' job although they haven't done it properly for 30 years. For example, if one of the 50 states is in trouble-let's be hyperbolic: devastating earthquake, massive drought, asteroid hits--Congress can authorize ("appropriate") funds--creating them 'out of thin air'-to help the state. With no debt to children or grandchildren.

Why? Because the US federal government issues the currency, the 50 states only use them. The 50 states cannot create their own currency, just like the countries that use the euro. But the 50 states have the protection of the US federal government.

The formerly sovereign countries in the EU that use the Euro are like the 50 US states now. They cannot create their own currency, which would give them the policy space to pay their own citizens and denominate all the debts incurred in their own currency. They are dependent on the ECB, a goddam central bank that has no fiscal authority, to help them. EVEN THOUGH, in Europe, the ECB issues the Euro 'out of thin air'. The ECB is a collection of central banks. And right now Germany's central bank is dominant because it has climbed to the top-Germany was deeply in debt before the euro took over-on the backs of the other nations.

You will not begin to understand what is going on until you realize that the euro was designed by the famous French economist, François Perroux, in 1942 in anticipation of Hitler winning WWII, which was expected then. The plan was that they (the Nazi Pétain government wanted to be aligned with the German hegemon) would introduce a pan-Eurpoean currency and force adoption by the southern and eastern European countries to control and impoverish them. Mitterand, aligned with the Nazi/fascist Cagoulard in the late 1930 and 40s, was a Pétain enthusiast; this only came out in 1990. It was Mitterand who pushed through the euro, if you will check history. Perroux's monetary replacement was the blueprint for the Maastricht Treaty and the subsequent treaties.

MRW | Jul 17, 2015 2:46:03 AM | 42

@tom | Jul 16, 2015 3:45:06 PM | 25

How the fuck is it accepted, that private banks can print as much national currencies as they like, but the owners of the those national currencies - the people and the government - cannot do with fractional reserves and money printing, like what the private banks do.

1. Private banks cannot "print as much national currencies as they like."

2. Fractional reserve banking does not exist. It died 80 years ago in most modern economies. I think only Hong Kong and Bulgaria (I think) use it now. The US doesn't' use it. Neither does any single country in the EU or Europe. Fractional reserve banking can only exist in countries that have a gold standard.

3. The only entity that prints the euro is the ECB, although the national central banks do it for the ECB under contract. BUT. BUT. BUT. These national central banks do it by keystroke. They don't control the physical printing presses. Besides, physical currency is such a small part of the currency.

4.

but the owners of the those national currencies - the people and the government
any country using the euro is not using a "national" currency. They are using a foreign currency.
james | Jul 17, 2015 3:06:57 AM | 43

@19/20 psychohistorian.. i like where you are coming from, but people are slow to change and always looking for leadership.. many think that because someone is rich or has a type of power that comes with money, that they will be good enough to lead.. that is a mixed bag to me personally.. there are just as many losers with money as not..

@28 Laguerre.. thanks.. you've given a specific example to my more generalized observations already posted.. indeed - visa and mastercard are a part of the same ponzi scheme run by the same kleptomaniacs under the guise of whatever they want to pass themselves off as.. playing with the bank of international settlements is only a step away..

@35 guest77 quote.. "The world- but especially the west - in the last 30 years, has changed so fundamentally that democracy is nowhere to be found." i think that is very true..

@39 mrw.. good post, but you are not addressing the issue directly either.. making a comparison to what was a country like greece to one of the states in the usa, cheapens the idea of what a country is.. the euro has done this too.. doesn't mean we have to go along with it, but in terms of drawing a parallel, it isn't a bad one to make. and of course the big difference here is now that greece has given up it's control of monetary policy, as have all the other countries gobbled up in this insane idea of an european community - greece is an opportunity for everyone within the stupid structure to see it for what it is - a complete rip off of any shred of democracy that might have remained...

mrw - we've had these conversations before.. you appear to think the fed reserve is some sort of good two shoes neutral structure that follows a mandate and is not beholden to malevolent interests.. i see it as just the opposite.. the euro was another way to diversify the ponzi scheme by duping a lot of ignorant people into something they would have been better knowing more about.. i would be curious to hear a response from you that provides an answer as to the solution here.. mine would be greece to say fuck you to the euro currency and go back on it's own...

psychohistorian | Jul 17, 2015 3:29:02 AM | 44

@jackrabbit.....you said that us "lower class" folk rely on the "upper class" folk to keep the world running

In the 66 years of my life I have seen untold potential waiting/begging for opportunity and I think your neck might break watching the momentary vacuum be filled getting rid of the top 50K social parasites and their attendant sociopaths. It is a myth that us poor 99% can't make it without the 1%. It is a myth that has been around for centuries and never has been true. The 1% are and have been an impediment to that advancement of humanity for quite some time. In most major ways we stopped evolving during the Enlightenment period when faith didn't become deprecated but instead became one of the tenets of the Western form of social organization, others being private property/finance, inheritance and "rule of law".

If all that were to change by neutering inheritance and ongoing ownership of private property (yeah, neuter public policy influence of religions too)
With Capital being returned to the global Commons, public education regains its priority and is a right for all but at the higher levels; and private education disappears. With those of faith no longer being in control of public policy, population control can be discussed, managed and alternatives like birth control researched/provided. We have answers for many of our pressing social problems, but we do not have the will to break out of the anthropological mold we are in.

Would the 99% agree to develop and use a technology that burdened the next thousand generations of humans to manange the potentially extinction causing effluent (i.e. Fukushima)? We live according to a very sick, no longer defensible and currently committing war crimes against humanity form of social organization, who's administrators we used to prosecute at the Hague 70 years ago. American empire is now the tool of the global plutocrats and the odds of the 99% wresting control away and changing the course of our species and world look slim.......but creating textual white noise on the intertubes is cathartic.

chris m | Jul 17, 2015 6:06:08 AM | 47

Regarding events of past 6 months between Greece and the EU
(and Greek membership of the euro).
Following the recent Greek capitulation,it is clear to almost everyone now that the fuse has been lit beneath the euro.(and possibly even the entire European project.

Eurosceptism is starting to break out (and its only just starting) throughout the entire EU.
We can now all see politicians such as Marine Le Pen getting elected in next French Presidential Election on a purely "leave the euro now" ticket.

PS the entire Europe project was always predicated on a "lets destroy individual National Sovereignty" premise (a sort of EUSSR).

I never did understand why when Communism officially died around 1990
that it seemed to make an almost simultaneous and miraculous rebirth, but then Europe is the land of Dracula
and various other 19th century horror stories.

Noirette | Jul 17, 2015 11:00:23 AM | 51

Syriza has shown, I suppose, that gaining access to power isn't enough. The party has to be involved with its members and those they hope to make members. guest77 at 35.

I agree, also pretty much with the rest of the post. What happened is that there was a power vacuum in Greece (when PASOK threw in the towel and the old structure crumbled) and the only ones willing to enter the breach were Syriza. One might also say that in Greece the political power structure does not match the real power structures in a good or efficient way. This democratic hoopla is all peachy cool when it is Swiss burghers discussin' and votin' on the color of the trams, or property tax, while being faithful to their 'radical' or 'socialist' -whatever- roots. In Greece, in its present form, it does not work. See for ex. the fantastical abyss between the OXI vote and the acceptance by the elected representatives of even harsher austerity.

Ideally, in a hypothetical genuine, true? democratic system, after the OXI vote a unitary or even technocatic Gvmt should have been formed (ironically, Tsipras did just that in a way ..) behind the OXI vote, to collectively resist and bargain (doubt any positive result would have been forthcoming but who knows), but naturally that was not possible.

One argument is that the 'Left' must be 'more in touch', 'must reform', must be 'more grass roots' etc. (Sounds a bit like what they say about the EU, heh? And in Greece that argument is made, plenty) - true, but imho it won't be enough. No way.

So some other avenues have to be explored, sought, implemented.. One imperative (under the present cirucumstances) is national sovereignity, see in Greece, New Democracy being say 'for austerity', 'for the euro' and so on because they are tied up in comprador not to say Mafia circles linked to the EU, big capital, banks, instituted corrupt structures, tax evasions, etc.

Anyway this debacle has shown that parliamentary democracy is not to be afforded to small powerless countries that have been taken for a ride. I think ppl are seeing that now, that facade is cracking.

Overall the EU is in deep sh*t. It won't survive for very long in its present shape.

Jackrabbit | Jul 17, 2015 11:16:30 AM | 53

camelotkidd

This article fails to note the 'eurosclerosis' that plagued Europe in the 70's and 80's. Uncompetitive economies with large social obligations and clientist political systems that still exist in some areas.

The 'evil genious' moniker doesn't really fit. I doubt he is the only economist that would've offered such a solution. And he is certainly not the only guy that found European labor laws of the time to be a costly headace. I think he just got there first. And his demeanor is grandfatherly not menacing.

And he is not unmindful of how his work can be misused. When I took his advanced economics class in the early 90's I argued against the excesses of supply-side economics while others in the class seemed to be eager to show their support of what they assumed Mundell believed in. I got an A-.

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There are problems with the Euro - the disparate economies, the lack of political and fiscal union, the uneven benefits, etc. - but blaming it on the academics seems like scape-goating, and nearly as bad as blaming it on the victims. Should we blame Marx for the fall of the Soviet Union?

tom | Jul 17, 2015 4:34:48 PM | 59

MRW @42

How do you reconcile the contradiction between your points 1 and 2.

If Private banks "cannot" print as much money as they like ( point 1 ), then how can fractional reserve banking Not exist in most of the world ? ( point 2 ) . If fractional reserves do not exist then they free to print as much as they like.

Of course whem I say they can "print as much as they like" , that is not a children's imagination interpretation where the private banks are free to print infinitelt, that's of course the private banks have been unlinked from previously acceptable amount of printing/keyboard strokes, to create money.

And your 3rd doesn't make any sense at all. How does a gold standard have any restrictions on having a 10% fractional reserve, 1000%, or 1,000,000% of gold holdings ? Gold doesn't make decisions, regulations and enforcement are the decision-makers. Whether it's gold or fiat.

And your point 4 is right. It is my argument to why no country should join a single currency like the euro, and nations should always have their own sovreign national currencies

juliania | Jul 18, 2015 1:08:20 AM | 66

Jackrabbit@38

Sorry to be late on here. The Chamberlain comparison is an interesting one, and Tsipras' tragic flaw may be his devotion to the Eurozone - I think it is his, not really any perceived mandate, because surely he knows a good leader makes choices as events change - to go back to my example, that's what FDR did, and very risky choices they were. Some of FDR's didn't work, so he did other things. He was making it up as he went along, and I think that's very similar to what would be needed in exiting the eurozone. You would have to bring the people along with you, with the confidence and trust that something needed to happen, charting a new course. Tsipras doesn't seem to have been willing to do that, and consequently he runs the risk of being just one more in the line of leaders who have caved under pressure.

I think it has a lot to do with lack of faith in the people themselves on the part of such leadership. Obama showed this when he didn't take public financing but already was turning to the banksters. He didn't need to do that, and he probably would have even had a bigger vote tally if he'd stayed with the people. I wonder why this new leadership seems so divorced from sympathy with those who elect them and whom they presumably serve? I don't think Tsipras is as two-faced as Obama, but he's starting to wear the same shoes. The tragedy is the Greek people so much need him to step up - the way a tennis player steps up if he's really a champion. I think there's still time but it's getting late. If he keeps on with this deal, history will take note. That's a huge price to pay.

jfl | Jul 18, 2015 1:24:02 AM | 67

Tsipras ... he messed up. If 'his' deal goes through Greece suffers the full catastrophe. The thing to do is to prevent that happening. Tsipras is a lame duck. It makes little difference why he messed up ... character flaw, bribery, incompetence, all the usual failings of the political class.

The point is he has set Greece up for more lethal loans and so his 'program' must be repudiated. The only way I can imagine that happening is via the direct participation of the Greek people in their government. If there is a majority NO! on the new' program, good. Make a counter offer ... when (if, I suppose, to be inclusive) it's rejected, exit the euro - there's life at the end of the tunnel. If not ... well, they're done for, aren't they?

Debt-slaves of the German-dominated EU : deprived of their remaining assets and their own government.

fairleft | Jul 18, 2015 2:58:03 AM | 68

Lapavitsas Calls for Exit as the Only Strategy for Greek People (the video, audio and transcript):

Why this capitulation? Why have we come to this after all the enthusiasm of six months ago? After the surge of grassroots support in this country and in Europe? The answer is clear to me. And it has to do with the wrong strategy, that was good enough to win elections, but proved disastrous in government. What is this wrong strategy? It's very simple, expressed openly time and time again. We will achieve radical change in Greece, radical change in Europe, and we will do it within the Eurozone. That was the strategy. Well, that's not possible, period.

As far as I'm concerned, the Greek left has found its leader. Lapavitsas says it all, clearly and brilliantly: Grexit and nationalize the banks.

You can't advance if you do not understand that Syriza has failed, if you keep making excuses for their failure, or try to pretend it was anything but failure. Greece must leave the euro. This has been obvious for several years, but unreasoning, 'no matter what' Eurozone love, especially prevalent within Syriza and generally among the middle-class European left and pseudo-left (Podemos, I'm looking at you!), MUST be abandoned. The euro doesn't love you; it's time to stop loving it back.

The MAIN task for the European left, if it wants to be left rather than neoliberal, is to abandon the euro. It's easy: listen and be persuaded by Lapavitsas.

okie farmer | Jul 18, 2015 4:10:39 AM | 69

More from Lapavitsas:
Finally, the deal is quite clearly neocolonial. The government of the left has signed up Greece to a neocolonial agreement.

And it is--it is neocolonial for many reasons. I will mention three. First, the deal proposes the establishment of a privatization fund of 50 billion Euros which will basically sell public property under foreign management. 25 billion of that, the first 25 billion, will go to the banks by the agreement. If there's anything left, and there won't be anything left because they'll never make 50 billion, it might go to repaying the debt and possibly to investment. Essentially, then, this fund will sell what it can of public property to recapitalize the banks. We've just agreed the deal that sells the family silver to recapitalize the failed Greek banks.
~~~
The real winner of this deal is obvious. It's staring you in the face. The real winner is the Greek oligarchy expressed in the mass media. That's why the mass media are thriving and celebrating [a win].
~~~
Because the monetary union in which, to which Greece belongs, is not ideological. I mean, it is, but it isn't just ideology. And it isn't just a balance of forces. It is an institutional mechanism. The sooner the Greeks understand this, the better for all of us. It is an institutional mechanism, it is a monetary union that's, it's a hierarchical body that works in the interests of big business and in the interests of a few countries within it. That's what the EMU is.
~~~
Now, what do we do, then? What we need to do is to withdraw our consent to this agreement. To withdraw our consent to this agreement. And to redesign a radical program that is consistent with our values, our aims, and what we've told to the Greek people all this time, all these years. And that radical program is impossible without Euro exit. The only thing that we really need to do is focus on developing a plan for Euro exit that will allow us to implement our program. It is so obvious I'm amazed that people still don't see it after five months of failed negotiations.

okie farmer | Jul 18, 2015 4:23:57 AM | 70

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33578778
The former Greek finance minster has said his country's economic reforms are "going to fail", just as formal talks on a huge bailout are set to begin.

In a BBC interview, Yanis Varoufakis said Greece was subject to a programme that will "go down in history as the greatest disaster of macroeconomic management ever".
~~~
I may disagree with [PM Tsipras] and I declared that by resigning my post
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The bailout could total €86bn (£60bn) in exchange for austerity measures.

In a damning assessment, Mr Varoufakis said: "This programme is going to fail whoever undertakes its implementation."

Asked how long that would take, he replied: "It has failed already."

fairleft | Jul 18, 2015 4:51:18 AM | 71

Varoufakis is just whining. He doesn't provide a solution to the immediate and staggeringly important problem, imposition of worse austerity on Greece's people. He sounds not dissimilar to Tsipras, who also says he's unhappy/pessimistic yada yada. They're like old men complaining about the weather. Whining and whinging, Tsipras has signed up to carry out the police state repression that's the only way his new legislation can be carried out.

Even though the solution/escape is clear, as Lapavitsas points out. It's almost as if the Syriza apologists are incapable of saying/thinking the word 'Grexit'. Who is holding their tongues?

mcohen | Jul 18, 2015 6:59:22 AM | 72

parking weapons like f-16 and submarines in countries is a good idea...they are maintained and serviced and kept ready for active service...this all under the cover of arms deals etc etc.

there is only one flaw..the government of that country must be trusted....they cannot change sides...greece is in a unique position.opposite north africa,on the med, so it is well positioned for launching of attacks,on countries like libya or tunisia or even egypt.

discrete crete sounds like a good name.

paulmeli | Jul 18, 2015 8:15:45 AM | 73

"Varoufakis is just whining. He doesn't provide a solution…"

Exactly. There is no solution that doesn't include leaving the Euro and reclaiming monetary sovereignty (although that alone won't do it…they need astute, competent leadership too). A solution that presumes changing the fundamental Euro structure to include a fiscal component is never going to happen, the big guns (Germany) would leave before that would happen.

Playing long shots works in the movies, in real life not so much.

Most of the billions of words that have been written on this subject have been little more than wailing and gnashing of teeth. Denial.

There are several stages to go before there is any viable solution that citizens will sign on to, that won't be co-opted by TPTB.

honest! | Jul 18, 2015 9:28:16 AM | 74

I'm not saying Syriza made all of the right mover, but neither do I think they can be considered "the Greek People's enemy". Not at all. They appear to be being honest.

guest77 | Jul 17, 2015 7:52:02 PM | 64

What a load of utter nonsense.

Honest?

They demanded the right to seek a mandate from the people before proceeding. They then got exactly the mandate they claimed to have sought . . . . . .

. . . And then, promptly ignored it entirely.

=======

There's nothing "honest" in that. Cynical? Absolutely. Manipulative? Certainly

Threacherous? Most definitely

But "honest"? . . . . GTFO!.

jfl | Jul 18, 2015 10:06:29 AM | 75

@71, @73

And you guys are just endlessly whining about the whiners ... the political class has chosen its preferred 'solution'. They're all done. If there is to be a real solution it has got to come from the Greek people.

@37

That's quite an article. I cut and pasted the picture of the 'bow-tie' graph and made the table of the 50 top controllers from page 33 sortable below it.

page 33 of The network of global corporate control

I'll try to summarize the significance of the bow-tie graph and its abbreviated labels tomorrow, for those who don't want to read the full article themselves.

Twenty-four of the top 50 controllers are nominally American.

Forty-four are financial.

Noirette | Jul 18, 2015 11:43:49 AM | 76

Posted some time back about the ESM (etc.) Here some info that give OK descriptions.

Eric Zuesse, global research

http://tinyurl.com/pqwbvqa

> a link in that article to the Treaty (automatic download)

then this, from the Corporate Europe Observatory

http://tinyurl.com/o3eyg25

> a link to a leaked text explaining the Troikas plans for the privatization fund (that 50 bn) pdf

http://corporateeurope.org/sites/default/files/esm_report_to_greece_0.pdf

for some extra financial info (the only available to the public?) one must go to their site and click through and through - all automatic downloads.

http://www.esm.europa.eu

As MRW writes, at 40, there is no resemblance between EU financial and pol. structures those of the Soviet, Chinese Communist Parties.

MRW maybe you are hyping the Nazi past? Mitterand and Thatcher particularly were against the re-unification of Germany. Mitterand wanted to lock Germany down in the Euro in an 'alliance' (or because he was a bankster's man, in fact laws prohibiting speculation were lifted in France well before Billy C's annulment of Glass-Steagall, the US played catch-up) and Germany made the trade, with difficulty (attachment to the mark, independence, etc.) Controlling countries through their currency and banking system is not an original or particularly Nazi idea. For ex it works right now in parts of Africa with the CFA and nobody talks about it. The French didn't borrow that idea from the Nazis.

rufus magister | Jul 18, 2015 12:09:41 PM | 77

Jackrabbit at 38, juliania at 66, jfl & fairleft >67

Like many, I've been waiting for the longest running drama on the Athens stage to finally get to the last act before attempting to make sense of the staging, plot and characters.

I still don't think we're quite there yet; probably a little more political fall-out still, but not much, see e.g., a majority of the Syriza Central Committee opposed the austerity deal.

The question of the political leadership of the left, however, is always an interesting topic. Also from the 17 July "Links" page at - dare I mention the name? - Naked Capitalism, John Pilger at Alternet argues thatThe Leaders of Greece Are Some of the Phoniest Idealists You'll Ever See. It seems hard to disagree.

Having set aside the mandate of the Greek electorate, the Syriza government has willfully ignored last week's landslide "No" vote and secretly agreed a raft of repressive, impoverishing measures....

The leaders of Syriza are revolutionaries of a kind – but their revolution is the perverse, familiar appropriation of social democratic and parliamentary movements by liberals groomed to comply with neo-liberal drivel and a social engineering whose authentic face is that of Wolfgang Schauble, Germany's finance minister, an imperial thug. Like the Labour Party in Britain and its equivalents among former social democratic parties such as the Labor Party in Australia, still describing themselves as "liberal" or even "left", Syriza is the product of an affluent, highly privileged, educated middle class, "schooled in postmodernism", as Alex Lantier wrote. [I could not immediately find whatever Pilger is quoting, he is affiliated with the "wsws" website; such sad sloppiness at a major site in these days of html coding...]

For them, class is the unmentionable, let alone an enduring struggle, regardless of the reality of the lives of most human beings. Syriza's luminaries are well-groomed; they lead not the resistance that ordinary people crave, as the Greek electorate has so bravely demonstrated, but "better terms" of a venal status quo that corrals and punishes the poor. When merged with "identity politics" and its insidious distractions, the consequence is not resistance, but subservience. "Mainstream" political life in Britain exemplifies this.

This is not inevitable, a done deal, if we wake up from the long, postmodern coma and reject the myths and deceptions of those who claim to represent us, and fight.

How then do democratic movements ensure that their leaders views and priorities accord with their own, and can be held responsible and be replaced? What sort of leadership is needed for industrial as well as political democracy?

rufus magister | Jul 18, 2015 12:18:48 PM | 78

ps to 77 -- Amongst the parties affected by the Munich Agreement, I think Edvard Beneš, the Czechoslovakian President, is a better fit for poor Tsipras.

paulmeli | Jul 18, 2015 12:54:19 PM | 79

"the political class has chosen its preferred 'solution'. They're all done. If there is to be a real solution it has got to come from the Greek people."

No kidding?

I don't know what's worse, repeating the obvious ad nauseam or whining.

Noirette | Jul 18, 2015 2:00:07 PM | 80

Having set aside the mandate of the Greek electorate, the Syriza government has willfully ignored last week's landslide "No" vote and secretly agreed a raft of repressive, impoverishing measures…. a quote by rufus at 77

NO. Syriza was elected on a platform of 'staying in the EU-Euro' and at the same time 'reducing /abolishing austerity.'

This mandate might be considered contradictory or ridiculous, illusory, doomed to fail, etc. (Yes I agree.)

Also Syriza has a slim voter support and thus had to form a coalition Gvmt.

Well in function of that contradictory mandate they managed (at terrible cost and perhaps misguidely) half of it. Staying in the Euro.

What is surprising? Nothing.

Why they chose the one above the other is abundantly clear.

Wayoutwest | Jul 18, 2015 2:24:51 PM | 81

RM@77

I enjoy good discussion and criticism but this carping and sniping about Syriza from the US Left says more about writers such as JP and the weaklings of the Left, that have attained a new level of meaninglessness, and has allowed someone like Bernie Sanders to claim to be a Socialist without any real blowback, is trying.

MRW | Jul 18, 2015 7:29:54 PM | 85

paulmeli at @63 has got it exactly right. In all modern economies on a fiat currency, loans create deposits.

Bankers, as a result, create 'credit money', NOT new interest-free money. (Credit money also means that one person's asset is another person's liability. At the commercial banking level within the real economy that includes collateral, timed repayment schedule, and interest owed, which is income to the issuing bank. Everything nets to zero at this level across the macroeconomy.)

The US federal government, on the other hand, adds new money into the economy. Only entity that can. Only the US federal government can introduce new, interest-free money into the economy, and it does it via congressional spending based on the needs of its citizens, and where it wants the economy to grow (giving 40% of it to the financial institutions is NOT GROWTH). Which the mo-fos we've elected do not understand.

One small quibble, Paul. The amount of physical currency, physical cash and coin, is around 11.5% to12% of the available money. The rest are treasury securities. Don't forget that countries like Ecuador are pegged to the USD and need US cash for their citizens. Ecuador's central bank orders them from the US Treasury (Bureau of Printing and Engraving) and puts up 100% of the demanded amount in assets (treasury securities) to pay for them.

MRW | Jul 18, 2015 7:31:15 PM | 86

Tom @61

Sorry for the delay. I'm traveling. Good questions, btw.

First, let's clear up what fractional reserve banking is. This is a lousy simplistic example, but it will work. And let's imagine a small western town with one bank, which I will call Bank Buckeroo. Introducing a second bank in the town mean I would have to explain how interbank reserves work, and it doesn't matter in this explanation. [BTW, US banks DO NOT LEND their reserves; reserves serve another purpose in the US banking system; namely to help the Federal Reserve retain the overnight interest rate target that banks charge each other. Canada, for example, doesn't even have a reserve requirement for their commercial banks.]

Fractional reserve banking explained

OK. Johnny Schwartzburger sidles into his Bank Buckeroo and deposits 100 bucks in cash in his savings account.

Now Bank Buckeroo has got $100 more than it had yesterday.

Because the reserve requirement is, say, 10%-the FRACTION of the loan that the bank must retain under "fractional reserve banking"--Bank Buckeroo holds onto $10 and can loan out $90.

Sally Sweetpea needs $90 for her beauty shop and she borrows $90 from Bank Buckeroo, and deposits that in her checking account.

Now Bank Buckeroo holds onto $9 (10% of $90) and can loan out $81.

Old Ray Saddleback needs $81 to buy supplies for the only café in town, so he hits up Bank Buckeroo for an $81 loan.

Bank Buckeroo holds onto $8.10 (10% of $81) and can loan out $72.90.

Paddy O'Gilligan needs $72.90 to top off his supply of whiskey at the only bar in town (and this banker likes his whiskey), so he borrows $72.90 from Bank Buckeroo.

Bank Buckeroo holds onto $7.29 (10% of $72.90) and can loan out $65.61

You see where I'm going with this. Eventually, Bank Buckeroo will have reserved all $100, but will have extended credit against that $100 to customers that he knows are good to pay back their loans. Under the gold standard system before 1933, each dollar had a statement on it that you could exchange 20 of the one-dollar bills for one ounce of gold (not exactly the statement but that's what it meant). It was a "fixed exchange rate." The value of a dollar (US) was fixed to the value of gold. So Bank Buckeroo has Johnny Schwartzburger's original $100 in cash that guarantees it can trade-in the cash for $100 in gold anytime it wants. It's protected against that loss. The only thing the banker has to worry about is whether his customers can pay back the new loans, and he knows their creditworthiness intimately.

That all changed in 1933-no more gold standard in the US

We went off the gold standard. The value of the USD was no longer pegged to the value of gold, the supply of which the US federal government could not control globally except for certain US mines. Each new goldmine find globally affected the value of the dollar before 1913 and led to extraordinary panics and busts in the last half of the 1800s. More gold available meant the value of the dollar dropped, and that affected international trade, and whether people exchanged their dollars for gold stateside and hoarded it, further diminishing the amount of money available in the real economy. It was the National Gold Something-or-Other Act in 1900 that pegged the USD at $20/ounce.

Interestingly enough, it was Marriner Eccles, whom FDR made the first chairman of the Federal Reserve three years later, a Republican Mormon banker from Provo UT who appeared before the Senate and House of Representatives in 1932/33 to make the case for dropping the gold standard (he wasn't the only one however). Eccles became more popular than Miley Cyrus. Eccles had seen the devastation that the banking system was doing to his municipal and rural customers. Eccles was 22 when he made his first million after his father died and he had to take over the family businesses, which included a bank. He was a financial genius who could speak plain English to commoners about banking and esoteric financial concepts. His ideas predated John Maynard Keynes by three years. (BTW, Keynes was never taught in American universities, so anyone sneeringly invoking Keynes doesn't know what they are talking about. The first Nobel Laureate in Economics, Paul Samuelson, is supposed to be the explainer and keeper of Keynes ideas, but Samuelson admitted in 1989 in a video interview that he never read more than half the book, and that he never understood Keynes' ideas to begin with.)

[to be contd]

Correction: Each new goldmine find globally affected the value of the dollar before 1913

Should read: Each new goldmine find globally affected the value of the dollar before 1900

MRW | Jul 18, 2015 7:34:22 PM | 87

Tom @61 [contd.]

If Private banks "cannot" print as much money as they like ( point 1 ), then how can fractional reserve banking Not exist in most of the world ? ( point 2 ) . If fractional reserves do not exist then they free to print as much as they like.

[…]

And your 3rd doesn't make any sense at all. How does a gold standard have any restrictions on having a 10% fractional reserve, 1000%, or 1,000,000% of gold holdings ? Gold doesn't make decisions, regulations and enforcement are the decision-makers. Whether it's gold or fiat.

Loans create deposits. Yes, 'out of thin air'. Bankers can say 'Yay' or 'Nay' based on the cut of your jib, or the color of your skin, although they are not allowed to.
Banks don't print money. They issue credit, i.e. 'credit money'. They mark up the customer's bank account with computer keystrokes in the amount of the loan. Banks issue credit money based on two things: (1) customer creditworthiness, (2) customer income. They also require collateral.
Banks have to maintain reserves in their banks accounts at the Federal Reserve on all the loans they make.It is a percentage of the loan, and banks cannot loan out this money. If the bank doesn't have enough reserves in their Fed account, they have to borrow from other banks at the Fed Funds Rate, or overnight interest rate, set by the Fed. (The Fed uses this overnight interest rate to promote or demote bank lending in the economy, among other things.)
If the bank has been making bad loans or is overextended-this goes to your Point 1 about banks being free to issue as much credit money as they like-and other banks know that, the other banks might not loan it any reserves.
In that case, the solvency-suspect bank has to slink to the Fed's Discount Window where they can borrow the required reserves, but the interest rate is punitive, and it usually alerts bank examiners that there's a problem at the bank. So having to go to the Discount Window is not something a bank wants to broadcast.
By law, the Federal Reserve must supply reserves to banks within the federally chartered banking system, or declare the overextended bank insolvent.
A 'check and balance' on a bank loaning out as "as much as they like" is meeting its reserves requirement.

About gold. When you have a gold standard, you're on a fixed exchange rate: X amount of currency for each ounce of gold. That's when fractional reserve banking makes sense because the bank only wants to loan out X amount of money based on the amount of gold in the kitty. It's up to the banker to make intelligent and safe decisions about who he loans to by doing his due diligence.

On a gold standard, he who owns the gold, owns the country. When we got rid of the gold standard, goldminers and gold owners stopped owning this country, including Mr. Rothschild. We fucked him up the ass. Our money is based on the 'full faith and credit of the US federal government' and we issue our own currency. To boot, we are the reserve currency worldwide.

MRW | Jul 18, 2015 7:36:21 PM | 88

The thread didn't take my formatting in @88. Here is the first half presented in a clearer format:
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In response to Tom's @61

  • Loans create deposits. Yes, 'out of thin air'. Bankers can say 'Yay' or 'Nay' based on the cut of your jib, or the color of your skin, although they are not allowed to.
  • Banks don't print money. They issue credit, i.e. 'credit money'. They mark up the customer's bank account with computer keystrokes in the amount of the loan. Banks issue credit money based on two things: (1) customer creditworthiness, (2) customer income. They also require collateral.
  • Banks have to maintain reserves in their banks accounts at the Federal Reserve on all the loans they make.It is a percentage of the loan, and banks cannot loan out this money. If the bank doesn't have enough reserves in their Fed account, they have to borrow from other banks at the Fed Funds Rate, or overnight interest rate, set by the Fed. (The Fed uses this overnight interest rate to promote or demote bank lending in the economy, among other things.)
  • If the bank has been making bad loans or is overextended-this goes to your Point 1 about banks being free to issue as much credit money as they like-and other banks know that, the other banks might not loan it any reserves.
  • In that case, the solvency-suspect bank has to slink to the Fed's Discount Window where they can borrow the required reserves, but the interest rate is punitive, and it usually alerts bank examiners that there's a problem at the bank. So having to go to the Discount Window is not something a bank wants to broadcast.
  • By law, the Federal Reserve must supply reserves to banks within the federally chartered banking system, or declare the overextended bank insolvent.
  • A 'check and balance' on a bank loaning out as "as much as they like" is meeting its reserves requirement.

MRW | Jul 18, 2015 7:41:19 PM | 89

Some reporters are finally beginning to understand what I have been yammering on here over the past 18 months:

Why America Is Not The Next Greece
The key difference is that the United States has its own central bank -- the most powerful one in the world.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/why-america-is-not-the-next-greece_55a814c5e4b04740a3df6b11?

MRW | Jul 18, 2015 7:45:47 PM | 90

[Jul 18, 2015] Little-Known History of the Euro Crisis Was Baked In from the Start

Jul 18, 2015 | Zero Hedge
windcatcher

Communism definition: A political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

Central banksters are not advocating communism. Indeed, the totalitarian fascist financial criminals advocate no publically owned property. They are buying public lands for pennies on the dollar as they enslave the population via representative debt.

The banksters are plundering criminals that want all that is valuable and to hell with the population, there are too many people anyway, let them starve. The criminal fascist central banksters hate any public support of the people. That is not a communist or a socialist and certainly not a democratic concept; it is a totalitarian criminal bankster cartel fascist concept.

Benito Mussolini in his book titled "The Doctrine of Fascism" defined fascist form of government as the merger of corporate monopoly with government. The bankster modern fascist should be branded as fascist, and no other, to distinguish them from representative democracy (government of, for and by the People.

windcatcher

The European Union before the Eurozone, was designed and implemented by the bankster financed and controlled Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission. Goldman Sachs is but one tentacle of the criminal bankster world financial octopus of the New World Order Empire.

Our American Constitution has not been destroyed (same for Greece Constitution); it has been overthrown by bankster fascist (government of, for and by multinational corporate monopoly). The American Constitution and our Bill of Rights, as authored primarily by James Madison and explained in the Federalist Papers, are still intact today.

Our Founding Fathers had to deal with the same problems we are facing today: domination by corporate monopoly over the American economy and obeying foreign laws.

We fought the American Revolution to be free from the corporate monopoly and domination of the American economy by the British Empire.

After we won the war, our Founding Fathers along with economist Adam Smith's "Free Enterprise" economy, the American Constitution was written to guarantee the American People that the government function was for and by the People--- not government of, for and by the criminal corporate monopoly. The Age of Enlightenment of constitutional democratic republics began.

To paraphrase Thomas Jefferson, the Constitution, if not vigilantly guarded against criminal corporate monopoly corruption, the people will have to refreash our Constitution with revolution. Indeed, our nation was founded on revolution in rejection of corporate monopoly and domination by totalitarian criminal banksters.

Enough is enough! Nationalize the banks and requisition them to serve the People to restart our American Free Enterprise economy, throw the fascist totalitarian bankster criminals in prison!

If the criminal banksters were prosecuted for American mortgage fraud back in 2000 the criminals would have been in prison instead of destroying the economies of the world with their fascist totalitarian New World Order Empire.

Radical Marijuana

I did not previously know those historical details presented in the article above, however, those do not surprise me! The European Union and its Euro were projects of the international bankers, within which context almost all of the successful national politicians were the banksters' puppets, voted for by enough of the people who have become the banksters' muppets, while the European politicians, and those that voted for them, became mostly even more so...

The EU and Euro were stepping stones.

Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley:

"powers of financial capitalism
had another far-reaching goal,
nothing less than to create a
world system of financial
control in private hands
able to dominate the
political system of
each country and
the economy of
the world as
a whole ..."

That has already been mostly achieved, to make:

WONDERLAND MATRIX BIZARRO MIRROR WORLD,

where everything appears absurdly backwards!

[Jul 18, 2015] Why is Germany so tough on Greece? Look back 25 years

"...The lesson Schäuble learned – and which is likely to influence his decision-making now – is that if you act the pure-hearted neoliberal you can still get away with decisions that don't make perfect economic sense."
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"...But Schäuble should have learned from history that the Treuhand gamble had catastrophic psychological consequences. Even though the agency was run by Germans, who spoke German, still it was seen by many in the east as an occupying force."
.
"...Schäuble's idea of foreign countries controlling Greek assets and moving them abroad is an even more humiliating concept for any country. Schäuble comes across as a tough and sober accountant. In fact he is just an ordinary politician repeating old mistakes. "
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"...The assault on his life, who forced him to a wheel-chair, made Schaeuble, who always was an arrogant, egocentric, right-wing conservative, a vengeful and bitter arrogant egocentric conservative, who hates everything even remotely socialist."
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"...And the whole Greece thing just shows how idiotic neoliberalism actually is..."
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"...This talk of nation vs nation is a distraction. It's better to follow the money. It quickly becomes clear that those who have profited from Greece joining the Euro are keeping their money and the rest are having to suffer the consequences. Goldman Sacks have made billions as have investors in Europe. Meanwhile the people of Greece, Germany or the broader EU are being told they have been reckless and will have to suffer the consequences."
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"...It's enough to be in the wider neoliberal EU to go under. Being in the eurozone just adds extra pain, waterboarding and rectal feeding. As EU apparatchiks admitted themselves. Maybe the US can now shut down Gitmo by sending the inmates to Greece, where conditions are just as harsh."
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"...Whilst national governments are printing money in gay abandon to bail out their banker backers... Simultaneously fleecing their taxpayers under the the moral pretence of 'Austerity', we have witnessed an unelected cartel eviscerate a sovereign nation. The Greek Balance Sheet of Misery is deep in the red! Apparently, people no longer matter - Politicians and Bankers have a free rein. Greece fell for the EU dream... It was a political sucker to be exploited for the benefit of the Project. Post 2008, it has been treated like dirt. Its neighbours should take note - this Union is a nasty creature."
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"...Many many people these on both sides of the former border are living in a way where 1990 GDR living standards would just about be an upgrade."
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"...The nepotism and clientelism of the ruling class has been a problem since independence from Turkey and successive Greek governments have promised and failed to rectify it but that doesn't excuse humiliating an entire nation and pushing it to the point of economic and civil collapse because 'they deserve to reap what they sow' regardless of the consequences for the entire region with IS just a few hundred kilometres away. This is the worst case of being unable to see the wood for the trees that we have seen since the 'allies' invaded Iraq on the pretext of saving the West from nuclear weapons that did not exist.

The vindictive behaviour towards Greece marshalled by Germany last weekend has lost it a lot of friends and reminded us where its mindset comes from and where it leads to if more civilised nations do not step in to reel it in. Habermas in particular is particularly cognisant of this."

Jul 18, 2015 | The Guardian
Every drama needs a great baddie, and in the latest act of the Greek crisis Wolfgang Schäuble, the 72-year-old German finance minister, has emerged as the standout villain: critics see him as a ruthless technocrat who strong-armed an entire country and now plans to strip it of its assets. One part of the bailout deal in particular has scandalised many Europeans: the proposed creation of a fund designated to cherrypick €50bn (£35bn) worth of Greek public assets and privatise them to pay the country's debts. But the key to understanding Germany's strategy is that for Schäuble there is nothing new about any of this.

It was 25 years ago, during the summer of 1990, that Schäuble led the West German delegation negotiating the terms of the unification with formerly communist East Germany. A doctor of law, he was West Germany's interior minister and one of Chancellor Helmut Kohl's closest advisers, the go-to guy whenever things got tricky.

The situation in the former GDR was not too dissimilar from that in Greece when Syriza swept to power: East Germans had just held their first free elections in history, only months after the Berlin Wall fell, and some of the delegates from East Berlin dreamed of a new political system, a "third way" between the west's market economy and the east's socialist system – while also having no idea how to pay the bills anymore.

The West Germans, on the other side of the table, had the momentum, the money and a plan: everything the state of East Germany owned was to be absorbed by the West German system and then quickly sold to private investors to recoup some of the money East Germany would need in the coming years. In other words: Schäuble and his team wanted collateral.

At that time almost every former communist company, shop or petrol station was owned by the Treuhand, or trust agency – an institution originally thought up by a handful of East German dissidents to stop state-run firms from being sold to West German banks and companies by corrupt communist cadres. The Treuhand's mission: to turn all the big conglomerates, companies and tiny shops into private firms, so they could be part of a market economy.

Schäuble and his team didn't care that the dissidents had planned to hand out shares of companies to the East Germans, issued by the Treuhand – a concept that incidentally led to the rise of the oligarchs in Russia. But they liked the idea of a trust fund because it operated outside the government: while technically overseen by the finance ministry, it was publicly perceived as an independent agency. Even before Germany merged into a single state in October 1990, the Treuhand was firmly in West German hands.

Their aim was to privatise as many companies as possible, as soon as possible – and if you were to ask most Germans about the Treuhand today they would say it achieved that objective. It didn't do so in a way that was popular with the people of East Germany, where the Treuhand quickly became known as the ugly face of capitalism. It did a horrible job in explaining the transformation to shellshocked East Germans who felt overpowered by this strange new agency. To make matters worse, the Treuhand became a hotbed of corruption.

The agency took all the blame for the bleak situation in East Germany. Kohl and Schäuble's party, the conservative CDU, was re-elected for years to come, while others paid the price: one of the Treuhand's presidents, Detlev Karsten Rohwedder, was shot and killed by leftwing terrorists. (Schäuble too became the victim of an attack that left him permanently in a wheelchair, only days after German reunification – but his paranoid attacker's motives were unrelated to the political events)

But the reality of what the Treuhand did is different from the popular perception – and that should be a warning for both Schäuble and the rest of Europe. Selling East Germany's assets for maximum profit turned out to be more difficult than imagined. Almost all assets of real value – the banks, the energy sector – had already been snapped up by West German companies. Within days of the introduction of the West German mark, the economy in the east completely broke down. Like Greece, it required a massive bailout programme organised by Schäuble's government, but in secret: they set aside 100bn marks (£35bn) to keep the old East German economy afloat, a figure that became public only years later.

With prices for labour and supplies going through the roof, the already stressed East Germany economy went into freefall and the Treuhand had no chance to sell many of its businesses. After a couple of months it started to close down entire companies, firing thousands of workers. In the end the Treuhand didn't make any money for the German government at all: it took in a mere €34bn for all the companies in the east combined, losing €105bn.

What the Treuhand did should be a warning for Schäuble and Europe: the economy in East Germany completely broke down

In reality, the Treuhand became not just a tool for privatisation but a quasi-socialist holding company. It lost billions of marks because it went on paying the wages of many workers in the east and kept some unviable factories alive – a positive aspect usually drowned out in the vilifications of the agency. Because Kohl and, during the summer of 1990, Schäuble weren't Chicago economists keen on radical experiments but politicians who wanted to be re-elected, they pumped millions into a failing economy. This is where parallels with Greece end: there were political limits to the austerity a government could impose on its own people.

The lesson Schäuble learned – and which is likely to influence his decision-making now – is that if you act the pure-hearted neoliberal you can still get away with decisions that don't make perfect economic sense. If Schäuble is acting tough with Greece right now, it is because his electorate wants him to act that way; it's not just that he doesn't care about the Greek people, he wants people to believe he doesn't care, because he sees the political advantage in it.

But Schäuble should have learned from history that the Treuhand gamble had catastrophic psychological consequences. Even though the agency was run by Germans, who spoke German, still it was seen by many in the east as an occupying force.

Schäuble's idea of foreign countries controlling Greek assets and moving them abroad is an even more humiliating concept for any country. Schäuble comes across as a tough and sober accountant. In fact he is just an ordinary politician repeating old mistakes.

Related: Greece's debt can be written off –whatever Wolfgang Schäuble says | Philip Inman


DerFremde 18 Jul 2015 07:48

If Schäuble is acting tough with Greece right now, it is because his electorate wants him to act that way;

Yes, after they were programmed to feel that way by the well-orchestrated media campaign that's gone on for 5 years now.

Zabka 18 Jul 2015 07:42

Schäuble is a nasty sociopath and Europe is paying for the fourth time Germany's folly and Imperial ambitions


sacco ThinkingAustralian 18 Jul 2015 07:41

How could the Greek MPs have voted against the package ? The unelected euro institutions deliberately crippled their banking system just prior to the referendum. The unelected euro institutions have had an ongoing police of regime change in Greece. For that alone they need to be abolished.

You appear to be confusing several things. The governance of the Eurozone is largely in the hands of the so-called Eurogroup of EZ finance ministers, and what you describe as the "unelected euro institutions" are, for the most part, as mortified by the situation as you or I but do not have a role in which they can exercise significant control.

Their influence is (one might even say "unfortunately" in the light of events) rather limited. In particular, as regards the ferocious arguments over the release of €7.2bn which have dominated the headlines for the last six months with its endless arbitrary deadlines, the European Commission team of civil servants who provide the secretariat which performs technical work and assessments for the Eurogroup concluded that Greece had satisfied the conditions set for release of the funds, and this outcome was communicated by the "unelected" Commissioner for Economic and Financial Affairs -Pierre Moscovici- at their meeting last December!

The Eurogroup ministers decided, however, (possibly together with the influence of the IMF) that they had other reasons not to release the funds. Why? Many observers concluded that they did so mainly in order to retain a powerful political lever to prevent any incoming Greek government after the elections from taking any decisions of which they, the Eurogroup, might not approve.

it's worth remembering, though, that the weighting of Germany's vote alone is sufficient to impose a blocking veto, and that this is also the group with most political power over the European Central Bank. Although the ECB has some nominal independence, in practice the current conditions are far beyond what can be dealt with using the instruments and policies that it has been given, so it is constantly beholden to its political masters for permission to take necessary action: in these urgent circumstances, a veto is almost as effective as absolute control, as the only actions that can be proposed are those which won't be vetoed.

Fstephens56 Fstephens56 18 Jul 2015 07:28

In the end Treuhand sold out 95% of the Eastern German economy to Westerners, who in turn didn't even have to present a feasible plan (or money to back the investment). It's easy to suppose that anybody who handed over a few bills to the right hands was able to snatch up a bit of value. Usually the Eastern companies "sold" for 1 Mark.

However, Western German "investors" were not really interested in another automobile manufacturer in the East, or another innovative company that produces household goods. They saw these companies a competition and their only interest was in seeing them closed down or reduced to a minor subsidiary.
If you have any doubts about it, just look up the "Foron" scandal. It is a perfect example on how the Eastern German economy was systematically and deliberately ruined by competitors, who wouldn't even shy away from threats and illegal activities to ensure their position.

Only 5% of former GDR companies were sold to Eastern German investors, interested in carrying on. However, since Treuhand favored Western German buyers over Eastern German investors, these 5% were more or less either "left-overs", that nobody else wanted, or rare examples of factories, where the workers managed to buy out their own company and run it themselves after other investors failed to present themselves.

So in short Treuhand failed in all but 1 thing: filling the pockets of their associates. They stole from the poor and used it to bolster the profits of the rich.

But back to Schaeuble! He was Kohl's favored minister by the time and it's save to assume that he was more or less involved in (or at least aware of) the proceedings. Schaeuble is a neo-liberal, law-and-order, right-wing nationalist, who thinks of political office not as a service to the nation, but as a business meant to make money for the one who runs it. (Just listen to some of his former speeches if you have any doubts about that)

The assault on his life, who forced him to a wheel-chair, made Schaeuble, who always was an arrogant, egocentric, right-wing conservative, a vengeful and bitter arrogant egocentric conservative, who hates everything even remotely socialist.

Over the years his speeches as minister for inner affairs grew more and more disturbing. Making it evident, that Schaeuble thought of common people as nothing more than a violent, incompetent mob, that had to be educated and controlled by a superior political cast. (Just listen to one of his later speeches as minister for inner affairs in Merkel's government concerning his thoughts about public opposition against his political ideas.)

Schaeuble was then by believed by many Germans (including some media) to be an overly bitter and possibly dangerous "lunatic", unfit for political office. Upon Merkel's reelection, Schaeuble was then removed from office and instituted as finance minister. Possibly a step to "ship him off" to a position where he could do less harm.

That said: the second thing to know is that the crisis in Greece is nothing by another crisis of the financial sector. Private investors invested money into Greece, that Greece is unable to pay back. Unfortunate - but such are the risks of the stock market, right?

Not quite! Because what actually happened was that Germany (and other European) countries used tax-payer's money to bail-out European banks a second time, by backing up the already defaulted Greek loans with public money.

So the money "given" to Greece is not really helping the Greek people. It is meant to use public money to support private investors and European banks.

And as always: where big money is moving through many hands, those who would like to hold a sum of it, aren't far removed.
As an example, it is said that Schaeuble talked about an "investment plan" that would see a substantial sum put in an institution run by one of his relatives.

A "mere coincidence" of course, but one that explains more precisely what is going on than the article above. It's all about clever ways to turn public money into private money, while keeping public eyes and public discussion fixed on "hard but necessary" austerity measures. Measures that were never meant to help Greece, let alone end the crisis! All of this maneuvering is just meant to help the private investors and keep them from losing money.
Investors, that were never interested in a strong Greek economy. But only in an opportunity to snatch up some valuable pieces of Greek property for a bargain and either gut and sell them for a short-term profit, or to rid themselves of possible competition.

So in the end, the only relevance the historical context has at this point is one that we have already known and is true for ANY historical context: people are doing gruesome thing for personal gain and few ever care about the consequences their actions impose unto other people.

Fstephens56 18 Jul 2015 07:27

The article couldn't be any more dead wrong, if it told us that Schaeuble did it because he was a reptilian overlord from another dimension.

First thing to know about him: he was close friends with former chancellor Kohl and his minister for inner affairs. Now Kohl is a man as corrupt as they come. Kohl had close ties to the media via his dear friend Leo Kirch (a media-mogul) and various companies. And if you doubt that Kohl ran his office like a business: the GDR secret service had surveillance tapes of Kohl accepting bribes. I say "had" because Kohl used the power of his office to see them destroyed.

After which he made it a habit of using his money and influence to sue people who dared to openly oppose his version of the truth. A habit that he hasn't given up until today: he recently sued a ghost-writer, that he fired over "differences of opinion" for publishing some of the less favorable things he had learned during his interviews with the former chancellor.

Schaeuble and Kohl were then involved in the "Leuna" affair. Where several French officials, Kohl as the then-chancellor of Germany and probably some of his ministers where allegedly taking bribes for one of the most obvious heists ever! The most grotesque scandal yet in German history.

"Leuna" was the name of a former GDR chemistry empire worth billions and billions of pounds and the beating heart of the Eastern German economy. High-quality plastics, artificial fabrics and pharmaceutical products were amongst the key export products and fed a whole region bigger than Wales.

Kohl used the power of his office to personally take control over the "Leuna" asset, snatching it away from under the nose of Treuhand. And gifted it to French company Total for the symbolic price of 1 Mark (about a quarter of a British Pound).

With this "deal" French "Total" took sole control of ALL gas-stations throughout Eastern Germany, THE ONLY petrol refinery in Eastern German able to produce gasoline, a long-running fixed-price deal with Russia for deliverance of finest Siberian oil reserves paid in Ruble at a bargain price, control over SEVERAL PIPELINES was included for free, and ALL of the chemistry production of Eastern Germany combined in an industrial complex the size of the City of London complete with its own railroad system, able to produce plastics and high-quality pharmaceutical products 24/7.

And like this wasn't enough, the Kohl-Schaeuble-duo than "gifted" Millions of German tax-payers money to the company. Because it was quite obvious that Total got more out of that heist than they could possibly chew.

This "Leuna" heist affected roughly 500.000 workers in Eastern Germany. It cost the job of tens of thousands of people. The result of which were angry protests against Kohl and people throwing eggs and foul vegetables at the man, as he later visited the region.

However, this is not even the end of it. The article states that the banks had already been sold before the Treuhand came to be, but fails to mention "how" exactly that happened. It was Kohl himself who oversaw the process and gave them away on a bargain due to a little "accounting error" that "miscalculated" the value of these banks much to the advantage of the buyers. With this deal Kohl effectively gifting billions to Western German banks, circumventing any public control of what is happening.

Meanwhile the Treuhand had some shady dealings of its own. The article mentions that one of the heads of "Treuhand" was assassinated. What the article fails to mention however is, that the man killed was believed to be the first (and only) ever not to be part of a government-friendly group of individual and he was killed right BEFORE he to get a good look at the books. He was quickly replaced by another, more agreeable individual.

In other words: the reunification was a mess and a huge scandal, where most people involved were doing their very best to siphon as much money and personal gain out of the process as possible, before proper order could be established.

The price for this corruption was paid by those, unable to fight back:

  • - pensioners were denied money from their private pension plans (a result of the bank-deal)
  • - millions of people lost their jobs
  • - nearly all small businesses went bankrupt, breaking the back of what remained of Eastern German economy
  • - highly educated and young people fled the country in hundreds of thousands, leaving behind ghost cities (some cities like Halle-Neustadt lost up to half of their population)
  • - real-estate values plummeted, leaving people with nothing

ItsAnOutrage2 cpp4ever 18 Jul 2015 07:02

...the creditors should have done their due diligence better and never lent to Greece in the first place, and at some point they will have to accept some lose.

They have already accepted a loss of over €100billion. The argument over further lending to Greece is, in essence, about paying Greece not to devalue the Euro and damage the political and economic structure of the EU. Some people think it's worth the hit, and others think we should let Greece go. I am in the latter camp; I've nothing against the Greeks, but their government is only interested in getting re-elected. Greece is toast in either event, so let them start rebuilding sooner rather than later.

AndrewDavidBoyle Paidenoughalready 18 Jul 2015 06:52

'Other peoples money?!' The crisis was manfactured from 2008 by banks and institutions. This video is the confession of an economic hitman. It shows how financial crisis are manufactured. It was his job.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XWuAct1BxHU

tichchurch t1m0thy1 18 Jul 2015 06:51

The bankers don't just have a lot to answer for, they have it ALL to answer for. This is ALL their mess. Their corruption,and their greed. They should be the ones to pay, not the innocent citizens of Greece who, on top of suffering the high unemployment and hardships imposed on them by austerity, are also having to put up with the unfair accusations, insults and vilification, that the wrongly informed general public from the rest of the EU is directing at them.

AndrewDavidBoyle 18 Jul 2015 06:36

The Investment For Greece Fund

KFW is led by a six-member Managing Board headed by Ulrich Schröder, which in turn reports to a 37-member Supervisory Board. The chair of the Supervisory Board changes annually between the German Federal Ministers of Finance and Economic Affairs; the chairman for 2015 is Wolfgang Schäuble.
The KfW will contribute financially to the fund and provide it with technical assistance. Whatever that means.

The Investment For Greece fund was a bilateral agreement between KMF and the Greek government. Interesting that Tsipras was keen to avoid this fund and instead create another one!

Up to €50bn (£35bn) worth of Greek assets will be transferred to a new fund, which will contribute to the recapitalisation of the country's banks. The fund will be based in Athens, not Luxembourg as Germany had originally demanded.

The location of the fund was a key sticking point in the marathon overnight talks. Transferring the assets out of Greece would have meant "liquidity asphyxiation", Tsipras said.

We will see what happens here...

johnbig SenseCir 18 Jul 2015 06:29

Very interesting article giving information not generally known, at least by me.

However the lesson I take from this is that the reunification of Germany on a 1 D mark for 1 Ost mark basis was a political decision of the highest order probably made by Kohl himself. The economics then had just to follow as best possible without negating or modifying the main decision. Schauble was obliged to follow Kohl's policy decision

In Greece it seems to be the economics leads all other considerations and the political aim of helping back to its feet a small economy and thus keeping a healthy European Union takes a back seat. Unless the political decision being applied is to do anti-Keynes economics for all always. Markel is obliged to follow Schauble"s policy.

EcoNasty huzar30 18 Jul 2015 05:26

If they were stupid and greedy enough to throw money at me if I'm a high risk then they shouldnt be surprised when I don't pay them back...

After all, we wouldn't have had the crash would we if it hadn't been for stupid greedy moneymen making crap decisions ??

And the whole Greece thing just shows how idiotic neoliberalism actually is...

I mean, I actually think Tsipras is playing a blinder. He knows that Greece may have been pushed into a corner I'm the short term, but in the long game Greece has Merkel et al over a barrel ..they can't (despite the tub thumping last week) allow Greece to leave because the disastrous impact this would have on the EZ and wider global economy and they'd have to write down hundreds of billions - yet their austerity measures will make it far less likely that Greece can meet its next payment deadline meaning they'll be back here again in a few months ...

...of course there's no more room for more restructuring or austerity after this bailout so they're stuffed essentially...either they let Greece leave with the huge risks that poses or they have to lose face and write down Greece's debts.

Tsipras ..the man who broke neoliberalism. He'll get statues erected ;

Peter Gentoo 18 Jul 2015 05:25

Why the British Empire ruined the world part II:

Scramble of Africa:

During the final twenty years of the nineenth century, Britain occupied or annexed territories which accounted for more than thirty-two percent of Africa's population, making the British the most dominant Europeans on the continent.By 1965, Britain had lost its stranglehold on the continent-but the consequences of imperialism were immense. Firstly, the settler states of Kenya, Rhodesia, and South Africa saw many episodes of violence before African nationalists could forge a return to stability, after the departure of the colonial governments. Corrupt African "strongmen," or dictators, often gained power-despite ignoring the social needs of the people. Economic dependence on the West, coupled with political corruption, crippled attempts to diversify.Even today, Africa is the least developed region in the world, with poverty and malnutrition running rampant. The idea that Europeans wanted to "civilize" Africa was an utter lie, and a means to justify the exploitation of the continent.

Palestine:

After defeating the Ottoman Empire in World War One, Great Britain did not liberate their Arab allies but instead colonized them. The British received Palestine, Jordan, and Iraq. After centuries of anti-Semitism, many Jews began migrating to their original homeland of Palestine (ancient Judaea), and after the War, these migrations greatly increased. Many British officials, some of whom were also anti-Semitic, wanted to establish a Jewish homeland in the Middle East in order to kick the Jews out of Europe altogether.The British announced in 1947 their intention to withdraw from Palestine in 1948. On November 1947 the United Nations General Assembly passed a plan to partition Palestine into two separate states-one Arab, and one Jewish. The Jews accepted, but the Arabs rejected the partition. The British officially left on May 14, 1948, without providing a resolution to the situation; that same day the Jews proclaimed the state of Israel. Arab countries immediately attacked the new Jewish state, but the Israelis drove off the invaders and conquered more territory. Roughly nine hundred thousand Arab refugees fled-or were expelled from-old Palestine.This war left an enormous legacy of Arab bitterness towards Israel and its political allies, Great Britain and the United States. The Arab-Palestinian conflict has provided a deep divide between East and West, and between Christianity and Judaism on the one hand and Islam on the other hand. The modern "War on Terror" stems from the American and Western support of Israel. In addition, Israel has been accused of atrocities ranging from bulldozing Palestinian homes, to acts of terror committed by Mossad, the Israeli CIA

Partition of India:

After two centuries of colonialism in India, the British Labour government agreed to a speedy independence of India after 1945. But conflict between Hindu and Muslim nationalists led to murderous clashes between the two communities in 1946. When it became clear that the Muslim League would accept nothing less than an independent Pakistan, India's last viceroy, Lord Louis Mountbatten, proposed partition. Both sides accepted, and at the "stroke of midnight" on August 14, 1947, one fifth of humanity gained political independence.Yet independence through partition brought tragedy. In the weeks afterwards, communal strife exploded into an orgy of massacres and mass expulsions. Hundreds of thousands of Hindus and Muslims were slaughtered, and an estimated five million made refugees. Indian Congress Party leaders were completely powerless to stop the violence. "What is there to celebrate?" exclaimed Gandhi in reference to the much-sought independence; "I see nothing but rivers of blood." In January 1948, Gandhi himself was gunned down by a Hindu fanatic who believed that he was too lenient on Muslims.After the ordeal of independence, relations between India and Pakistan remain tense to this day. Fighting over the disputed area of Kashmir continued until 1949, and broke out again in 1965-1966, 1971, and 1999. What makes the Indo-Pakistani conflict even more dangerous is that both sides contain nuclear weapons. With the possibility that Pakistan might become a failed state, there is a good chance of a major genocide erupting in the twenty-first century.

Peter Gentoo 18 Jul 2015 05:23

Why the British Empire ruined the world:

Apartheid:

Apartheid was a system of racial segregation enforced through legislation by the National Party governments, the ruling party in South Africa from 1948 to 1994. The rights of the nation's black majority were curtailed, and white supremacy and Afrikaner-minority rule was maintained. After one hundred years of wars, and having gained complete political control, the British made a decision that doomed many South Africans. They gave Boer republics the green light to disenfranchise all non-whites. The apartheid system was entrenched in the Union constitution, which was drawn and approved by the British government. In 1913, the Native Land Act was brought into force; it pushed black people off the land on which they were either owners or tenants, and relocated them to shantytowns in the cities.

Irish Potato Famine:

During the summer of 1845, a "blight of unusual character" devastated Ireland's potato crop-the staple of the Irish diet. A few days after potatoes were dug up from the ground, they began to rot. Over the next ten years more than 750,000 Irish died from the ensuing famine, and another two million left their homeland for Great Britain, Canada and the United States. Within five years, the Irish population was reduced by a quarter.

Invention of the machine gun:

In 1879, the Gardner Machine Gun was demonstrated for the first time. It could fire ten thousand rounds in twenty-seven minutes, and its accuracy was superior to that of the Gatling gun. This impressed military leaders from Britain, and the following year the British Army purchased the gun.In 1881, the American inventor Hiram Maxim visited the Paris Electrical Exhibition. While he was at the exhibition a man he met told him "if you wanted to make a lot of money, invent something that will enable the Europeans to cut each other's throats with greater facility." Maxim decided to move to London, and began working on a more effective machine-gun. The British Army adopted the Maxim Machine Gun in 1889. The following year, Austria, Germany, Italy, and Russia also purchased the gun, causing an arms race on the European continent. The machine gun would haunt the British during the Battle of the Somme, when the British suffered 60,000 casualties on the first day. Since its introduction, the machine gun has caused countless fatalities across the world, and has allowed for more people to be killed within a shorter time span.

Atlantic slave trade:

The British did not start the slave trade or even import the most slaves (both of these dubious distinctions belong to the Portuguese). In the beginning, British traders merely supplied slaves for the Spanish and the Portuguese colonies; but eventually, British slave traders began supplying slaves to the new English colonies in North America. The first record of enslaved Africans landing in British North America occurred in 1619, in the colony of Virginia.In the 1660s, the number of slaves taken from Africa in British ships averaged 6,700 per year. By the 1760s, Britain was the foremost European country engaged in the slave trade, owning more than fifty percent of the Africans transported from Africa to the Americas. The British involvement in the slave trade lasted from 1562 to until the abolishment of slavery in 180-a period of 245 years. History Professor David Richardson has calculated that British ships carried more than 3.4 million enslaved Africans to the Americas during this time. In addition to being a major player in the slave trade, the British supported the pro-slavery Confederates during the Civil War. The British needed cotton to fuel their machines; this caused the demand for cotton to skyrocket, which in turn demanded slave labor. If the Confederates had won at the battle of Antietam, the British would have given full support to the rebels, and may even have tipped the Civil War in favor of the Confederates. And although Great Britain was one of the first nations to abolish slavery, they quickly made up for the loss of human labor by extracting Africa's raw materials and resources.

DeeDee99 18 Jul 2015 05:18

"Look at what he inflicted on his own country."

Yes. HIS OWN COUNTRY.

Now he's doing it to another country: and both he, the President of the other country, the IMF and the ECB all know it isn't going to work.

So he is destroying another country for what ........... ? So the EU can continue to build an anti-democratic and increasingly dictatorial United States of Europe where national democracies are irrelevant (unless they happen to be Germany).

ZankFrappa 18 Jul 2015 05:12

This talk of nation vs nation is a distraction. It's better to follow the money. It quickly becomes clear that those who have profited from Greece joining the Euro are keeping their money and the rest are having to suffer the consequences. Goldman Sacks have made billions as have investors in Europe. Meanwhile the people of Greece, Germany or the broader EU are being told they have been reckless and will have to suffer the consequences.

anita66 18 Jul 2015 05:05

Maybe worth noting, that Schäuble's readon to make Greece fail is also related to the vast oil resources in the Aegean sea. And his generally corrupt manner. In the past he accepted bribes and bribed for weapon deals and other operations. and thats who most deals in Greece were agreed.

bloomday Budanevey 18 Jul 2015 05:03

Greece's economic performance from the mid-90's to the beginning of 2010 was better than the EU average (3.9% vs 2.4%). Once the European financial crisis began to make itself felt in Greece, in 2010, they followed the Troika's austerity instructions to the letter, slashing expenditures and increasing taxes. A 25% decline in GDP and 25% unemployment, with youth unemployment twice that was the result. This economic downturn happened because they followed and implemented creditor demands for austerity, measures that are now seen not to work for Greece. What is more, It is a fiction that all the bailout money loaned to Greece is at it's disposal to use as it pleases, most has been recycled back to the creditors in loan repayments - Joseph Stiglitz estimates that 90% of the money loaned Greece has been paid straight back to the Creditors, leaving Greece with insufficient sums to invest to create growth. Austerity is an anti-growth economic policy and the sooner the leadership of the German CDU wake up to the fact the better it will be for the Eurozone.

lundberg 18 Jul 2015 04:53

The link between the early 1990's and now (2008 till forever?) is that Germany and Schäuble caused all-European recessions. The 1990's recession was very bad in for example Sweden and Finland. One reason for this German behaviour is a myth that inflation (as of 1923) is the only thing to be avoided. Others have noted that other bad things have happened in Germany even after 1923. Tight Money, high interest rates is the perpetual formula, though exactly that brought Hitler into power.

The reunification was performed in a stupid way (1 West Mark= 1 East Mark, overnight, when market value was 7:1 or so). This stupidity was repeated, and worse, with the Maastrich treaty in 1992. All Europe had to pay for it, which led to a first wave of rightwing populism rather than European unity. We are now living through the second wave.

Germany was eventually essentially reunited, though it took much longer time and inflicted a lot more pain than was necessary, in Germany and abroad.
Europe remains broken, because you cannot have a single currency without a single government. This has been known all along, though the smart-alecs in Brussels, Berlin and Paris thought that they would solve that problem by stepwise federalization. Not likely.

bootayjam grumpyoldman 18 Jul 2015 04:34

Well said. I find it amazing that the Guardian is only now waking up to the fact that maybe, just maybe, the EU is bought and paid for and part of the global corporate banking system that has a stranglehold on us all.

Look at the IMF, which acts as a member of the Troika.
But it has has no elected position, and cannot be removed from power.
The second unelected member is Mario Draghi of the ECB. The same Mario Draghi who worked for Goldman Sachs and helped Greece hide it's true debt in order to join the Euro. How do you get rid of him? And more importantly, how did he get the job?
And finally, the head of Europe, Juncker, is also unelected by the people. And he was responsible for introducing corporate tax dodging in Luxembourg when he was PM there.

The entire government design is totally un-Democratic and therein lies the crisis, but not just in the EU, but across the world. Can you vote out the IMF or World Bank?

But in terms of the EU, not a single member of the Troika ever needs to worry about polls since they do not have to worry about elections.

This is authoritarian government if we have ever seen one, and Tony Benn's 5 awkward questions to ask those in power seem more relevant every day.

laSaya TomHalpin 18 Jul 2015 04:32

Reparations and exploitation
Further information: German reparations for World War II
Contrary to common myth, the US did in fact take "reparations"; parts of it by John Gimbel called "plunder and exploitation", directly from Germany. The US for instance took an 8.9% share of dismantled Western German industry.
The Allies also confiscated large amounts of German intellectual property (patents and copyrights, but also trademarks). Beginning immediately after the German surrender and continuing for the next two years the US pursued a vigorous program to harvest all technological and scientific know-how as well as all patents in Germany. John Gimbel comes to the conclusion, in his book "Science Technology and Reparations: Exploitation and Plunder in Postwar Germany", that the "intellectual reparations" taken by the US (and the UK) amounted to close to $10 billion. The US competitors of German firms were encouraged by the occupation authorities to access all records and facilities. l Law No. 25) for fear of the research directly profiting their competitors.
The patents, drawings and physical equipment taken in Germany included such items (or drawings for) as electron microscopes, cosmetics, textile machinery, tape recorders, insecticides, ... and other technologies - almost all of which were either new to American industry or 'far superior' to anything in use in the United States."
The British took commercial secrets too, by abducting German scientists and technicians, or simply by interning German businessmen if they refused to reveal trade secrets.
Konrad Adenauer stated: "According to a statement made by an American expert, the patents formerly belonging to IG Farben have given the American chemical industry a lead of at least 10 years.
In JCS 1067 there were provisions allowing German scientists be detained for intelligence purposes as required. Although the original focus on the exploitation was towards military means, much of the information collected by FIAT was quickly adapted commercially to the degree that the office of the Assistant Secretary of State for Occupied Areas requested that the peace treaty with Germany be redacted to protect US industry from lawsuits.
The US made no attempt to evaluate the value of what was taken from Germany, and in the contracts that led to sovereignty for West Germany in 1955 the West Germans had to formally renounce all claims to possible compensation for all types of assets taken, including scientific and technical know-how.
The property taken in Germany was without regard to the rules of the Hague Convention, which prohibits the seizure of enemy private property "unless it is susceptible of direct military use",

German reparations for World War II

Division of Germany as of the Potsdam Conference.

After World War II, both West Germany and East Germany were obliged to pay war reparations to the Allied governments, according to the Potsdam Conference. Other Axis nations were obliged to pay war reparations according to the Paris Peace Treaties of 1947.

Contents
1 Early propositions
2 Recipients
2.1 Greece
2.2 Israel
2.3 The Netherlands
2.4 Poland
2.5 Yugoslavia
2.6 Soviet Union
3 Other forms of payment
3.1 Annexation of territories
3.2 Dismantling of industries
3.3 Intellectual property
3.4 Forced labour
4 See also
5 References

Other forms of payment
According to the Yalta Conference, no reparations to Allied countries would be paid in money. Instead, much of this value consisted of German industrial assets, as well as forced labour.

Annexation of territories
Poland and the Soviet Union annexed the German territories east of the Oder-Neisse, leading to the expulsion of 12 million Germans. These territories were incorporated into Poland and the Soviet Union respectively and resettled with citizens of these countries.
France controlled the Saar protectorate from 1947 to 1956, with the intention of using its coal deposits and possibly annexing the region to France permanently. The same mines had been under French control from the end of the First World War until 1935. Following the results of a plebiscite, France had to relinquish its control of the Saar region on January 1, 1957, however it continued to extract coal from the area's mines until 1981.

Dismantling of industries
Further information: Allied plans for German industry after World War II
At the beginning of the occupation, the Allies started dismantling the remnants of German industries. Later abandoned this plan in favour to the Marshall Plan.

Intellectual property
The Allies confiscated significant values of German patents, copyrights and trademarks.

Forced labour
See German prisoners of war in the Soviet Union, Forced labour of Germans in the Soviet Union and Forced labour of Germans after World War II.
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Never led the facts get into the way of prejudice.

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romantotale17 ID0958318 18 Jul 2015 04:28

With a Gini coefficient of 0.78, Germany has a high degree of wealth inequality compared to other countries and there is still a wide gap between western and eastern Germany, almost 25 years after unification. In 2012, the average net worth of eastern Germans was less than half that of western Germans.

Sounds like the country is well run, then. According to current definitions of a successful society: ie benefiting the wealthy, ability of the wealthy to conceal their gains, increasing inequality...

wilk 18 Jul 2015 04:20

Before reunification West Germany had a growth rate of aboaut 3.6%. and East Germany full employment . After - Schauble Germany managed to reach 2.2% the other year - the highest since reunification; eastern Germany has an double the unemployment rate of the west - over 10%. Workers rights in Germany have been decimated with most of those in work on zero- hour contracts or temporary work and the rich states are refusing to put more money into the failing eastern ones.
Like most of us the German people like to have a "Greece" so that we can feel well off and that our governments and big business are working for us - so the Merkels' and Schaubles' keep in power

phil49 -> probitase 18 Jul 2015 04:13

Rather simplistic. North America achieved its independence well before most Latin American countries and before rapacious 19th century capitalism had developed. By the time the Latin American countries achieved independence, European (mainly British) companies were ready to step in and siphon off vast amounts of the wealth generated, unlike in the United States, where most of the wealth was home-owned and reinvested, before the US was ready to take over from the European imperialists and do as they had done.

someoneionceknew -> Mister_T 18 Jul 2015 04:12

Cool story, bro. But completely untrue. Germany is being run for the benefit of its corporations and its banks i.e. neoliberal fundamentalism.

It's 'success' is arguable. Its future looks bleak.

laSaya smiley08 18 Jul 2015 03:46

When people bang on about what W. Germany got in Marshall plan aid after WWII they never look at the facts.
Read on.

The largest recipient of Marshall Plan money was the United Kingdom (receiving about 26% of the total), followed by France (18%) and West Germany (11%). Some 18 European countries received Plan benefits.

Criticism of the Marshall Plan became prominent among historians of the revisionist school, such as Walter LaFeber, during the 1960s and 1970s. They argued that the plan was American economic imperialism, and that it was an attempt to gain control over Western Europe just as the Soviets controlled Eastern Europe.

Henry Hazlitt criticized the Marshall Plan in his 1947 book Will Dollars Save the World?, arguing that economic recovery comes through savings, capital accumulation and private enterprise, and not through large cash subsidies. Ludwig von Mises criticized the Marshall Plan in 1951, believing that "the American subsidies make it possible for [Europe's] governments to conceal partially the disastrous effects of the various socialist measures they have adopted"

Hard luck story

We all know the easy British explanation for our cumulative export defeat in world markets from the 1950s onwards, especially at the hands of the Germans. This story tells us that lucky West Germany had all her industries and infrastructure bombed flat or removed as reparations, and then was able to re-equip herself from scratch with Marshall Aid dollars. Meanwhile, so this hard-luck story goes on, poor old Britain had to struggle on with worn-out and old-fashioned kit.

Britain actually received more than a third more Marshall Aid than West Germany ...

This is utter myth. Britain actually received more than a third more Marshall Aid than West Germany - $2.7 billion as against $1.7 billion. She in fact pocketed the largest share of any European nation. The truth is that the post-war Labour Government, advised by its resident economic pundits, freely chose not to make industrial modernisation the central theme in her use of Marshall Aid.

Successive governments squandered billions of Marshall Plan Aid to support British world power pretensions, and so jeopardised the economic future of Britain.

The sad irony is that it had been in vain that the Labour Government had sacrificed the modernisation of Britain as an industrial country for the sake of using Marshall Aid to support a world power role - strategic and financial.

What a monumental waste of a great and unrepeatable opportunity.

Refer http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/modern/marshall_01.shtml
The Wasting of Britain's Marshall Aid
By Correlli Barnett
Last updated 2011-03-03

As for the 1953 debt agreement, read on.

Germany, which up until the 1953 Debt agreement had to work on the assumption that all the Marshall plan aid was to be repaid, spent its funds very carefully. Payment for Marshall plan goods, "counterpart funds", were administered by the Reconstruction Credit Institute, which used the funds for loans inside Germany. In the 1953 Debt agreement the amount of Marshall plan aid that Germany was to repay was reduced to less than 1 billion USD.[85] This made the proportion of loans versus grants to Germany similar to that of France and the UK.[84] The final German loan repayment was made in 1971.

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Arguing that economic recovery comes through savings, capital accumulation and private enterprise, and not through large cash subsidies.

Greece please take note of this advice from Henry Hazlitt .

For those that claim that the 193 debt agreement was so instrumental in German economic recovery because it was " generous " read the above and think again.

Further lets look at what the aid was intended to be used for.
The Marshall Plan aid was mostly used for the purchase of goods from the United States.

Oh, such generosity.

NickFletcher19 18 Jul 2015 03:35

Can people please do referring to him and his ilk as "technocrats". These people aren't experts in economics, business, management, if anything other than politics.

diotima1 18 Jul 2015 03:33

It's nauseating that such proposals, disguised as "rational" are taken seriously by EU and set the agenda for finding a solution to the Greek tragedy. In this the Greek goverment is also to blame. Advised by flamboyant Varoufakis , who failed to table any serious proposal for the past five months, it wasted all credibility and played into the hands of Shauble and US think tanks ready to experiment with demise of euro at the expense of Greek people.


Thomas W. Gallant 18 Jul 2015 03:07

A full understanding of the relationship between Greece and Germany requires a longer-term historical perspective. See th following article (in English) from the Greek magazine 'Chronos.' http://chronosmag.eu/index.php/tw-gallant-greece-and-germany-the-last-tango.html


DefeatedParty benjaoming 18 Jul 2015 02:31

They may have an Onassis or two, but that certainly doesn't make them prosper that much. Had they built those ships you might have a point. We are talking heavy industry here and since tourism is hardly the high point of any really successful economy, your reply is just a lot of useless left-wing hot air. The idea that the whole economy even the size of the small Greek economy was somehow reduced to its present malaise by a few tax dodges is another simplistic answer to the troubles affecting Greece. Your answer is in effect a few scattered breadcrumbs which had no other effect than to make you look completely silly and irrelevant.

angiefay 18 Jul 2015 00:38

Schäuble and Merkel have split Europe. They are trying to force their ORDER on everyone.

Against them we have France, who, however naïvely, believes more in JUSTICE. Nothing about the New German Order is just, only about profit and control. The situation in Greece has exposed how much they are trying to take control of Europe though the banks.

Instead of trying to help Greece set up systems such as a Land Registry, local Tax Offices free from corruption etc, which would provide a more just tax system, they want to sell off/buy up any remaining assets the country has.


hfakos Ben McCarty 17 Jul 2015 20:00

So what are you proposing, exterminating the native cultures in Europe to create a new coherent one? I didn't say the U.S. reaching its current stage was a rosy process, but it's a fact they now have a coherent enough culture mostly speaking the same language. We cannot reach this stage in Europe, because civilization has advanced enough not to tolerate the forced engineering of a new culture from already thriving and existing ones. So, there always be very serious constraints on the cohesion of Europe. You just have to live with that.


seaspan Steve Sage 17 Jul 2015 19:42

The social/private structure of Greece is typically European, that isnt the problem. The problem started with euro integration, and the negative balance of trade in the private economy unable to devalue local currency, stimulate Exports, investment in local industry, etc. Imports vastly exceeded Exports, so the Govt floated bonds to buy back the difference (ballooning deficits), But also Pools of euro money in foreign banks recycled back to Greece as easy loans, which increased Imports accentuating the difference to Exports -- a downward spiral, and ever increasing govt debt. This structural flaw hasnt been addressed at all...


eastofthewall BeatonTheDonis 17 Jul 2015 19:35

That was the biggest surprise in this saga. That even the yanks had more sense than to pathologically stick to austerity. They had a stimulus program. When the U.S. is less cruel than you, it's time for self-reflection.

Have you been to America lately? Visit Baltimore for me, will you! After the dotcom bubble burst the U.S. had a stimulus program which helped building up the even bigger housing bubble. That is why we now live in the age of "The Second Great Depression". Do you really think another stimulus bubble will help you out of this mess?

be_kul 17 Jul 2015 19:25

Sorry, the parallels go far beyond that:

(1) Schäuble wants the new "Greek Treuhand" to be a part of the ESM. In the ESM – in case the author forgot about that – every person MUST and CAN NOT be put on juridical trial for his/her deeds. The same was true for the Treuhand in East Germany.

(2) Schäuble wants the new "Greek Treuhand" to be managed 'inside' the ESM by a little German bank which is part of the German governmental KfW – which is headed by Schäuble (and his minions).

(3) But the best is yet to come: While the new Greek Treuhand will be modelled after the East German Treuhand, the latter itself was modelled after another "Treuhand" in German history: That one which was established to plunder the "Generalgouvernement" i.e.: the occupied Poland under Hitler. It had the same legal structure as the East German Treuhand … and even the name was the same.

So, there you have it: Schäuble does not even try to hide that his plans for Greece are those of an occupier – he can just simply count on (the vast majority of) people who don't know history.

By the way: Did anyone mention that Greece in 1953 joined the creditors of Germany when they were cutting down Germany's depth from WW II by 60% and re-structured the rest so that Germany could come out of its own hell with the "Wirtschaftswunder" (economic wonder – which was not a wonder at all!)? And did anyone mention the credit Hitler's Germany stole from Greece during WW II and never paid back (except a very small part of it)?

If anyone now thinks that I would "pull a godwin" now … sorry, I won't.

Because I guess anyone can draw his/her own historical parallels and consequences in viewing Schäuble correctly.

Phil Porter Dritan Nikolla 17 Jul 2015 18:54

I'm just trying to change myself and become the heartless, soulless and cultureless husk the EU and it's citizens seemingly now aspire to.
The Euro symbol will become the new crucifix!


hfakos 17 Jul 2015 18:34

It's enough to be in the wider neoliberal EU to go under. Being in the eurozone just adds extra pain, waterboarding and rectal feeding. As EU apparatchiks admitted themselves. Maybe the US can now shut down Gitmo by sending the inmates to Greece, where conditions are just as harsh.


someoneionceknew 17 Jul 2015 18:28

If Schäuble is acting tough with Greece right now, it is because his electorate wants him to act that way; it's not just that he doesn't care about the Greek people, he wants people to believe he doesn't care, because he sees the political advantage in it.

That's possibly the most disturbing aspect of the analysis.


monzer7 17 Jul 2015 18:19

Whilst national governments are printing money in gay abandon to bail out their banker backers... Simultaneously fleecing their taxpayers under the the moral pretence of 'Austerity', we have witnessed an unelected cartel eviscerate a sovereign nation.

The Greek Balance Sheet of Misery is deep in the red!

Apparently, people no longer matter - Politicians and Bankers have a free rein.

Greece fell for the EU dream... It was a political sucker to be exploited for the benefit of the Project.

Post 2008, it has been treated like dirt. Its neighbours should take note - this Union is a nasty creature.


girlmostlikely sailorjeff 17 Jul 2015 18:15

It's also why German's are skeptical of transfer unions. They were promised by Kohl and Schäuble and Waigel, that Eastern Germany would just bloom and it would magically catch up to Western living standards on it's own merits. Those were Germans after all. None of that happened, the catching up has been the other way round. Many many people these on both sides of the former border are living in a way where 1990 GDR living standards would just about be an upgrade.


erpiu 17 Jul 2015 18:15

schäuble and his bunch of rightwing political hacks who pass as eurozone finance ministers are know-nothing frauds or if you prefer, fantasists --as p.krugman calls them.

schäuble himself is an opportunist par excellence, a now-aparatchick/political hack formerly a small-time lawyer with several one-week courses in "economics explained to homemakers" and a dissertation on "public accountants" as special qualifications for his current position as "supreme social-dumping master of western europe"('s rentier-subjugated economies) with distant adolfian resonances.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Sch%C3%A4uble
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Schäuble studied law and economics at the University of Freiburg and the University of Hamburg, which he completed in 1966 and 1970 by passing the First and Second State Examinations respectively, becoming a fully qualified lawyer.

In 1971 Schäuble obtained his doctorate in law, with a dissertation called "The public accountant's professional legal situation within accountancy firms".
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Sch%C3%A4uble


kcfussball -> DT48 17 Jul 2015 18:13

Agreed, it seems to be part of the neo - con agenda to create divides amongst ordinary people. I wonder what they are scared of.

hfakos -> Phil Porter 17 Jul 2015 17:53

It's the liberal "intellectuals" we. They know better what's good for you. In Eastern Europe they were called Bolsheviks.

Pharaoh9 MartinLunnon 17 Jul 2015 17:46

In the German mind the problem is always with you, never with the bank.

monzer7 17 Jul 2015 17:44

I admire Germany for the way in which it has rebuilt its country. Their products demonstrate an envious capability. Every German I have ever met has been easy going, and friendly - nice people.

Their politicians stink!

This rape of Greece was unnecessary... It portrays an unassailable bully humiliating a people.

The image has been tarnished. My admiration diluted.


monzer7 17 Jul 2015 17:44

I admire Germany for the way in which it has rebuilt its country. Their products demonstrate an envious capability. Every German I have ever met has been easy going, and friendly - nice people.

Their politicians stink!

This rape of Greece was unnecessary... It portrays an unassailable bully humiliating a people.

The image has been tarnished. My admiration diluted.


MartinLunnon RationalPlan 17 Jul 2015 17:34

This is clearly a relevant point. Perhaps it's been made by many previous BTL commentators, but I'm surprised that it wasn't brought out in the article.
The parallels with the situation in Greece are many: both East Germany then and Greece now are experiencing the pains of a fixed exchange rate with the strong (West) German economy. In both cases the fixed exchange rate (and thus strong currency while the fix holds) favours savers over borrowers - I suspect that many Germans instinctively believe this to be necessary ever since the inflation if the 1920s and 30s.

In Greece now the borrower is the government. In Germany shortly after reunification the burden fell on Treuhand-owned companies which had liabilities to pay wages in DM coverted from OstMarks at 1:1: "With prices for labour and supplies going through the roof, the already stressed East Germany economy went into freefall"

"When you owe the bank £1000 you have a problem: when you owe the bank £1,000 million the bank has a problem". In the CDU's image of the German mind the problem is always with you, never with the bank.

hfakos linesanddots 17 Jul 2015 17:33

These are all Cold War dinosaurs. Merkel included. With them at the helm a different, livable Europe has no chance.

paulc156 Christian Abel 17 Jul 2015 17:25

Frankly, though the IMF have been culpable in previous instances of crisis management both with Greece and others they have exhibited some capacity to learn from past mistakes. As for the EU and especially the German dominated ECB they have pushed half of Europe to the precipice based on an imbecilic policy prescription that hasn't been tried since the UK tried to stay on the gold standard after WW1. You seem to have sided with the cranks!

Lafcadio1944 Cerebral_Football 17 Jul 2015 17:24

I recommend you read Naomi Kline's well documented book Shock Doctrine which makes the case for what I said far better than I can.

As to your apparent view that the appropriate social behavior is to always and under all circumstances take every possible advantage available to enrich ourselves. I suggest you investigate that period in history known as the Enlightenment.


LiberteEgalite1 trickster5 17 Jul 2015 17:14

trickster, you are incorrect! At least 400 million people in India live in abject poverty in suffering as a direct result of England's plundering of India over 200 years, this is not counting the millions that it killed in the name of keeping order because the Indians dared to raise their heads against the British tyranny.

You need to read real history and not the blinkered one that you read in the glossy magazines glorifying the inhuman British empire.


hfakos probitase 17 Jul 2015 16:59

But there are many mini-jobs. Which is practically unemployment if that's the only thing you have. Statistics are easy to manipulate.


hfakos KrissCross 17 Jul 2015 16:56

What a success story, climbing all the way up to being the EU's poorest nation with an EUR300 monthly salary and loosing a million people who emigrated to the West, and it keeps counting. You have also become a much more sovereign nation, that's why you cancelled South Stream a nanosecond after McCain showed up in Sofia. I mean EUR300 is more than enough, let's not be greedy and try get more revenue in the EU's poorest country. Thanks but no thanks, I wouldn't like to emulate Bulgaria's "success".


FactsForFood Mevagissey 17 Jul 2015 16:55

Hmmm, in comparison the US killed at least 129,000 civilians in a few seconds when it dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan. And many more civilians were long-term disabled afterwards.

So you are saying that we should remember this terrible crime by the US and hold them accountable for it as well.


Cerebral_Football Fani Papas 17 Jul 2015 16:48

Here's a brilliant quote from yesterday's Atlantic:

By 2010 one of those countries-Greece-could no longer pay its bills. Over the prior decade Greece had built up massive debt, a result of too many people buying too many things, too few Greeks paying too few taxes, and too many promises made by too many corrupt politicians, all wrapped in questionable accounting. Yet despite clear problems, bankers had been eagerly lending to Greece all along.

Greece is made up of Greeks, you can't disassociate them. The Greek people borrowed that money when they were levering up and buying homes, not paying taxes, doling out public sector pensions and benefits like they had discovered the cure for cancer.

Greece owes money to Spain, Italy, Slovenia, Portugal and every other country in the Eurozone. But first and foremost, before all of that, they owed the money to the banks. Yes and the banks needed to be paid back.

If you think that's unfair, try telling your credit card/bank company that you won't pay them back.


Mevagissey Susan Dechancey 17 Jul 2015 16:47

The nepotism and clientelism of the ruling class has been a problem since independence from Turkey and successive Greek governments have promised and failed to rectify it but that doesn't excuse humiliating an entire nation and pushing it to the point of economic and civil collapse because 'they deserve to reap what they sow' regardless of the consequences for the entire region with IS just a few hundred kilometres away. This is the worst case of being unable to see the wood for the trees that we have seen since the 'allies' invaded Iraq on the pretext of saving the West from nuclear weapons that did not exist.

The vindictive behaviour towards Greece marshalled by Germany last weekend has lost it a lot of friends and reminded us where its mindset comes from and where it leads to if more civilised nations do not step in to reel it in. Habermas in particular is particularly cognisant of this.

hfakos -> jozef77 17 Jul 2015 16:46

Don't worry, you will see many other cents extracted from the periphery by German corporations. You know, such when I pay international rates calling my Deutsche Telekom customer parents in Hungary from my Deutsche Telekom line in Germany. Borderless Europe, ain't it great?


probitase -> DT48 17 Jul 2015 16:41

One of the rules of the Eurozone is that a country is not allowed to default on its debts. The EU is indeed designed to pull countries in until they find they cannot or do not have the power to extricate themselves.


hfakos -> angryboy 17 Jul 2015 16:38

Yes, the Greeks are like stupid kids. What a worn-out cliche. The only countries that matter here are Germany and maybe France. Lol, do you really believe that whatshisname FinMin of mighty Slovakia has any say in this crises? Germany is using the clowns of these midget EZ countries to deflect some blame. I have never seen that many Mickey Mouse politicians suffering from delusions of grandeur than during the Greek torture sessions. As if whatshername from the Baltic grand duchies has any weight behind her proclamations.

TomorrowsWorld Barry1858 17 Jul 2015 16:35

It's a hard battle getting people to realise just how much so-called wealth is predicated on the money market casino rather than goods and services. Perhaps because it makes all the effort of putting in your relatively honest 9 to 5 fairly irrelevant, most people would rather talk about lazy Greeks than face the fact that they're the living fuel for a casino lifestyle they will only get close to if they happen to buy a winning lottery ticket.


Susan Dechancey 17 Jul 2015 16:33

where are the insights into how Greece got here ? a contra to this :

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2010/10/greeks-bearing-bonds-201010

In just the past decade the wage bill of the Greek public sector has doubled, in real terms-and that number doesn't take into account the bribes collected by public officials. The average government job pays almost three times the average private-sector job. The national railroad has annual revenues of 100 million euros against an annual wage bill of 400 million, plus 300 million euros in other expenses. The average state railroad employee earns 65,000 euros a year. Twenty years ago a successful businessman turned minister of finance named Stefanos Manos pointed out that it would be cheaper to put all Greece's rail passengers into taxicabs: it's still true. "We have a railroad company which is bankrupt beyond comprehension," Manos put it to me. "And yet there isn't a single private company in Greece with that kind of average pay."

So lets look a t Greece .. it like watching a magician ....


BeastNeedsMoreTorque papalibre 17 Jul 2015 16:32

But that argument doesn't put the banks lending the money in the clear does it? Even if we accept your argument about the stupid borrowers it doesn't exonerate the banks does it?
It's called fraud.
If I sell you a car that I know is unsafe but you're too stupid to check before I hand over the cash, its still fraud on my part.

Here's a quote that might persuade you:

Financial fraud can be broadly defined as an intentional act of deception involving financial transactions for purpose of personal gain. Fraud is a crime, and is also a civil law violation. Many fraud cases involve complicated financial transactions conducted by 'white collar criminals' such as business professionals with specialized knowledge and criminal intent.

[Jul 18, 2015] There's no end in sight to the Greco-European drama

"..."It is like a dysfunctional family where narcissistic parents believe a fantasy of their own perfection and scapegoat one of the children as the cause and epitome of all that is wrong." Nice analogy. This is the world that propaganda created. A completely parallel universe. But it's not exactly a new development. Look at the US, they are at their n-th invasion, and everybody still pretends that they are slaughtering people for 'humanitarian' reasons. Or the IMF, which has ruined the economies of pretty much every single state in the Third World and everybody pretends that 'we are helping them to escape poverty'."
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"...It all started with the 2008 global financial meltdown caused by private banker greed. Since the rich cannot be paid for their mistakes--i.e. nationalize the banks--then the rest of us, the state, take over the debt."
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"...Yes, what's happening to Greece is happening (or will happen) to us all. I will continue to vote however I've seen what happens to a fine government representing to the best of their ability the people & country - they got knocked around & overruled. What I thought was non-negotiable turns out some Hayek adoration readers in powerful positions decide now is time to dismantle social security provision, employment protections & public infrastructure is made over to privateers. Scary times. "
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"...Warren Buffet said we are in a class warfare and we (the rich) are winning. Strong words since Americans don't believe in class or Marxism."
Jul 15, 2015 | The Guardian

The last act of the classical Greek tragedy ends with two outcomes: disaster and catharsis. In the current Greek debt drama, however, there has been no catharsis. The purification has failed to materialise.

It would have meant that both sides had seen the error of their ways and come to their senses. Instead, the madness continues: Greece will take on €86bn of debt in addition to the existing €317bn (not including the emergency loans from the ECB). From Angela Merkel through François Hollande to Alexis Tsipras, all eurozone government leaders assert that Greece will emerge from over-indebtedness more quickly this way and will be economically healed in three years. Europe pretends that the bailout will help. And Greece acts as if everything is fine now.

The Brussels summit was not a disaster, though. Greece does not fall into chaos and the euro remains stable. Maybe Walter Benjamin, who once said: "The real disaster is if everything stays as it is," was right. When it comes to classical drama, it seems we have not reached the final act after all. The fourth act, the "retardation", continues. The action is slowing down, with suspensory moments: the troika returns to Athens and monitors the situation, while the Greek authorities delay and tinker about again. Until the action moves into a phase of extreme tension towards the finale. When will that be? Merkel hopes it will be after the next parliamentary elections.

The troika is not operating as a trustee, but representing highly selfish interests

For the Greeks, there is more at stake in this drama than there is for the Germans. The Germans will lose a lot of money at the most. The Greeks, however, have long since come under the tutelage of the donors. What Tsipras signed on Monday is the permanent abandonment of Greek sovereignty. Athens will be told what budget surplus it must achieve and what taxes it should raise. Fiscal sovereignty is broken. The constitution will be interfered with to impose pension cuts. The administration and judiciary must be rebuilt according to the standards of the northerners. It is not about a bailout loan, but it is avowedly about nation building, as if Greece were a failed state. Even the IMF has condemned the deal as unworkable and said the levels of debt are unsustainable.

Greek culture is being encroached upon in every way. The Sunday opening of shops is being enforced, whether the still strongly religious population likes it or not. Consumption is more important than orthodox religion – that is the credo of the north. In international law the internal affairs of a nation are largely taboo; in the euro protectorate there are no taboos.


citizenJA -> Neil59 17 Jul 2015 08:58

If Greece was a corporation, would we be concerned about this "takeover"? What is happening now is no different than an administrator stepping in, only it is happening to a government.

Wrong. Greece is a sovereign nation, sovereign people, not a business full of employees. Greece's government is functional & democratically accountable. A nation isn't a corporation. A country isn't a business. I can't tell you how horrifying your post is to me.


citizenJA Johanes 17 Jul 2015 08:08

Tecup, I really hope it is opening a few eyes to the real state of affairs.

We are all Greece, and sadly, this is not a statement of solidarity. It is a metaphor for what our rulers are turning us into. And we vote for them ...

Yes, what's happening to Greece is happening (or will happen) to us all. I will continue to vote however I've seen what happens to a fine government representing to the best of their ability the people & country - they got knocked around & overruled. What I thought was non-negotiable turns out some Hayek adoration readers in powerful positions decide now is time to dismantle social security provision, employment protections & public infrastructure is made over to privateers. Scary times.


HauptmannGurski CjCanada 16 Jul 2015 20:49

The elephant in the room is NATO. They wanted to keep Greece in at all costs, and now they have all costs.


luella zarf CjCanada 16 Jul 2015 19:05

It is like a dysfunctional family where narcissistic parents believe a fantasy of their own perfection and scapegoat one of the children as the cause and epitome of all that is wrong.

Nice analogy. This is the world that propaganda created. A completely parallel universe.

But it's not exactly a new development. Look at the US, they are at their n-th invasion, and everybody still pretends that they are slaughtering people for 'humanitarian' reasons. Or the IMF, which has ruined the economies of pretty much every single state in the Third World and everybody pretends that 'we are helping them to escape poverty'.

The problem is that once the sociopaths have completed the capture of the developing world, they have nothing left to plunder but the developed world. No surprise there, capitalism is a Ponzi scheme, but imagine the shock of the Western middle classes when they finally realize that this is their future too.


luella zarf competentcrew 16 Jul 2015 18:47

The market structure has not changed from 100 years ago and is archaic, more Oriental than European. Something has to change.

The 'burden of the white man' reloaded. With this attitude, Germans will end up being again the most hated people in Europe, and rightly so. Nobody asked them to 'zivilise' us.


luella zarf DieSacheUndOderIch 16 Jul 2015 18:40

That is the point! Germany only subscribed to the Euro under its conditions, that included a stable currency.

In 10 years the European Union will either break up or we will have war again. People are not going to put up with enforced austerity and German colonialism forever. You can hide your head in sand or you can try to understand the macroeconomics of EU, which are a bit complicated but not beyond what the average intelligence can grasp.

But Germans, to quote the economist Heiner Flassbeck, suffers from 'a collective denial of the truth', when it comes to the 'failure of German economic and financial policies and their devastating consequences'.

http://www.flassbeck-economics.de/the-euro-crisis-and-germanys-collective-denial-of-the-truth/


Areal Person -> Johanes 16 Jul 2015 17:04

Yeah, although I'm with John Gray and his post-Marxist analyses of the cyclical nature of human civilization, and would if pushed say the outlook is bleak with a few rays of sunshine here and there. The UK is likely to move further to the right when things worsen - that's not a definite, but it's likely if the post-Thatcherite years are to be viewed as a legitimate litmus test.


competentcrew -> luella zarf 16 Jul 2015 12:27

53 small businesses go bankrupt every day in Greece. 1.5 million former private sector employees are unemployed. There's no time to romanticise about beauty and variety. We are talking about people scavenging bins for food. The market structure has not changed from 100 years ago and is archaic, more Oriental than European. Something has to change.


competentcrew -> kay_dee 16 Jul 2015 12:21

Excuse me? 200.000 skilled professionals emigrated from Greece (in the last 2 years and this is a low estimate) not because they were bored, but because the way the Greeks want to run their country left them with no jobs and no hope. The country is ruined and desperately needs growth, so Sunday trading might just help a fraction. Living in a time warp doesn't.


wheresrobinhood 16 Jul 2015 01:57

It all started with the 2008 global financial meltdown caused by private banker greed. Since the rich cannot be paid for their mistakes--i.e. nationalize the banks--then the rest of us, the state, take over the debt.

The author is projecting a finality when the state cannot take on the debts of the rich any longer.

Warren Buffet said we are in a class warfare and we (the rich) are winning. Strong words since Americans don't believe in class or Marxism.

[Jul 16, 2015] The crucifixion of Greece is killing the European project

"...Spot on. Greece's debts have now been made effectively unrepayable in order to send the deafening warning to the Spaniards, Portuguese, Italians, etc., not to dare elect anti-austerity governments. It's pretty desperate stuff."
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"...if Greece was free to decide would they be in this spot. no.. they are being dictated. period. the people understand that and are protesting, but the politicians can only do what the banks tell them so they will do exactly what they are told and then have elections - the people will then elect new government which will negotiate so minor changes to the payment plans or some other irrelevant term which the new government will tout as a victory which of course the media will lap up like a dog in heat and everything will be as it should according to the control exerted by these financial oligarchs who dont give a crap about the people and only care to own own own. "
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"...Just as Sven Linqvist shows in The History of Bombing that World War Two was essentially the result of Germany importing practices into Europe which were formerly common and universally accepted (even applauded) in the West's administration of its colonies (mass murder, genocide, gun boat diplomacy), so Europe's next breakdown will be able to trace its roots back to this importing of economic practices formerly reserved by Western institutions for the developing world into the heart of the developed world. This is the beginning of the end for Europe, and it certainly marks the end of my--and many others'--dreams of a powerful, unified Europe underpinned by the acquis communautaire."
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"...The EU is a tool of banks and corporations to squeeze the poor."
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"...This article points out what has been obvious for some time. The neo liberalist European elites cannot tolerate Syriza or any other far left political movement. There is to be no credible alternative to austerity and anyone who says otherwise will be crushed. "
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"...I have just read the Hans-Ulrich Goerges column in yesterday's Stern magazine. It points out how much untaxed money rich Greeks, including the families of Greek government ministers, have parked in Switzerland over the last few years and particularly in the last few months and weeks. The amount of money involved dwarfs other sums under discussion here. And nobody does anything about it! What sort of a society is mainland western Europe, that everybody involved knows exactly what is going on, but all turn a blind eye?"
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"...You do realise that the biggest tax evading entities in Greece are of German interests? You do realise that the fund where undervalued Greek assets will be going into is directed by none other than Dr Schauble (the German finance minister) himself. Greece won't be reformed because of many interests and mostly external. The rest is a charade."
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"...To quote the great economist - J K Galbraith - 'In economics, the majority is always wrong' and that is certainly the case with the euro. For twenty years The Guardian has been mocking those of us who foresaw that the euro would impoverish southern Europe. We were also ridiculed for pointing out that the EU was undemocratic - run by unelected and unaccountable bureaucrats. Well, now the penny appears to have dropped - which is great - but I don't expect any apology to us eurosceptics! "
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"...Thank you for the better analysis I've read. As a Portuguese, from a country that is going through a very similar situation, I feel that we are not living anymore in a democracy: only a formal one, under the economical-financial diktat of the UE bureaucracy, Germany, IFM and North-American geopolitical interests. If you have a good memory, as a people we have freed ourselves from a 48 years dictatorship in April 1974, and now we are falling under another one, like the Greeks, who suffered also in the flesh the Dictatorship of the Colonels. What is waiting us? A long agony, in a humiliating, almost colonial situation. The "Evil Empire" is now formed by a nebulous cloud of hidden interests, speculators and corporations. I also had an internationalist dream, I dreamed with a democratic United Europe where the richness of its several cultures and its cross pollination could have given birth to o New Renaissance and an enlarged Atlantic-Mediterrean Pax. Not any more. After the abject humilitiation of Greece I feel ashamed of even be classified as an European. In the now quickly decaying corpse of a dream all the extremims will found, as worms, the fertile ground of a graveyard. No, thank you. Keep your money and, when needed, try to eat it."
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"...For me this is a wake up call. The European project has been stripped of its social pretensions and bare naked it's ugly. A project which was originally intended to maintain the social and economic balance in a Europe which would otherwise inevitably be dominated by Germany's disproportionate mass and scale has become a means of achieving and maintaining German financial and economic supremacy over the rest of Europe."
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"...In a speech from Goebbells to Czech Intellectuals and journalists, Berlin 1940.

You gentlemen have now seen something of the Reich, and I made a point of allowing you to make this journey before I addressed you. You have seen the Reich in Wartime, and you will have formed some idea of what it can be in peace. Out great nation with its large population, together with Italy, will in practice take over the leadership of Europe. There are no two ways about that. What it means for you is that you are already members of a great Reich which is preparing to reorganize Europe, tearing down the barriers that still separate the European peoples and making it easier for them to come together. Germany intends to put an end to a situation which quite clearly cannot satisfy mankind for long. We are performing here a work of reform which I am convinced will one day be recorded in large letters in the book of European history. Can you imagine what the Reich will actually be like after the war? (…)"
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"...What preparations did the Euro-zone make for a Greek default? They moved the private debt to the Euro-zone tax payers. 2009 - 2014 - reduction in private creditors exposure: France - 50 billion, Germany - 20 billion ..... etc ......."
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"...... Wake up call for Mr.Milne: The European Project was never meant to be of benefit for the people, only for business (and politicians). You better focus on TTIP, the coming super USA/EU, where we will all be Greece. And we don't get a referendum... This is why the UK no longer needs to be in the EU, TTIP will take care of that. All a matter of "look over here!", so you don't see what's happening over there.... "
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"...The fact that war is inconceivable between the members of the EU is the often forgotten achievement. You do not have to look very far back from its foundation to realise what has been achieved. The tragedy in my view is that the vision of Europe has been hijacked by the federalists and euro (the currency)-philes. Enforcing a single currency made this crisis only a matter of time, as we have all known since it started. Spare a thought for German tax-payers who are doing the lion's share of the funding while hearing Germany abused on all sides."
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"...I agree with Seamus' analysis and find it moves to the core of what's wrong with the financial Management of Greece by the Interests of World, European Capital. "Greed is good for Greece" is what it's democratic and financial institutions are being told by wealthy power Brokers. "If you don't shape up to our expectations of ever more atavistic desire for exponential Profit margins....you will be punished. So shape up and take your medicine. Corporate Fascism. This greed for Profit at exponential expectation is commodifying the very space between human communities and is philosophically. morally and spiritually bankrupt. I fear the the reptilian brain has taken over the asylum! See Chomsky's "Profit Before People"..."
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"...We're always talking about the loans, but the loans are not the problem, nor was the Greek economy the problem: between 2001 and 2008, the Greek economy grew faster than the German economy. If you do not believe this, don't quarrel, look it up.
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The fundamental problem of the euro zone has nothing to do with Greece, it has to do with Germany and with the macroeconomic architecture of the euro: it can't work. Since 2001, and against agreements, Germany put enormous pressure on wages: wages did not increase in sinc with productivity, but remained far below it. The consequence of this was that, by 2010, the Germans will able to produce a product and sell it in the EU for 15 % cheaper than an basically identical product made in France. With Greece, the difference was 25 %. This is how Germany exported its unemployment across the union, how it created unemployment everywhere else, how, year after year, it accumulates record trade surpluses that end up in German banks that borrow it to us so we can buy more cheap German products."
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"...You have not addressed the most horrible fact which was that the German officials conspired for years to use Grexit to manipulate other EU states into giving up their sovereignty, which is black on white in Geithner's memoirs. Yet you go on with the same moralistic crap: that nobody forced Greece to do this or that. Which tells me that you do not have an ethical bone in your body, because that is Dark Vader shit. "
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"...Central Europe is painting Greece as the naughty boy, while Spain and Portugal are the good little boys who did what they were told and imposed painful austerity on their peoples. This is the colonial tactic of divide and rule. The truth is that the euro enriches Central Europe and impoverishes the periphery. All the PIIGS faced painful choices after the 2008 crash as a result. The Spanish wrote off the chances of their young people. The Greeks tried to blag, bluster and fight their way out. Central Europe want everybody to think about how terrible the Spanish and the Greeks are for making these different bad choices. Actually, Central Europe are the villains (not only Germany but also Benelux and Finland). They used to say that you should not have monetary union without political union. We should now say: Monetary union without political union is perfect, if you want a mechanism for central imperial domination of their peripheral colonies."
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"...Greek elites, also wedded to the same system, long ago placed their country in this unpleasant position. While I acknowledge that Greece must reform, many think the reforms the Troika wishes for are not the best ones to achieve results, lacking fairness and justice, and again penalising the poorest sections of Greek society. Both Germany and Greece, pushed by the EU to be the stars of this drama, are engaged in an impossible stand off."
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"...in 2014 Timothy Geithner, US Secretary of the Treasury 2009-2013 published his Memoirs, where he details how he met Schauble in 2012. Well well, and Mr Schauble told him that kicking the Greeks out of the eurozone was a desirable strategy because "a Grexit would be traumatic enough that it would help scare the rest of Europe into giving up more sovereignty to a stronger banking and fiscal union". http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/30/business/dealbook/the-hard-line-on-greece.html

Translation: Since 2012, the Germans have attempted to throw Greece under the bus in order to manipulate other states to give up their sovereignty to the bankers! You can't make this up if you tried it! Disgusting."
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"...No taxpayers lent money to Greece : that was private banks. This only became a problem for European taxpayers when the troika decided in 2010 to take over responsibility for the debts, thereby transferring liability from bankers to taxpayers. They then imposed macroeconomic policies which gutted the Greek economy making it unlikely European taxpayers would ever get much of their money back . The newspapers really have got you hating the oppressed and loving your oppressors, haven`t they ?"
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"...Yes, I was thinking the right wing voters are most hypocritical, even in their condemnation of the EU, because they vote for the same neoliberal ideology that got Greece into this mess, for their own nations!"
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"...I was raised to have a horror of clubs and organizations with memberships. Do not see why a country would want to be a member of a club, especially when the economic disparities are so great. The EU can never operate like the USA, because every one of the countries in it as a long and different history, different language and culture. To run efficiently it will have to imitate the former USSR and develop a dictatorial central administration. Seems that Merkel has grasped that fact. Arbeit macht Frei will be the watchword and goodbye to La dolce vita."
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"...Did it occur to you that the EU has changed in recent years. It is now run by right wing governments who promote a failed austerity and a failed banking system. A decade ago, it was full of socialist governments who went on a spending spree. The Banks were the winners in both cases, but now the poorest pay with unemployment, rights taken, and assets stripped, while those who benefitted most still enjoy their riches and stack money away in tax havens."

The Guardian

This attempt to turn Athens into a debt colony will fail – and open the way to the breakup of the eurozone

"That's been a familiar pattern in the developing world for decades, in the guise of IMF and World Bank structural adjustment programmes. But the eurozone has now given it permanent institutional form."


afurada crystaltips2 17 Jul 2015 18:31

It means what it says - that over 90% of the demands made by the Troika were carried out by successive governments. I'm listing some of them here (in order of occurrence from 2010): a freeze in the salaries of all government employees; a 10% cut in bonuses and overtime for govt workers; a freeze on pensions; an increase in VAT from 19% to 21%; rises in taxes on fuel, cigarettes, and alcohol; rises in taxes on luxury goods; cuts in public sector pay; pension reform including increasing retirement age from 60 to 65 for women; cap on monthly wages and introduction of 10% cuts on salaries above €1,800; new taxes and new cuts of workers' wages; property tax collected through the electricity bill; public pension cuts to 15%; increase of the retirement age from 65 to 67; additional wage cuts for civil servants up to 20%; public salary wage cuts up to 30%; Public Broadcasting Service shut down; thousands of layoffs and wage cuts for civil service workers.

They could have done more, and harmed the economy even further. As it turns out, it is a good thing that they didn't.


Graham Jones 17 Jul 2015 18:25

Indeed, the bullying of Greece and the introduction of secretive treaties like TTIP and TISA which threaten all our public services, making a mockery of having a parliamentary democracy, have convinced me to vote no in a referendum. The EU is a tool of banks and corporations to squeeze the poor. It seems our MEPs are as blissfully unaware of the broad tide of disaffection with the EU as they are with the real effects of the secret treaties. I bet Cameron is kicking himself about offering a referendum on EU membership, naively thinking that the leftish, greenish and liberal voters would weigh against the Tory euroscepts and kippers. He really needs the SNP on this one!

eamono MaroonMango 17 Jul 2015 17:50

Absolute crap as the Finance Minister was defeated 4-2 in a ministerial vote prior to his resignation. What were his policies and decisions? They were to take control of the Greek National Bank before the ECB acting unlawfully, stopped the funding. Why aren't you questioning the political actions of a bank that is deemed to be economic not political? Who in Europe ordered the ECB to act like this? The Germans? It wasn't the French. Do some research!!! Dr. Eamon

ukchange68 iOpenerLo114Lat51 17 Jul 2015 17:33

'real money' investors have been cheated, and stolen from, just like the rest of us, I'm afraid

Euvosto Taivas gooner40 17 Jul 2015 16:39

Regrettable, the political egos in Brussels, Paris and Berlin could never stand the Union's dissolution without tragedy.


bolshevik96 17 Jul 2015 15:55

This article points out what has been obvious for some time. The neo liberalist European elites cannot tolerate Syriza or any other far left political movement. There is to be no credible alternative to austerity and anyone who says otherwise will be crushed. The fact that the democratically elected government of a free and sovereign nation can be bullied into accepting harsh, economic strictures despite their election on an anti austerity ticket shines a revealing light on the bureaucratic reality of the European Union. The Greek people made their voices heard in the referendum and the message was loud and clear - NO. Democracy in the Union now only exists on the sufferance of the financial elites and if you think that this has no implications for the UK you couldn`t be more wrong. The writing is on the wall for the smaller, newer members (and some of the older ones) : elect governments acceptable to the new neo liberalist orthodoxy or face the consequences.... For years the right wing press has been banging on about European interference in British domestic affairs and the left has been dismissing it as xenophobic scare mongering but maybe they have actually been calling it right.... if that`s the case the left had better start re-thinking their position and start putting British interests first, last and always........


tnbskts icarus32fly 17 Jul 2015 15:21

Because when a country gets into deep financial trouble, what's the alternative? And the problem is, the deep financial trouble isn't always self-inflicted; sometimes governments are destabilised from without in order to bring about this very situation, sometimes the problems are part of a more widespread financial or other crisis (which is at least part of the problem in this case, even though I know the Tories like to claim that the 2008 financial crisis was totally down to the Labour government).

And then the vultures circle and pick the bones clean. Austerity for the masses, public holdings transferred to private ownership at fire-sale prices, laws passed to favour foreign investors and trade at the expense of local businesses and individuals, and a society and economy wrecked for decades to come.


mjlynley 17 Jul 2015 12:50


While I have lots of sympathy with the Greek (I used to live there), and I agree that the terms are onerous, those who are vociferously criticizing the Europeans and blaming especially the Germans must ask themselves 1) what about Greece's responsibility (and trustworthiness) and 2) what is the alternative.

With regard the first, the Greeks and their sympathizers talk all the time about the democratic will of the people. But democracy also means collective responsibility for what the governments you elect do in your name. Let us not forget, Greece was actually starting to recover at the end of last year before Syriza started its disastrous and ill-conceived theatrics. Also, you can't put the blame for the debt on the creditors - the Greeks LIED and CHEATED about their true level of indebtedness, and they failed to keep their promises. The Greeks are adults and must take responsibility for their decisions. If they are not considered adults able to make sensible decisions, then they don't deserve to rule.

Another important point, frequently mentioned, but not stressed enough, is that the Greeks themselves don't want to pay for their country. Tax evasion is rampant. I was there a couple of months ago and was surprised by the number of petrol stations that were cash only, no receipt. If the Greeks aren't at least prepared to meet the world half-way, why should taxpayers in northern Europe be forced to subsidize them ad infinitum. The reforms are designed to get Greece to a primary budget surplus (i.e. before interest). Surely that is not unreasonable?!

What is the alternative to the current deal? Everyone knows there will be some form of debt relief, even if it's only making a large chunk virtually interest-free, and stretched out far into the future. If there is a write-off, someone has to pay. The money doesn't come out of thin air. And that will be borne by taxpayers whose countries kept the rules!

Sadly, it's a mess with no winners, only losers.


dr8765 17 Jul 2015 08:50

Near perfect closing paragraph Seumas.

On the assumption that The Guardian will allow a "free vote" amongst its journalists, I hope that you will lead the "out" faction in the run-up to the referendum. Although, judging by some of the things written by others this past week, you may have some competition.

At last the left in this country seems to have woken up to what is happening, although that doesn't extend to the politicians. But then, when was the last time the Labour party really represented the views of the disenfranchised?


Liam DC Nisbet LiberteEgalite1 17 Jul 2015 08:34

Do your research. Greeks are well aware of the endemic corruption and tax evasion, and this has certainly contributed towards their economic woes, but it's not the whole picture.

Greece was lent a lot of money, by Germany, when Germany knew it couldn't pay it back. That's called irresponsible lending and it would land your average high street bank in deep water, but the Troika are not your average high street banks.

This article is not baseless at all, in fact it's right on the money.

It's your kind of poorly informed rhetoric that stokes nationalist resentment. Keep your childish opinions to yourself in future because you're not helping anyone.


LiberteEgalite1 17 Jul 2015 08:14

Countries poorer than Greece in the EU such as Latvia, Slovakia, and Lithuania have made the reforms and adjustments required to reign in borrowing in order to be competitive and are starting to succeed. Their aspire to be like Netherlands and Germany and are working hard to attain this goal. Greece on the other hand wants to send a begging bowl around the EU so that it can hand generous welfare to its citizens using other people's money. This article is baseless and not helpful in helping Greeks understand the real source of their plight, which is their endemic corruption and tax evasion of its elite.


MaxDrei 17 Jul 2015 07:30

I have just read the Hans-Ulrich Goerges column in yesterday's Stern magazine. It points out how much untaxed money rich Greeks, including the families of Greek government ministers, have parked in Switzerland over the last few years and particularly in the last few months and weeks. The amount of money involved dwarfs other sums under discussion here. And nobody does anything about it! What sort of a society is mainland western Europe, that everybody involved knows exactly what is going on, but all turn a blind eye?


NickLS -> nicholass 17 Jul 2015 07:25

Greece does not have an export oriented economy, this is a fact. It would be great if it did, but to develop one would take time and - surprise! - development; yes, the opposite of austerity!

Given this factual situation of negligible exports, cutting pensions and wages effectively means killing the internal market and shrinking the economy because - surprise! - people will have less money to buy stuff from the companies that sell them. Thus, the remaining companies' sales will fall more and they will have to close shop.

As for the characterisation of SYRIZA, I do not know what you justify it on and what your experience with them is, but I think it should be more than clear that your opinion does not necessarily reflect the truth.


channelswimmer -> ChipsandCrisps 17 Jul 2015 07:15

Actually they checked their books, however Eurostat rules said that derivative positions did't have to be on the books. Many complained about this rule, but Greece with the help of Goldman Sachs completely abused it by turning what looks like a loan from GS (ie GS give Greece a load of money, Greece pay small 'interest charges', Greece repays a load of money) into something structured as a derivative position that didn't have to show up.

estremoz -> NickLS 17 Jul 2015 05:57

It won't be NATO, it will be Eurogendfor, militarily equipped, rapid reaction force entirely at the operational control of the Commission, not the Council of Ministers.
Already formed, already fully operational.
Anti EU protests, which will increase, will be termed domestic terrorism.


NickLS -> cpp4ever 17 Jul 2015 05:49

Greece is not going to exit the Eurozone for the simple reason that Greek assets have been and will keep being sold off at ridiculously low prices to foreign interests. This includes infrastructure, utilities, telecommunications, banks, road tolls, ports, airports, minerals, oil rights, land, tourist businesses, etc. For example, Fraport (a German company) will be gaining ownership of 14 airports throughout Greece soon and Deutsche Telecom already owns the biggest telecommunication company in Greece. Canadian companies and funds own the Athens airport and the gold reserves in the north of the country.

Can you imagine what long term profits these are going to make for foreign companies and for lender countries who bought it all for 1/100th of their real value through the bailout terms? A return to the drachma would mean the end of the profits and their feast, so it won't happen. And even if a revolt happens one day, you will start hearing in the media how Greek "extremists" are out of control and need to be suppressed by NATO or Juncker's army, if he has it by then.


icarus32fly 17 Jul 2015 05:48

Crucifixion: what an apt image! And the sheer weight of the voices behind the plethora of links you provide in this piece is ample evidence that most people of good sense are hating what's happening. Wonder if a shotgun wedding -the very rushed formation of the EU-can possibly end in an amicable and civilised divorce?


tnbskts 17 Jul 2015 05:45

Naomi Klein pointed out in The Shock Doctrine in 2007 that banker-imposed austerity was incompatible with democracy, and that the financial sector along with its bought-and-paid-for governments would do whatever it took to make sure that its interests prevailed, so this outcome was pretty much inevitable. Not exactly surprising that Greece has been added to the parade of countries that have already been impoverished so that the few at the top can become even richer.


icarus32fly MaxDrei 17 Jul 2015 05:44

No, not heart breaking at all; heartbreak involves losing something worthwhile and precious, the whole EU Project was never anything like this but a cock-eyed, ill-conceived, misguided shotgun monetary wedding...to continue your marriage metaphor...I'm still trying to figure out who was pregnant and had to get married.


orsat1 17 Jul 2015 05:42

I have had many happy experiences in the past 47 years whilst visiting Greece. I would like to go again but, I fear a backlash from all Greeks who do not profit from tourism. Tourism is a major part of the Greek economy and many Germans holidayed there: they will now stay away thus exacerbating the problem. Likewise many other EU citizens will feel as I do and stay away.

The IMF and now the ECB have said that the debt is unsustainable, only the EU [mainly Germany] believes that they can get blood out of a stone. PLEASE LEAVE THE EU if only temporarily, and bring back the drachma. Tourists will flock to your shores.


cpp4ever 17 Jul 2015 05:38

Have to agree with you, Seumas Milne, Greece will eventually have to exit the Eurozone and default on many of its debts if the EU Troika continues with policies that have singularly failed in the past and I reckon will no doubt fail again. The current course for Greece makes a mockery of any Democracy requirements of the Eurozone when it can apparently be effectively over ruled so easily. If anyone thinks otherwise, then consider this, Greek businesses going bankrupt is about the most successful business there at the moment and that is going to do nowt for their GDP, or make the profits required to service any debts, let alone pay them off. But that is what Troika policy has achieved and can hardly be called a success!


johnc2tinit 17 Jul 2015 05:31

Perhaps now is the time to point out the obvious: On the scale of Europe Greece is a tiny country.

The Greek population is a mere 5% that of France, Germany and Britain combined. It is similar to that Lombardy and just double that of Ireland. With a third of the population is in the city or metropolitan area of Athens there is neither the workforce nor the infrastructure to rebuild a viable economy, capable of sustaining the payback expected.

Even with a florid economy Greece would have struggled to pay back the "investments" that other European countries poured in as bail-out. The error was as much on the part of the "rescuers" as on the government then in power for accepting such disproportionate sums.

Any private investor will find in small print at the foot of a prospectus the warning: past performance is no guarantee of future returns. In Greece's case, following years of corrupt government, this codicil should have made the EU all that much more careful to help Greece to become solvent again – innovating industry and creating jobs – rather than encouraging her to dig a deeper hole to be finally swallowed in.

Until those now crying for their money back realise that their money as lost and start supporting all the smaller members of the union in order to rebuild a single economic entity the future is bleak. For all of us, even for the larger and more wealthy members.

John Crawford, Bergamo, Italy


NickLS Mark Hatton 17 Jul 2015 05:30

It is misleading to say there is a Greek situation. There is a situation for almost everyone in Europe; some are feeling the effects now, some felt it earlier and some will feel it later. However, you are right to say the the EU is a very opaque bureaucratic hegemony, on that is empowered by the de facto diversity, inequality and the lack of effective bottom-up organisation throughout the continent.


AgeingAlbion 17 Jul 2015 05:30

Over 40 years ago Tony Benn and Enoch Powell joined forces and argued that the EU was undemocratic; that you could not have a single government without a single minister of finance; and that the EU (Eec for pedants) was an ever expanding monster that was a one way street to a superstate. The dishonest Ted Heath pretended he disagreed. The more honest on the left agreed but thought it was a good thing, since for them more government is always better government.

So well done for waking up Seamus to what was predicted by intelligent people from opposite ends of the spectrum before you were even born.


Christopher Deans 17 Jul 2015 05:28

There was not one member country that did not fudge entry conditions to the common currency of the euro and Greece was aided by other members. The only way the euro could have worked was within the confines of a Federal Europe, and a common currency was the lure. This was Germany's third attempt to dominate Europe in the last 100 years and it has failed. The Greeks will leave the Euro and they will be followed by the Mediterranean Nations whose economy is being stifled by debts greater than 100% of GDP; they need to devalue their currency to survive. German goods and services will become increasingly expensive, and equitable trade balances will eventually be restored. The process of restoration will cause some considerable hardships, which are inevitable. but who wants to use currency and a fiscal system in which trade deficit will see German bailiffs at the door demanding possession of national assets.


Mark Hatton 17 Jul 2015 05:23

The European Union is not a democratic institution, neither was it created to be. It's basis is ideological federalism, or bureaucratic hegemony, if you prefer.

The EU project was always a method for Germany and/or France to attempt to dominate the mainland. There was long an unspoken agreement between these two senior nations to this end, whilst each plotted to usurp the other, 'France by other means', 'ever closer union'. The disparate identities of the European members are being gently sanded to match the homogeneous banality of the bureaucratic elite themselves. Peace in our time intending to be achieved by grim uniformity.

That the Greek situation is political as well as financial is self evident. But it is not as black and white, good vs evil as some commentators would have you believe. The Greek establishment are as responsible for their predicament as the EU is. As a nation it has lived beyond it's means, and saw Euro membership as it's ticket to do this. It is naive to imagine the EU, IMF and German banks would be given pause by a pointless referendum and empty bluster. For all Tsipras' guts and political mandate, its was always a matter of time before he had to capitulate, or leave the Euro. Everyone round that table knew it.


imp44791 oak101 17 Jul 2015 05:23

For once a decent comment in CiF that doesn't go on about either "banksters" or "lazy Greeks".

There are no good guys in this affair.

1. Not those European politicians who are risking to wreck (and possibly have already wrecked) decades' worth of effort to build a system to keep the nationalist beast quiet over a point of philosophy ("moral hazard") and protocol ("why did you lot call a referendum while we were still negotiating"?).

2. Not the supposed left-wingers in Greece who have repeatedly lied to their own voters for years on end (latest one: "vote No, and we will force a good agreement in 48 hours"), and who once elected immediately proved themselves to be the usual force of conservatism that the Greek "left" has always been: the protectors of guild privileges, the sacrificers of workers in the private sector to protect the cushy positions of their clients in the civil service, the persistent deniers of any modernising reform.

3. Not the voting public in Greece who cannot rid itself of the ridiculous sense of exceptionalism, entitlement (on the achievements of some chaps who lived 2500 years ago), and myth-making ("the Russians will save us")

4. Not the voting public in Europe, who has fallen hook, line and sinker for all the inane stereotypes of feckless Southerners who will retire at 30 to sit out in the sun, and buy luxuries with the hard earned money of Berlin bakers.

5. And certainly not the commenters of CiF, who ride their own personal ideological hobby-horses (be that "banksters" or "morally bankrupt socialists") over an affair that has little to do with any of that.

I am a Greek expat of some 25 years, after despairing of points 2 and 3 above. Because Syriza's BS is not just BS. It's also old-hat BS: all a silly mish-mash of old Pasok clientelism and anti-modernising reflexes, seasoned by the illiterate ramblings of the extra-parliamentary far left. But the last five years have also led me to despair of the supposedly better Europeans. Perhaps it's time to up sticks again and try a less ideologically bankrupt continent. Is New Zealand far enough? How about Tuvalu?


NickLS rCharel 17 Jul 2015 05:23

You do realise that the biggest tax evading entities in Greece are of German interests? You do realise that the fund where undervalued Greek assets will be going into is directed by none other than Dr Schauble (the German finance minister) himself. Greece won't be reformed because of many interests and mostly external. The rest is a charade.


bill9651 17 Jul 2015 05:11

To quote the great economist - J K Galbraith - 'In economics, the majority is always wrong' and that is certainly the case with the euro.

For twenty years The Guardian has been mocking those of us who foresaw that the euro would impoverish southern Europe. We were also ridiculed for pointing out that the EU was undemocratic - run by unelected and unaccountable bureaucrats.

Well, now the penny appears to have dropped - which is great - but I don't expect any apology to us eurosceptics!

ThinBanker justonetom 17 Jul 2015 05:06

With respect, I think you miss a crucial angle on Syriza. Tsipras and Varoufakis are very intelligent men, so is it realistic to suggest that they were naively offering the undeliverable and crossing their fingers? No, the point of their strategy was fear: take a bold, brazen stance and evoke the clear understanding that they will not back down and all the time leverage fear of the repurcussions for the eurozone as a whole if they are kicked out. Such a strategy requries a poker face, a brazen bluff til the end.

When it came to showing hands, Germany won .... but if you think about it, this was the only viable strategy if Greece was to try and remove its straitjacket.


ManuelGiraldes 17 Jul 2015 04:58

Thank you for the better analysis I've read. As a Portuguese, from a country that is going through a very similar situation, I feel that we are not living anymore in a democracy: only a formal one, under the economical-financial diktat of the UE bureaucracy, Germany, IFM and North-American geopolitical interests. If you have a good memory, as a people we have freed ourselves from a 48 years dictatorship in April 1974, and now we are falling under another one, like the Greeks, who suffered also in the flesh the Dictatorship of the Colonels. What is waiting us? A long agony, in a humiliating, almost colonial situation. The "Evil Empire" is now formed by a nebulous cloud of hidden interests, speculators and corporations. I also had an internationalist dream, I dreamed with a democratic United Europe where the richness of its several cultures and its cross pollination could have given birth to o New Renaissance and an enlarged Atlantic-Mediterrean Pax. Not any more. After the abject humilitiation of Greece I feel ashamed of even be classified as an European. In the now quickly decaying corpse of a dream all the extremims will found, as worms, the fertile ground of a graveyard. No, thank you. Keep your money and, when needed, try to eat it.


JackBz 17 Jul 2015 04:53

For me this is a wake up call. The European project has been stripped of its social pretensions and bare naked it's ugly. A project which was originally intended to maintain the social and economic balance in a Europe which would otherwise inevitably be dominated by Germany's disproportionate mass and scale has become a means of achieving and maintaining German financial and economic supremacy over the rest of Europe.

Right now Greece can go hang, but the message is - actually - you can all go hang, if it doesn't work for Germany it's not going to happen.


Shipyardwelder 17 Jul 2015 04:11

Greece has been made a sort of sacrificial lamb for the Euro project. On the altar of the European dream, a nation has been reduced to penury. Yes, they were stupid to borrow money in the way that they did. But, more stupid is a E.U., that allowed a situation like this to develop in the first place. -- May the fine Greek people find resurrection that comes after crucifixion.


estremoz 17 Jul 2015 03:39

In a speech from Goebbells to Czech Intellectuals and journalists, Berlin 1940.

You gentlemen have now seen something of the Reich, and I made a point of allowing you to make this journey before I addressed you. You have seen the Reich in Wartime, and you will have formed some idea of what it can be in peace. Out great nation with its large population, together with Italy, will in practice take over the leadership of Europe. There are no two ways about that. What it means for you is that you are already members of a great Reich which is preparing to reorganize Europe, tearing down the barriers that still separate the European peoples and making it easier for them to come together. Germany intends to put an end to a situation which quite clearly cannot satisfy mankind for long. We are performing here a work of reform which I am convinced will one day be recorded in large letters in the book of European history. Can you imagine what the Reich will actually be like after the war? (…)


mitchellkiwi 17 Jul 2015 03:30

Well, Merkel, Schauble, Juncker, congratulations! You'll be able to buy the Piraeus, already you own plenty of properties there. You'll be able to buy energy, water and other public services. But more and more of the British public now know they no longer want to be a part of such an abusive organisation. The UK will be leaving after their referendum. We don't want to know you any longer.


Euvosto Taivas FrankMartin 17 Jul 2015 03:30

At least very many Finns would like to resign the euro. They have begun collecting names, in order to give the opportunity to a referendum. The eurozone represents the dictatorship of the international banksters. The whole European Union is hated every day more and more. Names against it are collected, too. As we know, Eu does not allow referendums regarding its decisions or very existence.


soundofthesuburbs David Parris 17 Jul 2015 03:21

What preparations did the Euro-zone make for a Greek default? They moved the private debt to the Euro-zone tax payers.

2009 - 2014 - reduction in private creditors exposure: France - 50 billion, Germany - 20 billion ..... etc .......

The taxpayers have been loaded up with the bankers bad loans.

The full unpleasant story:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-03/good-you-greece-don%E2%80%99t-waver-now-part-2


DT48 FenlandBuddha 17 Jul 2015 03:06

Who do you think funded people like Jean Monnet? The campaign for European Union was in Britain until Britain made it clear it was not going to commit, then it shifted to France.

Yes, it is a US project - some European politicians may have been anti-American, but surely it is obvious by now that the US is politically pragmatic and would consider that a small price to pay for the desired geopolitical outcomes.


Enoch Powell 17 Jul 2015 02:57

The crucifixion of Greece is killing the European project

The European project is dead. Dead as a dodo !! The free trade concept looked good on paper but the EU has transformed into something quite different than what was originally intended.

If the British people knew that political union was on the agenda and that millions of poor East Europeans would have free access to British jobs, public services and social housing they would have comprehensively rejected EU membership at conception. The fact is the British and Greek people have been lied to time and time again by the political establishment. The chickens have come home to roost and it's game over for this failed and corrupt European project. Get over it !!


taxmillionaires admonfr 17 Jul 2015 02:55

You conveniently forget that of the 'bail outs' allegedly given to Greece, more than a 90% went straight to the banks, therefore, they should not be called bail outs for Greece. They were at all effects bailouts for the effing failing banks.

Greece couldn't pay its debt and that debt shouldn't been payed. When you walk into a casino and you gamble, you may win or loose. If you loose, you don't have the European taxpayers covering for your loses. The same should be applied to banks and investors. You invest at your own peril. You may win a fortune in profits and interest but you may lose if the borrower cannot pay back. However, the way it is in Europe now, the banks and creditors gamble and profit from the interests while the taxpayers foot the bill for the loses. If there is not enough taxpayers' money to cover the astronomical loses of those banks, then bleed the taxpayers dry by imposing an artificial austerity destined to suck up to the last cent of EU states to give to banks. What a cosy arrangement, no?

I will only believe that it was Greece's fault if up to the last cent of those 300 bn or so in 'bail outs' had remained in Greece's economy. As it is, for me, it was, it is and it will continue to be the fault of the banks and the apologists for those banks. As we stand, the eurocrats have catastrophically failed not only to Greece, to the rest of the eurozone countries, but to every country in the EU because they have tramped democracy and put in the open what the EU project is all about. Nobody apart from Greece's democratically elected government should have a say in how the country is run.

What those eurocrats have done in Greece is at all effects a coup and history will make them pay dearly for it.


muezzin maricaangela 17 Jul 2015 02:49

Well, as you know, ties between Germany and Croatia are deep :) We'll see if Germans will help if Croats implode.

As for the commercial loans - this is how the Chinese and Americans operate. Standard MO. Only, the Germans, Swiss and Italians did it a bit more ineptly, crashing many a East/Southern European family with unfavorable loans. Note however, that this does not apply to Greece, where interests rates were slashed a few years ago.


FenlandBuddha Thorlar1 17 Jul 2015 02:49

"The "European project" was largely designed by the US in the aftermath of WWII specifically to resist Soviet Russian expansion."

Absolute bollocks. The drivers behind the European project were all European (sometimes anti-American). It was all about no more European wars and at its core how can France and Germany live together after 3 destructive wars in one lifetime. That's what drive men like Jean Monnet. If the USSR hasn't existed they would have acted in exactly the same way. The Americans couldn't wait to get out of Europe after the war.

Utter anti-American " twist rhe facts to make the US the villain" drivel


hertsman GMPierce 17 Jul 2015 02:46

The money went to the German and French banking system and was added to Greece's bill. The Greeks didn't see a nickle of that money.

Wrong. They got 9% or around 25 Bn - that's a lot of nickels. Please make your contributions more accurate.

the ordinary Greek people don't profit from that corruption.

Really ? Where do you think the money came from to allow public servants to retire at 55 with 80% pension ? A Guardian article on Greek pensions featured a clerk who had retired at 55 and received E 940/month pension. This must be the most generous pension system in the world.


David Parris 17 Jul 2015 02:35

Germany wants influence in proportion to its size, and its size is huge; this has led to dangerous hegemonism leaving smaller states (except Luxembourg) counting for little. Essentially, European democratic structures exist only on paper; in practice, France and Germany collude to stitch up major decisions in advance, to the detriment of smaller Member States. The mechanism of so-called "bail-outs" should be noted; they consist of loans at better interest rates than the bank gives me, and are used to pay off German bond holders. So in effect, Germans are the main beneficiaries of bail-outs, and although they tie up capital, they provide a decent return to the lender.

jorjo stui2000 17 Jul 2015 02:30

Some consequences of the mess imposed by Germany and their vassals

  • - in a few months Germany has lost a lot of the political capital and reputation it had acquired post WWII
  • - Euroscepticism growing all over Europe, not only within rightwing populists but amongst liberal and progressive part of society
  • - Probability of UK exiting EU as a result of the referendum increasing materially
  • - Possibility of Scotland leaving UK as a result of it

What a shamble, and I have not even mentioned the consequences in Greece!


soundofthesuburbs admonfr 17 Jul 2015 02:26

It is interesting to contrast how Greece is being treated for its debt of 300 – 400 billion to how the bankers were treated when they lost 6 trillion.

James Rickards in Currency Wars gives this figure (before anyone asks):
Losses from sub-prime - less than $300 billion
With derivative amplification - over $6 trillion


Thorlar1 17 Jul 2015 02:21

The "European project" was largely designed by the US in the aftermath of WWII specifically to resist Soviet Russian expansion. Consequently there has never been any place for left wing politics, let alone economics, at the high tables of European economic policy.

Germany, the greatest recipient of post war reconstruction funds (bail outs) at the end of the war, is dutifully toeing an economic line drawn by America, via the IMF, World Bank and now the ECB. Europe is not a unifying project, it is a neoliberal test bed for economic Darwinism and magic pudding thinking where survival of the fittest is the first and only rule.

Ironically it took the US, an outsider, to dictate the terms of Breton Woods and the new global world order to Europeans, especially France, who wanted to do another Versailles treaty on Germany all over again.

But as always America's motives were far from pure, it created a powerful anti-communist bulwark in central Europe, and new 'trading partners' for its exports and has retained economic supremacy ever since, essentially on the back of arms manufacture and associated industries that has accounted for up to a third of the the US's GDP. For a while it not only survived at the expense of its 'competitors' it thrived.

But all good things come to an end and the end for the US economic dominance was the signaled by rejection of Keynesianism in the late 70s and 1980's debt-fueled consumption. This and other magic pudding ideas became a global exports along with structural adjustment, aka austerity.

After a brief fling with communism Greece avidly imported all this economic nonsense, peddled by dealers like Goldman Sachs et al, little realising that unlike America with its huge economy and global fiat currency, they could not money-print their way out of living beyond their means. When it came time to pay the piper the down side of debt-fueled consumption was made very clear by Germany, a principal lender, who has no problem doing to Greece what the US stopped France from doing to Germany all those years ago.

The only answer for Greece now is to forget tourism and convert its entire economy to arms manufacturing, this will not only enable it to repay all its loans, but be in surplus in no time. They could get some advice on this from another small European arms manufacturing country: Sweden!


Scrotalyser Euvosto Taivas 17 Jul 2015 02:18

The EU always was a Banking Project. We must thank the Greeks for showing us the true nature of the beasts. And apologies to all those whose warnings were brushed off as conspiracy theories.


Gjenganger Charliezulu 17 Jul 2015 02:14

I beg to differ. Postwar Germany must have been a place of crushing austerity. They had had their system rewritten by outsiders, they had taken on board the new way of doing things and decided to make a success of it no matter what. Then the outside world decided to stop demanding the impossible and thereby cause unnecessary ruin (and, yes, that kind of foresight is in short supply today).

We should not push the parallel too far - Greece is 'guilty' of economic mismanagement, not of world war and genocide. But some of the same spirit of accepting reality and dealing with your problems would go a long way to make debt relief easier. Germany did not hold a referendum to decide that they were having their pre-war living standard back, the occupying troops out, and their country unified, and the US and USSR would kindly move out of the way and provide the money to finance the project.


Gayreekslayer 17 Jul 2015 02:13

Greece has a per capita GDP that is lower than that of West Virginia (both before and after the meltdown), one of America's poorest states. West Virginia doesn't have subway stations with marble. It couldn't afford it even if it wanted to have them.

Bottom line is when you have an economy that is worse than West Virginia, you can't live like you're in The Netherlands or in Germany.


GMPierce 17 Jul 2015 02:03

Guess what guys -- The old man crying in front of the Bank ATM was not one of the people who collected the cash from the previous bail-outs.

The money went to the German and French banking system and was added to Greece's bill. The Greeks didn't see a nickle of that money.

The Greek government is obviously corrupt, but again, the ordinary Greek people don't profit from that corruption. The Greeks banks are broke because all of the money is in the hands of the EU bureaucrats and a dozen other varieties of thieves.

You can call them socialists or you can call them free-enterprisers, but whatever label they use is just a justification for why they are entitled to rob the ordinary people blin.


mrmikeeu 17 Jul 2015 01:59

The crucifixion of Greece is killing the European project

... Wake up call for Mr.Milne: The European Project was never meant to be of benefit for the people, only for business (and politicians). You better focus on TTIP, the coming super USA/EU, where we will all be Greece. And we don't get a referendum... This is why the UK no longer needs to be in the EU, TTIP will take care of that. All a matter of "look over here!", so you don't see what's happening over there....

Healthymongrel 17 Jul 2015 01:55

The fact that war is inconceivable between the members of the EU is the often forgotten achievement. You do not have to look very far back from its foundation to realise what has been achieved. The tragedy in my view is that the vision of Europe has been hijacked by the federalists and euro (the currency)-philes. Enforcing a single currency made this crisis only a matter of time, as we have all known since it started. Spare a thought for German tax-payers who are doing the lion's share of the funding while hearing Germany abused on all sides.

The real blame lies with the people who will never be called to account: the fantasists for a federal Europe who pulled countries into the Euro knowing perfectly well that their economies, their whole ways of looking at the world, were incompatible.

That was a criminal act.

Meanwhile, in the UK the advantages of Europe are being masked by this disaster, the will of the Greek (and I suspect the German) people is being driven over, public opinion in France is moving against all things European.


ID3090731 17 Jul 2015 01:55

I agree with Seamus'analysis and find it moves to the core of what's wrong with the financial Management of Greece by the Interests of World, European Capital.

"Greed is good for Greece" is what it's democratic and financial insitutions are being told by wealthy power Brokers.
"If you don't shape up to our expectations of ever more atavistic desire for exponential Profit margins....you will be punsished. So shape up and take your medicin.

Corporate Facism. This greed for Profit at exponential expectation is commodifying the very space between human communities and is philosophivally. morally and spiritually bankrupt. I fear the the reptilian brain has taken over the asylum! See Chomsky's "Profit Before People"


trp981 17 Jul 2015 01:25

"The ex-finance minister Yanis Varoufakis compared the 'deal' to the Versailles treaty."

The post WW1 Versailles treaty and the post WW2 Marshall Plan can be profitably compared to everyone's favorite US Constitution amendments: 18th and 21st. The former instituted the prohibition on alcoholic beverages, while the latter repealed the former. The zeal of austerity-mongers in torturing Greece in the guise of a morality play, while much of the bailout money is being transferred in the background to the coffers of the creditors - who hold more than at least as much responsibility in making risky loans in pursuit of higher gains - could possibly lead to a system-wide collapse beyond Greece. After a prolonged period of avoidable suffering, something like a Marshall Plan/21st Amendment will be required to repeal a stupid "pre-Keynesian balanced-budget economics" and wash away the damage wrought by the banks and the financial sector in general. An unnecessary lessons-not-learned repetition of historical events and/or the return of the repressed.

"That's been a familiar pattern in the developing world for decades, in the guise of IMF and World Bank structural adjustment programmes. But the eurozone has now given it permanent institutional form."

The Troika's algorithmic cruelty towards the Greeks has thrown into relief – yet again - the consequences of "structural adjustment programmes", which effectively redefine the economic concept of GDP as generalized debt peonage. The only novelty in the Greek situation, and by extension "southern Europe", is that the GDP has now contracted from faraway places to the outskirts of the civilized continent.

"The idea that this crisis has simply pitted one democratic mandate – that of Greece – against the hard-pressed taxpayers of 18 other eurozone members is nonsense."

The good news for those into the dark arts of manufacturing consent is that a politically sufficient number of people can be fooled a politically sufficient number of times. Especially effective is the national-economy-is-like-household-economy ruse, which always succeeds in corralling the economic illiterate. Which leaves us with the wise words of Cheech and Chong: "I know exactly where we are."


CroppyNotDown 17 Jul 2015 01:13

The ECB happy to illegally egg on then stand and watch a bank run destroy an entire country, for whom it is the central bank; all at the behest of its most powerful shareholder.

This is surely a world first in the history of central banking.

Now the ECB will loosen the noose, ever so slightly, just to allow a few short breadths.

Europe knows its destruction techniques well. It has a long and bloody history learning them.

The humiliation of Greece cries out for vengence, and that is probably what it will get.


apacheman 16 Jul 2015 20:28

You might call this the opening stages of The War of the 1%.

Truly it is a war of sociopaths against humanity, and it will be very, very ugly before it is through.

It has happened repeatedly in human history, and it always ends in the same way: the extermination of the current 1% and and their families after the slaughter of millions of innocents.

I wish they would learn to accept limits, but their natures demand complete and utter control...they enjoy watching the suffering, and always think they can get off scot-free, right up to the moment they are on the steps of the guillotine, or facing the firing squads.

Sadly, it is beginning again.


ID9173573 16 Jul 2015 20:14

We're always talking about the loans, but the loans are not the problem, nor was the Greek economy the problem: between 2001 and 2008, the Greek economy grew faster than the German economy. If you do not believe this, don't quarrel, look it up.

The fundamental problem of the euro zone has nothing to do with Greece, it has to do with Germany and with the macroeconomic architecture of the euro: it can't work. Since 2001, and against agreements, Germany put enormous pressure on wages: wages did not increase in sinc with productivity, but remained far below it. The consequence of this was that, by 2010, the Germans will able to produce a product and sell it in the EU for 15 % cheaper than an basically identical product made in France. With Greece, the difference was 25 %. This is how Germany exported its unemployment across the union, how it created unemployment everywhere else, how, year after year, it accumulates record trade surpluses that end up in German banks that borrow it to us so we can buy more cheap German products.

France did never did anything 'wrong,' it followed the wage rule, it was not over it and it was not under it. Now France is bleeding. Greece went over: wages increased faster than rises in productivity, but it was, all by all, not that much and it should not have been important. Now you can say, what's wrong with it, isn't that competition? Isn't that the name of the game, trying to sell your products cheaper than your competitors. No, it is not. It's mere mercantalism, it is as stupid as it gets. The German policies destroyed demand everywhere in Europe, up to the point that there is deflation everywhere. It is called Japanese disease: deflation, high and persistent unemployment and a low rate of investment. There is only one way out of this and that is to let wages rise. But no one understands that, although there is a clear historical precedent: in the 1920s the golden standard created basically the same imbalances as we have now but politicians from whatever stripe or colour continue to swear by it - we know where it ended. The euro will go down the same road if no changes will be made. In the meantime, let just suck the living daylight out of the Greeks and turn the place into a protectorate. But it won't help. It is not a new problem, it is an old problem. Wages have to rise, social welfare allowances and pensions have to rise, the ridiculous and idiotic obsession with decreasing the government deficit as a priority has to be left behind, instead priority has to be given to bringing the aggregate private debt down and up to the day that this happens there will be no growth anywhere - for those who believe that the conservatives are doing a great job: look at manufacturing output, look at productivity growth (ridiculous), look at the investment rate (still way below 2008) - these factors and pretty much nothing else determine growth, not financialisation, not the insane inflation of real estate. Either we change or we'll become developing countries. For the truth is that if Greece is bankrupt, no one else is far off.


luella zarf Cigars 16 Jul 2015 20:07

You have not addressed the most horrible fact which was that the German officials conspired for years to use Grexit to manipulate other EU states into giving up their sovereignty, which is black on white in Geithner's memoirs. Yet you go on with the same moralistic crap: that nobody forced Greece to do this or that. Which tells me that you do not have an ethical bone in your body, because that is Dark Vader shit.

But I'm not going to bother to deconstruct all your ideological nonsense, it's not worth my time and energy, I'll just copypaste again Mark Blyth's ending from his article in Foreign Affairs:

''To fix the problem, someone in core Europe is going to have to own up to all of the above and admit that their money wasn't given to lazy Greeks but to already-bailed bankers who, despite a face-value haircut, ended up making a profit on the deal.''

No surprise there, like in any casino, the house never loses.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/greece/2015-07-07/pain-athens


Allen57 16 Jul 2015 19:44

Central Europe is painting Greece as the naughty boy, while Spain and Portugal are the good little boys who did what they were told and imposed painful austerity on their peoples. This is the colonial tactic of divide and rule.

The truth is that the euro enriches Central Europe and impoverishes the periphery. All the PIIGS faced painful choices after the 2008 crash as a result. The Spanish wrote off the chances of their young people. The Greeks tried to blag, bluster and fight their way out. Central Europe want everybody to think about how terrible the Spanish and the Greeks are for making these different bad choices. Actually, Central Europe are the villains (not only Germany but also Benelux and Finland).

They used to say that you should not have monetary union without political union. We should now say: Monetary union without political union is perfect, if you want a mechanism for central imperial domination of their peripheral colonies.


maricaangela CarolusB 16 Jul 2015 19:38

Thanks for your polite reply, Charles. I too know many people from those areas and have lived in Serbia and Croatia, as well as Germany.

Yes, the poor will suffer most, but rather than blame Syriza entirely, I think two irreconcilable ideologies came up against each other, and there was no room for manouevre at all, to move to a logical and helpful conclusion.

This is a terrible deal for Greece - it doesn't even avert disaster, just makes it more long-winded and painful - and a terrible deal for the tax payers footing the bill. So who should we blame? As the saying goes, 'The fish rots from the head'. The EUs weak leadership has meant they have co-opted German politicians, who are unfortunately equally wedded to failed economics and have too much 'inat' to change course, and possibly too much to lose politically?

Greek elites, also wedded to the same system, long ago placed their country in this unpleasant position. While I acknowledge that Greece must reform, many think the reforms the Troika wishes for are not the best ones to achieve results, lacking fairness and justice, and again penalising the poorest sections of Greek society. Both Germany and Greece, pushed by the EU to be the stars of this drama, are engaged in an impossible stand off.

Why do you only blame Syriza? Why not the lack of oversight of the EU, the corrupt behaviour of the previous Greek governments, and the fact that within the EU, since 2008, the Banks have not been regulated or checked but continually bailed out and the recipients of enormous funds from QE? Why has Germany made the taxpayers of Europe fund the Bank's bailouts?

This is a catastrophic situation and exposes democracy in peril. I am sure in Germany, opinion is also split, and can understand that all those carrying the load are equally fed up, but I do think people should think more clearly about how we got here.I do not see apportioning blame appropriate any more but I see no contrition from the EU, nor any desire to change the trajectory of policy, however unpopular it increasingly becomes, and when even the IMF says it will no longer work.

The EU should have made sure Greece was solvent before membership, and they have thrown good money after bad. Do you think they are competent decision makers, and why do they carry on protecting the Banks at the expense of taxpayers? In fact, Varafoukis wanted a Grexit, he couldn't find the means to do it, and in a way, he and Schauble obviously separately thought that was the better option, and it would have been in accord with the results of the referendum that was held in Greece.

I'm sorry, but you do not offer explanations of these anomalies, while only blaming Syriza, a government in power for only 6 months, and constantly negotiating in that time to stave off disaster, when this crisis has been dragging on for years.

Austerity has been proven not to work, and yet the medicine is still administered, even though it kills the patient (and in the end, the nurse(!), no doubt). Obama rejected it, Osborne is no longer following it in reality, numerous economists reject it's value. Yet here we are with more austerity for Greece, none for the Banks, Financial Institutions and elites who have taken the money out of Greece, and placed it in foreign banks and tax havens.

I am very sorry for the taxpayers who are footing the bill, and the Greek people. I am not sorry for those who will not take any responsibility for their mistakes, and I will vote to go out of the EU. I cannot, on principle, vote to stay in such a misguided institution which holds in contempt the citizens of Europe, and upholds elitism and corruption.

I do not think the Greek governments are innocent, but I find it very hard to find any innocents among the leaders here. As usual, the people who had no say in these events will pay the highest price, whether Germans, Greeks, Finns, Slovenians - let's hope they remember when next they vote in elections.

I wish you well, in the hope we might have light at the end of the tunnel eventually!


Santiago Barreiro Jim Jetson 16 Jul 2015 19:36

Half of my family live in Spain, and they´re pretty honest taxpayers, well-meaning townsfolk. Since the EU showed up and the EURO replaced the peseta, the quality of life there has decreased. The issue in the eurozone isn´t honest vs. dishonest countries, but rich vs. poor countries. France is noticeably corrupt, improductive and with a bloated, inefficient bureaucracy and they haven´t suffered. Simply because they´re rich enough so an overvalued currency doesn´t affect them.


luella zarf -> Cigars 16 Jul 2015 19:33

Mark Blyth, a noted economist, has a recent article in Foreign Affairs, subtitled Why Greece Isn't to Blame for the Crisis: ''According the Bank of International Settlements, by 2010 when the crisis hit, French banks held the equivalent of nearly 465 billion euros in so-called impaired periphery assets, while German banks had 493 billion on their books.''

The article explains the mechanisms through which the banks were bailed out and even made a profit despite the alleged haircut which ends up like this: "To fix the problem, someone in core Europe is going to have to own up and admit that their money wasn't given to lazy Greeks but to already-bailed bankers who, despite a face-value haircut, ended up making a profit on the deal.'' https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/greece/2015-07-07/pain-athens


HoolyK maricaangela 16 Jul 2015 19:17

Look, ... there are a ton of countries and peoples around the world who would love to be like Germany and the Germans ... a disciplined, cultured, technologically advanced people with a successful economy. Like China and Russia for example, their leaders are basically aping the Germans, trying to turn their countries into bigger versions of Germany. Greece has an opportunity for direct German rule that can turn it into a mini-Germany, but with sun and beaches. Why not take this offer? Because the Greeks, ever since independence from the Ottoman Empire has not shown itself very worthy of self rule. Why shy away? After all, Greece once had a German prince upon its thrown, and Greece's very flag is based upon the colors of Bavaria. The alternative is wallowing in Balkan mediocrity and Mediterranean sloth.


duke_widin 16 Jul 2015 18:53

This week has made a mockery of monetary union as a path to a united democratic Europe and opened the way for the eurozone's breakup.

Greece is important for the EU that's why every aspect is analysed and discussed but, still small fry... Greece needs the the 3rd time bailed out in 5 years,this makes it hard to understand how the program works . I read columns and articles here in the Guardian from economy professors who don't seem to understand how solid the Euro zone is set up in contrast to the USDollar who still got a private central bank the FED something even the UK gave up more as 75 years ago ....

However,the euro has the highest combined value of banknotes and coins in circulation in the entire world and in only 15 years(the US Dollar took ca.150 years) it has become the second reserve currency after the USDollar without any other competitor in sight....

The EU with over 500 million inhabitants in this short time has became the world most potent and biggest consumer market..
And now the EU will find a even greater stability in more political integration...


darkwhy ShiresofEngland 16 Jul 2015 18:36

And the blatant absence of due diligence. When a loan shark lends money there is no due diligence, just fear and the breaking of bones.
Lack of due diligence was the major driver behind the sub-prime mortgage crime-all the way to the top. They [the bankers] got of with it Scot -free and kept on awarding themselves £$billions while their victims suffer without end[the poor in the Uk for one


luella zarf -> Cigars 16 Jul 2015 18:30

The lenders were more than willing to help if economic reforms were implement.

This a shameless lie, that reform were not implemented (why are you doing this? didn't your mummy teach you basic morality?). If you search the website OECD Going for growth 2015, you will find a chart called OECD Going for growth reform responsiveness, average 2007-1014 showing that Greece leads the OECD reform ranking.

The problem is that austerity is a ruinous idiotic policy and the reforms have thrown Greece into a 1933-style depression. Unemployment in Greece is over 25 percent now, higher than the United States during the Great Depression.

The lenders were not considering Grexit.

Unfortunately for all of you the trolling trolls who promote this propagandistic bullshit, in 2014 Timothy Geithner, US Secretary of the Treasury 2009-2013 published his Memoirs, where he details how he met Schauble in 2012. Well well, and Mr Schauble told him that kicking the Greeks out of the eurozone was a desirable strategy because "a Grexit would be traumatic enough that it would help scare the rest of Europe into giving up more sovereignty to a stronger banking and fiscal union".
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/30/business/dealbook/the-hard-line-on-greece.html

Translation: Since 2012, the Germans have attempted to throw Greece under the bus in order to manipulate other states to give up their sovereignty to the bankers! You can't make this up if you tried it! Disgusting.


8911steven Jim Jetson 16 Jul 2015 18:21

No taxpayers lent money to Greece : that was private banks. This only became a problem for European taxpayers when the troika decided in 2010 to take over responsibility for the debts, thereby transferring liability from bankers to taxpayers. They then imposed macroeconomic policies which gutted the Greek economy making it unlikely European taxpayers would ever get much of their money back . The newspapers really have got you hating the oppressed and loving your oppressors, haven`t they ?


HolyInsurgent 16 Jul 2015 18:05

Seumas Milne: A eurozone nakedly dominated by one state, Germany, enforcing destructive austerity on its vassals with such brutality, can have no enduring legitimacy.

Ironically including for Germany when it enters an inevitable recession in the boom-and-bust cycle. Then watch German politicans and economists howl when their surrounding markets have all been crippled by Germany's "success." What goes around comes around. And Germany will learn this hard lesson too late.

What kind of a union of partners treats one of its members like a recalcitrant colony, destroys its economy if it steps out of line, and dismisses its democracy as an impudent affront? In fact it's one that has always ducked democratic accountability, embedded deregulation and privatisation in treaties, and preferred to fix policy – including the race-to-the-bottom Transatlantic Trade Investment Partnership – with corporate interests in secret.

Agreed. The neoliberal policies of the Troika are the culprit and require re-evaluation before there are intra-European boycotts...or worse.


maricaangela CarolusB 16 Jul 2015 17:51

The mindset of the Balkans is not easily understood by Western Europe. Cut off from their cultural Christian roots by the Ottomans for centuries, deeply divided and distrustful, forced to fight for freedom from their occupiers, and centuries of begging for any favour, job, or entitlement,have left them with a deep distrust of the State (hence the endemic non-payment of taxes even now they have self rule) yet eager to be part of the Europe they were separated and distanced from for so long. Same goes for other countries, e.g. Bulgaria, Romania, and Hungary and the former Jugoslav states, on similar lines, often uniting to fight the Ottomans, but otherwise quarreling over borders, land and ethnic divisions, and divided in WWs by forces beyond their control. This is not foremost in the national mindsets now, but is deeply subconscious, rather like our sabres are rattled at Germany/Prussia in an almost visceral way, and despite the jokes about us and the French, we look to them to show a united front against any German encroachment of our powers. Unfortunately, German actions have ignited that subconscious fear, of being cast out, isolated and alone. So they grab at straws for now.

I guess this historical sense of being forced apart from the rest of the continent, yet fighting two WWs alongside the allies (with Serbia) makes them feel they are safer in than out, even though that position may be very tenuous. People in continental Europe are eager for peace and tolerant of their neighbours only to a certain degree, and in the Balkans this is exacerbated by a deep inferiority complex of being pawns in the games of the bigger powers, and deeply misunderstood.

In a similar sense, Serbs have a lot of contempt for Milosevic, yet feel outraged that Britain, a former ally bombed them. This burns them deeper than their own politicians, who they expect to be venal and corrupt and do nothing good for them. Thus Greece is behind Syriza because they are the best they've had for a long time, they are willing to include the people who were denied a voice for so long, yet have ultimately ended up with a terrible deal. These countries feel martyred by all sides, like victims of their own and others, so they make, for us, strange decisions, it's true.


inmateN7 16 Jul 2015 17:48

Any of us in the UK who have been at the sharp end of our incumbent governments' austerity programme can only feel sympathy for the people of Greece, who have been well and truly shafted by this 'fix'. However, this does not justify a knee-jerk, one-size-fits-all assumption that both we and Greece, would be better out of the EC.
For Greece, a forced exit may be the only outcome, but they have their reasons for wanting to stay in the EC, they are not masochists. While we in the UK have always been cynical of the 'provisions' of EC membership, I don't think we're half as cynical as those on the continent, many of whom underwent near stratospheric inflation when they swapped their currencies. Membership is not a dictatorship, it's always up for negotiation, and what we need are the leaders and representatives to navigate this negotiation in a mature and truly democratic way. Sure TTIP gives me the fear, and there's a lot to argue against, but I still feel more secure about the nations of Europe being united in a common purpose, and not fracturing under different ideologies, returning to eyeing each other with jingoistic suspicion...

Alarmcall 16 Jul 2015 17:30

All Europe should be questioning whether this European Union has lost its way, has strayed too far from the enlightened founding principles of the Treaty of Rome, has forgotten their purpose to prevent history repeating the fateful folly of letting bankers exploit workers, keeping working conditions harsh, spreading impoverishment, fanning nationalism and seeding revolt and warfare.

The European Union, not just the Euro Zone, is now at risk of being destroyed by stupidity, bruised egos, weak visionless collective leadership and no clear chain of command. The so called leaders need to wake up to the lack of Unity at the heart of both the Eurozone and the wider EU. Too many countries are preoccupied with self interest, not sharing, and not uniting under the EU flag; this includes the shameful United Kingdom government.


Market makers do not plan for or buy long term security, they simply exploit opportunity for profit. Markets will let a population starve, they will let a nation go bankrupt regardless of the suffering, they will let a nation be defenceless, they will pollute and disrupt the biosphere for as long as governments let them, unless they are paid not to.


Markets corrupt governments to put GDP growth above responsibility for people or life on Earth. Anything that gets in the way of greed driven corporations making more profits is ignored, denied or if needs be fought by mercenary intermediaries paid to misinform, to make political donations and provide other reward channels to lure away opposition. Above all they rely on selfishness dominating community.

Markets are in conflict with the needed good governance of this planet now that humans are changing the conditions that have enabled us to flourish.

As the last three decades have shown, markets push government towards ever more deregulation, and lower taxes to increase debt driven unconstrained growth of consumption, regardless of financial risk to individuals, or countries, and without heeding the clear scientific evidence that pollution of the atmosphere with greenhouse gasses is causing a speed of global warming that will in a lifetime radically change the climate system with catastrophic consequences for the stability of civilisation around the planet.

The citizens of all the member states of the European Union need to come to their senses and reflect on these matters. The European Union has not responded well to the internal economic problems of the Euro Zone nor the wider EU, nor major international problems, because the member states retain the real power and they act like slaves to blindly further this out of control corporate machine, that is taking their countries on a suicidal route to savage resource wars in a hungry climate ravaged world.

For too long Europe has relied upon leadership from the United States, but the US Congress has been neutered by the misuse of the power and wealth of Corporations.

We can see the result in the staggeringly huge government debts in America and across the EU including Britain. These are primarily down to rescuing commercial banks that were going bust and governments taxing far too little at the expense of a bleak future for the young.


The loans to Greece were designed to rescue European banks, transfer the debt to taxpayers, and through harsh terms provide more opportunities for buying up Greek distressed assets by commercial vultures.

This dangerous global banking system needs putting back in its box. Global problems can only be solved by responsible governance.

The three decades of cut taxes, de-regulate, "small government is best", started in the 1980's has corrupted and crippled the West with runaway greed, destroyed global economic stability through debt, deepened inequality and through damage to the biosphere is undermining the stability of the climate, the habitable zones, and the food and water resources that have made modern large scale civilisation possible.


Europe should say no to TTIP, no to ISDS and concentrate on making Europe united and self sufficient.

This highly dangerous century is no time for Europe to revert to small disagreeable countries led by blinkered narrow minded leaders. Europe must find leaders with the courage and the vision to stand up for the high principles of the Treaty of Rome and put a real Union into the heart of Europe.

It is time for a new Europe to emerge under new leadership with a proper Federal Democratic Structure. There is no way back to pre 2007. There will be no good way forward to manage this isolated rock in space for mutual benefit without a real United States of Europe influencing the fast approaching global choice between war and peace.

YouHaveComment -> soundofthesuburbs 16 Jul 2015 17:29

It's the new Osborne Consensus.

Socialism and Keynesianism for the rich.
Austerity for the rest of us.


Garry Coll 16 Jul 2015 17:28

The recent, and ongoing, Greek episode of the Eurozone soap opera borders on the absurd.

Notwithstanding the excellent article above by Mr Milne, it seems that there is more to this than a conflict between Greece and its Eurozone partners.
When the threat of default loomed several weeks ago, the Greek government said in plain language, we can't pay this.

To which they were told, pay up, because if you go into default we will have to take serious action like kick you out of the Euro and possibly the EU also.

So Greece went into default by not paying a tranche of it agreement with the IMF.

To which they were told, alright now that you're in default you must accept this bailout or we'll kick you out of the Euro and possibly the EU also.

Grand said Greece, we'll put your bailout proposal to the people in a referendum. And the Greek people in a democratic plebiscite voted against the bailout proposal.

After which Greece defaulted again on an IMF payment.

To which they were told, here are our final bailout


Kenny6501 16 Jul 2015 17:25

The 50B was the amount of holdings the government was supposed to privatize from the last package. In the last rescue package, the implication is that the european and germans agree to trust that the Greeks will manage these sales themselves to pay for the loans that the other countries have put in (primarily Germany and France, but even the poorer baltics chipped in). So selling these assets from the previous rescue was a "we trust the greeks to do what is right" - the equivalent of a call from our bank reminding you to sell your 3rd or 4th condo to pay for the 5th one to reduce your debt to the bank.

The 50B is now a forced sale because the last one didn't happen and only 7B of asset sale was in place, of which Syriza tried to reverse at least one (the port in Piraeus), the structure of explicitly saying 50B has to be sold is just one step below the equivalent of the Germans sending Guido in with a process server to repossess your nice furniture. It's what happens when your lender no longer trusts you.


YouHaveComment 16 Jul 2015 17:25

Plan to save Europe

1 - Direct elections for the EU Commission - we have to be able to vote them out.
2 - None of this TTIP / BIT nonsense of negotiating away the democratic will of the people behind closed doors.
3 - Direct elections for the EU Commission - we have to be able to vote them out.
4 - Euro to be reformed so that no country ever again gets to be in Greece's or Germany's position.
5 - Direct elections for the EU Commission - we have to be able to vote them out.
6 - There is no point 6.
7 - Direct elections for the EU Commission - we have to be able to vote them out.

(with apols to Monty Python)


luella zarf AnotherBerliner 16 Jul 2015 17:20

The principle is called "No taxation without representation" (that is, European taxpayers have the right to decide how their tax money is spent, including if on loans to Greece).

Actually, when the Troika coerced Greece to accept the bailout in 2011, Papandreou didn't want to sign without a public mandate and tried to organize a referendum, but the Eurocrats immediately ousted him and buried the referendum and now Greeks are saddled with this huge unpayable debt for which they have never voted. What democracy, what representation?!

People have no idea of what the sociopaths at the top did in order to save the gambling German, French, British and American banks, and now are screaming for blood, but the Greeks were not allowed to vote either.


umweltAT2100 16 Jul 2015 17:19

Everything Mr. Milne has written is factually correct - it is a horror scenario!

A real shocker and an alarming eye-opener was the letter in the Guardian by Elmar Brok* supposedly addressed to Mr Tsipras but clearly aimed at making known that the German CDU/CSU avowed intention was to rid the Greeks of this terrible Syriza government that they had democratically elected and re-endorsed in the subsequent referendum. It was also to prepare the ground for Schäubles' secret master-plan** (that wasn't shared or agreed to by the other Euro countries) Grexit for 5 years, at the end of which Greece probably would not qualify to re-enter the Euro.

A lot of anti-bailout rabble-rousing seems to have been beaten up by the German Bild newspaper – and national hostility was so high, that the SPD party leader Gabriel joined his CDU/CSU coalition partners against any debt relieve or restructuring of the repayment terms. (So even without Murdoch the media can be a deadly instrument – or is he running the Bild!)

The way the Troika mismanaged this whole catastrophic, short-sighted/visionless and merciless episode has done irreparable damage to the EU, and its nations states see quite plainly that it is not Greek that cannot be trusted, but that strong nationalistic and right-wing governments are all speaking with different voices, and like the Tower of Babel, the whole thing is in danger of imploding. The EU has also goofed up badly on issues like Ukraine and Mediterranean migrants over the last two years.

The Greeks have suffered irreparable damage – chaos, confusion, not knowing whether they could still get a few Euro out of the bank to buy essentials, anger at being humiliated, terrified of what the next day's disasters would hold in store for them, the country crippled and grinding to a halt right at the beginning of the tourist season which is one of the main sources of income. At the same time, like Italy, Greece is handling a steady flow of Mediterranean migrants, over 68,000 this year alone. And now they are force to sell their port of Piraeus, so any profits will go to its new owners, probably China.

Killing the European Project by Paul Krugman
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/07/12/killing-the-european-project/?smid=tw-NytimesKrugman&seid=auto&_r=1

Mr Tsipras, we need to rebuild trust before we can talk | Elmar Brok | Comment is free | The Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/06/tsipras-restore-trust-greece-eu
*Profile: Elmar Brok is a German MEP, CDU* member, and chairman of the European parliament committee on foreign affairs

**Wolfgang Schaeuble: Germany's man with a Grexit plan - BBC News
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33511387


RocketSurgeon 16 Jul 2015 17:18

Great article, and why I put the Guardian above all other UK media sources for unbiased reporting.

Predatory Lending is illegal, and the EU and ECB and the German banks reasonably knew that the last bailouts were beyond Greece ability to repay.
So now money created out of thin air [loaned into existence], is now franked and made solid and legit, and Greece's hard assets are nailed down as collateral for the lenders to rob Greece of its few real assets.

The banks have taken over, and democracy and votes are just symbols with no real value.

This is our future. Elected Governments being dictated to by Corporations and Banks, and Nations swindled in clear day light out in the open.
Just my opinion.


goudar30 maricaangela 16 Jul 2015 17:15

Yes an evident consequence , my comment was not meant to be offensive , but sarcastic towards this absurd situation & the huge gap between cold technocracy and the hardship of the weakest , I think it is and will become more & more a serious matter for every single european Citizen,

Those kind of outrageous policies are bound to bring suffering.to people and not only in Greece , more and more weakened people are suffering from those ideologies. in many Eu countries.

and these days , many -& more then politicians may wish- feel & are greek .

decisivemoment Wiseaftertheevent 16 Jul 2015 17:14

No they damned well are not. In many cases private European banks made reckless loans to private entities in Greece, and now they demand 100 cents plus on the Euro in bailout. In any loan situation, part of the responsibility is on the lender. To have it any other way you'll ultimately blow the system up; lenders would do whatever they could get away with and it would take capitalism itself down. But that now seems to be the mentality of the German finance ministry, and most of the rest of the EU is bending down for it.

This changes everything for 2017 in the UK. Everything. Whose situation do you prefer, Iceland, or Greece? I think the answer to that is easy, the one with the glaciers and the herring. And for the EU to survive, and Britain to survive in it, the choice CANNOT be limited to those two options. Yet limiting to those two is precisely what the German approach does.


maricaangela Alfie Silva 16 Jul 2015 17:10

In Croatia, the same has happened. For short term profit for their broke economy, the politicians loaned them to the Chinese who stuck high tolls on them, far too expensive for locals to use and which even Swiss and Austrian tourists try to avoid. Thus the old, and bad roads, are blocked in summer, and busy in winter, with these new highways empty.

I heard in Spain the same problem exists. No sense at all.


FOARP Charliezulu 16 Jul 2015 17:05

Greece already received debt-relief in 2012 to the tune of more than 100 billion Euros, in the form of a 50% hari cut on private loans (those evil "banksters" everyone keeps blaming for this crisis received 50 cents back for every euro they originally lent Greece). Why should she receive more such largesse?

sacco TeutonClown 16 Jul 2015 16:29

I would love to see what would happen if Germany had that big a problem.

I am pretty sure Germany would not have received a single bail-out, let alone three.

Germany, together with France, already had just this kind of problem in 2009–10 and on to 2012, when they vetoed any proposal to restructure massive debts that were clearly unpayable after the global banking crash in order to protect the exposure of their own banks.

While other countries were forced to bear the major costs of re-capitalising their own banking systems, German banks had vast tranches of their bad debts bought out at above the market rate by programmes such as SMP; those that remained in the private sector were marked down to less than 47% in 2012 (and even that was more than they were worth). Ironically, given your comment, it is precisely the bill for their portion of these debts that is currently being used to keep Greece under the heel.

The unfathomable sums that have to be raised according to en endless series of deadlines that have rendered normal political responsibility impossible in Greece -the Troika has thus far seen off three governments, five Prime Ministers, and eight ministers of Finance- serve nothing more than to make scheduled repayments on these even though they were officially declared unpayable in 2010 - if they weren't unpayable losses, then why were the Eurozone rules violated by bailing out the banks with programmes such as SMP? No Greek government can hope to make any impression on this cause of permanent tribute as, without control over their own policy priorities and with the Eurozone & ECB policies acting to maximise uncertainty over their future trajectory -the very opposite of the support that should be offered to build the confidence required to promote investment- the numbers are simply too big in relation to the diminished Greek economy.

Yet they are forced to continue with the endless irrelevance of this coercive and corrosive mill of debt recycling, because otherwise the the political masters will force the ECB (contrary to its mandate) to shut down Greek banks, just as we have seen.

To sum up: Germany has already had its bail-out through its banks. They have proved sufficiently powerful -and ill-advised- to saddle the full bill on the Greeks, the least able to pay. The longer-term results will be to stall and even reverse progress on many aspects of the European project that has served German prosperity so well, and to promote the rise of far-right populist nationalism in both Greece and Germany (and likely in France and elsewhere too).

maricaangela Nanome 16 Jul 2015 16:28

Yes, I was thinking the right wing voters are most hypocritical, even in their condemnation of the EU, because they vote for the same neoliberal ideology that got Greece into this mess, for their own nations!

The Left is hypocritical until now, because ideology blurred their vision and their judgement, but at least they don't vote for it at home.

Ideology and dogma is dangerous. Right and left are now vague concepts with little solid principle involved. The main principle with Greece is that democracy itself is threatened when Corporations and Banks make the rules, and politicians from all sides are their puppets.

ShiresofEngland TheMarxOfProgress 16 Jul 2015 16:14

Greece isn't blameless and who can fault Eurozone taxpayers for not wanting to keep funnelling cash to them?

Do you mean that EZ taxpayers should expect those debts in 2010 to stay as bank debts, and Article 125 of the Treaty of Lisbon to be upheld which if the EU/ECB/IMF had played with a straight bat then it would have been a default in 2010.

Didn't happen did it? Those who ask themselves why leaves a bitter taste in the mouth if they are europhiles.


JensBa mp66 16 Jul 2015 16:08

There was a secret plan, that 4-5 people had worked out. But their was no decision to implement it from the leadership of Syriza, which would have been necessary. For details see the interview of Varoufakis with New Statesman.


ShiresofEngland 16 Jul 2015 16:06

What kind of a union of partners treats one of its members like a recalcitrant colony, destroys its economy if it steps out of line, and dismisses its democracy as an impudent affront? In fact it's one that has always ducked democratic accountability, embedded deregulation and privatisation in treaties, and preferred to fix policy – including the race-to-the-bottom Transatlantic Trade Investment Partnership – with corporate interests in secret.

The EUSSR

OMG not that tired old cliche, and I put it in bold! You can spot me walking the streets as I am the handsome chap wearing a "Told You So" T shirt. [Smugness mode off]

There is always one big drawback of being a eurosceptic, and it isn't the irritant of being called racists, loonies and fruitcakes. The real problem is when we are right it always come at a heavy price, and today the Greek people are paying that price. Euroloon zealots will test to destruction their beliefs which always comes at the expense of the 'little people'. Those poor buggers like all of us just trying to get by and do what is right for ourselves and families.

This deal for Greece is vicious stupidity of the highest order. It is unworkable, and nobody wants it other than the banksters and the euroloons. The silver lining is many europhiles are having second thoughts as the EU's mask has slipped. It is always hard to make a U turn, but I did as once one myself (yep honestly!). I commend those who have changed their position and offer a welcome to the darkside.


inLondon10 16 Jul 2015 16:05

Costas Lapivitsas from the left platform of Syriza, Larry Elliot from the Guardian, Ambrose Evans Pritchard from the Telegraph are not necessarily political soul mates but all make convincing arguments that,with the current terms on offer, Greece would be better out of the Euro. Surely the most constructive way forward is for Tsipras and the EU to organise a way out of the Euro with as little damage as possible.


vicepopeeric Wolfgang Amadeus 16 Jul 2015 16:02

Lets see, we gave the banks almost a quadrillion dollars for f***ing up the economy by gambling with other peoples money.
Greece has had about 370 billion dollars (works out at about 3.7% of what we gave the banks). Of that 370 billion dollars, only about 10% actually went to the Greeks, the rest went to banks to pay other banks.

No its NOT the economy stupid it's PEOPLE that count.


Drewv PolydentateBrigand 16 Jul 2015 16:01

Immolation, crucifixion, waterboarding... stop this emotive hyperbole.

These are accurate descriptions. Your "generous loan" will be used almost entirely to pay the interest on a debt that will never be repaid, to German and French banks.

The country isn't bankrupt, that is the entire fucking point. Bankrupt countries get major debt relief.


candy44maker JohnG4 16 Jul 2015 15:59

There are but a few German banks affected!

Some interesting Infographics:

The Greeks will need to hire 180 truck drivers to transport the money.

Who Loaned Greece the Money?

Greece owes a lot of money to a lot of people, and it's not at all that German or French banks are affected. Check out who loaned the money.

Information Date: 2012 February. Source: EBA (European Banking Authority)

Greece meanwhile owes to their lenders 0.5 trillion Euro. They claim that only 10% was spent on the Greek people, and 90% of the money lent was going back to foreign banks. This is simply not true. Approx. 30% of the money was used for the annual budget in Greece, about 35% was spent to make loan payments and approx. 35% of the money left Greece and was transferred to offshore bank accounts.


Some interesting graphics:

http://demonocracy.info/infographics/eu/debt_greek/debt_greek.html


AngrySkeptic 16 Jul 2015 15:51

I was raised to have a horror of clubs and organizations with memberships. Do not see why a country would want to be a member of a club, especially when the economic disparities are so great. The EU can never operate like the USA, because every one of the countries in it as a long and different history, different language and culture. To run efficiently it will have to imitate the former USSR and develop a dictatorial central administration. Seems that Merkel has grasped that fact. Arbeit macht Frei will be the watchword and goodbye to La dolce vita.

Drewv -> SimpleOldSailor 16 Jul 2015 15:46

So the Eurozone breaks up, in that case the winners will be the big banks and the other leeches that live off the blood stream of international finance.

Will theybe? Their short-term losses would be enormous, with vast amounts of public and private debt being written off as the dominoes start falling. International finance as a whole would take a pounding worse than in 2007/2008.


DomesticExtremist hood 16 Jul 2015 15:36

That is to expect neo-liberal high priests in Brussels to dismantle their own temple.

It's not going to happen.


maricaangela wondrinfree 16 Jul 2015 15:32

Did it occur to you that the EU has changed in recent years. It is now run by right wing governments who promote a failed austerity and a failed banking system. A decade ago, it was full of socialist governments who went on a spending spree. The Banks were the winners in both cases, but now the poorest pay with unemployment, rights taken, and assets stripped, while those who benefitted most still enjoy their riches and stack money away in tax havens.

Mistakes have been made, but those who should be paying are still at the party, while those who had no hand in all this have been kicked into the gutter.

Oligarchy is winning, with the support and help of political elites.


Seppo Janhonen feliciafarrel 16 Jul 2015 15:28

Good comment. I share your view of the idea of truth and honour as well as most - as I believe - of us Finns. The Greek catastrophy is right now shaking our trust to the honesty, reliability and endurance of the European project. It´s interesting how the views of single Europian citizens are being shaped in these days. Many of us are asking why on earth we are paying the debts of a state that is not willing (and obviously not able either) to manage its own businesses. Mr. Tsipras is not much respected in Finland right now.

Also the EU membership will without doubt enjoy less support in future; The Guardian itself encourages this development by stating the simple truth that a small country like Finland has no influence in decision making in EU. That´s what we have seen right now although our leaders have maintained it´s important to sit at the table where the decisions are made. Well, the results can be seen... Why stay in an immoral society like (euro group) or even EU? Therefore it is probable that there will start processes to quit euro or even EU in my country.

Who knows whether one day the EU countries Greece, Finland and Britain on extreme sides of our continent share one more thing in common? That´s quitting EU.


AngrySkeptic WitNit 16 Jul 2015 15:26

It's all very well to talk in objective terms such as "public finance". The problem is what the people of the country will be forced to live through and have been living through foe a while. Is it absolutely necessary that they should? Probably not. Is this what a united Europe means? Probably. Is this what a united Europe should be? I think not.


oxleydan CarolusB 16 Jul 2015 15:05

Well the 18 EZ governments can send their CCJs or whatever to the muppets that took out the loans in the first place, rather than sacrificing the entire civilian population.

And can you see any possible issues with medicine that kills the patient? If the terms of the bailout further reduce demand in the Greek economy, thereby actually reducing the prospects of economic growth necessary for paying back the loans, then you have to question the motivation behind the terms of the bailout. Is it motivated by a punitive desire to make an example of Greece, to deter Spain, Italy and Portugal? In other words, it's political rather than economic.


Alfie Silva -> feliciafarrel 16 Jul 2015 15:04

Your propaganda goes against all that is decent and correct.

You may accuse me of propaganda, but I have no axe to grind nor vested interest to protect.

In Portugal, every graduate who graduates, is another graduate who leaves Portugal. Or they stay and find work in McDonalds. If they can get it.

The Euro may have benefited a small number of Portuguese, but the majority are fed up. They may not be as vocal as the Greeks, but the next macro-economic shock to hit Europe will change that.


cascade14 16 Jul 2015 15:04

The "crucifixion" of Greece is only an outward manifestation of the true intentions of the EU, which are most often hidden within the myriad of Directives, Regulations and Decisions that are produced with Teutonic efficiency and, which are designed to control, subliminally, every aspect of the lives of all of those who have been mesmerised by the lure of a European Utopia.

The cruelty inflicted upon the Greek population is a PR aberration and error by the EU, brought about by the unexpected temerity of the Greeks to dare to express their wishes, nay despair, through a democratic process of a Referendum which stands in stark opposition to the ideals of Empire building and subjugation of the masses; which is essential to the expansion of the EU.

The side effect of which is to try to keep in line those other "none- believers" who might wish to put their heads above the parapet and say "Boo" to Merkel and Schauble.


LanceLee Wolfgang Amadeus 16 Jul 2015 15:04

It has long ceased to be about money.

Even on the level of money, the current 'deal' is an absurdity: it amounts to loaning more money to Greece which cannot pay back the money it already owes. This goes on, bizarrely, because among other realities the Euro zone institutions make money from these loans, a sum currently standing at 1.9 billion Euros. It pays to devastate Greece. We could all be in total agreement that Greece pay everything back- and be faced with the conundrum an impoverished society that cannot meet its own needs can hardly meet outside debtors' without incurring more debt. What is needed, if money is what we're talking about, is a plan that provides for growth to provide the money to repay debt. It's really very simple.

Well, let them 'Grexit' and default... Really? Repay none of the 240 billion and climbing Euro debt? Another great idea.

The problem is that if the solution really isn't very hard to imagine, sparking a reasoned growth with reform, allowing for debt repayment and national functioning, there is a political investment primarily on Germany's part in a policy called 'austerity' that has no intellectual or economic justification that in effect says: 'in hard time, raise taxes and cut spending'. We could as well call this the rebirth of the economic policies of Herbert Hoover. But values like 'thrift' 'responsibility' 'integrity' have been high-jacked by this theory, so that advising a modern Keynesian policy as has been carried out in the United States with such radically different, and better results, compared to the Euro zone, is tantamount to these misguided politicos to 'profligacy'. Worse, having invested their political capital in this approach, predominantly German inspired, the Euro zone leaders have denied themselves the possibility of a rational settlement.

So I find myself in the very odd position of agreeing with Seumas Milne, who is a bright person but whose views I usually find exaggerated to the point of absurdity. How odd to think Mrs. Merkel has so bungled things that she has made Milne right.


Lafcadio1944 16 Jul 2015 14:46

The European project has long sense been dead. Apparently commentators and just now figuring this out and far far to late. Europe through the maneuvering of Germany especially under Merkel has taken over Europe and now acts as its overseer. Through German writing of the "rules" to its own advantage and then being the enforcer of the rules essentially has turned the once proud nations of Europe into German bantustans. No country or even group of countries can now leave the EZ without serious and prolonged economic suffering, and staying in they have only the opportunity of offering the equivalent of -0- hour feudal work for a pittance, insuring their perpetual poverty.

These are the present conditions and it remains to be seen whether or not the people of Europe are going to do anything about it but history shows that people are obedient to power to the point of digging their own graves as the Greeks have done.

Democracy may be wonderful and might some day offer benefits to the general population, but for now the democratic process elects people who say they are left and govern from the far right. This happens over and over from the "hope" Obama exploited to win election to the leftest slogans Syriza used to win election. Once in power suddenly they discover the great virtue of Neoliberal/Ordoliberal (I write the rules you obey) ideologies of oligarch worship and oppression.

Germany wrote the rules for the EU and they advantage Germany exclusively. Germany is now running a trade surplus in excess of 7% - people don't seem to understand or care that this is a deliberate violation of EU regulation and rules and so no commentators mention it. The German trade surplus especially sense it is so very high acts as a tool to dominate the rest of Europe, disadvantage them seriously and insure that if they left the EU there economies would collapse. Thus, Germany has a very big hammer which it shows to Hollande each time he makes some feeble attempt to disagree with Merkel.

The EU has been converted by Germany/Merkel to a mechanism for transferring wealth from the middle and lower classes of Europe to oligarchs. Even German workers have not escaped and will only find their living standards continue to deteriorate.

Think of life in Bangladesh, that is Neoliberal heaven.


ilove2shop -> ID7524597 16 Jul 2015 14:34

You really should use Google to see the state of the countries you mentioned. Ireland has had a mass exodus of it's population, like the Great Potato Famine exodus,Spain has double digit unemployment (and it had a surplus before the crash),as do Portugal and Italy with people leaving for former Portugese and Spanish colonial economies.Why do you think Podemos is on the rise?

Italy, Ireland and Portugal, all had democratic mandates that were reversed by the eurozone.

Their economies are mired in a deflationary near-recession. Italy's GDP peaked at $31,764 in inflation-adjusted U.S. dollar per capita in 2008; by 2014, it had fallen to $28,376. On the same basis, Ireland's GDP per capita has fallen from $51.002 in 2008 to $45,119 today. And Spain's GDP per capita is now $24,573, vs. $26,927 in 2008.

At the same time, inflation in the eurozone has fallen to -0.5% in March 2015 from 5% in December, 2007. Low inflation and low growth means low demand for money, and that means lower interest rates - despite these countries' staggering debt.

Another reason for the low rates: The European Central Bank is buying long-term bonds in a bid to keep rates low and give a boost the economy. It's a page out of the Federal Reserve's playbook. At the same time, however, the ECB is demanding austerity programs from its weakest members, often involving drastic cuts in government spending. It's a bit like bleeding a patient at the same time as giving a transfusion - which is why the Eurozone is facing a long recovery.

http://americasmarkets.usatoday.com/2015/04/21/three-little-piigs/


tomguard 16 Jul 2015 14:05

It is clear that the banks can get away with just about anything. They are corrupt, venal, rapacious and largely incompetent and irresponisble yet everything is done to save them and make sure that they never pay for their mistakes, indeed they are rewarded. Meanwhile ordinary people like the ordinary people of Greece are made to pay for the banks mistakes, see their pensions and savings eroded and squandered by these vultures. So sad and angry at what is being done to Greece, crucifixion is an apt description of what is being done to the country and its people.


JohnG4 ID7524597 16 Jul 2015 14:04

You are completely ignorant of the concept of bank lending and bank money. Greece borrowed from banks brand new money (not pre-existing money) at interest. It did not borrow from your bank account! It did not borrow from your government! So how is it that Greece lived at your expense?

On the contrary: Germany benefited immensely from the monetary expansion (the lush bank lending) since the expansion financed the trade surplus of Germany. It was a monetary expansion for the German economy, only the latter did not have to pay interest or seignorage tax.

None of this writes off the responsibilities of successive Greek governments. But, the banking system that financed this expansion concealed the true credit risk even from the Greek electorate.


JosephH79 JohnG4 16 Jul 2015 14:04

Because that narrative helps impose technocratic, plutocratic, neo-liberal, hegemonic, ... ... idiocy upon European people.


michalakis 16 Jul 2015 14:02

I find nothing to disagree with in this article; no hyperbole of any sort.

Just as Sven Linqvist shows in The History of Bombing that World War Two was essentially the result of Germany importing practices into Europe which were formerly common and universally accepted (even applauded) in the West's administration of its colonies (mass murder, genocide, gun boat diplomacy), so Europe's next breakdown will be able to trace its roots back to this importing of economic practices formerly reserved by Western institutions for the developing world into the heart of the developed world. This is the beginning of the end for Europe, and it certainly marks the end of my--and many others'--dreams of a powerful, unified Europe underpinned by the acquis communautaire.


justonetom citizenJA 16 Jul 2015 13:36

Syriza did not destroy the economy. The Greek economy was a basket-case long before they came to power. However, the economy has sharply worsened on their watch. The figures are all in the public domain; stating that is not contentious.

Look, Greece could choose to default. To say, sorry, can't pay these loans and never will. Formally default. So why don't they? Because they know that without further loans their country is bankrupt.

Beyond Seamus's banner-waving, it's not complicated. Country that can't pay its debts seeks more loans. People willing to advance loans demand a better quality of proof that this time loans will be repaid (ie. reforms). Greece can choose to accept or decline.

What Tsipras offered was a total chimera. Merkel knew it, we all knew it. "No cuts! No reforms! But more loans to us! And staying within the EZ!". This was demagogy. He was never going to be able to deliver that, and lo and behold...

Seamus wants, desperately, this to be a story about "evil neoliberal bankers". And there is some truth in a narrative that includes bad lending. But ultimately Tsipras was a poor negotiator, insulting the very people whose help he required, acting in bad faith with 'stunts' like springing a referendum without giving notice to his partners... Syriza has proved incompetent. A classic "opposition" party that crashes and burns as soon as it has real-world work to do from a position of real power.

Had the Greeks seen through him/it, and voted for a party that could do business with the troika, they might have ended up with better terms from more sympathetic partners in the EZ.


Weefox 16 Jul 2015 13:24

Greece had a choice. For some reason it decided that it was better to stay in the EU, which it hates and slags it at every turn. Why? The neoliberal economy of Europe is something which Syriza and the hard left reject, but they still expects it to cover their debts.

I am beginning to smell a whiff of hypocrisy.


welcomeparty lawbag 16 Jul 2015 13:14

Well you should talk to the leadership of the EU who had the gal in 2012 to take the debt held by privat banks who had just had a "haircut" of 43% of their holding but what does the EU do they purchase the debt, not at the 57% value but pays it at a full 100% of price (this makes good the loss the bankers made - why?), so now we the tax payer "own" the debt. It was a Privat debt but the EU leadership made it a public debt.

You tell me is that the fault of the Greek people or is it the Crew of bankers that hold office in the EU and who have favoured the German and French bank's with the deposit of 90% of the Billions Greece was lend. Greece only ever saw 10% flowing into their banks.

It is bordering on criminal what they have been doing and is doing to the Greek nation, who needs enemies when you have friends like these.

If you are worried about Greece not paying the money they have borrowed, ask the EU why they will not talk about debt restructure (Pay in full over time) or rather why they have not allowed Greece to access this function that the IMF has spouted about.

Why has the EU promised if Greece swallow the bitter and accessive austerity imposed on them The banks will be allowed Greece to access the QE program of 1 TRILLON EURO allocated to banks, should Greece need it they will be able to access this fund they can from 2018. But guess what the QE program finishes in 2018.

What kind of negotiation is that- they have emasculated Greece and they believe that these sort of thing are allowed - which they are not...

You maybe rushing to get into the full Union of the EU, me I would rather be poor but outside the EU - why, well if they will do what they are doing to the Greek people in public, I feel I would be scared silly wondering what they would do behind closed doors and I was in trouble.

Making people scared is easy and is extreme, fear is a new God the propaganda machine of the EU are using , the 3rd world war has arrived without a shot being fired, not becourse you and I have issues, but becourse they can....


Steven Savage 16 Jul 2015 13:14

"What kind of a union of partners treats one of its members like a recalcitrant colony, destroys its economy if it steps out of line, and dismisses its democracy as an impudent affront? "

The same kind of union that allowed Greece to enter when it no doubt had very good reason to suspect that Greece was cooking its books to show its deficit was far lower than it actually was, and that allowed Goldman to create derivatives to further shore up its sovereign balance sheet.

No one ever really seems to take the European currency union to task over this. The Greek entrance into the Euro should have been "annulled," for lack of a better word, years and years ago, perhaps as early as 2003. That annulment would have allowed the EU to remove Greece by legitimately claiming fraud, and as such, would have been a way out of the Euro that no one else would have been privy to. It would have kept the currency union together for the rest of the members, and would have hopefully stopped the worst of the bad debt way before it grew to such unmanageable, toxic levels.

The EU had its chance to dismiss Greece but chose not to. We all know EU vanity and arrogance were heavily involved in retaining Greece. Greece is wrong for its economic deceptions and culture of tax avoidance, but the EU darn well knew it was letting Greece get away with, and it knew it about a dozen years ago.


waterme888 objectinspace 16 Jul 2015 13:14

the imf does austerities to countries for a reason.. to think that they are enforcing these rules on greece just for the benefit of greeks is laughable.. greece is a small small economy with little impact on world economics.. so why is not a single media asking the hard questions why now.. why is this happening now and why is the economic union of europe going to be effected by such an insignificant economy collapsing.

in the 1988-1989 this very same thing was done to poland --- few remember as todays society does not study history and relies on being told what to think by the corrupt and reprehensible media.

now i dont have enough room to explain the totality of keynesian economic reforms pushed forth by these huge financial oligarchs but if you think even for one moment that these banks have the best interests of the greeks in mind your off your rocker.


OneCommentator 16 Jul 2015 13:13

This week has made a mockery of monetary union as a path to a united democratic Europe and opened the way for the eurozone's breakup.

So true! Hence the problem is not neo-liberalism or German intransigence but the monetary union of disjunct and completely different economic and even political systems. Greece's politics not only their economic performance are completely different from Germany's. Why should they be in the EZ together? Free trade? Sure, it makes sense. But that's about it. There is no need of a United Europe. It is naive and meaningless dream.


GordonGecko real tic 16 Jul 2015 13:13

'Proof? or is this more tendentious opinion conjuring fairy facts as it goes along? '

Try https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/greece/2015-07-07/pain-athens

and note the phrase 'money wasn't given to lazy Greeks but to already-bailed bankers who, despite a face-value haircut, ended up making a profit on the deal."

'It's hardly surprising that hostility to the EU, which shows no signs of being open to deep-seated reform, is growing across the continent.'

Hostility is perhaps too strong, but nonetheless there is now a tendency to question whether the European Institutions are there to protect us from neoliberalism or have already sold out. Personally I have been a europhile for over 40 years but I am now wondering if this is the sort of Europe I really want.


Lastwordsusie viscount_jellicoe 16 Jul 2015 13:04

It's desperately frightening.
The government of pretty much all of the globe with a few exceptions is run by rightwing corporate ideologues.
Neoliberalism has - at least for now - triumphed and those on the left are feeling pretty bewildered and rudderless.
Greece's pain is not just that of CRUSHING austerity without end, but also of ritual humiliation.
That's a recipe not for meek compliance - but ultimately, seething anger, division and civil unrest.That will no doubt be crushed also but the troika has successfully set the left against itself once more.

I don't doubt that what the troika seeks is the restoration of ruthless and corrupt rightist government - (maybe they'd like another Junta to deal with.)

I'm not sure there ever can be a bloodless revolution unless there's a way of overcoming the power of capital and those that wield it without some miraculous change in human behaviour and some genetic evolution that ceases to regard the earths resources as belonging to the few with the many in hock to their whims or largesse.
Uncertain times?
No! Much, much more than that.
What will the right do when population drifts of the desperate, fleeing war and hunger, along with ecological resource imperatives -become insuperable, as the world's ability to withstand the rapacious greed of its exploiters start forcing its hand?


658176529539572 16 Jul 2015 12:55

Centuries ago, Thomas Jefferson gave the American people this warning:

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered."

-- Central banks (all over the world), are apparently using this method of conquest…


roola 16 Jul 2015 12:54

Thank God one journalist sees the political truths behind the EU's policies for Greece. Weimar Republic, anyone?

And, no, the EU has never been a solely economic union. How can it be while it implements undemocratic procedures that can dictate, as in Greece, a country's economic future? Whatever happens, Greece, with a now greater accumulation of swinging debts and with the EU's intent to break its left-wing government, eventually will be forced to leave Europe. When that happens, EU 'unity' will be seen for the sham it is.

I was one of those who voted 'yes' in the original UK referendum for joining Europe, though with misgivings about the undemocratic set-up. Not now. The misgivings have proven themselves to be the reality and my vote would be a 'no' vote.


michalakis greatapedescendant 16 Jul 2015 12:51

Yes, seriously.

The fallout could not have been more if the Germans had just send the Luftwaffe in to bomb the place. I'm 47, a formerly middle class, middle income, self-employed professional. I've been working abroad for the last 4 years, as has almost every other 'dad' I know. My former life is destroyed: the infrastructure I worked in, the people I worked with, have gone. My clients, my colleagues, my connections are all gone. I cannot return to Greece to work. I cannot watch my daughter grow up. Seriously.


rightwinggit 16 Jul 2015 12:50

The idea that this crisis has simply pitted one democratic mandate – that of Greece – against the hard-pressed taxpayers of 18 other eurozone members is nonsense.

It is, of course completely true.

Very little of Greek government debt is now held by private institutions. By far the biggest creditor is the German government (read taxpayer) followed by the French taxpayer followed by the Italian taxpayer followed by the Spanish taxpayer.

The only countries where significant amounts of Greek debt are held in private hands are in the US and the UK and the US favours debt relief.

In terms of percentage of GDP Malta is in deep shit - its exposure to Greece is 5% of its GDP.

Personally I think Greece should leave the EZ and return permanently to the Drachma but don't pretend that there will be no cost to EZ taxpayers.

Germany is owed €90bn. If half of it is written off, that would cost each German €550. When you look at it like that it doesn't sound like very much. All you have to do is persuade the German voter that it is a price worth paying....


658176529539572 Roguing 16 Jul 2015 12:47

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josiah_Stamp,_1st_Baron_Stamp

Silas Walter Adams (1958). The legalized crime of banking and a constitutional remedy. Boston: Meador. pp. 13,30,58,90,246. OCLC 3906807

AXWE08 lawbag 16 Jul 2015 12:46

I think we have heard this Neoliberal prescription before. It is ironic that such avowed loyalty to the EU's machinations comes from the very sector that would see the UK leave the EU. The truth is simple enough: A debt that can't be paid, won't. No matter how much squeezing is applied to Greece the outcome will be the same, namely debt write down at some time in the near future. Austerity was seen to be a failure long before Syriza and Tisparas took office and this was the reason why they were voted in.


Jantar 16 Jul 2015 12:45

I totally agree that this deal/putsch is a disgrace - but let's not fall in that simplistic Hollywood trap that suggests that because one side acted disgracefully the other side must be the side of the angels.

Greece has been a thoroughly corrupt state since the Colonels were forced out. Their democracy was always fake, hijacked from the start by economic & political cabals. So let's not pretend this is a story about some virtuous/democratic David being crushed by wicked Goliath. The referendum was a farce: the choices badly chosen & put, with a government playing to the gallery, promising things not even covered by the actual referendum . Still, and as always, the true and self-appointed leaders of the EU fear elections and hate referendums and have never accepted any of the latter.

The government of the day lied about the economic situation when they joined the Euro but that was something the Eurocrats knew, of course but they had their own self-glorious reasons to publicly pretend Greece was ready to join.

So, yes, this is a mess - but there really are no 'white hats' here. Black and dark grey are the only colour options in this movie.

As always, as throughout the whole of human history, it's the common people (who can be venal, yes, and short-sighted, and plain dumb - and often are; not many white hats there either) who get screwed. Nothing new under the sun indeed.


viscount_jellicoe 16 Jul 2015 12:40

Spot on. Greece's debts have now been made effectively unrepayable in order to send the deafening warning to the Spaniards, Portuguese, Italians, etc., not to dare elect anti-austerity governments. It's pretty desperate stuff.


waterme888 -> objectinspace 16 Jul 2015 12:39

if Greece was free to decide would they be in this spot. no.. they are being dictated. period. the people understand that and are protesting, but the politicians can only do what the banks tell them so they will do exactly what they are told and then have elections - the people will then elect new government which will negotiate so minor changes to the payment plans or some other irrelevant term which the new government will tout as a victory which of course the media will lap up like a dog in heat and everything will be as it should according to the control exerted by these financial oligarchs who dont give a crap about the people and only care to own own own.

this happens in every country - its called Keynesian economics and even your country is under the influence.. or perhaps your buying power has gone up over the past 20 years..

this whole system is a illusion and education into finance is the only cure.


viewcode 16 Jul 2015 12:37

Dear Guardian

Speaking seriously at the moment, don't you think this article is over the top? It's a rant, and quite an intense one at that. You should step back, take a deep breath, and try to regain a sense of proportion. Germany is not the Wehrmacht, Greece has not been immolated and - as even the Eurosceptics have realised (http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/07/a-beginners-guide-to-euroscepticism/ ) - this is driven more by hysteria than by rationality. "Brutal authoritarianism"? Seriously?


658176529539572 16 Jul 2015 12:37

"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The Bankers own the Earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create deposits, and with the flick of a pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the fortunes like mine will disappear, and they ought to disappear, for this world would be a happier and better world to live in. But if you wish to remain slaves of the Bankers and pay for the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create deposits."

-- Sir Josiah Stamp, President of the Bank of England in the 1920s, the second richest man in Britain


FourtyTwo 16 Jul 2015 12:35

What helped win the election became a fatal handicap in office, as Tsipras resisted pressure even to make contingency plans for Grexit. That would have strengthened his negotiating hand, as well as giving Greece the option of escaping indefinite economic depression.

According to both Tsipras and Varoufakis there was a contingency plan being made by a small group of 5 people. Varoufakis stated in an interview that he knew since March that Schaeuble wanted a grexit and of course he wanted to prepare for such an outcome as best as he could. The plan did not turn up well and was abandoned because it showed that Greece didn't have enough financial power left to prop up a new currency, which would immediately devaluate out of control.
The reason for the clandestineness of this plan was that if the media found out about it they would blow the whistle and accuse Syriza of actively planning a grexit, something that terrified Greeks at that time.


Goias Goias -> lawbag 16 Jul 2015 12:34

"Why should the French, the Germans et al, give more money to the Greeks to enable them to do silly left wing populist things?"

This is an interesting statement, it ignores completely the silly little right-wing things like the global financial crisis in 2008 and the ripple effect it had over the banking system first and the countries having to sustain that system later. I guess our lenience towards these silly little right-wing things makes us accomplices of the destruction they bring.

If only the Greek officials wore ties. Don't they now how important that is?


bally38 16 Jul 2015 12:31

As that well-known negotiating guru Yannis Varoufakis put it:

If you are not willing to even contemplate the prospect of a breakdown, then you're not negotiating

He wasn't joking. He didn't just contemplate it. He planned for it. The referendum was planned, just as the two sides had nearly clinched a deal. He had prepared for enforced capital controls, and admitted in the New Statesman interview what his advice to Tsipras was. Take over the Bank of Greece and pay salaries for another few months with the last reserves, while issuing IOUs. ie: Unilateral Grexit. For which Syriza has no mandate.

Tsipras, to his credit, refused to implement the plan, instead asked for Varoufakis' resignation.

Any crucifixion of Tsipras was on a cross that Yannis Varoufakis nailed him to. But he's an adult. As he said in his TV address two nights back. He's responsible, because he's the Premier.


waterme888 Renato Timotheus 16 Jul 2015 12:31

the unemployment was a gift of these same banks who use influence and covet means to enforce their will upon those countries they need to capitulate into a deep control algorithm.

look up keynesian economic theory and then study what happened to the countries of south america in through the 1950-1970's and understand that is exactly what is happening to greece..

the media does not report these facts for they are owned or influenced by the same banks perpetrating the control.

do you smell extinction.


liberalexpat 16 Jul 2015 12:28

The bias of many of the articles on Greece in the British media has gone completely OTT - it's patently obvious that there are glaring faults on both sides - and the misuse of the word democracy is flagrant.

Certainly, the eurozone countries have acted harshly. But the Greek crisis stems from decades of tax cheating, clientelism and other ills, many of them stemming from the uncontrollable behaviour of the Greek mega-rich. Liberal British commentators normally lambast the mega-rich, tax evaders and the widening rich-poor divide - why let the Greeks off the hook?

A major problem is that so many British europhobic commentators are projecting their views onto the Greeks: look how furious with them Henry the Eighth Farage is. They hate the EU, and tell us other Europeans do, too: they are in denial of the fact that poll after poll has shown the Greek majority in favour of staying in both the euro and the EU since they can't and won't understand it.

Democracy. Is Greece the only eurozone country to have it - and should it be allowed to impose its view on 18 other member countries? (Note to commentators: the EU and the eurozone are not the same.) And if the Greek referendum was the touchstone of European democracy, why not have one in the other 18 countries?

Secondly, the workings of Greek democracy à la Tsipras. He calls a snap referendum on a non-existent deal, says its conclusive 'no' vote will strengthen his hand in fighting austerity - then trashes the people's vote and has to rely on the opposition to get the austerity bailout vote through. Hmmm.


waterme888 wondrinfree 16 Jul 2015 12:26

they want to remain in it because you only read what the news reports and assume that what they are telling you is what the people want... if the people want this so badly then why did they just announce they may have elections in the fall. now consider that when have elections changed anything.. in the long run nothing changes and everything remains the same.. history is so very clear..

distract the masses with rhetoric as people in groups are easily swayed into false beliefs.

societal engineering done in the name of control.


parttimer 16 Jul 2015 12:26

Greece would be turned into an economic "protectorate", one purred, where all key decisions would be taken by foreign governments and unelected EU bureaucrats.

Wow. If only someone had told you in advance that EU membership resulted in all key decisions being taken by foreign governments and unelected EU bureaucrats.


sjxt 16 Jul 2015 12:24

An unusually good article for Seumus - the only point I would take issue with is the comparison with the IMF's third world debt programs and bank handling of sovereign defaults.

The only reason the IMF is involved in this case at all is DSK's EU/French politicking - the IMF's lending here should have prevented it lending to a palpably bust sovereign.

And if we were looking at private bank loans negotiations on debt relief would have started months ago - such loans would be written down in the bank's books under GAAP already.

The real culprits here are the northern governments who have pretended for years this is a liquidity rather than a solvency problem to their electorates and on that basis crucified Greece in the earlier bailouts to bail out their own banks, and now refuse to face their electorates with the unpalatable truth most of their money ain't coming back.

But with the IMF and now the ECB calling for debt relief - probably disguised as massive maturity extensions, plus other EU governments like France and Italy, 2 and a half of the Troika are now lining up against the Germans their allies......


MartinAMiss worldsworstposter 16 Jul 2015 12:23

France was the first country to break the 3% rule. Germany has broken Eurozone rules. This isn't just about Greece, but Germany & France shielding their banks from bad debts they shouldn't have made.

Other rule breaks, the ECB cutting ELA fundding to Greek banks. Under the rules that govern it, ECB's job is to keep banks opne, not close them like an enforcer for a loan shark.

If you are in doubt about that fact it is the banks that are being bailed out, perhaps the former head of Bundesbank & board member of IMF will convince you.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/former-central-bank-head-karl-otto-poehl-bailout-plan-is-all-about-rescuing-banks-and-rich-greeks-a-695245.html


JohnHawkwood 16 Jul 2015 12:09

Greece is being crushed to remind the Spanish and Italians of the price of disobedience


zappa2007 16 Jul 2015 12:08

The Greeks had no option to accept this awful deal because not to have done so would have left them with no banking system, hunger, poverty and riots. The new Government came to power thinking they could have a rational conversation with the EU on he basis of reform and explaining to the EU about the logic of their rational position. The Germans and other rightists have imposed a political settlement in the face of the economics of the situation that even the IMF recognises. Yes, just like the Treaty of Versailles. Look how well that turned out.

A cruel trick has been played on the Greeks and the rest of us too. It is the banks that have swallowed all the cash in vast bailouts but the public who have to pay it back. Profits have been privatised and losses socialised. Meanwhile we voluntarily give up our rights and living standards. What fools we all are.


itin78 16 Jul 2015 12:06

The 'European project',has brought Greece a ticket to the third world.

The Common market was sold to us as,a Free Trade Area.

The currency union,which was meant to be the precursor of a European Superstate,was dreamt up by empire building politicians,without consulting the citizens of Europe.
The project is undemocratic.

It is not long ago that a lady on the BBC was telling us that we must join the Euro.
Thank goodness that we actually kept out.
It was a rare piece of good fortune for the UK.

In the meantime,there will be no end to the amount of our taxes that disappear into the bottomless pit of the Greek 'economy.'


midnightschild10 16 Jul 2015 12:02

When I was young I went to Europe on vacation, before it became the EU. It may only be remembering as a child how happy and welcoming the Greeks were to visitors. The singing and dancing on the Palatka was a fond memory. I have visited the EU three times since, and saw how Europe had changed, particularly under the austerity programs. The concept of the EU might have sounded good in theory, but in practice, the strong countries got richer while the weaker countries got the shaft. You can't build a country by keeping the people on their knees. What happened to Greece is tragic. It showed the punitive measures taken against those who voice their choices in a democratic way. The world watched, and saw how the EU had changed from a financial trade cooperation became nothing more than a political class attack by the rich against the poor.


Julius Marklovitz 16 Jul 2015 11:59

This situation is absolutely ridiculous. Tsipras is a genius I will admit. He has essentially made himself and his country look like poor victims of a bully. Only one problem. This bailout is 100% voluntary. Nothing dictates that Greece has to ask or receive a bailout. Oh and not to mention that this is bailout number 3! When all is said an done your talking about half a TRILLION dollars for a country of 11 million. $50,000 per Greek. That is OBSCENE. But their rampant government corruption, rampant tax evasion, and the cultural belief that it is ok to steal and kickbacks are an everyday part of life warrants no responsibility. I'm a democrat and this makes me sick. This isn't some child being bullied. This is a country who by choice has done everything in its power to squander it's resources and then guilt trips the world into buying its victim stance. It's manipulative. And get this through your head. Countries who are fiscally responsible are not responsible for those who plunge their countries into recessions . I'm not a fan of Germany in terms of how they use Greece to devalue their currency. But this it's Germany's fault is just garbage.


Jmbowsher mittelfeld 16 Jul 2015 11:53

Well Varoufakis and co (who, if you remember, have only been in power less than 6 months) were committed to reform, particularly where the fat cats were concerned. But as Varoufakis states, they were told they couldn't make reforms because to do so would be to act unilaterally. In other words, any perceived impotence is largely down to the troika...


shalone 16 Jul 2015 11:43

And the misery of greek people has aroused so much sympathy in many countries. If anything, Schauble and Merkel are being accused of being ruthless. So it is not only greeks that hate the two leaders.

[Jul 15, 2015] The Greek Deal From Germany - Reading Between the Lines - Darkness Over the Earth

Perhaps the Greeks made a mistake, and relied too much on rationality, on a belief in a Eurozone in which good sense and reason would prevail. As it was, the Germans were willing to ruthlessly crush the Greek banking system, while the ECB and IMF stood idly by, fomenting a financial panic and humanitarian disaster in order to displace a sovereign government and put an entire nation 'in its place.' We certainly have seen this kind of example made before.

This was an exercise in raw power. It was a financial blitzkrieg, an act of economic warfare and reckless destruction on a people that ought to be condemned by the free world. But this kind of ruthless abuse of financial systems seems to be the accepted thing now amongst the developed economies. And we might view Greece as a sort of an experiment in a new form of warfare and ruthlessness, as were Guernica, Warsaw, and Lidice.

It is a shame if the Greeks have not prepared for Grexit, although there are still clearly options despite the naysayers who see only difficulties in everything. Freedom is rarely the easier way.

The lesson that the countries of the Eurozone cannot trust Germany to act with wisdom and goodwill was known, but now we also see that restraint is also not in their repetoire. If one can read between the lines, it would be a pity if the rest of the European countries do not start planning now for their own active exit from such an failed concept as the European Monetary Union.

And it would be a tragedy if the rest of the world does not now see plainly where a single currency for the world would also take them, where it is already taking them. Modern theories about its benign utility to do only good aside, money is raw power. And one must be exceptionally careful of granting that power to create and distribute and manage money into the hands of vain and corruptible people without stringent transparency, checks and balances, and provisions for justice and individual freedom.

Are the lights going out all over Europe? Not yet, but there is a darkness casting its shadow over the earth. I fear that Greece is only the beginning of a new phase in the degradation of the human condition by the power of insatiable greed, and spiritual wickedness in high places.

"The earth, entire peoples and individual persons are being brutally punished. And behind all this pain, death and destruction there is the stench of what Basil of Caesarea called 'the dung of the devil'. An unfettered pursuit of money rules. The service of the common good is left behind.

Once capital becomes an idol and guides people's decisions, once greed for money presides over the entire socioeconomic system, it ruins society, it condemns and enslaves men and women, it destroys human fraternity, it sets people against one another and, as we clearly see, it even puts at risk our common home."

Francis I

[Jul 14, 2015]Greek bailout: Angela Merkel accused of blackmailing Athens

"..." The destruction of Greece, like the destruction of America, by the big banks and financial firms is not, as the bankers claim, about austerity or imposing rational expenditures or balanced budgets. It is not about responsible or good government. It is a vicious form of class warfare. It is profoundly anti-democratic. It is about forming nations of impoverished, disempowered serfs and a rapacious elite of all-powerful corporate oligarchs, backed by the most sophisticated security and surveillance apparatus in human history and a militarized police that shoots unarmed citizens with reckless abandon. The laws and rules it imposes on the poor are, as Barbara Ehrenreich has written, little more than "organized sadism.""
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"... Merkel and her finance minister have accomplished what the eurosceptics could not do themselves -- brought the entire EU project into question."
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"...This deal is neither good for the ordinary Germans nor the Greeks. It's plain stupidity, or cynical manipulation by Merkel and Schauble so that someone else in the future will have to suffer the consequences of their actions. The Greeks can never repay the German taxpayer a mounting amount of debt, with a shrinking economy. Greece, after another round of misery and economic contraction, plus some asset stripping for opportunistic buyers (cronies of D'bloem, Merkel, and Schauble's backers), will find itself in a deeper hole very soon."
Jul 14, 2015 | The Guardian


andr3wuk 14 Jul 2015 19:37

I actually think that Schauble speaks a lot of economic sense. As finance minister, it's his responsibility to table the economically viable options that are politically feasible within his own country.... And that's where it all breaks down.

Merkel is a weak leader. The Euro was meant to be a catalyst of European Federalisation, not the tool for economic imperialism that it currently is. It is up to Merkel, the LEADER of the German people, to explain the features of the Euro that strengthen Germany at the periphery's expense. Take the Euro away, and Germany will enter a recessionary period. At the very least, its growth will slow to a halt. It is up to Merkel, the leader of the German people, to explain to the German population the responsibility that Germany has to ensuring sustainable growth in periphery until European integration is complete. It is up to Merkel to lead a change in public perception and find the political backing for debt reduction, because, for as much as she barks on about the rules and regulations of the EMU, capitalist economics has some ground rules, some fundamental laws, which she is more than happy to use to Germany's advantage at the expense of the periphery.

Yes, politicians are representatives of the people, and ultimately they must listen to the people, but they are also leaders of the people, and unless Merkel takes this part of her job seriously, as opposed to simply pandering to German public opinion, then she is misleading her own electorate, much in the same way that she accuses Tsipras of having mislead his.

Unless the Euro changes quickly, unless there is a commitment towards fiscal (and by necessity) political integration, Germans had better get used to being viewed negatively by the rest of Europe, because it's only going to get worse. The government of Germany may not trust that of Tsipras, but the governments of the periphery are starting to lose trust that fiscal consolidation will ever happen, and then they will seek to break free from the shackles of the Euro. Then. once German products become more expensive to the outside world, and the oversized German export economy starts to shrink (i would call it an economic correction), the bubble will deflate, people will become redundant, and the German dream will turn into the German nightmare.


Cynndara HoSimpson 14 Jul 2015 19:03

Well, frankly, the EU has given Germany the dominance over the European market that Kaiser Wilhelm and Hitler were both striving for. What the Germans don't understand is that they have sucked their neighbors dry with their export-geared economy. It's understandable that the average German worker doesn't understand this, since they have suffered from deliberately depressed wages used to make their products competitive and increase the profits of business owners. It isn't the WORKERS who have benefited from the arrangement, anywhere on Earth. Of course, encouraging the serfs to hate each other over trivial differences while pocketing the profits is an old, old elite strategem.


Cynndara 14 Jul 2015 18:55

". . . only 18% of Germans said they trusted Greece to implement the reforms it signed up to, with 78% saying they had no trust in the government of Alexis Tsipras."

Nor should they. "An oath made under duress is not binding" is one of the most ancient precepts of Germanic law. The Greeks are fully justified in doing anything they can to renege on terms that were dictated to them with a bazooka pointed at their entire economy via the banks.

Since the terms are unsustainable and odious, they will not be sustained, and eventually the Greeks will be forced to leave the EU. What Germany has done makes it far more likely that when they do, there will be no EU left.

WWIII anyone? When will they ever learn?


tf2333 WonderWorld 14 Jul 2015 17:36

I always have the facts in mind. Comparing median household incomes (more accurate than mean) worldwide Germany was #12 in 2011 and Greece was #27. In 2013 Germany was #16 and Greece nowhere in the top 30... It is miraculous what two years of financial aid can accomplish. These are the comprehensive facts from the 2013 US census, I am open to your own sources.


Katime Monasteria 14 Jul 2015 17:35

It's only the wealthy who dodged taxes. Actually under the austerity program of the preceding administration, taxes for the wealthy were cut down while taxes for the poor were raised (like in the UK and the US, among other countries)

Of course wealthy Greeks have gotten their money out of Greece and parked a lot of it in the Cayman Islands along with the money siphoned out of other economies including that of the US.

Working class folks always paid their taxes. In Greece like elsewhere taxes are deducted from paychecks.

I hope for your sake that you are one of the 88 individuals who own half of all the earth's wealth. If you are a working stiff like the rest of us, you're being a patsy.


Nigelpwsmith 14 Jul 2015 17:23

The Germans are taking particular delight in their cruelty to use Greece as a whipping boy to get all the other Euro countries into line. They even had the temerity to suggest that if Greece didn't accept the deal, they wouldn't just be out of the Eurozone, but out of the EU as well - something that is impossible without the consent of the Greek people.

Merkel and Schäuble have taken it one step further. The bully boys are now threatening to demand funds from the United Kingdom. Even though Cameron obtained an opt out from bailing out the Eurozone, Jean-Claude Juncker, European Commission president, has discarded any notion that this was written into any treaty and may revive the European Financial Stabilisation Mechanism. Using the EU funds as collateral, the EU would loan even more money to Eurozone basket cases and then when these debts are not repaid, contributors like the UK would get stung with the bill.

If anything is likely to persuade the British public to leave the EU in 2017, this would be it!


brianboru1014 14 Jul 2015 17:14

Angela Merkel and her finance minister, Wolfgang Schäuble, actually have managed to divide the continent.
Germany is not trusted any more as an innocent post World War 2 European nation. Many now see it as the most destructive force in Europe just as it was in the beginning of the 20th century.


WonderWorld Aris Tsihlis 14 Jul 2015 17:03

Just so you know: according to the most recent poll in Germany, 75% of the Supporters of the Green party and 52% of the Linke party are supportive of Merkel's way of dealing with the Greek blackmailing of Europe. You should get used that democracy is not the personal right of communist Greek demagoges, but is practiced in every single country in the EU. And a majority of the people there are fed up with Greece stealing their tax money.

MartinAMiss RedCoat4Ever 14 Jul 2015 16:54

It's economically unworkable. As has been demonstrated by the fact bedt to GDP ratio has gone from 130% to 177% and predcited to rise to 200%.

The IMF has always been clear about sustainability. Having two French chiefs who have presidential ambitions, when so much of the Greek liability belongs to French banks, has hindered a sensible solution being found.


tf2333 14 Jul 2015 16:35

Throwing my own interpretation in the pool of opinions... It is only natural that measures and assurances are needed whenever someone is asking for money. But in modern societies, fine lines are drawn to what these assurances should be. Regardless of the final concessions from both sides, the original demands of 1) 50bn worth of assets to be gradually sold by the creditors and controlled from Luxembourg (!) 2) involvement of the creditors in Greek legislation from now on and 3) re-iteration of all legislation taken by the current elected government without the consent of the Eurogroup are far-fetched in a legal sense, to say the least. It is worth mentioning that the Eurogroup is a non-legal entity that keeps NO written log during its meetings and is under no one's jurisdiction... Last but not least, I am simply sad to see the European ideal broken and nationalism grown on all sides. Taking the US as the nearest example of a monetary union, many of the southern states are literally bankrupt and the northern states are simply paying for their debt to maintain the stability of the union. The same situation within Europe is translated into "why should Finnish / Germans etc pay for the debt of the Greeks?". Well, this is how unions work, to everyone's sudden dismay, not as a club only for the privileged.


eurotrash 14 Jul 2015 15:16

" The destruction of Greece, like the destruction of America, by the big banks and financial firms is not, as the bankers claim, about austerity or imposing rational expenditures or balanced budgets. It is not about responsible or good government. It is a vicious form of class warfare. It is profoundly anti-democratic. It is about forming nations of impoverished, disempowered serfs and a rapacious elite of all-powerful corporate oligarchs, backed by the most sophisticated security and surveillance apparatus in human history and a militarized police that shoots unarmed citizens with reckless abandon. The laws and rules it imposes on the poor are, as Barbara Ehrenreich has written, little more than "organized sadism."

Corporate profit is God. It does not matter who suffers. In Greece 40 percent of children live in poverty, there is a 25 percent unemployment rate and the unemployment figure for those between the ages of 15 and 24 is nearly 50 percent. And it will only get worse.

We will not return to a rational economy or restore democracy until these global speculators are stripped of power. This will happen only if the streets of major cities in Europe and the United States are convulsed with mass protests. The tyranny of these financial elites knows no limits. They will impose ever greater suffering and repression until we submit or revolt. I prefer the latter. But we don't have much time.


daitwice Optimist13 14 Jul 2015 14:27

You are an optimist. Businesses are about margins. That's why any substantial boycott can be harmful.

What will save Germany is inertia, the failure of most to act on their feelings of disgust. It's easier to rip off a comment here or on social media than think through how to avoid buying German products. We shall see how long people remember, before they switch to some other outrage project.
But I think you're wrong about fringe parties. People who have always been pro-EU are turning sharply against THIS Europe. Certainly Britons, with their innate sense of what representative government is, do not like bullying decisions taken behind closed doors by unaccountable committees that refuse to take minutes of their meetings.

The German S-Ds are more corporatist in their approach. They've been complicit in driving down German wages so that there's now a wave of anger and a level of poverty for 3 million Germans that can be be usefully turned outwards against southern Europeans (not that I'm saying the Greeks haven't made mistakes).


Alexandra Michaels Kostas Nikolaidis 14 Jul 2015 14:18

Corruption in Greek governments? Absolutely! I know it. I saw it. Why do you think so many back Tsipras who is not from the old money ruling class that live in Ekali and sail around the world on yachts?

Tax evasion? Yes, mostly the upper middle and upper classes...not the ones who are paying the piper--the civil servants and some of the more honest and smaller independent business people.

Don't put all the blame on Greece. What do the yiayiades and papoudes need to suffer in their old age when they lived honorable lives? Your people are suffering because of the rich and the corrupt and the monolith banks.

Read the prophecies of the Elder, Saint Paisios who predicted all of this back in 1983 when it seemed like science fiction to the people who he said it to and who documented his words.

See what the big bank monolith minotaur really is...if you believe in God.


RedCoat4Ever Alexandra Michaels 14 Jul 2015 14:07

When Varoufakis was backward inducing the various levels of "the game", he miscalculated the probabilities AND payoffs. He believed the dominant strategy was to claim "the EZ needs us more than we need them". He was wrong. Dead wrong. Tsipras played and now has to take the payout. He chose an inferior strategy, which is remarkable given that the payouts and probabilities were known to the world. There is not a question of blame. This was Tsipras' choice. He must now accept the payout.


AKAJOE 14 Jul 2015 14:04

It is probably true that Germany has/is been too harsh - although the total online hate campaign is way way over the top. With every idiot jumping on the band wagon...but what I don't understand is why is no one mad at the Greeks? The Greek elite (political and business) completely failed their own country by exploiting the system and people and sucking the whole place dry for the last 4 decades.(and longer)..this is 10x worse than what Germany is doing...where is the social shit storm against them??! how about #BoycottShippingTycoons or #GetTheCroniesOutofHere..anyway can't think of anything more witty....

crystaltips2 Alexandra Michaels 14 Jul 2015 14:00

It may be a generalisation but when most sources agree that Greece's shadow economy is around 25% of GDP then it's a pretty fair one. Public spending is 50% of GDP, so that means fully half of private sector transactions are made 'off the books'. You don't need to speak Greek or live there to find this out.


germany15 DieSubversiv 14 Jul 2015 13:49

The devil-contract-thing is right, I agree -- But when Banks use their power to do crime, like manipulating Libor, eulibor, ... and in this case manipulating the Greeks balances and so on (like golmansachs did), they are the origin of the Greek disaster. If I would sign a manipulated contract, the crime is not the signing, but the manipulation !!!
I would agree to you, that the signers where very naive, but the thing is: Now we know, that they were cheating and even, if we can prove this, the banks will not be judged (to big to judge or so) -- In my opinion that's a language of a non-democratic state -- Sad but true !

And I have to add, that of course the whole political system in that case failed too!

But the sickest thing is:
Now, as we know of the crime, the goldmansachs bank did in that case, the result is, that a goldmansachs banker is running the ECB System ?!


Alexandra Michaels 14 Jul 2015 13:48

All along Tsipras realized that the debt was unsustainable and that austerity did not work. The world's global economists agree with that.

All along he stated that he wished to negotiate for better and less humiliating (to the poor and middle class) terms for the bail out.
Unlike the German leaders who are beholden to the monolith bank god of greed, as well as previous elitist politicians who ran the Greek government, he cared about the lesser rather than only the rich.

The humiliating austerity (threatened to be stricter and worse before the mandate) terms he was forced to agree to after being (in the words of other ministers present) "mentally waterboarded", "crucified", etc., are a sad day for all the world.

That a woman could exert such pressure on another is beyond me, but desperation and greed can do funny things to a person...

Today, not Germany and not Greece are winners...the evil banksters who are ruling the world, the anti-christ, if you will, are the winners.


retsdon damiendd 14 Jul 2015 13:47

I actually voted in the referendum back in 78 or whenever it was to stay in the old Common Market. And I'd probably do so again today. But over the subsequent 30 odd years the project has been hijacked by Empire builders in Brussels. If I had a vote in the next referendum on staying in the current EU - which I don't - I'd vote out probably. It's an unhealthy organization.


Alexandra Michaels Sal2011 14 Jul 2015 13:40

Sal, that was an amazing post and assessment. So many think that this is all simplistic and like to compare it to them going to the bank for a car loan (atleast in the U.S.)

Sadly, these opportunistic corporations, the new oligarchy of the once democratic United States, are also salivating Ukraine.

One cannot help wonder who is behind these global events.

These corporations and banksters are nothing short of pure evil. The media is often biased and cannot be trusted.

Thank God for erudite posters like you. I wish I could copy your post and share it elsewhere, but alas there is no 'cut and paste' ability here.

While I congratulate you, I also tremble in fear at this evil which has taken control of the world and which has killed democracy.

Algirdas Davidavičius Maarten Van Wijk 14 Jul 2015 13:34

It is beyond me how all the responsibility for expert, technocrat failures made in favour of the banks against the sovereign national democracies is constantly shifted towards citizens in a manner that sets them one national democracy against the other. Now suddenly the lithuanians and dutch are "paying for the lousy greeks", when it is private investor and their client polititian failures that created the crisis. Is it not, dear Mr. Vam Wijk, that the "Greece against all the rest of EU democracies" is absolutely a scandalous lie and absolutely disorienting illusion?

jackayarcher 14 Jul 2015 11:05

Below all the shouting, accusations, recriminations, ad hominem attacks on all sides, there is the fundamental economic fact that the austerity measures imposed on the Greeks by the Germans were/are a huge mistake. Even the IMF now admits (and why did it not do so sooner?) that Greek debt, just like German debt in the not-so-distant past, was too high to ever be re-paid, that trying to do so under the conditions Germany insists on means that Greece is condemned to perpetual penury.

This is the worst act on Germany's part -- acting irrationally while assuming an almost religious sense of economic and moral superiority. Unattractive, to say the least, however popular such behavior may be among Germans. It isn't to the rest of us. Merkel and her finance minister have accomplished what the eurosceptics could not do themselves -- brought the entire EU project into question. As for the eurozone, we now see how appallingly bad an idea it is, and one that will bring all Europe to grief.


prefec2 Skallior 14 Jul 2015 10:58

As a German, I have to concur with your assessment. Merkel and Schäuble ruined the EU. However, they are not the only ones who supported this stupid path which will not lead to a recovery of Greece, but to the destruction of the euro zone and the EU. The EU is already a fragile thing, as more and more countries have become egoistic, for example the UK or Finland, a union where everyone is only looking after his personal benefit will not work. Nor will it work based on a neo-liberal agenda of Merkel.


prefec2 JMFulton 14 Jul 2015 10:54

The EU handed them a brick not a life line. the only thing that would help is a debt restructuring or a haircut combined with a massive reform of the state bureaucracy. Cuts to pensions, however, are not necessary. The same goes for privatization of infrastructure.

Greece is so deep in debt, because of the corrupt elites (which are presently not in government). It is also in debt, because Goldman Sachs helped them to trick the EU and the EU and especially Schröder looked the other way when they cheated themselves into the Euro. However, most of their debt accumulated after becoming part of the Euro zone.


Sal2011 14 Jul 2015 10:30

This deal is neither good for the ordinary Germans nor the Greeks. It's plain stupidity, or cynical manipulation by Merkel and Schauble so that someone else in the future will have to suffer the consequences of their actions. The Greeks can never repay the German taxpayer a mounting amount of debt, with a shrinking economy. Greece, after another round of misery and economic contraction, plus some asset stripping for opportunistic buyers (cronies of D'bloem, Merkel, and Schauble's backers), will find itself in a deeper hole very soon.

How do countries like Greece find themselves in such a debt jam? Here's an example of a typical process. A German company wants to do a project in Greece. It approaches the Greek government, with its lobbyists and debt from a German bank to finance the deal. Since it is coming in with the capital, it overprices the project. Greece gets an overpriced asset and debt - sometimes the asset is indeed worthless for example military white elephants that will never be used. The German company gets the windfall. The German banker is happy at placing more debt, they get paid by the amount of debt they sell. The German and Greek taxpayers ultimately pick up the bill for the overpriced asset. While the overpriced asset doesn't contribute as it should to the Greek economy (if indeed anything, e.g. in he case of a military white elephant), the Greek taxpayer - ironically the middle earners and poor, who don't have offshore tax accounts - is expected to pay for it. Public opinion is whpped up against the Greek pensioner, middle earning worker as if they somehow manipulated the system and pocketed the money, not a crony corporation of the German politicians.

When the Greek taxpayer obviously finds himself going bust trying to pay for an overpriced asset, Germany passes the bad debt to its own taxpayers, i.e. the Greeks now owe German taxpayers. They obviously can't pay this either. So now they are forced to sell assets - let's look at what assets are being proposed. These assets are monopolies like the electricity transmission grid and airports which the Greek taxpayer has to use and pay for in any case. In other words, compulsory taxpayer payments. Who will these assets go to? Foreign companies, cronies of the Troika's decision makers (where they will find jobs, advisory roles after public sector retirement). Will it help Greece grow again? No. Will it help Greek payments to the German taxpayer? Unlikely. But it does help certain opportunists make a lot of money in the short run, while others are left to suffer the consequences in the future.


Shannon Ribbons 14 Jul 2015 10:07

The banks WILL have their money. Only a juicy war could have distracted them from their slavering over Greece.

[Jul 14, 2015] Peace In Our Time

"...The leaders of Syriza are revolutionaries of a kind – but their revolution is the perverse, familiar appropriation of social democratic and parliamentary movements by liberals groomed to comply with neo-liberal drivel and a social engineering whose authentic face is that of Wolfgang Schauble, Germany's finance minister, an imperial thug. "
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"...The global financial class is pleased that any pain to be visited from the bad behavior of, wait for it, the global financial class including some of the usual and almost omnipresent suspects, will be presumably visited upon the Greek public alone.
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And there will be a feast of sorts for the vulture class.
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This is the continuation of a financial strategy being pursued by the Western developed economies for some years now. It is not 'ordoliberal', which is a nice historical diversion, so much as neo-liberal, a fashion of political management that has swept the West thanks in great part to the economic and political influence of the US and the UK.
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"...'In the [1967] coup d'état the choice of weapon used in order to bring down democracy then was the tanks. Well, this time it was the banks. The banks were used by foreign powers to take over the government. The difference is that this time they're taking over all public property.'"
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"...We are seeing the same thing being done on a much more local scale in the UK and the US surely, with certain locales being turned into virtual protectorates after being caught up in a web of corruption, financial fraud, and unpayable debts by officially sanctioned Banks. Consider this not an anomaly, but an experiment in progress, with more to follow."
jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com

"Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows or both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."

Frederick Douglass

Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras seems to have folded precipitously, after apparently having taken all other options off the table including a Grexit, a movement toward the burgeoning China Development Bank, an impasse.

His strategy seemed a bit out of joint. I have heard that Victoria Nuland made him an offer he could not refuse, and he did not wish or did not have the option to offer a 'principled resignation' as did Varoufakis.

(Note: I am now mulling this and a few other things over in light of this new interview by Varoufakis.)

It could be that he was then taken aback and surprised by the sheer ferocity of the European (German) proposal, which was to essentially make Greek into a protectorate, and to visit a looting of national assets, given that the loans being granted are completely unpayable and the collateral will be forfeit.

He certainly is not the first Western leader to have capitulated when a 'gun' has been held to their head. There is a certain rhyme, and a sense of déjà vu in all this. We must do these things, because of the imperative of (pick one: destiny, our blood, they have given us no choice, it is in their nature to be ruled, to safeguard our freedom, and/or the logic of the market)

There was intraday commentary along these lines here.

There is certainly room for criticizing Syriza in this. I admit I was supportive of their efforts, and still am. I will try not to judge their efforts too harshly until all the facts are revealed. Since I am not eager to be a martyr, I rarely find it appropriate to insist on that path for anyone else. But I did think this characterization from John Pilger bears some merit.

The leaders of Syriza are revolutionaries of a kind – but their revolution is the perverse, familiar appropriation of social democratic and parliamentary movements by liberals groomed to comply with neo-liberal drivel and a social engineering whose authentic face is that of Wolfgang Schauble, Germany's finance minister, an imperial thug.

Like the Labour Party in Britain and its equivalents among former social democratic parties such as the Labor Party in Australia, still describing themselves as 'liberal' or even 'left', Syriza is the product of an affluent, highly privileged, educated middle class, "schooled in postmodernism", as Alex Lantier wrote.

For them, class is the unmentionable, let alone an enduring struggle, regardless of the reality of the lives of most human beings. Syriza's luminaries are well-groomed; they lead not the resistance that ordinary people crave, as the Greek electorate has so bravely demonstrated, but "better terms" of a venal status quo that corrals and punishes the poor. When merged with "identity politics" and its insidious distractions, the consequence is not resistance, but subservience. "Mainstream" political life in Britain exemplifies this.

John Pilger, The Problem of Greece is not Only a Tragedy: It is a Lie

I wonder how much of Anglo-American political realities that Pilger is projecting on the Greeks. It is hard to me to judge.

But this is mere speculation and second guessing, and we have to focus on what is next. Certainly the Greek people will be foolish to accept the terms to which their Prime Minister has agreed. But what they will do about it, if anything, is another matter. One hopes that they will make a stand, if only to break the momentum of what James Galbraith has called 'the neoliberal project' in which the US in involved despite all its dissembling about it.

Those who complain about the abuse of power and financial repression in their own cases, as those in the precious metals are sometimes known to do, are foolish if they think that what is happening in Greece means nothing for them. The cause of freedom makes all free people brothers and sisters, and those who see themselves as standing proudly alone will fall, miserably and alone.

The global financial class is pleased that any pain to be visited from the bad behavior of, wait for it, the global financial class including some of the usual and almost omnipresent suspects, will be presumably visited upon the Greek public alone.

And there will be a feast of sorts for the vulture class.

This is the continuation of a financial strategy being pursued by the Western developed economies for some years now. It is not 'ordoliberal', which is a nice historical diversion, so much as neo-liberal, a fashion of political management that has swept the West thanks in great part to the economic and political influence of the US and the UK.

What makes it different in this case of Greece is that it is being done, not to a Third World country, but to a long established Western nation and a member of the European community. If there is any good to come out of this, at least the neo-liberal financial class has been revealed for who and what they truly are. And so we can no longer claim any illusions, no plausible excuse in our believing them once again.

'In the [1967] coup d'état the choice of weapon used in order to bring down democracy then was the tanks. Well, this time it was the banks. The banks were used by foreign powers to take over the government. The difference is that this time they're taking over all public property.'

Yanis Varoufakis

And so we see Hillary the populist railing about wages and Wall Street today, while riding on a tidal wave of big money, insider dealings, and soft payoffs from the moneyed interests. But it is all in the patter, the words, the quality of the performance, the identity politics, don't ya know. This is a spectacle, a play on the national stage, and an act of political fiction. And so facts don't matter, just the entertainment factor. How else could one account for at least half of the Republican candidates?

We are seeing the same thing being done on a much more local scale in the UK and the US surely, with certain locales being turned into virtual protectorates after being caught up in a web of corruption, financial fraud, and unpayable debts by officially sanctioned Banks.

Consider this not an anomaly, but an experiment in progress, with more to follow.

Have a pleasant evening.

[Jul 14, 2015] Rich countries accused of foiling effort to give poorer nations a voice on tax

Jul 14, 2015 | The Guardian
Jul 13, 2015 | The Guardian

Aid agencies at Addis Ababa development finance summit claim UK and others have obstructed talks aimed at enabling poor countries to influence UN tax policy.


Aid agencies on Monday accused the world's richest countries, including the UK, of blocking plans to allow poor countries a greater say on UN tax policies.

The upgrade of the UN tax committee to an intergovernmental body was widely seen as a way for less wealthy nations that have struggled to build effective tax systems to influence policy decisions at the UN.

The UK joined the US and several other wealthy countries at the UN financing for development conference in Addis Ababa in a manoeuvre to limit discussions on tax policy at the UN, arguing that the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) was taking the lead on tax issues.

But a proposal presented to the conference by the OECD, known as a thinktank for the world's 34 richest nations, was also criticised for treating developing countries as an afterthought.

The OECD and the UN Development Programme launched a project entitled tax inspectors without borders to help poorer countries bolster domestic revenues by strengthening the ability of tax authorities to limit tax avoidance by multinationals.

The initiative, which involves providing tax audit experts to work alongside local officials dealing with the affairs of multinationals, has had encouraging results across pilot projects in Albania, Ghana and Senegal. Evidence from Colombia, meanwhile, indicated an improvement in tax revenue from $3.3m (£2.1m) in 2011 to $33.2m in 2014, "thanks to tax audit advice and guidance".

Aid charities believe developing countries should build robust tax systems to prevent them from borrowing heavily and getting into debt, as highlighted in a recent report by the Jubilee debt campaign.


The World Bank has come under heavy fire in the past for encouraging poor countries to cut corporate taxes to boost foreign direct investment. Ethiopia, Mongolia, El Salvador and Puerto Rico are among 38 countries in the report that are slipping dangerously into debt after borrowing on the international money markets to bridge the gap left by large tax shortfalls.

The Addis Ababa conference was expected to produce a series of high-level deals to promote sustainable, self-sufficient development. But the charities fear the UN and the World Bank will promote private finance initiatives that involved either privatisation or greater borrowing to finance investment, improve infrastructure and public services.

Speaking at the conference, a spokeswoman for ActionAid said: "The UK government has positioned itself as a global leader on many aspects of sustainable development, aid and in global efforts to tackle tax avoidance and evasion. It is therefore disappointing that the UK appears to be one of the few governments blocking progress on the important issue of a tax body."

Failure to tackle this question in Addis will not make the urgent need for international tax reform go away. It will simply intensify the challenges ahead for the international community. There is growing recognition that the OECD alone cannot ensure global rules work for all countries, especially the poorest. Blocking agreement on an obvious solution in Addis simply delays the inevitable while putting other critical processes at risk.

Save the Children said the world was "sleepwalking towards failure" at the global finance summit, adding that the UN should create an international body to oversee global tax matters.

A spokesman said: "Tax has never been more under the spotlight as the source of finance for development, but decisions affecting the poorest countries and their ability to recoup money owed to them are taken in an elite club of the most powerful nations. This 20th-century way of doing business is no longer appropriate for the era of sustainable development goals."

[Jul 14, 2015] Russia and the west are quits for good as far as any hope of alliances is concerned, because the west is just too untrustworthy

"...Sherr is the archetypal think tank expert. The most interesting part in that biographical sketch – was reading that he was born in New York and holds dual US-UK citizenship. "
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"...The self-delusion, hypocrisy and deceit of Western leaders, policy makers and analysts has no limits. This panel exemplifies this. "
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"...Whenever I see his name, though, I'm reminded of a piece he wrote on Ukraine years ago, long before Maidan. ... it's called "Realism About Ukraine Part I – Internal Conditions. James Sherr, Conflict Studies Research Centre, UK Defence Academy". Read it over carefully; this dates from June 2005, and I found his assessment of the competitors for power to be frank and realistic, especially that on Tymoshenko. "
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"...I have no idea who this guy actually is but, just from that statement I would say he's an empty vessel in moral terms."

marknesop, July 10, 2015 at 7:56 am

I think Russia and the west are quits for good as far as any hope of alliances is concerned, because the west is just too untrustworthy. However, it is my personal opinion that much of the demonization of Putin is intended to make him respond in kind with bellicose rhetoric which will allow him to be cast as an unstable, ranting dictator. Moreover, he seems to see the trap or for whatever reason is avoiding it, choosing instead to keep his criticism mild, measured and slightly mocking. So if that is the strategy, it's failing pretty badly, and it is the western media which looks unhinged.
Published on 15 Jun 2015
What You Need To Know:
✓ Russia needs to win a conclusive victory fairly quickly because this conflict is not economically sustainable for them;
✓ Since the post-Cold War order was established Russia has wanted to discuss the new world order with the West;
✓ Some in the West now understand that this is long term struggle, but it is unclear how much longer some EU members states will support the sanctions;
✓ It is unlikely that Russia will target Georgia next, rather, the next two countries will be Moldova and Belarus because they are more vulnerable;
✓ Things are being achieved in Ukraine primarily because of the civil society which is increasingly strong and self-confident.

"The appearance of a stalemate is deceptive. If the West's sanctions remain in place and the oil price remains low it will be very difficult for the Russian state to function in the way it does now," James Sherr, associate fellow of the Russia and Eurasia programme at Chatham House told Hromadske. The current occupation regime in Donbas is not sustainable economically and Russia no interest in subsidizing it, said Sherr, the situation, therefore, will not remain frozen forever.

"They [Russia] need to win a conclusive victory fairly quickly or time starts to work against them. This creates a dangerous situation because they are under pressure to do something more here," said Sherr. "It might not mean they will take Mariupol but it might mean the kind of military offensive that produced Minsk 1 and 2".

Since the post-Cold War order was established Russia has wanted to discuss the new world order with the West, said Sherr. Russia does not see this as conflict with Ukraine, it views as a conflict in Ukraine but with the West. According to Sherr, the solution from Russia's perspective is to have that conversation with the West, not only about Ukraine but about elsewhere in the former Soviet space, central and eastern Europe.

Some in the West now understand that this is long term struggle, said Sherr. In 2015, the West has been more realistic about what it is facing compared to 2014, when many were talking about the 'Ukraine Crisis' – as if it was something short term. However, the West is also more tired now than it was last year, explained Sherr. Several EU states who imposed sanctions on Russia at the cost of their own economies thought that they would have an effect within a few months. It might take a couple of years and thus it is questionable whether or not they will continue to support the policy, Sherr told Hromadske.

In terms of developments in the rest of the region, according to Sherr, it is unlikely that Russia will target Georgia next. Firstly, the Georgians are very astute and secondly, NATO has a much higher profile there so there is more certainty that they will respond. The next two countries will be Moldova and Belarus because they are more vulnerable. Nobody wants to see Putin defeated more than Alexander Lukashenko because he knows if he is not defeated in Ukraine, he will be next, said Sherr.If Moldova is attacked it is far from certain if the EU or NATO will respond. Romania would respond but it is unclear how. At the moment Russia is doing everything to make Moldova dysfunctional, said Sherr. In the Baltic region, furthered Sherr, one of the dangers is miscalculated accident. It is unclear what could happen if a Russian military plane collided with an SAS Boeing, for instance.

Sherr also discussed the question of Ukraine's energy dependence. According to him, steps have been taken towards making Ukraine more energy efficient. Ukraine is now surviving with a very low level of imports from Russia compared to what it was. However, there is still work to be done improving investor confidence.

One of the worst realities for Ukraine, according to Sherr, is that the system and the culture of power has survived 2 revolutions and is now surviving a war. Things are being achieved in Ukraine primarily because of the civil society which is increasingly strong and self-confident. The state, however, is still a major problem for people "so far much more talk about change than real change.

Hromadske International's Nataliya Gumenyuk spoke with James Sherr on May 28, 2015.

et Al, July 10, 2015 at 2:46 pm
Another prick in the wall.
Warren, July 10, 2015 at 7:43 am

Published on 21 Apr 2015
Lecture by James Sherr about Russia's Challenge to the West' organized by Center for Security and Strategic Research, March 4, 2015.

James Sherr is one of top experts on Russia in the United Kingdom. He is an associate fellow and former head of the Russia and Eurasia programme at the Royal Institute of International Affairs "Chatham House".

He was a fellow of the Conflict Studies Research Centre of the UK Ministry of Defense from 1995 to 2008. He has published extensively on Soviet and Russian military, security and foreign policy. He has spent last weeks in Kiev.

Moscow Exile, July 10, 2015 at 8:15 am
James Sherr
Warren, July 10, 2015 at 8:55 am
Sherr is the archetypal think tank expert. The most interesting part in that biographical sketch – was reading that he was born in New York and holds dual US-UK citizenship.

Sherr and Lucas are the most erudite and loquacious Russophobes in the Anglosphere.

marknesop, July 10, 2015 at 10:53 am
Whenever I see his name, though, I'm reminded of a piece he wrote on Ukraine years ago, long before Maidan. I never had any success linking it because it was an odd document, and the link always led to the wrong story, about an air show in Lvov. Let me see if I can find it again.

Yeah; it's still a weird one, it opens in a new window, so you'll have to google it yourself; it's called "Realism About Ukraine Part I – Internal Conditions. James Sherr, Conflict Studies Research Centre, UK Defence Academy". Read it over carefully; this dates from June 2005, and I found his assessment of the competitors for power to be frank and realistic, especially that on Tymoshenko.

He describes her as "an electoral ally [of Yushchenko] but a personal rival, is not averse to confrontation and seems determined to exercise authority without limit. If Yushchenko has confused leadership with inspiration, she has confused it with control and, to the astonishment of many in Ukraine's business sector, these controls are taking the form of Soviet style 'administrative measures' which extend to the micro economy.". Later he opines (unclear whether this was Tymoshenko's decision or Yushchenko's, but I believe the former), "But this defence cannot be stretched to justify price controls on meat or subsidies on electricity, and the decision to increase public sector salaries by almost 57 per cent flies in the face of economic reality". You go, James.

Northern Star, July 10, 2015 at 10:27 am
"James Sherr is one of top fascist Nazi moron stooges.."

end of story

Warren, July 10, 2015 at 7:45 am

Published on 14 May 2015
Lennart Meri Conference 2015

Saturday, April 25

Tim Owen, July 10, 2015 at 3:45 pm
Might return but only got as far as 4:49 where his nibs suggested that ALL the EU wants is a "borderlands" – oh, the irony – that is, what was it?… "quiet, stable and prosperous" while the inscrutable Russians positively YEARN for a humanitarian disaster on its, you know, ACTUAL border.

I have no idea who this guy actually is but, just from that statement I would say he's an empty vessel in moral terms.

Warren , July 10, 2015 at 7:17 pm
The self-delusion, hypocrisy and deceit of Western leaders, policy makers and analysts has no limits. This panel exemplifies this.
xxx July 10, 2015 at 5:16 pm
Give it a few years at this rate, and you'll be able to get gobbled by your boyfriend on the sidewalk and people will surround you and applaud while the police do a burlesque pantomime beside you in their rainbow vinyl uniforms. I am curious in an academic sort of way to see how far the pendulum will swing as the western democracies vie with one another to see who can be the most gay and hedonistic. This has all happened before, for anyone who never studied history – it was called the Roman Empire. And it will end in tears; you'll see.
Pavlo Svolochenko , July 10, 2015 at 5:21 pm
More recently, in Weimar.

Imagine a visitor to Berlin in 1925. Would he even recognise the place ten years later?

Warren, July 10, 2015 at 7:13 pm
The acceptance of homosexuality is the most potent example of a civilisation that is decadent. Tolerating and indulging in such degeneracy and perversion, demonstrate that such a civilisation no longer cares for its future and no longer has any morals.
marknesop, July 10, 2015 at 9:57 pm
I am absolutely fine with the acceptance of it, because it is not a "problem" for society like alcoholism or chainsaw juggling or diabetes. Healthy homosexuals pay taxes and consume products and laugh and drink and have fun like all the rest of us.

Although I am liberal in my politics I am a social conservative in that I do not care for overt sexual displays in a public setting unless it is a strip club, where presumably you knew what you were getting into when you came in and that's your choice. I do not want to know how you and your partner do it, and I don't want to be forced into thinking about it by having to run down an endless rainbow tunnel surrounded by prancing boys in pink jockstraps.

Just keep it to yourself and confine your lust to significant glances exchanged with one another, and we'll be just fine. Being forced to play gooseberry to overt gay displays is embarrassing and uncomfortable for me, and just when we were beginning to internalize the lesson that thinking about your fellow citizens' feelings was important, the tolerance train pulled into the station and the rule book was thrown away in favour of celebrating homosexuality.

I don't have anything against it – I'm just not interesting in being dragged into a neverending boogie of celebration of it. I'm even less interested in it just so my country can thumb its nose at other countries and say "Beat that, you anti-gay brute!"

[Jul 14, 2015] Grexit may have been avoided, but divisions in Europe are growing

"...Even in a Social democratic Europe the problems of the Euro would remain. The difference in economies and outlook, the needs are too different. Neo-Liberalism has accelerated the exposing of the contradictions though."
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"...Seems to me that Europe is being ruled by Germany. Germany is the main beneficiary of the Euro of course, and it was the Euro which got the country's economy moving forward powerfully again after its stagnation of the nineties. "
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"...Therefore: yes, we Germans have indeed access to neutral reporting. It is part of our media landscape. Amazing. Any English-speaking student of the philosophy of history will tell you that 'neutral' or 'objective' history does not and cannot exist. And what happened yesterday, indeed just now, is 'history'. However, according to you, it seems that Germans have overcome the problems of identifying a 'fact' and presenting 'facts' in a manner which in no way reflects the author's prejudices. Which means (i) you Germans really are robots devoid of human emotion, or (ii) you be talking rubbish. Personally I reckon it's the latter but feel free to correct me."
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"..."They crucified Tsipras in there," a senior eurozone official who had attended the summit remarked. "Crucified." http://t.co/Ue9ENl3tIz "
Jul 12, 2015 | The Guardian

Although couched in fairly careful language, subject to votes in the Greek parliament and with the proposed privatisation fund to be based in the country rather than – as originally suggested – abroad, the agreement reached deprives Greece of an enormous amount of its sovereignty. It may stop short of the "coup" mentioned at times overnight, but – unless the Greek parliament balks in coming days – Greece is no longer master of its own destiny.

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The southern countries face the refugee crisis from across the Mediterranean; France has made a partial return to Africa, as a byproduct of the chaos in Libya. The countries to the north, and especially the east, are newly apprehensive about Russia, following events in Ukraine, but their fears are not entirely shared by the "new" Europeans further south, who are more concerned about their economic losses from anti-Russian sanctions.

The EU countries are suddenly looking outward in many different and divisive ways. Until now, though, the Franco-German alliance has remained constant, and the union, including the common currency, remains intact. Last night it was possible, if only fleetingly, to sense the perils that await if that centre cannot hold.


mattus 13 Jul 2015 19:02

You can take money off a country, but you have to do it on the sly! So that the country does not notice.

Financial Waterboarding is not the right tactic.

for a historical comparison:

https://radicaleconomicthought.wordpress.com/2015/06/18/how-to-get-repaid/


mattus TheVeggieBurgher 13 Jul 2015 18:59

Troika does not equal lifeboats, they are destroyers!


mattus 13 Jul 2015 18:57

Grexit has not been avoided, just as the Versaille treaty did not avoid the eventual non-compliance by the Germans. Greeks 2015 and Germans 1918 were both humiliated. They have to produce for foreign powers under severe oversight and a treaty that is not perceived to be fair.

That will not work.

What will work, however is a Grexit which allows Greece to keep Euro as its currency. Is that possible? Of course Montenegro does so:

https://radicaleconomicthought.wordpress.com/2015/07/13/how-to-grexit-gracefully/


HumanTraffic bally38 13 Jul 2015 16:58

Amusing that you quote what was seen as the worst decision by a British Foreign Office in recent history. It gave away the moral authority and high-grund the UK has in 1955 (against the wishes of Mr Churchill), it allowed the original 6 to go on to be hugely more successful than the UK in the next 30 years and within 10 years a British government was begging to be let in, finally being allowed once de Gaulle had lost power.

By the time the UK entered we were bankrupt, had tried to spend and devalue our way out of repeated crises (and failed) at the cost of the value of the pound and the destruction of most big industries.

We then entered to an EEC which was almost entirely crafted to support a French-style agricultural sector and ensure that the Berlin-Paris axis would rule the roost. In subsequent years of course we have acted as the cuckoo-in-the-nest, constantly bitching, moaning and belittling and finally, with the John Major widen-don't-deepen approach to undermining may get the way of the Tory Europhobe.


TimTimpson HolgerHallmann 13 Jul 2015 16:09

But Germany IS doing it again; assuming she knows what's best for other countries, imposing her Will on other Peoples, seeking to dominate Europe and doing it by abusing her power.

Rather than showing the generosity and humanity of the Greeks and others after WWII, when the vast debt owed by Germany was written off, she seeks to humiliate and dictate to another nation in order to expropriate their treasures.


retsdon -> Eddiel899 13 Jul 2015 15:26

I don't think it was a deliberate scam. The problem was the cash from massive German trade surpluses looking for a higher return outside domestic Germany meeting massive demand from peripheral Europe to jig their lifestyles, competitiveness, infrastructure, whatever up to northern standards. As there was nothing to within the combined Eurozone to stop northern banks lending or peripheral Europeans borrowing ( at negative real rates at times), it's hardly surprising that the result was an enormous credit bubble which was sooner or later bound to burst in tears.

The real problem is that the losses from the burst were not equitably assigned - far too much of the cost landing on the shoulders of peripheral Europe's workers and middle-class savers already mired in the inevitable recession.


Danny Sheahan -> Marendins 13 Jul 2015 14:17

Even in a Social democratic Europe the problems of the Euro would remain. The difference in economies and outlook, the needs are too different.

Neo-Liberalism has accelerated the exposing of the contradictions though.


TimTimpson -> Vincent Veal 13 Jul 2015 13:38

Are you serious? you want to remain in the organisation that has just behaved in that manner towards a member requiring support. You must have shares in JP Morgan or something.


jackheron -> CaptainGrey 13 Jul 2015 13:26

Yes, although Syriza are basically mopping up what earlier, usually right-wing, governments screwed up. If you do a little, you know, reading about the subject, you'll find that since democracy was introduced in Greece (I tend to go for 1952, when women finally got the vote), Greeks have in fact been cautious, conservative voters, cleaving to the right in times of crisis.

Although frankly why I'm bothering to explain this to someone who identifies with one of the weedier characters in Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons is, I will confess, baffling. Everyone knows that Captain Black was the ne'er-do-well hipster, and with that five o'clock shadow that makes Greek men so irresistible.

Coolhandluke77 13 Jul 2015 12:46

That is what the Euro or shared currency means - loss of sovereignty.

The new deal seems to a new take on fraudulent loans: assets are seized and loans given even though there is no credible way they can be paid back.

If this is "a coup" then the coup leaders are easy to identify. They are The Great Left Hope - Syriza. Many on the left were spell bound by Syriza, and now they turn on the anti-German chauvinism rather than see their illusions punctured.

It's all about maintaining the Euro - a political and vanity project - at any cost.

BritCol Tracey Savage 13 Jul 2015 12:20

Try reading some economists other than Milton Friedman. Maybe start with Heilbroner, or Galbraith or even Schumpeter. There are other options besides the Chicago school of trickle down pennies.

Danny Sheahan whitecross 13 Jul 2015 12:13

Also that anyone who challenges Germany's economic needs will be slammed down hard.

A currency union where the needs and protection of one trumps the needs of all others is doomed to fail in acrimony.


afortiorama misterlunch 13 Jul 2015 11:46

It's exactly the same, they had debts and they didn't have the money to repay them. Iceland defaulted and recovered, Argentina defaulted and didn't recover (wait for Kirchner to step down and then you'll see the vultures that are already circling it will tead Argentina apart); Greece has a EU anchor. Tsipras tried to bluff his way out - I don't blame him - and lost.


whitworthflange Eddiel899 13 Jul 2015 11:34

Seems to me that Europe is being ruled by Germany. Germany is the main beneficiary of the Euro of course, and it was the Euro which got the country's economy moving forward powerfully again after its stagnation of the nineties.

Germany lent the money to its neighbours to buy German goods in its new European wide home market, and in the process most of those neighbours lost the majority of their manufacturing capability as Germany out competed and drove it out of business.


ShakeyDave R. Sokol 13 Jul 2015 11:28

There's a BBC Newsnight report about it here, too: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17108367


ShakeyDave taketheatrain 13 Jul 2015 11:26

So - how's the privatised power industry working out for everyone in the UK?


david119 13 Jul 2015 11:24

"The agreement reached deprives Greece of an enormous amount of its sovereignty"

If a country joins the Euro it does loose some national sovereignty, that has been obvious from the start.

But it was not necessary to deprive Greeks of dignity and hope.

There is nothing in the rules of the Euro that says that European taxpayers have to bail out banks that engage in reckless and irresponsible lending. Those banks should have been allowed to go bust as Northern Rock was allowed to go bust when it engaged in irresponsible and reckless lending to individuals.

There are two sides to this.

Greece needs hope. It will never realistically be able to pay back it's mountain of debt, much of its debt needs to be cancelled.

But on the other hand anyone who has lived in Greece knows that the creaking, bureaucratic Greek State will never reform itself and if Greeks want to continue to use the Euro this reform urgently needs to happen.

So the EU needs to combine basic humanity with toughness over the reform of the Greek State. If Greeks want to carry on as usual then they have to exit the Common Currency. All the Greeks that I know accept this.

Having said all this, I have a lingering suspicision that my local airport on Syros is going to be sold off for a bargain basement price to some asset stripping International Bank. That shouldn't happen. Greece's financial woes shouldn't be an excuse to asset strip the whole of Greece.


MrGadgie HolgerHallmann 13 Jul 2015 11:10

And if you had any idea about 'facts', you'd know that even the very identification of a 'fact' is subjective and therefore not 'neutral', which was your choice of word. And the process of identifying 'facts' comes before the act of reporting them, another process that is subjective and thus not neutral.

But you feel free to kid yourself that German newspapers contain 'neutral' reporting while accusing others of stupidity. Must be great belonging to a superior nation, nein?


letsbeavinya MerlinUK 13 Jul 2015 11:06

The end of sovereignty? Possibly. The start of responsibility?

Do me a favour, the Greek nation isn't a naughty child that has to be humiliated into "behaving". If the French and German bankers had "behaved" there would have been a fraction debt owed in the first place.


cessle 13 Jul 2015 10:59

There is no " agreement". There is an ultimatum.

If Greece has any sense at all it will reject this ultimatum and default. It will receive more humanitarian aid from the EU that will actually get to the people who need it most than if it capitulates to the EU, EC, ECB and IMF and re-capitalises it banks from more unrepayable bail-outs designed to keep the failed European project afloat.

Germany, quite unfairly, will be blamed for forcing out the Greeks and for setting in motion the end of the EU and its bastard progeny the Euro. Its relationship with France will deteriorate markedly.

France, Spain and Italy will be looking nervously over their shoulders as they watch speculators bet on who will be next out of the failed currency.

Will a Brexit be necessary? Could be academic.


Eddiel899 13 Jul 2015 10:55

The predictable outcome has been arrived at.

The bankers are again happy and the losers are again going to be Germany and Greece. For this is a charade to rob Germany of whatever wealth it has left with the pretence of keeping Europe and Greece on the right path. And we don't have to look far to see who is pulling the strings ....... the oligarchs who now rule Europe through what is euphemistically called the Troika.


MrGadgie HolgerHallmann 13 Jul 2015 10:51

Therefore: yes, we Germans have indeed access to neutral reporting. It is part of our media landscape.

Amazing. Any English-speaking student of the philosophy of history will tell you that 'neutral' or 'objective' history does not and cannot exist. And what happened yesterday, indeed just now, is 'history'.

However, according to you, it seems that Germans have overcome the problems of identifying a 'fact' and presenting 'facts' in a manner which in no way reflects the author's prejudices.

Which means (i) you Germans really are robots devoid of human emotion, or (ii) you be talking rubbish. Personally I reckon it's the latter but feel free to correct me.

reddan 13 Jul 2015 10:33

This from the Financial Times

"They crucified Tsipras in there," a senior eurozone official who had attended the summit remarked. "Crucified." http://t.co/Ue9ENl3tIz

Interesting debate below between Syrizia central committee member Stathis Kouvelakis and Proffessor Alex Callinicos on 11th July at Marxism in London.

https://youtu.be/1paxMRddO0M

pwatson 13 Jul 2015 10:26

What a fudge, what a deliberate attempt to downplay the significance of what has been occurring. How perfidious.

letsbeavinya taketheatrain 13 Jul 2015 10:24

Although the deal is imposed from outside it is a good deal. It offers the opportunity for Greece to start to rebuild its finances and governance. In my view this is a better option than Grexit, a return to the Drachma, a world of hurt and a probable return to business as usual.

What a load of guff.
This is the end of sovereignty for the Greek parliament.

[Jul 13, 2015] Germany is attempting to force Greece out of the common currency union as a lesson to France

Tim Owen , July 12, 2015 at 4:52 am

The EU is a sick joke:

"The independent economics-writer, Charles Hugh Smith - who was one of only 29 economists worldwide who predicted the 2008 crash in advance and who explained accurately how and why it was going to occur - has provided a more honest description of the sources of Greece's depression:

1. Goldman Sachs conspired with [actually: were hired by] Greece's corrupt kleptocracy to conjure up an illusion of solvency and fiscal prudence so Greece could join the Eurozone [despite Greek aristocrats' massive tax-evasion, which created the original problem].

2. Vested interests and insiders gorged on the credit being offered by German and French [and other] banks, enriching themselves to the tune of tens of billions of euros, which were transferred to private accounts in Switzerland at the first whiff of trouble. When informed of this, Greek authorities took no action; after all, why track down your cronies and force them to pay taxes when tax evasion is the status quo for financial elites?

3. If Greece had defaulted in 2010 when its debt was around 110 billion euros, the losses would have fallen on the banks that had foolishly lent the money without proper due diligence or risk management. This is what should have happened in a market economy: those who foolishly lent extraordinary sums to poor credit risks take the resulting (and entirely predictable) losses."

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/07/how-fascist-capitalism-functions-the-case-of-greece.html

marknesop July 12, 2015 at 11:18 am
Here's a very interesting article by recently-departed Greek Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis. He contends that Germany is the driving force behind it, and that Germany is attempting to force Greece out of the common currency union as a lesson to France, to put the fear of God into them. In such circumstances, Tsipras's erratic behaviour and overall spinelessness just gets in the way.

This fits well with the image of Germany as the emerging leader of a new Europe, but not so well with the concept of a Germany that is more a friend to Moscow and less a tool of Washington.

In fact, it sounds like a country rent with internal struggle which is trending toward a boil itself.

[Jul 13, 2015]Greece and eurozone reach agreement in bailout talks

Greece remain a debt slave.... The condition in which it was put by previous neoliberal goverments...
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"...All of it is nasty. It revolts me. Rich scumbags win and the small people pay"
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"...Greece will now be governed in the way that all countries will be governed in the future. Neoliberal institutions will have the world in their grip and dictate all policy so they can squeeze every last drop out of the people justifying this because money is owed. Conquest by indebting nations this is the perfect instrument to destroy all self determination."
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"...Its not the germans. They are just the convenient target. We all know its the banks behind the governments."
Jul 13, 2015 | The Guardian

Rabiesx15 -> elboberto 13 Jul 2015 10:03

All of it is nasty. It revolts me. Rich scumbags win and the small people pay
The majority of leading politicians, business owners and bankers need to take a long look in the mirror and ask themselves what divides them from Norman Bates, to me they all seem to be psychopaths

rogerfranklin 13 Jul 2015 10:01

Well, I never thought I'd say this, but well done to French socialist Hollande and Italian banker Draghi for doing just enough to (hopefully) prevent armageddon. Of course this deal won't work and we'll all be back here in a year or so but at least the eurozone hasn't been turned into the ERM with Italy and Spain the next targets.

Branko Dodig -> inconvenient_truth 13 Jul 2015 10:00

They don't want to waste their people's money? They have already done so when Greece was technically in default in 2012; they bought off the bank-held bad debt (which happened due to irresponsible lending of banks wishing for higher returns since Germany etc could not absorb the capital and had very unattractive interest rates).

Realistically, bubbles form and deficit soars when there is an inflow of cheap capital, as it was to the periphery of Europe in the 2000s. It's not just a "periphery of Europe thing", a mentality or cultural problem, because the same thing happened in the USA in various periods, and in Germany as well (the famous French "indemnity" which caused a crisis in Germany afterwards).

If we treat the symptoms and not the causes in the way the EU and specifically the Eurozone is set up, we're just going to have recurring problems of this sort.


RichardDargan 13 Jul 2015 09:58

Perhaps this is the end of democracy, in that the will of the people in a country however misguided it might be in what it wants, has been subjugated to the money machine.

The Greeks voted against austerity at least twice. The first time was when they elected Syriza and the second time was when they voted 'No' in the referendum a week ago. The ratcheting up of the terms of what the Greeks have to do to get their money means they now have worse terms than those they started with. Vindictiveness or what, on the part of the ECB and others calling the shots? Is the vindictiveness aimed as a warning to other countries (?Italy and Spain?) who might find themselves, in the future, in a similar position?

I have the nagging feeling that the 'result' of these negotiations has more to do with the internal politics of Germany and Finland and other countries pushing for harder terms than with the situation in Greece.

It will be the 'ordinary' Greeks who will have to pay for the fecklessness of the political and wealthy classes who probably have got their money out and safe in some offshore location. It all leaves something of a dirty taste in the mouth the way this has been handled. So much for democracy when the unelected money-men and women start dealing with the affairs of countries.

nursinggardener 13 Jul 2015 09:53

Greece will now be governed in the way that all countries will be governed in the future. Neoliberal institutions will have the world in their grip and dictate all policy so they can squeeze every last drop out of the people justifying this because money is owed. Conquest by indebting nations this is the perfect instrument to destroy all self determination.


lsjogren -> AdelJ
13 Jul 2015 09:52

Greece is not in debtor's prison. They are free to reneg on their debts and abandon the Euro. And that is what they should do because;

1). In the long run it will be in their best interest
2). It will expose the Eurofarce and force the other countries of Europe to stop basing their economies on the false premise that failed economies are capable of paying off their debts over time.

trobriander 13 Jul 2015 09:50

A word of truth must be said here. Tspiras deserves an applause. The man was voted in to help a nation on the brink. He was fighting hard to save those dearest to him while trying to talk some sense into creditors who make the merchant of Venice look like a gentleman.

He called for a tough referendum to exercise transparency with the Greeks for the initial bail out. Conversely, Merkel (who earned herself a solid F [0/100] for the Greek course) called it a bluff and threatened if outcome were NO then it was immediate Euro exit – she even refused to talk until after the referendum, which was further damaging.

With a big OXI mandate, the man went back to Brussel to negotiate better proposal – carrying with him even a bigger load, in return, the EZ have further entrenched – as if every leader held a bat, waiting turn to get a swing at the ball

Once a wise man said: good finance brings about good friends…
Dear Tspiras, There are hardly any good friends left within the EZ!

thinkoutloud 13 Jul 2015 10:07

I have always supported our membership of the EU and have seen as a force for good and particularly as a way Europe can be big enough to manage rather than be controlled by finance.

Well, this has given me real cause for concern and i am now far less worried about the prospect of our leaving the EU. Indeed I may vote for it (100% reversal of previous views).

The Eu has turned on its people, putting finance and the markets first. if you ever had any doubts, you now know what loss of national sovereignty really means.

Almost the only time we hear of Nations nowadays is in their role as supporters of the finance industry, to bear their risk and to have their ordinary people bear the consequences of financial system (greed and ) failure. Beyond that, Nations as cultural and political entities no longer exist, they are just 'economies' - they serve the markets.

I had thought financiers and bankers got high salaries because they took huge risks, but it appears it is we the ordinary people who take the risks while they take the profits with the help of our politicians.

yuk!


mgtuzairodtiiasn -> greatapedescendant 13 Jul 2015 10:06

Thank you for your wishes, but I think that Tsipras will soon be a political zombie. This was the plan of the gang in Brussels and Berlin, and I cannot understand why he failed to do something to avoid the traps. The agreement is not viable. We will have a discussion about this subject again, very soon. Unfortunately, now the only alternative in the Greek political system is Golden Dawn. A racist and nationalist party. The Greeks will vote to support this party, not because they are racists and nationalists. (You can see almost all Greeks offering food and cloths to the thousands of illegal immigrants and refugees. A problem that has its roots to the irresponsibility of the northern countries.) But they will support Golden Dawn because they want a way to express their opposition to all politicians which act as betrayers, like Tsipras.


jonathanpt 13 Jul 2015 10:06

This is not the deal they rejected last week, that was a short term extension of the second bail-out for 8 billion.This is a new 3 year 3rd bail-out for 80 billion.

However as a long term europhile and strong supporter of Britains membership of the EU ,the way Greece has been treated leaves me wondering,for the first time, about our continuing membership and there will be more like me, unintended consequences.... Brixit???


lsjogren crumlinbob 13 Jul 2015 09:48

crum: Greece has taken a stand, "we hate the neo-liberal superstate, and we want to remain part of the neo-liberal superstate".

Sorry, they can't have it both ways.


amrit radnor 13 Jul 2015 09:48

These previous Greek leaders were hovering in Brussel like birds looking for dead animal's body.

Regime change game is yet to end.

Present government could get defeated and new elections could take place.


illywacker Gulfstream5 13 Jul 2015 09:46

1) It is the private banks that ran out of our money with which to gamble.

2) Socialism is precisely about using richer people's money to help those who have little. Thatcher does not acknowledge such generosity as a factor in human relations ("no such thing as society", etc. etc.), which tells you everything you need to know.


lsjogren crumlinbob 13 Jul 2015 09:44

crum: You just don't get it. National sovereignty and a common currency with other nations are incompatible. Greece can either have the Euro or national sovereignty, not both.


soundofthesuburbs 13 Jul 2015 09:43

"Athens has also agreed to sell off state assets worth €50bn, with the proceeds earmarked for a trust fund supervised by its creditors. Half the fund will be used to recapitalise Greek banks, while the remaining €25bn will pay down Greek debts."

Banks are institutions where the profits remain in private hands and the losses are socialised.

Can anyone explain?

brnost 13 Jul 2015 09:42

When unelected bodies force an elected government to surrender its financial sovereignty, the word "coup" is the only one that can be used. No one emerges with credit from this, but Germany and Merkel come out looking very ugly indeed. It should never have come to this. It was Syriza's predecessors who got into the mess, but the troika were complicit, and their humiliation of Greece to cover their own culpability has exposed the moral bankruptcy of the whole Euro project.

mgtuzairodtiiasn PeregrineSlim 13 Jul 2015 09:42

It is true. The first loans were given to Greece when the state was born after the Ottoman occupation. So, all subsequent loans were given just for the payment of the previous loans. But, although the nominal amounts were very large, only small parts of them were received by the Greeks. The rest of the money was considered in all cases as warranties, commission etc. The Greek state in fact was forced to get this loans with the threat of favoring the "enemies". Except of a small period before 1893, when some money was spent to improve the infrastructure, in all other periods the money was spent for military equipment, mainly warships which were sold by the lenders.

crumlinbob 13 Jul 2015 09:35

Disgraceful treatment of a soverign country. The EU has become a nasty shambles. The austerity measure being forced on the Greeks will not help that country one bit. Things will get worse as most economists (without a right wing blinkered view) have stated. Hell even the IMF have said they got their figures wrong. So what is being foistered on Greece wont work. So whay is it being forced on them? To teach the people that democracy is in no way equal to corporate finance and how dare they vote a left wing government to cause such upset to the neo liberal superstate. The EU is a disgrace.

AdelJ 13 Jul 2015 09:31

The result of the agreement will probably not be known until six months hence but if more damage is done to the Greek economy will this be considered a success? I hope it works but on the face of it it looks both a political and economic disaster for Greece. Did Greece stuff up in the way they borrowed and spent - most certainly, but surely the end result has to be both reform and the chance of a thriving economy in the future. I fear this agreement will not deliver. The Greeks have basically been put in debtors prison. When Schauble asked the Greek negotiators how much to leave the eurozone the best answer might have been to give him a figure.

ukchange68 jahiz123 13 Jul 2015 09:31

slave states - ALL to do with finance, nothing to do with countries


pedro15 Doug_Niedermeyer 13 Jul 2015 09:29

Russia would have defeated the Axis on its own ,just taken a bit longer.

You came into the War in '17 when the Europeans had lost millions over 4 years ,Germany was using 16 year olds and on its last legs with rampant starvation. Bit like you stand back ,watch 3 guys batter a fourth into the ground then when the fourth is unconscious you join in helping the kicking .Just enough time in ww1 to get enough experience for your 'we saved the world movies.

You didn't declare War on Germany until Hitler ,down to some weird sense of loyalty to Japan declared war on USA after Pearl Harbour, and after Germany had in effect lost the Russian campaign befor Moscow. I believe for the aid of a few destroyers you took a chunk of the Caribbean off us.

If you are so great please explain why you have not won a single War, up to and including Iraq, since ww2.

mgtuzairodtiiasn Isanybodyouthere 13 Jul 2015 09:26

In fact the Finnish economy faces huge problems. It is even in a worse situation than the Greek one. The Greek problems are in some degree artificial, due e.g. to the actions of Schauble, but the Finnish problems are all substantial. Finland has lost two of its main sectors, the Forest industry, and telecommunications. Also, there is a huge housing bubble, as in Sweden too. I expect that while we are talking about Greece, another country (Finland? Belgium? ) will soon explode. Notice that while the Greek public debt is very high, the total debt is much lower than that of other countries. E.g. the mean household of Greece owes 109% of its income, while the Dutch one owes 317%. So, there are many countries much more indebted, and all this noise about Greece helps politicians to hide the problems there are existent in their countries.

david wright 13 Jul 2015 09:26

Angela Merkel said: "I never make historical comparisons."

Of course not. She daren't. In 1953, Germany was essentially let of the hook for huge amounts in return for bveing a good ally and helping ounter the Soviet union (which indeed needed countering). Then in Reunification, the former West germany accepted East german currency at par with the Deutschmark, a huge giveaway - 25% would have been generous. Finally, EuroReichsKanzlor Merkel daren't think of the possible blowback from her imposition of a 'worse than Versailles' solution on Greece. Hear and see no evil. If only she could have made the hat trick, and done none. The underlying situation is utterly unchanged. The same go-round will begin in between a couple of months, and three years. It ain't over til it's over, and it ain't over yet, baby.

soundofthesuburbs 13 Jul 2015 09:23

Greece is a banker gamble that didn't pay off.

Bankers worked on the assumption that Germany would pick up all debts, if there were problems.

This lead to bond yields across the Euro-zone being exceptionally low.

Following this assumption, lending to anyone was like lending to Germany, but there was a slightly higher margin in lending to Greece which made it more profitable.

When it became apparent Germany was not going to pick up the tab, bond yields soared in countries like Greece and sustainable debt became unsustainable.

The EU moved the banker's bad debts to the taxpayers of Europe and the bankers gamble has been left to run its course, with them being saved from any losses.

bensdad 13 Jul 2015 09:23

And there we have it. The EU may be dead in the water, but at least we now have a IVth Reich.

TimTimpson EloiCasali 13 Jul 2015 09:20

Greece's hidden economy is about 25% of GDP.
Germany's 15%
Britain's around 10%
USA 7%

Germans should let the British and Americans run their economy, the tax dodgers!

http://www.economist.com/node/16792848

GordonLiddle drdirk 13 Jul 2015 09:18

I concur. One of my reasons for wanting to be in the EU, apart from peace etc, was that it gave us a level of protection from the right wing Neo-Liberal drift in the UK. The recent treatment of Greece in these negotiations and the coup yesterday has left me scratching my head, particularly as we also have right wing group of fanatics in charge here as well.


ukchange68 drdirk 13 Jul 2015 09:19

very, very well said.
Its not the germans. They are just the convenient target. We all know its the banks behind the governments.
This greek capitualtion will go down in history as one of those moments that was missed/wasted.
the orcs are on the march........


libbyliberal 13 Jul 2015 09:17

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/07/13/whats-the-deal-syriza-the-troika-and-the-future-of-austerity-in-greece/

Peter Bohmer;

It is important that the Greek people not be alone in this struggle. In the United States and other countries, we should connect our struggles against austerity at home to solidarity with the Greek people, their social movements and with left political parties who share this politics and practice. The struggle in Greece for an alternative to austerity is so important not only for the Greek people but for all people who want to live in a world where human needs are put at the center of our politics and economics.


drdirk 13 Jul 2015 09:14

People, please stop bashing the Germans in general. As a German, I feel very ashamed what the Merkel administration and its allies did to Greece in these "negociations". We should all concentrate on the matter, that democracy has been hijacked by a neoliberal elite of politicians and banks. All over Europe, led by the northern states. They are trying to establish a new form of governing all over Europe. There is no difference whether you live in England, Germany or elsewhere. They want it all and they want it now. Believe me, I know many fellow Germans who strongly feel disgusted by this government, maybe not enough ( the German media has been rediculously supportive of the German finance minister ) . The social democrats are dead. They should just join the Conservatives. If progressive left wing and liberal people don't come up with a new political way for Europe, things will go dark. The orks are already waiting to come out of their holes...

LouisianaAlba 13 Jul 2015 09:10

Bad deals are cemented in history and this one looks ready to be cemented. Krugman labels the process leading to it, vindictive. We all want to hope for the best and trust in the abilities of those managing the bad end of this deal in Greece, but I think all their abilities will be tested too much. I put in an earlier comment that magically disappeared from these columns who and what I thought was the beginning of all this. The magic word Versailles has now been brought elsewhere. Read the Varoufakis New Statesman interview..there is no doubt who was in charge of all this.

http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2015/07/yanis-varoufakis-full-transcript-our-battle-save-greece

alemontree 13 Jul 2015 09:09

A typical case of "damned if you do, damned if you don't" , especially for Germany. I remember well the times when everybody (including the UK incidentally) was criticizing Germany for lack of leadership. Now Merkel leads and gets criticized for being heavy-handed, Versailles-jackboot-Panzer analogies included. I am not a fan of hers and I don't delude myself that this deal is going to solve Greece's problems for the next decades. However, considering the alternatives, namely a messy Grexit with a humanitarian crisis of biblical proportions, it doesn't warrant all that name calling. Don't forget that Merkel has to sell this deal in Germany as well. Considering public opinion there is staunchly anti-bailout. that's not going to be a lot of fun either. Perhaps we should all pipe down a notch and wait how this plays out before declaring the end of the EU.

W61212 Alexander2015 13 Jul 2015 09:06

No, capital debts remain. If Greece left EZ it would at least not be locked into another larger bailout that would like the prior, is impossible to repay. Grexit now and not increase the debt, or stay in EZ, get another bailout and the debt would be unpayable sometime down the line. Bailouts for Greece are carousel, get bailout, can't repay, get another bailout, can't pay - and can't pay because of imposed austerity. Which is why this must stop.


Isanybodyouthere 13 Jul 2015 09:05

Interesting, the fledgling Finnish govt which is a coalition of right wing and right of centre groups would have fallen if they had voted to give Greece more concessions. So it's not just Tsipras and Syriza living dangerously. I also have a feeling Finland's EU membership will be severely tested if this coalition is to hold.


psygone 13 Jul 2015 08:56

After Greece defaulted on its sovereign debt in 1893, the UK, France, the Austria-Hungarian Empire, the German Empire, the Russian Empire and several Italian independent states created the "International Financial Commission of Control".

The institution headquartered in Athens with more than 5,000 mostly foreign employes, supervised the public finances of Greece which was imposed by European powers, who had bailed out Greece in autumn of 1897 when the country bankrupted four years earlier.

The Commission supervised the collection ot taxable incomes from salt, olive oil, matches, playing cards, cigarette papers and Naxos emery, tobacco, stamp duties and the Piraeus customs office's duties.

The goal was the payment of the country's debts to its creditors.

However, the institution's official last act was an emergency evacuation on 6 April 1941 as Nazi German and Italian troops entered Athens.

The "International Financial Commission of Control" did return to Athens in 1945 but with only 12 employees and continued to operate in Greece until 1978 when the 1893 debt was finally "written off" -- 81 years total.


Lawrie Griffith Casablancaboy 13 Jul 2015 08:54

Poland is being shored up as a bastion of containment against Russia.
If Greece was strategically important in this new cold war with Russia it be awash with money and its debts wiped.


CroppyNotDown W61212 13 Jul 2015 08:53

Tsipras is too young to know the full extent of German vindictiveness. He is not to be faulted for assuming that he was negotiating with democrats.
Greece should have sent Manolis Glezos. He has a better gut feel for what he is up against. He has seen it before.


Γιώργος Πρίμπας Phil Gollin 13 Jul 2015 08:51

And the truth is that Greece is occupied by Germans conservatives politicians (who will borrow money with 0,0something % rate and will lend the Greeks with at least 2,5% rate) who promise to eat the money from Greeks.

Thank you for yours help!

Of course if the German government will want to cut money from social heath it will say: the Greeks! :-)
so idiots are those who will believe it!


AnOwl 13 Jul 2015 08:50

I'll tell you what the demands look like. They look like the demands that Austria-Hungary made of Serbia in July 1914. IN that case, the Austro-Hungarians thought that Serbia would never accept the terms and expected a war. Serbia, of course, did accept them (even though they were widely regarded in European diplomatic circles as a humiliation) and we all ended up going to war anyway.

Whilst there is little militarism in today's Europe, I can't help but note the similarities in the degree of belligerence. And I agree with Varoufakis that the end result of this will be as significant for th elong-term future of Europe as Westphalia, Versailles or the Treat of Rome.


Silvertown DJT1Million 13 Jul 2015 08:50

The EU has behaved totally dishonourably preferring to destroy the economy of a fellow member of the EU to protect the bankers who foolishly had loaned the Greek state billions.

The Greek people are suffering so the bankers of Frankfurt, Paris Milan, Madrid etc do not have sleepless nights waiting for the 'people's governments' to require the Banks to take a haircut rather than pauperise their citizens.

[Jul 13, 2015] The Ukrainian state is disintegrating and Washington smiles beatifically, having created another Libya, this time on Russia's doorstep

Jul 12, 2015 | marknesop.wordpress.com

marknesop, July 12, 2015 at 10:59 am

They just love fighting with guns and the thrill of shooting to kill. The front is boring right now, shooting artillery into cities does not have the same gratification. The only way for Ukraine to purge itself of Right Sector is to kill them all. So long as any are left alive they will cling to their guns – which nobody seems to be able to make them give up – and foment armed insurrection.

The Ukrainian state is disintegrating and Washington smiles beatifically, having created another Libya, this time on Russia's doorstep.

karl1haushofer , July 12, 2015 at 5:27 am
"Yarosh hates Avakov even more than he hates the Russians."

Aren't they both Russians themselves? Yarosh does not even speak Ukrainian and Avakov is a Russian name.

Pavlo Svolochenko, July 12, 2015 at 5:37 am
Yarosh, yes. Avakov (Avakian?) is an Armenian from Baku.
et Al, July 12, 2015 at 4:29 am
Via Antiwar.com

Neuters: Kerry doesn't view Russia as existential threat: State Department
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/10/us-usa-defense-dunford-state-idUSKCN0PK27120150710

…"If you want to talk about a nation that could pose an existential threat to the United States, I'd have to point to Russia," Dunford said. "And if you look at their behavior, it's nothing short of alarming."

U.S. State Department spokesman Mark Toner said Kerry did not share the assessment, even though Russia's actions in Ukraine posed regional security challenges.

"The secretary doesn't agree with the assessment that Russia is an existential threat to the United States, nor China, quite frankly," Toner told a regular news briefing when asked about Dunford's remarks.

"You know, these are major powers with whom we engage and cooperate on a number of issues, despite any disagreements we may have with them," he said. "Certainly we have disagreements with Russia and its activities within the region, but we don't view it as an existential threat."…
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The problem with ignorant blowhards like Dunford is that if their words are to be taken seriously, then seriously needs to be funded with cold, hard dollars. Resources daarlings. The USA has pinned its flag to the Asia Swivel (aka fk China!) as its fundamental future military posture.

That is an expensive proposition.

To then start bivolating (sp?) about Russia means some cash going to contain China would have to go instead to containing Russia, which so far, the USA has been doing on the very cheap by using Ukrainians as willing (or not so) canonfodder and the Europeans paying the economic consequences. To mix a metaphor or three, the US Gorilla shits in an European chinashop and still expects fawning applause for the performance*. Instead, by amping up the rhetoric via NATO and bigging up the Russia threat, the USA is trying to get Europe to pay (new UK budget promises 2% GDP on weapons) for the US' own mess and aggressive anti-Russia policy, squaring the military budget circle if you will. Except, it is not working. Europe as a whole will still not pick up the military tab US wants it to. This is the de facto recognition by Europe that the Russia threat is total bullshit, in total contradiction of all the mass propaganda to the opposite by the pork pie news networks.

* "It's like a jungle some times it makes me wonder how I keep from going under" – Rapper's Delight

Warren, July 12, 2015 at 7:50 am

The Europeans need to free themselves from American yoke, the Americans must have serious leverage on European leaders to explain their servility to the US.

* "It's like a jungle some times it makes me wonder how I keep from going under"

That line comes from Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five – The Message

marknesop, July 12, 2015 at 11:06 am

All that notwithstanding, Kerry is out of favour and the State Department has the bit in its teeth. It likes the cut of Dunford's jib and his willingness to help imprint brand "Russian Aggression". Kerry's demurrals are not going to mean anything in the great scheme of things, and it is much too late for him to assuage his conscience now for all the lies he told and partisan bullshit he spread. He deserves to ride his doomed state down nearly as much as the rest of his government.

Jeremn, July 12, 2015 at 5:06 am
Just looking at who funds the ECFR.
http://www.ecfr.eu/about/donors
George Soros is the primary funder, and the European Commission also supplies money. Then there's a whole slew of banks, oil firms and foundations. Interesting reading.
marknesop, July 12, 2015 at 11:20 am
It would of course be a generalization, but just about everywhere you find a western agency fomenting revolution and stirring up unrest in the names of freedom and democracy, you will find George Soros's money. It's a wonder Obama has not awarded him the Presidential Gong of Freedom.
yalensis, July 13, 2015 at 4:01 am
Do they, or don't they?
Some people say, that Right Sektor is withdrawing all their battalions from Donbass and moving them West, back towards Kiev.
Right Sektor denies this, and says, no, all their guys are still in place at the ATO, valiantly fighting the Colorados.

The Donetsk News Agency says that Right Sektor is withdrawing from the front lines. Quoting DPR Deputy Minister of Defense Eduard Basurin.

Basurin reports that the Right Sektor guys truly are leaving, thus providing some blessed relief to the people of Donetsk. Resulting in fewer incidents of shelling, etc.

yalensis, July 13, 2015 at 3:54 am

Ukry starting to get worried about Trans-Carpthian separatism:

Rada Deputy Boris Filatov, who belongs to Igor Kolomoisky's party, was outraged when he read some blogposts written by Trans-Carpathians. Who claimed that Trans-Carpathia was unjustly taken away from Slovaks and Hungarians in the 1950's.
Some of the Rusyns there say they are not Ukrainians, and never have been.

Filatov was outraged at some of this loose talk on blogs. He retorted on his own blog with the following proposed remedy to these separatist inclinations:

http://www.politnavigator.net/deputat-verkhovnojj-rady-o-rusinakh-zakarpatya-zhech-padal-kalenym-zhelezom.html

"Можете почитать, что публично пишут в своих бложиках некоторые местные деятели. Врачи! Жечь падаль каленым железом. Сажать и лишать имущества", - написал Филатов на своей странице в соцсети.

"You cannot even imagine what some of these local activists are scribbling in their blogs. I would brand these scum with a heated up iron. I would throw them in jail and confiscate their property."

yalensis:

Recall that Filatov made similar threats against Crimeans.

Which just scared them even further into escaping from the tender embraces of Ukrainian nazis.

I am betting most Rusyns also wish they could opt out of this Ukrainian "prison of nations" and become part of Slovakia or Hungary. Unfortunately, they don't have that option, so they are stuck in this abusive relationship.

yalensis, July 13, 2015 at 4:13 am

And what's the plan, once the Right Sektor battalions reach Kiev?

According to this piece, Right Sektor is organizing a massive meeting on the Maidan this coming Sunday, July 19.

Right Sektor spokesperson Dmitry Pavlichenko announced the following:

-He urges everybody to swarm to Kiev on Sunday. The meeting ("veche") will start promptly at noon.

-The purpose is to form "organs of power" to replace the current government.

-A priority will be also to form a "people's court".

Right Sektor has issued ultimatum to Ukrainian government: They want Avakov's head on a platter.

There is constant picket of around 100 persons around President Poroshenko's office building. The picketers wear insigna for parties such as "OUN", "Freedom or Death", and "Right Sektor". The building is protected by around 30 National Guards troops, and there has been a stand-off up until this point.

[Jul 12, 2015]Rethinking Russia A Conversation With Russia Scholar Stephen F. Cohen

"..."The demonization of Putin is not a policy. It's an alibi for not having a policy.""
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"...I understood some time ago that USA presidents are very fickle animals, nobody can trust them and nobody is safe of them, they could turn from being a friend to be your enemy overnight"
Jul 07, 2015 | huffingtonpost.com

Last week I had the honor of interviewing Stephen F. Cohen, Professor Emeritus of Russian Studies and Politics at NYU and Princeton University, where for many years he was director of its Russian Studies program. Professor Cohen, a long-time friend of Mikhail Gorbachev, is one of the most important Russia scholars in the world and a member of the founding board of directors of the American Committee for East-West Accord, a pro-detente organization that seeks rethinking and public discussion of U.S. policy toward Russia.

Despite his impressive credentials and intimate knowledge of Russia and its history, you will rarely hear Cohen's voice in the mainstream press. And it is not for a lack of trying; his views, and those of others like him, are simply shut out of the media, which, along with almost every U.S. politician, has decided to vilify Russian and Putin, irrationally equating Putin with such tyrants as Adolf Hitler. As Cohen explains:

Even Henry Kissinger -- I think it was in March 2014 in the Washington Post -- wrote this line: "The demonization of Putin is not a policy. It's an alibi for not having a policy." And then I wrote in reply to that: That's right, but it's much worse than that, because it's also that the demonization of Putin is an obstacle to thinking rationally, having a rational discourse or debate about American national security. And it's not just this catastrophe in Ukraine and the new Cold War; it's from there to Syria to Afghanistan, to the proliferation of nuclear weapons, to fighting global terrorism. The demonization of Putin excludes a partner in the Kremlin that the U.S. needs, no matter who sits there.

And Cohen reminds us that, quite contrary to the common, manufactured perception in this country, we have a very willing and capable potential partner in Moscow right now. As Cohen explains, "Bill Clinton said this not too long ago: To the extent that he knew and dealt with Putin directly, he never knew him to say anything that he, Putin, didn't mean, or ever to go back on his word or break a promise he made to Clinton."

What's more, as Cohen reminds us, when the 9/11 attacks happened, Putin was the very first international leader to offer help to President Bush:

Putin called George Bush after 9/11 and said, "George, we're with you, whatever we can do," and in fact did more to help the Americans fight a land war in Afghanistan to oust the Taliban from Kabul. ... Russia still had a lot of assets in Afghanistan, including a fighting force called the Northern Alliance. It had probably better intelligence in and about Afghanistan than any country, and it had air-route transport for American forces to fight in Afghanistan. He gave all this -- Putin gave all this -- to the Bush administration. Putin's Kremlin, not a member of NATO, did more to help the American land war and save American lives, therefore, in Afghanistan, than any NATO country.

However, as Cohen explains, Bush strangely repaid Putin by (1) unilaterally withdrawing from the anti-ballistic (ABM) treaty, the "bedrock" of Russia's national security, and (2) launching the second wave of NATO expansion toward Russia.

And, as Cohen points out, this was not the only case in which the U.S. quite brazenly betrayed Russia in recent decades. Thus he notes that Presidents Clinton, Bush and Obama have all violated the very clear agreement that, in return for Gorbachev's allowing the reunification of Germany, the U.S. would not move NATO one inch further east. In addition, the U.S. undermined then-President Medvedev (who we claim to prefer to Putin) by unseating Gaddafi in Libya -- with disastrous consequences -- despite our promise to Russia that we would do no such thing if Russia agreed to the Security Council resolution approving the no-fly zone over Libya.

All of this history must be considered when we view the current crisis in Ukraine, which, Cohen warns, is quickly leading to a hot war with Russia. As Cohen relates:

If you took even the short time frame of the Ukrainian crisis and you began it in November 2013, when the then-elected president of Ukraine, Yanukovych, didn't actually refuse to sign the European Union's offer of a partnership with Europe. He asked for time to think about it. That brought the protesters in the streets. That led to the illegal overthrow of Yanukovych, which, by the way, Poroshenko, the current president, strangely now admits was illegal. ...

Then comes Putin's annexation or reunification of Crimea, as Russians call it. Then already evolving now in Eastern Ukraine are protests against what's happening in Kiev, because Eastern Ukraine was the electoral base of Yanukovych. Yanukovych was its president in a fundamental way. Then comes the proxy war, with Russia helping the rebel fighters in Eastern Ukraine and the United States and NATO helping the military forces of Kiev. ...

And so it went, on and on. Now, if you back up and ask who began the aggression, it's my argument -- for which I'm called a "Putin apologist," which I am not -- ... but the reality is that Putin has been mostly reactive. Let me say that again: reactive. If we had the time, I could explain to you why the reportedly benign European Union offer to Kiev in 2013 was not benign at all. No Ukrainian who wanted to survive could have accepted that. And by the way, it had clauses buried below that would've obliged Kiev to adhere to NATO military security policy. ...

Ukraine had been on Washington's agenda for a very, very long time; it is a matter of public record. It was to that that Putin reacted. It was to the fear that the new government in Kiev, which overthrew the elected government, had NATO backing and its next move would be toward Crimea and the Russian naval base there. ... But he was reacting, and as Kiev began an all-out war against the East, calling it the "anti-terrorist operation," with Washington's blessing. ...

This was clearly meant to be a war of destruction. ... Meanwhile, NATO began escalating its military presence. In each of these stages, a very close examination will show, as I'm sure historians will when they look back, that Putin has been primarily reactive. Now maybe his reactions have been wrong-headed. Maybe they've been too aggressive. That's something that could be discussed. ...

But this notion that this is all Putin's aggression, or Russia's aggression, is, if not 100-percent false, let us say, for the sake of being balanced and ecumenical, it's 50-percent false. And if Washington would admit that its narrative is 50-percent false, which means Russia's narrative is 50-percent correct, that's where negotiations begin and succeed.

I can only hope that the policy makers in this country will hear the voices of people like Professor Cohen and enter into rational negotiations with Russia in order that we may be spared what is shaping up to be a disastrous war in Europe.

Joseph Skibinsky · Top Commenter · Las Vegas, Nevada

I understood some time ago that USA presidents are very fickle animals, nobody can trust them and nobody is safe of them, they could turn from being a friend to be your enemy overnight, starting from Bush - father, and those who followed him. For those who don't believe me about Bush-father, I suggest to read Autobiography of Colin Powell who was a member of Bush's staff. And what Pr Cohen tells us about Bush-son confirms what I stated about our Presidents/politicians.
Those who want to comment on my statement, please, stick to facts. I don't take easily personal attacks and let me assure you, I will respond in kind.

Samuel Ramani · Contributor at The Huffington Post

I think that Professor Stephen Cohen is raising a valuable and vital point, that Russia's annexation of Crimea and Ukraine was not just naked aggression. Russia acted impulsively due to a variety of factors: the fear that it would lose great power status if NATO encroached onto its sphere too much, the fear that the Maidan protests could be an inspiration for unrest in Russia, and the concern that a Westward tilt for Ukraine would weaken his Eurasian Union project. Our perceptions of what is rational differ markedly from Russia's as our regimes are different and climate in which decision-making is made is different. Neoliberal_rationality/ is always contextual and the same should apply to Russia.

To prevent this conflict, an incremental approach would have been best- we should have very clearly delineated that EU association agreement would be strictly economic and not a gateway to immediate NATO membership for Ukraine. Preserving Ukrainian neutrality in security matters, while revitalizing its economy and broken political institutions was the optimal approach. I'm not excusing Russia's conduct by any means or claiming that Russia was right in annexing Crimea, and violating the sovereignty of Ukraine, but at the same time, we have to realize that Russia views this conflict from a very different lens than the West. Russia views NATO expansion in the CIS with the same alarm as we would if Russian missiles and equipment started appearing in Latin American countries with uncomfortable proximity to America. Russia views sovereignty not as the inviolable rights of individual countries but the inviolable integrity of the Russian sphere of influence (the CIS), as a zone that the West cannot enter and intervene.

Donald Schellberg · Top Commenter · Universidad Tecnológica de Panamá

It seems like you are leaving the Ukrainian people out of this. I don't think it is between the US and Russia. It is for them to decide. They should allow a referendum in Donbas, free an open with international monitors. The same with Crimea. If the majority of the permanent residents want to remain in Russia, that is fine, if not let them choose. If Crimea does formally become part of Russia under this referendum than Russia should reimburse the Ukrainian government for the businesses, bases and state institutions that were taken over. And Ukraine would guarantee access via Maripol until they finish the bridge. Just my opinion.

John-Albert Eadie · Top Commenter · Stanford University

This is late. If you look in adjacent media you will see folks like Stephen Cohen and others are not ignored, but looked to as being experts. WHAT YOU MUST DO IS LOOK TO ALTERNATIVE MEDIA. BECAUSE Time, WSJ, and all else cannot be trusted. Then you would have first seen Stephen Cohen's stuff, and many serious others. Try Facebook first, flimsy as it seems.

[Jul 04, 2015] Yanis Varoufakis accuses creditors of terrorism ahead of Greek referendum

Like any neoliberal country Greece is a divided country with 20% of population representing "fifth column of globalization" and benefiting from it and 80% suffering from it.
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"...Well that is the rub. Western banks effectively control the cost of credit globally. You either fall into line or you're perpetually behind the curve until you sell all your goods of any value."
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"...Are you even aware that this is not actually loans that the Greek people got? If I loan money to your corrupt banker and than ask YOU to return it, will you be less offensive?
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"...The 2010 bailout was the one that allowed private French, Dutch and German banks to transfer their liabilities to the Greek public sector, and indirectly to the entire eurozone's public sector. There was no debt restructuring in that deal."
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"...The loans were made by a cabal of high-financiers in Europe to a cabal of corrupt finianciers in Greece. The game of lending rules are: you bet that the party you lend money to will pay back the loan with interest. Which is what the German banks did, making a profit on the interest for quite some time. But now the high-financiers in Europe have lost the game, i.e. Greece/the-old-displaced-guard-in-Greece can no longer pay them back. That's the financiers problem: not the problem of Greece's normal citizens nor other EU taxpayers! Is that so difficult to understand? Class war for beginners... privatize the profit, socialize the loss."
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"...The banksters, multi-national corporations and their political lackeys, have engaged in an extend and pretend fantasy which is passing their private debt onto taxpayers across Europe. Once the shoulders of the Greek taxpayer have been broken, it will pass onto the shoulders of the taxpayers from the rest of Europe. God, I want to shake the anti Greek/pro EU lobby to wake them up. Greece, please, please, please vote NO, so we can begin the long process of getting control of Europe out of the hands of these maniacs."
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"...Without risking depositors' cash, governments had the ability to sit back ready to nationalise any banks whose lending to Greece was so irresponsible that they were unsustainable. This would have wiped out the shareholders and sent a clear message that lending as well as borrowing has to be responsible and that shareholders need to earn their fat returns by exerting oversight.
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"...Yanis Varoufakis has a point. The proposals put by the EU would cause the Greek economy to contract further, this effectively would increase the debt ratio to GDP. Nowhere have I heard any talk on how to build up the Greek economy, it has all been about collecting taxes.

I have also read commentators on here talk about how Greece lied to get into MU, this has a great deal of truth in it, but one must remember the EU knew what a basket case Greece was financially, therefore they are equally complicit in this debacle.

The question has to be why the EU is doing this to Greece, they know their actions will do nothing other than cause more misery in the country. The reason this is happening is to protect German banks. Greece is the domino that could bring the whole system down."
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"...No, the original package lent to Greece was to bailout Greek and EU banks. The subsequent bailout (to pay for the bailout) is 60% owned/facilitated by EFSF. It raised it through selling bonds, no doubt to financial institutions. So now we're in the bizarre situation of banks befitting from the bailout of banks with the Greek people carrying the can and Europeans (who are liable to honour EFSF bonds+intererst) blaming Greece and defending the banks! "

Jul 04, 2015 | The Guardian

Banksterdebtslave -> conor boyle 4 Jul 2015 11:15

Yes it should have been, by letting the banks go under as per Iceland. Or were too many people (living in vacuums ?) unprepared to deal with the short term pain ? Now it seems the world of people must suffer to service the Banks' bad debt.....what good slaves we are! The Emperor has no clothes!

Duncan Frame -> Brasil13 4 Jul 2015 11:10

Well that is the rub. Western banks effectively control the cost of credit globally. You either fall into line or you're perpetually behind the curve until you sell all your goods of any value.

W61212 -> Brasil13 4 Jul 2015 11:08

Careful what you wish for. From the EC

'In 2013 the EU recorded a trade surplus in goods (more than double the surplus registered in 2012). The EU also has a surplus in commercial services trade.
The EU is the biggest foreign investor in Brazil with investments in many sectors of the Brazilian economy. Around 50% of the FDI flows received by Brazil during the last 5 years originated in the EU.'

This debacle with Greece demonstrates the EU can't run itself and yet it has huge holdings with Brazil and has recently reversed to a trade surplus in to Brazil, a nation with huge natural, industrial and human resources of its own. Brazil exports mainly agricultural and mining products to the EU and imports manufactured products. See the imbalance? Brazil exports primary products and imports finished products made elsewhere and those jobs are elsewhere. See the problem?

http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/countries/brazil/

GordonGecko 4 Jul 2015 11:07

There's only one letter difference but choice for the Greeks is to become either the new Ireland (and suffer self-inflicted austerity for decades to come) or the new Iceland (by tearing up the rule book and starting again).

I hope they watch this before voting;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu5sTyAXyAo


usufruct -> Laurelei 4 Jul 2015 11:07

Germans (for the most part) are not Nazis or terrorists, and should not have to take the blame for this crisis. They are, however, dupes, like people living under capitalism everywhere. They are willing to let the international banksters and their political cronies in the European parliament run their lives and create whatever mischief they believe is in their interest.


ToddPalant -> Scaff1 4 Jul 2015 11:06

Tell us suckers then, about how Ukraine, a run down country that was just made worse by regime change. From bad Yanukovich to much worse American puppet and idiot Poroshenko plus a catastrophic war. Tell us about Lybia and bad Qaddafi, who in his life time killed 3-4000 people and the much worse UK-France that caused at least a 100000 dead with their pet invasion at the behest of our friends from across the Atlantic.

May be you need to dust your mirror.


Duncan Frame -> Laurelei 4 Jul 2015 11:05

Terrorists primary aim is to promote fear rather than harm. That's far more effective in getting their way. You close the banks you show the public what you're capable of.

Saaywar Montana -> thisisafix 4 Jul 2015 11:04

Their economies are naff. Spain and Italy are the two countries most likely to join Greece in a new union. Portugal and Ireland are too far gone but Ireland has been rebelling. Once people see a progressive union to compete with the rubbish EU then these countries will gain support for joining a new southern European union.

These countries are not out of the water and won't get out of it either. Austerity will do what it does and the people will rise up. It's inevitable. The EU doesn't have a monopoly on unions lol.

Greece, as did every other country, got left with the bill of the private banking sector. Yes, it was their fault for running a deficit but a significant proportion of the debt owed by the Greek gov is bank bailouts.

It's the same here. The UK paid £700bn to private banks to make sure they didn't fail. The deficit has nothing to do with that. so around 50% of the debt is a mixture or deficit spending and capital investments made by the government.

Robape Laurelei 4 Jul 2015 10:57

Financial terrorists, just interested in the bottom line, not countries.

elcomm W61212 4 Jul 2015 10:56

When fascist governments get in trouble at home they start wars to distract people. It's not that far out.

Duncan Frame Laurelei 4 Jul 2015 10:56

Yes everything's exceptional. 2008 was the biggest economic collapse since the great depression. And Greece was the most exposed country. No difference.

Alfie Silva karlmiltonkeynes 4 Jul 2015 10:55

My mistake, I thought you were intelligent.

It is common knowledge that only around 10% of bailout monies went to the real economy. You are correct indeed in that creditors got a haircut, mainly hedgefunds and most foreign banks by 2015 had reduced their exposure to Greece. The issue today is sovereign debt. Do you realise that sovereign debt is the senior collatoral for Eurozone banks?

So we are back to banks again Mr Banker.

Duncan Frame ID13579 4 Jul 2015 10:53

I don't have to excuse giving voice to the victims of those in power to you or anyone else. And it seems to me Tsipras is taking the same line. You confuse the Greek people with the people who actually profited from that debt. Why should they be forced to starve on the back of decisions over which they had influence?


usufruct -> HoorayHenrietta 4 Jul 2015 10:44

Like Americans and most other people around the globe, the German people have allowed the international banks to pull the wool over their eyes. There is no reason for taxpayers to bail out the banks as we are still doing here in the U.S. For the past six years my wife and I have been paying down mortgages on real estate hoping to reestablish equity in properties whose value was gutted by cavalier banksters on Wall Steet. A few clicks to gamble away the hard work of millions! These people should be arrested and tried for their crimes. In a fair court they would be sent away for life.


Chris Hindle 4 Jul 2015 10:42

'Yanis Varoufakis accuses creditors of terrorism.'

So what is wrong with that? Financial terrorism is a much more protracted and painful process to the victims than sudden violence, but the end result is the same.

The Vermin Who Would Be Kings have discovered they no longer need the fuss and expense of maintaining a standing army of occupation, far simpler to get countries/continents/ the world in deep debt (via bent politicians making private bankster debt into sovereign debt - just like they did in Greece ) and exert control through that.

BTW the UK has some £9 trillion in foreign debt (much of which is the bad debts of the City - and the highest of any stand-alone country on earth) So now you know what next months austerity drive is all about

InjunJoe -> degardiyen 4 Jul 2015 10:24

The "slovakian tax payer" will not be paying to maintain the Greek standard of living,
but to shore up the ECB, the IMF and the private lenders to Greek banks, as 90% of the "bail-out" goes to serving interest. Haven't you been reading the news?

Duncan Frame -> karlmiltonkeynes 4 Jul 2015 10:20

That's weird because at the same time the banks collapsed in 2008 the deficit went up from 57% to 82%, lots of people lost their jobs or had to take pay cuts. I'm sure it was just a coincidence.

LeftToWrite -> ID6487190 4 Jul 2015 10:17

Yeah the EU has shown itself to want a compromise. All those nice compromised offers it made. Yep we all remember those.

Compromise means both sides giving ground, not one side accepting everything the other demands. Use a dictionary next time.

For once a nation is standing up to EU bullying and we have ignorant fools like you turning it the other way in an attempt to change the narrative.

LeftToWrite 4 Jul 2015 10:11

How can the Troika have fucked up this badly? It seems they forgot that Greece is actually a construct that represents the people who live there, and you can't just impose misery after misery on a people without expecting them to finally have enough. Even if they vote yes, all it does is postpone that that time when they will have had enough.

Honestly, this has shown the true greed at the hearts of Merkel et al, and by extension the people they represent. Save the French and German banks, fuck over the Greek people. If people think anti German rhetoric in Greece is extreme now, decades of resentment is about to follow.


שוקי גלילי Steve Collins 4 Jul 2015 10:09

You probably meant to say "when you ask for it back from someone ELSE, who didn't actually get your money". Are you even aware that this is not actually loans that the Greek people got? If I loan money to your corrupt banker and than ask YOU to return it, will you be less offensive?

-> dniviE 4 Jul 2015 10:06

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Sorry: its Wednesday 8th, I wrote Tuesday ;-))

email from Green Party Brussels office.
TTIP and ISDS - Call to action by Keith Taylor MEP!

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Among these is a compromise amendment on the investor-state dispute mechanism, or ISDS. The compromise amendment suggests replacing ISDS courts with some kind of 'new' system, but there is no further explanation or details. As long as there is any system in place for investors to sue governments, as the compromise calls for, it is still ISDS. The fact that the Parliament's President is trying to spin this as something different by giving it a new name does not change anything.


The compromise amendment has been agreed by the largest groups in the European Parliament: the centre-left Socialists & Democrats (which includes the UK's Labour MEPs), the centre-right European People's Party, and the European Conservatives and Reformists group (which includes the UK's Conservative MEPs) and the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats (which includes the UK's Liberal Democrat MEP).

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LeftToWrite ID105467 4 Jul 2015 10:14

To bail out German banks, get your facts straight before posting nonsense.

Kalandar 4 Jul 2015 10:14

Propoganda galore from the mainstream media but its fooling no one, except perhaps themselves.

ID345543 4 Jul 2015 10:04

This Is Why The Euro Is Finished

The 2010 bailout was the one that allowed private French, Dutch and German banks to transfer their liabilities to the Greek public sector, and indirectly to the entire eurozone's public sector. There was no debt restructuring in that deal.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-04/why-euro-finished

Ninetto owl905 4 Jul 2015 10:03

The loans were made by a cabal of high-financiers in Europe to a cabal of corrupt finianciers in Greece. The game of lending rules are: you bet that the party you lend money to will pay back the loan with interest. Which is what the German banks did, making a profit on the interest for quite some time. But now the high-financiers in Europe have lost the game, i.e. Greece/the-old-displaced-guard-in-Greece can no longer pay them back. That's the financiers problem: not the problem of Greece's normal citizens nor other EU taxpayers! Is that so difficult to understand? Class war for beginners... privatize the profit, socialize the loss.

NeverNotHereTV gsxsure 4 Jul 2015 09:59

Syriza does not want "free money". They want a fraction put toward economic growth, and then payments as a meaningful fraction of that growth. It is simple enough.

Alfie Silva 4 Jul 2015 09:50

Please can anyone explain to me why we are letting the bankster cabal turn European against European?

The banksters, multi-national corporations and their political lackeys, have engaged in an extend and pretend fantasy which is passing their private debt onto taxpayers across Europe. Once the shoulders of the Greek taxpayer have been broken, it will pass onto the shoulders of the taxpayers from the rest of Europe. God, I want to shake the anti Greek/pro EU lobby to wake them up. Greece, please, please, please vote NO, so we can begin the long process of getting control of Europe out of the hands of these maniacs.

Finnbolt 4 Jul 2015 09:49

"Debt relief was "politically highly toxic for many eurozone member states"."

Here you have the problem. The creditor state governments are responsible to their voters and many have said that their taxpayers will not finance the Greeks and money lent will be paid back in full.

Syriza says they have a mandate from the Greek people to force other euro countries to continue financing them and take a haircut. In other words, lose most of the money lent to Greece.

EU is a collection of nation states with pretensions of a federation. One of the pretensions about to be busted is a transfer union, meaning taxpayers in richer countries tranferring part of their wealth to poorer countries.


APSAPS 4 Jul 2015 09:49

A $22.6 billion International Monetary Fund and World Bank financial package was approved on 13 July 1998 to support reforms and stabilize the Russian market. Despite the bailout, July 1998 monthly interest payments on Russia's debt rose to a figure 40 percent higher than its monthly tax collections. Additionally, on 15 July 1998, the State Duma dominated by left-wing parties refused to adopt most of the government anti-crisis plan so that the government was forced to rely on presidential decrees. On 17 August 1998, the Russian government devalued the ruble, defaulted on domestic debt, and declared a moratorium on payment to foreign creditors. It was later revealed that about $5 billion of the international loans provided by the World Bank and International Monetary Fund were stolen upon the funds' arrival in Russia on the eve of the meltdown.

Sounds very similar.

Oh, wait, maybe some referendum could have helped?


Insomnijazz hertsman 4 Jul 2015 09:48

Nah - these are just lies for the gullible to swallow.

Without risking depositors' cash, governments had the ability to sit back ready to nationalise any banks whose lending to Greece was so irresponsible that they were unsustainable. This would have wiped out the shareholders and sent a clear message that lending as well as borrowing has to be responsible and that shareholders need to earn their fat returns by exerting oversight.

Instead they chose the worst option: bailing out the bank shareholders by assuming responsibility for their risky lending, but refusing to then pay the price for their political cowardice and shifting the blame onto a largely guiltless Greek population which has already suffered hugely from the economic devastation.


Brent1023 4 Jul 2015 09:46

Debt relief not on the table.
It comes down to the Greek people or the banksters. Who needs a bailout more?
The EU has sided with the banksters.
Not just in Greece but in Ireland, Spain, Portugal.
Only Iceland was able to force banksters to swallow their losses.
Everywhere else bankster fraud was rewarded with a 100% bailout.
Should be renamed the European Bankster Union.
Surprising that the UK does not want it - it also bailed out its banksters.

NWObserver sunnytimes 4 Jul 2015 09:39

The creditors are not looking to get their money back. Debt is the leverage being used to destroy the social and public infrastructure in the country.

So their worst nightmare is Greeks voting 'No', staying in default and surviving or prospering while remaining in the Eurozone. Then they will not be able to use the same fear tactics against another EZ country. They are psychopaths out to destroy, not creditors looking to get their money. So if Greeks vote 'No' , they will spare no effort to destroy Greece, beginning with the continuation of the liquidity freeze. However, there are some simple steps that Greece can take to end the liquidity freeze and I think they have already taken them.

Gottaloveit 4 Jul 2015 09:28

Read this article from 2010 by Michael Lewis and get a glimpse of what a mess Greece is
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2010/10/greeks-bearing-bonds-201010
The people of Greece are not finished paying penance yet

W61212 Fritz72 4 Jul 2015 09:28

Albrecht Ritschl: During the past century alone, though, at least three times. After the first default during the 1930s, the US gave Germany a "haircut" in 1953, reducing its debt problem to practically nothing. Germany has been in a very good position ever since, even as other Europeans were forced to endure the burdens of World War II and the consequences of the German occupation. Germany even had a period of non-payment in 1990....but we were also extremely reckless -- and our export industry has thrived on orders. The anti-Greek sentiment that is widespread in many German media outlets is highly dangerous. And we are sitting in a glass house: Germany's resurgence has only been possible through waiving extensive debt payments and stopping reparations to its World War II victims.'

Enough said now?

W61212 hhnheim 4 Jul 2015 09:21

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/economic-historian-germany-was-biggest-debt-transgressor-of-20th-century-a-769703.html


North2011 kizbot 4 Jul 2015 09:04

Don't worry. The nappy business is doing well in Brussels...
EU sources: possible extra Eurogroup on Monday and EU leaders Summit on Wednesday #Greferendum via GR media http://www.dimokratiki.gr/04-07-2015/pithano-ektakto-eurogroup-ti-deftera-ke-sinodos-korifis-tin-tetarti/ …
They are pissing in their pants the lot of them...


rafela Bogoas81 4 Jul 2015 09:00

Austerity didnt work. In the last five years the economy shrinked by 19%. Unemployment rose to 27%. Tsipras wanted more debt relief. The IMF report sustain that an improvement is impossible without debt relief.


sunnytimes 4 Jul 2015 08:58

German people are industrious and inventive. They play by the rules. Unfortunately they are also rather naive and believe generally what the state tells them. In history the role of such people has always been to pay the bills.


GuillotinesRUs 4 Jul 2015 08:45

Yanis Varoufakis has a point. The proposals put by the EU would cause the Greek economy to contract further, this effectively would increase the debt ratio to GDP. Nowhere have I heard any talk on how to build up the Greek economy, it has all been about collecting taxes.

I have also read commentators on here talk about how Greece lied to get into MU, this has a great deal of truth in it, but one must remember the EU knew what a basket case Greece was financially, therefore they are equally complicit in this debacle.

The question has to be why the EU is doing this to Greece, they know their actions will do nothing other than cause more misery in the country. The reason this is happening is to protect German banks. Greece is the domino that could bring the whole system down.

U77777 -> CassiusClay 4 Jul 2015 08:40

Austerity isn't the answer - but when you have put yourself into the situation that the Greeks have, it is part of the solution. A small part and nothing like the media like to portray, but something has got to give.

As for electing Tsipras and varoufakis......Seriously, stop drinking. They're a bunch of cowboys with some well intended principles and a load of rather deluded ideas. Worse still, neither of them have actually come up with anything like a constructive plan how to stimulate the economy and help Greece stand on its own 2 feet again


Dimitris Chloupis -> sylvester 4 Jul 2015 08:39

Any sensible Greek realizes without deep reforms no economy is going forward. This is not even debatable in my country. We already reduced public sector by 500.000 employes thats a juicy 50%. High pensions of the past are long gone. The result is that now it costs 6 billion to pay for wages in public sector and another 5 billion to pay for pension, total 10 billion. But we need another 10 billion for paying back loans each year. This year alone we paid back 25 billion !!!

Tax evasion should be our next focus, its not reasonable for an economy that makes 200 billions per year to need loans . There is a will to fix all that, because the alternative is far worse.

Of course the same can be said about Germany , why a country that make 3.1 trillion euros per year has a 80% debt ? Tax evasion of course ;) Time to open those swish bank accounts , but does Germany want that ? How many vested Greek interest are connected with German vested interest ?

Denying corruption is to deny the foundation of modern economies.

W61212 -> RussBrown 4 Jul 2015 08:39

I made a point earlier about the birth of a new Brussels based dictatorship which controls all EZ 'national governments', which are national governments by name only, ergo Syriza has to go for straying from the script. Brussels has already proven it would rather deal with corrupt Greek politicians by doing so in the past

Continent Renato -> Timotheus 4 Jul 2015 08:37

Inequality of opportunity in the Eurozone is now so great -- young people in Greece have an unemployment level of 60% and the rate is 33% in the austerity "success story" of Portugal

The systems are different. Northern countries have the dual education system, i.e. only about 10 p.c. of the youth go to college/university, and 90 p.c. go through a 3 or 4 year education "learning by doing".

In addition, the "dirty work" in Greece (farming/harvest/construction) is done by temporary migrants from Macedonia, Albania, Romania, Bulgaria because the Greek parents wanted their children to have a better life and sent them to universities without an employment market for so many acdemics. Many of them land in a job with in the bloated govt.

sunnytimes 4 Jul 2015 08:36

The true parasites are the bond markets of London and New York. The create nothing. All they do is swap pieces of paper with ech other all day long, skimming every transaction. The UK and US have run trade deficits or decades, that is by definition they produce less than they consume. Time to tear down this edifice of debt and get back to a capital-based economy.

LeftOrRightSameShite FOARP 4 Jul 2015 08:35

Greece already has been bailed out

No, the original package lent to Greece was to bailout Greek and EU banks. The subsequent bailout (to pay for the bailout) is 60% owned/facilitated by EFSF. It raised it through selling bonds, no doubt to financial institutions. So now we're in the bizarre situation of banks befitting from the bailout of banks with the Greek people carrying the can and Europeans (who are liable to honour EFSF bonds+intererst) blaming Greece and defending the banks!

Bit thick really innit!

RussBrown 4 Jul 2015 08:35

Myth 1 - Greece do nothing to solve the problem (they have had years of austerity)

Myth 2 - Germany is bailing out the Greeks. The money that goes to Greece goes straight back into the German Banks. But by making it impossible for business to run in Greece the businesses move their resources to Germany and pay taxes their in a massive transfer of wealth from a poor EU country to the richest. This is a capitalist scam and all of lot on here shouting their propaganda should be ashamed of yourselves. The rich bankers are using you to justify the destruction of the poor!

[Jul 04, 2015] Paul Krugman Europe's Many Economic Disasters

Jul 04, 2015 | Economist's View

Was the creation of the euro a mistake? Should it be eliminated?:

Europe's Many Economic Disasters, by Paul Krugman, Commentary, NY Times:

Or to put it a bit differently, it's reasonable to fear the consequences of a "no" vote, because nobody knows what would come next. But you should be even more afraid of the consequences of a "yes," because in that case we do know what comes next - more austerity, more disasters and eventually a crisis much worse than anything we've seen so far.

anne said...

https://consortiumnews.com/2015/07/02/behind-the-greek-crisis/

July 2, 2015

Behind the Greek Crisis

The usual narrative of the Greek economic tragedy is that the country is paying for its past profligacy, but there is deeper back story of political repression fueled by major powers intervening in Greece and contributing to a dysfunctional political system.
By William R. Polk

Focusing exclusively on the monetary aspects of the Greek crisis the media misses much of what disturbs the Greeks and also what might make a solution possible.

For over half a century, Greeks have lived in perilous times. In the 1930s, they lived under a brutal dictatorship that modeled itself on Nazi Germany, employing Gestapo-like secret police and sending critics off to an island concentration camp. Then a curious thing happened: Benito Mussolini invaded the country.

Challenged to protect their self-respect and their country, Greeks put aside their hatred of the Metaxis dictatorship and rallied to fight the foreign invaders. The Greeks did such a good job of defending their country that Adolf Hitler had to put off his invasion of Russia to rescue the Italians. That move probably saved Josef Stalin since the delay forced the Wehrmacht to fight in Russia's mud, snow and ice for which they had not prepared. But, ironically, it also saved the Metaxis dictatorship and the monarchy. The king and all the senior Greek officials fled to British-occupied Egypt and, as new allies, they were declared part of the "Free World."

Meanwhile, in Greece, the Germans looted much of the industry, shipping and food stuffs. The Greeks began to starve. As Mussolini remarked, "the Germans have taken from the Greeks even their shoelaces…"

Then, the Greeks began to fight back. In October 1942, they set up a resistance movement that within two years became the largest in Europe. When France could claim less than 20,000 partisans, the Greek resistance movement had enrolled about 2 million and was holding down at least two divisions of German soldiers. And they did it without outside help.

As the war's outcome became apparent, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill was determined to return Greece to the prewar rule of the monarchy and the old regime. He was motivated by fear of Communist influence within the resistance movement.

Churchill tried to get the Anglo-American army that was getting ready to invade Italy to attack Greece instead. Indeed, he tried so hard to change the war plan that he almost broke up the Allied military alliance; when he failed, he threw all the soldiers he still controlled into Greece and precipitated a civil war that tore the country apart. The Underground leaders were outsmarted and their movement was smashed. The bureaucracy, police and programs of the prewar dictatorship resumed control.

After the war, with Britain out of money and no longer able to sustain its policy, London turned Greece over to the Americans who announced the "Truman Doctrine" and poured in money to prevent a leftist victory. American money temporarily won the day, but the heavy hand of the former regime created a new generation of would-be democrats who challenged the dictatorship.

This is the theme beautifully evoked in Costa Gavras' film "Z," starring Yves Montagne. As the film shows, the liberal movement of the early 1960s was overwhelmed by a new military dictatorship, "the rule of the colonels."

When the military junta was overthrown in 1974, Greece enjoyed a brief period of "normality," but none of the deep fissures in the society had been healed. Regardless of what political party chose the ministers, the self-perpetuating bureaucracy was still in control. Corruption was rife. And, most important of all, Greece had become a political system that Aristotle would have called an oligarchy.

The very rich used their money to create for themselves a virtual state within the state. They extended their power into every niche of the economy and so arranged the banking system that it became essentially extra-territorialized. Piraeus harbor was filled with mega-yachts owned by people who paid no taxes and London was partly owned by people who fattened off the Greek economy. The "smart money" of Greece was stashed abroad.

The Current Crisis

This state of affairs might have lasted many more years, but when Greece joined the European Union in 1981, European (mainly German) bankers saw an opportunity: they flocked into Greece to offer loans. Even those Greeks who had insufficient income to justify loans grabbed them. Then, the lenders began to demand repayment. Shocked, businesses began to cut back. Unemployment increased. Opportunities vanished.

There is really no chance that the loans will be repaid. They should never have been offered and never should have been accepted. To stay afloat, the government has cut back on public services (except for the military) and the people have suffered. In the 2004 elections, the Greeks had not yet suffered enough to vote for the radical coalition led by the "Unity" (SYRIZA) party. Only 3.3 percent of the voters did.

Then, after the 2008 financial crash came years of worsening hardship, disapproval of all politicians and anger. It was popular anger, feeling misled by the bankers and by their own foolishness. There was also hopelessness as Greeks realized that they had no way out and began to turn to SYRIZA. After a series of failed attempts to secure a mandate, SYRIZA won the 2015 election with 36.3 percent of the vote and 249 out of 300 members of Parliament.

Today, the conditions that impelled that vote are even more urgent: the national income of Greece is down about 25 percent and unemployment among younger workers is over 50 percent. So where does that leave the negotiators?

Faced with German and EU demands for more austerity, the Greeks are angry. They have deep memories of hatred against the Germans (this time, not soldiers but bankers). They have been, time after time, traduced by their own politicians. Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras must know that if he is charged with a "sell-out," his career is finished.

And the bail-out package offered by the International Monetary Fund and the European Central Bank is heavily weighted against Greece. Greeks also see their option of exiting the Euro as similar to stances taken by Britain and Sweden in not joining in the first place – although a painful adjustment for the Greek economy would be expected if Greece undertakes an unprecedented departure from the European currency.

However, unless the IMF and ECB offer a real chance for a better life for Greeks by forgiving most of the debts, I believe that the Greeks might well vote on Sunday to reject the austerity demands and leave the Euro.


William R. Polk is a professor who taught Middle Eastern studies at Harvard. President John F. Kennedy appointed Polk to the State Department's Policy Planning Council.

anne said...

http://www.cepr.net/publications/op-eds-columns/congress-weighs-in-on-holding-imf-accountable-for-damage-caused-by-failed-policies-in-greece

July 2, 2015

Congress Weighs in on Holding IMF Accountable for Damage Caused by Failed Policies in Greece
By Mark Weisbrot

The battle over the future of Greece will not end on Sunday, no matter how the vote goes or -- if the Greek people vote "no" -- how the European authorities respond to their choice. This is a fight over the future of Europe, and the people who are currently strangling the Greek economy in a transparent attempt to intimidate the Greek electorate understand this very well. That is why they are being especially aggressive and ruthless at this moment: trying to convince Greeks that a "no" vote means leaving the euro, claiming that such a decision would have calamitous consequences, and giving them a taste of the financial crisis and economic disruption that they will suffer through if they refuse to do as they are told.

Last Sunday, the European Central Bank (ECB) made a deliberate decision to limit Emergency Liquidity Assistance to the Greek banking system. The limit was set low enough to force -- for the first time in the six years of depression that the ECB has deepened and prolonged -- the closure of Greek banks.

It is not surprising that the very idea of a referendum would provoke the ire of the eurozone authorities. Unlike the European Union, which has a different history, the eurozone project has become a fundamentally anti-democratic project. It has to be; the people currently running it want to reverse, as much as possible, decades of social progress on issues that are vital to Europeans. But you don't have to take my word for it: there is a paper trail of thousands of pages that spell out their political agenda. The International Monetary Fund conducts regular consultations with member governments under Article IV of its charter, and these result in papers which contain policy recommendations. There were 67 such consultations for EU countries during the four years of 2008 to 2011, and the pattern was striking: budget tightening was recommended in all 27 countries, with spending cuts generally favored over tax increases. Cutting health care and pension spending, reducing eligibility for disability and unemployment compensation, raising retirement ages and increasing labor supply were also overwhelmingly common recommendations.

The European authorities took advantage of the crisis and post-crisis years to impose parts of this agenda on the weaker eurozone economies: Spain, Italy, Portugal, Ireland and most brutally of all, Greece. More than 20 governments fell as a result, until finally, in Greece on January 25, a government was elected that said no. The goal of the European authorities, therefore, is to topple this government. This has been apparent since the ECB cut off itsmain line of credit to Greece on February 4.

Now comes a group of U.S. members of Congress warning the IMF that it could -- perhaps for the first time in decades -- be held accountable for the economic destruction that it's helping to implement. The letter objects to the IMF "taking a hard line with respect to demands that Greece implement further reforms" and notes:

Greece has already reduced its national public sector work force by 19 percent and carried out many of the reforms demanded by the IMF and its creditors. It has gone through an enormous fiscal adjustment, achieving the largest cyclically adjusted primary budget surplus in the euro area last year; and a very large current account adjustment (with a 36 percent reduction in imports). At the same time, as even the IMF has acknowledged in its own research, the austerity imposed by Greece's creditors over the past five years turned out to be far more devastating to the economy than they had predicted.

Senator Bernie Sanders, who joined House members in signing the letter, issued his own blistering statement yesterday. "At a time of grotesque wealth inequality, the pensions of the people in Greece should not be cut even further to pay back some of the largest banks and wealthiest financiers in the world," said Sanders. Among the House signers were the co-chairs of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, Representatives Keith Ellison and Raul Grijalva, and the Dean of the House and Ranking Member of the Judiciary Committee, Rep. John Conyers.

Unlike many letters from Congress that are ignored by the executive branch, this one might be taken more seriously by the IMF and the U.S. Treasury department -- which is the IMF's most powerful overseer. One reason is that the IMF has been trying for five years to enact reforms in its governance structure that are very important to the Fund and Treasury -- reforms that can't be enacted unless they are approved by Congress. These reforms would make some small changes in voting representation. They wouldn't shift the balance of power at the Fund, with the U.S. and its allies still likely to maintain a comfortable majority. But the U.S. government and the Fund have lost a lot of credibility in recent years by unilaterally holding up even these largely symbolic changes. They see this hold-up as encouraging developing countries to opt for creating new institutions such as the BRICS Development Bank and Currency Reserve Arrangement. More recently, the Obama administration suffered an embarrassing setback after the U.K., Germany and France ignored their pleas and became founding members of China's new $100 billion initiative to create an Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank.

From the congressional letter:

"As members of the U.S. Congress, we must also note the unprecedented difficulty that the IMF's proposed quota and governance reform has faced in the U.S. Congress since 2010. As you know, this also has global implications, as some governments in developing countries have begun to lose confidence in this effort to make the IMF's voting structure more representative of its member countries in the twenty-first century and are seeking institutional alternatives. It will be difficult to get a majority of the U.S. Congress on board for these important reforms if the IMF is seen as responsible for further damage to the Greek economy, as well as the currently unforeseeable consequences of any financial collapse."

The IMF will need all the votes it can get for this legislation to pass through Congress. It can choose to ignore this warning at its own institutional risk.

[Jul 03, 2015] Greece Sane Voices Call For A No Vote

"...The Greek comprador class supported the Nazis in the Second World War, fought against the United Front in the civil war, made the neo-fascist 1970s regime, and today they support EU/NATO integration and austerity. They are an integral part of the European ruling class that is holding the working and middle classes of across the whole continent by the balls. The ruling class which has divided Europe, once again as they did in the 1930s, into "Germans" and "Greeks" instead of the reality - of workers and rulers. So, there is not one "more dangerous" than the other. They are the same."
"...Initially, the IMF predicated their support on Ukraine reaching a deal with its private creditors to restructure its debt to reduce its payments by $15 billion over four years. This has not proven easy, however, and the IMF now says it may release funds to Kiev even if it defaults on its private creditors. "
"..."This is a very dark moment for Europe. They have closed our banks for the sole purpose of blackmailing what? Getting a 'Yes' vote on a non-sustainable solution that would be ad for Europe.""
"...I have to say that I totally didn't get that point so far. Of course they're going nuts about a short-noticed referendum, because usually in these cases the public gets brainwashed for months in advance. Can't believe I didn't notice that right away. It's the essence of western democracy: let people vote, but only the things you want them to choose from. Nice move by Syriza btw! Now that I think about it, it's obvious that they planfully came up with the referendum as suprise! Kudos!"
"...After the hell of World War II, the Federal Republic of Germany – commonly known as West Germany – got massive help with its debt from former foes. Among its creditors then? Greece. The 1953 agreement, in which Greece and about 20 other countries effectively wrote off a large chunk of Germany's loans and restructured the rest, is a landmark case that shows how effective debt relief can be. It helped spark what became known as the German economic miracle."
"...We are witnessing a black swan event. The Greek banks have run out of cash. Either the EU seizes Greece or a failed state in Europe has been born with Ukraine soon to follow. All of the Greek debts are void and trillions in derivative payments will be due. This is 2008 all over again with the collapse of the western financial system possible. This is why everyone is so desperate. Yet, for pennies on the total cost of the default, Greece could be saved. Magnanimity may yet win out but it would mean the end of the current rule of extinction capitalism in the West."
Jul 03, 2015 | M of A
guest77 | Jul 2, 2015 6:20:38 PM

The Greeks have to make their decision as to what they are going to do. This is not a vote about staying in the EU. If the Greeks are kicked out, there is no one to blame for that decision except the EU masters. The Greeks are making only one decision - wether or not to agree to the terms of the EU for the repayment of the debt - and thereby wether the debt was incurred legally.

All those who claim that this is a referendum on the EU are liars who are not being honest with the Greek people. Those who are trotting out the endless stream of confusion as to what this referendum is about - like the BBC, the New York Times, and even Greek parties like Potomi, etc - are clearly no friends of the Greek people. Because to be a friend is to speak honestly.

"Your mention of compradors is important because the internal enemies of the Greek people may be more dangerous than the external Troika."
The internal and external enemies of the Greek people are one in the same. The Greeks are paying the Troika who gives the money to prop up Greek banking oligarchs. There is no difference between a banker in Athens, a banker in Frankfurt, or a hedge fund vulture in New York City holding Greek debt. All are ghouls who are profiting from the destruction of Greece.

The Greek comprador class supported the Nazis in the Second World War, fought against the United Front in the civil war, made the neo-fascist 1970s regime, and today they support EU/NATO integration and austerity. They are an integral part of the European ruling class that is holding the working and middle classes of across the whole continent by the balls. The ruling class which has divided Europe, once again as they did in the 1930s, into "Germans" and "Greeks" instead of the reality - of workers and rulers. So, there is not one "more dangerous" than the other. They are the same.

To add to the anti-Syriza noise machine, wether from a reactionary stance or a "ultra-leftist" stance, is to do the people of Europe a disservice. Syriza is the only left-wing, anti-austerity party with power inside the EU. It is unique. It fought the Golden Dawn on the streets of Athens. It engaged the Greek people and asked for their vote, and it is living up to their mandate without - and this is key - claiming more of one than they earned.

The referendum vote will be their true mandate. The Greek people have had a chance to see Syriza in action, the referendum will be the Greek people's chance to show or deny their trust in Syriza before embarking on a long struggle for independence, or maintaining the constant drain of austerity.The stakes are clear: Syriza's success means a stake in the heart of the EU debt vampires who are feeding off of not just Greece, but on all of those nations deemed "the periphery". Success for Syriza is success for the very idea of democracy in the 21st Century. It is that cut-and-dried.

If Syriza fails, then the last good hope for European democracy vanishes until, perhaps, the next escalation of crisis, whenever that might be a year or two years down the road. Or perhaps for the foreseeable future. Because this is the simplest question of the referendum: do a people have the right to say "no" to those whom wish them ill, to say "no" to those who, by whatever "legal" power, are seeking to oppress them? As Martin Luther King, Jr stated: "One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws." And clearly this debt - and the refusal of those who imposed it to make any compromise, even for the sickest and the poorest - is unjust. So which is worse - to face the morse losses for ones shattered economy, or the loss of ones national will and democracy? Because after Syriza, there is the abyss. There is no one offering to speak for the Greek people if Syriza falls.

If Syriza succeeds, though, then all over Europe, we could see these sham technocratic, ruling class regimes fall. These regimes whose only reason for staying in power is naked fear. This is a good time to recall the words of Franklin Roosevelt, when the US found itself crushed between a failed economy on one side, and a nest of powerful oligarchs on the other who refused to offer any support to the citizens of the country:

This is preeminently the time to speak the truth, the whole truth, frankly and boldly. Nor need we shrink from honestly facing conditions in our country today. This great Nation will endure as it has endured, will revive and will prosper. So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself-nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance. In every dark hour of our national life a leadership of frankness and vigor has met with that understanding and support of the people themselves which is essential to victory. I am convinced that you will again give that support to leadership in these critical days.

The Greeks are facing a moment of truth as stark and as clear as any in human history. As stark as any 20th Century war for independence. They can choose to continue down their current path, only to have to face the same choice in a year or two years from now with conditions far, far worse (there is no one arguing that there is any hope for their recovery - no one). So it is either continued depression under the "guiding hand" of those who seek only one thing from Greece: the transfer of its wealth. Or they can say "No" and take their destiny, again, into their own hands. Only once they have made their collective will known will Europe decide what course of action to take: compromise, or split Europe. And if it is a split, then the only party responsible will be the masters of the EU.

Mike Maloney | Jul 2, 2015 6:08:06 PM | 27
You know, the whole name-calling thing, Comrade X, escapes me. Why people feel like it enhances their persona I don't know. To repeat: the troika has already won this contest because Syriza capitulated. You quote me incorrectly.

I think failure for the troika is if they get the Yes vote they want and then refuse to offer concessions, which will push Tsipras and Varoufakis to resign. Without a deal shortly the ECB will have to step in and expand emergency liquidity assistance to make sure all those retirees who don't use debit cards have enough cash to buy food.

xxx
As this isn't a vote about EU membership, then the Greek people should have no fear. They should vote as their conscience dictates.

Who knows what form the EU Masters want the Union to take? The Greek people won't have a say in this and they should recognize that. The Greeks should recognize their limits - they do not have the power to vote to stay or leave the EU, they have only the power to vote on to wether or not to pay this odious debt. Europe will do with them, after that, as it will. So they should be clear that they are voting only on the debt, and ignore all those who are trying to cloud the issue.

The real danger, as always, is that we know the USA is busy manipulating every European political system. And we know that US geopolitics will insist on Greece remaining in the EU and in NATO no matter what it means for the Greeks. So the Greek people must be extremely wary of all those going onto the streets, EuroMaidan-style, for "Pro-EU" rallies... they're dishonest at best, and more likely they are pawns of the only power even less interested in the welfare of the Greek people than even the EU - Washington Imperialsim.

ab initio | Jul 2, 2015 6:53:47 PM | 29

A, Yes vote would mean that the Syriza government must resign since the implication is that the Greek people have voted a motion of no confidence.

A, No vote would mean the ball is in the Troika court. They can a) choose not to fund the Greek banks anymore which would imply that the banks would collapse immediately and no more pension payments under the current Euro system; b) Choose to give Greece an ultimatum of accept or reject whatever their offer will be. Non acceptance would mean once again they can cause Greek banks to collapse.

The Greek people are caught between a rock & a hard place. Risk the collapse of their banks and a new unknown future in a non-Euro currency system or accept whatever terms the Troika is willing to provide to keep their banks afloat. There is a decent probability that there is a "civil war" in Greece between those that would prefer to be in the Euro currency bloc under whatever terms the Troika offers and those wanting out of the Euro currency system.

BTW, this is not advocacy, only analysis.

Nana 2007 | Jul 2, 2015 7:04:24 PM | 30

The real danger, as always, is that we know the USA is busy manipulating every European political system. And we know that US geopolitics will insist on Greece remaining in the EU and in NATO no matter what it means for the Greeks. So the Greek people must be extremely wary of all those going onto the streets, EuroMaidan-style, for "Pro-EU" rallies... they're dishonest at best, and more likely they are pawns of the only power even less interested in the welfare of the Greek people than even the EU - Washington Imperialsim.

guest77 | Jul 2, 2015 6:20:38 PM


Well put. Thanks for your posts.

jo6pac | Jul 2, 2015 8:03:53 PM | 36

Very emphatic and stirring, guest77 @26. This is another moment of truth for non-Greek capitalist slaves as well. They are discouraged from seeing the Greek whip as their own.
In every dark hour of our national life a leadership of frankness and vigor has met with that understanding and support of the people themselves which is essential to victory.
Oh. Pray I may ask, President Roosevelt, "Why do we not need a leadership of frankness and vigor in good hour?" Perhaps this is why we don't get one in the dark ones?

"Those who claim that this is a referendum on the EU" are propagandists and sowers of confusion and discord. All vigorous capitalist systems need them, good times and bad.

Compradors are distinguished by their divided loyalties and false allegiances. Oligarchs cannot be mistaken for compradors. Compradors are an integral part of capitalist political economy and their false allegiance is more dangerous because it disarms. We could speak as well of German compradors, those who would vote to continue the immiseration of Greece though the bankers and brokers fraudulently saddled German and European taxpayer with their losses. Compradors don the hypocritical morality their oligarchs so affordably produce. They love playing the fools, because it so well pays.

Do the ultra-leftists who critique Syriza do only disservice? I doubt it. Even if "Syriza is the only left-wing, anti-austerity party with power inside the EU", that is not enough. Even Syriza would confirm that they and their pragmatism is not enough to achieve their ends. I agree that "ultra-left" critics risk being confused with dissemblers, but they should not silence themselves for that reason. KKE asks of Greeks, instead of yah or nay, to demand:

* NO TO THE PROPOSAL OF THE EU-IMF-ECB
* NO TO THE PROPOSAL OF THE GOVERNMENT
* DISENGAGEMENT FROM THE EU, WITH THE PEOPLE IN POWER

Is it not clear what Syriza should do with these "votes"? I have seen a Syriza supporter dissemble on KKE's position; that's bigotry.

Can Syriza mobilize the electorate against their oppressors? Have they propagandized enough? This referendum is not on whether "people have the right to say "no" to those whom wish them ill", i.e. a vote for their own oppression, but whether they have mobilized the Greeks, beyond Syriza's election, for the coming fracas.

Syriza cannot bring "these sham technocratic, ruling class regimes" to fall. We must fight on, whether they fail or no.

okie farmer | Jul 3, 2015 3:03:15 AM | 64

#57

Yves Smith et al may not be as loony as you think. Check out this piece by William Engdahl, in which he has identified Varifoukas as a modern version of a Trojan horse, but in this instance, acting in the interest of the Greek oligarchs. It is this particular segment of the Greek population which has in large part been shielded from public view, most because of all the focus on the evil troika. Engdahl quite rightly put much of the blame for the current Greek crisis on a long established practice by the corrupt Greek political class, that has not only plundered and looted the country for the past 70 years (he actually sees that this is a centuries old practice), but has willfully subjected their fellow country folk to never-ending debt enslavement.

http://journal-neo.org/2015/07/03/what-stinks-about-varoufakis-and-the-whole-greek-mess/

An interesting point, and this is on reason that NC could be cut some slack, is that Tsiprias and Varifoukas played nothing other than a game of brinkmanship that was a sure loser. Given that they had no plan-B to fall back on, and that they refused Putin's offer of assistance, it is hard to argue against Engdahls' conclusion that this was a rigged game all the way - one rigged by the Greek oligarchs, with Tsiprias and Varifoukas acting as their proxies.

I was always suspicious of the smile that never ceases to leave Varifoukas' face.

bjmaclac | Jul 3, 2015 2:43:06 AM | 63
RT
IMF and Ukraine agree on terms for release of $1.7 bn in bailout funds

The International Monetary Fund and Kiev's representatives have agreed on a set of measures to be taken by Ukraine in order to receive $1.7 billion in bailout money, according to the IMF press service. The much needed 2nd tranche of a promised $17.5 billion support package will be released when the IMF's Ukrainian mission determines that the requirements of the agreement have been met, though the press release did not specify what those conditions might be. The IMF's management and board will also have to approve the final release of funds.

Initially, the IMF predicated their support on Ukraine reaching a deal with its private creditors to restructure its debt to reduce its payments by $15 billion over four years. This has not proven easy, however, and the IMF now says it may release funds to Kiev even if it defaults on its private creditors.

okie farmer | Jul 3, 2015 3:12:42 AM | 65

http://rt.com/op-edge/271003-greece-bailout-default-scenarios/

Presuming the referendum occurs, the range of outcomes can be distilled thus:

A> Greece votes "Yes": Tsipras resigns (as Energy Minister Panagiotis Lafazanis has already hinted), EU rejoices but unless a technocratic government can be rustled up in Parliament, the ensuing election campaign will waste valuable weeks and add to uncertainty and instability. Any subsequent negotiations will see Greece economically immolated by its unrepentant lenders.

B> Greece votes No:

Technically referenda are considered consultative and need a 40 percent turnout to be deemed relevant.

With Greece in default on its IMF loans, the concept that a strong 'no' vote strengthens its hand in negotiations is a dubious assertion verging on folly. There is no negotiation, thus no strengthened position. Egos may be soothed but that won't feed Greek pensioners.
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Neither vote enables a simple resolution. No delivers a poisoned chalice. A petulant EU, rattled by Greece's refusal to be supplicant to the superpower of delusion, won't receive Alexis Tsipras back into the fold prodigal son-style.

2) Greece maintains the euro: Syriza's apparent (self-defeating) choice. Athens must release the currency pressure valve to rebalance Greece, enabling future export and tourist growth fuelled by a cheaper New Drachma.

(Incidentally, this default is Greece's sixth since 1826).
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4) Greece introduces parallel currency to pay bills. Thus a New Drachma will emerge and Greece will de facto exit the eurozone. By this stage the EU will be too preoccupied with its own credibility gap to hold Greece within the eurozone's structures.
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6) Third party motivated regime change cannot be discounted: Some angry creditors are likely pushing for Syriza to be ousted. However a No vote gives Syriza a mandate to govern, albeit against a very volatile, probably quite chaotic, background.

8) Greece abandons the euro and adopts bitcoin - a lovely idea which would at least guarantee citizens could no longer be subject to summary devaluation at the knee. Alas only slightly more plausible than lenders accepting a No vote is a basis for debt relief.

And what of the eurozone?

The EU has egg on its face and a sickly currency whose sanctity is being undermined. Economically, Greek GDP is barely 1.8 percent of the 335 million citizen eurozone. However contagion risks will be a huge worry. Europe has delayed vital structural reforms and will pay a greater price than the 'mere' high unemployment relative stagnation of recent years where Asia rose and Europe froze. Investors will be spooked to realize the euro is not merely perishable, it is in mortal danger. Greece is a small but debt-laden Mediterranean nation, behind the narcissistic political hubris, the EU remains an, albeit fading, giant of global influence.

somebody | Jul 3, 2015 3:40:18 AM | 66
okie farmer | Jul 3, 2015 3:12:42 AM | 65

Sure, they played this lose lose, that is the part that really worries me. You cannot trust politicians who enter that type of game. And this is all the EU.

somebody | Jul 3, 2015 4:50:22 AM | 67

Comrade X | Jul 3, 2015 2:22:41 AM | 62

"smart people now benefit in contraction", sure, as the fire sales concentrate ownership to the very few. This model has been tested and proven politically unsustainable before, it leads to war, where "smart people" are bound to benefit, too.

bjmaclac | Jul 3, 2015 2:43:06 AM | 63

Engdahl certainly is right in that Syriza is made an example of to disencourage (Southern) European national politicians from challenging the system. The result, however, is very much the end of Europe, as there is no way now to sell European initiatives to the - very diverse - national publics. The discussion in Germany has been framed in a way that makes it virtually impossible to transfer any more billions to creditors or agree to a debt cut meaning the billions granted before on saving German and international banks have to be written off.

European politicians got themselves in such a quandary that they depend on the IMF to solve the crisis whilst making the solution more and more expensive themselves. By defaulting on the IMF Greece presumably has taken that option from the table. The BRICS will not pay for the "European problem".

radiator | Jul 3, 2015 5:21:07 AM | 68

The earlier declaration from the Monarchs of the European voting commission was telling. They demanded a two week delay to allow their minions to browbeat and propagandize the poor Greeks before a 'fair', read controlled, referendum could take place. Wayoutwest | Jul 2, 2015 1:51:47 PM | 7

I have to say that I totally didn't get that point so far. Of course they're going nuts about a short-noticed referendum, because usually in these cases the public gets brainwashed for months in advance. Can't believe I didn't notice that right away.

It's the essence of western democracy: let people vote, but only the things you want them to choose from. Nice move by Syriza btw! Now that I think about it, it's obvious that they planfully came up with the referendum as suprise! Kudos!

okie farmer | Jul 3, 2015 6:00:23 AM | 69

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-02/china-state-official-hints-beijing-may-bailout-greece
China may help Greece directly through its new financial instruments, director of the Quantitative Finance Department at China's Institute of Quantitative and Technical Economics told Sputnik China.

"The Greek crisis has an undoubtedly seriously influence on China's trade with Greece and investment into the country. But I think that European countries together with China can help Greece overcome the problems that arose," Fan Mingtao said.

"I believe there are two ways to give Greece Chinese aid. First, within the framework of the international aid through EU countries. Second, China could aid Greece directly. Especially considering the Silk Road Economic Belt and the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank. China has this ability," Fan added

Jackrabbit | Jul 3, 2015 8:24:26 AM | 71

okie @65

A 'YES' vote is capitulation. A 'NO' vote means negotiation backed by the possibility of GRexit.

GRexit has not been an option so far because Syriza had no democratic authority to contemplate such a move. Allowing for the possibility of GRexit gives the Greek side a much stronger hand.

Both sides are playing games. You can't take what they say at face value. The Greeks are pro-Europe until the are not. Tsipras says that a 'NO' vote is not a vote for GRexit. But a 'NO' allows for GRexit if negotiations fail.

If a GRexit occurs, the Greek side will blame the Troika, pointing to how determined Syriza has been to stay in Europe. This political blame game is meant to raise the stakes.

I think Greece would issue a parallel currency like Tax Anticipation Notes (TANs) during a transition period (maybe starting right after a 'NO' vote). If Greece exits, they will likely get support (loans, trade deals) from BRICS. Russia has an incentive to see that Greece does not fail, while the Troika has an incentive to see that Greece does fail.

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I think there will be a 'NO' vote and, armed with the recently released IMF report on the sustainability of Greek debt, Greece will get a favorable agreement. The BIG question in my mind is whether the Troika will insist on Greece to agree to support tighter EU integration. That would then also be asked of other PIGS that seek debt relief.

So this Greek crisis could represent the beginning of the end for the EZ or an significant advance for those that want to see a "United States of Europe".

okie farmer | Jul 3, 2015 9:13:28 AM | 72

Syriza had no democratic authority to contemplate such a move.
It's worse than that, there's no mechanism in Monetary Union itself for anyone in to exit.

ADL Poll: 85% of Greeks Believe the Jews Have Too Much Power Over Global Finance

jfl | Jul 3, 2015 9:17:19 AM | 73
A new poll by the Anti-Defamation League found that the majority of Greeks continue to hold anti-Semitic views about Jewish control over finance and the global economy, despite a recent drop in anti-Jewish attitudes in other parts of Europe.
They are desperate! The Greeks are NAZIs! Wow! It is amusing to see them going insane, breaking down right on stage before the audience ... roaring with laughter? I know I am. If you lose your money, good god don't you lose your mind!

Come on Greeks! You've got 'em on the run! As that great stateswoman Nancy Reagan once said with regard to drug dealers - "Just say NO!"

somebody | Jul 3, 2015 9:24:17 AM | 74

And now it is Jeffrey D. Sachs coming out for a no
German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble has a clear negotiating strategy, aimed at getting Greece to agree to leave the eurozone. Unfortunately for him, Greece does not want to exit, and it cannot be forced to do so under the treaties governing the European Union. What Greece wants is to remain in the eurozone, with a lower debt burden – a position that is both economically astute and protected by treaty.

... ... ...

There are plenty of precedents for such a course. Sovereign debts have been restructured hundreds, perhaps thousands, of times – including for Germany. In fact, hardline demands by the country's US government creditors after World War I contributed to deep financial instability in Germany and other parts of Europe, and indirectly to the rise of Adolf Hitler in 1933. After World War II, however, Germany was the recipient of vastly wiser concessions by the US government, culminating in consensual debt relief in 1953, an action that greatly benefitted Germany and the world. Yet Germany has failed to learn the lessons of its own history.
I propose a four-step path out of the Greek crisis. First, I recommend that the Greek people give a resounding "No" to the creditors in the referendum on their demands this weekend.

Second, Greece should continue to withhold service on its external debts to official creditors in advance of a consensual debt restructuring later this year. Given its great depression, Greece should use its savings to pay pensioners, provide food relief, make crucial infrastructure repairs, and direct liquidity toward the banking system.

Third, Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras must use his persuasive powers to convince the public, in the style of US President Franklin D. Roosevelt, that the only thing they have to fear is fear itself. Specifically, the government should make clear to all Greeks that their euro deposits are safe; that the country will remain within the eurozone (despite the false claims by some members of the Eurogroup that a no vote means a Greek exit); and that its banks will reopen immediately after the referendum.

Finally, Greece and Germany need to come to a rapprochement soon after the referendum and agree to a package of economic reforms and debt relief. No country – including Greece – should expect to be offered debt relief on a silver platter; relief must be earned and justified by real reforms that restore growth, to the benefit of both debtor and creditor. And yet, a corpse cannot carry out reforms. That is why debt relief and reforms must be offered together, not reforms "first" with some vague promises that debt relief will come in some unspecified amount at some unspecified time in the future (as some in Europe have said to Greece).

okie farmer | Jul 3, 2015 9:26:48 AM | 75

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11714655/Greek-banks-down-to-500m-in-cash-reserves-as-economy-crashes.html

Greece is sliding into a full-blown national crisis as the final cash reserves of the banking system evaporate by the hour and swathes of industry start to shut down, precipitating the near disintegration of the ruling coalition. Business leaders have been locked in talks with the Bank of Greece, pleading for the immediate release of emergency liquidity funds (ELA) to cover food imports and pharmaceutical goods before the tourist sector hits a brick wall. Officials say the central bank will release the funds as soon as Friday, but this is a stop-gap measure at best. "We are on a war footing in this country," said Yanis Varoufakis, the Greek finance minister. The daily allowance of cash from many ATM machines has already dropped from €60 to €50, purportedly because €20 notes are running out.

Large numbers are empty. The financial contagion is spreading fast as petrol stations and small businesses stop accepting credit cards. Constantine Michalos, head of the Hellenic Chambers of Commerce, said lenders are simply running out of money. "We are reliably informed that the cash reserves of the banks are down to €500m. Anybody who thinks they are going to open again on Tuesday is day-dreaming. The cash would not last an hour," he said. "We are in an extremely dangerous situation. Greek companies have been excluded from the electronic transfers of Europe's Target2 system. The entire Greek business community is unable to import anything, and without raw materials they can't produce anything," he said.

okie farmer | Jul 3, 2015 9:48:31 AM | 76
Troika Maneuvering to Rig Greek Referendum (Martin Armstrong)

In a TV interview, Mr. Varoufakis said very clearly,

"This is a very dark moment for Europe. They have closed our banks for the sole purpose of blackmailing what? Getting a 'Yes' vote on a non-sustainable solution that would be bad for Europe."

I must admit, most politicians do not come even close to the truth, but Varoufakis seems to be the ONLY finance minister who understands the demands of the Troika are not plausible for any nation. Merkel has tried to skirt any responsibility by saying this is a Troika decision. One must seriously ask, are those in the Troika just totally brain-dead? Their blackmail and economic war against Greece will be evidence to ensure that Britain leaves the EU. The ONLY thing that saved Britain was Maggie Thatcher's effort to keep Britain out of the euro for she knew far too well where it would lead.

The view in Poland is also now anti-euro. Any Brit who now does not vote to get out of the EU and the grips of the Troika is ignorant of world events and the political power play going on. The EU leaders will not travel to Athens until after the referendum. Suddenly they realize that their powers are so off the wall that they dare not expose their own schemes. Hollande of France wants a resolution for he fears a Frexit is gaining momentum. Obama wants a resolution, fearing Greece will be forced into the arms of Russia, breaking down NATO. Yet through all of this, there is no hope because those in power are clueless. The Troika refuses to solve the euro crisis because they only see their own self-interest and assume they can force their will upon all the people.

The Troika is doing everything in their power to rig the Greek referendum to make it appear that the Greek people want Brussels. The Troika deliberately closed the banks to punish the people of Greece, and to show them what exiting the euro means. This appears to be their only way of diverting the crisis with orchestrating a fake "YES" vote to economic suicide. The Troika will attempt to rig the referendum as they did with the Scottish elections. So expect biased vote counting in favor of a "YES" vote to stay in the euro. As Stalin said, "Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything."
http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/34268

rexl | Jul 3, 2015 9:53:17 AM | 77

So, do you think the large banks in the US have any loans still in their vaults or did they sell them all to the FED when it was buying 85 BILLION per month? I mean, most of the real estate loans are FHA, so never show up anyway. And the banks received dollar for dollar value on the exchange of bad and marginal loans and even, why not, good loans?

okie farmer | Jul 3, 2015 9:57:03 AM | 78

http://www.smh.com.au/world/when-greece-forgave-germanys-debt-20150703-gi43a0.html

After the hell of World War II, the Federal Republic of Germany – commonly known as West Germany – got massive help with its debt from former foes. Among its creditors then? Greece. The 1953 agreement, in which Greece and about 20 other countries effectively wrote off a large chunk of Germany's loans and restructured the rest, is a landmark case that shows how effective debt relief can be. It helped spark what became known as the German economic miracle.

So it's perhaps ironic that Germany is now among the countries resisting Greece's requests for debt relief. Greek Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis claims debt relief is the key issue that held up a deal with creditors last week and says he'd rather cut off his arm than sign a deal that does not tackle the country's borrowings. The IMF backed the call to make Greece's debt manageable with a wide-ranging report on Thursday that also blames the Greek government for being slow with reforms. Despite years of budget cuts, Greece's debt burden is higher than when its bailout began in 2010 – more than €300 billion, or 180% of annual GDP – because the economy has shrunk by a quarter.

ab initio | Jul 3, 2015 10:40:39 AM | 84
okie farmer @75

The social fabric in Greece is likely to unravel completely providing the fascist New Dawn an even larger opening. Those that want to accept whatever terms the EU/IMF offer to insure their banks get the emergency funding to stay open and will vote Yes in the referendum are neck and neck with the No vote group.

Syriza knows that at the end of the day they have a Hobbesian choice. The majority of Greeks want to be in the Euro. If Syriza want their banks open under the Euro system they have to agree to whatever the EU offers, otherwise they'll have to go against the wishes of the majority of Greeks and move to another currency. They have no other choice.

Comrade X | Jul 3, 2015 10:50:03 AM | 85

jfl @73, have ADL acknowledged Israel's reassurances from Ukranian NAZI's?

ADL condemns Greeks for thinking Jews exercise inordinate control over finance and the global economy (implying their resistance arises out of antisemitism). Israel supports fascists where they commit to "oppose all [racist] phenomena, especially anti-Semitism, with all legitimate means." If ADL does not request such commitment from Syriza (which is obviously unnecessary), is that because they don't want it? Do they not want it because the Greeks are right?

Comrade X | Jul 3, 2015 11:17:38 AM | 86
Re somebody @74: Sachs, ever this schmuck-comprador, concludes "No country – including Greece – should expect to be offered debt relief on a silver platter; relief must be earned and justified by real reforms that restore growth, to the benefit of both debtor and creditor." Why does he neglect the issue of odious debt, you may ask:
[SNOWDEN] do you see 'odious debt' as a workable concept?

[SACHS] That's a tough question. I am sympathetic to the idea but I have taken a
somewhat different view. I of course agree with Michael Kremer that cer-
tain debts need to be forgiven, and his view is that certain debts ought not
to be enforceable at all. There are two aspects that concern me with his
approach. First, even non-odious debt should be forgiven in many circum-
stances. So I don't think that the answer to sub-Saharan Africa's debt prob-
lem depends so much on where the debt came from, as opposed to what
the current implications are of the accumulated debt. Some countries get
themselves into a mess through bad luck or bad governance and in my
view these countries need help.
Societies should not be trapped by debt
when it is a life and death issue. Second, I am not sure that we know, or can
define what 'odious' means in a clear-cut, unambiguous way. Tastes vary a
lot about what is or what is not good governance.
I worry that rich and pow-
erful countries are likely to manipulate decisions on which debts are to be
defined as odious. I would not want to see the Pentagon deciding whose debts
are odious and whose are not. So the applicability of the concept worries
me. However, there is something particularly troubling about a brutal dic-
tatorship that takes on debt by mortgaging national assets and then the cit-
izens of that country, for decades to come, having to pay for that debt. After
all, in most countries private citizens are not responsible for the repayment
of debt incurred in their name by fraudsters. So I sympathise with the
idea, but have a problem seeing how the idea can be put into operation.

Forgive me, I cannot waste any more time deconstructing that obvious bullshit. SACHS is a legendary good cop. The "NO" possibility must be bracketed and so his "approval" is unsurprising.
Comrade X | Jul 3, 2015 12:18:10 PM | 90
Comrade X | Jul 3, 2015 10:27:05 AM | 83

Very simple, because there is no such thing as rational agents.

Smart is different, if you take the - original - UK meaning.

somebody | Jul 3, 2015 11:24:22 AM | 87

To okie farmer @76; Armstrong is hysterical: e.g. "One must seriously ask, are those in the Troika just totally brain-dead?" and "there is no hope because those in power are clueless." Blimey, 'e sounds like a fooking war correspondent. 'E must like war.

ben | Jul 3, 2015 12:50:19 PM | 91

From TRNN on Greece:

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=14132

somebody | Jul 3, 2015 12:56:55 PM | 92
Comrade X | Jul 3, 2015 12:18:10 PM | 90

:-)) Chomsky should have known better. The information in the approval is that there is a transatlantic economist establishment party supporting the "no",
apart from Syriza, Beppe Grillo, Podemos - and British media. Looks like the regime change plot is a German one.

Jackrabbit | Jul 3, 2015 2:04:15 PM | 93

Investment Bank RBS has done the math
PM Tsipras said that Euro members will never allow Greece to exit, because it would be too expensive. But what is, really, the cost of Grexit?
We estimate the minimum direct cost of Grexit at around €239bn or 2.4% of Eurozone GDP.

Is Greece too big to fail for the Eurozone, as Tsipras argues? No. Grexit costs are manageable for creditors. Yet, Grexit is twice more expensive than keeping Greece within the Eurozone (even with debt relief). Making Greek debt sustainable again by restructuring it and bringing close to 100% of GDP, would cost roughly half that (€140bn, or 1.4% of Eurozone GDP). The real issue, of course, would be moral hazard for other countries, which may be incentivised to ask for debt relief as well. This issue may be avoided with a conditional form of debt restructuring...

... ... ... According to the RBS analysis, it makes financial sense for the Troika to help Greece instead of risk GRexit. Its only that other countries might seek debt relief that prevents them from doing so (plus their dislike of the Tsipras government).

And, we now know that the IMF agrees: Greek debt should be restructured.

somebody | Jul 3, 2015 2:27:08 PM | 95

There seems to be an EU climbdown
Tusk refused to get drawn out on what this alternative solution might look like. "If you imagine too much, you get self-fulfilling prophesies," he said, adding that it was above all necessary to "avoid this dramatic scenario: the breakup of the eurozone."

He added that the stakes in Greece go well beyond the debt or future of the euro, and are at heart geopolitical: "Greece and the Balkans are the traditional soft underbelly of Europe," and the EU needs to move "very, very cautiously."

... Berlin dreaming - Gremain scenario - in German

Let Greece go bankrupt within the Euro. ECB control capital flows. Foreign banks to take over bankrupt Greek national banks. Personal hardship to be softened by humanitarian EU programme.

james | Jul 3, 2015 3:44:33 PM | 97

official stenographer's viewpoint ...

Mr. Tsipras's unexpected decision to call the referendum was the equivalent of a frustrated chess player trying to break open a match with a daring last-minute move that his opponent considered to be against the rules.

VietnamVet | Jul 3, 2015 4:46:54 PM | 98
We are witnessing a black swan event. The Greek banks have run out of cash. Either the EU seizes Greece or a failed state in Europe has been born with Ukraine soon to follow. All of the Greek debts are void and trillions in derivative payments will be due. This is 2008 all over again with the collapse of the western financial system possible. This is why everyone is so desperate. Yet, for pennies on the total cost of the default, Greece could be saved. Magnanimity may yet win out but it would mean the end of the current rule of extinction capitalism in the West.

[Jul 03, 2015] Europe's leaders must end this reckless standoff with Greece by Guy Verhofstadt, former prime minister of Belgium

"...Neoliberal politicians are well-paid traitors to their own countries and peoples - how much empathy can be expected of them for anyone else?"
"...When I see expressions like "hard-working" and "sustainable", I stop reading. It is as Orwell said: ready made plastic expressions rushing in to smother all possibility of an original individual thought. All this dolt needed to include were "inclusive", "sensitive", "globalised", "aspirational", "stakeholders", and he would be done."
"...You are quite right about Golden Dawn but I don't think the Troika actually care about that so much. Its beyond obvious that the Troika care nothing for the Greek population and I think they would be content with a fascist dictatorship as long as it signs up to austerity."
"...That would not be a bad thing, but I don't think the Euro is seen as an error or a mistake at all. As Germany has discovered, it is an extremely useful tool in assuring the triumph of greed: keeping populations poor, unemployed and fearful, so they are more willing to accept the lash of the markets and agree to bank bailouts, low wages, a diminished social safety-net, trade treaties, etc., etc."
Jul 03, 2015 | The Guardian

The possibility of a Greek exit from the eurozone has never been more likely. We shouldn't be under any illusions – this would be a catastrophe for Greece's eurozone creditors, the Greek state and the European Union.

Like it or not, we are all in this together. If we continue on our current trajectory, everyone stands to lose from what now resembles a reckless, self-destructive standoff. The Greek economy is on the verge of complete collapse. This would not only be devastating for the people of Greece, it will guarantee that creditors never see their money again. We must remember that Germany has lent approximately €80bn. This is an astonishing figure, close to a quarter of Greece's budget for 2016. Yet the sad irony is, the longer the current impasse continues, the greater pressure Angela Merkel will face within her own party to reject any solution that is accepted by the Greek government.

But much more is at stake than euros. The world will consider a "Grexit" as a devastating blow for EU monetary cooperation and the European project. A destabilising Grexit will only be welcomed by the likes of China, Russia and those who are most threatened by a strong, united European Union. If Greece is to stay within the eurozone, we need to secure a massive de-escalation of the tensions, rhetoric and threats from both sides – and fast. It is time for Greece's finance minister Yanis Varoufakis and the political leaders of the eurozone to come to their senses and bring this crisis back from the brink.


Prodisestab -> HolyInsurgent 3 Jul 2015 18:26

Neoliberal politicians are well-paid traitors to their own countries and peoples - how much empathy can be expected of them for anyone else?


Panagiotis Theodoropoulos Gjenganger 3 Jul 2015 19:20

Agreed to a good extent. However, when the discussions broke off Friday night, the two sides were very close regarding the measures that were needed. I believe that they were off by 60 million euros only. Their differences were mostly about the types of measures to be taken with the Greek government wanting more taxes on businesses and the creditors wanting more to be paid by ordinary people. The problem that I have and that a lot of observers have with that is the fact that the Greek government did compromize quite a lot while the creditors refused to budge from their inflexible position despite the fact that implementation of their policies during the last five years has put the country into a depression. A basic premise of "negotiation" is that both sides make compromises in order to arrive at a mutually beneficial solution. In this case the creditors demonstrated total lack of flexibility, which clearly indicates alterior motives at least on the part of some of the creditors. In Germany they have fed their people with all the hate against "lazy Greeks" etc that clearly shows up in these messages and in that sense they have themselves created a very negative environment. I believe that about 90% or so of all the loans that have been given to Greece went back to the creditors. Greece is not looking for handouts here. This must be understood.

This is a debt crisis that has been mishandled and that has span out of control as a result. Economic terrorism is not justified under any conditions and particularly within the EZ.

LiveitOut 3 Jul 2015 21:45

When I see expressions like "hard-working" and "sustainable", I stop reading.

It is as Orwell said: ready made plastic expressions rushing in to smother all possibility of an original individual thought.

All this dolt needed to include were "inclusive", "sensitive", "globalised", "aspirational", "stakeholders", and he would be done.

How odd all this stuff about hardworking families when we are all being screwed to kingdom come by hard whoring banking gangsters who have never done a second of useful work in their effing lives --

Optymystic, 3 Jul 2015 12:55

The Greek economy is on the verge of complete collapse. This would not only be devastating for the people of Greece, it will guarantee that creditors never see their money again.

The debt has been known to be unpayable for a long time. It has nothing to do with current events in Greece. It should have been written off.

No one believes anything Alexis Tsipras says anymore, and this is why a yes vote on Sunday is crucial. But it's also clear eurozone leaders have made mistakes with Greece.

But despite their nonsenses the latter group somehow, mysteriously, retain credibility. It was not the antics of Tsiparis that brought about this mess but the behaviour of his 'credible' opponents.

Greece and its creditors agree a three-month window to develop a long-term reform programme combined with an investment package to turn Greece's ailing economy around.

Now you are getting close to the Syriza position.

Let us use this crisis to deliver real, sustainable change by drawing up a settlement in the next three months in which the Greek state, its government and its administration are paying back the debts, instead of forcing hard-working citizens to pay the bill.

Is that before or after the twenty-year moratorium on debt implied by the IMF?

From the burning embers of two world wars, we have created a single market with free movement of people, goods, services and capital.

And the freedom to avoid taxes.

PaleMan -> jonbryce 3 Jul 2015 12:59

You are quite right about Golden Dawn but I don't think the Troika actually care about that so much.

Its beyond obvious that the Troika care nothing for the Greek population and I think they would be content with a fascist dictatorship as long as it signs up to austerity.

Danny Sheahan 3 Jul 2015 12:59

No one believes the ECB or the EU leadership anymore.

If they were serious about the Euro as a strong functional currency this mess would not be so big.

They would not have had to flush out private German and French bad debt in the 2nd bailout by putting it on the tax payer, or those countries would have had to step in to hep their banks and political careers would have been over.

The ECB has become a political football and it cannot maintain stability in its currency region. It is a failed central bank.

Vilos_Cohaagen 3 Jul 2015 12:58

"The Greek economy is on the verge of complete collapse. This would not only be devastating for the people of Greece, it will guarantee that creditors never see their money again."

The problem is that there's no scenario where the creditors do get paid back. So, why (for a start) "lend" them 60 billion more Euros? Wiping the debt completely out just means that the Greeks can start accumulating new "debt" they'll have no intention to re-pay and will be defaulting on a few years down the line.

BusinessWriter 3 Jul 2015 12:52

it will guarantee that creditors never see their money again.

Crazy - this Guy actually thinks the creditors have any chance of seeing their money again - what planet is he on.
As for his idea that the Greek state (or any state for that matter that doesn't control its own currency) can pay of its debt independent of the taxpaying public - it's deluded nonsense.

Where is the Greek state supposed to get the billions of euro from? The only source of revenue it has is taxes or selling assets that it holds on behalf of the citizens of Greece.

Equally, the idea that the clientelist state is somehow a separate thing to the majority of the Greek people is nonsense. So many of them are either employed by the state or in professions protected from competition by the state or in companies that only serve the state. Identifying anyone who doesn't benefit in some way from the current clientelist state would be like looking for an ATM in Athens with cash in it on Monday morning.

This Guy is just another symptom of the problem - he offers no sustainable solution - and what he does offer is incoherent and too late.

fullgrill -> elliot2511 3 Jul 2015 12:51

That would not be a bad thing, but I don't think the Euro is seen as an error or a mistake at all. As Germany has discovered, it is an extremely useful tool in assuring the triumph of greed: keeping populations poor, unemployed and fearful, so they are more willing to accept the lash of the markets and agree to bank bailouts, low wages, a diminished social safety-net, trade treaties, etc., etc.

whichone 3 Jul 2015 12:50

"Syriza's game is up. No one believes anything Alexis Tsipras says anymore"

well 1) it looks like 50% of the Greeks believe him

2) The IMF (and Merkel in leaked notes) have acknowledged that the debt is unsustainable even if Greece accept all conditions imposed by the Troika.

Varoufakis has been saying this since the start. So lets no longer pretend that this is all about getting the money back or that Greece wants to avoid its responsibility to its creditors : again will say Varoufakis has said the Greek government does not want to do this. The point is he and many other knowledgeable people (not politicians) know that it can not be paid back , but with the conditions in place to allow the economy to start to grow then Greece has a chance to pay some of it back. This is about bringing a Government to heel. I wish the Guardian , having continually reported on this crisis and knows what has been said allows a contributor to use the paper as propaganda.

And I hope that all those people who purposely said that a 'NO' vote means a no to Greece in the Euro and EU after a 'NO' result and surprise surprise Greece is still in the Euro, get thrown to the Wolves.

The same is goes with the comments about Varoufakis playing Game theory. He denied this basically saying that those who say this obviously don't know the first thing about Game Theory.

badluc TheSighingDutchman 3 Jul 2015 12:48

Genuine question: correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't the electorates of Germany, Netherlands, Finland etc been consistently fed by most of their politicians (and newspapers) a completely mistaken "morality tale" about what the root causes of the problems are, blaming inefficient and corrupt governments who borrowed too much, without mentioning either the reckless lenders (mainly German, French, Dutch etc banks), were silent about the shifting of the burden of bad lending from the banks to the EU taxpayers (did they ever acknowledge that clearly?!?), describing the solution as a punitive austerity which would somehow bring moribund economies back from the abyss, etc? Politicians have a duty to be frank and sincere with their electorate, sharing with them all the relevant data they have on a given problem. If they have been feeding them misguided rhetoric, they have only themselves to blame if the chickens now come home to roost. In other words, if the electorate would now revolt against the inevitable, don't the politicians of those countries who have most strongly supported and advocated austerity have only themselves to blame?

SouthSeas 3 Jul 2015 12:48

Germany has lent 80bn to Greece to pay back loans from German banks

RudolphS 3 Jul 2015 12:47

While Verhofstadt calls for a cooling-off period he at the same time claims 'Syriza's game is up' and is urging the Greek people to vote 'yes' next sunday. With the latter he shows his true colours as just another Brussels eurocrat, and is only fuelling debate instead of cooling-off.

Dear Mr. Verhofstadt, why the hell do you think the Greek voted en masse for a party like Syriza? Because they are sick and tired of people like you.

And yes, there much more at stake than a debt. Putin must be watching this whole spectacle with total bewilderment how the EU is crippling itself from the inside.


Rainborough 3 Jul 2015 12:47

Anyone who is in danger of being impressed by conservative politician Guy Verhofstadt's perspective on Greek problems might like to bear in mknd that among his numerous other highly lucrative financial interests is his position on the board of the multi-billion Belgian investment company Sofina, whose interests include a stake in the highly controversial planned privatization of the Thessaloniki water utility.


hatewarmongers OscarD 3 Jul 2015 12:46

The neoliberal elite don't


SHappens 3 Jul 2015 12:17

In a democracy people can chose their fate by voting or through referendum. That's the way it goes but not in Europe where referendum are seen as a danger to the establishment. Tsipras, as soon as he came to power through a democratic vote was seen as a danger. He was ostracized and considered a pariah, Greece became a pariah state and they can as well die from hunger.

The EU, and institutions have behaved like the little bullies they are, just like they did with Switzerland after the vote on immigration, they threat, blackmail everyone who dare think different.

For the sake of democracy, the Greeks have to vote no, there is no other decent alternatives especially after all the bashing and disrespect they have been under. Nobody in EU and US (since they have their say in european affairs) want to see Greece walking away, nor Russia or China for that matter. But Tsipras had the opportunity to see where his real allies stand, and it is not within Europe. He might not forget this in the future.


mfederighi 3 Jul 2015 12:09

You are entirely right in suggesting that the only sustainable solution is a far-reaching reform programme for the Greek state and the reek economy. However, when you say that:

Greece's people must be at the centre of such a settlement. They did not cause this crisis and remain the victims of successive Greek governments, who have protected vested interests and the Greek clientelist system at their expense.

You seem to think that vested interest and the reek clientelist system are distinct from the Greek people. There is, I am afraid, a substantial overlap - that is, quite a few people benefit from clientelism and are part of vested interests. Not recognising this is disingenuous.

After all, corrupt and inefficient governments have been elected again and again - by whom?

jimmywalter 3 Jul 2015 12:06

The Banks solution is no solution - it means poverty and no taxes to pay to repay. The Banks want a Treaty of Versailles. We all know of a certain Austrian that rose up to end the German economic collapse. We all know how that ended. I don't want that again. People revolt over economics. Spain, Italy, and Greece have huge numbers of unemployeed who did nothing to create this crisis. The Banks did. Who should pay? Anyway, leave the Euro, stay in the EU!

[Jul 03, 2015] Renegotiating Greece's debt

Here are my thoughts on options for handling Greece's debt.

Let me begin with the following question: if someone makes a new loan to the Greek government, are they ever going to get paid back? Let's start by being clear about what we mean by "paid back." There's nothing fundamentally unsound about the consols that the British government sometimes used historically to borrow. These bonds were intended to pay interest forever but never repay the principal. In practical terms it's not really that different from a 30-year bond, nor for that matter from a one-year bond that creditors always roll over. As long as the interest payments always get made, the buyer can consider himself fully "paid back" in the present-value sense for the consol he purchased, even if the principal itself is never repaid.

But the question is, where will the Greek government get the funds with which to make future interest payments? If they always just borrow new sums with which to make interest payments as they come due, it's obviously not a good deal for the creditors. The debt just grows over time, and creditors are only being paid back with their own money. If you followed the cash flow over time, you'd find it's always a one-way street from creditors to borrowers, and amounts to an outright gift from creditors, not a loan that is ever paid back in any sense.

One way to keep track of this is by looking at the government's primary budget surplus, which is calculated by taking the usual budget surplus and adding to it the government's annual interest payments. If the interest payments are large, the normally calculated budget might be in deficit (defined here as a negative surplus). But when you add interest payments to that negative number, it could come out to be a positive number.

If the normal budget is in deficit but the primary budget is in surplus, it means that the debt is going to grow over time, but at least some of the interest payments are being made with real funds instead of with new borrowing. If you work through the math, it turns out that as long as the primary budget surplus is equal to annual interest expense, creditors are being fully repaid in present-value sense, even though the debt itself is never retired.

But if the primary surplus is less than the annual interest expense, the debt will be growing, and repaying in present value requires continual revenue increases or budget cuts. The question anyone lending new sums to Greece must contemplate is whether that's a plausible scenario.

What are the numbers for Greece's primary surplus? It turns out it's harder to find a straight answer to that question than it should be. The graph below plots the figures from the IMF World Economic Outlook database. These claim that after years of big deficits, Greece finally ran a primary surplus of 1.2% of GDP in 2013.

Greece_surplus_jun_15

But the ECB claims instead that Greece ran a primary deficit of 8.3% of GDP rather than a surplus in 2013. What's the controversy? Based on this report from the Wall Street Journal, it appears that the IMF must be excluding one-time expenditures in support of the Greek banking system, which amounted to 10.8% of GDP. In terms of the calculus of whether external creditors on net were getting repaid anything in 2013, the ECB concept appears to be the correct one– Greece was still running a big primary deficit in 2013 in the sense that any interest payments they made that year, along with much of their spending, were paid for with newly borrowed money.

For 2015 the IMF is anticipating a primary surplus of 3% of GDP. But Daniel Gros attributes the surplus so far in 2015 to factors such as the government not having made cash payments yet for goods and services already ordered or provided– otherwise known as new government borrowing not recorded in the official measures of government debt.

This is why creditors are asking for more progress from Greece on the primary surplus before extending additional funds. But here's the response of Greek finance minister Yanis Varoufakis:

Greece's drama is often misunderstood in northern climes because past profligacy has overshadowed the exceptional adjustment of the past five years. Since 2009 the Greek state's deficit has been reduced, in cyclically adjusted terms, by a whopping 20 per cent, turning a large deficit into a large structural primary surplus. Wages contracted by 37 per cent, pensions by up to 48 per cent, state employment by 30 per cent, consumer spending by 33 per cent and even the current account deficit by 16 per cent.

Alas, the adjustment was so drastic that economic activity was choked, total income fell by 27 per cent, unemployment skyrocketed to 27 per cent, undeclared labour scaled 34 per cent, public debt rose to 180 per cent of the nation's rapidly dwindling GDP, investment and credit evaporated and young Greeks, just as their Irish counterparts, left for distant shores, taking with them huge quantities of human capital that the Greek state had invested in them.

What Greece needs now is not more cutbacks that push an impoverished populace into greater indignity, or higher tax rates and charges that crush what is left of economic activity. These "parametric" measures, as the institutions call them, have been excessive, the result now being a nation on its knees.

No, what Greece now needs desperately is serious, proper reforms. We need a new tax system that helps defeat evasion and curtail political or corporate interference, a corruption-free procurement system, business-friendly licensing procedures, judicial reforms, elimination of scandalous early retirement practices, proper regulation of the media and of political party finances, etc.

Suppose we granted the claim that further tax increases or spending cuts would be crippling and self-defeating. If true, doesn't that make a pretty good case that Greece does not have the capability to make real interest payments on any new debt? And if it is as simple as implementing a few reasonable reforms, why were these not instituted earlier, and how effective can they be expected to be? Why wouldn't they also depress demand in an already depressed economy?

[Jul 02, 2015]Did The IMF Just Open Pandoras Box?

Jul 02, 2015 | |zerohedge.com

By now it should be clear to all that the only reason why Germany has been so steadfast in its negotiating stance with Greece is because it knows very well that if it concedes to a public debt reduction (as opposed to haircut on debt held mostly by private entities such as hedge funds which already happened in 2012), then the rest of the PIIGS will come pouring in: first Italy, then Spain, then Portugal, then Ireland.

The problem is that while it took Europe some 5 years to transfer a little over €200 billion in Greek private debt exposure to the public balance sheet (by way of the ECB, EFSF, ESM and countless other ad hoc acronyms) at a cost of countless summits and endless negotiations, which may or may not result with the first casualty of the common currency which may prove to be reversible as soon as next week, nobody in Europe harbors any doubt that the same exercise can be repeated with Italy, or Spain, or even Portugal. They are just too big (and their nonperforming loans are in the hundreds of billions).

And yet, today, in a stunning display of the schism within the Troika, it was the IMF itself which explicitly stated that Greece is no longer viable unless there is both additional funding provided to the country, which can only happen if there is another massive debt haircut.

This is what the IMF said:

Even with concessional financing through 2018, debt would remain very high for decades and highly vulnerable to shocks. Assuming official (concessional) financing through end–2018, the debt-to-GDP ratio is projected at about 150 percent in 2020, and close to 140 percent in 2022 (see Figure 4ii). Using the thresholds agreed in November 2012, a haircut that yields a reduction in debt of over 30 percent of GDP would be required to meet the November 2012 debt targets. With debt remaining very high, any further deterioration in growth rates or in the mediumterm primary surplus relative to the revised baseline scenario discussed here would result in significant increases in debt and gross financing needs (see robustness tests in the next section below). This points to the high vulnerability of the debt dynamics.

And the kicker:

  • "these new financing needs render the debt dynamics unsustainable."

Bingo, because that is, in a nutshell, precisely what Tsipras and Varoufakis have been claiming since day one. As expected, a Greek government spokesman promptly said that the IMF report is in line with the Greek government's view on debt.

What makes the IMF report even more odd, is not so much its content and position which have been largely known for quite some time now, but its timing: just three days before the Sunday referendum, Tsipras now has prima facie evidence to wave in front of the Greek people and say "see, we were right all along."

It is exactly the case that only a "No" vote at this point would allow Greece to continue a negotiation which has already seen one of the three Troika members side with the Greek position. Should Greece vote "Yes", it will make any future negotiation with the Troika impossible, and while the country will get a few months respite the resultant bank run after the bank reopen with the ECB's blessing will mean that all Greece will do is buy itself a few months time. Only this time all the debt will still be due.

And, should hey vote "Yes", this time the Greeks will only have themselves to blame for all the future pain, pain which will continue well after the mid-point of this century.

But ignoring Greece for a minute, what the IMF's "debt sustainability analysis" has just done is open the door for every single other comparably insolvent peripheral European nation to knock on Christine Lagarde's door and politely ask: "Mme Lagarde, if Greece is unsustainable, then why aren't we?"

Because as the chart below shows, the debt situations of all the other peripheral European nations is just as "unsustainable."

In this way, while the outcome of the Greek situation is currently unknown, it has also become moot, because at this very moment, politicians from Spain's Podemos to Italy's Five Star movement are drafting memos demanding that the IMF evaluate their own debt sustainability. Or rather unsustainability.

Perhaps more importantly, these same politicians will now dangle the prospect of an IMF admission that they, too, deserve a haircut as the catalyst to be elected into power. After all who can refuse that their life would be made so much better if only the country was permitted to selectively "default" on €50, €100, €200 billion or more in debt? Just elect this politician, or that, and watch your living standard soar...

And since the IMF has no choice but to agree that just like Greece all these nations are accordingly drowning in debt, Syriza's sacrifice (assuming Tsipras fails to outnegotiate Merkel) will not have been in vain. In fact, it may very well end up that today the IMF opened up the Pandora's box, one which, more than a Grexit, will destroy Merkel's "united Europe" legacy.

AlaricBalth

The domino theory of the fiat money age.

James_Cole

Looks like US is using IMF to mess around a bit with German (and russian) ambitions.

i_call_you_my_base

Was thinking the same. The US is trying to foul things up for Europe here.

Pool Shark

Just like the 'Dread Pirate Roberts,' Central Banksters must leave no survivors. Otherwise word gets out that they've gone soft, and then it's nothing but 'work, work, work...'

disabledvet

Smith and Wesson sure looks good here.

"You can keep the Ouzo." And the "Ginsu 2" apparently.

The IMF is just a repository for US dollar funding. If the entire Continent of Europe cannot cough up a single US dollar to pay for "Greece" then that is the ECB's problem...not the IMF's problem.

Those dollar sure look pretty expensive right now...on that I would agree.

Tall Tom

Can I draft a memo to the IMF requesting if the United States can pay its debts?

Do you think that I'd be taken seriously?

Our arrears are worse than Greece's ever were. The Debt is unpayable.

This is laughable.

weburke

I predict 3 countries out of the eu, and the greek guy gets big billing with the pope talking us into the nwo.

greenskeeper carl's picture

Hahaha I fucking called this shit this morning as soon as I saw that first article. We don't need no water let the motherfucker burn... The house of cards is getting flimsy.

One of these is...

+1 for the firewater burn reference.

boogerbently

Contagion from NOT throwing Greece under the bus. The rest want THEIR "write downs" now.

Haus-Targaryen

Interesting.

This pits the IMF against Rainbowland. Their actions here imply they want the system to blow up (free shit for Greece (which is affordable) also means free shit for Italy and Spain (which isn't affordable)) however, Greece is now in formal default, and ClG could write her letter and deliver it tomorrow, blowing up Greece beyond recognition tomorrow.

The EU is pretty steadfast in what they desire -- Greece to bend over and keep the system going. Greece is pretty obviously willing to play kamikaze economics.

What I don't get is the IMF. Some of their actions imply they want the system to explode, while their other actions imply they don't. Given Greece and the EU kinda off-set each other right now -- the player at this point to watch is the IMF. ECB can wreck havoc with their collateral requirements, but apart from that this pig is stuffed until 6 PM CST on Sunday.

Crtrvlt

1) the IMF (US) realizes Greece can't fail for strategic geographic reasons

2) they are trying to save face for Merkel

Bankster Kibble

1) the IMF (US) realizes Greece can't fail for strategic geographic reasons

1.1) Greece must stay inside the EU because it is easier to block Russian gas lines that way, and the EU is too divided to decide how to pay for a gas line through Greece by itself

disabledvet

Greek "euro-debt" WAS paying 18% just last week.

"Ruble MONEY" pays about 14%...give or take.

Brazilian REALES look like the best deal on actual MONEY right now would appear...there just aren't many of those either though.

two hoots

This debt juggernaut is the planet's most serious threat. World leaders must get a grip on all lending institutions that can place irresponsible/shortsighted/corrupt countries in Greece situations.

We know the cause, symptoms and prognosis but fail to find a cure other than continuous talk, talk and more talk and more debt and we even know why we do this.

The US, G7, G20, UN someone, somewhere must take lead and cure the world of this bankers disease. The bankers caused it; keep them away from the patient.

I totally get the naivity of my comment, but this fixing it with what caused it is ...well.

James_Cole

Greece is now in formal default. Are they though? What I don't get is the IMF. Some of their actions imply they want the system to explode, while their other actions imply they don't.

Considering Germany and France have competing interests to the US this would make sense. All I know is watching this has been a lot more interesting than last seasons game of thrones.

i_call_you_my_base

I agree with you again. I'll throw this out there: if the US rattles Europe here, and then even pushes China's markets over, the US would have effectively kneecapped every major economy (inc Russia), all of northern Africa, and the ME in a decade and a half.

Captain Debtcrash

But nothing on Japan. It's amazing how they can look at one, Greece and say it is unsustainable, but just because Japan, who is in much worse shape, can print money they don't see a problem. A solvency crisis can not be solved with money printing, and most developed nations are insolvent. When the collective world realizes a printing press makes no difference there will be fireworks, and that realization will happen in the blink of an eye.


itstippy

Japan does not owe the Troika any money. Japan is not part of the European Union. Madames LeGarde and Merkel don't give a shit about Japan. I agree Japan is hopelessly insolvent, and the fact that JGBs (denominated in Yen) are seen as a "safe haven" in times of global turmoil is insane. Someday soon they are going to melt down into a pool of toxic crap.

F0ster

Exactly, if you "fuck the EU" and make them so poor they buy less energy products, you inadvertently kill one of Russia's preferred revenue streams. So the US is using the IMF to fuck the EU in its war with Russia.


falak pema

Hahaha, the "jack in the box flavour of truth"... the IMF now caught in its own cross hairs. DSK made that statement a few days ago that the chief economist of the IMF has now set in stone like a potential time bomb.

And Lady LAgarde, the scheming Milady of Status Quo, (she said no debt restructuring UNTIL they implement full austerity in Greece and kill all those pensioners), is now made to look like what she truly is : A creature of Pax Americana power cabal. The woman who said to Sarkozy; another Neo-con fellow traveller; fais ce que tu voudrais de moi Nicolas...back in 2007 when he got elected to President. And he did!

Now the IMF has turned the tables; probably to follow suit in echoing the declarations of its ex and humbled CEO; DSK. Is this the work of Olivier Blanchard who leaves the IMF or is it the work of his successor? In any case this is a psychological time bomb as the IMF mask comes off!

Rainman

Pretty clever ...this is where Lew gets a demand for a declaration of unlimited credit to the IMF; then the cycle of destruction moves to the next phase.

overqualified

Meet the new Mutually Assured Destruction

N57Mike

"Pandora was a woman who lived with her husband in a paradise and was given a beautiful box for safekeeping with the caution that she ought not to ever, ever open it. For a time she remembered and kept her promise to not open the box but eventually succumbed to the temptation and decided to have a peek. The lid flew open as soon as she raised it and a swarm of imprisoned evils flew up and out into the world inflicting pain, greed, envy and manner of suffering on all they found.

Pandora and her husband Epimetheus were also the victims of all these ills, knew they were responsible for the suffering and were grieving their part in it while sitting near the box. In the midst of their lamenting, they heard a small voice crying out from the box, "Open, open, and I will heal your wounds! Please let me out!" and while at first they were afraid to open it and possibly release even more troubles, they eventually decided to see who the plaintive voice came from.

They fearfully opened the box and found a small bright-winged beautiful creature. It was well for Pandora that she opened the box a second thim, for the gods, with a sudden impulse of compassion, had concealed among the evil spirits one kindly creature, Hope, whose mission was to heal the wounds inflicted by her fellow prisoners"


The Delicate Genius

IMF's four steps to damnation -

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2001/apr/29/business.mbas

enloe creek

world government empire

banksters money machine

citizens of earth

somebody is going down or all are


insanelysane

Can't someone just print a $1 trillion Euro bill and hand it to the Greek government to pay everything off and start anew.

NotApplicable

I think you mean SDR.

Long story short, the choices left are but two. Endure the pain of a global collapse, or enslave the planet with all of this unpayable debt rolled up into the next global monetary system.

With a few wars along the way to grease the skids.

Cyring "Uncle!" yet?

Lea

The IMF is backtracking because the new Chinese-led bank has opened. It is not the only option anymore.

The Chinese could step in any minute, and that would mean the end for the IMF's plundering tactics - worldwide. So, letting go of some of its demented demands on Greece is only cautious.

mefobills

Germany will take a haircut, especially with a Greek no vote on Sunday.

Germany will have to figure out how to stabilize some of its banks that will go under.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/economic-historian-germany-w...

"Germany is king when it comes to debt. Calculated based on the amount of losses compared to economic performance, Germany was the biggest debt transgressor of the 20th century."

How many haircuts?

"That depends on how you do the math. During the past century alone, though, at least three times. After the first default during the 1930s, the US gave Germany a "haircut" in 1953, reducing its debt problem to practically nothing. Germany has been in a very good position ever since, even as other Europeans were forced to endure the burdens of World War II and the consequences of the German occupation. Germany even had a period of non-payment in 1990."

More:

Ritschl: That's what it looks like, but we were also extremely reckless -- and our export industry has thrived on orders. The anti-Greek sentiment that is widespread in many German media outlets is highly dangerous. And we are sitting in a glass house: Germany's resurgence has only been possible through waiving extensive debt payments and stopping reparations to its World War II victims.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: You're saying that Germany should back down?

Ritschl: In the 20th century, Germany started two world wars, the second of which was conducted as a war of annihilation and extermination, and subsequently its enemies waived its reparations payments completely or to a considerable extent. No one in Greece has forgotten that Germany owes its economic prosperity to the grace of other nations.

tom a taxpayer

The Greek referendum is a revolutionary action. It will spread like wildfire across Europe and around the world whereever debt slaves yearn to be free. Over the coming days and weeks it will drag the IMF, ECB and other world-class bankstas to their days of reckoning.

Hopefully, the Greek government will follow the referendum with the arrest and trial of Goldman Sachs and other international bankstas. Justice cries out for a mass trial in the style of the Maxiprocesso (Maxi Trials) of the Mafia in Sicily during the 1980s that resulted in hundreds of defendants convicted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nPEgV1oqX0

steelrules

Wouldn't it just be easier to drone all the Rothschilds and their central banks out of existence, could be done in 24 hours.

Never_Put_Down

Hardly, they own the drones and the drone operators.

Jack Burton

I don't claim any great knowledge of high finance, though I have some basic understanding, but, many here on ZH and ZH in general has been miles ahead of all the Media Mouthpieces, all the IMF spokesmen, all the finance ministers of Europe combined.

" "these new financing needs render the debt dynamics unsustainable."

Who in the fuck did not know 3 years ago that the above was true?

And, Greece is the little boy with his finger in the dike. If the default hole begins to leak, the supporting structures will be eaten away very fast, and the leak will become a flood. Allowing haircuts and reducing austerity in one place will call forth the floods of demands for similar treatment.

An Estonian finance minster summed it up. "We have not had years of austerity, cuts in wages, health, retirements, education for years, ONLY in order for Greece to keep their benefits! Play this same thought pattern out across the big problem children SPAIN, ITALY and IRELAND. Spain for example is totally too big to be bailed out, and is too big to fail, Should IT fail, the EU project melts away.

Over in Russia, a nation with NATO massing on it's borders, claiming to be defending against a Russian invasion threat. A Russia under strict sanctions in finance, banking, energy and import export trade. Russia is doing just what they should do. Take all the threats, the lies, the propaganda and accusations from the West, stay mostly silent, stay behind their protected borders and wait. As the EU mounts attack after attack, threat after threat, sanction after sanction, for no good reaon other than Washington wants it, Russia is waiting. They may look to be outnumbered and out gunned by the military and financial powers under Washington's direct control. But holding the line and waiting is their best bet. They have surpluses of well over 300 billion, minimal debts, a fast modernizing military, tens of billions in new gold holdings added to the already large supply. They have energy independence totally. Sanctions have allowed Russian domestic agriculture and manufacturing to instantly be competitive again, with imports being shut down.

The EU and Washington are right now at the very peak of their power to bully and threaten. They look invincible! But a tiny nation like Greece, shows just how rotten the foundations are. Washington, the giant power that also seems totally invincible, is really more rotten than Greece, if you look at the scale of debts and obligations. To top it all off, Washington has declared open war on China, the world's largest economy, and richest nation in terms of Real Money. \

The rot has set in, how fast it spreads is not something I can know, but I do know it will spread!

[Jul 02, 2015] Greek Referendum Euro Crisis Explodes into Dramatic Climax

"...Make no mistake: Sunday's referendum will mark a defining moment in Greece's modern history and a decisive turn for Europe's neoliberal project."
Those who accuse the Greeks of "recklessness" are mistaken: the creditors' utter contempt for democracy left them with no other choice but a rupture.

The announcement struck like a bombshell.

Tsipras' spectacular decision late on Friday to fly back to Athens and put the Eurogroup's final bailout offer to a referendum - with the government advising voters to reject the deal - has stunned friends and foes alike.

Now, with depositors lining up at ATMs to withdraw cash, the Eurogroup refusing to extend the current bailout program, the ECB capping its emergency liquidity assistance for Greek banks, and Greece set to miss a €1.5 billion IMF payment on Tuesday, the long-awaited endgame is finally upon us. After five long and exhausting years, the euro crisis has exploded into its dramatic climax.

Those who now lambast the Greek government for its supposed "recklessness" in calling the referendum are profoundly mistaken. Yes, as I have argued many times before, Tsipras' and Varoufakis' belief that they could somehow extract an "honorable compromise" from the creditors was always extremely naive. But in the end it was the creditors' utter contempt for democracy that pushed Tsipras with his back against the wall, forcing him to sign up to an agreement that they knew would split his ruling party and government.

Deliberately tabling one outrageous proposal after another, the creditors' intention was clear from the very start: they were never even remotely interested in any positive "deal"; the only thing they would settle for was Syriza's complete and total surrender - ideally followed by technocratic regime change inside Greece. Paul Krugman was therefore entirely right when he referred to the creditors' ultimatum as "an act of monstrous folly."

Backed into a corner by the virulent moves of the Eurogroup and the IMF, Tsipras responded in the only sensible way: he rejected the absurd proposal that the creditors had put on the table, took the decision to his people, and advised them to vote against the creditors' disastrous ultimatum. What is surprising is not that he made this move per se - but that it took him so long to do it.

For five months, the creditors suffocated Greece, depriving it of all liquidity in a brazen attempt to force Tsipras to sign up to humiliating concessions that would have condemned the Greeks to years - if not decades - of extreme austerity. For five months, they doubled down on their cynicism and steadfastly refused to make even the most minimal concessions. For five months, they publicly belittled and degraded the democratically-elected representatives of millions of Greeks who had already suffered untold hardship.

If Tsipras had signed up to this unacceptable deal, it would not only have meant political suicide for him and his party; it would also have spelt an unmitigated disaster for the Greek people - not to mention the lasting damage it would have inflicted upon the political prospects of the European Left more generally. If there's anything reckless about Tsipras' approach, it's that he even let the creditors get this far to begin with.

It was high time for the Big No - the resounding OXI!

For five years, European leaders and Greek elites sacrificed this beautiful country and its exceptional people at the altar of the financial markets to save a handful of reckless speculators inside the European banks and to convince international investors that the monetary union was irreversible. For five years, they punished the Greeks for a deep-rooted structural crisis they had no part in creating. For five years, they kicked the can down the road, hoping that the fundamental contradictions of financialized capitalism and the European monetary union would somehow magically disappear if only the inevitable moment of reckoning could be indefinitely pushed into the future.

This approach has now been exposed as a catastrophic but utterly predictable failure. Doubling down on their extreme positions with the malicious intent of forcing the Greeks into a self-defeating deal or disorderly exit, it was the creditors themselves who brought the Eurozone to the brink. Of course they will boast that Greece has long since been "ring-fenced" and that the fallout of a Greek default can now be contained, but investors will draw their own conclusions when they see a full-fledged member of the Eurozone descending into chaos. It is no surprise that the euro is already tanking in the Asian markets.

The gravest irony is that, all this time, there was a very straightforward and socially acceptable way out of the deadlock. The sensible solution would have been to write off a significant chunk of Greece's debt. But, as even the IMF has since officially admitted, this option was politically unpalatable to Greece's "partners" from the very start. In the early years, the Europeans feared that a debt write-down would lead to the collapse of some of their biggest private banks. Now that Greece's debt has effectively been socialized, these same European leaders fear an electoral backlash from their Euroskeptical taxpayers, who now stand to bear the brunt of the impending Greek default.

In other words, it was the very intransigence of the creditors, the utter unwillingness to tell their own voters the truth about the Greek bailout and their stubborn refusal to even contemplate a sustainable and socially just resolution of the crisis, that led us to this dramatic apotheosis.

Greece and Europe now find themselves on the eve of a rancorous rupture. At the start of a week that will undoubtedly go down in history as a make-it-or-break-it moment for Europe's ill-fated neoliberal project, the skies over Greece are already darkening. A full-fledged bank run over the weekend forced the government to keep the banks closed on Monday and to impose an ATM withdrawal limit of 60 euros per day. The knock-on effects on the economy and society will make it very difficult for the Greeks to vote in peace.

In this respect, the creditors' intentions are once again crystal clear: shocked and outraged by Tsipras' unexpected move, they will do everything within their power to obstruct the democratic process and influence the outcome of the vote. Their goal won't even be to keep Greece inside the Eurozone anymore; their number one priority right now is simply to prevent Syriza from being able to publicly claim a victory - for that would risk emboldening other anti-austerity forces across the continent, most significantly Podemos in Spain. They would rather see Greece go down in flames than cut Syriza some slack.

This is why the Eurogroup refused to extend Greece's current bailout program, not even for a few days: they knew the ECB would not be able to maintain its emergency support of the Greek banks without such a program, and they knew that without this support the Greek banks would not be able to open on Monday. This, in turn, would force the Greeks to vote under conditions of extreme financial uncertainty, emboldening the terror-campaign of the neoliberal opposition and possibly skewing the vote in favor of a fear-induced yes.

Meanwhile, the unelected wing of the Troika technocracy has taken the trolling to a whole new level. IMF chief Christine Lagarde argued that, since the creditor offer expires on Tuesday, Tsipras is technically asking his people to vote on a deal that no longer exists anyway. European Commission chief Jean-Claude Juncker added on to this by releasing a new proposal that was supposedly in the works before the Greeks "unilaterally" walked out of the negotiations. Both moves are clear attempts to destabilize popular expectations ahead of the vote and confuse the electorate about the clarity, legality and historic significance of the choice that now lies ahead of them.

Make no mistake: Sunday's referendum will mark a defining moment in Greece's modern history and a decisive turn for Europe's neoliberal project. The choice is very clear. Five years after the people of Greece first rose up against the anti-democratic imposition of the Troika's austerity measures, they have finally been given the chance to decide upon their own destiny: either they will vote yes to a lifetime of austerity within the eurozone, or they will roar back at the creditors' inhumane demands with a proud and resounding "NO!" - thereby opening the way for a thousand yeses to a new, democratic and socially just Europe, freed from the shackles of debt servitude, the noose of a deflationary single currency, and the tyranny of an unaccountable financial technocracy.

The stakes have never been higher.

[Jul 01, 2015]Syriza can't just cave in. Europe's elites want regime change in Greece

"...But it has nothing to do with morality and everything to do with a dysfunctional currency union, a destructive neoliberal economic model enforced by treaty and an austerity regime maintained to ensure a return to profitability on corporate terms."
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"...No, I think Berlin and Brussels are behaving abominably, not so much in terms of what is decided, but, as Pope Francis implied (there you are) without any consideration for the dignity of the Greek people. Shaming, blaming, demonizing, threatening, giving the cold shoulder, to a small marginal country who is supposedly part of your union."
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"...I am against Syriza mate, but many commentors ignore the socioeconomic impact on the Greek population and simplify or generalize things. Syriza is in power the past 3 or 5 months. The previous gov were in power since 1974. Two parties, two families. Nepotism in politics is strong. "
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"...Seamus is correct in his analysis. What is happening in Greece is akin to Democratic asphyxiation by financial means. And those of us that believe in basic Democracy should be standing with Syriza and the Greek people at this time. Neo-liberal dogma was always ugly. It's practical application is even uglier. This will have serious implications for the Left in Europe as a whole but more imminently for the British referendum vote due pretty soon."
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"...After all, based on a leak of series of emails , Greek government was strictly following the instructions of Troika during the past 5 years. "
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"...we wouldn't be having this conversation if the private companies that lent money to Greece had been made to eat their own losses.

But then neoliberalism isn't capitalism, not in the traditional sense. As has been proven beyond reasonable doubt, neoliberals magically turn into socialists at the drop of a hat. Gains privatised, losses socialised. In other words, they use the power of the state to collect economic rents. To call this sure thing investing or risk-taking is pure propaganda.
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"...I agree the EU élites are out to topple Syriza. The invective against Tsipras and ruthless shut down of bank support to strike fear in the population show that clearly enough. Syriza is a mortal threat to the noe-liberal order. I don't agree that Syriza is innocent in this drama, though. Its crisis management has been abysmal. They know, or should, what is coming. when they threaten the EU élites."
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"...This is a clash of ideologies. It's obvious if you listen to the spokepersons of Syriza and the Left compared with the clapped out so-called politicians of ND and the Right. The Greeks and the Spanish are the only countries where there's a popular moblisation against the robber barons who created the crisis and are continuing to profit from the consequences. The left have been emasculated throughout Europe "
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"...My fear is that Syriza has lost the momentum, they have been unable to make the subject what it should be, Neoliberal ideological economics. The fear mongering and the bank run neatly engineered by Draghi and now the threat of shutting down the entire banking system - I'd be scared too. That's hardball politics - but the main thing is people obey authority and the EU has authority as far as the Greek people are concerned and they will back them into their very own graves."
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"...Don't forget they are beyond the Great Depression now in terms of the economic catastrophe. Population has been sliding since 2010."
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"...Greeks elected Syriza out of desperation. The rest is just the usual anti-left cliches, not that there's anything wrong with anti-left, however your understanding of the situation would be greatly enhanced if you spent a minute Googling origins of this crisis. Perhaps EU/EZ is a bit complex for you."
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"...The reason why the Troika objected to increases in certain taxes as part of Greece's economic plans is twofold: (i) due to this historical lack of tax collection, increased revenue projections based on increased taxes would be almost entirely illusory, and (ii) they targeted weak industries that Greece needs to prosper and grow, and risked making Greece's economic situation worse. Many of the larger and stronger of these multinational industries also had the capability of simply leaving Greece. Tsipras refused to discuss sources of real and easy tax revenue, like tourism on the Greek islands. "
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"...This is another round of banking bailouts using public money, cynically misnamed as bailing out Greece. The troika need to launder the money through Greece to give to the banks. Greece get to keep a very small percent for their troubles and taking more blame than they should."
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"..."Europe is not under obligation to Greece" is nonsense. If Greece is a member state then EU is indeed under obligation to support it, and it should do this effectively. It should not carry out a policy that undermines its economy. Even if EU officials do not do this out of principles, they should to do it to avoid loosing the support of the EU project."
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"...The preliminary report of the Greek debt investigation (yes, there is one) will be out shortly. From what I've read, much of the debt went to Greek banks and their foreign partners that indulged in an aggressive loaning orgy and created a debt bubble inside the Greek economy. The banks were recapitalised during the bailout with €80bn of state money that ended up as sovereign debt."
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"...I had thought that Angie, Wolfie and Christine were perhaps just inept, but now I'm afraid they may be executing a well laid plan. Perhaps they want to form a new entity: The People's Neo-liberal Puppy Republic Of Greece. The steps: Blame all others; extort impossible amounts of invented "debts";people who oppose you are labeled as traitors; prioritize German and French banks so they can be saved from their own shitstorm and nationalize (i.e. charge the ordinary punter) all the fantasy cash that no-one's ever seen; call a national emergency and impose martial law. Next is destroy all opposition and hand everything over to private industry. A week ago, this would be very far-fetched, but now??"

Jul 01, 2015 | The Guardian

It's now clear that Germany and Europe's powers that be don't just want the Greek government to bend the knee. They want regime change. Not by military force, of course – this operation is being directed from Berlin and Brussels, rather than Washington.

But that the German chancellor Angela Merkel and the troika of Greece's European and International Monetary Fund creditors are out to remove the elected government in Athens now seems beyond serious doubt. . Everything they have done in recent weeks in relation to the leftist Syriza administraton, elected to turn the tide of austerity, appears designed to divide or discredit Alexis Tsipras's government.

They were at it again today, when Tsipras offered what looked like almost complete acceptance of the austerity package he had called a referendum on this Sunday. There could be no talks, Merkel responded, until the ballot had taken place.

There's no suggestion of genuine compromise. The aim is apparently to humiliate Tsipras and his government in preparation for its early replacement with a more pliable administration. We know from the IMF documents prepared for last week's "final proposals" and reported in the Guardian that the creditors were fully aware they meant unsustainable levels of debt and self-defeating austerity for Greece until at least 2030, even on the most fancifully optimistic scenario.

That's because, just as the bailouts went to the banks not the country, and troika-imposed austerity has brought penury and a debt explosion, these demands are really about power, not money. If they are successful in forcing Tsipras out of office, a slightly less destructive package could then be offered to a more house-trained Greek leader who replaced him.

Hence the European Central Bank's decision to switch off emergency funding of Greece's banks after Tsipras called the referendum on an austerity scheme he had described as blackmail. That was what triggered the bank closures and capital controls, which have taken Greece's crisis to a new level this week as it became the first developed country to default on an IMF loan.

The EU authorities have a deep aversion to referendums, and countries are routinely persuaded to hold them again if they give the wrong answer. The vote planned in Greece is no exception. A barrage of threats and scaremongering was unleashed as soon as it was called.

One European leader after another warned Greeks to ignore their government and vote yes – or be forced out of the eurozone, with dire consequences. Already the class nature of the divide between the the wealthier yes and more working-class no camps is stark. The troika's hope seems to be that if Tsipras is defeated by fear of chaos, Syriza will split or be forced from office in short order. The euro elite insists it is representing the interests of Portuguese or Irish taxpayers who have to pick up the bill for bailing out the feckless Greeks – or will be enraged by any debt forgiveness when they have been forced to swallow similar medicine. The reality is the other way round.

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Tsipras and Syriza's determination to stay in the eurozone come what may has seriously weakened Greece's hand. The economic dislocation of jumping off the euro train would doubtless be severe in the short term, though the costs of permanent austerity would almost certainly be greater thereafter.

But Syriza insiders say there is little preparation for what anyway may be forced on them. The relentless pressure of the EU bureaucracy demands a strong and clear-headed response. Right now, for example, that means the Athens government immediately taking control of its banks, currently shutting down all transactions.

The worst outcome of this crisis would be for Syriza to implement the austerity it was elected to end. A yes vote in next weekend's referendum, , if it goes ahead, would probably lead to the government's fall, and almost certainly new elections.

Papistpal rredge 1 Jul 2015 21:21

"Implicit in your argument"

Always a ploy of course, when you find implicit, tacit, implied arguments in someone else's thought, and then argue with it. No, I am not saying anything about the money.
No, I think Berlin and Brussels are behaving abominably, not so much in terms of what is decided, but, as Pope Francis implied (there you are) without any consideration for the dignity of the Greek people. Shaming, blaming, demonizing, threatening, giving the cold shoulder, to a small marginal country who is supposedly part of your union. There is NO excuse for your behavior

Ritoras Tijger 1 Jul 2015 20:57

I am against Syriza mate, but many commentors ignore the socioeconomic impact on the Greek population and simplify or generalize things. Syriza is in power the past 3 or 5 months. The previous gov were in power since 1974. Two parties, two families. Nepotism in politics is strong.

As said, because none answers your question that doesn't mean no is the answer.

Be open minded and less emotional. Few of the questions you ask you can google them and share the findings with us. That will be more convincing!

peekaboo -> summicron 1 Jul 2015 20:54

The public in the 18 countries have not been consulted. Critical decisions affecting all other members need direct approval. In fact referendums have almost never been held for EU membership in candidate countries.

ineluctable2u -> tsimshatsui 1 Jul 2015 20:50

That's naive. Merkel is only making the Greek people suffer now in the hope that they will lose their will and vote yes. This is ruthless politics by the troika and Merkel in particular.

martyc73 -> Gearóid Ó Loingsigh 1 Jul 2015 20:49

The North is a diversion - it cant raise taxes and relies on subvention from the British State etc and you know this so don't be using that as an argument. The bank guarantee was also sold in a totally different way to what was rolled out subsequently. And you know this too. Hums and Haws???

Seamus is correct in his analysis. What is happening in Greece is akin to Democratic asphyxiation by financial means. And those of us that believe in basic Democracy should be standing with Syriza and the Greek people at this time. Neo-liberal dogma was always ugly. It's practical application is even uglier. This will have serious implications for the Left in Europe as a whole but more imminently for the British referendum vote due pretty soon.

Ritoras Tijger 1 Jul 2015 20:46

Bud, first of all you repeat you you you, it is very instructional, chill. Bravo to you as well for making so focussed comments. I mean it even though you put all the fault on the Greek gov.. Don't see you challenging yourself enough? Are the rest of stakeholders here perfect?

But, how do you know what Greece has done and what not?

Why the Troika have not reacted the same and with the same persistence as it does now during the last 5 years to correct the direction of travel? You're 100% right about the Lagarde list. The ministers who did not do nothing are in trials now.. However, I was in fact hoping that the Troika could play a more active role in this and exercise influence to clear corruption. After all, based on a leak of series of emails , Greek government was strictly following the instructions of Troika during the past 5 years.

About the military expenses. I like defense and the military in fact. But! In a recession, the Troika should have first said, save money there to invest in sectors like healthcare, education etc. After all, Greece is very well equipped and supposedly is backed up by NATO allies.

calsation miceonparade 1 Jul 2015 20:43

I must say I enjoyed your takedown of oldships immensely. It seems he doesn't realise we wouldn't be having this conversation if the private companies that lent money to Greece had been made to eat their own losses.

But then neoliberalism isn't capitalism, not in the traditional sense. As has been proven beyond reasonable doubt, neoliberals magically turn into socialists at the drop of a hat. Gains privatised, losses socialised. In other words, they use the power of the state to collect economic rents. To call this sure thing investing or risk-taking is pure propaganda.

Papistpal 1 Jul 2015 20:40

Never thought I'd agree with you, but I have to say, from this American capitalist perspective, Berlin and Brussels have no sense of fair play and no respect for democracy. How can the EU call itself a democracy if Germany has a veto because it has the big bucks. The US, I admit, would like to do something similar, but we are constrained by maintaining at least some vestige of democratic practice and sensibility. What is with the moralism, anyway. "Greece is wrong, so we get to do whatever we want to them." Moralistic platitudes are not policy statements. Damn Merkel to hell


TheNerveInstitute 1 Jul 2015 20:36

Greeks must not cave in. This is interesting !

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=14132

lawrenceab 1 Jul 2015 20:29

I agree the EU élites are out to topple Syriza. The invective against Tsipras and ruthless shut down of bank support to strike fear in the population show that clearly enough. Syriza is a mortal threat to the noe-liberal order.

I don't agree that Syriza is innocent in this drama, though. Its crisis management has been abysmal. They know, or should, what is coming. when they threaten the EU élites. Why for instance did they not impose capital controls the very first weekend after coming to power?? The the country could have put up its defenses at a time of its own choosing, husbanded its resources while negotiating - paid the IMF, keep banks open during this crucial referendum week. You don't negotiate with 17 adversaries who all want to crush you, with one hand tied behind your back and € billions flowing out weekly. In three months you are on the floor.


castalla 1 Jul 2015 20:17

This is a clash of ideologies. It's obvious if you listen to the spokepersons of Syriza and the Left compared with the clapped out so-called politicians of ND and the Right. The Greeks and the Spanish are the only countries where there's a popular moblisation against the robber barons who created the crisis and are continuing to profit from the consequences. The left have been emasculated throughout Europe ... let's hope the OXI vote wins the day and Syriza gets a mandate to argue for a restructure of the debt programme.

someoneionceknew -> FactPatrol 1 Jul 2015 20:10

The – European Social Model – is built on the fundamental principles built into Treaty establishing the European Community (TEC):

… promotion of employment, improved living and working conditions … proper social protection, dialogue between management and labour, the development of human resources with a view to lasting high employment and the combating of exclusion.

It combines with the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights to define an "underlying principle is one of solidarity and cohesion: that economic growth must serve to boost overall social wellbeing, and not take place at the expense of any section of society".

The ILO book says that while "there is no official definition of the European Social Model" there is a long history of practice and dialogue that allows one to map out the main characteristics.

The ILO define "six main pillars":

1. "Increased Minimum Rights on Working Conditions".

2. "Universal and Sustainable Social Protection Systems".

3. "Inclusive Labour Markets".

4. "Strong and Well-Functioning Social Dialogue".

5. "Public Services and Services of General Interest".

6. "Social Inclusion and Social Cohesion".

miceonparade -> Exodus20 1 Jul 2015 20:08

Remember what Greece were like before joining the euro, in the 1990's?

Greece in the 1990s did not have 30% unemployment or 60% youth unemployment or a depression. Things can only begin to get better after exiting the euro and reclaiming fiscal sovereignty which can be used to put Greek people back to work.

someoneionceknew FactPatrol 1 Jul 2015 20:07

The European Social Model in Crisis: Is Europe losing its soul?

PDF 52 page precis.

while the European Social Model may have been called into question here and there before the crisis, the list of changes in most elements and pillars of the European Social Model since the crisis is formidable. While there are a few exceptions … all other trends show a general withdrawal of the state from social policy, first through massive cuts in social expenditure and reduced funding of education, health care and other public services, and second through radical reforms in a number of areas, such as social dialogue, social protection, pensions, labour market and social cohesion in general …

the changes are particularly severe in those countries that implemented an austerity package under the direct influence of the Troika …


Hill0fBeans sjorsnotmine 1 Jul 2015 20:05

There are no poor Greeks in Greece any more...

You're a disgrace. Instead of trolling, read some facts every now and then.

- like the 4 out of 10 Greek children living beneath the poverty line

- or 44.8% of pensioners living on less than 665 euros/month

- or the 27% unemployed

Go crawl back underneath your bridge. This is not a place for trolls.

camerashy 1 Jul 2015 19:56

The closet fascists are all out in force to get rid of a democratically elected government! Rule by corporations and banks is what you deserve and is what you are going to get in next 5 years ... so enjoy it.

deskandchair -> Danny Sheahan 1 Jul 2015 19:56

It can't go any other way, fiscal control means political control. The tragedy is that the EZ was formed in the first place.

Lafcadio1944 1 Jul 2015 19:52

My fear is that Syriza has lost the momentum, they have been unable to make the subject what it should be, Neoliberal ideological economics. The fear mongering and the bank run neatly engineered by Draghi and now the threat of shutting down the entire banking system - I'd be scared too. That's hardball politics - but the main thing is people obey authority and the EU has authority as far as the Greek people are concerned and they will back them into their very own graves.


xsyfer John Smith 1 Jul 2015 19:51

It has that already. Don't forget they are beyond the Great Depression now in terms of the economic catastrophe. Population has been sliding since 2010. There will be friends. I reckon UK, us and Sweden might do something bilateral after the mess to keep Greece away from Russia.

Might be too late then though


deskandchair Markdoug1 1 Jul 2015 19:51

You don't live in EZ or EU (although superficial thinking isn't exclusive to those outside EZ) however you're correct, Greeks elected Syriza out of desperation. The rest is just the usual anti-left cliches, not that there's anything wrong with anti-left, however your understanding of the situation would be greatly enhanced if you spent a minute Googling origins of this crisis. Perhaps EU/EZ is a bit complex for you.


Eleutheros 1 Jul 2015 19:46

But it has nothing to do with morality and everything to do with a dysfunctional currency union, a destructive neoliberal economic model enforced by treaty and an austerity regime maintained to ensure a return to profitability on corporate terms.

And that's the essence of the current situation, not just in the EU, but most "western" societies, including Australia, where I live; our present government follows the policies of Thatcher and Reagan and is trying to bring austerity to a rich and prosperous country.

Excellent article Seumas Milne, thank you.


Oscarinho 1 Jul 2015 19:43

Yes, there is a potential danger of a right-wing, if not neo-nazi, turn in Greece (and maybe, only maybe in other places, too). But just tell me why does the author doesn't mention that without the support of the right-wingers and neo-nazis called Anel and Golden Dawn Syriza would not have a majority in their own country??? Syriza does not represent a European leftist alternative (ask Renzi) but mere 2 million Greek voters supported by the far right that are taking their own society hostage playing the nationalistic card.

Yes, we need another haircut and, yes, this radical austerity policies needs to be changed. It's just not sustainable as we learned the hard way- But Syriza is looking for a system change by any means with any partners (Golden Dawn, Putin's Russia, and even Erdogan). No thanks.


Forthestate ID5590609 1 Jul 2015 19:40

you and others believe that Greeks are now somehow inherently entitled to this new and vastly improved standard of living...

Just more bollocks! How do you square "this new and vastly improved standard of living" with the reality since the crisis hit? Most analysts agree that the decline has seen Greece lose everything that it acquired during the years you refer to, and more, and I repeat, it is a decline probably unparalleled in peacetime. Where is the recognition of the catastrophe that has hit the Greek people in your ridiculous assertion that they are enjoying a new and vastly improved standard of living?


John Smith 1 Jul 2015 19:32

Looking at the headline photo of Merkel, the caption: Who will rid me of this troublesome Greek
popped into my head.

Then I read the article above.

Nothing would please the Euromeddlers more than a military coup, or a revolt by the coalition partners.

Because what this crisis is exposing is how after five fruitless years, the geniuses at the heart of the EU, couldn't grasp that among their many errors of judgement, it's no good loaning a bankrupt money to pay off debt, the Euro has actually worked against the economic expansion of the Eurozone both before and after the crash, and by failing to spot the dishonesty of previous Greek administrations or act, it has shown the world that their system is weak, cannot tackle a crisis, and despite years of rhetoric will have to do the one thing it said would never ever happen, expel a member state and write off tens of billions of wasted euros.

In my earlier analysis I have already explained why the Euro was a currency launched half cocked, and that without taking into account the needs of individual nations, it is doomed in the long term, to fall to pieces.

I fear that whatever happens now, Greece is going to find itself with few friends, and at least five years of pain and emigration of its youth.

ID5590609 Forthestate 1 Jul 2015 19:26

The level of Greek tax collection from all sectors and classes in Greek society is abysmal. Tspiras and Varoufakis do not deny this is a problem, and other than pride or foolishness, I question why you do. Some economists suggests that as much as 39% of the Greek economy is effectively underground. The other purported statistics are simply red herrings to confuse this simple fact (and also avoid dealing with the rampant other corruption and incompetence inherent in the Greek economy).

The reason why the Troika objected to increases in certain taxes as part of Greece's economic plans is twofold: (i) due to this historical lack of tax collection, increased revenue projections based on increased taxes would be almost entirely illusory, and (ii) they targeted weak industries that Greece needs to prosper and grow, and risked making Greece's economic situation worse. Many of the larger and stronger of these multinational industries also had the capability of simply leaving Greece. Tsipras refused to discuss sources of real and easy tax revenue, like tourism on the Greek islands.

The fact that Greece's economy has contracted over 25% is also not particularly relevant. The larger GDP since joining the Euro represented a tremendously bloated bubble based on irresponsible public and private debt. The current GPD still has ample room to decrease before it accurately reflects the true size, scope and productivity of the Greek economy (and even reflects Greece's pre-Euro GDP). Also noteworthy is the fact that Greek incomes nearly tripled since it joined the Euro Apparently, you and others believe that Greeks are now somehow inherently entitled to this new and vastly improved standard of living (more impressive than some other Eurozone members who are poorer and helped fund Greece's bailout) despite the fact that it was entirely unearned and based on fraud and the largesse of the taxpayers of other nations.


Exodus20 Tijger 1 Jul 2015 19:26

This is another round of banking bailouts using public money, cynically misnamed as bailing out Greece. The troika need to launder the money through Greece to give to the banks. Greece get to keep a very small percent for their troubles and taking more blame than they should.


JordiLlull neilmack 1 Jul 2015 19:24

Who are "Most people"? I dont think there are polls, but few people in Europe believe that the fault lies exclusively on a government who has been there for 6 months, and is trying to prevent the policies that have led to a 25% loss of GDP. Particularly since the troika has made it damn clear that it does not plan to accept ANY plan. Sure, some have bought Daily Mirror arguments that the Greeks spent the bailouts on Ouzo, but informed people know that the vast majority was used to pay back interests, and that Greek retirement pensions are around 300 euro/month. I would rather argue that "most people" in Europe who have traditionally supported EU are starting to raise questions about what EU's role in this crisis.

"Europe is not under obligation to Greece" is nonsense. If Greece is a member state then EU is indeed under obligation to support it, and it should do this effectively. It should not carry out a policy that undermines its economy. Even if EU officials do not do this out of principles, they should to do it to avoid loosing the support of the EU project.

deskandchair truecomrade 1 Jul 2015 19:22

Fiscal control = political control, it can be no other way.


FourtyTwo sjorsnotmine 1 Jul 2015 19:21

More than 30% of the population are officially below the poverty line.

http://www.enetenglish.gr/?i=news.en.article&id=2040


FourtyTwo Exodus20 1 Jul 2015 19:17

The preliminary report of the Greek debt investigation (yes, there is one) will be out shortly. From what I've read, much of the debt went to Greek banks and their foreign partners that indulged in an aggressive loaning orgy and created a debt bubble inside the Greek economy. The banks were recapitalised during the bailout with €80bn of state money that ended up as sovereign debt.

MTSK87 privateindustry44 1 Jul 2015 19:13

You are an ignorant piece of work aren't you Sir? Look at the facts before spreading lies. The Greeks work (the ones still in employment that is) work more hours than any other EU citizen ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17155304 ), the rich and powerful did not pay taxes no, but your average 20-30 something year old with a wage of 400 euros a month that has to go back to living with his/her parents can barely afford coffee never mind pay taxes. And free money? Please the "creditors" have NEVER given anyone "free" money. Germany never gave away anything for free (see treaties imposed on Greece to buy old German weapons). Greece was manipulated and suffered for that "free money".

emordnilap Mark Riggle 1 Jul 2015 19:10

I had thought that Angie, Wolfie and Christine were perhaps just inept, but now I'm afraid they may be executing a well laid plan. Perhaps they want to form a new entity: The People's Neo-liberal Puppy Republic Of Greece. The steps: Blame all others; extort impossible amounts of invented "debts";people who oppose you are labeled as traitors; prioritize German and French banks so they can be saved from their own shitstorm and nationalize (i.e. charge the ordinary punter) all the fantasy cash that no-one's ever seen; call a national emergency and impose martial law. Next is destroy all opposition and hand everything over to private industry. A week ago, this would be very far-fetched, but now??

[Jul 01, 2015] Path to Grexit Tragedy Paved by Political Incompetence

"...I think the Germans think that if things get bad enough in Greece, they'll kick out Tsipras and elect a government more willing to deal."
Jul 01, 2015 | Economist's View

Ellis said...

How many austerity plans do the Greek people have to suffer through? How much unemployment? Half the young population? Is the plan to to cut living standards in half?

And for what? To repay a debt that the Greek people had nothing do with! To reimburse usurious interest rates that cut the economy in a trap by the banks!

What a bunch of predators!

djb said in reply to Ellis...

i like how the advocates of austerity get all pissed off at the greek people as if they are just being obstinate

its like someone is trying to punch someone else in the face and they are getting all pissed off at the other guy because he keeps lifting his hands to block the punches

"come cut it out, just let me get good shots in at you , whats a matter with you"

And Greece will not go to the drachma - Greeks are now demanding paper Euro notes, and everyone outside Greece shipping into Greece is demanding paper Euro notes up front. Greeks are now not able to get food and medicine and fuel if they don't have Euro currency.

But let's be clear - the Greeks are to blame because they refuse to pay Greeks to work by buying only Greek production, or by trading Greek produced goods for imported goods.

Charles Carlstrom said...

Strikes at first glance don't seem rational. But they occur. Somestimes you swerve too late to avoid ruin.
But even now it appears Greece is starting to swerve.

DrDick said in reply to Charles Carlstrom...

Only if you are a member of management. For the workers they are the only logical recourse. When management will not provide safe/decent working conditions or pay you what you are worth, your best recourse is to withhold your labor.

anne said...

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/07/tsipras-accepts-most-terms-as-merkel-insists-on-referendum.html

July 1, 2015

Tsipras Accepts Most Creditor Terms as Merkel Insists on Referendum
By Yves Smith

Post-bailout expiration dynamics are likely to produce even worse outcomes for Greece than it had on offer from the creditors last month. It isn't just that the bailout funds of €7.2 billion are gone; it's that Greece has gone over an event horizon with stringent capital controls on and the European Central Bank ready and able to push the Greek banking system over the brink.

Greece's weak negotiating position is even weaker now. Even with a boost via a "no" vote on the referendum this Sunday, if the Greek government were to take a firmer stance, the creditors have the means and the incentives to keep crushing the economy via financial strangulation. The ruling coalition would not be able to hold on to power for more than a month or two as the economy continued to decay at an accelerating rate.

This is a ruthless, brutal power play in progress. Too many key actors are driven by their own narrow imperatives, most important of all, their domestic politics, as well as institutional rigidities. Those constraints work against taking a broader view and recognizing that the immolation of Greece will blow back and damage the European project and their own economies. But that would require much bolder, visionary thinking and action. The current crop of leaders has instead become habituated to incremental patches even though it is widely recognized that the architecture of the Eurozone is incomplete and wobbly. But no one is willing to move to a higher level of integration, in large measure because, particularly for Germany, that entails the loss of power and privilege at the national level.

Tsipras has recognized the weakness of his position too late. Yesterday, he tried making a desperate, last-minute deal to ward off an IMF default and secure the bailout funds before the program expired. But that clearly could never happen. It would require approval from all of the other 18 states in the Eurozone, including parliamentary approval in Germany. There was no way that would occur without German legislators having had Greece pass legislation before they voted on the release of funds; the Greek government had been told that that was a requirement and that needed to be done by the end of last weekend, June 28. *

Moreover, Germany wasn't even the most hardline country; Portugal, Spain, and Latvia are more hostile to cutting Greece any slack since their leaders had their citizens wear the austerity hairshirt. Given that it was obviously impossible at that late juncture for the other Eurogroup members to release the bailout funds before they went poof (at a bare minimum, there was no way the Germany MPs would approve it), the Tsipras appeal was a sign of utter desperation or delusion. And that in turn was an admission of tremendous weakness. Less than two days of capital controls and a bank holiday, and the ruling coalition was folding....

* Some pundits have depicted these deadlines as artificial. They weren't. There are many areas where the lenders' conduct can correctly be called unreasonable, but the hard deadlines were the result of past agreements and Eurozone procedures make them extremely difficult to change. This is one reason for the current creditor hostility. Greece consumed an enormous amount of time, running up against deadlines in what the other side saw as brinksmanship, which was a bizarre strategy given that Greece had a weak bargaining position. But the lenders felt compelled to accommodate Greece on that front as much as possible because the optics would be terrible if they didn't, particularly if the situation were to devolve into a Grexit. Compounding that problem, an lawyer with considerable knowledge of European practice pointed out by e-mail: "Europeans have a very hidebound and literal view about their EU rules and documents. Americans see a contract as a basis for negotiation."

Fred C. Dobbs said in reply to anne...

'Germany wasn't even the most hardline country; Portugal, Spain, and Latvia are more hostile to cutting Greece any slack since their leaders had their citizens wear the austerity hairshirt.'

Every country in the EU is angry with Greece.

In Greece's bailout talks, why it's 18 eurozone countries versus one http://on.wsj.com/1B7hOIy via @WSJ

... Some eurozone governments-Ireland, Portugal, Spain and the Baltic states-see themselves as having swallowed tough, politically costly but ultimately successful medicine and see no reason why Greece should be spared such rigor. Some, like Slovakia and the Baltic states, are poorer than Greece and pay their workers a lower minimum wage.

Another element is that further debt relief for Greece in whatever form means losses for governments-Athens owes other eurozone governments €195 billion ($212 billion)-and therefore for eurozone taxpayers. Germany is owed the largest sum-more than €60 billion-followed by France and Italy. But, as a percentage of their gross domestic product, other countries have more on the line than Germany. According to a Bloomberg Brief analysis, Greece's debts to Slovenia exceed 3% of Slovenian GDP, compared with 2.4% for Germany. ...

DeDude said in reply to Fred C. Dobbs...

"see no reason why Greece should be spared such rigor"

Yes their rulers have convinced them that the depression they threw Greece into is no big deal compared to what they themselves have suffered. As long as your corporate media hide the facts from people, you can convince them of all kinds of stuff.

"debt relief for Greece in whatever form means losses for governments"

Yes - and the real story there is that almost all the debt that was held by private banks and plutocrats back when this problem surfaced (and the debt should have been written down) is now owned by governments. But that is not the debate in the corporate media - instead it is about how terribly irresponsible the Greek government is (I guess you can fool the fools every time).

Nathanael said in reply to anne...

Yves has been mis-analyzing the Greek crisis from beginning to end. It's seriously lowered my opinion of her, and I think she's a complete idiot at this point.

Syriza has played this out exactly right, whether intentionally or not.

Given that the Troika will never, ever make a functional offer of major fiscal stransfers to Greece, and has as much as said so, default was inevitable.

Greece doesn't have to leave the euro, of course; Greece could unilaterally print euros (in violation of the Troika's insane deflationary policies) and wait for Germany to leave the euro. But it has the same effect.

GIVEN that default is inevitable, Syriza needs to be seen as:
(1) Trying as hard as it can to offer a deal
(2) Not knuckling under to the foreign powers

They've done this.

The referendum will either go "yes" or "no".

If it's "yes", then Syriza will resign. The new government of Greece will implement stupid policies forced by the Troika which will make their situation even WORSE; they will be blamed for it and will be thrown out. Syriza survives.

If it's "no", Syriza can exit and allow the economy to recover through devaluation.

The worst case scenario for Syriza was that the Troika accepted one of Syriza's overly generous offers of surrender; the economy continued to get worse; Syriza was blamed for this and thrown out of office; and Golden Dawn was elected.

Golden Dawn would, of course, immediately leave the euro and revive the economy. By pressganging, if necessary. :-P Having a glowing example of successful fascist economic management in Europe is the LAST thing the world needs. Thank goodness we seem to be avoiding that.

anne said in reply to anne...

Yves Smith has from my perspective been remarkably sensitive to the needs of the Greek people, thorough in reporting and analysis, and evidently, however sadly, all too correct in analysis compared with other Greek-sympathetic economists.

I am aware that the analysis of Smith has been criticized, but I am also aware and impressed that even leaders of liberal Podemos in Spain have shared in criticisms of Syriza.

paine said in reply to anne...

Just a side comment

The private greek banks can go to hell in a chariot for all I care

The greek government should worry about small dipositors only

paine said in reply to paine...

Eichenberry seems poorly briefed
On the negotiations here

Syriza has not acted incompetently

The troika is out for regime change

Reply Wednesday, July 01, 2015 at 02:24 PM

anne said in reply to paine...

Eichengreen seems poorly briefed
On the negotiations here

Syriza has not acted incompetently

The troika is out for regime change

[ Understood as to what the European leadership is after, but Syriza has puzzled me. ]

ilsm said in reply to paine...

ecb the usa of the europa.

troika deals like nukes.

widespread drone strikes without deflation.....

Chris Herbert said...

I have a problem with the exit=disaster scenario. As a monetary sovereign and with a central bank, both recapitalization and devaluation can be accomplished without the armageddon stuff. China's currency, for example, is not traded on Forex. China's central bank pegs its value by fixing what it will pay in its currency for another currency--and its currency is the only one that can be used in China. Once Greece goes back to the drachma and once they've got a central banker and a currency that is exclusive to domestic commerce (no Forex speculative trading) I think a good central banker can do a lot to help Greece maintain its balance. Even better, said recapitalization can be debt free. I'm not saying it won't cost anything, I'm just saying a monetary sovereign need not issue debt. Greece could put people to work doing infrastructure improvements, which build assets not liabilities. Without issuing debt. Greece has to learn how to collect taxes, obviously. And some reforms to government size is probably in order. But the 'end of days' scare is just that, a scare.

pgl said in reply to Chris Herbert...

I have a similar problem with the criticism is Grexit. Let's roll the tape back to 1967 when Prime Minister Harold Wilson decided to devalue the UK pound:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/19/newsid_3208000/3208396.stm

The UK did not suffer a financial crisis. It did manage to raise its net exports. So why can't the Greeks do the same?

am said in reply to pgl...

Fine, so why do the Greek people want to keep the euro as the official currency. Professor Krugman mentioned as a reason that people like to have a strong currency. They have had the drachma before and it was never very good and neither was the economy. I suggest the reason they want to keep the euro is it is strong in the sense of a stable currency and inflation is kept low in Greece as most of their imports are in euros. With a weak drachma they just get inflation on imports. With the euro they get steady prices. Add in to that payment of salaries and pensions in euros and then you have the advantage of earning in the currency of import purchases. Hohum, I'm probably wrong.

Chris Herbert said in reply to mulp...

Leaving the euro is not cost free. The dollar/drachma after Grexit is set by the central bank. Maybe Greece needs to become more efficient in their use of energy. Maybe Russia will sell oil to them at advantageous prices. A central bank can price the drachma advantageously between different suppliers. And don't forget the Greeks have a primary surplus right now and Grexit will eject its creditors, which is what I think Greece needs to to. The collapse scenarios are scare stories aimed at the Greeks. They should reject them and become independent. Only by being a monetary sovereign can Greece regain control of its economy. Right now they are in debtors prison.

Peter K. said in reply to am...

with the Euro they get humanitarian disaster. You know the economic stats, don't you?

am said in reply to Peter K....

Yes but why do they want to keep the euro, as is reported. They may suddenly change that in the referendum vote but it is reported that the euro is what they want.

foofootos said in reply to am...

easy, the depositors want to keep the euro because they don't have a lender of last resort. They will loose their deposits. That's all, that and scare tactics.

Paine said in reply to foofootos...

Yes that's a good part of it

But I'd like to know the value of euros held on deposit now
by the bottom three quarters of the population

Dan Kervick said in reply to am...

I don't think it's really entirely economic. They view the euro symbolically as a special European club membership, and don't want to be excluded from that club.

anne said in reply to Chris Herbert...

http://www.cepr.net/blogs/beat-the-press/who-uses-the-euro

July 1, 2015

Who Uses the Euro

The Washington Post ran a map * showing which countries in Europe use the euro and which use other currencies. The map is wrong. It shows Montenegro and Kosovo as using currencies other than the euro. This is not accurate, both countries do use the euro as their official currency although they are not have been accepted into the euro zone.

This is important in the context of the discussions on Greece because it illustrates the point that Greece cannot be forced off the euro. The European Commission and the European Central Bank can impose incredibly onerous conditions on Greece, but they cannot prevent the country from using the euro if it so chooses. The decision to leave the euro could only be made by the Greek government, not its creditors.

* https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/06/30/7-questions-about-greeces-huge-crisis-you-were-too-embarrassed-to-ask/

-- Dean Baker

John Cummings said in reply to Anonymous...

I never saw the "big" Greece problem before the Euro. The problem is the credit bubble starting in 73 creating a redic surge in consumer products that really took hold in the 80's/90's for the US and spread after that. It created the "look" of growing personal wealth via personal assets, but it was a bubble. Without this borrowing, the US economy probably would have struggled to grow much in the 80's as inflation fighters went on a rampage(which is what partially triggered the bubble to grow faster). They still maintain much of the growth from the bubble, only thanks to the market being scared to live without it. About the only thing it did, was force Russia away from the Stalin era Soviet fast, but now, they are stepping back while no one is watching. This is late capitalism.

The 80's and 90's would have been a lot more Escape from New York rather than Morning in America.

Nathanael said in reply to Anonymous...

Argentina's main problems were US-backed military coups and fascism. Argentina has quite impressively managed to get itself out from under both of those problems -- seemingly permanently.

foofootos said in reply to Anonymous...

Greece only got to comparable trouble after the Balkan wars (they defaulted), during the second world war, and then during civil war. Hardly a counter-example of "drachma troubles". Many a time I see Greece described as a serial defaulter. And then I read the History of the Greek state after it's independence from the Ottoman empire, and I see a war happening every 15-20 years or so. It seems this way of looking the Greek economy just goes with the Greek stereotype.

ilsm said in reply to foofootos...

Greece seems to spend about 150% of the NATO standard war spending for GDP. While the rest of the EU spends <75% of NATO standard.

Still only 3% compared to US' 5 to 7% according to how you count.

US spends more in VA than total of Russia, China and UK for their military.

Darrell in Phoenix said in reply to anne...

Pegging to the Euro will not counter trade imbalances, which is the real source of Greece's troubles.

They need a currency that floats. They need to decrease imports and increase exports (or more likely tourism) to eliminate their trade imbalance, which is the root cause of their debt.

pgl said in reply to Darrell in Phoenix...

Exactly!

foofootos said in reply to Darrell in Phoenix...

Greece currently has a balanced current account.

pgl said in reply to foofootos...

Link? Evidence? Even if this is true, it is mainly because of the imposed austerity and weak economy.

pgl said in reply to foofootos...

Darrell in Phoenix notes:

"Check the CIA world factbook for Greece.

Exports $35B. Imports $62B.

Trade imbalance of $27B compared to GDP of $290B = 9.5%!"

Your source?

am said in reply to anne...

In Simbabwe which has no currency of its own apart from small coins for change shop goods are priced in US dollars. So consumers can buy a basket of goods and then pay the value of the us dollars in us dollars, south African rand, Botswanan pula, euro or pound. These are all calculated up by a routine in the software system operating at the checkout. The tax which is vat is then sent up to the government. The government staff are paid in us dollars. But the government can't do stimulus because they can't print any of these currencies and they don't have one of their own. But for an interim solution it is workable.

Darrell in Phoenix said in reply to am...

And the dollars flow out of the country, and them when there are no dollars left, the economy collapses.

What you need is exactly what Ben Franklin argued for nearly 300 years ago. A government issued script currency that can be used to pay your taxes, and taxes high enough to create sufficient demand for the script to give it value. You then let the value of that government issued script currency to float on the international exchange markets to balance trade.

OH, and NEVER take on debt denominated in a foreign currency.

Nathanael said in reply to Darrell in Phoenix...

That's even a good rule for households, frankly. I never take debt denominated in a currency I can't print. :-)

Peter K. said in reply to Chris Herbert...

What the critics of the Greek fail to mention is that before the Troika began bringing the hammer down on Syriza and refused to negotiate with them, the Greeks were running a primary surplus.

Krugman pointed to this. That is, they were in the black without interest payments. With default and saying no to the bailout packages they are free of the interest payments and free of the onerous austerity measures which killed their economy.

What the critics of defaults say is that the defaulters will never be able to borrow again, but in the real world that hasn't been the case. They're just blowing smoke to bully the Greeks into more, fruitless austerity measures.

Dan Kervick said in reply to Peter K....

Agreed. There will always be attractive economic opportunities in Greece. Even if Greece defaults, there will be new investors willing to gamble that they wont default again.

pgl said...

"Instead, the creditors first calculated the size of the primary budget surpluses that Greece would have to run in order to hypothetically repay its debt. They then required the government to raise taxes and cut spending sufficiently to produce those surpluses.They ignored the fact that, in so doing, they consigned the country to an even deeper depression. By privileging their own balance sheets, they got the Greek government and the outcome they deserved."

This is precisely the problem Keynes warned about after WWI when the French demanded too much from the Germans. Of course the Germans never really did pay all of those cursed repatriations. Modern day European leaders have forgotten everything Keynes tried to teach us.

Darrell in Phoenix said in reply to pgl...

The austerity proponents are following the typical NeoCon mind-set of ignoring macroeconomic principles. "Keynesian hokum" is their preferred name for macroeconomics I believe.

DrDick said in reply to pgl...

This is exactly why Eichengreen's piece is pure garbage. Greece made lots of compromises, too many in fact. It was the creditors who refused to compromise. Every bank that had made irresponsible loans (and their were huge numbers of these) in Greece should have been forced to eat all their losses. After all, they had charged a risk premium to cover this already. Instead the Troika has decided that they should be fully indemnified and only the Greeks should suffer.

Peter K. said in reply to DrDick...

Yeah it's almost as if he criticizes the Greeks so he can criticize the Troika even more.

"Still, this incompetence pales in comparison with that of the European Commission, the ECB and the IMF."

Nonetheless I agree with you and disagree with Yves Smith and the like. Syriza and the Greeks did the best they could under impossible circumstances.

The Troika's plan didn't work and they refused to negotiate. The problem is Greeks want to stay in the Eurozone nonetheless. Sunday we'll find out if they still do no matter what.

pgl said in reply to DrDick...

This is why I prefer what Krugman wrote.

DrDick said in reply to pgl...

Likewise, and the same for Stiglitz, who is quite good on this.

Paine said in reply to pgl...

Running these nakedly in humane pub sec pruning exercises was the entire project

The debt
A pretext

Let that be a lesson to you long run fiscal space fuss budgets

Paine said in reply to Paine ...

A yes on Sunday simply means

Go back and get the best deal you can

Darrell in Phoenix said...

Exchange rates fluctuate to counter trade imbalances. The concept of a common currency, without controls to ensure no trade imbalances exist, is fundamentally flawed.

Money flows out of Greece. THE ONLY way money can get back into Greece is debt.

Trade imbalances cannot be persisted indefinitely. They result in the buildup of debt on the side with the deficit, and interest on the debt just widens the trade imbalance until the debt collapses.

Either Europe needs to take MAJOR steps to reverse existing trade imbalances, or the Euro is ultimately doomed to collapse under unrepayable debt.

RGC said in reply to Darrell in Phoenix...

"Either Europe needs to take MAJOR steps to reverse existing trade imbalances, or the Euro is ultimately doomed to collapse under unrepayable debt."

Yep. Varoufakis had a "Modest Proposal" to fix this:


4. THE MODEST PROPOSAL – Four crises, four policies

The Modest Proposal introduces no new EU institutions and violates no existing treaty. Instead, we propose that existing institutions be used in ways that remain within the letter of European legislation but allow for new functions and policies.

These institutions are:

· The European Central Bank – ECB

· The European Investment Bank – EIB

· The European Investment Fund – EIF

· The European Stability Mechanism – ESM

Here are the four policies that will re-deploy the above institutions in a manner that deals a decisive blow at, respectively, (1) the banking crisis, (2) the public debt crisis, (3) the under-investment and internal imbalances crisis, and (4) the social emergency crisis afflicting countries were absolute poverty is becoming a major issue...

http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/euro-crisis/modest-proposal/4-the-modest-proposal-four-crises-four-policies/

Chris Herbert said in reply to Darrell in Phoenix...

Darell writes "Money flows out of Greece. THE ONLY way money can get back into Greece is debt." Not so with a monetary sovereign. Euros are worth what the Greek central banks says they are worth, in drachmas. And only drachmas can be used in domestic commerce. You have squirreled away euros in Swiss bank accounts? Fine. Spend them anywhere but in Greece. If you have cheated on taxes, and for sure you have if you are Greek and rich, then face extradition for crimes in Greece. A monetary sovereign does not have to issue debt. It can recapitalize without debt. Look at China, which has used this banking system successfully for more than two decades! China understand the difference between liabilities and assets. It's not the debt that matters it's what you build that matters.

Darrell in Phoenix said in reply to Chris Herbert...

Chris, I was saying now... With Greece on the Euro and unable to print their own currency.

Yes, if they return to drachma, they can issue money. Until then, the only way they have been able to make their economy liquid in the face of large trade deficit is with debt.

Darrell in Phoenix said...

Check the CIA world factbook for Greece.

Exports $35B. Imports $62B.

Trade imbalance of $27B compared to GDP of $290B = 9.5%!


Of, Germany LOVED loaning Greece money so they could buy German products.... but the problem is that the debt can't possibly be repaid unless the trade imbalance is reversed. Germans have the money that Greece needs to repay the debt!


This echos the problems in the USA. The poor go into debt, creating money that they spend, which then flows through into the economy into the hands of billionaires. It is mathematically impossible for the poor to repay the debt unless the rich first spend the money! Oh, we say it is a legal, moral and social obligation to repay the debt, but suggest it is a moral and social obligation (and should be a legal obligation through a steeply progressive income tax code with deductions for most spending and capital investments) and OH HOW THE RICH SCREAM!

pgl said in reply to Darrell in Phoenix...

Good research - and analysis.

RueTheDay said...

I struggle to understand the path forward from the referendum. Putting aside the obvious question of "what exactly are they voting on", there are some serious logistical challenges.

It will likely take a day or two (or three) for the votes to be counted and the result certified. Assuming a best case scenario of a YES vote, Tsipras will likely resign, a snap election will be called, and a new government will have to form. How long will this take? What if Syriza is re-elected? What if there is no clear winner and we're back to having to form a coalition government, which may or may not happen?

Time is one thing this situation does not have. There are significant upcoming dates:
-July 10 €2B Rollover of treasury bills
-July 13 €452M IMF
-July 14 €73M in Japanese Samurai bonds due
-July 17 €1B Rollover of treasury bills
-July 20 €2.1B ECB
-July 20 €1.4B National central banks
-July 20 €25M European Investment Bank

I can't imagine any scenario under which the ECB can avoid having to yank the ELA if the July 20 payments are missed. But there are plenty of opportunities for an accident before then. It is assumed that the treasury bill rollovers will not be an issue since they are almost entirely held by Greek banks. Is it really safe to assume that? I might be thinking about a switch into safer, more liquid assets if I were a Greek banker. Or are they just going to avoid an auction altogether and deem the bills rolled over by fiat? The Samurai bonds are tiny, but they are still a commercial obligation, will require money the Greek government likely will not have, and a default will not be able to be brushed aside as easily as the missed IMF payment. Speaking of which, the IMF will be unable to assist in any way throughout this period, unless the arrears are cleared.

But wait, there's more. With the previous programme having expired, there will need to be a new MoU, a vote by the Greek Parliament, a vote by other European parliaments, including Germany. This is no longer something Finance Ministers can decide at a late night meeting.

Yet, the official position is no more talks until after the referendum.

Darrell in Phoenix said in reply to RueTheDay...

I think the Germans think that if things get bad enough in Greece, they'll kick out Tsipras and elect a government more willing to deal.

A vote of NO to the "Should we accept these terms?" means the Greek people support Tsipras's hardline demand for write downs. This puts the Germans in the position of having to accept his terms or face Greece leaving.

In short, the referendum may take the "well just wait until the Greeks replace you, then deal with the new guy" threat off the table.

Reply Wednesday, July 01, 2015 at 11:53 AM

RueTheDay said in reply to Darrell in Phoenix...

My point is that regardless of which way the vote goes on Sunday, by the time the results are in there simply may not be enough time left to avoid a default. Note well that default does not automatically imply Grexit, but it certainly ratchets things up a notch.

Reply Wednesday, July 01, 2015 at 11:59 AM

Peter K. said in reply to RueTheDay...

It's all up to the ECB and Troika. The money involved is small to them. It's all political. Looks like they want a regime change in Greece. Either that will happen or there will be Grexit.

Syriza caved on austerity but wanted more taxes and less spending cuts. The Troika said no. And the Troika spins it like the Greeks left the negotiation table. The Troika said no and then the ECB refused to back Greek banks as the "deadline" passed causing the bank holiday.

Darrell in Phoenix said in reply to RueTheDay...

Oh, I think default is inevitable. All the referendum does is clarify the options AFTER that.

If it fails, and the Greeks vote that they want to accept the Eurozone offer, then there will be a change in Greek government, a new round of austerity, and a delay of another year before the crisis explodes again.

If it passes with a resounding vote of "NO, we're not paying" then Eurozone will have to take major cuts in the debt or accept Greece leaving the Eurozone.

Nathanael said in reply to Darrell in Phoenix...

Darrell has the analysis correct.

The political key here is that SOME party is going to either leave the euro. (Or massively and permanently default and start printing euros. If they simply ignore all the ECB rules entirely, they may be able to stay in the euro. Same thing; in this case, Germany is the one who leaves the euro.)

  • If it's Syriza and they do it with public support, there are good things in the future.
  • If it's Golden Dawn and they do it with public support, there are bad things in the future.
  • If Syriza does it without public support, Golden Dawn benefits, and there are bad things in the future.
  • If Golden Dawn does it without public support, they'll just cancel elections to avoid losing power, so they'll again benefit and there will be bad things in the future.

In a sense, the democratic parties are handcuffed in their options relative to the fascist parties, so it's harder for Syriza to succeed than for Golden Dawn.

And it's really REALLY bad if Golden Dawn becomes a big economic success by defaulting or leaving the euro!!!

Paine said in reply to RueTheDay...

Default is a label easily applied and un applied
In arrears delinquent these are objective terms
Use em instead of the Halloween word default

[Jun 30, 2015] The Limits to Growth and Greece Systemic or Financial collapse

Jun 30, 2015 | resilience.org

The results of the "standard run" (or "base case") scenario of "The Limits to Growth" 1972 study. Could it be that the ongoing Greek collapse is a symptom of the more general collapse that the model generates for the first two decades of the 21st century?

So, we have arrived to an interesting point, to be intended in the Chinese sense of a curse. It is the point where the people of Greece are being asked to choose between starvation and slavery and this is supposed to be a triumph of democracy

As the tragedy unfolds, people take sides, aiming their impotent rage at this or that target; the Euro, the bureaucrats of Brussels, the Greek government, Mr. Tsipras, some international conspiracy, and even Mr. Putin, the usual bugaboo of everything.

But, could it be that all the financial circus that we are seeing dancing in and around Greece is just the effect of much deeper causes? The effect of something that gnaws at the very foundations not only of Greece, but of the whole Western World?

Let's take a step back, and take a look at the 1972 study titled "The Limits to Growth" (LTG). Look at the "base case" scenario, the one which used as input the data that seemed to be the most reliable at the time. Here it is, in the 2004 version of the study, with updated data in input.

[Jun 30, 2015] Greek failure to make IMF payment deals historic blow to eurozone

I can only imagine the intensity of "consultations" between Washington and Berlin now...
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"...The present circumstances in Greece were inherited by the current government from the previous right-wing government, which managed to bring them out by faithfully following the austerity prescriptions of the Troika. However both left and right-wing governments of the past, who created and hid the enormous debt, are also to blame."
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"...The documents show that the IMF's baseline estimate – the most likely outcome – is that Greece's debt would still be 118% of GDP in 2030, even if it signs up to the package of tax and spending reforms demanded. "
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"...This is nothing more than a large-scale payday loan scam. Greece will never get past the loan sharks and will constantly have to borrow just to pay off the interest. I'd rather default and eat beans for a year while starting fresh than eat beans for 20 years paying off old debt. You can call them lazy, you can call them thieves but - if they play their cards right - you can also call them "debt free"."
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"...The public debt of Greece existed BEFORE the recent election. The cruel conditions inflicted upon Greece by its "partners" existed BEFORE the recent election. The crisis existed BEFORE the recent election."
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"...Lending more billions to Greece so they can repay the interest on previous billions loand and those new loans repayed by cuts to pensions and more privatisation of public assets...blatant transference of cash from those who can't afford it to those who don't need it. Hopefully the Greek people give a resounding middle finger to the EU/IMF. And if I hear another muppet crack on about 'the Greeks ought to pay their taxes' I'll bloody lose my temper. D some reading for gawds sake. It really isn't that hard."
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"...I would have thought that a "senior german conservative politician" telling the Times that whatever happens Tsipras must be forced from office is an historic blow to the EU. Now, at least, people know what it is and who it is for."
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"...If they actually wanted payment, they'd be reasonable. But payment isn't their priority, these organisations want power over Greece."
Jun 30, 2015 | The Guardian

ShibbyUp -> peter nelson 30 Jun 2015 21:30

The Greek banks and former conservative governments, you mean.

You and plenty of other brainwashed idiots around here seem to think that individual, working class Greeks had something to do with this. Of course, as always, the banks and politicians who actually caused this got off scott free, with taxpayer money, to cause the next big financial crisis.

HaroldP -> Nottodaymate 30 Jun 2015 21:29

Banksters, what did you expect, honesty, morality, humanity, financial expertise? Bailouts from citizens, that's what you expected? The poor darlings can't even run a bank when they can print money. Incompetant scum. Regards, Harry.


Jazzfunk23 -> workingclass2 30 Jun 2015 21:28

In recent years most of this mess was presided over by liberal conservatives...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Democracy_(Greece)


PeregrineSlim 30 Jun 2015 21:25

Germania offers a regime of permanent debt servitude to pay for its failed banks:

The documents, drawn up by the so-called troika of lenders, support Greece's argument that it needs substantial debt relief for a lasting economic recovery.

The documents show that the IMF's baseline estimate – the most likely outcome – is that Greece's debt would still be 118% of GDP in 2030, even if it signs up to the package of tax and spending reforms demanded.

clematlee Danny Sheahan 30 Jun 2015 21:25

What you have in the USA is TENS of millions of people who don't have any US dollars while in Manhattan flats sell for millions.


AlamoSexual 30 Jun 2015 21:20

This is nothing more than a large-scale payday loan scam. Greece will never get past the loan sharks and will constantly have to borrow just to pay off the interest. I'd rather default and eat beans for a year while starting fresh than eat beans for 20 years paying off old debt. You can call them lazy, you can call them thieves but - if they play their cards right - you can also call them "debt free".


UnevenSurface Danny Sheahan 30 Jun 2015 21:12

Greece will still be here. There will of course be enormous poverty (in various forms) in the short term - but even the FT says that the GDP will bounce up 6% quite quickly. After that, they'll be the cheapest holiday destination in Europe, exporting the cheapest wine and olive oil. The GDP could expand by 25%, up to pre-austerity levels. Excluding macro economic factors out of our control, I would be truly surprised if they aren't better off - overall - within five years.

HaroldP -> owl905 30 Jun 2015 21:12

The public debt of Greece existed BEFORE the recent election. The cruel conditions inflicted upon Greece by its "partners" existed BEFORE the recent election. The crisis existed BEFORE the recent election. Obviously Tsipras did not "wreck his country." His fellow citizens elected his party to fix an existing crisis. He won the election with a proposal of how to do that. He has deviated only slightly from his promises. I find him to be a "hero" in that he could teach the political class of Europe the importance of keeping the agreement between the state and the citizens. It is heroic indeed to be the honest politician of Europe. He has my respect. Regards, Harry.


Paul Collins 30 Jun 2015 21:12

Lending more billions to Greece so they can repay the interest on previous billions loand and those new loans repayed by cuts to pensions and more privatisation of public assets...blatant transference of cash from those who can't afford it to those who don't need it. Hopefully the Greek people give a resounding middle finger to the EU/IMF.

And if I hear another muppet crack on about 'the Greeks ought to pay their taxes' I'll bloody lose my temper. D some reading for gawds sake. It really isn't that hard.


malenkylitso -> owl905 30 Jun 2015 21:08

Greece was forced into a corner, then took a bailout which less than 10% went to the Greeks. The rest went to the banks.
Sounds like a protection racket.


SystemD 30 Jun 2015 21:07

This is not just about Greece; the impact of a Greek default go much wider. The IMF (and the Troika) has to be seen to be taking a hard line. If they don't, then their credibility with the rest of the world diminishes, particularly in Africa. The Germans are worried about the Euro as a currency; the Deutchmark was given up on the promise of stability, and the 1920's are still - just - within living memory. There is a lot of fear behind their stance. Stock markets generally are worried about the instability the situation is causing. They don't want Greece crushed - they just want a stable situation with predictable outcomes. Volatility is not in their interest. And Greece needs money and help to try to cure the cancer of corruption in its economy.

Greece cannot pay back its debt. Unless the creditors agree to a very long term of repayment (at least 50 years) at reasonable rates, the only real options are for Greece to leave the Euro zone and go back to the drachma, or the debt must be written off, with the proviso that there will be no new loans, and Greece will have to rebuild and finance its economy from its own resources.

Stanley Wallings 30 Jun 2015 21:06

I feel sorry for the Greek people - they've had 5 hard years and for nothing. Grexit will be horrible for those who have to stay in Greece. The 'haves' have already moved their money and can just hop on a flight out. I hope Tsipras isn't driving the bus over a cliff for no reason other than to piss off the Troika. I hope he has a plan C

medicynic RobWilson73 30 Jun 2015 21:06

What a great idea! Let's get rid of pensions worldwide, then no one has any cause for complaint. I'm pleased to see that you are one of those who, when pensions in the UK increase say: "No thanks. I don't need it and don't deserve it. It only makes me fat anyway".
In my experience in British industry, workforces are rife with 'tax-dodging, CSA dodging, mendacious, lazy wankers', a lot of who deserve a cut in wages never mind a pension.

Monkeybus 30 Jun 2015 21:06

SQUEEZE THE GREEKS, WRING THEM OUT, RINSE THEM. Other xenophobic pronouncements are available. SHIFTLESS, LAZY, FECKLESS. Can't they print their own money like more advanced nations?

We are all in this together, err, hang on.

Imagine if Gordon Brown had taken us into the Euro after all?


clematlee FakeyWilson 30 Jun 2015 21:06

and the west arms heart eating loonies in North Africa and invades and kills millions of people in the process, Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, Grenada, Korea, Panama, Syria and the list goes on. Watch the EX USA secetary of state on youtube saying the starvation of 500,000 children was a price worth paying, by the west imposed on Iraq. It was starvation to death. Her name was Madalin Allbrite. Don't worry about losing some so called freedoms to stop Allbite and her ilk.


Tappert Heintz 30 Jun 2015 21:03

"Greek failure to make IMF payment deals historic blow to eurozone"

Sounds like the Daily Mail. Nonsense.


owl905 Iheartbill 30 Jun 2015 21:02

They're not barred from international trade, but it's really scewed to cash and barter. There simply isn't the mechanism to manage the exchange rates. No one outside the country will want rapidly devaluating and 'only-good-in-Greece' drachmas. Greeks don't realize what's coming after 15 years of Euro stability.

One big surprise from them is that pipeline deal with Russia. That needs a lot of capital - Russia is walking into even more problems if it starts forwarding debt financing to Greece to get the pipeline built.

The tourist industry won't be hit by it (except for foreign import items that are part of the industry) - it will be hit by the drachma, that has the profit from the industry shrink to nothing.


Danny Sheahan Justitiadroit 30 Jun 2015 21:01

Look at the Eurozone growth rates for the last 5 years, its a basket case.

The Greeks have messed up over the years but the Euroland is no case study in growth.


rberger ArundelXVI 30 Jun 2015 21:00

Actually there is very little debt servicing involved. The 29 billion actually includes debt repayments (principal, not interest). Greece is not paying any interest for most of its bailout money until after 2020, but of course needs to pay interest on the bonds that it has issued itself.


ScanDiscNow Danny Sheahan 30 Jun 2015 21:00

Pre Euro Greek total production increased by some 600% between 1960 and 2001 while German total production increased by a mere 255%. However, throw in the Euro and the subsequent 15 years has German total production up 20% while Greece total production is down 26%
ZeroHedge.


Anthony Apergis owl905 30 Jun 2015 20:57

And herein lies the issue my friend! The strictly monetary considerations that underpin your rationale betray the disintegration of what started in Rome as a visionary peace project for the peoples of Europe to an economic, neoliberal construct whose only concern is %s and profits. Surely, you must be able to see this. I would strongly advise you to read the preamble to the Treaty of Rome (1957).

MonsieurBoombastic FilthyRichBanker 30 Jun 2015 20:54

The capital controls in Greece apply to cash withdrawals and overseas transfers so this won't affect things like internet banking where cash is transferred within the system. The things you mention are probably still going on in most cases.

moderatextremist 30 Jun 2015 20:51

When Greece joined the EU, the corrupt government went on a spending spree of EU money, and used Goldman Sachs to cover it up. It is those politicians and Goldman Sachs, the vampire squid on the face of the world, that should be put on trial. I fear this development will be hurtful to an awful lot of good people, while the arseholes that created the mess will get away with it...... yet again.


sefertzi7 30 Jun 2015 20:48

The worst possible outcome. Now the crooks who caused the debt mountain in the first place (Papandreou x2, Simitis, Karamanlis, Samaras et al) will come back to power, reluctantly do what they are told with the quid pro quo of a blind eye turned while they carry on in their corrupt old ways.

Call that a revolution? More like crash and burn to me.

raymundlully -> Kaiama 30 Jun 2015 20:45

If the debt is forgiven and goes away.
Greece has in arrears to private pharma companies ,I doubt they'll extend credit orwant paying in toy Drachmas.

Cash-strapped Greece has racked up mounting debts with international drugmakers and now owes the industry more than 1.1 billion euros ($1.2 billion), a leading industry official said on Wednesday.

The rising unpaid bill reflects the growing struggle by the nearly bankrupt country to muster cash, and creates a dilemma for companies under moral pressure not to cut off supplies of life-saving medicines.

Richard Bergstrom, director general of the European Federation of Pharmaceutical Industries and Associations, told Reuters his members had not been paid by Greece since December 2014. They are owed money by both hospitals and state-run health insurer EOPYY.


MalleusSacerdotum 30 Jun 2015 20:45

If Greece were a private or public company and continued to 're-finance' in the manner proposed by the IMF, its directors would be charged with insolvent trading.

They are getting a lot of stick for admitting that they are effectively bankrupt.

It is at least an honest admission of the state of play.


Omniscience Jazzfunk23 30 Jun 2015 20:42

They turned a primary deficit into a surplus within the last 5 years

Greece have never run a primary surplus.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2015/02/16/greece-still-has-a-vast-problem-it-doesnt-have-a-primary-budget-surplus/


Dannybald George Purcell 30 Jun 2015 20:40

Right wing conservative neo-libs corrupt elitists. The Troika is refusing to allow Greece to tax the wealthy corrupt tax avoider thieves, while forcing more of the workers into poverty.


Vee1984 30 Jun 2015 20:40

It is a well known fact that many Greeks like to avoid paying taxes just as there are many other European countries who avoid paying tax whether on an individual or on a company basis.

The European Union has created this problem over a long period of time by allowing countries to borrow more than required and funds being used to build eg airports in Spain which are unused and unnecessary due ro their geographical location and many speculative projects undertaken throughout the EU. The reason for lending such sums, with a total disregard as to how interest payments can be repaid, never mind repaying the loans, has been done to enrich the lenders who, as we all know, love to gamble on how much money can be made. A risk game, played out every day, and, I suspect, some bets even being placed on the odds of Greece defaulting in some hedge fund offices somewhere in Europe. It should be noted that Spain and Italy have loaned money to Greece. How can this be when both countries have loans via the EU etc? Again, investors after interest on the loans with a total disregard as to their own countries finances. Greece is a democracy and should not give in to the rhetoric coming from the IMF or ECB. Why not? Neither can afford to and neither can Germany. Interesting days ahead. I truly hope that in the name of Democracy, the Greek people will vote NO in the referendum no matter the increasing hardship this will bring. The EU really need to be extremely mindful of the fact that abject poverty and the continuation of austerity gives rise to discontent and a surge in popularity to right-wing extremist views.


Anthony Apergis Justitiadroit 30 Jun 2015 20:39

Indeed, the EU has mutated from a union of the peoples of Europe, into a market-driven transnational institution governed by bankers and solely concerned with GDP growth rates (and I mean this in a strictly non-communist/leftist way).


Dannybald DavidRees 30 Jun 2015 20:36

As a German voter I would never vote for the right wing neo-lib corporatist Fascist scum in government. The hypocrisy of this regime is turning millions of Europeans against Germany and rightly so. The London conference of 1953 halved German debt owed for destroying Europe. Greek debt was 100% of GDP in 2008 and that had nothing to do with Tspiras.

The 'Eurogroup' only cares about a tiny elitist group of Europeans and not about the majority of it's people. Wake up DavidRees and the rest of you indoctrinated half wits.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/feb/27/greece-spain-helped-germany-recover


Omniscience 30 Jun 2015 20:35

If the EU are the enemy now, imagine the bed wetting and howls of protest if Greece had to make real repayments.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/06/28/uk-eurozone-greece-debt-factbox-idUKKCN0P80XU20150628

Euro zone countries have already extended the maturities of their loans to Greece from 15 to 30 years and reduced the interest rates on some to just 0.5 basis points above their borrowing cost. They also granted Greece a 10-year moratorium on interest payments on the second bailout loan from the euro zone rescue fund.


FlashRat 30 Jun 2015 20:35

I would have thought that a "senior german conservative politician" telling the Times that whatever happens Tsipras must be forced from office is an historic blow to the EU. Now, at least, people know what it is and who it is for.

PennyForYourComment DavidRees 30 Jun 2015 20:35

Which is why the Eurozone concept is fundamentally broken.

Imagine if every time one US went into a bad recession, all the other states had to vote on whether to send them money, with all the governors having to agree... and then trying to post their own conditions on how that States economy be run before the money were delivered. It would be an unworkable mess, especially given acrimony and resentment between states and regions (North vs. Deep south vs. midwest, vs. west coast, etc)... The country would sooner or later fall apart as States started rebelling and quitting. It would be absurd.

But somehow Europe is supposed to run on exactly this system. If you are going to have a single currency, then you need common fiscal mechanism binding the areas together, because these act as automatic financial stabilizers when there's a regional crash. If Florida's economy crashes, money automatically pours in from everywhere else to cover unemployment insurance, etc, via the Federal government. No similar thing happens with Greece in Europe.

BunyipBluegum theoldgreyfox 30 Jun 2015 20:34

The default you are referring to is a recent one (2014) - I was referring to the previous default in 2001, which was followed by a significant period of economic growth and recovery. I am not suggesting that a default is always the best solution in such circumstances, nor that the immediate fallout won't be problematic. However in any case the example of Iceland clearly demonstrates that a default can be the best option economically in some circumstances.

It's the same principle as bankruptcy: if your debts reach a level that can never be paid back, it's better to wipe the slate clean and start again, even though the cost of doing this may be to slide back down the snake to the bottom of the board.


Anthony Apergis 30 Jun 2015 20:33

To sum up:
Roughly €170b initial Greek debt +
Roughly €150b financial aid to Greece aimed at repaying initial creditors (NOT the restructuring of the Greek economy) + austerity measures while doubling an already unsustainable debt = EU solidarity to a member- state.
And the above does not even take into account whose economy did the initial debt prop up. I cannot believe that the people of Europe cannot see what the REAL problem is.
The EU - and by extension Europe - is truly in trouble.


raymundlully Franco87 30 Jun 2015 20:32

UK had third world inflation in the 1970s it took the IMF medicine broke the unions in the 80s and created a home fit for bankers.

www.whatsthecost.com/historic.cpi.aspx

1980, 18.00%. 1979, 13.40%. 1978, 8.30%. 1977, 15.80%. 1976, 16.50%. 1975, 24.20%. 1974, 16.00%. 1973, 9.20%. 1972, 7.10%. 1971, 9.40%. 1970, 6.40%

Danny Sheahan Omniscience 30 Jun 2015 20:31

What about economic slums like Portugal and Italy.

They are much worse off now than Greece was at the start of its crisis. It will not take much to have Italy in crisis.

Portugal is heading for an abandoned state after its crisis so its not much of a threat now, how it will pay its debt in the future is anyone's guess. Though it is safe to presume that a country in such decline will have less people paying tax.

They'll want more than billion.


RGBargie 30 Jun 2015 20:31

It looks like Greece might soon be sailing into uncharted waters.

I can just imagine what the consequences will be for the EZ if Greece goes alone, and then makes a success of their new found freedom. I imagine there might well be others ready to abandon ship if that happens.

Westmorlandia BunyipBluegum 30 Jun 2015 20:31

Point taken, but whatever the Greeks don't pay back to the EFSF will have to be paid by other Eurozone countries, as that's how the EFSF guarantees work. So it isn't just about whether it's fair for Greeks to pay for what their government borrowed, but whether it's more fair for Greeks to pay or for everyone else in the Eurozone to pay for what elected Greek governments borrowed.

Reality has said for some time that Greece can't pay, and therefore some of it should have been written off. But that's more about pragmatism than fairness.

FilthyRichBanker Wily Ways 30 Jun 2015 20:30

He could do what the rest of Europe does and make paying taxes compulsory rather than voluntary for a start.

Cut the bloated Public sector and halve the defence budget in line with the rest of Europe - and sell off the $50bn of assets they previously agreed to.


Bardamux Michael Richard Allen 30 Jun 2015 20:29

Ignorant it is then. So i'll explain it to you step by step.

1) If you deposit money in a bank, you are loaning the bank your money. And in many countries you will get a small interest rate for it.
2) it is considered a short term loan, because you can withdraw it at (almost) any time.
3) Remember Icesave in the UK ? That bank did not pay its depositors
4) Other banks received hundreds of billions of euro's / pounds / dollars
5) Banks could loan money at almost 0% even with terrible collateral to help them survive
6) Greece will pay its debt if they receive half or even less help than the Dutch and UK banks did.

Get it now or do you need more steps to help you out ?

Omniscience Danny Sheahan 30 Jun 2015 20:29

Most of the Debt is dormant thanks to the EU

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/06/28/uk-eurozone-greece-debt-factbox-idUKKCN0P80XU20150628

Euro zone countries have already extended the maturities of their loans to Greece from 15 to 30 years and reduced the interest rates on some to just 0.5 basis points above their borrowing cost. They also granted Greece a 10-year moratorium on interest payments on the second bailout loan from the euro zone rescue fund.


Omniscience 30 Jun 2015 20:27

To be fair, they have only been lying about reform since joining the Euro.

2005 : Greece faces up to taxing times

Greece plans to offset a projected shortfall this year in tax revenues with a €2bn securitisation deal, in spite of European Commission strictures against the use of one-off measures to reduce the budget deficit. George Alogoskoufis, finance minister, said in an interview with the Financial Times that the transaction would enable Greece to achieve this year's budget deficit target. He also stressed securitisation was "a temporary measure that will give us time to bring about permanent structural corrections".
Joaquin Almunia, the European Union's budget commissioner, signalled acceptance of this year's planned transaction during a visit to Athens last week but urged Greece to accelerate structural reforms next year.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/0c99809c-3abd-11da-b0d3-00000e2511c8.html


TerryChandler OnTheRobertELee 30 Jun 2015 20:26

The problems of Greece haven't happened since "a radical populist party" was elected. On the contrary, the present government was elected because of the problems.


Danny Sheahan outsiderwithinsight 30 Jun 2015 20:23

Not at all, it means that Italy and Portugal are next.

If Greece leaves and its hard to see how they will not at this stage then the Euro has become a non-permanent currency arrangement that the EU or ECB will not defend its integrity.

That marks it out as different from every other currency in the world. Only currencies that have allowed that in the past went on to be all failed entities.

CambridgeAfterDark 30 Jun 2015 20:25

Splendid, send a message to all banker gangsters everywhere.
Best way to deal with a bully, is hit them back.
Guess the right-wing trolls on here look pretty silly now, all saying last week the FTSE would rally upwards upon a Grexit!


BunyipBluegum robbyevans 30 Jun 2015 20:20

The present circumstances in Greece were inherited by the current government from the previous right-wing government, which managed to bring them out by faithfully following the austerity prescriptions of the Troika.

However both left and right-wing governments of the past, who created and hid the enormous debt, are also to blame.

coxinutant 30 Jun 2015 20:16

A continued austerity programme makes it unlikely that Greece will be able to grow economically. Continued economic pain-> lower ability to repay debt. So all those people who get on their hig horse and demand that Greece repay its debts should keep in mind that debt cannot be repaid when you have 25% unemployment, when wages plummet and people cannot spend to make the economy grow. If austerity had been the miracle cure, it would have worked years ago. So stop bandying about terms like 'communist' and 'marxist' and all that BS. The current government in Greece did not create the crisis, the austerity, the 25% unemployment. The crisis was created by an irresponsible banking sector, which was then bailed out by your money (yeah ordinary Joe, looking at you). Austerity was hatched by The IMF, against the advice of sensible economists...

And it hasn't worked. And I am sure the 'marxist' policies of Syriza did not create the enormous unemployment that Greece faces. Last time that occured in Europe, fascist governments came to power, aided by pro-fascist symptahies in France and the UK...


BunyipBluegum -> peter nelson 30 Jun 2015 20:14

It was the Greek governments of the mid 2000s, who were corrupt and nepotistic. If it was them and their wealthy friends who were going to carry the can for this, then I'd say well deserved.

But the whole reason why Syriza is against the austerity program is that it doesn't greatly affect these people, but it DOES greatly affect ordinary Greeks, especially the working class, elderly and vulnerable.

Also it hasn't worked. If you were prescribed a foul medicine by your doctor that made you feel sick and weak, and then failed to cure your problem, would you be inclined to go back for another dose?

AtomsNest -> echoniner 30 Jun 2015 20:14

If they actually wanted payment, they'd be reasonable. But payment isn't their priority, these organisations want power over Greece.

World Oil Energy Consumption by Sector, 1973-2010

World Oil Energy Consumption by Sector, 1973-2010

Oil can be put to a variety of uses, with transportation accounting for a growing share of the oil consumed. While the transport sector consumed 42% of the oil in in 1973 this share climbed to 61.5% in 2010. The growing level of global motorization is a core component behind this relative growth, particularly the growth of international trade. Non-energy uses mostly relate to the petrochemical industry where petroleum is used to manufacture products such as plastics or fertilizers. Other sectors concern agriculture (powering farm equipment), commercial and public services (power generation) and residential (heating oil).

[Jun 30, 2015] Stiglitz: Troika has Kind of Criminal Responsibility

"...Alexis Tsipras must be stopped: the underlying message of Europe's leaders. Germany's vice-chancellor has become the first senior EU politician to voice the private views of many - that the Greek PM is a threat to the European order
By Ian Traynor - Guardian"
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"...Tsipras is only a symbol of what must be stopped. What must be stopped is democratic interference in the affairs of finance capital. What do "the people" know about such important matters? Besides, they might favor their own interests over those of the system (meaning those of the oligarchs)."
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"...For finance capital, the stakes in Greece are high. They must make the Greeks pay a very high price for defiance. If not, Spain, Portugal, etc. will try the same thing.
What good is the "will of the people" and democracy when it goes up against the banks?"

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"...Finance capital now MUST take untenable speculative risks. The state now MUST bail out finance capital when their bubbles burst. The international institutions now MUST enforce draconian austerity to pay for the bailouts. ...because otherwise there wouldn't be enough value produced for the finance sector to appropriate and accumulate. This is the END GAME a perpetual smash-and-grab operation by the plutocrats. "

Jun 30, 2015 | economistsview.typepad.com

From Time:

Joseph Stiglitz to Greece's Creditors: Abandon Austerity Or Face Global Fallout: ... "They have criminal responsibility," he says of the so-called troika of financial institutions that bailed out the Greek economy in 2010, namely the International Monetary Fund, the European Commission and the European Central Bank. "It's a kind of criminal responsibility for causing a major recession," Stiglitz tells TIME in a phone interview.
Along with a growing number of the world's most influential economists, Stiglitz has begun to urge the troika to forgive Greece's debt – estimated to be worth close to $300 billion in bailouts – and to offer the stimulus money that two successive Greek governments have been requesting.
Failure to do so, Stiglitz argues, would not only worsen the recession in Greece – already deeper and more prolonged than the Great Depression in the U.S. – it would also wreck the credibility of Europe's common currency, the euro, and put the global economy at risk of contagion. ...
JohnH said...

Some background on the stakes in Greece AKA why Greece must be made to heel--Aegean gas, banking and oil company profits, and, yes, the Clintons.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/782961-the-u-s-looks-to-exploit-the-greek-re-default

pgl said in reply to JohnH...

Note when Stiglitz writes this:

"Of course, the economics behind the program that the "troika" (the European Commission, the European Central Bank, and the International Monetary Fund) foisted on Greece five years ago has been abysmal, resulting in a 25% decline in the country's GDP. I can think of no depression, ever, that has been so deliberate and had such catastrophic consequences: Greece's rate of youth unemployment, for example, now exceeds 60%."

The troika economics he is condemning was the refusal of the ECB to do QE earlier. Troika's bad economics is exactly what you have been advocating for the US for a long time. Just in case you missed this.

mulp said in reply to pgl...

Should Congress give Puerto Rico $150 billion to get it out of debt?

Or should Puerto Rico be forced out of the dollar zone and thus face drastic spending cuts.

Larry said in reply to pgl...

Agree on QE. But even that would not have fixed Greece. It doesn't belong in the EZ and never did.

pgl said in reply to Larry...

I agree. Cyprus made a mistake by entering the EZ as well.

Dan Kervick said in reply to pgl...

And yet economists have been extremely slow to react to this massive economic derailment with anything close to the kinds of bold emergency recovery plans they would be ginning up if the same disaster was taking place in their own countries.

Why aren't the kinds of figures Stiglitz just cited the headlines here? Why has the Great Greek Depression been treated by the media, and most economists, as though it is fundamentally just a disagreement between Greece and its creditors?

What is the plan for putting the 20% of the Greek over-15 population that is not working, but should be working, back to work?

Maybe people think that millions and millions of Greek people without jobs is just Greece being Greece? That profound economic dysfunction and failure is a case of "well, what do you expect from those people?"

Economists seem to have been so zombified by the inscrutable bureaucratic rhetoric and psychopathic insanity of the Eurocrats, and the bumbling incoherence of the Greek government, that most of them aren't able to think clearly. The Euros have convinced them all that any outside-the-narrow-box thinking will cause chaos, panic, unraveling, The Unthinkable, the Complete End of Europe as We Know It and the Return of the Satanic Hordes. So they sit on sidelines hoping that someone will make some deal that allows Greece to keep paying forever, grindingly, in a way that isn't too, too, too, too painful.

Part of the problem maybe is that mainstream economists have too many buddies in the Eurocracy. They can't believe that all those nice people they went to graduate school with have gone so bonkers.

The situation with the Eurocrats reminds me a little bit of Alec Guinness in The Bridge on the River Kwai. A noble project (in this case, the Europe project) evolves over time into a demented and fanatical religion whose ultimate purpose is forgotten by its architects, who lose the capacity to adapt to evolving circumstances with common sense.

Larry said in reply to Dan Kervick...

McArdle notes today that US pundits have been more supportive of Greece than the Europeans. Proximity breeds contempt?

Dan Kervick said in reply to Larry...

It's not surprising. European governments own most of the debt now and want to get paid; and they don't want any special deals that weren't available to them.

And the Greeks themselves are in denial. They haven't yet come to grips with what it's going to take to rebuild their collapsed economy.

Dan Kervick said in reply to pgl...

Krugman has been better than most in calling out some of the bad actors, but what is Krugman's plan for ending Greece's depression?

Is it the same plan he would recommend to American leaders if America were in Greece's position?

Would Krugman, an expert on depressions, advocate that the US run a surplus in a depression - just not a very big one - so it can pay its creditors?

Dan Kervick said in reply to Dan Kervick...

His column today on crippling austerity is pretty good though. The problem, as he says, is the grip of the notion that leaving the Euro is "unthinkable".

A lot of Europeans have gotten too tied to the idea that one country leaving the Euro is some kind of continental catastrophe. To read some of the hysteria - such as a recent Guardian piece - Greeks first leave the euro and then its back to Bolsheviks, Nazis, trench warfare slaughter or Mongol invasions or something.

But the euro isn't the UN Charter or the Magna Carta or the Treaty of Versailles. It's just money. The unity of Europe does not stand or fall on whether a country decides to use a particular form of money. There are several EU members, in perfectly good standing, who do not use the euro. Big deal.

I understand that most of the Greeks themselves cannot wrap their heads around this idea. But economists can easily.

Anyway, Greece and the rest of the world have gotten themselve so tangled up in the obsessive attention to the secondary matter of the Greek "debt crisis" that they don't seem to have time to think about the primary crisis - the Nobody has a Job and Our National Output is in the Toilet Crisis.

Benedict@Large said in reply to pgl...

QE? Oh nonsense. The Euro banks knew Goldman had washed Greece's books, and that Greece was not a suitable candidate for the initial loans, much less the subsequent ones. This is onerous debt, and is simply uncollectible. Banks must relearn to live and die by their ability to make good loans. And if the elites get burned in the process? Maybe they'll learn to stop staffing their banks with assclowns.

JohnH said in reply to pgl...

The Troika won't allow Greece to use Aegean gas as collateral precisely because Greece is supposed to hand over its wealth without much if any compensation...

pgl said in reply to JohnH...

I despise this Troika. Whether they are evil or whether they are dumbass liquidionists like you are - it does not matter. They are being very destructive. OK, you are not evil but you are stupid with your fear of using aggregate demand stimulus. Same horrific results.

Sandwichman said...

Joe! Joe! Joe!

(and as for "Chief Economist" Blanchard: M-I-T... I-M-F... M-O... U-S-E: Mickey Mouse).

http://econospeak.blogspot.com/2015/06/m-i-teee-squeeze-you-next-week-i-m-f.html

Sandwichman said in reply to Sandwichman...

No to austerity! Yes to democracy!

http://www.altersummit.eu/accueil/article/no-to-austerity-yes-to-democracy?lang=en

"Europe is at a crossroads. The institutions of the Troika are not only trying to destroy Greece; they are trying to destroy us all. Now is the time to raise our voices against this blackmail by the European elites.

"Next Sunday the Greek people will be able to vote to reject the blackmail that is austerity and vote for dignity – with hope for another Europe. This historic moment requires everyone in Europe to speak up and take a stand.

"We all say NO to austerity, pension cuts, and VAT increases; We all say NO to poverty and privileges; We all say NO to blackmailing and to the dismantling of social rights; We all say NO to fear and the destruction of democracy.

"We all say YES to dignity, sovereignty, democracy, and solidarity with the citizens of Greece.

"This is not a conflict between Greece and Europe. It is about two antagonist visions of Europe: our Europe of solidarity and democracy, created from below and without closed borders; and their vision, which denies social justice, dismantles democracy, opposes the protection of the weakest and the taxation of the wealthy."

Basta -- Enough -- Another Europe is possible !

DrDick said in reply to Sandwichman...

He certainly nailed this one. The Troika are demanding that the Greek people protect the plutocrats (mostly foreign) for paying any price for their reckless and feckless action and democracy (and the "little people" be damned.

mulp said in reply to DrDick...

We should not have expected debt repayment from Mexico in 1994?

More important, all the debt of Puerto Rico should be forgiven and then we should give them all the money they ask for to keep the country afloat?

DrDick said in reply to mulp...

People who cannot pay their debts will not pay them. Everything else is a pipe dream. You cannot privilege capital over human welfare.

Peter K. said in reply to Sandwichman...

Agreed. The IMF research dept had been looking good. (And the IMF asked the Fed not to raise rates this year).

But their behavior regarding Greece is criminal.

anne said in reply to Paine ...

http://time.com/3939621/stiglitz-greece/?xid=tcoshare

If the Greek economy collapses without the euro, "you have on the edge of Europe a failed state," Stiglitz says. "That's when the geopolitics become very ugly."

By providing financial aid, Russia and China would then be able to undermine Greece's allegiance to the E.U. and its foreign policy decisions, creating what Stiglitz calls "an enemy within."

[ This is xenophobic rubbish, showing a mean-spirited and wrong-headed disdain for China and Russia. ]

anne said in reply to anne...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/29/alexis-tsipras-must-be-stopped-the-underlying-message-of-europes-leaders

June 29, 2015

Alexis Tsipras must be stopped: the underlying message of Europe's leaders. Germany's vice-chancellor has become the first senior EU politician to voice the private views of many - that the Greek PM is a threat to the European order
By Ian Traynor - Guardian

Sandwichman said in reply to anne...

Except that Tsipras is only a symbol of what must be stopped. What must be stopped is democratic interference in the affairs of finance capital. What do "the people" know about such important matters? Besides, they might favor their own interests over those of the system (meaning those of the oligarchs).

mulp said in reply to Sandwichman...

You are saying "yes, the Greece and Puerto Rico can drain my retirement savings because Stiglitz says its democratic"?

I speak as someone who had lots of savings in BofA which bought the bank that bought my local bank listening to people calling for BofA to be liquidated and all the debt it held written off.

Jeffrey Stewart said...

It never ceases to amaze the number of human lives must be destroyed through unemployment and poverty due to "austerity" so that financial capitalists are repaid in full.

JohnH said in reply to Jeffrey Stewart...

It's how they keep the rest of the world under their thumbs...

Ellis said...

For finance capital, the stakes in Greece are high. They must make the Greeks pay a very high price for defiance. If not, Spain, Portugal, etc. will try the same thing.

What good is the "will of the people" and democracy when it goes up against the banks?

Sandwichman said in reply to Ellis...

"For finance capital, the stakes in Greece are high."

Yes, the stakes are high for finance capital. The choice is between euthanasia of the rentier and suicide-bomber-style financial terrorism. Finance capital opts for the latter.

We should all be clear on what the choices are and why finance capital chooses the reckless strategy it does. Finance capital CANNOT win this fight to the death. There is no win-win compromise that will enable the continuation of business-as-usual to be sustainable.

'Tis the final conflict. Greece is only an episode but there will be episode after episode based on the same scenario. The "wages-rut system" no longer has the "beautiful" capacity of ensuring the continued accumulation of capital merely through an imbalance in the economic power of labor and capital.

Sandwichman said in reply to Sandwichman...

Finance capital now MUST take untenable speculative risks. The state now MUST bail out finance capital when their bubbles burst. The international institutions now MUST enforce draconian austerity to pay for the bailouts.

...because otherwise there wouldn't be enough value produced for the finance sector to appropriate and accumulate.

This is the END GAME a perpetual smash-and-grab operation by the plutocrats.

Glen said in reply to Ellis...

It's well understood in modern economics that when banks and ultra rich speculators make horrible investments that wreck the world economy, then the innocent must pay. That whole capitalism risk/reward thing is so passe.

Ellis said in reply to Glen...

What's behind the debt? In 2004, the government paid through the nose to host the Summer Olympics. The Greek military sucks up 3 or 4 per cent of GDP buying expensive weapons and ammo from the U.S. Germany and France. When Greece entered the EU, it employed the services of Goldman Sachs to hide their debt -- paying a pretty penny for their services. And when the crisis hit in 2008, the fear that Greece might default boosted interest rates for the Greek government to usurious levels. In other words, it's pillage pure and simple.

And now, the IMF figures that the best way forward is to starve the population even more.

[Jun 30, 2015]Joseph Stiglitz: how I would vote in the Greek referendum

"...Actually 90% of the money went off to pay the private creditors (French and German banks who had invested in Greece). Only 10% amount of the loan ever went into the Greek economy but that was more than balanced by the the damage that austerity politics did to the country."
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"...So the IMF and the Eurozone have in effect been playing debt collectors for French and German banks, and have attempted to bestow the costs on Greece. Is there any way that could possibly ever have worked?"
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"... Lagarde, is getting smacked and rightly so; she, Merkel et al, all thought they could dictate to and bully Greece, and Greece would roll over, well it hasn't."
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"...Only because the banks were too big to fail and therefore letting them crash would have crashed the entire economy. If you ignore that, in theory holding the banks responsible for the crisis they created and making them insolvent instead of using QE to bail them out could theoretically have been something that held the right people to blame, and didn't punish ordinary people with austerity.
It's pretty smart of the banks as they got themselves into a position where, when they screw up, other people have to pay the price."
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"...Tsipras called them "criminals". I guess it is more close to the truth."
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"...Greece cannot pay, but no one can say that as it undermines the whole financial system, which is based on confidence. We can't 'write off Greek debt' (as Jeremy Corbyn helpfully suggests) as no indebted countries would feel the need to pay off debts again - they'd just wait for the 'Greece' solution."
Jun 30, 2015 | The Guardian

colin2d -> colin2d 30 Jun 2015 10:10

The big problem right now in Greece is lack of liquidity to operate the economy. There simply is not enough money in circulation.

If newly issued Greek euros are not traded on international markets and they are legal tender in Greece and the Greek government accepts them as tax payments, there is no market value. You have an assigned value, like in other controlled systems. So you can have a high velocity of circulation as people spend them quickly, but no problem of devaluation - unless the Greek government would issue Greek euros to total excess.

Suppose you are a shopkeeper in Greece and your pensioner customers pay you in Greek euros. And suppose, the Greek law says you can pay your suppliers in Greek euros and the supplier can pay his taxes in Greek euros. In that case, the Greek government will need capital controls to ration the supplier's euros to buy imports. But that's likely to stimulate local production and be a plus for the Greek economy.

Local fiat currencies do work.

It is a rather different and probably not very acceptable example, but the Cuban 'CUC', is not backed at 1:1 against the US dollar in an open market. Its value is the fiat of the Cuban government. No open market trading means no devaluation by market forces.

Trumbledon 30 Jun 2015 10:03

We never had an advanced economy actually asking for that kind of thing, delayed payment

They still haven't - Greece is no more an advanced economy than a person who buys a houseful of luxury items using credit cards is a wealthy person.

Greece has virtually no industry worth mentioning and virtually no agriculture; the Greek economy is almost entirely reliant on tourism.

Greece has a smaller GDP than Thailand or Argentina, Greece's economy is roughly half the size of Vietnam's. How on earth can Greece be considered an 'Advanced economy'? That's claptrap.

mikeyk1 Omniscience 30 Jun 2015 10:03

Actually 90% of the money went off to pay the private creditors (French and German banks who had invested in Greece). Only 10% amount of the loan ever went into the Greek economy but that was more than balanced by the the damage that austerity politics did to the country.

Adam Fo 30 Jun 2015 09:57

It's probably worth adding here that Argentina did pay off it's IMF loans in full as well as the modest amount of interest charged. One of the reasons they could do that is they are a more resource based economy than Greece. Increasing commodity prices during that period helped them.
Like Greece holders of Governments bonds saw massive haircuts. 50% (100 billion euro) in the case of Greece in 2012.

Thalia01 ThinBanker 30 Jun 2015 09:55

Only because the banks were too big to fail and therefore letting them crash would have crashed the entire economy.

If you ignore that, in theory holding the banks responsible for the crisis they created and making them insolvent instead of using QE to bail them out could theoretically have been something that held the right people to blame, and didn't punish ordinary people with austerity.

It's pretty smart of the banks as they got themselves into a position where, when they screw up, other people have to pay the price.

Hottentot 30 Jun 2015 09:40

Sorry, but the Guardian can't compare Argentina, Zimbabwe, Somalia and Sudan, to Greece, as none of them were / are in the Euro. Lagarde, is getting smacked and rightly so; she, Merkel et al, all thought they could dictate to and bully Greece, and Greece would roll over, well it hasn't. It's about time others started telling the IMF (interesting that it's referred to as the Washington-based organisation) and the EU who are all about 'protecting' their interests, to sod off.

So the IMF and the Eurozone have in effect been playing debt collectors for French and German banks, and have attempted to bestow the costs on Greece. Is there any way that could possibly ever have worked?

bonkthebonk -> Adam Fo 30 Jun 2015 09:50

True, but how many of them are in a flawed currency union that actively contributed to their demise, saw their mainly foreign reckless, speculative lenders' liabilities socialised and how many of these poorer countries have been lent ever more money just to service the their debts and nothing more?

CaptainGrey -> colin2d 30 Jun 2015 09:26

Calling it a Greek Euro as opposed to a new Drachma won't make any difference. It will crash overnight. Greece has no reserves to prop it up.

optimist99 30 Jun 2015 09:24

The Greeks need to look hard at Argentina - once one of the richest countries in the world....

"By 1908 it had surpassed Denmark, Canada and The Netherlands to reach 7th place-behind Switzerland, New Zealand, Australia, the United States, the United Kingdom and Belgium. Argentina's per capita income was 70% higher than Italy's, 90% higher than Spain's, 180% higher than Japan's and 400% higher than Brazil's". (Bolt & Van Zanden 2013)

Now it is number 55....

(At the moment Greece is at 44 - similar to Portugal).

CaptainGrey -> EricthePenguin 30 Jun 2015 09:24

Mexico didn't default, it devalued. Completely different. As I note above/below (depending on your settings)

Argentina was shut out for a decade, but was able to get through it thanks to it's vast natural reserves of mining, farming and forestry, plus strict financial discipline. Greece has none of those things.

Default could be a disaster for a generation of more.

Actually, nobody knows for certain how bad a default will be. But it will not be a walk in the park

ThinBanker -> Gelion 30 Jun 2015 09:24

"But of course that's not debt, that's just a way of lowering currency values to keep your exports competitive and put your citizens into Austerity"

Huh? Without QE, 'austerity' would have been all the greater ...

PeterHG 30 Jun 2015 08:50

It seems inconceivable to me that Greece will leave the Euro. The loss of face to the Brussels European Union bureaucracy would be too great for them to bear . Such a happening is beyond their imagination so they will find some means to keep Greece in. The Greek politicians sense this and that knowledge dictates their actions.

ApfelD -> Johanes 30 Jun 2015 09:13

Tsipras called them "criminals". I guess it is more close to the truth.


optimist99 -> sandywinder 30 Jun 2015 09:15

"is that borrowing and spending too much will always get you in the end. In case people have forgotten, the UK has a £1.5 trillion national debt."

But the folk who lend money to the UK are perfectly happy to continue to do this... So it's not "borrowing and spending too much" in the UK... (HMG can borrow money over 30 years at less than 3% interest...).

kentspur 30 Jun 2015 08:36

It's a default.

This semantic dancing on a pinhead just shows the absurdity of the situation. Greece cannot pay, but no one can say that as it undermines the whole financial system, which is based on confidence. We can't 'write off Greek debt' (as Jeremy Corbyn helpfully suggests) as no indebted countries would feel the need to pay off debts again - they'd just wait for the 'Greece' solution.

[Jun 29, 2015] Greek Tale(s)

"...From a macroeconomic viewpoint, the Greek saga is one of austere budget polices imposed on the Greek government by the "troika" of the International Monetary Fund, the European Commission and the European Central Bank in an attempt to collect payment on the government's debt. "
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"...The debt/GDP level, which was supposed to fall to about 155% by 2013, actually rose to 170% because of the severity of the contraction in output. The IMF subsequently published a report criticizing its participation in the 2010 program, including overly optimistic macroeconomic assumptions."
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"...Moreover, government pensions are important to a wide number of people. The old-age dependency ratio is around 30%, one of the highest in Europe. The contraction in the Greek economy means that the pension is sometimes the sole income payment received by a family. It is hardly surprising, therefore, that the pension system is seen as a "red line" which can not be crossed any further in Greece."
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"...... if the European governments insist that Greece must also pay back all its outstanding debt, then there is only one possible ending for this saga, and it will not be a happy one."
June 27, 2015 | Angry Bear

by Joseph Joyce

No matter what new twist the Greek debt crisis takes, there can be no question that it has been a catastrophe for that country and for the entire Eurozone. The Greek economy contracted by over a quarter during the period of 2007 to 2013, the largest decline of any advanced economy since 1950. The Greek unemployment rate last year was 26.5%, and its youth unemployment rate of 52.4% was matched only by Spain's. But who is responsible for these conditions depends very much on which perspective you take.

From a macroeconomic viewpoint, the Greek saga is one of austere budget polices imposed on the Greek government by the "troika" of the International Monetary Fund, the European Commission and the European Central Bank in an attempt to collect payment on the government's debt. The first program, enacted in 2010 in response to Greece's escalating budget deficits, called for fiscal consolidation to be achieved through cuts in government spending and higher taxes. The improvement in the primary budget position (which excludes interest payments) between 2010-11 was 8% of GDP, above its target. But real GDP, which was expected to drop between 2009 and 2012 by 5.5%, actually declined by 17%. The debt/GDP level, which was supposed to fall to about 155% by 2013, actually rose to 170% because of the severity of the contraction in output. The IMF subsequently published a report criticizing its participation in the 2010 program, including overly optimistic macroeconomic assumptions.

To address the continuing rise in the debt ratio, a new adjustment program was inaugurated in 2012, which included a writedown of Greek debt by 75%. Further cuts in public spending were to be made, as well as improvements in tax collection. But economic conditions continued to deteriorate, which hindered the country's ability to meet the fiscal goals. The Greek economy began to expand in 2014, and registered growth for the year of 0.8%. The public's disenchantment with the country's economic and political status, however, turned it against the usual ruling parties. The left-wing Syriza party took the lead position in the parliamentary elections held this past January, and the new Prime Minister, Alexis Tsipras, pledged to undo the policies of the troika. He and Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis have been negotiating with the IMF, the ECB and the other member governments of the Eurozone in an attempt to obtain more debt reduction in return for implementing new adjustment measures.

The macroeconomic record, therefore, seems to support the position of those who view the Greek situation as one of imposed austerity to force payment of debt incurred in the past. But because of the continuing declines in GDP, the improvement in the debt/GDP ratio has remained an elusive (if not unattainable) goal. (For detailed comments on the impact of the macroeconomic policies undertaken in the 2010 and 2012 programs see Krugman here and Wren-Lewis here.) Another perspective, however, brings an additional dimension to the analysis. From a public finance point of view, the successive Greek governments have been unable and/or unwilling to deal with budget positions-and in particular expenditures through the pension system-that are unsustainable.

Pension expenditures as a proportion of GDP have been relatively high when compared to other European countries, and under the pre-2010 system were projected to reach almost 25% of GDP by 2050. Workers were able to receive full benefits after 35 years of contributions, rather than 40 as in most other countries. Those in "strenuous occupations," which were broadly defined, could retire after 25 years with full benefits. The amount that a retiree received was based on the last year of salary rather than career earnings, and there were extra monthly payments at Christmas and Easter. The administration of the system, split among over 100 agencies, was a bureaucratic nightmare.

Much of this has been changed. The minimum retirement age has been raised, the number of years needed for full benefits is now 40, and the calculation of benefits changed so as to be less generous. But some fear that the changes have not been sufficient, particularly if older workers are "sheltered" from the changes.

Moreover, government pensions are important to a wide number of people. The old-age dependency ratio is around 30%, one of the highest in Europe. The contraction in the Greek economy means that the pension is sometimes the sole income payment received by a family. It is hardly surprising, therefore, that the pension system is seen as a "red line" which can not be crossed any further in Greece.

The challenge, therefore, is for the government to establish its finances on a sound footing without further damaging the fragile economy. This will call for some compromises on both sides.

... if the European governments insist that Greece must also pay back all its outstanding debt, then there is only one possible ending for this saga, and it will not be a happy one.

cross posted with Capital Ebbs and Flows

[Jun 29, 2015] Capped

Jesse's Café Américain

With the VIX soaring and the US equity markets seeing their first 2% correction in many moons, the capping on the precious metals was determined and obvious.

So much for 'Greek capitulation.'

I think Syriza realized they were being presented an untenable solution, the 'generous offer' of extend and pretend by Merkel and the Eurocrats, with the IMF playing heavy. This bailing out of private creditors while extracting a pound of flesh from the Greek people, facilitated by corporate friendly governments, was exactly how Greece came into this situation in the first place.

I thought forcing of a bank closure on Greece by the EU was a bit tough, and probably senseless. Showing them the lash to get them to fall to heel and all that.

Most economic commentators in the US are completely clueless about money these days, and global economics as well.

More surprises will therefore be coming I am sure.

US equity markets had about a two percent correction, with the SP 500 testing its 200 DMA.

Forget the domestic economic news, it was all geopoliticals and mostly about Greece.

The markets do not like the uncertainty of what will happen in Greece, as well as Puerto Rico and the Ukraine, not to mention the wavering financial assets bubble in China.

I am treading slowly through the commentary and news about Greece. The least helpful are those who are mostly projecting their egos or some ideology.

This is primarily a political problem. Greece has a left wing government that the Western powers find unattractive compared to the puppet governments which have facilitated the bailing out of Greek's private creditors while sustaining an unsustainable economic situation.

I am puzzled by Jeffrey Sachs who suggest that Greek default on their debt, but remain in the Eurozone. I am not quite sure how they might do that, and while Jeff says their is no mechanism to actually kick them out it does seem a bit too cute. The EU does not have a mechanism for forgiving one member's debts ...

[Jun 29, 2015]European Leaders Insist Greek Deal Is Still Possible

The neo-liberals running Europe have too much to lose by giving the Greeks a break -- especially the 'socialists' who have acquiesced in the suffering of their traditional supporters since the economic crisis began in 2007.
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"...Austerity is precisely the opposite of policies required to revitalize a depressed economy. But it is exactly what a predatory financial cabal uses to squeeze the lifeblood out of victims it manages to snare with its promises of money now, pay later."
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"...Sharpies in expensive suits take three-martini lunches at the expense of millions of people ensnared in their delightful little game and suffering to fund their luxuries for them. Debt is such a wonderful product. The gift that keeps on giving. You can even blame your victims by waging a moralistic finger at them: "You never should have borrowed the money in the first place!" What a rotten, selfish, greedy, antisocial game."
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"...The theory seems to be that competing with Third World workers requires the 99% to accept Third World salaries and conditions... how else can the 0.1% keep their multi-billion dollar lifestyles?"
Jun 29, 2015 | NYT

Jerry Harris, Chicago

European bankers can't stand the idea of a democratic vote on economic problems that impact millions of people. Neo-liberalism is a zombie economic policy, alive long after it should be dead. How much more suffering must the Greek people endure before anti-austerity policies are accepted as the only way out of the crisis?

Todge, seattle 36 minutes ago

When Merkel and Juncker say "compromise", it means " do what we tell you" . Tsipras recognizes that the creditor nations have a double standard and is calling it.

The EU leaders are not happy. Unclear why. It's only Greek pensioners who'll have to eke out a misery on $250 a month.

Sherry Jones, Washington 4 minutes ago

Far too little attention has been paid to the darkest cloud on the horizon, the rise of right-wing extremism in Europe. As a result of austerity measures forced on Greek workers, such as reducing the standard minimum wage of $750 by 22 percent, people are increasingly, and quite rightly, bitter and angry. Punishing the working class and ignoring its 25 percent unemployment rate energizes destructive political forces in Greece such as the Golden Dawn party, which channels working class rage into rage against the "other", such as minority citizens and immigrants. This is a particularly bad time for anti-immigrant sentiment to take hold. It is worrisome to watch European leaders in this debt crisis fueling such nationalist and racist extremism.

Tommy, yoopee, michigan

It's unfortunate that the European Union will dissolve simply because European oligarchs refuse to pay higher taxes. This type of sickness that has occurred in the U.S. has apparently spread overseas.

Sad to say, but even the rich are so blind to know that they won't have a pot to urinate in if the earth is burning up and the people are in revolt. Austerity worked in this country, meaning it worked to keep America in a prolonged depression after they first tried it in 1937. Will we ever learn? If history is a guide, the quick answer is 'no'.

george, coastline

Last week the Troika insisted that Greece further cut pension benefits and not raise taxes, If Syriza had agreed to that, they would have been discredited by their own electorate. One wonders if that wasn't the real goal of Europe's leaders- to send a message to the Spanish who vote in November and can express their opinion of austerity by giving power to Podemos.

Now they're shocked and petrified that the Greeks will vote on their own destiny and say they are willing to compromise. But in the end, the neo-liberals running Europe have too much to lose by giving the Greeks a break -- especially the 'socialists' who have acquiesced in the suffering of their traditional supporters since the economic crisis began in 2007.

condo, France

I'm afraid today's slump in the markets has cost much much more than the money expected from Greece. Ideology has overcome economics in this instance, but pointing the finger at Ms. Merkel is not fair: the worst seem to be the visionless technocrats of the Eurogroup, not mentioning the IMF

Jason, DC 6 minutes ago

""Europe cannot give permanent financial aid with no conditions," he said."

But, they aren't asking for that. They are asking for a specific amount of aid with different conditions than what you want.

condo, France

I'm afraid today's slump in the markets has cost much much more than the money expected from Greece. Ideology has overcome economics in this instance, but pointing the finger at Ms. Merkel is not fair: the worst seem to be the visionless technocrats of the Eurogroup, not mentioning the IMF

Jason, DC

""Europe cannot give permanent financial aid with no conditions," he said."

But, they aren't asking for that. They are asking for a specific amount of aid with different conditions than what you want.

Bill Appledorf, is a trusted commenter British Columbia

Austerity is precisely the opposite of policies required to revitalize a depressed economy. But it is exactly what a predatory financial cabal uses to squeeze the lifeblood out of victims it manages to snare with its promises of money now, pay later.

American homeowners suckered with teasers to purchase balloon mortgages that cost them their homes; college students roped into lifelong indebtedness with student loans issued by financial institutions that never in a million years would pay their fair share of taxes to fund free public education; third world countries driven to financial ruin by the tried-and-true strategy being employed in Greece: transnational PayDay loans on which interest payments are only made possible by rolling them over in perpetuity and loaning just enough to pay that interest every time another tranche is issued.

Sharpies in expensive suits take three-martini lunches at the expense of millions of people ensnared in their delightful little game and suffering to fund their luxuries for them. Debt is such a wonderful product. The gift that keeps on giving. You can even blame your victims by waging a moralistic finger at them: "You never should have borrowed the money in the first place!"

What a rotten, selfish, greedy, antisocial game.

dolly patterson, silicon valley

I really don't understand what the big deal is about keeping Greece in the Eurozone...their economy only makes up 2%. They can still stay in the EU along with 9 other countries who don't trade the euro dollar.

If the EZ gives in to Greece, it set a precedence for others like Italy and Spain, etc., to not have to pay their dues.

Jason, DC

"If the EZ gives in to Greece..."

Exactly...all those countries should be conquered, not treated like they were part of an equal union.

Matthew, Auckland

At least Merkel gets that berating/telling the Greek people what to vote in their own referendum proooobably won't help. The rich, angry technocrats doing the berating? Er, not so much.

tony silver, Kopenhagen

The Capitalist West lent billions of Dollars, for Greece to realize its Olympic Games, knowing that it was a risk, as Greece is one of the poorest country in EU.

Now they demand their money back? Seems unrealistic.

If Greece has no more money to pay its obligations, then someone should have transferred it to foreign banks. Money cannot evaporate like smoke.

Billions of Dollars were driven by European and American money-men and invested in their banks.

David, Sacramento

Money can evaporate. Recall the Great Depression where stock prices plummeted between 1930 and 1932. That's when people jumped out of high-rise buildings, not 1929-1930.

change, new york, ny 39 minutes ago

Are we that careless and gullible? Greece does not have the money to pay today or at the end of the year. Kicking the can down the road is only for political reasons. Economically nothing will change.

The Europeans are looking for something to stem the fallout, something they themselves created. The best for the Eurozone is for Greece to quietly exit from the group. The fallout will be less damaging for all if the Europeans are willing to make a simple but hard choice.

That Greece will exit, should not be seen as a failure on the part of the Group. That is exactly what they are making this crisis to be.

anon,

Heather, a civil war would add MORE problems! Who wants more problems?

I'm surprised no one has in-depth investigated a population of 11M people has over 350B euro debt in its euro lifespan. I believe savvier crooks have left them with their debts also.

If Cyprus was offshore Asset banking, Greece appears to be offshore Debt banking. Not fair for 11M people to live like they abused the EMU by the decisions of a few. What is the history of Greek financials? Were they solvent before entering the Euro?

What if crooks got Greece into the Euro, performed numerous financial crimes, used Greece, robbed Greece, deposited the money into Cyprus and crooked banks of Greece and Cyprus. In recent years Europe has confiscated illegal money and closed illegal banks. Greek bankers and businessmen look crooked also. So they play the part, while others ran off with over 300B euros.

If you were to balance the funds, where did the 350B euros go? Each Greek should be a rich on the average. Only the average citizen suffers. THIS is a recurring pattern.

KeithNJ, NJ

Greek banks did not 'overlend'. The excessive lending to the Greek government was by non-Greek banks (perhaps the Greek banks knew better?).

The Greek government used the money to double state worker's salaries over less than ten years and greatly expand the headcount. Some money was left over for benefits to the public.

The Greek people, not surprisingly, apparently see their State as hopelessly corrupt and avoid funding it if at all possible. Now, other Europeans have come to the same conclusion.

So the question was, and remains, what will the Greek people do about their State? That question does not go away regardless of whether they stick with the Euro or devalue with the Drachma. Either way the State cannot fund itself and has run our of people willing to plug the gap, whether Greek or non-Greek.

su, ny

As of today, If Greece leaves Eurozone, Greece some part of population will leave Greece permanently too. so Meanwhile EU incompetent bureaucrats couldn't even figure out how to deal with Mediterranean immigrants, now in their hand there is a legitimate prospective millions immigrant Greek people.

EU is showing it's inner workings and that say only one thing :INCOMPETENT.

su, ny

No body in the world can say that 500 billion USD credit is given with under normal banking and financial procedures to 10,815.000 population country.

That is not right.

EU cannot wash its hands, this is entirely Greek's problem, EU and it's lenders are in this game and they did this to Greece knowingly and intentionally and now they are trying to capitulate a nation in pretext of World War one time Europe mentality.

This is a very nasty game and power play, nothing else.

German's bankers and Greek politicians collaborative work nothing else.

P.S: some credit in this scheme also goes to Goldman Sachs.

Carlos, Long Island, NY

Tsipras responded to their 'take it or else' ultimatum with a referendum; what's wrong with it? What are the EU leaders afraid off? I would said that after 5 years of austerity that only shrunk their economy, Greek people have a good reason to say no more.

They will go into a very bad couple of years but even that is better than eternal austerity with no economic growth. After the economy stabilizes, they will start growing and will do better. Just look what happened in Argentina.

Simon, Tampa

The Greeks need to call it a day and reject the Trioka's blackmail.

Jon Davis, NM

The Greeks need to exit the euro, align themselves economically with Russia, and lead NATO but remain neutral. Let the rest of Europe worry about Ukraine, ISIS and the flood of immigrants into southern Europe via Spain and Italy.

NYCLAW, Flushing, New York

Tsipras just called Merkel's bluff. By closing the Greek banks and stock exchange, Tsipras is signaling that he is willing to take great risk to get a deal that he and his voters can live with. Merkel, on the other hand, maybe was assuming that the Greeks would never risk an EU membership and accept further cuts.

Caveat to Merkel: the Chinese have a old saying: "Those wear shoes are better off not stepping on the barefooted ones." Watch out, Ms. Merkel, the Greeks may have been pushed to a point that they have nothing to lose.

Peter Czipott, is a trusted commenter San Diego

It seems that Krugman, in his op-ed today, must be right: it's not about analysis but about power. Analysis of the problem would yield a solution that, while not ideal, minimizes losses for all parties involved -- or, equivalently, maximizes the ultimate payout to creditors over time. That alternative dictates setting up a situation facilitating the eventual regrowth of the Greek economy, to the point where it can (a) provide for its own citizens' well-being, and (b) repay as much as possible of its outside debts.

Instead, Merkel and company, ostensibly representing the interests of their citizens, lay down terms that, as Krugman says, lead to endless Greek austerity and a depression of unforeseeable duration, which also harms the interests of the very citizens Merkel is presuming to protect.

And all for what? To assert the moral upper hand? It's counterproductive to the point of craziness; and Merkel, as a physicist and problem-solver, used to dealing with quantitative data, should know better: perhaps better than some of her economic advisers.

Michael Collins, Oakland

Greece will never be able to pay it's debt with an unemployment rate of 25%. Young Greeks are leaving in droves to find opportunity elsewhere. While it's true that Greek still needs to implement some economic reforms, like cutting down on tax evasion and cutting back on pensions, it's also clear that purpose of austerity is punishment without regard to viability.

Austerity will be the end of the Greek Economy, so why not exit?

If the Europeans are serious about keeping Greece (and Spain, and Portugal) in the EU, they need to temper Austerity with a serious plan to raise employment and give the younger generation a reason to stay in their home country.

John M, is a trusted commenter Oakland, CA

Indeed - Greece has suffered through a full-on depression for 5 years, and all the Troika said in response was "more of the same." To my mind, the whole purpose of this exercise is to force massive social safety net cuts and privatization not only upon Greece, but upon all of Europe - including Germany.

This is not merely a European perspective - look at the way pensioners were treated in Detroit, and how the Governor of Illinois proposes to treat Chicago city workers' pensions: bankruptcy, and then massive pension cuts. The theory seems to be that competing with Third World workers requires the 99% to accept Third World salaries and conditions... how else can the 0.1% keep their multi-billion dollar lifestyles?

Bob Dobbs, Santa Cruz, CA

In following a politically expedient course that utterly ruins a country considered "expendable," the European Community sowed the wind. And as you suggest, it may reap the whirlwind.

Europe's leaders are apparently no wiser or better than they were in 1919, when they imposed the same sort of austerity on -- Germany. Whose leaders also seem curiously blank on the matter.

[Jun 29, 2015] Shares slide as deepening Greek crisis shakes global markets

Jun 29, 2015 | The Guardian

The commission reiterated on Monday that the door remained open to a deal.

Jean-Claude Juncker, the European commission president, was expected on Monday to appeal to Greece to return to the negotiating table, but would not make any fresh proposals.

On Sunday, the commission took the unusual step of releasing the draft bailout agreement that creditors had been negotiating with Greece before talks broke down.

"We are some centimetres away from an agreement," tweeted Pierre Moscovici, France's European commissioner, adding that there was an open door to further talks. "We must find a compromise. I want a reformed Greece to stay in the eurozone without austerity."

A bank manager explains the situation to pensioners waiting outside a branch of the National Bank of Greece hoping to get their pensions.

A bank manager explains the situation to pensioners waiting outside a branch of the National Bank of Greece hoping to get their pensions. Photograph: Yannis Behrakis/Reuters

Meanwhile, Angela Merkel will hold emergency talks with senior German politicians on Monday afternoon.

The German chancellor spoke to the US president, Barack Obama, on Sunday, with the two leaders agreeing it was "critically important to make every effort to return to a path that will allow Greece to resume reforms and growth within the eurozone", according to a White House statement.

The US Treasury secretary, Jack Lew, spoke to his counterparts in Germany and France, as well as Tsipras and the head of the IMF, Christine Lagarde. The US is urging all sides to resolve the crisis: it has called for Greece's creditors to discuss debt relief ahead of Sunday's referendum, but is also counselling Athens to adopt "difficult measures to reach a pragmatic compromise".

In a brief, televised address to the nation on Sunday night, Tsipras blamed the eurozone leaders. He did not say how long the banks would remain shut, nor did he give details of how much individuals and companies would be allowed to withdraw once they reopened.

In the early hours of Monday morning, Tsipras published a decree in the official government gazette setting out the capital controls to be imposed. The decree – entitled "Bank Holiday break" – was signed by Tsipras and the Greek president, Prokopis Pavlopoulos.

It said all banks would be kept shut until after the referendum on 5 July and that withdrawals from cash machines would be limited to €60 – about £40. Cash machines were not expected to reopen until later on Monday.

Foreign transfers out of Greece are prohibited, although online transactions between Greek bank accounts are to continue as normal. Tsipras insisted that pensions and wages would be unaffected by the controls.

Greece's finance ministry later announced that the strict ATM withdrawal limits would not apply to holders of credit or debit cards issued in foreign countries. This was viewed as a necessary move as tourists were spotted joining locals in front of ATMs on Sunday. Any similar restriction would hurt tourism, Greece's sole thriving industry, which accounts for at least a fifth of economic activity.

Tsipras said Saturday's move by the eurozone's finance chiefs to halt Greece's bailout programme was unprecedented. He called it "a denial of the Greek public's right to reach a democratic decision".

The commission said on Monday that Greece's capital controls were "necessary and proportionate", but free movement of capital would need to be be reinstated "as soon as possible in the interests of the Greek economy, the eurozone and the European Union's single market as a whole".

Tsipras added that the finance ministers' initiative had prompted the ECB to curb its assistance, forcing the government's hand. The Greek prime minister, who has always insisted the crisis can only be solved at the highest political levels, said he had once again appealed for an extension of the bailout until after the referendum, sending his proposal to the president of the European council, Donald Tusk, the leaders of the other 18 member states of the single currency, the commission and the ECB.

[Jun 29, 2015] Greece crisis: markets begin to tumble as investors flee

Jun 29, 2015 | The Guardian

Markets suffered across Asia on Monday as Greece shut down its banks for a week ahead of an increasingly likely debt default.

Oil prices declined and the euro edged down against the dollar, while Tokyo's Nikkei 225 index fell 2% to 20,283.98 points. The Shanghai Composite Index was off 0.4% at 4,178.56 despite China's surprise weekend interest rate cut.

Hong Kong's Hang Seng lost 1.7% to 29,192.67. Seoul's Kospi shed 1.6% to 2,057.52 and Sydney's S&P/ASX 200 was off 1.8% to 5,447.80. Market benchmarks in Taiwan, Singapore and New Zealand also fell sharply.

Turmoil in Asia had been widely expected after the failure of 11th-hour talks in Europe over the weekend raised the possibility of a Greek exit from the eurozone.

More than $35bn was wiped off the Australian stock market in the first hour of trading on Monday as investors braced for what could become a torrid week.

Earlier the euro dropped more than 3% to 133.80 yen, its lowest level for five weeks. The common currency fell as much as 1.9% to $1.0955, its lowest level in almost a month.

More on this topicGreek debt crisis: the key points of Athens bank controls

The US Treasury secretary, Jack Lew, stressed the need for Greece "to take necessary steps to maintain financial stability" ahead of the referendum.

He told the Greek prime minister, Alexis Tsipras, on Sunday that Athens and its creditors needed to continue working toward a resolution ahead of a Greek referendum on 5 July on the creditors' demands for austerity.

US stock futures dived 1.8%, hitting a three-month low, while US Treasuries futures price gained almost two points.

A cash-strapped Greece looks certain to miss its debt repayment on Tuesday as Greece's European partners shut the door on extending a credit lifeline after Greece's surprise move to hold a referendum on bailout terms.


robtal 29 Jun 2015 08:43

We can print all the money we want all over the world to save every banker, financial wizard, and insurance company . But one little country like Greece is the scape goat these financial criminals use to bring fear and control to the rest of the world. These are evil less than human monsters that run these world banks.


Paul Hawkins 29 Jun 2015 08:31

The World is being run by a group of financial gangsters such as the Rothschilds and 30 to 40 of the richest people in the world: Karen Hudes is a graduate of Yale Law School and she worked in the legal department of the World Bank for more than 20 years. In fact, when she was fired for blowing the whistle on corruption inside the World Bank, she held the position of Senior Counsel.

She was in a unique position to see exactly how the global elite rules the world, and the information that she is now revealing to the public is absolutely stunning. According to Hudes, the elite uses a very tight core of financial institutions and mega-corporations to dominate the planet.

Austerity is a lie as Countries use the Fiat monetary system and can produce money when they want, such as quantitative easing. It is the greed of the banks, that had to be bailed out across the world, that is causing the problem.

The sooner these greedy selfish power hungry bankers are brought to book the sooner the financial markets would recover.


Mark Foster Kenneth Stephen Besig 29 Jun 2015 08:17

A large part of Syriza wanted out of the Euro because they were sure the Troika would not compromise on it's insane 'reforms' which had already destroyed most of the economy. Debtors prison's were abolished years ago in the UK, primarily because creditors realized it meant they would never get any compensation for losses while debtors were in gaol. Yet by insisting on repayments on an odious debt, we effectively put the whole of Greece into a debtors prison, and insisted on all the wrong IMF/ECB reforms that have always failed to resurrect economies in the past. We are still caught up in the idiotic Washington consensus/Jeffrey Sachs/ Hernando de Sotos models of development.

In truth Greece should have left the failed euro project years ago. Iceland had the sense to get out of the Banks clutches, file bankruptcy and impose capital controls and start again. For the most part that as worked very well for them. Some will say Greece isn't Iceland, or nonsense like the Greeks are lazy (they work longer hours than the Germans), Greece has deep problems for sure and i'm not saying I'm confident Syriza have the program to fix them. But I'm 100% confident the demands of the Troika would only cripple them further.


Myrtle7 29 Jun 2015 08:14

Save Greece! A Kind Request to the EU Leaders and Creditors (Myrtle 7)

I am writing this because today we are hours before a bitter end, perhaps, for Greece and the beginning of problems for the EU.
A lot has been said about the Greeks living above their income for a long time or partying for a long time and these may have been true in many cases but the Greeks should not be punished now as they followed the example and attitude of some of their leaders. And, moreover, now, it is the poorer people, those with lower income, that are suffering, those that did not have the right "connections."

The referendum arranged by the government seems like a democratic move but in fact it will be a desperate choice as the Greek people are asked to choose between suicide by drowning and suicide by hanging.

If Greece goes into default it will be a catastrophe for the country; there is no currency to devalue. They have to re-create the drachma (it will take perhaps a year or more) which will be immediately devalued. How would these people, who are suffering already, cope? And if Greece defaults, I am not sure whether the Creditors will get their money within the next 50 years, anyway. Most seriously, the tense situation in the defaulted country, the low morale and possible disorder, would invite & unleash unforeseen dangers for Greece first, for other European countries later and the EU eventually; as we all know such situations can spread to the detriment of the people. Historic recurrence is here: the specifics and the actors change, but the result is similar. Moreover, it is common knowledge that there are forces, (they have their own agenda) which, wish, discuss in conferences, and even envision, the break up of the European Union, even as 'we speak'. If I am aware of this, I am sure the European leaders are aware too, for, as wise leaders, are conscious (or should be) of emerging situations long before they get out of hand. With around 6 million Muslims outside its northern borders, (excluding Turkish territories), Greece, will be an open, unprotected theatre for anyone who wants an easy passage to the west.

The Creditors are part of the leadership or the Hegemony of European Union as they form the powerful financial aspect of it; usually, leaders who push think they facilitate progress; in fact they are blocking it. Yet, there are certain characteristics that wise leaders have and magnanimity is the most important one. They do not expect a poor, proud nation to fall on their knees. They would always offer opportunities for relief and growth. Lawrence Summers, US Treasury Secretary, suggested something which sounds as a good solution: the Creditors can write off a small amount of the debt now and perhaps ask for something that Greece, could, comfortably, add to their plan that would help growth; e. g. taxing certain accounts many Greeks keep in Swiss banks. Such a move by the Creditors would be wise, intelligent and humane.

With this magnanimous act the Greeks would feel uplifted and stronger to face the odds. In my view, the most important attitude of the Leader is to make people feel they mean something within the group, but I may be wrong.


John Kakkos DazzlingKarina 29 Jun 2015 07:04

Lazy Greeks is a very racisti thing to say, espesially since Greeks work-hours exceed that of oher EU countries (including Germany). War reparations agreement was not accepted. Since in 1942, the Greek Central Bank was forced by the occupying Nazi regime to loan 476 million Reichsmarks at 0% interest to Nazi Germany. In 1960, Greece accepted 115 million Marks as compensation for Nazi crimes. Nevertheless, past Greek governments have insisted that this was only a down-payment, not complete reparations. The 300 bn were not given to Greeks but to banks. 30% of Greeks are iving below the povery line. Unemployment is 26% (60% to young) and 16% cant even provide daily food needs. EU is not to blame, nor it is Greece. This financial system is just not working.


Aboutface 29 Jun 2015 06:47

There are "invisible hands" weaving the thread of EU-Euro through the IMF needle in this Greek tradegy. One of the comment here by Steven Tracy on the Rothschilds and Rockerfeller seems about right...a force majeure / fire sale of prime assets and not to dismiss, there are very wealthy Greeks with offshore accounts, like vultures over a soon to be cadaver. Next move, the "Alexis Tsipras surprise" call option.


pauline7883 29 Jun 2015 06:40

the greek people have the right to this referendum they have to decide if the deal is acceptable whether they can cope with the continuing austerity. the financial institutions of europe have acted disgracefully
the greek government should begin an audit of the books looking at the loans/debts owed by greece to see if there was any illegality and prosecutions should follow

SEADADDY 29 Jun 2015 06:35

So, as Greece slips into the financial abyss, it's the common man/woman that gets the pain, the punishment and the price tag of bankers ineptitude, greed and Houdini escapism. The bankers, corporate investors and politicians get away with grand gambling and larceny of incredible scale, without so much as a slap on the wrist. It wasn't the small man in Greece that caused the crisis. It was the Niarchos's and the Onassis's & etc that caused the downfall, with getting away with not paying their fair taxes, flags of convenience, double dealing and tax havens world wide. It's high time that some government agency woke up and
NorthernFella,29 Jun 2015 06:00

They weren't ready to join the EU...

I would say, weren't ready to join the euro. Interesting that you don't mention anything about the role of Goldman Sachs in this big scam.

"Humiliation" - what idiocy.

If accusing all the Greek of the ongoing (bank)crisis, using austerity (cuts directed to the disadvantaged groups mostly) as a medicine and calling them lazy is not humiliating I don't know what is.

And the idea that they were being 'starved by austerity' is ridiculous. They were starved by their corrupt practices.

Let's take measures of that how much the neoliberalist austerity policy has affected those in the most vulnerable position and let's compare it to the times before austerity. Sure the situation has been bad for a long time before the crisis but austerity brought real hell.


Luckyspin marcus_rm 29 Jun 2015 05:34

The Greeks accuse the IMF of colluding in an EMU-imposed austerity regime that breaches the Fund's own rules and is in open contradiction with five years of analysis by its own excellent research department and chief economist, Olivier Blanchard.

Objectively, it is acting as an imperialist lackey. The IMF enforced brute liquidation without compensating stimulus or relief. It claimed that its policies would lead to a 2.6 % contraction of GDP in 2010 followed by brisk recovery.

What in fact happened was six years of depression, a deflationary spiral, a 26 % fall in GDP, 60 % youth unemployment, mass exodus of the young and the brightest, chronic hysteretic that will blight Greece's prospects for decades to come, and to cap it all the debt ratio exploded because of the mathematical – and predictable – denominator effect of shrinking nominal GDP.


George Vasilakakos deskandchair 29 Jun 2015 05:27

very poorly served Greece is by its media

That's the key point. You see the Greek media groups are run by the same oligarchs who've been buying our politicians. They owe hundreds of millions to the Greek banks, along with the political parties, between them it must be around a billion. The banks were unwilling to collect on those debts, got bailed out and we are footing the bill...

NorthernFella Phil Murray 29 Jun 2015 05:25
Well, that's why I'm writing about "near-racism". Greece is schizophrenically seemed as the cradle of democracy and the Western culture but as Gerold reveals the opinion of many by the comment:

Nonsense. The Greek nation and people have failed to grow into a modern responsible state. They are still living like an Ottoman Province, trying to short-change the Sultan.

Many are still romanticizing the ancient times and are disappointed as they see the times have changed. Many are wondering (bitterly) how the modern day Greek are so different from the ancient times. In one book (a Finnish version of Traveler's history of Greece, I think) it was written (in introduction) something like this: "are those hot-tempered noisy people really descended from the ancient Greek?".

When adding to it Gerold's views on Greece as a nation that is still living like "an Ottoman Province" it's easy to extend near-racist stereotypes even further. Now we're talking about "lazy Greek who just lie down under the palm trees, waiting for the next bailout". Of course there are stereotypes related to each nation but they get always stronger when we are going to the south and they are told by "harder-working northerners" ...

I'm looking forward to the Greek people correcting their previous election error

Should the Greek vote only for "rationalist", pro-euro, business-oriented right-wing parties who are ready to starve their own people to death? It sounds travesty of democracy and would prove that economy has replaced democracy.


Theo Krom 29 Jun 2015 05:14

The markets. already have lost much more money than if they were agree to restructure, not necessarily write-off, the Greek debt. If we count the profits the markets would gain after such deal would have been announced then it seems that whatever is happening is a clear and utter irrational thinking orchestrated by the allegedly proponents of rational economic thinking...

Policy for the contemporary markets, seems to be much more important than free markets. Free market is an illusion, an excuse for the banks to suffocate democracy, using pseudo-politicians as their most valuable gatekeepers....Well, the actual neo-liberalism has been implemented in a very distorted manner, exactly as happened with socialism... Actually, both lead to utter misery!!!

29 Jun 2015 05:12 ;
This is what the private FMI corporation owned by the private federal reserve corporation of USA has planned for ALL our countries. I's the Rothschields, the Rockfellers etc... The 1% that are behind all this.

Can't you see USA is deep in debt and nearly bankrupt, just like most of the western countries and Africa. They lend us money, put us deeper in debt, and we pay them back only the interest of the debt ???

This has all been carefully planned since the creation of the private federal reserve corporation in 1913 to rob our assets and control us.

One example. Watch Karen Hudes, former lawyer of the FMI for 20 years, reveal it all : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhTvsDuP-rg

This is why the BRIC countries have come together to ditch the US dollar.

Better than Eduard Snowden on the NSA.


GRJones Mark Foster 29 Jun 2015 04:51

Iceland is often held up on these pages as a shining example of the wealth and riches that flow to you if you reject austerity. It shouldn't be. Iceland suffered enormous economic contraction after its rejection of bailout conditions, and while the economy is growing, GDP is at about the level it was in 2004, unemployment is still well above pre-crash levels, and prices are 50% higher than they were before the crash. The steep devaluation of the currency by 50% meant that everyone in Iceland took an enormous hit in terms of real wages, and because most Icelandic mortgages are linked to the Euro theses have effectively doubled, while their homes have halved in value, leaving much of the population in negative equity. They have enacted massive austerity, more than any country in Europe bar Greece, slashing their deficit from 15% to less than 1%. The fall in living standards has been severe enough that the Icelandic people voted the parties that came into power after the rejection of bailout terms out of office, and reelected the party that was in power before the crash. The lesson to be learned from Iceland is that economic collapse means pain, no matter what you do.

someoneionceknew ID5590609 29 Jun 2015 04:50

Do you realize that the European rules prevent the ECB from funding member countries, as well as prohibiting national bailouts

Sure. But why aren't you Germans subject to the rules too?

The rules don't work. They can be changed fairly easily. Why not if it stops people starving and otherwise being persecuted through no fault of their own?


ID5590609 mjmizera 29 Jun 2015 04:38

Creditors already took a 50% haircut on Greece debt, and the conditions of Greece's bailout loans were extremely generous, with very low interest rates and exceptionally long payment terms. The terms and conditions were better than what was offered to Spain, Portugal and Ireland, and those countries actually implemented the demanded austerity reforms and are now experiencing growth.

Greeks don't need their debt forgiven. Greeks need to start paying taxes and reforming and managing their economy like a respectable first world nation, not some banana republic. Why should Europeans and others show solidarity with Greeks when Greeks fail to show solidarity with their own people and their democratically elected government?


Overdog81 29 Jun 2015 04:36

The past Greek politicians are responsible for bringing this debt to current levels. There's no doubt about this.

However, the current government found itself at the edge of a cliff. 6 months of negotiations and the issue of restructuring or writing off a non viable debt never came on the table by Greece's creditors. Basically Greece is begging for money that only go towards paying this huge debt and never into the real economy. Austerity measures are applied just to pay the debt's interest which has become huge (twice the size of Ireland's and Portugal's combined) .

What Syriza is doing now is the only option it has in order to make the debt viable and end austerity for its people. The timing of the referendum on friday night and capital controls on Sunday night (banks closed for a week and stock market closed on Monday) point towards this way. Its a huge gamble in order to reach an agreement but possibly the only hand Greece could play in order to shake off the markets and thus its creditors.

I truly hope an agreement is reached before the referendum so that everyone walks out happy especially Varoufakis and the Greek people who would get the best deal they could ever dream of. On the other side, a debt relief decision seems the only road for the imf and eu partners. Its a debt that could never be paid anyway so why risk?


Arthur Buse 29 Jun 2015 04:36

I had thought it was only Samuri that chose harakiri. But Alexis has done the EU a great kindness by throwing the Greek people to the dogs of famine. He has helped the cause of breaking up the Euro and even, dare we hope, the EU. Ever closer union was always a grave danger. It never went well for the USSR and it ended in tragedy. The EU will eventually go the same way. The USA is quite different. They adopted a common language before trying for a common currency and common Federal taxes. The EU will not manage the former and has not got the will to manage the latter. The Euro was therefore always doomed and now the EU needs to return to individual currencies and the EEC.

> ID5590609 29 Jun 2015 04:34

Germany is the largest net contributor to the EU. They will bear the brunt of any aid extended to Greece.

If Germans bear any loss then it is their own foolishness for trusting their politicians. Why are Germans on the hook for bailing out their own banks?

Greece has been an economic failure for their entire modern history, including well before they joined the Euro. They want to be live and be treated like a rich first world economy, yet run their country like banana republic. It's readily apparent that other Europeans will no longer fund or subsidize a lifestyle that Greeks cannot independently afford. Greece essentially partied on northern European largesse, but the bill is now due.

That's just cut and paste racist cant. Germans should know better given their history.

Your feelings about capitalism

Oh, you still don't understand what mercantilism means? Good lord.

but what do you think is going to happen when Greece is "independent" and has to reintroduce the Drachma.

Depends on many factors I'd say. But what are you offering?

ID5590609 someoneionceknew 29 Jun 2015 04:23

Germany is the largest net contributor to the EU. They will bear the brunt of any aid extended to Greece. That is why the opinion of the Germans is so important when considering any action on Greece.

Greece has been an economic failure for their entire modern history, including well before they joined the Euro. They want to be live and be treated like a rich first world economy, yet run their country like banana republic. It's readily apparent that other Europeans will no longer fund or subsidize a lifestyle that Greeks cannot independently afford. Greece essentially partied on northern European largesse, but the bill is now due.

Your feelings about capitalism notwithstanding, things must drastically change in Greece. You claim to oppose the Eurogroup's and IMF's purportedly cruel demand for austerity and reform. That's fine, but what do you think is going to happen when Greece is "independent" and has to reintroduce the Drachma. Socialist solidarity is not going to fund imports of food, fuel, medicine and other essentials. There will be austerity in Greece, either organized with their European partners, or resulting from the chaos of financial incompetence. Greece is going to have to continue to painfully adjust to a lifestyle commiserate with their true GDP, earnings and economic value. The good old days are gone.

> ID5590609 29 Jun 2015 04:05

They're not asking for money or aid?

They are not asking for Herr Schauble's (or his ilks') money or aid.

major economic reforms

More counterproductive austerity. More poverty, more privation, more labour bashing, more suicides.

"mercantilism" (which I assume is meant as a juvenile reference to capitalism)

So I'm dealing with an idiot.

Germany has generally learned the political and economic lessons from their own unfortunate history, everyone from WW1 reparations and the risks of inflation, the horrors of WWII,

Clearly it has not. Quite the opposite.


Carlo47 29 Jun 2015 04:03

Only the American Treasure understood the gravity of the situation, but it's odd that they don't give appropriate instructions to the IMF and namely to the chauvinist Ms Lagrande, who continues in its absurd hard line more on measures that on the debt.

On the other end Mr Schäuble and Mr Dijsselbloem must be happy that investors flee.

They have only have a bit of patience, until the contagion will arrive in Germany and Holland.

Anyhow, if they are honest, both should resign for clear inability to do their job and to understand the heavy drawbacks of their dummy hard line, as supposed and false financial experts.

The German Government and the EU heads should slap the door in their face and send them away.


CanadaChuck ID9492736 29 Jun 2015 03:53

I had thought that Greece was unimportant overall in the EU. What will happen when Italy and Spain collapse? I guess the UK won't have to bother leaving the EU.


Ian Crowther slingsby1000 29 Jun 2015 03:49

Agreed Slingsby, so a lot depends on the post management of crisis as we see in Argentina and Turkey, its not plain sailing, far from it. But being enslaved is worse, and paying on the never never, feeding German and French income is not the way to go Fault lies on both sides, nobody comes out of this smelling of roses.

The EU construct was a nonsense form the very start, a union of unequals, instabilities and too many externalities to manage that technocrats have little idea on how to manage in complex situations.


Lanceowenmorgan Kompe75 29 Jun 2015 03:42

Ya the Forth Reich is coming and it seems Putin is the only one smart enough to see it


ID9492736 29 Jun 2015 03:40

Barely half an hour after opening, the German Stock Exchange index (DAX) is down almost 5%, which is dangerously close to a system meltdown. The German moneymasters are trying to intervene by pumping money into the exchange, but it's like putting a band-aid on the collapsing levee. The German nuclear reactor is overheating uncontrollably.


Xenkar Stivell 29 Jun 2015 03:34

True, ordinary people in Europe need to stand up and support the people of Greece, but sadly as spiceof so eloquently put it

"These little conformists, the lowly prison guards of the elites, are the lowest form of humanity. Spiteful and small minded, they always want to "punish" those who dare raise their heads and complain."

MrEurope Lupick 29 Jun 2015 03:31

You do realize that what you wrote is beyond ignorance...? While I agree that the way market-news is brought is excessively dramatic, markets ARE for a large part a reflection of human productive activity, and productive activity tends to be... you know... the stuff that makes people money. Jobs. Earnings... roof over your head, and so forth... these things quite obviously matter.

The problem is that humans absolutely suck at understanding the long term consequences and impact of small, tiny little (negative, but also positive) changes that accumulate over time.

You know the famous example that if Jesus would have put one dollar in his bank account, he would (assuming 3% per annum interest) by the year 1000 he would have 7,080,467,438,104.71 dollars. (and more money than ever has or will exist in the history of Earth by 2015...) 3% does not sound like much... but all these small little additions do add up. And so if you're living in a world where every week or two there is a minor crisis here or there.... eventually it starts to matter. A lot. People put off investing. They spend less. There are less jobs... (which in turn compounds the problems...) and on it goes.

Bottom line is - you and I know fuck all about advanced economics, just like the vast majority of posters here.


Stivell 29 Jun 2015 03:28

Lagarde and the European leaders have forced Greece into this corner and really should expect nothing more than the Greeks turning and baring their teeth. Ordinary people in Europe need to stand up and support the people of Greece against these relentless scaremongering money-obsessed bastards. Go Greece, bite that hand!


Kompe75 29 Jun 2015 03:25

If the Schaueble , Merkel and Jean Claude don't resign after the upcoming fiasco , then the investors will fire them.Remember my prediction.They will have a bitter end than DSK.


D9492736 royaldocks 29 Jun 2015 03:16

If you really, seriously believe that EU economy is so competitive that it can turn on the dime and adjust to the coming global economic meldown to its advantage and do so in the current political and economic timespace , I have a BIG surprise for you: you are dangerously delusional.

First of all, the prices of ALL commodities, raw and unprocessed material EU economy needs to keep going are going to get sky-high because EUR will be hemorrhaging value until cows come home. And even if Mario Draghi and the idiots from Eurogroup come back to their senses tomorrow, it will have been too late: they already committed an act of economic suicide, and it is really too late to stop the head exit wound from bleeding to death now. Secondly, with the investors quitting the stock bubble like crazy, the amount of discretionary spending and funded demand is going to go down like a rock: Europe will be hit with AT LEAST a quadruple -whammy: (a) rigid and dogmatic austerity and money-supply strangulation (b) supply chain disruption (c) extremely weak demand and massively negative growth and (d) catastrophic consumer confidence index. Add to this list of nightmares a never-ending flow of migrants and refugees, ever-increasing pressure on social services, cost of funding of wars and military operations in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Aghanistan and elsewhere, the massive losses caused by the American-imposed sanctions against Russia (by most accounts, somewhere between $100 and $150 billion), the cost of containing the situation in Ukraine and bankrolling the bankrupt Ukrainian government and - on top of it all - servicing the sovereign debt, and you get a much clearer picture. There is absolutely no way - not even a hypothetical chance - that European economy can weather out this tsunami unaffected and unharmed. EU should consider itself lucky if they do not lose 20-30% of its entire economy in the next month or so.

If I were a German retiree, I would be queuing up at the local ATMs as we speak. Because, yes, it's the end of the Eurozone as we know it.


spiceof 29 Jun 2015 03:12

Amazing how the Greek subject matter brings forth the establishment sadists out en masse, demanding that punishment, penury and the bubonic plague be visited upon that rebellious country.

These little conformists, the lowly prison guards of the elites, are the lowest form of humanity. Spiteful and small minded, they always want to "punish" those who dare raise their heads and complain.

iruka Lupick 29 Jun 2015 02:56

Important point.

Of course it's worth bearing in mind that people like StrategicVoice213 aren't really concerned with contrasting good people and bad people, lazy people and hard-working people, etc..

Take a closer look, and 99 times out of 100 it's amply clear that their only real interest is in defending the authority and legitimacy of the institutions that they see being threatened or insulted by those they're calumnying.

The actual behaviour or character of this person or that nation is of no real consequence to 213's . Any old lie, projection or blinkered misconstruction will do.

It's the need to preserve sanctified hierarchies of power that engages them.

Or more accurately (since they're clearly all sad little creatures of no importance whatsoever, and no capacity to preserve anything, for whom an identification with power provides them with something clearly lacking in their actual lives) it's the need to glorify power, and all its ways and entitlements.


Lanceowenmorgan slingsby1000 29 Jun 2015 02:55

Who the fuck was the dumb ass(es) who would lend Greece all that money?
€386,000,000,000 to a country with a population of what 6-10 million? That's mathematics son you can argue with me but you can't argue with figures. Apologies to Foghorn Leghorn. But I think all comes down to greed.


truthbetold13 borninthe80s 29 Jun 2015 02:50

Such a pathetic cliche, a real twatcherite/conmoron lie. By bloated public sector you just mean that more things are run by the government instead of by big business. Nobody here being ripped off by utilities/ rail/private landlords etc thinks this is a better arrangement. What you have is higher prices, worse service, less equal pay within those sectors, systemic tax evasion by business and its bosses. Give me a state controlled service any day.


JohnnyMorales 29 Jun 2015 02:45

This should be the quote of the day:

Mitsuo Shimizu, deputy general manager at Japan Asia Securities Group in Tokyo, told Bloomberg News: "In the face of pressure from the eurozone to accept austerity measures, the Greeks answered that it's hard to live just on water."

The Japanese have never been considered softies. If they are describing the EU demands as too much, then they are definitely too much.


FactualEvidence 29 Jun 2015 02:45

The EU needs Britain to stay in the EU for one reason only and its financial.

The EU have ploughed in billions and billions of tax payers money into several different countries bailouts not just Greece, including Portugal, Spain, Cyprus, Ireland, Hungary, Latvia and Romania.
A total amount of 487.75 BILLION Euros has been given to these countries and that's since just 2008.
So rather than the EU getting stronger as united nation's it is getting worse.

The EU Commission, MEP's, LIBLABCON parties and BBC don't tell you that information. You have to research it yourselves on Wikipedia.

So my three questions to all those Europhiles are.
If being in the EU is so great how come so many countries have to rely on hand out?

If so many countries need billions to even provide essential services to survive. Where is this great trading economy?

Why is it not working for so many millions of people?

Go to Wikipedia and see how the monetary crisis is getting worse for all the countries not better.
Google : European Debt Crisis, and check out the chart around the middle of a very long page.

Were would the EU be without the billions we put in to it and on top of that all the VAT tax they get from us, YES VAT. Did you know that it was through EU ruling you pay VAT on your utility bills?


philbo Miamijim 29 Jun 2015 02:36

The IMF is mainly responsible for this mess.

ID9492736 stringvestor 29 Jun 2015 02:36

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/29/markets-global-idUSL4N0ZE0IK20150629

betrynol 29 Jun 2015 02:32

Good thing Europe is ring-fenced to the risk of contagion....

The ECB will have to buy more Spanish and Italian bonds this week than the entire Greek debt, and then bailout these countries so they can buy back the bonds (Greek style). Oh well, if they say they've got it covered, it's fine I suppose... (shakes head in haughty derision).

ID9492736 29 Jun 2015 02:32

A picture worth $60 trillion words:

http://www.allstocks.com/markets/World_Charts/world_charts.html

The only markets still in the black are the markets that haven't opened yet. When DAX and FTSE open, the shit tsunami is REALLY going to hit the austerity fans.


JohnnyMorales 29 Jun 2015 02:29

The loss of value across the world even if most of it is just temporary is many many times more than Greece's entire debt.

Yet because the EU troika wanted to win a moral battle and teach a wayward Greece a moral lesson and make impossible demands and accept the humiliation entailed in caving they opted to create those losses.

Greece only asked for some extra help. They did not make outrageous demands like the troika.

If anything good comes out of this may it be the end of the careers of those who think the financial world is the proper place to stage morality plays devoid of any financial purpose which cost far more than the alternative.


Ian Crowther 29 Jun 2015 02:28

This is the end game, and has been Greece's plan from the new Government taking power. The left want Grexit, and they will get what they wish for now, independence from a failing political and financial EU construct.

This may work well for Greece in the mid term, sure, its going to be tough on the people, but at least the Government will not be debt slaves now, reset the currency, devalue the economy so it can compete again, lower taxation to bring in big business, and begin to build a new economy based on what the Greek people want, rather than 85% of the money Greece leant eventually being paid back to the rentiers from which the cash came. Now zero will be repaid, and EU banks will have to suffer the losses, a drop in recapitalisation, and a hit to the recovery.


Lanceowenmorgan ID9492736 29 Jun 2015 02:24

I agree. FUCK ALL YOU NEOLIBERAL & NEOCON mother fuckers


LeonardPynchon borninthe80s 29 Jun 2015 02:24

Some perspective in the below piece - might help you:

https://theconversation.com/greece-woes-show-how-the-politics-of-debt-failed-europe-42787

The Financial Times' leading commentator Martin Wolf recently argued that "the vast bulk of the official loans to Greece were not made for its benefit at all, but for that of its feckless private creditors", that is, primarily, European banks and financial institutions. After exposing the futility of austerity, ex-IMF economic advisor Jeffrey Sachs recently declared: "Europe's leaders are hiding behind a mountain of pious, nonsensical rhetoric" risking an economic and social disaster "in order to insist on collecting some crumbs from the country's pensioners".

Describing the treatment of Greece as "the Iraq War of finance", Daily Telegraph's Ambrose Evans-Pritchard wrote: "rarely in modern times have we witnessed such a display of petulance and bad judgement by those supposed to be in charge of global financial stability."


dzogchen 29 Jun 2015 02:23

Five lost years for the Greeks it seems. From the market's perspective those years have been all about maneuvering the banks from out of risk. Now that work is done as the losses are laid squarely in the public lap. The markets of course don't give half a toss about Greek people, empathy isn't part of their nature, so might as well do what should have been done five years ago. All the best to the people who will pay the price for all this shenanigans. Kali tihi!

BeamEcho Tim Roberts 29 Jun 2015 02:21

This is not new for the IMF, their mandate includes providing policy advice to their members. They review the economic policies of their members. When they lend money they require economic policy changes...

Ian Crowther IndependentScott 29 Jun 2015 02:18

Greece will not have to repay the debt, they will walk away, default and never repay. It is the banking system and rehypothecated debt that will suffer, and the banks that have leant the money to France and Germany. European banks have only just been recapitalised, and losing another €300-400bn will hit the Euro recovery hard at a time when QE is being rolled out. The answer will be print more money.

Normin 29 Jun 2015 02:17

The banksters are just waiting for a scapegoat to pin their non sustainable economic system failure on. Meanwhile the elite will profit as the masses bleed. It can't go on like this forever it's just a matter of when.

Kompe75 29 Jun 2015 02:14

Juncker announces a campaign to support "YES" at the greek referendum..

Another sign these people consist the out-of-touch neoliberal elite..

Does he really believe Greeks , who have suffered enormously , will sign a appalling deal that's going to define the misery of generations for the next decades ? Just because he wants to remain President in the dictatorship of Brussels ? I live for the moment Juncker comes in Athens...the whole place will go up in flames.

john4108 29 Jun 2015 02:09

yes all going acording to plan the sacred " markets" are indulging in the usual lemmng like behaviour while the banksrs try to convince everyone that,the have the medicine that we all need . Casino capitalism writ large. Eventually, unless we want endlessly repeated crises and utter destruction on this plant, mankind will have to come up,with a more resilient economic system.

Islam is waiting in the wings and usory is a crime in the Koran. Of course Jesus threw the money lenders out of the temple....but Judeo-christianity has conveniently forgotten that.

[Jun 28, 2015] Former Finance Minister of Cyprus on the Greek Crisis

"...The troika clearly did a reverse Corleone - they made Tsipras an offer he can't accept, and presumably did this knowingly. So the ultimatum was, in effect, a move to replace the Greek government. And even if you don't like Syriza, that has to be disturbing for anyone who believes in European ideals...."
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"...This is nothing more than a neo-liberal play. They just don't want to strip their pensions, but infrastructure as well. They should be making the requirements of the loan for deep pension cuts and money for investments which would help build up Greece's economy and the end for these bailouts. The fact they aren't doing that, but trying to confiscate it instead, which is the real issue. "
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"..."IMF and Germany Are Hell-Bent on Finishing Off Even a Moderate Left in Greece" "Indeed, the leftist Greek government failed to see that what Europe's neoliberal elite was after, especially after being fully aware of the fact that Athens had no alternative plan, was not merely a humiliating Greek deal for the Syriza-led government but finishing them off completely to send a message to all potential "troublemakers" in the euro area of the fate awaiting them if they dared challenge the neoliberal, austerity-based orthodoxy of the new Rome." "
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"...Panicky depositors spent the weekend pulling an estimated one billion euros from the banking system, stashing the cash in their houses or exchanging them for bulging bags of gold coins."
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"...There are not as many hedge funds in Greece as there were a year ago, when it is estimated that around 100 foreign funds were sitting on big investment stakes. Their bet was that the previous Greek government would be able to complete the arduous process of economic reform in Greece that started five years ago."
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"...Most of the hedge fund money in Greece is invested in about 30 billion euros of freshly minted Greek government debt securities that emerged from the 2012 restructuring of private sector bonds."
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"...Among the most dubious of these, was a 10 percent equity stake, then worth about $137 million, that Mr. Paulson's hedge fund took last year in the Athens water monopoly. The company had little debt and was slated to be privatized, making it an attractive prospect at the time."
Jun 28, 2015 | Economist's View
Peter K.:

Mr Sarris seems a little like a Davos Man.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/29/business/dealbook/panic-among-hedge-fund-investors-in-greece.html

Panic Among Hedge Fund Investors in Greece

By LANDON THOMAS Jr.

JUNE 28, 2015

ATHENS - For investors around the world looking at Greece, there was but one question Sunday: What is going to happen when the markets open on Monday?

That question is particularly acute for the hedge fund investors - including luminaries like David Einhorn and John Paulson - who have collectively poured more than 10 billion euros into Greek government bonds, bank stocks and a slew of other investments.

This weekend, Nicholas L. Papapolitis, a corporate lawyer here, was working around the clock comforting and cajoling his frantic hedge fund clients.

"People are freaking out," said the 32-year-old Mr. Papapolitis, his eyes red and his voice hoarse. "They have made some really big bets on Greece.

But there is no getting around the truth of the matter, he said. Without a deal with its European creditors, the country will default and Greek stocks and bonds will tank when the markets open.

On the ground here, the surprise decision of the Greek prime minister, Alexis Tsipras, to hold a referendum has turned what was a bank jog into more of a sprint with most Greeks now fearing that the country's depleted banks will be closed on Monday.

Panicky depositors spent the weekend pulling an estimated one billion euros from the banking system, stashing the cash in their houses or exchanging them for bulging bags of gold coins.

The yields on Greek government bonds, now around 12 percent are expected to soar as investors rush to unload their positions in a market that of late has become extremely hard to trade.

Bank stocks, if the stock market, in fact, opens, will also be hit with a selling wave, as they cannot survive if the European Central Bank withdraws its emergency lending program.

There are not as many hedge funds in Greece as there were a year ago, when it is estimated that around 100 foreign funds were sitting on big investment stakes. Their bet was that the previous Greek government would be able to complete the arduous process of economic reform in Greece that started five years ago.

When it became clear that a radical Syriza government under Mr. Tsipras would come to power, many investors quickly turned heel, dumping their Greek government bonds and bank stocks in large numbers before and after the election.

But a brave, hardy few stayed put - around 40 to 50, local brokers estimate - taking the view that while the new left-wing government could hardly be described as investor friendly, it would ultimately agree to a deal with Europe. It would be a bumpy ride for sure, but for those taking the long view that Greece would remain in the eurozone, holding onto their investments as opposed to selling them in a panic seemed the better course of action.

For now, at least, that seems to be a terrible misjudgment, especially if Greece defaults and leaves the euro.

Most of the hedge fund money in Greece is invested in about 30 billion euros of freshly minted Greek government debt securities that emerged from the 2012 restructuring of private sector bonds.

The largest investors include Japonica Partners in Rhode Island, the French investment funds H20 and Carmignac and an assortment of other hedge funds like, Farallon, Fortress, York Capital, Baupost, Knighthead and Greylock Capital.

A number of hedge funds have also made big bets on Greek banks, despite their thin levels of capital and nonperforming loans of around 50 percent of assets.

They include Mr. Einhorn at Greenlight Capital and Mr. Paulson, both of whom have invested and lost considerable sums in Piraeus Bank. Fairfax Financial Holdings and the distressed investor Wilbur Ross own a large stake in Eurobank, one Greece's four main banks.

Big positions have also been taken in some of Greece's largest companies. Fortress Capital bought $100 million in discounted debt belonging to Attica Holdings, Greece's largest ferry boat holder. York Capital has taken a 10 percent stake in GEK Terna, a prominent Greek construction and energy firm.

In 2014, Blackstone's credit arm bought a 10 percent chunk of the Greek real estate developer Lamda Development. And Third Point, one of the earliest, most successful investors in Greek government bonds, has set up a $750 million Greek equity fund.

Many of these forays were made during the heady days of 2013 and early 2014 when the view was that, in a rock bottom global interest rate environment, risky Greek assets looked attractive, especially if the reform process continued.

Among the most dubious of these, was a 10 percent equity stake, then worth about $137 million, that Mr. Paulson's hedge fund took last year in the Athens water monopoly. The company had little debt and was slated to be privatized, making it an attractive prospect at the time.

But the privatization process is now frozen and the monopoly is struggling to collect payment on its bills from near broke government entities, making it unlikely that Mr. Paulson will get much of his money back.

To be sure, many of these hedge funds are enormous and their Greek investments represent a fairly small slice of their overall portfolio.

Mr. Papapolitis, who used to work at Skadden Arps law firm in New York structuring exotic real estate deals, moved back to Greece in 2008 and has led some of the biggest hedge fund deals in the market.

Of the same age and generation as many of his clients, he feels their pain.

"These guys are my friends," he said. "They invested in Greece when the economy was improving. And now this happens - I feel obliged to be there for them."

He is not the only point man for hedge funds coming to Greece.

Last week, a group of about 12 of the largest remaining hedge funds arrived in Athens to attend a seminar organized by George Linatsas, a founding partner of Axia Ventures, an investment bank that specializes in Greece, Cyprus, Portugal and Italy, as well as shipping.

With all the large investment banks and law firms having largely given up on Greece, Mr. Linatsas and his team of analysts became the main port of call for hedge funds that started buying Greek government bonds in 2012.

Then, the bonds were trading at 12 cents on the euro and they soon shot up to 60 cents, making billions of dollars for those early investors.

"People made their careers on that trade," Mr. Linatsas said. "The problem now is politics and whether there is a government that can take this country to the next stage."

The outlook seems grim.

Indeed, in recent months these investors have spent little time breaking down balance sheets or discounting cash flows. Instead, they have spent every effort trying to figure out what the Syriza government is up to.

Some have tried to get an edge by listening to Greek radio. Others have hired outside firms to study video clips of Mr. Tsipras and his finance minister, Yanis Varoufakis, to try and discern from body movement and voice tone whether they are telling the truth. And an increasing number have resorted to begging journalists for inside scuttlebutt.

Because few Syriza officials will meet with the investors, a large number of them have banded together, an unusual occurrence in an industry that puts the highest of premiums on secrecy. They exchange tips and theories via emails when they are apart and over wine-soaked dinners in Athens during their frequent trips here.

At times the swankiest hotel in town, the Hotel Grande Bretagne (or G.B. as it is commonly known) is so chock full of hedge fund executives (mostly in their 30s) that some have called it the G.G.B. - the acronym for Greek government bonds.

In recent days, as it has become clear that the Syriza government was not going to accept the latest proposal from its creditors, stress and anxiety has, in some cases, turned to outright anger.

"I just can't believe these guys are willing to torch their own country," one investor with a large holding of Greek bonds lamented in an email. "They thought this was a game. Now, when the supermarkets run out of food, gas stations run out of gas, hospitals have no medicine, tourists flee, salaries don't get paid because banks shut - what are they going to do?"

Peter K. -> Peter K....

""I just can't believe these guys are willing to torch their own country," one investor with a large holding of Greek bonds lamented in an email."

How ideological do you have to be to not understand that the Troika already torched the country and that the Greeks voted in Syriza becasue 5 years on there was no light at the end of the tunnel.

I hope there's a Grexit even if the Troika forces it because the referendum took place after Monday's deadline. Syriza should really study all of the past defaults of other countries.

Paine -> Peter K....

This Sarris gent suggest the Syriza team should have proposed " bold reforms " early on


List em mr S... List em

He however seems to understands the original sin was
The elites decision to bail the private northern banks out

Of course the people of Greece must pay for that sin.

RGC:

"IMF and Germany Are Hell-Bent on Finishing Off Even a Moderate Left in Greece"

"Indeed, the leftist Greek government failed to see that what Europe's neoliberal elite was after, especially after being fully aware of the fact that Athens had no alternative plan, was not merely a humiliating Greek deal for the Syriza-led government but finishing them off completely to send a message to all potential "troublemakers" in the euro area of the fate awaiting them if they dared challenge the neoliberal, austerity-based orthodoxy of the new Rome."

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/31596-imf-and-germany-are-hell-bent-on-finishing-off-even-a-moderate-left-in-greece

pgl:
Real GDP per person in Cyprus:

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/cyprus/gdp-per-capita

The crash has brought this done to where it was in 2000. Why did they join the Euro system in the first place? Why would anyone listen to the finance minister of this nation?

Paine -> pgl...

Precisely put

Only a corporate lackey corrupted stooge or stool pigeon

Peter K. -> Peter K....

Greece's own central banker, Yannis Stournaras said in a statement after the European Central Bank decision on Sunday that the Greek central bank would "take all measures necessary to ensure financial stability for Greek citizens in these difficult circumstances."

Before negotiations broke off on Saturday between Athens and its creditors, the Tsipras government had been hoping to reach terms that would free up a €7.2 billion allotment of bailout money that the country needs to meet its short-term debt obligations.

Because European officials said on Saturday that Greece's €240 billion bailout program would not be extended, the big question had been whether the central bank's president, Mario Draghi, would continue financing the country's depleted banks.

Guidelines of the European Central Bank dictate that it can keep supporting troubled banks as long as there is a possibility that the country in question will come to terms with its creditors on a bailout - as was the case with Cyprus.

If Athens and its creditors do not resume talks before Tuesday, the promise of European support for Greece may no longer be on the table. But the European Commission, the executive arm of the European Union and a key broker in the debt talks, seemed on Sunday to reach out to the Greek people, unexpectedly publishing the offer made to Greece before Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras ended the negotiations and announced a national referendum.

The publication was designed to show the lengths to which the creditors, including the I.M.F. and the European Central Bank, had gone to satisfy Athens's demands for a deal that avoided hurting ordinary Greeks, said one European Union official with direct knowledge of the decision to publish the offer. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the institutions had not ruled out a resumption of talks with Mr. Tsipras on the sensitive issue of extending the bailout.

"This is a last bridge we are building for them," said the official. The goal of publishing the document was also to pressure "Mr. Tsipras to change course and choose to mount a 'yes' campaign" in the upcoming referendum, the official said.

The official acknowledged there was a slim chance that Mr. Tsipras would accede to the terms so soon after abandoning the negotiations. But if Mr. Tsipras did change course, that could lead to a meeting of leaders of the eurozone member states on Monday night to try one more time to reach a deal before the expiration of the bailout.

On Saturday, amid intense discussions between Greece and its creditors, officials representing the I.M.F., to which Greece owes €1.6 billion on Tuesday, were trying to persuade European leaders and Mr. Draghi to keep the bank emergency assistance flowing. And on Sunday, the head of the I.M.F., Christine Lagarde, waved an olive branch toward Greece.

In a statement, Ms. Lagarde expressed her "disappointment'' in the "inconclusive outcome of recent discussions on Greece in Brussels.''

"I shared my disappointment and underscored our commitment to continue to engage with the Greek authorities," she said, adding that the I.M.F. would ''continue to carefully monitor developments in Greece and other countries in the vicinity and stands ready to provide assistance as needed.''

Early Sunday, the Greek Parliament approved Mr. Tsipras's request for a public referendum on the proposal offer by Greece's creditors, with the vote to be held next Sunday. Mr. Tsipras and other Greek officials had asked European officials and Mr. Draghi to keep the central bank assistance in place until the vote.

The European Central Bank's decision on Sunday to cap the emergency loan program, as opposed to canceling it, "allows the Greek banks to remain in a sort of coma – not functioning but not dead," said Karl Whelan, an economics professor at University College in Dublin. That way, he said, the Greek financial system might be revived if at some later point if Greece secures a deal with its creditors.

Raoul Ruparel, an economist and co-director of Open Europe, a London-based research group, said the rupture between Greece and its creditors on Saturday was unlikely to mean a definitive end to negotiations, instead becoming "merely a prelude" to yet more talks in a week or so after Greece holds its referendum.

"I think we are just getting started on this merry-go-round," Mr. Ruparel said, predicting that Greek voters would probably vote to endorse proposals put forward by creditors and rejected by the Tsipras government. "We would then be back where we started, only in a worse situation," he added. Because the current program will have expired by then, Greece and its creditors would need to negotiate a new bailout - most likely a short-term deal - in an atmosphere poisoned by even deeper distrust than before.

"The whole thing is absolute nightmare,'' Mr. Ruparel said. ''I have been following this saga for five years, and it is depressingly tedious."

leoFromChicago:

Guy is totally business-as-usual.

I'm hardly an expert on Greece but if you were about to make a difficult decision -- say, exit the Euro -- you might want a dramatic display of public backing say, in the form of a referendum.

Peter K.:

For JohnH and Mr. Roger Fox:

http://www.cepr.net/blogs/beat-the-press/the-warnings-from-the-bank-of-international-settlements-have-been-ignored-because-they-have-been-wrong

The Warnings from the Bank of International Settlements Have Been Ignored Because They Have Been Wrong

by Dean Baker

Published: 28 June 2015

The Wall Street Journal passed along warnings from the Bank of International Settlements (BIS) that central banks should start to curtail monetary expansion and that governments need to reduce their debt levels. The piece tells readers:

"The BIS has issued similar warnings in recent years concerning an overreliance on monetary policy, but its advice has gone largely unheeded."

It is worth noting that the BIS has been consistently wrong in prior years, warning as early as 2011 about the prospects of higher inflation due to expansionary monetary policy:

"But despite the obvious near-term price pressures, break-even inflation expectations at distant horizons remained relatively stable, suggesting that central banks' long-term credibility was intact, at least for the time being.

"But controlling inflation in the long term will require policy tightening. And with short-term inflation up, that means a quicker normalisation of policy
rates."

Since that date, the major central banks of the world have been struggling with lower than desired inflation and doing whatever they could to raise the rate of inflation. It would have been helpful to readers to point out that the BIS has been hugely wrong in its past warnings, so people in policy positions appear to have been right to ignore them. This is likely still the case.

anne:

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/06/28/grisis/

June 28, 2015

Grisis
By Paul Krugman

OK, this is real: Greek banks closed, capital controls imposed. Grexit isn't a hard stretch from here - the much feared mother of all bank runs has already happened, which means that the cost-benefit analysis starting from here is much more favorable to euro exit than it ever was before.

Clearly, though, some decisions now have to wait on the referendum.

I would vote no, for two reasons. First, much as the prospect of euro exit frightens everyone - me included - the troika is now effectively demanding that the policy regime of the past five years be continued indefinitely. Where is the hope in that? Maybe, just maybe, the willingness to leave will inspire a rethink, although probably not. But even so, devaluation couldn't create that much more chaos than already exists, and would pave the way for eventual recovery, just as it has in many other times and places. Greece is not that different.

Second, the political implications of a yes vote would be deeply troubling. The troika clearly did a reverse Corleone - they made Tsipras an offer he can't accept, and presumably did this knowingly. So the ultimatum was, in effect, a move to replace the Greek government. And even if you don't like Syriza, that has to be disturbing for anyone who believes in European ideals.

A strange logistical note: I'm on semi-vacation this week, doing a bicycle trip in an undisclosed location. It's only a semi-vacation because I didn't negotiate any days off the column; I'll be in tomorrow's paper (hmm, I wonder what the subject is) and have worked the logistics so as to make Friday's column doable too. I was planning to do little if any blogging, and will in any case do less than I might have otherwise given the events.

anne -> anne...
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/06/28/grisis/

June 28, 2015

Grisis
By Paul Krugman

Clearly, though, some decisions now have to wait on the referendum.

I would vote no, for two reasons. First, much as the prospect of euro exit frightens everyone - me included - the troika * is now effectively demanding that the policy regime of the past five years be continued indefinitely. Where is the hope in that? Maybe, just maybe, the willingness to leave will inspire a rethink, although probably not. But even so, devaluation couldn't create that much more chaos than already exists, and would pave the way for eventual recovery, just as it has in many other times and places. Greece is not that different.

Second, the political implications of a yes vote would be deeply troubling. The troika clearly did a reverse Corleone - they made Tsipras an offer he can't accept, and presumably did this knowingly. So the ultimatum was, in effect, a move to replace the Greek government. And even if you don't like Syriza, that has to be disturbing for anyone who believes in European ideals....

* European Union Commission, EuropeanCentral Bank, and International Monetary Fund

Paine -> anne...

Pk has really shown a leadership side here
Not contrarian
Progressive leadership

Vote no !

Praise be to PK

Ben Groves:

This is nothing more than a neo-liberal play. They just don't want to strip their pensions, but infrastructure as well. They should be making the requirements of the loan for deep pension cuts and money for investments which would hel build up Greece's economy and the end for these bailouts. The fact they aren't doing that, but trying to confiscate it instead, which is the real issue. If Greece wants their fat pension system, that is their choice.

I don't see anything different than post WWI Germany. This is what Libertarianism will bring to the West if implemented. They would dismantle the current power structure and replace it with a privately controlled syndicate dictating wealth much like today. This is not new, it has been going on since the rise of Abrahamic religions in the west.

Fred C. Dobbs -> Lafayette...

Greece is doomed - Matt Yglesias - June 27 http://www.vox.com/2015/6/27/8856297/greece-referendum-euro via @voxdotcom

(Various useful links, at the link.)

... to understand the deeper causes of what's been going on since Tsipras' government swept to power in January, you really need to set the finance and economics aside and focus on the politics. Greece has been drawing dead this whole time, and the future outlook appears bleak for one simple reason - nobody else in Europe who holds power has any interest in making things anything other than painful for Greece.

1) Giving Greece a better deal would be a political disaster

Tsipras' fundamental miscalculation has been that he thought that by cloaking his specific requests for more lenient terms in the larger cause of anti-austerity politics, he could build a coalition of political support throughout Europe for his position. The reality was just the opposite. While politicians in Europe's creditor nations were naturally reluctant to grant Greece a better deal, politicians in Europe's debtor nations were even more opposed.

After all, if electing a bunch of far-left types to parliament so they can demand a better deal actually worked, then voters in Portugal and Spain and Italy and Ireland would take note of that fact. And the last thing the current crop of elected officials in Lisbon and Madrid and Rome and Dublin want is to all be turned out in favor of a bunch of far-left types.

2) Letting Greece default gracefully would be a disaster

Even if Greece's European partners weren't inclined to give Greece a better financial deal, they could have at least smoothed the path to default. A Greece that doesn't pay what it owes would be instantly cut off from credit markets and forced to run a very austere fiscal policy.

It's in Europe's interest to make things as hard as possible for Greece

Things could have been left at that. Instead, throughout the year, the European Central Bank has been saying that it will cut the Greek banking system off from emergency funding if Greece doesn't keep paying its debts. That means default will lead to the collapse of Greek banks, and the end of Greek membership in the euro.

That's a political decision the ECB isn't legally required to make. But politically it's the only possible decision. After all, if a default works out non-disastrously for Greece then other countries could be tempted to default. And international investors might worry that other countries could be tempted to default, raising interest rates and slowing the European economy. Only making default as painful as possible can safeguard the interests of other countries.

3) Letting Greece leave the Eurozone gracefully would be a disaster

Here's where the news gets really bad for Greece. Leaving the Eurozone could, in theory, go better or worse. But Europe needs it to go as badly as possible. After all, if Greece leaving goes pretty well, then other countries might be tempted to leave. And that raises the prospect of debt defaults, higher interest rates, and slowing European growth.

Once again, it's in Europe's interest to make things as hard as possible for Greece.

4) This is the time to fold 'em

The tragic irony, if you are Tsipras, is that his plan very well might have worked back in 2010 when his predecessors originally agreed to the terms of a bailout. Back then, the whole situation was considerably more fluid. Greece could have threatened to default and essentially commit a murder/suicide on the entire European economy unless it got better terms. That would have been a very risky strategy and you can see why the Greek government didn't pursue it. But it might have worked.

Yet as the song says, you need to know when to hold 'em and know when to fold 'em. ...

(Alternatively, persuade various major German
corps to re-locate to Greece, for tax-breaks,
warm weather, great beaches, warm weather,
'right-to-work' labor policies, tax breaks,
warm weather & great beaches, and - voilà - problem solved!)

Fred C. Dobbs:

The Next Few Days Have the Potential to Transform
Greece and Europe http://nyti.ms/1Nr7fbd via @UpshotNYT
NYT - Neil Irwin - June 28

As it turns out, the Greek crisis ends not with a bang, but with a referendum.

It has been easy to ignore the doings in Greece for the last few years, with the perpetual series of summits in Brussels that never seem to resolve anything. But it's time to pay attention. These next few days are shaping up to become a transformational moment in the 60-year project of building a unified Europe. We just don't yet know what sort of transformation it will be.

The immediate headlines that got us to this point are these: After an intractable series of negotiations over a bailout extension with Greece's creditors, the nation's left-wing government left the table Friday and said it would hold a referendum on July 5. Greek leaders think the offer on the table from European governments and the International Monetary Fund is lousy, requiring still more pension cuts and tax increases in a depressed economy, and intend to throw to voters the question of whether to accept it.

Whatever the exact phrasing of the question (and assuming the referendum goes forward as planned), it really boils down to this simple choice:

  • A "Yes" vote means that Greece will continue the grinding era of austerity that has caused so much pain to its citizens over the last five years, in exchange for keeping the euro currency and the monetary stability it provides.
  • A "No" vote almost certainly means that the country will walk away from the euro and create its own currency (which will surely devalue sharply), bringing financial chaos in the near term, but creating the possibility of a rebound in the medium term as the country becomes more competitive with its devalued currency.

The Greek government, led by Alexis Tsipras, disputes this framing, and argues that Greece could in fact reject the creditors' offer to extend the bailout program while sticking with the euro. Events over the weekend show how untenable that is. Thousands of Greeks lined up to withdraw euros from money machines, and the European Central Bank said it would not increase the size of the emergency lending program that Greek banks have been using to secure euros.

Ergo, the Greek banks are, or will soon be, out of money, and the E.C.B. will be disinclined to open the floodgates again in the absence of a bailout deal. That's why the Greek government has effectively frozen its financial system, closing banks and the stock market on Monday. ...

Greece Will Close Banks to Stem Flood of Withdrawals http://nyti.ms/1QXdEB2

LANDON THOMAS Jr. and NIKI KITSANTONIS - JUNE 28

ATHENS - Greece will keep its banks closed on Monday and place restrictions on the withdrawal and transfer of money, Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras said in a televised address on Sunday night, as Athens tries to avert a financial collapse.

The government's decision to close banks temporarily and impose other so-called capital controls - and to keep the stock market closed on Monday - came hours after the European Central Bank said it would not expand an emergency loan program that has been propping up Greek banks in recent weeks while the government was trying to reach a new debt deal with international creditors. ...

[Jun 28, 2015] The Greek Tragedy: Curtain Closes On Most Absurd Act

moonofalabama.org

Nothing was posted here so far on the Greece tragedy. I did not touch the issue as there was excellent coverage elsewhere and what the whole issue produced so far was more absurd theater than serious economic policy. But one act of the drama is now coming to a preliminary end and the tragedy may now unfold into something new with potential serious geopolitical consequences.

Greece took up a lot of debt when banks were giving away money without caring for the ability of the debtor to pay back. When that game ran out, some six years ago, Greece could not no longer take up new credit to pay back its old debts. That is the point where it should have defaulted.

But the Greece government was pressed on to pay back the debt to the commercial banks even when it had no money and not enough income to ever do so. Bank lobbyists pressed other EU governments to raid their taxpayers to indirectly cover the banks' losses. These other governments then pushed Greece to take on "emergency loans" from their states to pay the foreign commercial banks.

Nothing of that money ever reached the people in need in Greece. Here is a gif that explains what happened to all those foreign taxpayer loans treats "given to the Greek".

To get these new loans Greece had to agree to lunatic economic measures, an austerity program and neoliberal "reforms", to fix its balance of payments. But austerity has never worked, does not work and will never work. It crashes economies, lowers tax incomes and thereby further hinders a government to pay back it debts. It creates a vicious cycle that ends in an economic catastrophe.

After six years of austerity nonsense the Greece voted for a new party that promised to end the cycle and stop the austerity measures. But the new Syriza government misjudge the situation and the nastiness and criminal energy of the other governments and organizations it was negotiating with. It early on said it would not default and thereby took away its own best negotiation argument. The negotiations failed. The creditors still demand more and more austerity. Now it will have to default but under circumstances that will make it much more difficult for Greece to get back on its feet.

Yesterday the Syriza prime minister Tsirpas, in a speech to his people, called for an end of the blackmail and for a referendum to decide on the way forward:

Fellow Greeks, to the blackmailing of the ultimatum that asks us to accept a severe and degrading austerity without end and without any prospect for a social and economic recovery, I ask you to respond in a sovereign and proud way, as the history of the Greek people commands.

To authoritarianism and harsh austerity, we will respond with democracy, calmly and decisively.

Greece, the birthplace of democracy will send a resounding democratic response to Europe and the world.

Paul Maison of Channel 4 news sees this as a positive and likely successful step. The people will vote no to austerity and the IMF, European Central Bank and various country governments will still keep giving fresh money to Greece. Yves Smith at Naked Capitalism does not believe that this will happen. She calls the referendum a sham. Greece will default and the only thing the referendum will do is to keep Syriza in the political business. She blames Tsirpas for having misjudged the situation and for being unprepared of what is likely to come:

Greek defiance of its creditors will make it more, not less dependent on them in the next year. How badly things turn out for Greece will depend in significant degree on how much they do to ameliorate the impact of the implosion of the banking system, whether they take extreme measures to keep Greece in the Eurozone, and if Greece tumbles out, how much they provide in humanitarian aid and targeted trade financing (most important, for petroleum imports).

Greece should have defaulted six years ago. Tsirpas should have prepared for default immediately after he became premier. He should have used it as a threat during the negotiations. Greece will now have to default in the worst possible situation and with little thought given to the consequences of the default.

But the consequences will not be limited to Greece.There will be consequences for the EU, for NATO and for the political balance in the Mediterranean. Greece may now decide to leave the "western" realm and thereby set an example others could follow.

The German and other European governments promised their taxpayers that Greece will not default and that the austerity program pushed onto it will succeed. They will now rightfully lose some of their political and economic credibility. The Greece default will be a somewhat harsh and expensive lesson for the voters in those countries too. Let's hope that they will draw the right conclusions.

Selected Skeptical Comments

Posted by: madrone | Jun 27, 2015 10:50:12 AM | 2

While there is nothing easy about the path forward I think finance minister Varoufakis has played things pretty well dragging it out letting the people get all those euros out of the banks to help contribute to rebuilding but most of all blocking the ability of the Banksters to "Cyprusize" Greece. The referendum obviously comes from the study of Iceland and anybody that studies Argentina can only come away thinking Syriza is doing the right thing.

Posted by: nmb | Jun 27, 2015 11:33:51 AM | 3

The global financial mafia fully exposed through Greece

[Jun 28, 2015]The Troika pretends to suffocate Greece at all costs

"...Brussels has blocked any agreement that would help Greece's recovery; debt repayments are maximum priority"
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"...Alexis Tsipras, prime minister, is practically "hands tied", he can't implement an alternative economic policy, this situation is contrary to his intentions, therefore it slowly diminishes the trust citizens have put into Syriza, his political party."
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"...Greece has 10 days to liquidate the four monthly maturities of debt to the IMF (1.5 billion euros) and to open a new financing plan for 5.2 billion euros. By next July, Athens will have to pay 3.5 billion euros to the European Central Bank (ECB), 465 million euros to the IMF and 2 billion euros to additional creditors."
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"...There is no doubt that if Tsipras decides abandoning the Euro, the consequences will be dramatic for Greece's economy and so for the rest of economies in the region [6], including of course, Germany and France. Berlin fears a massive spread. If Greece collapses, speculators will bet against the most fragile economies: Finland, Spain, Italy, Netherlands, Portugal, etc."
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"...Panic would boost interest rates, severely shrinking the financial liquidity between countries."
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"...Nevertheless, the Troika seems decisive on backlashing the left's economic program. Syriza have inaugurated the electoral failure of neoliberalism in Europe and due to that, it has become the lender's favorite prey, who are ready to impose their will at any price. However, the Greeks should trust themselves, establish partnership beyond its continental borders and aim for utopia."
Jun 28, 2015 | voltairenet.org/RT

the Central Bank of Greece surprised everyone with the publication of their monetary politics for 2014-2015. Besides revealing the consequences of the economic suffocation imposed by Brussels, it concluded that in case of not getting to a prompt deal with its European partners, a crisis of great proportions will be detonated.

"A crisis with a manageable debt as we are currently facing with the help of our partners will transform into an uncontrollable crisis, with great risk for the banking system and for the financial stability", it quoted [1]. It was the first time this institution seriously contemplated Greece's separation from the Eurozone.

The most influencing media immediately began to stress that the majority of Greek's population is against abandoning the Monetary Union. Approximately a 70% according to a recent poll published by the GOP. For keeping the "common currency" the norms in the Maastricht Treaty have to be complied, therefore the occidental media concludes that the Greek citizens are willing to accept the European authorities conditions: Austerity is the price for a membership in the Eurozone.

However, media emporiums omit mentioning that same majority opposes to measures that the Troika (formed by the International Monetary Fund, the European Central Bank and the European Commission) pretends to impose. That same majority is currently convinced that the original 245 billion euros rescue program has only brought economic affliction. The increase of inequality and poverty, lock of housing, mental illness and suicides, are evidence of the "humanitarian crisis" Greeks are daily suffering [2].

A change regarding to economic matters in urgent. In that sense, the Greek government has insisted in solving the more immediate needs (taxes on investment, creation of employment, a better distribution of income, etc.) and less in questioning terms of the debt. Despite this, Brussels has blocked any agreement that would help Greece's recovery; debt repayments are maximum priority [3].

Alexis Tsipras, prime minister, is practically "hands tied", he can't implement an alternative economic policy, this situation is contrary to his intentions, therefore it slowly diminishes the trust citizens have put into Syriza, his political party.

Disqualifications between the Greek government and the Troika were quite prompt on dates near the meeting with the Eurogroup. Tsipras addressed that the International Monetary Fund (IMF) had "criminal responsibility" for the crisis. He also repeated that his government wouldn't falter before the pressure imposed by the Troika. The objective of this proposal is to "humiliate Greece" and there he committed to reject the adjustment plans at every moment [4].

The finance minister, Yanis Varoufakis, has delivered the same message by declining on presenting proposals that would finally include a list of "credible" commitments for the creditors: raising the primary surplus, additional tax raises, dismantling the pension system, etc [5].

As consequence, the negotiations stalled once again [on July 18th, 2015, Editor's note] The Troika remains intransigent in applying its "structural reforms" no matter what, while Tsipras declines on betraying the Greeks. Therefore this dispute is ones more to be adjourned.

Greece has 10 days to liquidate the four monthly maturities of debt to the IMF (1.5 billion euros) and to open a new financing plan for 5.2 billion euros. By next July, Athens will have to pay 3.5 billion euros to the European Central Bank (ECB), 465 million euros to the IMF and 2 billion euros to additional creditors.

Debt and more austerity, in the end impose more debts, this situation puts Greece in a "depressive spiral" that seems not to have an end. How will the resources for complying with these commitments de delivered?

There is no doubt that if Tsipras decides abandoning the Euro, the consequences will be dramatic for Greece's economy and so for the rest of economies in the region [6], including of course, Germany and France. Berlin fears a massive spread. If Greece collapses, speculators will bet against the most fragile economies: Finland, Spain, Italy, Netherlands, Portugal, etc.

Considerably affected by the weak economic growth and the deflation (price breakdown), the Eurozone would loose even more confidence from international investors. The crescent 'aversion to risk' due to Greece's exit would provoke an increase in the performance of sovereign bonds (currently at minimum levels). Panic would boost interest rates, severely shrinking the financial liquidity between countries.

Uncertainty will increase and the capital flows would be victim of a 'butterfly effect': slight increase of volatility in sovereign bond markets, light drops in stock exchanges and any change in the monetary policy, would be enough to detonate huge turbulences in credit circuits.

Nevertheless, the Troika seems decisive on backlashing the left's economic program. Syriza have inaugurated the electoral failure of neoliberalism in Europe and due to that, it has become the lender's favorite prey, who are ready to impose their will at any price. However, the Greeks should trust themselves, establish partnership beyond its continental borders and aim for utopia.

Democracy was born in the ancient Greece and there is where the foundations of a new Europe, free from the 'dictatorship of the creditors' should be built, if there is any alternative…

[Jun 28, 2015] Keynes, The Great Depression And The Coming Great Default

Jun 28, 2015 | Zero Hedge
falak pema

you guys have it ALL wrong.

Keynes was there to check OLIGARCHY neo-feudalism. This crisis is about Oligarchy neofeudalism.

We need a balance between state and private enterprise. Right now we have "inverted totalitarianism" :an alliance between state and private Oligarchs where, unlike Mussolini model; its private enterprise that RUNS THE WORLD; the 1%.

The state is their slave; even FED belongs to its paymasters : the TBTF aka JP Morgan and now GS. Since Glass Steagall revoke; engineered by the GS squid cabal allowing Investment banks to rule the roost to MAXIMISE shareholder returns, the whole shooting match of supply side deregulated Reaganomics; all based on asset hiking based on short term quarterly reports; has morphed capitalism beyond recognition.

The world of capital changed in 1981...the day all that mattered was shareholder value based on short term steroid pumping that the 1971 "our money your problem" had initiated based on petrodollar hegemony fueled on perpetual DEBT.

The cumulative effect of 1971/1981/1991 outsourcing NWO mantra post Iraq 1 and SU default was what we have spawned today: a three step process where petrodollar debt + FIRE economy oligarchy enrichment+ NWO outsourcing based on cheap oil and cheap labour have built this casino capitalism model now compounded by derivative financialisation toxic shenanigans.

Now tell me WHAT has KEYNES got to do with this monetarist construct based on Friedman's 1971 mantra?

You guys deny the time line of facts and its irrefutable logic all based on petrodollar hegemony, and arms bazar supremacy.

[Jun 28, 2015] Fuck the US Imperialism -- Top German Politician Blasts Nuland Carter

Jun 28, 2015 | Zero Hedge

With intra-Europe relations hitting a new all-time low; and, having already been busted spying on Merkel, Obama got caught with his hand in Hollande's cookie jar this week, the following exultation from one of Germany's top politicians will hardly help Washington-Brussells relations. As Russia Insider notes, Oskar Lafontaine is a major force in German politics so it caught people's attention when he excoriated Ash Carter and Victoria Nuland on his Facebook page yesterday... "Nuland says 'F*ck the EU'. We need need an EU foreign policy that stops warmongering US imperialism... F*ck US imperialism!"

Here is the Facebook post (in German):

Lafontaine has been an outsized figure in German politics since the mid-70s. He was chairman of the SPD (one of Germany's two main parties) for four years, the SPD's candidate for chancellor in 1990, minister of finance for two years, and then chairman of the Left party in the 2000s. He is married to Sarah Wagenknecht, political heavyweight, who is currently co-chairman of Left party.

Lafontaine's outburst came a day after his wife, Sarah Wagenknecht, blasted Merkel's Russia policy in an interview on RT.

Here is the full translation of the post:

"The US 'Defense' secretary, i.e., war minister is in Berlin. He called on Europe to counter Russian 'aggression'. But in fact, it is US aggression which Europeans should be opposing.

"The Grandmaster of US diplomacy, George Kennan described the eastward expansion of NATO as the biggest US foreign policy mistake since WW2, because it will lead to a new cold war.

"The US diplomat Victoria Nuland said we have spent $5 billion to destabilize the Ukraine. They stoke the flames ever higher, and Europe pays for it with lower trade and lost jobs.

"Nuland says 'F*ck the EU'. We need need an EU foreign policy that stops warmongering US imperialism.

"F*ck US imperialism!"

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When he comes out swinging this way, you know something is changing.

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America - making friends and influencing people for 238 years...

remain calm

I see the CIA creating a little muslim terrorism in Europe to teach them the meaning of respect.

BlowsAgainstthe...

"But in fact, it is US aggression which Europeans should be opposing."

So good, it should be required reading . . .

"Why the Ukraine Crisis Is the West's Fault

The Liberal Delusions That Provoked Putin"

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/russia-fsu/2014-08-18/why-ukrain...

Latina Lover

To date, the USSA adventurism in the Ukraine has hurt Germany financially and politically, with more losses to follow.

Instead of integrating more closely with Russia, and becoming a key part of the New Silk Road, Germany is blocked by the USSA, against her better interests. The USSA is creating a new berlin style wall of lies and propaganda between Russia and Germany claiming that Russia plans to invade the baltics, poland, moldova, blah, blah, blah.

Fortunately, most Germans are not anti intellectuals, and see through the lies, unlike the average american shlub (30% of whom cannot name the current VP but know all of the names of the Kardashians). Eventually, Merkel will get the boot, and be replaced by a more businesslike leader.

Not Too Important

30% is pretty generous, don't you think? More like 3%.

Even an aborigine in the middle of Africa with a cell phone knows more about the world than 97% of Americans.

Tall Tom

Fuck American Imperialism?

Actually it is GERMAN Imperialism over the nation states of Europe, using the European Union as a subterfuge, is that which needs be quashed.

Fuck GERMAN Imperialism and the European Union as it serves as a tool for the advancement of Germany's Imperialistic ambitions..

saveandsound

Oscar Lafontaine is member of the party "The Left". He used to be member of the "Social Democratic Party of Germany".

Both parties are of rather marginal significance, since Merkel's CDU rules them all. ;-)

Anyway, "the Left" has been opposing US Imperialism ever since, so there is not much new to see here.

datura

that won't help and no more false flags will help either. The latest poll showed that only 19% of Germans would fight Russians in case Russia attacked any NATO country. I repeat: if Russia attacked first. You can wonder, what would be the percentage of them willing to fight Russia just for the sake of Ukraine. Close to zero, I think. The USA overstepped all boundaries, when it began pushing EU countries into a military conflict with Russia. Continental Europeans are not Anglo-Saxons, they think differently. They will bow down to any USA pressure, except for a military conflict with Russia! Thats a big no no. Many of them still remember (especially Germans), what it was like to fight wild-spirited Russians, who never surrender no matter what. These constant talks about "Russian agression" by the USA politicians make Germans feel like a cornered animal with nothing to loose. Such animal cannot be subdued anymore, when your existence and life is so directly threatened, you bite. Or another example: try to force your slave to step on a rattlesnake. He may be forced to do many things, but this time he will turn against you. I already said it before: no war against Russia and Europe is possible, because even if the USA somehow forces us to any such war, huge amounts of people will be so angry that they will flee to the side of Russia. We are already discussing this openly. This is already happening in Ukraine. Already 10 000 Ukranian soldiers defected to the other side (to fight Kiev), plus one Ukrainian general, some members of the Ukranian intelligence service and about one and half million Ukrainians fled to Russia to avoid draft. I saw a video where three entire units of soldiers sent from Kiev to Donetsk (with tanks) changed side, threw out Ukrainian flags and put on Russian flags on their tanks under loud cheers from the brave people of Donbass. There are certain very natural limits to what you can force people to do, which bankers do not seem to understand. Yes, you can send many people to war, but they simply will not fight, unless you give them something to fight for. For example Hitler gave people something to fight for. But all bankers give us is chaos, no strong leader, no ideology strong enough....I think they hoped that Putin would invade Ukraine and that would be the reason for war (they provoked Hitler in a similar way). However, Putin is no Hitler, he is way too intelligent to play these silly games. And it is impossible to repeat exactly what was once so successful, because times change, people are different....you cant win with using old outdated strategies over and over. That is why all empires fall in the end. They get stuck in using the same tricks over and over, until they stop working. Even the old color revolutions are not as efficient now as they were in the past and the same goes for those silly false flags.

cherry picker

He is absolutely correct. US is surrounded by two oceans and the North and South neighbor have no intentions of invading the USA, so can anyone explain this war time nuclear, wmd, too many carriers and so forth military and paranoia.

Can't uncle Sam keep his huge nose out of everyone's business?

Can't America just enjoy what is theirs and leave others alone?

Who needs a CIA except for Nazi types.

Fuck Nuland is a good start.

Albertarocks

And the neighbors to the north and south are non-too-pleased with the USA either. We know WTF the USA is doing, although more and more are waking up to the fact that the USA is only being used as the war branch of the banking mafia. Because of this we hold nothing against American people.

In fact, up north we now probably feel more kinship with "the people" of the USA more than ever before. Because we are learning how all this works. It is the global banking monsters and the fascist corporations, the military industrial complex that is in bed with the fucking bankers. It is those assholes who are causing every damned war in the world... not "the USA" as such. Putin is a saint by comparison... not to mention the only sane leader of a superpower left on earth. He is admirable, even from this side of the pond.

Mexicans might present a problem, I don't know. Mexicans never bother Canadians so we just don't seem to have an opinion. Canadians are pretty calm, but fuck when we get mad there can be one hell of a bar fight. I don't know how all this works out but it isn't going in the right direction. I think 98% of Canadians would agree with Mr. Lafontaine. US Imperialism has got to come to an end. Or the world will. And by "US", I mean "banker".

BI2

If only our politicians could understand what that man is really saying. It is for our own good.

https://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2015/06/25/warmongering-vs-econ...

Dodgy Geezer

We need need an EU foreign policy that stops warmongering US imperialism... F*ck US imperialism!"

You know what the problem is?

It's not particularly the US, though they are the biggest players at the moment. It's the result of the end of the Cold War.

Ever since WW2 the power blocs both had a big military and supporting intelligence service. When the Berlin Wall came down, the Russians collapsed theirs. The West did not. And ever since then it has been looking for a job. That's the reason we have had so much disruption. When your major arm of government is a multi-trillion dollar armed forces, every problem looks like an excuse for a war.

The Delicate Genius

It is not US imperialism

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/09/anglozionist-short-primer-for-...

It is the imperialism of the Anglo-Zionist cabal which has hijacked the American treasury and military.

Neocons, Interventionist "realists" and other assorted militarist scum.

Their control of the MSM is sound {they even acquired VICE News as that got too popular, and Orwellized it, beginning with the Zionist sent to fake stories out of Ukraine}...

but not the internet. As younger people grow up, post comments and articles, this cleft between the pre-internet and internet informed grows more and more obvious.

I'm sure I'm not the only one that expects aggressive moves against intent content.

We've seen some attacks on free speech already in the Fast Track bill - but it will take time to really see how bad the TPP itself is in practice.

But it does seem clear that .gov is hoping to make an end run around various Constitutional niceties by "treaty."

and no - treaties do not and can not over-ride the Constitution. Only amendment, not treaty, can change the constitution.

PrayingMantis

... US imperialism plus US exceptionalism is analogous to this >>> http://rt.com/usa/270268-falcon-launch-space-fail/

... and while the US forces the other NATO members to apply more sanctions to Russia, US hypocrisy rears its ugly head by 'allowing' products from sanctioned Russia that would benefit them ... check this out

>>> http://rt.com/usa/270220-us-space-russian-engine/

pupdog1

Gotta love a guy who knows how to define a problem.

Fuck Noodleberg.

HTZMR

As someone who actually lives in Germany i can tell you that Lafontaine is an absolute has-been and he plays no role in German politics, nor has he for years. His influence came to an end when Schroeder kicked him out of his government over 15 years ago. To claim he is a heavyweight is simply dead wrong.

Wagenknecht does play a certain role, but the Left is a pure protest party full of fundamentalist hardline social democrats and former East German communists. The Left has no say on federal government matters such as foreign policy. This post is pure alarmism.

Wild E Coyote

Actually US and Soviet Union both went bankrupt by Cold War.
Soviet Union accepted their fate.
USA still refuse to accept theirs.

Renfield

Upvoted, but I think technically it was Vietnam that bankrupted the US.

Then again, you could argue that it was the First World War, or the 1929 market crash -- although its bankruptcy wasn't admitted until 1933.

[Jun 28, 2015] IMF and Germany Are Hell-Bent on Finishing Off Even a Moderate Left in Greece

"...Europe's neoliberal elite was after, especially after being fully aware of the fact that Athens had no alternative plan, was not merely a humiliating Greek deal for the Syriza-led government but finishing them off completely to send a message to all potential "troublemakers" in the euro area of the fate awaiting them if they dared challenge the neoliberal, austerity-based orthodoxy of the new Rome."
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"...Mr. Tsipras and his one-night "superstar" finance minister tied up with a dog chain and paraded in front of the European political stage for all to see - utterly defeated and humiliated, with their political futures up in the air, whether they accept or reject a humiliating Greek deal."
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"...as it usually happens in situations of negotiations between ordinates and subordinates, master and slave, rich and poor, strong and weak, the more compromises the latter makes, the more compromises the former demands.""

IMF and Germany Are Hell-Bent on Finishing Off Even a Moderate Left in Greece

Jun 28, 2015 | Truthout

...Reflecting a political organization/party that had invited and accepted under the same roof extremely diverse political and ideological groups, the Syriza-led government not only failed to set out a clear strategic vision for getting the country out of its current crisis but walked straight into the trap that the euromasters and the "criminal IMF" were setting up for them throughout the course of the negotiations.

Indeed, the leftist Greek government failed to see that what Europe's neoliberal elite was after, especially after being fully aware of the fact that Athens had no alternative plan, was not merely a humiliating Greek deal for the Syriza-led government but finishing them off completely to send a message to all potential "troublemakers" in the euro area of the fate awaiting them if they dared challenge the neoliberal, austerity-based orthodoxy of the new Rome.

Working in collaboration with the IMF (whom Mr. Tsipras has charged with "criminal responsibility" for the economic and social catastrophe of Greece), Germany's plan (a nation that has failed to pay its debts repeatedly in modern times and had the bigger part of its foreign debt wiped off in 1953, yet has the audacity now to try to teach moral lessons to Greece) is to have Mr. Tsipras and his one-night "superstar" finance minister tied up with a dog chain and paraded in front of the European political stage for all to see - utterly defeated and humiliated, with their political futures up in the air, whether they accept or reject a humiliating Greek deal.

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The members of the Greek government negotiation team had submitted a list of proposals for the June 22 Euro summit that were fully in line with the logic of the EU/IMF bailout program for Greece: more austerity and additional structural adjustments. All in all, the proposals they made amounted to over 8 billion euro in additional cuts between 2015 and 2016! The leftist Greek government even proposed a tax increase to incomes above 30,000 euro, thus suggesting that individuals in that income bracket rank among the wealthy! Basic food items and services were to carry a 23 percent VAT. The special VAT rate on Greek islands, which is so crucial for the tourist sector of the economy, was to be removed. The early retirement age was to be increased as of the start of 2016, and a benefit for low-income pensioners was to be gradually substituted, beginning from 2018.

The obvious capitulation on the part of the Syriza-led government to the euromasters and the IMF thugs, which was not the first one, was made just to get a deal done as time was running out for Greece (it has a huge payment to make to the IMF at the end of June in the tune of 1.6 billion euro) and thus to remove the dark clouds of a Grexit that had begun to spread dangerously over Greece, as it had finally become clear that Germany and the IMF were calling Syriza's bluff and were ready for the unthinkable, i.e., the possibility of a Grexit.

But as it usually happens in situations of negotiations between ordinates and subordinates, master and slave, rich and poor, strong and weak, the more compromises the latter makes, the more compromises the former demands.

Thus, the Greek proposals were found to be inadequate, and there were demands for more blood and tears. Germany and the IMF wanted to force the Syriza-led government to cross its last and final "red line," which was over additional antisocial measures in the nation's social security and pension system. Among other things, the Lagarde/Schäuble duo wants the benefit for low-income pensioners to be completed eliminated by 2017. This would mean that a person who receives today a monthly pension for the amount of 500 euro (close to 50 percent of Greek pensioners receive pensions below the official poverty line) would be deprived of about 200 euro, which come as a welfare payment of sorts.

... ... ...

Footnotes:

1. The political babel of Syriza consists of right-wing and ultra-nationalist camps (ie., the Independent Greeks party, Syriza's coalition partner in government) to defunct social democrats and outdated Keynesians who saw primarily the crisis in Greece as a threat to capitalism itself and were suggesting, accordingly, all sort of interventionist schemes to keep Greece in the euro area and the emergence of an alternative socio-economic system at bay, including recycling unemployment schemes with the minimum wage so as not to upset the exploitation rate in the private sector (!) and IOUs, and from remnants of euro-communism and the old communist left to post-leftism, postmodernist tendencies devoid of any true understanding of contemporary political realities and without structured support at the popular, working-class level. Indicative of its political nature, not even one large, mass protest or demonstration has ever been organized or successfully carried out by Syriza. Its official organ Avgi still sells thousands of copies less on a daily and a weekly basis than the official organ of the Greek Communist Party, which in the elections of January 2015 barely got over 5 percent of the popular vote.

2. Syriza had been converted long ago into an utterly confusing, "non-left" left political organization, and the restructuring of the Greek economy and its moribund political culture, the abandonment of outworn, antediluvian modes of political thinking and behaviors, and the transformation of capitalism and its transition to a socialist economy had been completely removed from its political radar. For an argument along those lines, see C. J. Polychroniou, "To Change Greece Requires Changing the Political Culture - and This Could Be a Tall Order, Especially for the Left." Truthout (September 1, 2013).

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C.J. Polychroniou is a research associate and policy fellow at the Levy Economics Institute of Bard College and a former columnist for a Greek major national newspaper. His main research interests are in European economic integration, globalization, the political economy of the United States and the deconstruction of neoliberalism's politico-economic project. He has taught for many years at universities in the United States and Europe and is a regular contributor to Truthout as well as a member of Truthout's Public Intellectual Project. He has published several books and his articles have appeared in a variety of journals, magazines, newspapers and popular news websites. Many of his publications have been translated into several foreign languages, including Croatian, French, Greek, Italian, Portuguese, Spanish and Turkish.

[Jun 27, 2015] Greece: Its the Politics, Stupid!

"...The troika had two goals from the start. First to give the banksters and plutocrats enough time to exit the country they had plundered (with help from local plutocrats). There was a large amount of privately held debt that could not be unloaded during a crisis, so they needed a pretend bailout such that most of that private risk could be transferred onto public organizations. Second they needed to keep the public in the other European countries from understanding that the fault was with their own banksters and plutocrats, not the people of Greece; and that the bailout plan (rather than immediate debt restructuring) actually was a plan to move the inevitable cost away from the banksters and onto the taxpayers."
Jun 27, 2015 | Economist's View

Gloomy European Economist Francesco Saraceno:

It's the Politics, Stupid!: I have been silent on Greece, because scores of excellent economists from all sides commented at length...
But last week has transformed in certainty what had been a fear since the beginning. The troika, backed by the quasi totality of EU governments, were not interested in finding a solution that would allow Greece to recover while embarking in a fiscally sustainable path. No, they were interested in a complete and public defeat of the "radical" Greek government. ...
What happened...? Well, contrary to what is heard in European circles, most of the concessions came from the Greek government. On retirement age, on the size of budget surplus (yes, the Greek government gave up its intention to stop austerity, and just obtained to soften it), on VAT, on privatizations, we are today much closer to the Troika initial positions than to the initial Greek position. Much closer.
The point that the Greek government made repeatedly is that some reforms, like improving the tax collection capacity, actually demanded an increase of resources, and hence of public spending. Reforms need to be disconnected from austerity, to maximize their chance to work. Syriza, precisely like the Papandreou government in 2010 asked for time and possibly money. It got neither.
Tsipras had only two red lines it would and it could not cross: Trying to increase taxes on the rich (most notably large coroporations), and not agreeing to further cuts to low pensions. if he crossed those lines, he would become virtually indistinguishable from Samaras and from the policies that led Greece to be a broken State.
What the past week made clear is that this, and only this was the objective of the creditors. This has been since the beginning about politics. Creditors cannot afford that an alternative to policies followed since 2010 in Greece and in the rest of the Eurozone materializes.
Austerity and structural reforms need to be the only way to go. Otherwise people could start asking questions; a risk you don't want to run a few months before Spanish elections. Syriza needed to be made an example. You cannot survive in Europe, if you don't embrace the Brussels-Berlin Consensus. Tsipras, like Papandreou, was left with the only option too ask for the Greek people's opinion, because there has been no negotiation, just a huge smoke screen. Those of us who were discussing pros and cons of the different options on the table, well, we were wasting our time.
And if Greece needs to go down to prove it, so be it. If we transform the euro in a club in which countries come and go, so be it.
The darkest moment for the EU.
RGC said...

by MICHAEL HUDSON


Many readers of the European and American press must be confused about what actually is happening in the negotiations between Greece (Alexis Tsipras and Yannis Varoufakis). The European Troika (the IMF, European Central Bank and European Council now object to the name and want to be called simply "the Institutions") have stepped up their demands on Syriza. What is called "negotiation" is in reality a demand for total surrender. The Troika's demand is to force Syriza to go back on the campaign promises that it made to voters who replaced the old right-wing Pasok ("socialist") and Conservative New Democracy coalition, or else simply apply the austerity program to which that coalition had agreed:cutbacks in pensions, deeper austerity, more privatization selloffs, and a tax shift off business onto labor. In short, economic suicide.

Last weekend a group of us met in Delphi to discuss and draft the following Declaration of Support for Greece against the neoliberal Institutions. It is now clear that finance is the new mode of warfare. The creditors' objective is the same as military conquest: they want the land, the natural resource rights and monopolies, and they want tribute (in this case, debt service). And they don't want sovereign Greece to tax the economic rent from these assets. In short, the negotiation between The Institutions and Greece is a bold exercise in rent extraction.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/06/26/the-delphi-declaration/

Peter K. said...

I agree with what Saraceno wrote. "The troika, backed by the quasi totality of EU governments, were not interested in finding a solution that would allow Greece to recover while embarking in a fiscally sustainable path."

The austerity program they forced Greece to follow was a failure and the troika doesn't care what Syriza was elected to do. It can overrule democracy.

As good as the IMF research department has been regarding Keynesian policies lately, the IMF is coming off really bad here, just going along with insane policy.

If Greece doesn't pay by the 30th do they get kicked out? If they kicked out will they hold the July 5th referendum anyway?

Maybe the troika don't kick them out immediately and the referendum votes no on the bailout package. Then Greece defaults but possibly stays in the EU on the drachma with capital controls. Possibly Greece can rejoin the EU later on.

anne said in reply to anne...

What still puzzles me is whether and by what authority Greece can be forced to leave the European Union, even if Greece has to abandon the Euro.

As for the leadership of the European Union, no matter the title of the various governing parties, there has been an increasingly conservative political-economic bent to the leadership in domestic, Europe-wide and international affairs.

DeDude said in reply to anne...

They can not be forced to leave the European (political) Union. The may have to abandon the Euro currency, but a number of other EU countries have their own currency (enjoying the free trade and political advantages of being an EU country). They would likely be forced to either back out of the Euro or face a complete collapse of their banks and economy (without banks no business) if the ECB close their banks access to funds. But there is no way that they could be kicked out of the Euro if they refused to leave.

anne said in reply to Larry...

http://www.cepr.net/blogs/beat-the-press/greece-and-the-euro

June 26, 2015

Greece and the Euro

James Stewart has a piece * in the New York Times telling readers that if Greece were to leave the euro it would face a disaster. The headline warns readers, "imagine Argentina, but much worse." The article includes several assertions that are misleading or false.

First, it is difficult to describe the default in Argentina as a disaster. The economy had been plummeting prior to the default, which occurred at the end of the year in 2001. The country's GDP had actually fallen more before the default than it did after the default. (This is not entirely clear on the graph, since the data is annual. At the point where the default took place in December of 2001, Argentina's GDP was already well below the year-round average.) While the economy did fall more sharply after the default, it soon rebounded and by the end of 2003 it had regained all the ground lost following the default.

[Graph]

Argentina's economy continued to grow rapidly for several more years, rising above pre-recession levels in 2004. Given the fuller picture, it is difficult to see the default as an especially disastrous event even if it did lead to several months of uncertainty for the people of Argentina. In this respect, it is worth noting that Paul Volcker is widely praised in policy circles for bringing down the inflation rate. To accomplish this goal he induced a recession that pushed the unemployment rate to almost 11 percent. So the idea that short-term pain might be a price worth paying for a longer term benefit is widely accepted in policy circles.

At one point the piece refers to the views of Yanis Varoufakis, Greece's finance minister, on the difficulties of leaving the euro. It relies on what it describes as a "recent blogpost." Actually the post * is from 2012.

To support the argument that Greece has little prospect for increasing its exports it quotes Daniel Gros, director of the Center for European Policy Studies in Brussels, on the impact of devaluation on tourism:

"But they've already cut prices and tourism has gone up. But it hasn't really helped because total revenue hasn't gone up."

Actually tourism revenue has risen. It rose by 8.0 percent from 2011 to 2013 (the most recent data available) measured in euros and by roughly 20 percent measured in dollars. In arguing that Greece can't increase revenue from fishing the piece tells readers:

"The European Union has strict quotas to prevent overfishing."

However the piece also tells readers that leaving the euro would cause Greece to be thrown out of the European Union. If that's true, the EU limits on fishing would be irrelevant.

The piece also make a big point of the fact that Greece does not at present have a currency other than the euro. There are plenty of countries, including many which are poorer than Greece, who have managed to switch over to a new currency in a relatively short period of time. While this process will never be painless, it must be compared to the pain associated with an indefinite period of unemployment in excess of 20.0 percent which is almost certainly the path associated with remaining in the euro on the Troika's terms.

In making comparisons between Greece and Argentina, it is also worth noting that almost all economists projected disaster at the time Argentina defaulted in 2001. Perhaps they have learned more about economics in the last 14 years, but this is not obviously true.

* http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/26/business/an-echo-of-argentina-in-greek-debt-crisis.html

** http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2012/05/16/weisbrot-and-krugman-are-wrong-greece-cannot-pull-off-an-argentina/

-- Dean Baker

anne said in reply to Mel at onin...

Tsipras had only two red lines it would and it could not cross: Trying to increase taxes on the rich (most notably large corporations), and not agreeing to further cuts to low pensions. if he crossed those lines, he would become virtually indistinguishable from Samaras and from the policies that led Greece to be a broken State.

-- Francesco Saraceno

[ I believe that this passage is wrong. Prime Minister Tsipras, to my understanding, was willing and had offered to increase taxes on the rich or "large corporations."

I will try to find a reference, but I am fairly sure I read this in regard to the offer by Tsipras. I recall the insistence on preserving low pension levels came with an express proposal to increase taxes on those with relatively high incomes. ]

DeDude said...

The troika had two goals from the start. First to give the banksters and plutocrats enough time to exit the country they had plundered (with help from local plutocrats). There was a large amount of privately held debt that could not be unloaded during a crisis, so they needed a pretend bailout such that most of that private risk could be transferred onto public organizations. Second they needed to keep the public in the other European countries from understanding that the fault was with their own banksters and plutocrats, not the people of Greece; and that the bailout plan (rather than immediate debt restructuring) actually was a plan to move the inevitable cost away from the banksters and onto the taxpayers.

Unfortunately, European tribalistic politics (further inflamed by the second goal) forced such austerity upon the people of Greece that they rebelled and elected a socialist government. Now there is a third goal for the troika (as dictated by their plutocrat masters); to punish the people of Greece (and scare voters in other countries) for electing socialist leaders. Be ready for an all out war of sabotaging any and all Greek economic recovery. They are desperate to set the example and scare away any thought of rebellion against economic tyranny in countries like Portugal, Spain, Ireland (Italy, France). They are not even trying to hide their sabotage of the Syriza government – just compare what they demand to what Syriza is offering. The objectives are for the same goals, it is just that Syriza has a plan that can reach those goals without sinking the Greek economy into an even deeper hole.

Fred C. Dobbs said...


If you owe your bank a million euros
and can't pay, YOU have a problem.

If it's a billion euros, THEY have a problem.

If it's a trillion, *you* are back
to having a problem, as it turns out.

Who knew?

RGC said...

IMF policy re Greece and Ukraine:

Greece: IMF Warns No Leeway on Payment as Merkel Urges Greece to Bow

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-18/lagarde-affirms-greece-s-june-30-deadline-to-make-imf-payments

Ukraine: IMF Violates IMF Rules, to Continue Ukraine Bailouts

http://rinf.com/alt-news/editorials/imf-violates-imf-rules-to-continue-ukraine-bailouts/

Sandwichman said...

DS-K weighs in on the IMF not learning from mistakes

http://fr.slideshare.net/DominiqueStraussKahn/150627-tweet-greece?ref=https://fr.slideshare.net/slideshow/embed_code/key/yT0ZJNQMSAStzy

Reply Saturday, June 27, 2015 at 11:51 AM

anne said in reply to Sandwichman...

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/business/dealbook/businesses-worry-about-shouldering-burden-of-greek-debt.html

June 24, 2015

Businesses Worry About Shouldering Burden of Greek Debt
By LANDON THOMAS Jr.

THESSALONIKI, Greece - From the beginning, officials at the International Monetary Fund, one of the country's creditors, have criticized the proposal's reliance on raising corporate tax, arguing that such increases will only hurt the country's already fragile economy....

[ This is the IMF; sacrifice ordinary already damaged Greek people for the sake of corporate or relatively rich Greeks. ]

Reply Saturday, June 27, 2015 at 11:59 AM

Sandwichman said in reply to Sandwichman...

Unconfirmed rumors that DS-K was originally going to refer to "the IMF's rape of Greece" but decided that might backfire.

Reply Saturday, June 27, 2015 at 12:04 PM

anne said in reply to Sandwichman...

Having read the Dominique Strauss Kahn memo carefully again, I am not sure just what is being argued other than a little more generous debt forgiveness a little earlier.

Reply Saturday, June 27, 2015 at 02:39 PM

Sandwichman said...

"Jeroen Dijsselbloem, president of the eurogroup of finance ministers, said before the meeting he was 'disappointed' by the surprise plans to stage a popular vote on debt financing proposals.

"'It's a very sad decision for Greece because it's closed the door to further talks, a door that was still open in my mind,' he said."

Democracy? Can't have that! This is FINANCE.

Reply Saturday, June 27, 2015 at 12:24 PM

anne said in reply to Sandwichman...

I am reminded of "Yes, Minister" on the EU.

Reply Saturday, June 27, 2015 at 01:53 PM

mrrunangun said...

I think of my dad's friend Phil in these cases of indebtedness. Phil was a successful businessman who functioned as a lender of last resort for a number of his acquaintances. Phil wanted his money first and foremost. When a borrower could not pay on time, Phil gave a brief grace period. If the borrower still could not pay, Phil would counsel the guy to get an honest job if he didn't already have one or get a second job if he had one and only one. If the guy already had two jobs or was ineligible for honest work, he was advised to consult a pawnbroker. If necessary, stealing and fencing outside of Phil's network might be a last resort. If the borrower still could not pay, Phil was not above resorting to strong collection methods that might persuade the borrower to come up with some cash courtesy of friends and family. Like legal collection methods Phil's cost money so was only resorted to in unusual cases. If the borrower still could not come up with the money, Phil had to face the loss. Needless to say, no further credit would be forthcoming.

It may be impossible for Greece to pay its debts because its prospects for growth are inadequate given the nature of its politics, the size of the debt, and relatively small size of its economy. If its lenders have concluded that that is the case, Greece would have to default and take the consequences. Its lenders will have to take the consequences as well. Phil would not have felt obliged to continue to make loans to a customer who had demonstrated an inability to repay his loan after the usual forbearance.

Chris Herbert said...

Greece doesn't need any loans. Greece doesn't need any debt. Once you are a monetary sovereign you call the shots. Just ask the United States, or China, or Japan. Or Iceland. The central bank can recapitalize the economy with a new drachma, the only currency that can be used domestically. It can fund infrastructure projects that invigorate the Greek economy without issuing debt because it is producing assets, not liabilities. It can do so by avoiding what Keynes describe as 'a bookkeepers nightmare.' Keynes:

"The divorce between ownership and the real responsibility of management is serious within a country when, as a result of joint-stock enterprise, ownership is broken up between innumerable individuals who buy their interest today and sell it tomorrow and lack altogether both knowledge and responsibility towards what they momentarily own. But when the same principle is applied internationally, it is, in times of stress, intolerable - I am irresponsible towards what I own and those who operate what I own are irresponsible towards me. There may be some financial calculation which shows it to be advantageous that my savings should be invested in whatever quarter of the habitable globe shows the greatest marginal efficiency of capital or the highest rate of interest. But experience is accumulating that remoteness between ownership and operation is an evil in the relations between men, likely or certain in the long run to set up strains and enmities which will bring to nought the financial calculation....

National self-sufficiency, in short, though it costs something, may be becoming a luxury which we can afford if we happen to want it. Are there sufficient good reasons why we may happen to want it? The decadent international but individualistic capitalism, in the hands of which we found ourselves after the War, is not a success. It is not intelligent, it is not beautiful, it is not just, it is not virtuous - and it doesn't deliver the goods. In short, we dislike it and we are beginning to despise it. But when we wonder what to put in its place, we are extremely perplexed."

anne said in reply to Chris Herbert...

http://www.polyarchy.org/enough/texts/keynes.1933.html

1933

National self-sufficiency
By John Maynard Keynes

RC AKA Darryl, Ron said in reply to Chris Herbert...

Terrific!

anne said...

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/06/27/europes-moment-of-truth/

June 27, 2015

Europe's Moment of Truth
By Paul Krugman

Until now, every warning about an imminent breakup of the euro has proved wrong. Governments, whatever they said during the election, give in to the demands of the troika; meanwhile, the ECB steps in to calm the markets. This process has held the currency together, but it has also perpetuated deeply destructive austerity - don't let a few quarters of modest growth in some debtors obscure the immense cost of five years of mass unemployment.

As a political matter, the big losers from this process have been the parties of the center-left, whose acquiescence in harsh austerity - and hence abandonment of whatever they supposedly stood for - does them far more damage than similar policies do to the center-right.

It seems to me that the troika - I think it's time to stop the pretense that anything changed, and go back to the old name - expected, or at least hoped, that Greece would be a repeat of this story. Either Tsipras would do the usual thing, abandoning much of his coalition and probably being forced into alliance with the center-right, or the Syriza government would fall. And it might yet happen.

But at least as of right now Tsipras seems unwilling to fall on his sword. Instead, faced with a troika ultimatum, he has scheduled a referendum on whether to accept. This is leading to much hand-wringing and declarations that he's being irresponsible, but he is, in fact, doing the right thing, for two reasons.

  • First, if it wins the referendum, the Greek government will be empowered by democratic legitimacy, which still, I think, matters in Europe. (And if it doesn't, we need to know that, too.)
  • Second, until now Syriza has been in an awkward place politically, with voters both furious at ever-greater demands for austerity and unwilling to leave the euro. It has always been hard to see how these desires could be reconciled; it's even harder now. The referendum will, in effect, ask voters to choose their priority, and give Tsipras a mandate to do what he must if the troika pushes it all the way.

If you ask me, it has been an act of monstrous folly on the part of the creditor governments and institutions to push it to this point. But they have, and I can't at all blame Tsipras for turning to the voters, instead of turning on them.

RGC said in reply to anne...

"If you ask me, it has been an act of monstrous folly on the part of the creditor governments and institutions to push it to this point."

The US banks promoted loans that obviously could not be repaid. They committed massive fraud. They caused a horrendous debt deflation and concomitant great recession. Yet they were bailed out by Obama. Why shouldn't the European banks expect the same of their politicians?

[Jun 27, 2015] Breaking Greece

Paul Krugman:

Breaking Greece: I've been staying fairly quiet on Greece... But given reports from the negotiations in Brussels, something must be said...
This ought to be a negotiation about targets for the primary surplus, and then about debt relief that heads off endless future crises. And the Greek government has agreed to what are actually fairly high surplus targets, especially given the fact that the budget would be in huge primary surplus if the economy weren't so depressed. But the creditors keep rejecting Greek proposals on the grounds that they rely too much on taxes and not enough on spending cuts. So we're still in the business of dictating domestic policy.
The supposed reason for the rejection of a tax-based response is that it will hurt growth. The obvious response is, are you kidding us? The people who utterly failed to see the damage austerity would do - see the chart, which compares the projections in the 2010 standby agreement with reality - are now lecturing others on growth? Furthermore, the growth concerns are all supply-side, in an economy surely operating at least 20 percent below capacity. ...
At this point it's time to stop talking about "Graccident"; if Grexit happens it will be because the creditors, or at least the IMF, wanted it to happen.
Sandwichman said...

The class nature of the IMF position is evident to anyone who chooses to see. Olivier Blanchard is the IMF's chief economist. Professor Krugman politely omits mentioning that salient fact. Professional courtesy, I presume.

anne said in reply to Sandwichman...

Olivier Blanchard is the IMF's chief economist.

[ Meaning what exactly? ]

Sandwichman said in reply to anne...

Meaning if "unserious" Olivier (see below) was serious about his unseriousness maybe he would publicly repudiate the economics of the policy of the organization that he is presumably chief economist for.

Sandwichman said in reply to anne...

"The IMF's 'Tough Choices' on Greece," Jamie Galbraith

http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/imf-greece-debt-restructuring-by-james-k-galbraith-2015-06#I3bKPImqEIzi2QYu.99

"Blanchard should know better than to persist with this fiasco. Once the link between "reform" and growth is broken – as it has been in Greece – his argument collapses. With no path to growth, the creditors' demand for an eventual 3.5%-of-GDP primary surplus is actually a call for more contraction, beginning with another deep slump this year.

"But, rather than recognizing this reality and adjusting accordingly, Blanchard doubles down on pensions. He writes:

"'Why insist on pensions? Pensions and wages account for about 75% of primary spending; the other 25% have already been cut to the bone. Pension expenditures account for over 16% of GDP, and transfers from the budget to the pension system are close to 10% of GDP. We believe a reduction of pension expenditures of 1% of GDP (out of 16%) is needed, and that it can be done while protecting the poorest pensioners.'

"Note first the damning admission: apart from pensions and wages, spending has already been "cut to the bone." And remember: the effect of this approach on growth was negative. So, in defiance of overwhelming evidence, the IMF now wants to target the remaining sector, pensions, where massive cuts – more than 40% in many cases – have already been made. The new cuts being demanded would hit the poor very hard."

anne said in reply to Sandwichman...

Understood completely, darn.

Sandwichman said in reply to Sandwichman...

So Galbraith and Krugman basically agree on the stupidity of the policy. Galbraith names the name. Krugman hesitates. Basic social psychology.

Sandwichman said in reply to Sandwichman...

Final paragraph of the Jamie Galbraith piece:

"Blanchard insists that now is the time for "tough choices, and tough commitments to be made on both sides." Indeed it is. But the Greeks have already made tough choices. Now it is the IMF's turn, beginning with the decision to admit that the policies it has imposed for five long years created a disaster. For the other creditors, the toughest choice is to admit – as the IMF knows – that their Greek debts must be restructured. New loans for failed policies – the current joint creditor proposal – is, for them, no adjustment at all."

Final two paragraphs of Krugman's:

"Talk to IMF people and they will go on about the impossibility of dealing with Syriza, their annoyance at the grandstanding, and so on. But we're not in high school here. And right now it's the creditors, much more than the Greeks, who keep moving the goalposts. So what is happening? Is the goal to break Syriza? Is it to force Greece into a presumably disastrous default, to encourage the others?

"At this point it's time to stop talking about "Graccident"; if Grexit happens it will be because the creditors, or at least the IMF, wanted it to happen."

Do those "IMF people" have names? I guess not.

anne said in reply to Sandwichman...

Perfectly contrasted and argued, and important.

pgl said in reply to Sandwichman...

This is sounding a lot like our Federal government. Nondefense purchasing is not that high even though we need a lot more infrastructure. Republicans have bitched about Social Security retirement benefits for decades. Cut taxes to hell and then demand a balanced budget even during weak aggregate demand. OK, Greece's problems are enormous but listen to Paul Ryan enough and we will become a banana republic.

[Jun 27, 2015] Tsipras Bailout Referendum Sham naked capitalism

"...not just greece. the collusion between the ECB and the French and German governments/banks, along with the IMF sends a clear message to all the European "junior" states."
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"...He stated that default would be "catastrophic" and that he saw his job as "attempting to save capitalism from itself." In short exactly the role that FDR played in the U.S. "
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"...Surely you can't believe Syriza is going to come out of that stronger? The banking system has basically collapsed, deal or no deal. Plus. the Troika proposal also contains the poison pill of VAT increases for the islands, which would drive a wedge between Syriza and it's nationalist allies. "
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"...The combination of political cravenness combined with short-sightedness and a recklessness built on arrogance displayed by the Troika should be truly sobering and is the real story, regardless of what now happens in Greece."
June 27, 2015 | economistsview.typepad.com

Chris Herbert said...

Greece doesn't need any loans. Greece doesn't need any debt. Once you are a monetary sovereign you call the shots. Just ask the United States, or China, or Japan. Or Iceland. The central bank can recapitalize the economy with a new drachma, the only currency that can be used domestically. It can fund infrastructure projects that invigorate the Greek economy without issuing debt because it is producing assets, not liabilities. It can do so by avoiding what Keynes describe as 'a bookkeepers nightmare.' Keynes: "The divorce between ownership and the real responsibility of management is serious within a country when, as a result of joint-stock enterprise, ownership is broken up between innumerable individuals who buy their interest today and sell it tomorrow and lack altogether both knowledge and responsibility towards what they momentarily own. But when the same principle is applied internationally, it is, in times of stress, intolerable - I am irresponsible towards what I own and those who operate what I own are irresponsible towards me. There may be some financial calculation which shows it to be advantageous that my savings should be invested in whatever quarter of the habitable globe shows the greatest marginal efficiency of capital or the highest rate of interest. But experience is accumulating that remoteness between ownership and operation is an evil in the relations between men, likely or certain in the long run to set up strains and enmities which will bring to nought the financial calculation....

National self-sufficiency, in short, though it costs something, may be becoming a luxury which we can afford if we happen to want it. Are there sufficient good reasons why we may happen to want it? The decadent international but individualistic capitalism, in the hands of which we found ourselves after the War, is not a success. It is not intelligent, it is not beautiful, it is not just, it is not virtuous - and it doesn't deliver the goods. In short, we dislike it and we are beginning to despise it. But when we wonder what to put in its place, we are extremely perplexed."

anne said in reply to Chris Herbert...

http://www.polyarchy.org/enough/texts/keynes.1933.html

1933

National self-sufficiency
By John Maynard Keynes

RC AKA Darryl, Ron said in reply to Chris Herbert...
Terrific!
Swedish Lex June 27, 2015 at 7:27 am

Thanks for long analysis.

Not sure I agree with all.

While Tsipras, Syriza & Co. certainly are not the team that would win the Super bowl, far from it, they are nevertheless not worse than the Troika in terms of incompetence, internal inconsistencies, having made populistic and crazy promises to voters on false pretenses, etc. Greece is the unruly teenager and the Troika are supposed to be the enlightened and responsible parents, even if it means being harsh. What we have instead is one entirely dysfunctional family.

My point is that even a 24 karat Greek Government would have an impossible task in negociating with the Ayatollahs of the Troika.

This game is therefore (unfortunately) not about acting rationally. Doing the right and responsible thing will not make you win or at least lose less.

Therefore I think that Tsipras move to launch a referendum is not bad. If the ECB shuts off the ELA – a couple of days before the citizens of Greece get to vote on the situation – then the ECB will (again) be confirmed at the Institution that kills democracy.

The Greek referendum has in my view been an option for the Greeks all the time. By doing it now "Ach mein Gott, way too late", the Greeks show that the creditors, and their parliaments, do not own the agenda (and hence cannot use it as pressure point).

What we are witnessing is clearly not a negotiation. It is political warfare with one pygmy state against a totally overwhelming force. I do not expect Greece to win this, in the end, but I hope that they will lose with dignity while the creditors win in infamy. This is not irrelevant since the next generation of Greeks will need to know that their parents refused to surrender to the, objectively, suicidal demands of the creditors....

Swedish Lex, June 27, 2015 at 7:33 am

I also believe that a Greek default would blow a big hole in the ECB's balance sheet, meaning that the euro states would have to inject tens of billions of new equity. Real money. TBC.

Freddo, June 27, 2015 at 7:52 am

I wonder how Merkel is feeling right now. I would interpret telling Tspiras to "shut up" as a sign she sees her legacy disappearing down a drain. Powerful leaders holding all the cards don't talk like that. Maybe she has suddenly realized she doesn't hold all the cards.
ennui, June 27, 2015 at 10:06 am

not just greece. the collusion between the ECB and the French and German governments/banks, along with the IMF sends a clear message to all the European "junior" states. the fact that the ECB has conducted a slow bank run in Greece destroys any trust national political leaders might have in a European banking system. you can't have a central bank which is willing to destroy the banking system of a member state to advance the political aims of other member states….

steviefinn, June 27, 2015 at 7:56 am

Swedish Lex

Agreed – & what is the difference in the end result between bowing & scraping & at least putting up some sort of fight ? Strikes me that it would eventually end up in much the same place anyway. Maybe morals don't count in this counting house world anymore, but however it ends, I personally am grateful to Syriza for allowing us more insight into the dealings of the EU Junta – which hopefully others will learn from, leading to a way of destoying this hydra.

Lambert Strether, June 27, 2015 at 1:23 pm
Not sure what mechanism you have in mind. From the post:

[Syriza's] assumption appears to have been that the national governments would find it too politically toxic to recognize losses on the debt they had extended to Greece through the EFSF and the Greek Bailout Fund. But maturities on these facilities have been extended and payments deferred. And the national governments do not have to mark to market. They will recognize losses only if and when Greece fails to make payments, which is years down the road. And even then, the pain is spread out over decades. That means Greece's supposed nuclear weapon turns out to be a pop gun.

Granted, these are country losses (after they were left holding the bag for German banks) but you do't explain how the ECB would lose. Would you, please?

Cugel, June 27, 2015 at 7:42 pm

Varoufakis last year explained everything before Syriza even took power. He stated that default would be "catastrophic" and that he saw his job as "attempting to save capitalism from itself." In short exactly the role that FDR played in the U.S.

The difference of course is that the U.S. had a sovereign currency and could run deficits and FDR didn't have to answer to the Troika. So, Syriza tried to get the creditors to see reason and see that it was in their long-term best interests to grant debt-relief. They failed because of EU arrogance, blind adherence to dogma, and short-term thinking. But, they certainly didn't have any other choice.

Yves has criticized them severely for not negotiating better. It is impossible to prove she's wrong that Syriza missed opportunities for finding a workable compromise, but I've never seen it as remotely plausible that the creditors would agree to anything Greece could accept.

The attempt at a referendum is obvious political theater and will be rejected by the Troika. It wouldn't work anyway. It is just another political ploy by Tsipras to cast the blame on the Troika by making them look bad, but they are long past the point of caring and just want Greece out of the EU.

Ben Johannson, June 27, 2015 at 3:35 pm

I can see no evidence that eurozone CB's must be in positive territory regarding its balance sheet or that member states must make any "hole" whole. They may demand it anyway given the leaders of the eurogang are likely as stupid as they look but it isn't an inevitability given the ECB does not require balance sheet solvency to conduct its operations.

ennui, June 27, 2015 at 1:15 pm

As Varoufakis notes in his recent statement, an agreement now would leave Syriza with a Greek economy in a deep depression, a banking system that has been strangled by the ECB with no commitment to confidence building, a requirement to create a fiscal surplus and monthly reviews by the IMF culminating in a repeat performance of this whole charade in November.

Surely you can't believe Syriza is going to come out of that stronger? The banking system has basically collapsed, deal or no deal. Plus. the Troika proposal also contains the poison pill of VAT increases for the islands, which would drive a wedge between Syriza and it's nationalist allies.

Whether it was intentional or not, Syriza's dogged commitment to this "negotiation" has illustrated just the degree to which the Troika are acting in bad faith. There were just two outcomes that were possible from this process: Syriza signing a deal which would be politically suicidal or Greek exit, and this was by design by the powers of Europe.

The combination of political cravenness combined with short-sightedness and a recklessness built on arrogance displayed by the Troika should be truly sobering and is the real story, regardless of what now happens in Greece.

[May 17, 2015] Ukraine Recession Deepens as GDP Falls 17.6%

Poor Ukrainian citizens got back to 90th instead of EU...
Notable quotes:
"... and it is a bit too much like the assumptions made by American and EU policy makers who originally thought that sanctions would get the Russian people to blame Putin. ..."
May 15, 2015 | NASDAQ.com

The contraction in Ukraine's economy accelerated to 17.6% in the first quarter compared with a year earlier, the State Statistics Service said Friday, hammered by a conflict with Russia-backed separatists in its eastern industrial heartland that has slashed industrial output.

Gross domestic product for the period slid 6.5% from the final quarter of 2014, the agency said. Ukraine reached a cease-fire deal with the separatists in February that has reduced--but not ended--fighting. Talks over a longer-term political resolution to the conflict have stalled with each side blaming the other.

The contraction was "a little bit worse than we estimated," according to Olena Bilan, chief economist at Dragon Capital brokerage. She said the economy had also been damaged by shrinking domestic consumption after the country's currency collapsed and inflation shot up. Retail spending was down 31% in March compared with the same month last year, according to Dragon Capital.

Still, analysts said the contraction in the last quarter is likely to be the worst for the year, as the economy's plunge began last summer as fighting picked up. Ukraine's government has forecast a 5.5% contraction this year, but the World Bank said last month that Ukraine's economy would shrink by 7.5%.

"In certain sectors are showing that the economy is testing the bottom," said Alexander Valchyshen, head of research at ICU investment firm, citing transportation and agriculture as examples of industries experiencing a turnaround. " Going forward I think the stronger decline we are having in the first quarter, the stronger rebound in the second half of the year, because last year it was the second half of the year when we started registering the collapse."

See also

kirill, May 16, 2015 at 6:45 am
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/gdp-decline-in-ukraine-accelerates-to-176-percent-in-q1-2015-statistics-388663.html

So Ukraine's GDP drop in 2015 is likely going to be over 20%. I recall Moody's, etc forecasting a GDP drop of 2% for Ukraine and 6% for Russia. The 2% figure actually is looking more realistic for Russia this year and is total BS if applied to Ukraine.

PaulR, May 16, 2015 at 9:49 am
That's quite a fall. Inflation is now almost 61%. http://www.tradingeconomics.com/ukraine/inflation-cpi
kirill, May 16, 2015 at 11:54 am
These numbers are full on depression ones. The USA's GDP went down 25% during the Great Depression. I see Ukraine going down 30% and Ukraine was not doing so well before this disaster started.
Hunter, May 16, 2015 at 7:14 am
Hey all, very interesting discussions.

Nice article Mark.

I have an observation though and a question:

First the observation – you suggest that the EU will come to blame America for the soured relationship with Russia.

I think that's a little bit too simplified to properly describe what might occur in Europe (I would imagine that only SOME EU members' populations will come to blame America, others will blame Russia for the EU's soured relationship with Russia) and it is a bit too much like the assumptions made by American and EU policy makers who originally thought that sanctions would get the Russian people to blame Putin. Just as how that assumption was faulty, the assumption that the EU will come to blame America could also probably be faulty and likely is given the deepset Russophobia in many parts of Europe.

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[May 11, 2015] Why Ukraine Still Cant Break Ties With Russian Aggressor State by Simon Shuster

Already Ukraine is approaching that point. With most of its scarce resources focused on fighting Russia's proxies in the east, Ukraine's leaders have watched their economy fall off a cliff, surviving only by the grace of massive loans from Western institutions like the International Monetary Fund, which approved another $17.5 billion last month to be disbursed over the next four years. But that assistance has not stopped the national currency of Ukraine from losing two-thirds of its value since last winter. In the last three months of 2014, the size of the economy contracted almost 15%, inflation shot up to 40%, and unemployment approached double digits.
Notable quotes:
"... "Personally, I do not consider Russia to be an aggressor," he said, looking down at his lap. ..."
"... Its economy cannot survive, he says, unless trade and cooperation with the "aggressor state" continue, regardless how much Russia has done in the past year to sow conflict in Ukraine. ..."
"... Already Ukraine is approaching that point. With most of its scarce resources focused on fighting Russia's proxies in the east, Ukraine's leaders have watched their economy fall off a cliff, surviving only by the grace of massive loans from Western institutions like the International Monetary Fund, which approved another $17.5 billion last month to be disbursed over the next four years. But that assistance has not stopped the national currency of Ukraine from losing two-thirds of its value since last winter. In the last three months of 2014, the size of the economy contracted almost 15%, inflation shot up to 40%, and unemployment approached double digits. ..."
"... About 40% of its orders normally come from Russia, which relies on Turboatom for most of the turbines that run its nuclear power stations. ..."
"... So for all the aid coming from the state-backed institutions in the U.S. and Europe, Cherkassky says, "those markets haven't exactly met us with open arms." ..."
Apr 13, 2015 | TIME

Having survived an assassin's bullet, a revolution and a war, Gennady Kernes now faces a fight over Ukraine's constitution

One afternoon in late February, Gennady Kernes, the mayor of Kharkov, Ukraine's second largest city, pushed his wheelchair away from the podium at city hall and, with a wince of discomfort, allowed his bodyguards to help him off the stage. The day's session of the city council had lasted several hours, and the mayor's pain medication had begun to wear off. It was clear from the grimace on his face how much he still hurt from the sniper's bullet that nearly killed him last spring. But he collected himself, adjusted his tie and rolled down the aisle to the back of the hall, where the press was waiting to grill him.

"Gennady Adolfovich," one of the local journalists began, politely addressing the mayor by his name and patronymic. "Do you consider Russia to be an aggressor?" He had seen this loaded question coming. The previous month, Ukraine's parliament had unanimously voted to declare Russia an "aggressor state," moving the two nations closer to a formal state of war after nearly a year of armed conflict. Kernes, long known as a shrewd political survivor, was among the only prominent officials in Ukraine to oppose this decision, even though he knew he could be branded a traitor for it. "Personally, I do not consider Russia to be an aggressor," he said, looking down at his lap.

It was a sign of his allegiance in the new phase of Ukraine's war. Since February, when a fragile ceasefire began to take hold, the question of the country's survival has turned to a debate over its reconstitution. Under the conditions of the truce, Russia has demanded that Ukraine embrace "federalization," a sweeping set of constitutional reforms that would take power away from the capital and redistribute it to the regions. Ukraine now has to decide how to meet this demand without letting its eastern provinces fall deeper into Russia's grasp.

The state council charged with making this decision convened for the first time on April 6, and President Petro Poroshenko gave it strict instructions. Some autonomy would have to be granted to the regions, he said, but Russia's idea of federalization was a red line he wouldn't cross. "It is like an infection, a biological weapon, which is being imposed on Ukraine from abroad," the President said. "Its bacteria are trying to infect Ukraine and destroy our unity."

Kernes sees it differently. His city of 1.4 million people is a sprawling industrial powerhouse, a traditional center of trade and culture whose suburbs touch the Russian border. Its economy cannot survive, he says, unless trade and cooperation with the "aggressor state" continue, regardless how much Russia has done in the past year to sow conflict in Ukraine.

"That's how the Soviet Union built things," Kernes explains in his office at the mayoralty, which is decorated with an odd collection of gifts and trinkets, such as a stuffed lion, a robotic-looking sculpture of a scorpion, and a statuette of Kernes in the guise of Vladimir Lenin, the founder of the Soviet Union. "That's how our factories were set up back in the day," he continues. "It's a fact of life. And what will we do if Russia, our main customer, stops buying?" To answer his own question, he uses an old provincialism: "It'll be cat soup for all of us then," he said.

Already Ukraine is approaching that point. With most of its scarce resources focused on fighting Russia's proxies in the east, Ukraine's leaders have watched their economy fall off a cliff, surviving only by the grace of massive loans from Western institutions like the International Monetary Fund, which approved another $17.5 billion last month to be disbursed over the next four years. But that assistance has not stopped the national currency of Ukraine from losing two-thirds of its value since last winter. In the last three months of 2014, the size of the economy contracted almost 15%, inflation shot up to 40%, and unemployment approached double digits.

But that pain will be just the beginning, says Kernes, unless Ukraine allows its eastern regions to develop economic ties with Russia. As proof he points to the fate of Turboatom, his city's biggest factory, which produces turbines for both Russian and Ukrainian power stations. Its campus takes up more than five square kilometers near the center of Kharkov, like a city within a city, complete with dormitories and bathhouses for its 6,000 employees. On a recent evening, its deputy director, Alexei Cherkassky, was looking over the factory's sales list as though it were a dire medical prognosis. About 40% of its orders normally come from Russia, which relies on Turboatom for most of the turbines that run its nuclear power stations.

"Unfortunately, all of our major industries are intertwined with Russia in this way," Cherkassky says. "So we shouldn't fool ourselves in thinking we can be independent from Russia. We are totally interdependent." Over the past year, Russia has started cutting back on orders from Turboatom as part of its broader effort to starve Ukraine's economy, and the factory has been forced as a result to cut shifts, scrap overtime and push hundreds of workers into retirement.

At least in the foreseeable future, it does not have the option of shifting sales to Europe. "Turbines aren't iPhones," says Cherkassky. "You don't switch them out every few months." And the ones produced at Turboatom, like nearly all of Ukraine's heavy industry, still use Soviet means of production that don't meet the needs of most Western countries. So for all the aid coming from the state-backed institutions in the U.S. and Europe, Cherkassky says, "those markets haven't exactly met us with open arms."

Russia knows this. For decades it has used the Soviet legacy of interdependence as leverage in eastern Ukraine. The idea of its "federalization" derives in part from this reality. For two decades, one of the leading proponents of this vision has been the Russian politician Konstantin Zatulin, who heads the Kremlin-connected institute in charge of integrating the former Soviet space. Since at least 2004, he has been trying to turn southeastern Ukraine into a zone of Russian influence – an effort that got him banned from entering the country between 2006 and 2010.

His political plan for controlling Ukraine was put on hold last year, as Russia began using military means to achieve the same ends. But the current ceasefire has brought his vision back to the fore. "If Ukraine accepts federalization, we would have no need to tear Ukraine apart," Zatulin says in his office in Moscow, which is cluttered with antique weapons and other military bric-a-brac. Russia could simply build ties with the regions of eastern Ukraine that "share the Russian point of view on all the big issues," he says. "Russia would have its own soloists in the great Ukrainian choir, and they would sing for us. This would be our compromise."

It is a compromise that Kernes seems prepared to accept, despite everything he has suffered in the past year of political turmoil. Early on in the conflict with Russia, he admits that he flirted with ideas of separatism himself, and he fiercely resisted the revolution that brought Poroshenko's government to power last winter. In one of its first decisions, that government even brought charges against Kernes for allegedly abducting, threatening and torturing supporters of the revolution in Kharkov. After that, recalls Zatulin, the mayor "simply chickened out." Facing a long term in prison, Kernes accepted Ukraine's new leaders and turned his back on the separatist cause, refusing to allow his city to hold a referendum on secession from Ukraine.

"And you know what I got for that," Kernes says. "I got a bullet." On April 28, while he was exercising near a city park, an unidentified sniper shot Kernes in the back with a high-caliber rifle. The bullet pierced his lung and shredded part of his liver, but it also seemed to shore up his bona fides as a supporter of Ukrainian unity. The state dropped its charges against him soon after, and he was able to return to his post.

It wasn't the first time he made such an incredible comeback. In 2007, while he was serving as adviser to his friend and predecessor, Mikhail Dobkin, a video of them trying to film a campaign ad was leaked to the press. It contained such a hilarious mix of bumbling incompetence and backalley obscenity that both of their careers seemed sure to be over. Kernes not only survived that scandal but was elected mayor a few years later.

Now the fight over Ukraine's federalization is shaping up to be his last. In late March, as he continued demanding more autonomy for Ukraine's eastern regions, the state re-opened its case against him for alleged kidnapping and torture, which he has always denied. The charges, he says, are part of a campaign against all politicians in Ukraine who support the restoration of civil ties with Russia. "They don't want to listen to reason," he says.

But one way or another, the country will still have to let its eastern regions to do business with the enemy next door, "because that's where the money is," Kernes says. No matter how much aid Ukraine gets from the IMF and other Western backers, it will not be enough to keep the factories of Kharkov alive. "They'll just be left to rot without our steady clients in Russia." Never mind that those clients may have other plans for Ukraine in mind.

[May 10, 2015] Obama s Petulant WWII Snub of Russia by Ray McGovern

Notable quotes:
"... Though designed to isolate Russia because it had the audacity to object to the Western-engineered coup d'état in Ukraine on Feb. 22, 2014, this snub of Russia's President Vladimir Putin – like the economic sanctions against Russia – is likely to backfire on the U.S. ..."
"... Obama's boycott is part of a crass attempt to belittle Russia and to cram history itself into an anti-Putin, anti-Russian alternative narrative. ..."
"... Even George Friedman, the president of the Washington-Establishment-friendly think-tank STRATFOR, has said publicly in late 2014: "Russia calls the events that took place at the beginning of this year a coup d'état organized by the United States. And it truly was the most blatant coup in history." ..."
"... So there! Gotcha! Russian aggression! But what the Post neglected to remind readers was that the U.S.-backed coup had occurred on Feb. 22 and that Putin has consistently said that a key factor in his actions toward Crimea came from Russian fears that NATO would claim the historic naval base at Sevastopol in Crimea, representing a strategic threat to his country. ..."
"... Last fall, John Mearsheimer, a pre-eminent political science professor at the University of Chicago, stunned those who had been misled by the anti-Russian propaganda when he placed an article in the Very-Establishment journal Foreign Affairs entitled "Why the Ukraine Crisis is the West's Fault." ..."
"... Much of this American tendency to disdain other nations' concerns, fears and points of pride go back to the Washington Establishment's dogma that special rules or (perhaps more accurately) no rules govern U.S. behavior abroad – American exceptionalism. This arrogant concept, which puts the United States above all other nations like some Olympic god looking down on mere mortals, is often invoked by Obama and other leading U.S. politicians. ..."
"... Putin added, though, "I would rather disagree with a case he made on American exceptionalism," adding: "It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord's blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal." ..."
May 09, 2015 | antiwar.com
President Barack Obama's decision to join other Western leaders in snubbing Russia's weekend celebration of the 70th anniversary of Victory in Europe looks more like pouting than statesmanship, especially in the context of the U.S. mainstream media's recent anti-historical effort to downplay Russia's crucial role in defeating Nazism.

Though designed to isolate Russia because it had the audacity to object to the Western-engineered coup d'état in Ukraine on Feb. 22, 2014, this snub of Russia's President Vladimir Putin – like the economic sanctions against Russia – is likely to backfire on the U.S. and its European allies by strengthening ties between Russia and the emerging Asian giants of China and India.

Notably, the dignitaries who will show up at this important commemoration include the presidents of China and India, representing a huge chunk of humanity, who came to show respect for the time seven decades ago when the inhumanity of the Nazi regime was defeated – largely by Russia's stanching the advance of Hitler's armies, at a cost of 20 to 30 million lives.

Obama's boycott is part of a crass attempt to belittle Russia and to cram history itself into an anti-Putin, anti-Russian alternative narrative. It is difficult to see how Obama and his friends could have come up with a pettier and more gratuitous insult to the Russian people.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel – caught between Washington's demand to "isolate" Russia over the Ukraine crisis and her country's historic guilt in the slaughter of so many Russians – plans to show up a day late to place a wreath at a memorial for the war dead.

But Obama, in his childish display of temper, will look rather small to those who know the history of the Allied victory in World War II. If it were not for the Red Army's costly victories against the German invaders, particularly the tide-turning battle at Stalingrad in 1943-1944, the prospects for the later D-Day victory in Normandy in June 1944 and the subsequent defeat of Adolf Hitler would have been much more difficult if not impossible.

Yet, the current Russia-bashing in Washington and the mainstream U.S. media overrides these historical truths. For instance, a New York Times article by Neil MacFarquhar on Friday begins: "The Russian version of Hitler's defeat emphasizes the enormous, unrivaled sacrifices made by the Soviet people to end World War II " But that's not the "Russian version"; that's the history.

For its part, the Washington Post chose to run an Associated Press story out of Moscow reporting: "A state-of-the-art Russian tank on Thursday ground to a halt during the final Victory Day rehearsal. After an attempt to tow it failed, the T-14 rolled away under its own steam 15 minutes later." (Subtext: Ha, ha! Russia's newest tank gets stuck on Red Square! Ha, ha!).

This juvenile approach to pretty much everything that's important - not just U.S.-Russia relations - has now become the rule. From the U.S. government to the major U.S. media, it's as if the "cool kids" line up in matching fashions creating a gauntlet to demean and ridicule whoever the outcast of the day is. And anyone who doesn't go along becomes an additional target of abuse.

That has been the storyline for the Ukraine crisis throughout 2014 and into 2015. Everyone must agree that Putin provoked all the trouble as part of some Hitler-like ambition to conquer much of eastern Europe and rebuild a Russian empire. If you don't make the obligatory denunciations of "Russian aggression," you are called a "Putin apologist" or "Putin bootlicker."

Distorting the History

So, the evidence-based history of the Western-sponsored coup in Kiev on Feb. 22, 2014, must be forgotten or covered up. Indeed, about a year after the events, the New York Times published a major "investigative" article that ignored all the facts of a U.S.-backed coup in declaring there was no coup.

The Times didn't even mention the notorious, intercepted phone call between Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt in early February 2014 in which Nuland was handpicking the future leaders, including her remark "Yats is the guy," a reference to Arseniy Yatsenyuk who – after the coup – quickly became prime minister. [See Consortiumnews.com's "NYT Still Pretends No Coup in Ukraine."]

Even George Friedman, the president of the Washington-Establishment-friendly think-tank STRATFOR, has said publicly in late 2014: "Russia calls the events that took place at the beginning of this year a coup d'état organized by the United States. And it truly was the most blatant coup in history."

Beyond simply ignoring facts, the U.S. mainstream media has juggled the time line to make Putin's reaction to the coup – and the threat it posed to the Russian naval base in Crimea – appear to be, instead, evidence of his instigation of the already unfolding conflict.

For example, in a "we-told-you-so" headline on March 9, the Washington Post declared: "Putin had early plan to annex Crimea." Then, quoting AP, the Post reported that Putin himself had just disclosed "a secret meeting with officials in February 2014 Putin said that after the meeting he told the security chiefs that they would be 'obliged to start working to return Crimea to Russia.' He said the meeting was held Feb. 23, 2014, almost a month before a referendum in Crimea that Moscow has said was the basis for annexing the region."

So there! Gotcha! Russian aggression! But what the Post neglected to remind readers was that the U.S.-backed coup had occurred on Feb. 22 and that Putin has consistently said that a key factor in his actions toward Crimea came from Russian fears that NATO would claim the historic naval base at Sevastopol in Crimea, representing a strategic threat to his country.

Putin also knew from opinion polls that most of the people of Crimea favored reunification with Russia, a reality that was underscored by the March referendum in which some 96 percent voted to leave Ukraine and rejoin Russia.

But there was not one scintilla of reliable evidence that Putin intended to annex Crimea before he felt his hand forced by the putsch in Kiev. The political reality was that no Russian leader could afford to take the risk that Russia's only warm-water naval base might switch to new NATO management. If top U.S. officials did not realize that when they were pushing the coup in early 2014, they know little about Russian strategic concerns – or simply didn't care.

Last fall, John Mearsheimer, a pre-eminent political science professor at the University of Chicago, stunned those who had been misled by the anti-Russian propaganda when he placed an article in the Very-Establishment journal Foreign Affairs entitled "Why the Ukraine Crisis is the West's Fault."

You did not know that such an article was published? Chalk that up to the fact that the mainstream media pretty much ignored it. Mearsheimer said this was the first time he encountered such widespread media silence on an article of such importance.

The Sole Indispensable Country

Much of this American tendency to disdain other nations' concerns, fears and points of pride go back to the Washington Establishment's dogma that special rules or (perhaps more accurately) no rules govern U.S. behavior abroad – American exceptionalism. This arrogant concept, which puts the United States above all other nations like some Olympic god looking down on mere mortals, is often invoked by Obama and other leading U.S. politicians.

That off-putting point has not been missed by Putin even as he has sought to cooperate with Obama and the United States. On Sept. 11, 2013, a week after Putin bailed Obama out, enabling him to avoid a new war on Syria by persuading Syria to surrender its chemical weapons, Putin wrote in an op-ed published by the New York Times that he appreciated the fact that "My working and personal relationship with President Obama is marked by growing trust."

Putin added, though, "I would rather disagree with a case he made on American exceptionalism," adding: "It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord's blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal."

More recently, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov drove home this point in the context of World War II. This week, addressing a meeting to mark the 70th anniversary of Victory in Europe, Lavrov included a pointed warning: "Today as never before it is important not to forget the lessons of that catastrophe and the terrible consequences that spring from faith in one's own exceptionalism."

The irony is that as the cameras pan the various world leaders in the Red Square reviewing stand on Saturday, Obama's absence will send a message that the United States has little appreciation for the sacrifice of the Russian people in bearing the brunt – and breaking the back – of Hitler's conquering armies. It is as if Obama is saying that the "exceptional" United States didn't need anyone's help to win World War II.

President Franklin Roosevelt was much wiser, understanding that it took extraordinary teamwork to defeat Nazism in the 1940s, which is why he considered the Soviet Union a most important military ally. President Obama is sending a very different message, a haughty disdain for the kind of global cooperation which succeeded in ridding the world of Adolf Hitler.

Ray McGovern works with Tell the Word, a publishing arm of the ecumenical Church of the Saviour in inner-city Washington. He is a 30-year veteran of the CIA and Army intelligence and co-founder of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS). McGovern served for considerable periods in all four of CIA's main directorates.

[Feb 15, 2015] Michael Hudson: Has the IMF Annexed Ukraine?

"...HUDSON: First of all, the terms on which the IMF make loans require more austerity and a withdrawal of all the public subsidies. The Ukrainian population already is economically devastated. The conditions that the IMF's program is laying down for making loans to Ukraine is that it must repay the debts. But it doesn't have the ability to pay. So there's only one way to do it, and that's the way that the IMF has told Greece and other countries to do: It has to begin selling off whatever the nation has left of its public domain; or, to have your leading oligarchs take on partnerships with American or European investors, so that they can buy out into the monopolies in the Ukraine and indulge in rent-extraction."
"...This idea that foreign debts can be paid by squeezing out domestic tax revenues was controverted by Keynes in the 1920s in his discussion of German reparations. (I devote a chapter to reviewing the controversy in my Trade, Development and Foreign Debt.) There is no excuse for making this error -- except that the error is deliberate, and is intended to lead to failure, so that the IMF can then say that to everyone's surprise and nobody's blame, their "stabilization program" destabilized rather than stabilized the economy."
"...The penalty for following this junk economics must be paid by the victim, not by the victimizer. This is part of the IMF's "blame the victim" strategy."
"...The IMF also insists that debtor countries dismantle public regulations against foreign investment, as well as consumer protection and environmental protection regulations. This means that what is in store for Ukraine is a neoliberal policy that's guaranteed to actually make the situation even worse."
February 15, 2015 | nakedcapitalism.com

Yves here. Ukraine is going into an IMF program in even worse condition that Greece with its various loans from the Troika in 2010, and we can see how well borrowing more when you were already overindebted worked out for Greece. In addition, this interview with Michael Hudson makes clear that the loan to Ukraine is wildly out of line with IMF rules, making it painfully obvious that this "rescue" is all about propping up the government so it can continue to wage war rather than economic development.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MptYEsV159s

SHARMINI PERIES, EXEC. PRODUCER, TRNN: Welcome to the Michael Hudson report on The Real News Network. I'm Sharmini Peries, coming to you from Baltimore.

A ceasefire in Eastern Ukraine has been agreed to, following a marathon all-night, 17-hour negotiation between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Ukraine President Petro Poroshenko. They were flanked by other European leaders keeping vigil. Russia and Ukraine may have many differences, but what they have in common is a looming economic crisis, with oil prices taking a dive on the Russian side and a very expensive war they were not counting on on the Ukrainian side.

Joining us now to talk about all of this is Michael Hudson. He is a distinguished research professor of economics at the University of Missouri-Kansas City. His upcoming book is titled Killing the Host: How Financial Parasites and Debt Bondage Destroyed the Global Economy.

Michael, thank you, as always, for joining us.

MICHAEL HUDSON, ECONOMICS PROF., UNIV. OF MISSOURI, KANSAS CITY: Good to be here.

PERIES: So, Michael, in a recent interview published in The National Interest magazine, you said that most media covers Russia as if it is the greatest threat to Ukraine. History suggests the IMF may be far moredangerous. What did you mean by that?

HUDSON: First of all, the terms on which the IMF make loans require more austerity and a withdrawal of all the public subsidies. The Ukrainian population already is economically devastated. The conditions that the IMF's program is laying down for making loans to Ukraine is that it must repay the debts. But it doesn't have the ability to pay. So there's only one way to do it, and that's the way that the IMF has told Greece and other countries to do: It has to begin selling off whatever the nation has left of its public domain; or, to have your leading oligarchs take on partnerships with American or European investors, so that they can buy out into the monopolies in the Ukraine and indulge in rent-extraction.

This is the IMF's one-two punch. Punch number one is: here's the loan -- to pay your bondholders, so that you now owe us, the IMF, to whom you can't write down debts. The terms of this loan is to believe our Guiding Fiction: that you can pay foreign debt by running a domestic budgetary surplus, by cutting back public spending and causing an even deeper depression.

This idea that foreign debts can be paid by squeezing out domestic tax revenues was controverted by Keynes in the 1920s in his discussion of German reparations. (I devote a chapter to reviewing the controversy in my Trade, Development and Foreign Debt.) There is no excuse for making this error -- except that the error is deliberate, and is intended to lead to failure, so that the IMF can then say that to everyone's surprise and nobody's blame, their "stabilization program" destabilized rather than stabilized the economy.

The penalty for following this junk economics must be paid by the victim, not by the victimizer. This is part of the IMF's "blame the victim" strategy.

The IMF then throws its Number Two punch. It says, "Oh, you can't pay us? I'm sorry that our projections were so wrong. But you've got to find some way to pay -- by forfeiting whatever assets your economy may still have in domestic hands.

The IMF has been wrong on Ukraine year after year, almost as much as it's been wrong on Ireland and on Greece. Its prescriptions are the same as those that devastated Third World economies from the 1970s onward.

So now the problem becomes one of just what Ukraine is going to have to sell off to pay the foreign debts -- run up increasingly for waging the war that's devastated its economy.

One asset that foreign investors want is Ukrainian farmland. Monsanto has been buying into Ukraine -- or rather, leasing its land, because Ukraine has a law against alienating its farmland and agricultural land to foreigners. And a matter of fact, its law is very much the same as what the Financial Times reports Australia is wanting to do to block Chinese and American purchase of farmland.[1]

The IMF also insists that debtor countries dismantle public regulations against foreign investment, as well as consumer protection and environmental protection regulations. This means that what is in store for Ukraine is a neoliberal policy that's guaranteed to actually make the situation even worse.

In that sense, finance is war. Finance is the new kind of warfare, using finance and forced sell-offs in a new kind of battlefield. This will not help Ukraine. It promises to lead to yet another crisis down the road very, very quickly.

PERIES: Michael, let's unpack the debt in this crisis. The war has led Ukraine into a deeper crisis. Talk about the devastation that has caused and what they have to manage in addition to what the IMF is trying to impose on it.

HUDSON: When Kiev went to war against Eastern Ukraine, it fought primarily the coal mining region and theexport region. Thirty-eight percent of Ukraine's exports are to Russia. Yet much of this export capacity has been bombed out of existence. Also, the electric companies that fuel the electricity to the coal mines been bombed out. So Ukraine can't even supply itself with coal.

What is so striking about all this is that just a few weeks ago, on January 28, Christine Lagarde, the head of the IMF, said that the IMF does not make loans to countries that are engaged in war. That would befunding one side or another. Yet Ukraine is involved in a civil war. The great question is thus when the IMF will even begin to release the loan it has been discussing.

Also, the IMF articles of agreement say that it cannot make loans to an insolvent country. So how on earth can it be part of a loan bailout for the Ukraine if, number one, it's at war (which has to stop totally), and number two, it's insolvent?

The only solution is that Ukraine will scale back its debts to private investors. And that means a lot of contrarian hedge funds investors. The Financial Times today has an article showing that one American investor alone, Michael Hasenstab, has $7 billion of Ukraine debts and wants to speculate in it, along with Templeton Global Bond Fund.[2] How is Ukraine going to treat the speculators? And then, finally, how is the IMF going to treat the fact that Russia's sovereign fund lent 3 billion euros to the Ukraine on harsh terms through the London agreement terms that can't be written down? Is the IMF going to insist that Russia take the same haircut that it's imposing on the hedge funds? All of this is going to be the kind of conflict that's going to take much more effort than even the solutions that we've seen over the last few days have taken on the military battlefront.

PERIES: And so how could Ukraine imagine getting out of this crisis?

HUDSON: It probably imagines a dream world in which it'll get out of the crisis by the West giving it $50 billion and saying, here's all the money you need, spend it as you want. That's the extent of its imagination. It is fantasy, of course. It's living in a dream world -- except that a few weeks ago, George Soros came out in The New York Review of Books and urged Congress and "the West" to give Ukraine $50 billion and look at it as a down payment on military or with Russia. Well, immediately Kiev said, yes, we will only spend them on defensive arms. We will defend Ukraine all the way up toSiberia as we wipe out the Russians.

Bit today a Financial Times editorial said, yes, give Ukraine the $50 billion that George Soros asked for.[3] We've got to enable it to have enough money to fight America's New Cold War against Russia. But the continental Europeans are saying, "Wait a minute. At the end of this, there'll be no more Ukrainians to fight. The war might even spread into Poland and into elsewhere, because if the money that's given to Ukraine is really for what the Obama administration and Hillary and Soros are all pressing for -- to go to war with Russia -- then Russia's going to say, 'Okay, if we're being attacked by foreign troops, we're going to have to not only bomb the troops, but the airports they are coming in through, and the railway stations they're coming in through. We're going to extend our own defense towards Europe.'"

Apparently there are reports that Putin told Europe, look, you have two choices before you. Choice one: Europe, Germany and Russia can be a very prosperous area. With Russia's raw materials and European technology, we can be one of the most prosperous areas in the world. Or, Choice two: You can go to war with us and you can be wiped out. Take your choice.

PERIES: Michael, complex and interesting times in Ukraine, as well as at the IMF. Thank you so much for joining us.

HUDSON: It's good to be here, Sharmini.

PERIES: And thank you for joining us on The Real News Network.

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    cripes, February 15, 2015 at 4:20 am

    Well, Michael, don't sugarcoat it for us.

    Of course, it's hard to argue with his perspective: the war state impoverishes everyone except the war profiteers, which now includes the western financial system in full flower.

    Maybe my 401K has an emerging market fund so I can profit from Slavic misery?

    That's about the extent of our democratic participation in this fiasco.
    Disgusting.

    participant-observer-observed, February 15, 2015 at 3:39 pm

    Hudson's voice needs echoing, since the reality here is much worse than 401k investments gone evil

    As FL Rep A Grayson pointed out in January (Fake Trade TPP), with 14 yeas of half-trillion trade deficits, USA has nothing left to export than death and destruction, and since no one wants to buy it, it can only be peddled through force or swindling.

    That's one reason Hudson did not fail to mention Monsanto, which has found no one is interested in their sterile seeds. This is like dumping nuclear wastes in developing countries.

    James Levy, February 15, 2015 at 6:41 am

    Every army needs motivated and competent trigger-pullers. What this and other policies of Washington, Berlin, and Kiev are doing is making almost all potential Ukrainian trigger-pullers (except for the fanatical right-wing nationalist kind) disgruntled, demoralized, or already in flight from service. The more desperate measures the West and Kiev take to "win" this war the worse things get and the less likely they are to come out with even a respectable draw. The Donbas rebels and their Russian backers would be wise to just apply moderate pressure over time and let the Kiev government implode.

    Procopius., February 15, 2015 at 7:39 am

    This is why I've thought there was a Great Divide within the IMF.

    After reading Prof. Hudson's comments here I'm thinking there isn't really a divide - the so-called research part of the IMF is actually a public relations exercise.

    They come out and say, "Oh, our new research shows that we actually greatly underestimated the multiplier effect of austerity. So sorry, we won't make that mistake again."

    Then the knuckledraggers* who actually implement IMF policy go out and demand exactly the same terms the next time. From what I've read the IMF research people are actually pretty good, and lots of stenographers and right-leaning economists praise them to the skies as creating good policy, but they don't actually affect policy at all.

    *knuckledraggers - originally the operations division in the CIA, the guys who were actually out there conducting coups and killing people, so called in contrast to the analysts. I don't know what the operations people called the analysts, but I'll bet it's not fit for a family oriented publication.

    Pearl, February 15, 2015 at 8:39 am

    I hate that I'm always the one here at N.C. who has to have things "dumbed down" for me.

    But I have learned that when Michael Hudson speaks -- I want to be in the front row and listening intently to what he has to say -- because, where Professor Hudson leads, I ultimately always seem to follow. So, may I stop and regurgitate what I think Professor Hudson is saying -- and then let you smart people correct me and, hopefully (and helpfully) enable me to make sure that I have, at least, a rudimentary grasp on that which he has said? (And to correct me and to further elaborate, if anyone has the time or patience for it.)

    Okay. So, if my pea-sized brain were asked to explain (in housewife-ese) what Professor Hudson is saying, would I be on the right track in asking the following questions and making the following assumptions?

    1) Is Professor Hudson suggesting that Putin is suggesting one of two options -- that Russia, Germany, and Europe will either be allowed to play nice together (in the sandbox that we call the European Continent), making up a happy, well-balanced, partnership/playgroup, OR…… the U.S. will help fund the defense of Ukraine so that Ukraine will go to war defending itself against Russia (which Ukraine would, obviously and ultimately lose without U.S. boots on the ground)?

    2) And is Professor Hudson suggesting that Putin is saying that if the latter scenario is chosen, and that once a military operation involving the U.S. is underway, Russia would just go ahead and undertake a more hostility-induced "insertion of itself" into said German/European sandbox?

    3) Although not addressed directly in Professor's Hudson's commentary above, does Professor Hudson think that this is Putin's Russia trying to re-assert Russia's domination over the European continent or is this just Russia wanting to be taken as a serious and trustworthy playmate in the EU sandbox? (Is Russia having a little temper tantrum that is worth giving in to, or is this Russia being, ya know -- just a re-branded USSR?)

    *******

    Because the latter seems like a pretty significant threat, doesn't it?

    And if (we think) that Putin's end-goal is "total bully-driven European sandbox domination," that sort of seems like not a very good situation for Europe or for the U.S. (I would think?)

    And, furthermore, if "total bully-driven European sandbox domination," is what Putin has in mind, I think I could see my way clear to allowing a few of our militaristic capabilities a bit closer-in and a bit more "visible" to Putin at this point in time. (I mean -- we gotta park our fleet of battleships somewhere, anyway.)

    I don't want a war with Putin's Russia, but I think that I so much don't want a war that I would tend to want for Putin to get the message that he'll be given very little latitude in his behavior -- until we're absolutely certain that his intention is only to be allowed to make new friends and to flourish in the EU sandbox; not total sandbox domination.

    (And, btw, he can start by leaving his shirt on and leaving his tiger at home. I mean -- we need to see that he is capable of confining himself to a few very basic social norms, right?) :-)

    Nevertheless, I'm still not sure that I have understood the true underlying issues as Professor Hudson has tried to convey them -- and I have always looked to Professor Hudson as always being an authoritative commentator on "underlying issues."

    So -- I would greatly appreciate any feedback, insight or clarification that anyone has to offer me. Thanks.

    sleepy, February 15, 2015 at 9:01 am

    Really? No need to dress up your Putin hate in rhetorical cuteness.

    Pearl, February 15, 2015 at 12:22 pm

    @ Sleepy.

    May I call you "Grumpy," instead? :-)

    I'm sorry if I prompted you to distill down my words into some organic form of "Putin-hatred."

    On the other hand, thank you for referring to my rhetoric as "cute." (I must admit -- I'm quite flattered. Ya know -- I'm at that awkward age of 51 -- anything about me that may once have been considered "cute" is now sagging or drooping or expanding or wrinkling. And any promise of being "cute," as in the Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg sense of the word, the "lovable Bubbe" sort of "cute" -- is still quite a few years off.) So I sorta feel like Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer in the 1960s Rankin Bass classic of the same name when Clarice refers to Rudolf as "cute." Indeed -- all day long there's gonna be an extra little bounce in my step as I think to myself, "Sleepy" at Naked Capitalism thinks my rhetoric is CUTE!!!

    I did not mean for my questions and/or comments to come off as sounding as though I hated Mr. Putin. Indeed, I have never met the man, and I do not know if I would like him or not. But my bar for hatred is a very high bar -- like Adolf Hitler high. So I doubt very much that I would hate Mr. Putin.

    Perhaps, if I were a better writer, my view of Mr. Putin would have struck you as nothing more than a healthy respect for a well-armed and powerful leader of a large country that is largely run by a handful of powerful business oligarchs in whom I have no trust.

    I made reference to the shirtless thing and the tiger thing (which, in retrospect, I probably shouldn't have done) only because my brain often frames world issues in terms of how I, a former preschool teacher, would deal with a playground of preschoolers.

    Putin's behavior in seemingly insignificant forums (i.e. shirtless, tiger-hugging photo-ops) is something that I refuse to disregard as "quirkiness." Indeed, I personally regard such behavior as a "red flag" that this is a person who operates outside of social norms, and is, therefore less predictable, and is therefore, more worthy of keeping a closer eye on.

    That's all.

    Furthermore, as a preschool teacher -- I would be keeping my eyes on my whole class. Putin? I would probably recommend a one-on-one aide for his initial mainstreaming. (It would benefit him in that it might help him to not fail, and it would benefit the other children who might be harmed by any of the many ways in which he might fail.)

    And, if Putin had been one of my preschoolers -- I most-certainly wouldn't have hated him; I've never hated a preschooler. I've never even disliked a preschooler.

    The IMF? I view them as administrators of the preschool who have never had any hands-on preschool teaching experience, and therefore, usually walk a precarious tightrope of being either useless or harmful. (Some of whom are UNintentionally clueless, some of whom are idiots, and some of whom are decent -- yet exist in a bubble without realizing it. Which makes most of them ill-suited for their jobs.)

    I don't exactly parade around N.C. as some sort of policy wonk. I am authentically what I claim to be. I'm literally just a housewife. And it just so happens that I used to teach preschool. And I am the first to admit that my "C.V." does not measure up to the C.V. of practically any of the other folks who occasionally comment here.

    I cannot convey to you the extent to which I wish that I could bring to this forum the background and experience of one who was expert in international diplomacy or geo-politics or even basic economics and finance. But I realized a long time ago that Yves allows me to come to this forum with the only experience and background that I have -- which is, admittedly, no more than and no less than that of an average housewife. (And, truth be told -- I'm really not even any good at being a housewife.)

    So, I'm grateful to have a forum such as Naked Capitalism to read and to sometimes even feel welcome enough to chime in, despite my lowly status. Indeed, I always look forward to having my questions answered and I look forward to gleaning insightful feedback to my occasional comments.

    But now I know I can come here for compliments on my rhetorical style, too!

    Now. How about you go pour yourself a cup of coffee, "Sleepy," and we'll call you "Happy," instead of "Sleepy" or "Grumpy?"

    (Did I mention that I used to teach preschool?)

    Left in Wisconsin, February 15, 2015 at 1:29 pm

    Complements on your sense of humor and good-natured-ness also.

    Ned Ludd, February 15, 2015 at 2:59 pm

    Examples of Pearl's sense of humor and good-natured-ness:

    • "Is Russia having a little temper tantrum that is worth giving in to, or is this Russia being, ya know -- just a re-branded USSR?… Because the latter seems like a pretty significant threat, doesn't it?"
    • "And, furthermore, if 'total bully-driven European sandbox domination,' is what Putin has in mind, I think I could see my way clear to allowing a few of our militaristic capabilities a bit closer-in and a bit more 'visible' to Putin at this point in time. (I mean -- we gotta park our fleet of battleships somewhere, anyway.)"

    A "fleet of battleships" is an instrument of war and death. Rhetorical cuteness should not mask the implied threat of violence, when moving "a few of our militaristic capabilities a bit closer-in and a bit more 'visible' to Putin".

    From Raúl Ilargi Meijer:

    [O]ur media told us Putin is the bogeyman. And 'we' never asked for any proof. […]

    But here we are: no proof and layer upon layer of sanctions. And nary a voice is raised in the west. If one is, it's to denounce the Russians as bloodthirsty barbarians. Even though there is no proof they did anything other than protecting what they see as their own people. Something we all would do too, no questions asked.

    Ukraine defines 2014 as the year western propaganda came into its own. Not just fictional stories about an economic recovery anymore, no, we had our politico-media establishment ram an entire new cold war down our throats. And we swallowed it whole.

    - 2014: The Year Propaganda Came Of Age

    craazyboy, February 15, 2015 at 3:10 pm

    I guess it's not surprising the Obots will be out in support of the New Cold War -- if they even plan on keeping it only a Cold War.

    No Drama Obama???? Puleeze.

    Besides -- I like seeing Putin having to pander to Russian voters. (all the macho leader stuff). Makes him seem like less of a "Mad Dictator".

    Pearl, February 15, 2015 at 6:16 pm

    @Ned Ludd

    Perhaps I wasn't clear, or perhaps my original comment was not put in the context of Michael Hudson's interview.

    Or perhaps most everyone on this thread had a really crappy Valentine's Day yesterday and they're taking out their frustrations on me today. I don't know.

    But I know this.

    I am the daughter of a Nazi Holocaust Camp Liberator. Here is a video clip of the day my father, an 18 year old Private from Sioux City Iowa, along with allied forces, liberated the Nazi camp at Ludwigslust.

    http://www.ushmm.org/online/film/display/detail.php?file_num=1397

    I was born into, raised in, and am a product of a family that is as about as "war-avoidant" as one could imagine. Nevertheless, I also understand and appreciate that there are times when it's nice to have a military force so that you can do stuff like helping to stop the extermination of entire race of humans.

    I also appreciate that Russians were our allies in that effort, and I grieve for the (literally) millions of Russians who died as a result of that war.

    So please do not misunderstand or mis-characterize any of my statements as being that of some sort of war monger.

    Here is the part of Michael Hudson's interview to which I was referring and then asking for clarification about:

    "[Bit] today a Financial Times editorial said, yes, give Ukraine the $50 billion that George Soros asked for.[3] We've got to enable it to have enough money to fight America's New Cold War against Russia. But the continental Europeans are saying, "Wait a minute. At the end of this, there'll be no more Ukrainians to fight. The war might even spread into Poland and into elsewhere, because if the money that's given to Ukraine is really for what the Obama administration and Hillary and Soros are all pressing for -- to go to war with Russia -- then Russia's going to say, 'Okay, if we're being attacked by foreign troops, we're going to have to not only bomb the troops, but the airports they are coming in through, and the railway stations they're coming in through. We're going to extend our own defense towards Europe.'"

    Apparently there are reports that Putin told Europe, look, you have two choices before you. Choice one: Europe, Germany and Russia can be a very prosperous area. With Russia's raw materials and European technology, we can be one of the most prosperous areas in the world. Or, Choice two: You can go to war with us and you can be wiped out. Take your choice."

    So, my question/observation was just (if the question is should we arm Ukraine against the Russians) is that, no we shouldn't -- because there would (in all likelihood) be a greater loss of life if we did that. And, in alternate, I was asking -- couldn't we, instead, just park a few of our ships over there and hope that everyone will play nice (as nice as possible under the circumstances.)

    I'm not saying that the parking of a few battleships over there is a good idea -- In fact, I'll gladly concede that it's quite possibly an entirely sucky idea. I was simply trying to come up with an alternative option to arming Ukraine with $50 billion of weaponry.

    We have a bloated military industrial complex; I hate that we do, and I wish that it weren't the case.

    I was just wondering if -- being that we already have this bloated military industrial complex -- couldn't we at least try to use it for something more innocuous -- like just some plumage-showing as opposed to arming a country that would lead ultimately to lot of death and destruction -- when, in the alternate, maybe just plumage-showing would do the trick.

    So I know this thread has out-lived its time -- but I just couldn't leave it inferred and dangling out there an insinuation that I am some sort of war-monger.

    OIFVet, February 15, 2015 at 6:50 pm

    "Plumage-showing" should be reserved for mating rituals. In matters of war and peace, it leads to escalations.

    Perhaps you missed this past year's attempts by the US to goad Russia into a war, and the Euro poodles willingness to submit to the US "leadership" even though that's ultimately not in their own best interests. That's what Putin would have been referring to when it came to the Euro's choices. This past week also saw the Euro's realization that the US is not interested in de-escalaton, and that any further escalation is only going to hurt Europe more. That's why Merkel and Hollande went to Moscow. They know that cornering Russia can only lead to Russia lashing out, Russia will never back out as it is not their way, and besides they have no place left to back out to, what with NATO's eastward march. . So please explain, if you can, how will "plumage showing" lead to de-escalation and enhanced Euro poodle security?

    Pearl, February 15, 2015 at 7:07 pm

    @Left in Wisconsin.

    I like you.

    You're my favorite.

    :-)

    juliania, February 15, 2015 at 1:50 pm

    I believe sleepy's comment was justified. No need to pile on. You gave two alternative negative assessments of Putin's motives.

    How about this one? A ceasefire in Ukraine, commencing now on an important Russian feast day and the 70th anniversary of the dreadful allied firebombing of Dresden, has components to it that are hugely humanitarian and devoutly to be wished for. You seem to be ignoring that fact in your rush to judgment.

    I will leave it at that.

    Pearl, February 15, 2015 at 6:40 pm

    @Juliania

    Who gave two alternative negative assessments of Putin's motives?

    I did?

    (I can't tell for sure if your comment was directed at me or not.)

    Just in case it was aimed at me, please let me draw attention to the fact that I was quoting Michael Hudson when he said:

    Apparently there are reports that Putin told Europe, look, you have two choices before you. Choice one: Europe, Germany and Russia can be a very prosperous area. With Russia's raw materials and European technology, we can be one of the most prosperous areas in the world. Or, Choice two: You can go to war with us and you can be wiped out. Take your choice.

    So those were NOT my assessments, and I don't even know that those were Michael Hudson's assessments. In fact I was trying to gain clarity on that point.

    And of course I want a ceasefire. I'm always in the "let's stop shooting at each other" camp.

    Hope that clears it up.

    Geesh. Rough crowd today.

    (You have a pretty name, btw. I was gonna name my son Juliana -- had he not been, you know -- a son. I like Juliania even more.) :-)

    OIFVet, February 15, 2015 at 2:29 pm

    Whose "mainstream" are you referring to? American? If so, that's rather blatant exceptionalism and "indispensable nation"-mongering. Which is the US political way of going shirtless on a horse while pledging to spread "freedum and democracy" everywhere there's oil and/or other strategic interests.

    craazyboy, February 15, 2015 at 9:08 am

    The Pentagon has already revealed the Weird and Shocking Truth -- Putin is one of the Lizard People!

    He has plans to subvert the IMF using alien mind control techniques and have the IMF loan Mexico 50 billion dollars so that Mexico may purchase arms (the defensive kind -- like the US DEFENSE DEPT has!) and defend itself from US and NATO Adventurism. But Inquiring minds ask, "Will It Stop There?! Will Mexico roll across our borders?". Of course they will. Central America basically sucks, so no reason to go that direction.

    Clearly, the West must act preemptively towards this real threat and defend whatever allies we install -- anywhere in our free world!

    NotTimothyGeithner, February 15, 2015 at 9:13 am

    From Putin's perspective, NATO has been rapidly growing, the U.S. is a drunk child on the world stage, Russian peace keepers have already been attacked by an adviser to Poroshenko*, has faced economic sanctions (an act of war by most standards), sees old time Bandarists running Kiev, is compared in public to ISIS and Ebola by the U.S. President, was accused of downing a civilian airliner**, and even has American officials publishing fake evidence of Russian troops in the Ukraine.

    War has been declared, and if the 500 million people in the EU can't handle a population of 150 million recovering from the Yeltsin years and predatory Western finance (Putin kicked them out; his real sin), it would probably be for the best if Russian troops returned to Berlin.

    *Georgia hasn't come up in the propaganda for a reason.
    **Obama and crew haven't brought it up, and the official dutch report mentions a plane crash.

    Also, Putin likely means Western Europe can stop being a U.S. vassal or be frozen out of the Shangai Cooperative which includes Russia, China, India, Iran, Pakistan, and non-EU members of the USSR. The U.S. isn't going to fuel Europe any time soon, and most of Europe's governments are weak with major employment problems.

    As for Crimea, the old Ukraine ceased to exist after the coup, and every sane person in the world recognized that Russian defense depends on Crimea. They will never risk losing it.

    Santi, February 15, 2015 at 9:48 am

    The next blog entry (Itargi's) is about being trapped in narrative. After reading it you might feel less so…

    Regarding narratives, I am very much remembered of Cuban missile crisis and subsequent naval blockade by the USA.

    I guess US people should not feel strange if Putin warns aggressively when they get too close to Russia. Negotiations between the IMF and Russia should ensue, I think Poroshenko, Merkel and Hollande are not really useful in the talks. (Tongue in cheek)

    OIFVet, February 15, 2015 at 2:16 pm

    " I think I could see my way clear to allowing a few of our militaristic capabilities a bit closer-in and a bit more "visible" to Putin at this point in time." So you would? I just want to ask, who will pick up the tab and the responsibility for the consequences of your cock-swinging contest with Putin? These policies do not do anything to undermine Putin but they do a lot to destabilize US colonies, or as we colloquially refer to them, "allies". I wrote about the latest such case a few days ago.

    Chaos only benefits American imperial elites, thus chaos is our main export these days. So why in the world would you want to support such non-sense? I doubt that's where Michael Hudson will ever take you but you can bet your bottom dollar that's where the warmongers in DC want to take us.

    participant-observer-observed, February 15, 2015 at 3:56 pm

    Did you watch the video or just read the transcript? Because my viewing didn't lead me to hear Michael's thesis to be about Putin and Russia at all.

    Rather, Hudson is pointing out that once past military interventions, rape, pillage etc. of the brutish, arm-to-arm combat sort, we will still have the spectacle to observe of the economic rape & pillage to contend with. I.e., that the "solutions" on offer (Oligarchic tunnel vision as usual), from all directions, are just more of the same problem-creating dynamic.

    He is essentially elaborating on German Chancellor's point of there being no military solution, and following it to the natural conclusion, which consequence remaining is absurdity showing economic solutions on offer are just a slower and more painful death and suffering than the brutish variety. (It is a logical argument form going back millennia "reduction to the absurd")

    You point out an important issue: Hudson's message is quite subtle, and therefore may be hard for many people to grasp (let alone try like yourself), which is actually quite sad, because somewhere in Ukraine right now some babies are being born to parents who want their kid to live a life not dictated by death and destruction, of the slower or coarser varieties!

    Doug Terpstra, February 15, 2015 at 3:56 pm

    False humility and self-deprecation hardly mask your russophobia. And to your purported honest inquiry with a clever twist of Hudson's arguments: yep, you've got it exactly bass-ackwards (but points scored for creativity in regurgitating all the standard agit-prop behind a mask of feigned curiosity).

    One more time, the Ukrainian coup was US sponsored; the evidence, including recordings, is beyond dispute; all of the evidence of Russian aggression (including the now disappeared flight MH17) that you blithely presume has been demonstrably, repeatedly discredited; there is no evidence of Russian aggression, not in Crimea (peacefully re-admitted) nor anywhere else in Europe. And Hudson's representation of Putin's choice was not an ultimatum for one of two forms of domination as you disingenuisly paraphrased it, but one of mutually beneficial peace or war at only at their unilateral insistence.

    If your inqiry is genuinely honest, start your preschool education at another of today's posts by Ilargi, and if you want to get to the beginning, visit his site.

    Vatch. February 15, 2015 at 4:39 pm

    One more time, the Ukrainian uprising was not U.S. sponsored. The Ukrainian people were sick and tired of a succession of corrupt governments, and they wanted a change. Coups d'état are not characterized by massive crowds numbering in tens or hundreds of thousands. Coups d'état are carried out by small groups, often with the assistance of a country's military. What the U.S. sponsored were some of (or many of) the members of the post-uprising temporary government. This is what was recorded by eavesdropping.

    The seizure of Crimea was mostly peaceful, but it was a military event, nonetheless. In February, 2014, Russian soldiers stationed in Crimean bases illegally left those bases and seized Ukrainian government installations. Of course, the Russians have plausible deniability, because the Russian soldiers were not wearing any insignia that might identify them as Russians; hence their nickname "the Little Green Men". The referendum in March, 2014, was a farce worthy of North Korea: more than 96% in favor of unification with Russia. An honest election would probably still have approved the referendum, but 96%? Give me a break!

    Is Russia still paying for the use of the naval base in Crimea? They're obligated to do so under an international treaty with Ukraine, but of course Russia unilaterally abrogated that treaty:

    The Agreement between Ukraine and Russia on the Black Sea Fleet in Ukraine, widely referred to as the Kharkiv Pact (Ukrainian: Харківський пакт)[1][2] or Kharkiv Accords (Russian: Харьковские соглашения),[3][4][5] was a treaty between Ukraine and Russia whereby the Russian lease on naval facilities in Crimea was extended beyond 2017 until 2042, with an additional five year renewal option in exchange for a multiyear discounted contract to provide Ukraine with Russian natural gas.[6] The agreement, signed on 21 April 2010 in Kharkiv, Ukraine, by Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych and Russian President Dimitry Medvedev and ratified by the parliaments of the two countries on 27 April 2010, aroused much controversy in Ukraine. The treaty was a continuation of a treaty signed in 1997 between the two nations. Shortly after the (disputed) March 2014 accession of Crimea to the Russian Federation,[7] Russia unilateral [sic] terminated the treaty on 31 March 2014.

    OIFVet. February 15, 2015 at 4:59 pm

    "Coups d'état are not characterized by massive crowds numbering in tens or hundreds of thousands." They were used as a cover. It's called "legitimizing the junta", giving it the appearance of "popular" support. Yes, the people were sick and tired of corruption. What they got was another set of corrupt flunkies, this time loyal to the US, who hijacked the Maidan. Your recurring desperate attempts to legitimize the junta by invoking the Maidan only delegitimizes the latter.

    "What the U.S. sponsored were some of (or many of) the members of the post-uprising temporary government." LOL, funny how the US sponsorees and US citizens ended up taking the reigns, and not temporarily either. They must be exceedingly honest and democratic lovers of freedum.

    "Is Russia still paying for the use of the naval base in Crimea?" Inanity, thy name is Vatch. I will play though, so tell me how much is the US paying Cuba for Guantanamo?

    Vatch. February 15, 2015 at 5:08 pm

    Crowds in coups d'état might be used as cover while the overthrow is occurring, or after it has already happened. They do not occur months before the overthrow, which is exactly what happened in Ukraine starting in November, 2013.

    I have no argument with you about the people who have joined the government since the uprising. Obviously the U.S. retains a huge influence.

    I think the U.S. does pay a trivial amount to Cuba for the Guantanamo naval Base under the terms of the treaty. This amount should be renegotiated. Even better, the U.S. should shut it down.

    OIFVet. February 15, 2015 at 5:21 pm

    "They do not occur months before the overthrow…" I know your reading comprehension couldn't possibly be this bad, even if you are a Chicago public school product. The US saw a great opportunity to throw a little coup d'etat and claim that it was the will of the crowds. Hence, my use of the term 'cover'. It really is not that hard to comprehend for anyone with an ounce of objectivity. And since you brought up the Nuland recording, is she some clairvoyant latter day Nostradamus that she foresaw that Yats will be the PM several weeks prior to the coup?

    "I think the U.S. does pay a trivial amount to Cuba for the Guantanamo naval Base under the terms of the treaty." No, it doesn't. Cuba, unlike Ukraine, has a modicum of self-respect and refuses to accept the generous lease payment of $4,000. Also, since when is Russia supposed to pay a lease for anything located on its sovereign territory?

    Ned Ludd. February 15, 2015 at 6:10 pm

    They do not occur months before the overthrow, which is exactly what happened in Ukraine starting in November, 2013.

    Chile, 1973.

    Ned Ludd. February 15, 2015 at 7:28 pm

    The words change, but the music stays the same.

    Earlier this year, we broke the story about USAID co-investing with Omidyar Network in Ukraine NGOs that organized and led the Maidan revolution in Kiev, resulting in the overthrow of President Viktor Yanukovych. […]

    The truth is, USAID's role in a covert ops and subversion should be common knowledge-it's not like the record is that hard to find. Either USAID has developed those Men In Black memory-zappers, or else-maybe we don't want to remember. […]

    After populist left-wing candidate Jean-Bertrand Aristide won the first democratic elections in Haiti in 1990, USAID and the National Endowment for Democracy began pouring funds into opposition groups opposed to Aristide. Noam Chomsky writes:

    "Aid for 'democracy promotion' sharply increased, directed to antigovernment, probusiness groups, mainly through the US Agency for International Development (USAID), also the National Endowment for Democracy and AIFLD (the AFL-CIO affiliate with a notorious antilabor record throughout the Third World). One of the closest observers of Haiti, Amy Wilentz, wrote that USAID's huge 'Democracy Enhancement' project was 'specifically designed to fund those sectors of the Haitian political spectrum where opposition to the Aristide government could be encouraged.'"

    A few months later, in 1991, Aristide was overthrown in a coup.

    Doug Terpstra. February 15, 2015 at 8:07 pm

    Not one but TWO Gallup polls tend to support the legitimacy of the election results in Crimea and there is little evidence of fraud or coercion… at the level suggested by your cogent "gimme a break" innuendo that Crimea is equivalent to North Korea.. This is further corroborated by the manifest peacefulness of the process itself and the year since - little or no unnrest or discontent. This was the overwhelming will of a people in the aftermath of an illegitimate coup, who had for generations prior always been Russian.

    And yes, one more time, what don't you get about "f**k the EU" and "our man Yats", and. "five billion dollars" and the neo-Nazis militantscCain and Pyatt pal around with.

    Steve H.. February 15, 2015 at 9:17 am

    Russia has far too much investment in corrupt European politicians to want a war with Europe (see Gerhard Schröder). The taking of Crimea at U.S. expense (see Nuland) was a strategic opportunity that would have been foolish to disregard. Russia is placing itself in the middleman position for the transport of commodities, the link between Asia and Europe, and has made the point in the past (during the Georgia uprising) that the infrastructure for European needs is tremendously vulnerable.

    Russia without Putin would likely still pursue these goals. The steppes are like the huge big brother at their back, such that there is no existential threat to the existence of Russia. He is making the point that Europe has far more to lose, if necessary Russia can cut them off and turn to Asia.

    Please review this article for insight into the internal processes of Russian governance:
    http://20committee.com/2014/12/27/putins-orthodox-jihad/

    Steve H.. February 15, 2015 at 9:19 am

    (Reply meant for Pearl.)

    Pearl. February 15, 2015 at 12:42 pm

    Thank you so very much, Steve H.!

    I am only a few paragraphs into your link, but it is providing the background and texture for which I wanted and needed to overlay the information in the Michael Hudson interview.

    (I didn't want you to have wait an hour or two for me to thank you -- so I'm going to get back to reading that which you sent. Thanks again, so much.)

    Pearl. February 15, 2015 at 1:57 pm

    Wow. That website to which you linked is amazingly thought-provoking. (Dare I say….addictive!) :-0 I'm hooked. The comments are really interesting, as well.

    It's fascinating to me that we have these two great powers, Russia and the United States; one currently being led by a President who has been been nicknamed "No Drama Obama," and the other country being led by a seemingly 180-degree opposite personality -- an "all drama," or if you will, a "Tooten' Putin."

    Indeed, this in itself would tend to set the stage for some very interesting and very complex geo-politics.

    Have you read much about the (subset?) of Nash Equilibrium/Game Theory that is referred to as "Drama Theory?" I wonder how "Drama Theory" would fit into this conflict. It's older work, but interesting:

    http://www.gametheory.net/News/Items/092.html ("Don't Get Even, Get Mad: When it looks like you just can't win, what's the most rational thing to do? Try going completely crazy," suggests Robert Matthews.)

    Anyway, thanks again for the link.

    OIFVet. February 15, 2015 at 2:06 pm

    "Russia has far too much investment in corrupt European politicians…" Not nearly as much as the US. See all "liberul" Euro politicians both in the East and in the West, eagerly selling their countries' interests for a few silver dollars.

    lolcar. February 15, 2015 at 9:18 am

    Russia's military budget is exceeded by France and the UK alone, let alone the EU as a whole, let alone the entire NATO alliance. Not sure how you get to Russia being in any position to "bully" Europe. Parking a fleet of battleships in Russia's backyard or, more useful in this day and age, a fleet of ballistic missiles on Russia's border would of course in no way be "bullying" because we in the West are such special snowflakes who only engage in violence reluctantly and for the highest of moral purposes.

    NotTimothyGeithner. February 15, 2015 at 10:07 am

    How much goes to the military and how much goes to hookers and blow is a huge deal. The U.S. has captive markets and can force F-35 contracts. The Russian planes need to work to be sold, and they don't have oceans protecting them.

    NATO trained and equipped soldiers haven't been fairing too well without overwhelming air power. See Iraq and Georgia. In the case of Georgia, the ex-President currently hiding out from trial in the now NATO ally here in the U.S. started the hostilities.

    lolcar. February 15, 2015 at 11:17 am

    Actually meant as a reply to Pearl's interpretation of

    "Putin told Europe, look, you have two choices before you. Choice one: Europe, Germany and Russia can be a very prosperous area. With Russia's raw materials and European technology, we can be one of the most prosperous areas in the world. Or, Choice two: You can go to war with us and you can be wiped out"

    as some kind of Russian threat of complete domination of Europe. But of course, you're right -- the actual fighting power per dollar spent may well be a lot lower in the NATO alliance.

    bob. February 15, 2015 at 2:23 pm

    "Georgia, the ex-President currently hiding out from trial in the now NATO ally here in the U.S. started the hostilities."

    The now williamsburg, brooklyn hipster?

    http://news.yahoo.com/georgias-saakashvili-appointed-aide-ukraine-leader-095756606.html

    Leading a line of tanks with his fixie.

    bob. February 15, 2015 at 4:58 pm

    He derives his power from his lime green shoes:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/20/world/europe/mikheil-saakashvili-georgias-ex-president-plots-return-from-williamsburg-brooklyn.html?_r=0

    Pearl. February 15, 2015 at 2:51 pm

    @lolcar regarding your reply to my comment:

    "Not sure how you get to Russia being in any position to "bully" Europe."

    I'm not sure that they are -- I guess I just assumed it was possible because of Russia's nuclear capability and because of Russia's sheer size? I dunno.

    But I really was just trying to have clarified if that is how the two choices given by Putin (per Michael Hudson) were intended to be taken. I really wasn't sure -- and that's why I was asking.

    Btw, and thank you for bringing to my attention, the following information -- which I did not know:

    "Russia's military budget is exceeded by France and the UK alone, let alone the EU as a whole, let alone the entire NATO alliance."

    I really didn't realize that.

    And, btw, I agree that the U.S. is not a special snowflake that does not ever provoke war. Ironically (predictably) the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld misguided invasion of Iraq just made the United States more "hated," less respected, and less trusted. So in a way, it just seems like we have to be more "on guard" now because we're more hated/disrespected/distrusted (understandably) than we were before we (ever-so-thoughtfully) invaded a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 and helped to further destabilize an entire region of the world. It was the gift that keeps on giving, no?

    Anyway, I appreciate your insight. It's difficult to keep up with geo-politics, and I was actually caught fairly off guard as to the Ukraine situation when it all exploded, and I'm trying to catch up in getting a grasp on it.

    (Although, now I'm thinking of giving up on ever being able to grasp it, as my brain seems ready to explode just in scratching the surface here!) :-)

    Pension60. February 15, 2015 at 9:53 am

    The EU is waging war on Russia for parts of eastern Europe that historically were Russian and have Russians living in them. And who cares about bits of the Ukraine, when the EU will starve to death the Ukrainians with the help of the IMF just as they did in Greece.

    At least with Russia, Ukraine people would eat.

    As Gandhi observed, People's Politics Are Their Daily Bread.

    The UK has no EU debt, but starves its poor to such an extent that after the general election in May that the poor will not bother to come out and vote and leave a hung parliament of twiddledee and twiddledum parties, the UN will return to continue its investigation into early deaths and suicides caused by UK's welfare reform.

    There is a way to get rid of the big neo-liberal parties altogether in this UK general election.

    See how on: http://www.anastasia-england.me.uk

    I belong to no political member. I am a voter suffering our political class stuck 1000 years into the past, educated in an ancient feudal mindset of past aristocracy in public schools (elite private schools) and Oxford and Cambridge universities.

    MartyH. February 15, 2015 at 11:00 am

    Michael Hudson graced us at the last NY NC Meet-Up. He's as blunt and brilliant in person. While I am sure his analysis on this is as accurate as is usual for him, I just wonder how the IMF expects to plunder what has already been strip-mined by the oligarchs and the other vultures for the past decade or more. I guess their specialty is extracting blood from stones.

    susan the other. February 15, 2015 at 11:42 am

    I think the objective is political control. It has worked quite well for decades. An impoverished country that is forced to privatize its most valuable resources is being reduced to a political non-entity. It's the sovereignty question all over again.

    cassandra. February 15, 2015 at 1:13 pm

    Au contraire, in some ways, a broken country is ideal for extraction. Privatised assets can be had on the cheap, and with declining living standards, labor costs plunge as well. True, birth rates fall and suicides rise, but managed correctly, the resulting social malaise ensures political docility, and drives those with the intelligence and energy to resist, to emigrate instead. What's not to like? And in Ukraine, there's even more to like. We have farmland (coveted by Cargill et al.), well-known iron ore and coal deposits, and less-frequently discussed strategic metals (guess who's been the worldwide exporter of titanium sponge?). One report on such connections can be found at https://consortiumnews.com/2014/03/16/corporate-interests-behind-ukraine-putsch/, but a targeted internet search uncovers a lot more roaches hiding under these stones. Imposing such an austerity package is, after all, what the IMF is for.

    cassandra. February 15, 2015 at 2:01 pm

    Au contraire, in some ways, a broken country is ideal for extraction. Privatised assets can be had on the cheap, and with declining living standards, labor costs plunge as well. True, birth rates fall and suicides rise, but managed correctly, the resulting social malaise ensures political docility, and drives those with the intelligence and energy to resist, to emigrate instead. What's not to like? And, in Ukraine specifically, there's even more to like: farmland (coveted by Cargill et al.), well-known iron ore and coal deposits, and less-frequently discussed strategic metals (guess who's been the worldwide exporter of titanium sponge?). Previously-resisted fracking becomes possible; check out Burisma Holdings, where Joe Biden's son Hunter plays footsie with Igor Kolomoisky. An excellent report can be found at Corporate Interests Behind Ukraine Putsch . IMF job creation in action.

    bob. February 15, 2015 at 5:24 pm

    That's also probably what pissed Putin off the most, re cargill. They were probably buying food from Ukraine with Roubles, not anymore? I haven't been able to find any numbers that I trust on either russian imports of food, or Ukrainian exports. Even less on the denomination of the trades.

    It's been some time since I looked. Maybe worth another look now.

    Food can really screw with the balance of payments. In this case, russia may now have to cough up dollars for food it might have been buying with roubles. Effectively, a double hit.

    Big deal.

    susan the other. February 15, 2015 at 11:31 am

    Back when Rummy was dismissing the EU as "Old Europe" and pushing all of eastern Europe to join NATO -- that was 2001 -- we were overwhelmed with news from Afghanistan and Iraq. Now that Middle East oil has been secured everything is fine. Oh wait. I must have missed something. As Bremmer cryptically informed us, Ukraine is part of the larger plan. Rummy wanted to call it a crusade -- since those guys fought each other for centuries. But it was tactless so he settled on "Odyssey Dawn." How poetic. Good thing he didn't call it the Siege of Troy. Because the Achilles heel of NATO is -- ta da! -- oil. It is all about oil and NATO doesn't have any. We shouldn't be distracted with idiotic news reports about ISIL. That is until ISIL decides to take the Caspian. Then we will start to see what is really going on. In the meantime we will worm and weasel our way into a position in Ukraine to attack from the north. Maybe.

    NotTimothyGeithner. February 15, 2015 at 12:00 pm

    The goal was never to attack Ukraine or Russia. The goal was to isolate Russia from both China and the EU and the International arms/tech market.

    The U.S. shale and natural gas industry wants to export to Europe, but they aren't close to ready. If Russia develops, they will export, and between Russia and green energy, there goes that plan.

    As far as arms, would a country rather have a pos F-22/35 or a much cheaper S-400. F-35s aren't needed to put down local thugs. They are a tool of shock and awe. Countries not interested in invasion don't need them when cheaper alternatives to air defense exist. The U.S. controls it's hemisphere. We don't invest in air defense, just supremacy. It's a market we just don't compete in.

    Jack. February 15, 2015 at 7:02 pm

    The F-22 isn't a POS. It does exactly what it was designed to do. The problem is that what it was designed to do is largely superfluous, and it's too expensive. We aren't exporting it anyway, and since its chief selling point, the stealth, is almost certainly utterly worthless, potential buyers would be better off buying any of a number of other planes even if we were exporting it. Of course the constant slashing of military budgets as part of austerity means that most of Europe can't even afford their own natively developed alternative, the Eurofighter Typhoon. You're correct though that cheap and effective AA systems mean any air war isn't likely to last long. And Russia would be playing defensive in any conflict. They'd just sit back and snipe the skies clear.

    skippy. February 15, 2015 at 7:54 pm

    Starwars all over again…

    susan the other. February 15, 2015 at 11:52 am

    Hudson's new book sounds great. "Killing the Host: How Financial Parasites and Debt Bondage Destroyed the Global Economy." Excerpts please, lots of them.

    susan the other. February 15, 2015 at 11:57 am

    I hope there is a long chapter in it about the mind-boggling expenses of today's modern military.

    Chief Bromden. February 15, 2015 at 12:55 pm

    "Shock Doctrine" is alive and well… and I thought for sure Ukraine was another U.S. humanitarian exercise.

    "By encouraging reforms such as the deregulation of seed and fertiliser markets, the country's agricultural sector is being forced open to foreign corporations such as Dupont and Monsanto.
    The Bank's activities and its loan and reform programmes in Ukraine seem to be working toward the expansion of large industrial holdings in Ukrainian agriculture owned by foreign entities."

    http://www.ipsnews.net/2014/08/what-do-the-world-bank-and-imf-have-to-do-with-the-ukraine-conflict/

    Jim Haygood. February 15, 2015 at 1:18 pm

    Time limitations may have precluded Michael Hudson from mentioning Ukraine's devaluation of the hyrvnia. WSJ, Aug. 2014:

    '[In late April] the IMF said Ukraine might need to inject the equivalent of 5% of the country's gross domestic product, roughly $6 billion, into its banks to stabilize the financial sector if the exchange rate rose above 12.5 hryvnia to the dollar.'

    http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2014/08/12/ukraines-currency-drop-may-swell-emergency-bailout-needs/

    Bloomberg, Feb. 2015:

    'Ukraine's foreign-debt costs ballooned after the central bank let the hryvnia depreciate by 31 percent on Feb. 5 to bring the exchange rate closer to black-market levels [of around 24 hryvnia per dollar], a move backed by the IMF.'

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-09/ukraine-talks-no-cause-for-market-optimism-east-europe-credit

    Classically, IMF programs urged devaluation to boost export competitiveness. Last April the IMF said a hryvnia exchange rate below 12.5 would weaken the banks; now it's about 26.3 hryvnia per dollar.

    Ukraine FinMin Natalie Jaresko seems to be 'letting the hryvnia slide' to get in the IMF's good graces for the next tranche, even as the prospects for defaulting on foreign currency debt rise. This suggests a modified version of Michael Hudson's IMF modus operandi:

    'Don't pay your bondholders, so that you're now in selective default to them and owing us, the IMF, to whom you can't write down debts. '

    gordon. February 15, 2015 at 7:53 pm

    There is a very simple solution to the problems of the Ukraine, one that should be familiar to any European statesperson: partition.

    I'm thinking a 3-way division between Russia, Germany and the US (which would act as the representative of Monsanto, Cargill and the other agribusiness giants). I'm sure the OSCE could form the basis for a Partition Commission which could meet (maybe in Vienna, for historical reasons) to supervise the negotiations over boundaries and set up an agreed framework for investment in the ex-Ukrainian territories and the marketing of their products. A continuing Commission of the Partitioning Powers might be required to oversee and if necessary adjust the operation of such arrangements. Obviously, no Ukrainian representatives would be required for this work. I think the partition should be complete, ie. there should be no remaining independent "Ukrainian" territory, because this would only be a platform for tiresome and destabilising Ukrainian irredentism.

    Such a solution along good old 18th Century lines would leave only the problem of outstanding Ukrainian debts. Perhaps the best solution here would be the formation of an international Sinking Fund to which workers in ex-Ukrainian territories would be required to contribute a proportion of their earnings. Setting up such a Fund could be another part of the work of the continuing Commission.

    I'm sure there's much more to be said about partition arrangements once people get their heads around the basic idea and realise that moving Back To The Future in this way offers the best hope for a peaceful solution to the Ukrainian problem. After all, the problem is not new; it is a problem that has confronted European powers many times in the past and has often been solved in this way. Ask any Pole.

  • The Lessons of the North Atlantic Crisis for Economic Theory and Policy by Joseph E. Stiglitz

    "...But even as the economy deleverages, there is every reason to believe that it will not return to full employment."
    May 3, 3013 | imf.org

    Markets are not stable, efficient, or self-correcting

    Economies are not self-correcting.

    More than deleveraging, more than a balance sheet crisis: the need for structural transformation

    But even as the economy deleverages, there is every reason to believe that it will not return to full employment.

    But the fact that things have often gone badly in the aftermath of a financial crisis doesn't mean they must go badly.

    reforms undertaken so far have only tinkered at the edges.

    the crisis has brought home the importance of financial regulation for macroeconomic stability.

    But a focus on the provision of credit has neither been at the center of policy discourse nor of the standard macro-models. We have to shift our focus from money to credit.

    Distribution matters as well-distribution among individuals, between households and firms, among households, and among firms. Traditionally, macroeconomics focused on certain aggregates, such as the average ratio of leverage to GDP. But that and other verage numbers often don't give a picture of the vulnerability of the economy. In the case of the financial crisis, such numbers didn't give us warning signs. Yet it was the fact that a large number of people at the bottom couldn't make their debt payments that should have tipped us off that something was wrong. Across the board, our models need to incorporate a greater understanding of heterogeneity and its implications for economic stability.

    Should monetary policy focus just on short term interest rates? No!

    There has to be coordination across all the issues and among all the instruments that are at our disposal. There needs to be close coordination between monetary and fiscal policy.

    And as daunting as the economic problems we now face are, acknowledging this will allow us to take advantage of the one big opportunity this period of economic trauma has afforded: namely, the chance to revolutionize our flawed models, and perhaps even exit from an interminable cycle of crises.

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